I would argue it is basically impossible to use “tough love” with a stranger. If you do not have a pre-existing strong relationship with someone your “tough love” will only ever appear to them as uncharitable criticism and runs the real risk of being self-righteousness for you. A parent can give tough love, a spouse can give tough love, a close friend can give tough love. A digital communication with a stranger can never be tough love.
I am going to say yes with what you spoke words. Tough love my siblings, rarely , most of my family uses tough love on me. That I could ever remember. Not a year has gone by that they don't use tough love on my butt and mind. Almost kick my butt. But they do kick my mind. With their hurting emotionally , spiritual words. They don't know they hurt me. But I take it in. It doesn't work because I become angry and hold resenting vengeance filled grudge against them. I forgive them all in Christ. Amen it's hard to realize myself that tough love don't work when someone's sad and unmotivated and depressed for whatever and happy. Tough love would work for someone's who's deeply immoral and evil in some moments for some human individuals. I guess we all simply need to ask Christ for this gift of love for him. And I can only see tough love being used applied as I said in evil people, and when your children are abusing each other physically and with words. Hitting each other. As consistently as I don't see knives and blood I wouldn't need to hit anyone. But use my voice which they should become fearing and respecting of because when know they're doing some word action wrong bad evil then they know to feel judged. But when it's done good on their actions words. Then tough love isn't necessary. That's why a lack of Christianity's does lack everything good..and everyone uses harsh words and emotions and facial expressions for every day constantly life. Sadly
Tough love can be necessary, but too often, people use it as an excuse to be rude, and a jerk. All too often it is an excuse to be judgmental. It’s an excuse to empower ones ego, and to be confrontational, while cloaking it behind a faux sense of righteousness. When it is used in that negative way, it is classless, and counterproductive.
Many people don’t know what love really is, if they’re looking at the world as a standard for truth. The Bible makes it really clear what love is: “Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.”
@@Treebeard32 that was true 7-10 years ago, but after the MAGA movement, the right fought back, which was good at first, but now they are just as bad as the left. Now people either cancel everyone they can, for the slightest thing, or people are as rude as they can be and say “I am just brutally honest”, no, you’re a jerk. Neither side is doing themselves or anyone else any good with such attitudes.
My fathers “though love” is what pushed my brother and I away from the church. I returned, not because of it, but despite. I still pray everyday my brother finds his way back soon as well, but he’s hurt. It’s shameful
I am saddened your brother has left the church because of your father's tough love. I suppose telling my two younger siblings "they'll go to hell on earth if they don't change their attitude" made them feel worse of themselves. I don't know if I should regret that as if I could anything at all which I can't. But I did learn that I should speak more positively because of how much constant negativity everyone talks to each other each moment of their life to one another.
@@IsraelCountryCubelet’s examine this statement: what has led to more apostasy in recent times a) the fiery hell and brimestone message or b) the cuddly and fussy “God loves you regardless of who or what you are”. I will posit that the later has been more destructive for the body of Christ. Now we have people who only want to hear messages that tickle their ears. No decorum, piety or conduct in the manner that befits a believer. Only a laissez-faire, anything-goes attitude. While I agree that there should be a healthy balance of both, I still lean more on the side of tough love.
The Bible makes it really clear what love is: “Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.”
This is one of the reasons that Jimmy Akin is one of our favorite apologists. Not only is he brilliant and willing to face formidable objections to Theism seriously, but he always does so in a very charitable and careful spirit aimed toward truth. In the few times I've had the opportunity to correspond with Jimmy, he's always been very civil, and I get the sense that he's genuinely interested in what I have to say (I would put Trent Horn in this category, too) and actually sees the dignity of not only the argument, but the person behind it. I wish more apologists would model the approach of Jimmy and Trent Horn in terms of their engagement with non-believers.
I loved this, he put into words what I’ve been thinking and trying to say for years. My ex husband used to sneer at his siblings’ faith and choices and talk down to them for believing differently than him. I used to tell him that before he tries to correct them or have any say in their lives he first needed to show them he even loved and cared about them or they would never listen to a single thing he had to say. He never did, and then he cheated and abandoned me and our two baby girls.
You seem to love yelling how much of a "single mom " you are. Single moms are bad... That you're single is counter productive.. just find another man then not sure what you did wrong mabey no sex not a competent wife. Whatever it was I don't know but clearly you must stop playing the victim and plead to Christ another husband then or get back with the infidel who isn't loyal to you. You got options, decisions to decide on those options.
Of course he should have loved his siblings, if he didn't love them why did you think he would've loved you? My father sounds similar to your husband. Love is the answer in all human.relationships . Christ love..without Christ everyone will sneer at everyone. And become single mothers and single fathers.
@@IsraelCountryCube He didn’t act like that with them until after we were married. They were older than him so he didn’t have much of a relationship with them, and they hadn’t gotten serious in their faith til around then. He became very self righteous and thought they should listen to what he thought was right. There was a lot going on, but I know now that it was just one symptom of how his heart was growing colder to me as well as to others and to God.
Being honest doesn't mean you need to be harsh. Whether its sin, lack of ambition, health, it can be delivered honestly & with the care. If you're sure in your belief it will come across.
What an amazing line: "...snark is principally for in-house consumption" So many people in internet politics make sarcastic & condescending remarks all the time as though they're super funny and original for doing it. It gets really obnoxious really quickly.
People who are snarky when speaking with people of different beliefs are more concerned with "spittin' facts" or "reking" the person they are speaking with than genuine communication.
My parents are Italian immigrants and tough love is what I mostly got and then I joined the Army and I got more. I left the Catholic Church when I was 15 when i was prostylitized by Protestants showing me verses from the Bible. When i went home and told my parents and other Catholics what I had discovered, none of them cpupd defend Catholicism. So I was an Evangelical Protestant for 38 years. A year and 6 months ago, I came back to the Catholic Church. It started with my dissollusionment of Christian division and the fetish Evangelicals have with Jews and then I saw a trailor of the Padre Pio movienon UA-cam. The UA-cam algorithm then feeds you more similar things and for the first time in my life i began to listen to Catholic apologetics and i was blown away. Within 2 months ibwas back to the Catholic Church but now, when I meet obnoxious Protestants i have very little patience with them. Im good at convincing Catholics to stay Catholic but bad at convincing Protestants to become Protestant.
Ya this is honestly something I keep praying to be better at. Years of listening to atheists condescendingly and dishonestly spouting the most incoherent nonsense imaginable has made me quite jaded and makes approaching them kindly very difficult
Most atheists I talk to aren't interested in a discussion, they want to argue with me and show me to be a fool to vindicate their poor reasoning and lack of research. Nevertheless, I still hope to eventually find one who really is interested in and capable of seeing the truth. Otherwise, I try to see it as a wit-sharpening exercise and have some fun with them.
"Snark" or "gotchas" wins when preaching to the a crowd, but more often changing a heart abt Faith reqires openness, listening & thoughfulness to let the other know you respect them as people. If they attack you, you need to be firm. But insulting them is more for ourself than their good.
"Tough love" is a complete and utter oxymoron. "Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. Love never fails."
My parents used tough love as a primary resort…ended up messing me up mentally and spiritually 😭 I don’t think they were ever tender and affectionate as a primary resort 🤔
Actual tough love has a fairly limited usefulness in parenting, yes, but most of the time when I've personally seen the phrase "tough love" used in the context of parenting, it was used to refer to standard and appropriate punishment for disobedience. Fortunately, there shouldn't be any such confusion here, since Jimmy gave a good example of actual tough love.
You're right. Tough love was the norm before the '60s. The 60s was the beginning of the end for tough love. Tough love was replaced with hippie. Love aka "do whatever you want"
We don’t need more spoiled children who don’t know what their gender is or can’t figure basic things like living within their means. There’s a way to love your children without spoiling them, look at Jesus as an example.
Actually the priests were always gentle when I was looking for God, they genuinely wanted to know me and what I carried with me. It felt as a seeker natural to me to share these things with a priest. Today its been Almost 2 years since my reception in the Church. I try that approach in my daily life in non christians. Loving people means to get to know them, as God knows us and perfectly knowing produces perfect Love.
Kruschev didn't actually take off his shoe. He had his assistant carrying an extra shoe. At a special signal, the assistant handed the shoe to Kruschev in a surreptitious manner. Kruschev wanted to make a point in a fierce, dramatic way and establish an over-the-top persona that people would fear.
Idk. Read the Acts of the Apostles and the epistles. I would venture to say that the way the Apostles communicate is pretty tough. I mean Paul calls a magician an enemy of all righteousness. Imagine if one of our apologists said something like this. 😂
Not to mention he was filled with the Holy Spirit when he said so lol. Couple that with Christ's tough love w Peter (Mark 8:33) and his disciples (Matthew 17:17) Id say tough love has a great support here 😹
David Wood is very effective against Muslims by being polemical. It is necessary since Islam views itself as a conquering superior mindset. It does have its cultural application.
This so needs to be known in the prolife community as well. Gentle sidewalk counseling? Very effective. Bull horn "tough love"? Drives people into the abortionist FASTER. Method matters.
Better is open rebuke than hidden love. Proverbs 27:5 Whoever rebukes a man will afterwards find more favor than he who flatters with his tongue. Proverb 28:23
Except you know, Martin Luther, John Calvin, John Wesley, etc. I certainly disagree with their beleifs, but this JHN quote is overused. Some protestants read the church fathers and are knowledgeable of church history. I conceed that the vast majority aren't knowledgeable on the bible, let alone chuch history. Still, speaking as a protestant, if you want to convert us, you'll need to not just show us the fathers but convince us of papal infalliblity, apostolic succession, and doctrinal development.
There is explicitly a reason for tough love in only two circumstances. Those misusing authority and those with too much of a hardened heart. When somebody is humble and honest with themselves, that's when we give them the most grace. But when somebody is prideful and arrogant, tough love is used to forcefully humble them. Jordan Peterson mentioned something about force against psychopathic tendencies. It's also really used in the Old Testament
How can the precepts of Calvinism, if internalized, not lead to a condescending attitude? What's the point of being patient with anyone when everyone is "totally depraved" and predestined?
We need to tell people the truth. Not long ago I realised Jesus Christ is the passage from earth to heaven. Because He established a new covenant with His blood for the remission of sin, no one goes to heaven without passing by Jesus Christ. New covenant mentioned in Jeremiah 31 Hebrews 8 and 10. But also in Isaiah God said behold I will come to make new heavens and new earth. God came to create again. We are called to live in communion whith God, by living in communion whith God we become a new creation. The old creation was corrupted by satan through Adam and eve. God as been trying to fixed this for a long time. The church needs to find a way to teach the truth to people. Going around, love, mercy, people won't understand anything.
I have my doubts about the whole apologetics enterprise. It might have some use in interacting believers with doubts, but not athiests.. All the classic theologians Catholic, Orthodox and Protestant taught the natural knowledge of God. While, of course we should be loving toward all out neighbors, all athiests are liars because they actually believe in God, but they just hate Him.
Jesus isn't the only one in the bible that is harsh with his words. We also see the first martyr Steven do the same. Paul seems to be attacked on the regular. I'm not sure you have really supported your argument well. I'm not saying you are wrong but you need to do more work to show this is how the apostles shared the gospel. Or if it wasn't you need to support why we should share the gospel differently to the apostles.
You are right, of course, we must start off with honey and not slap people upside the head before they even enter the Church, but that is all we ever do. Once the new convert enters into the Church it is a very short period of time before they realize we no longer know who we are.@@Fassnight
Something really important is on the line, and it's a desperate "last-resort" situation... Sounds exactly like the society we live in. It seems like Jimmy is trying to win the person to himself rather than Christ. The focus is very much on "this person has to like me personally to accept this". I don't think that's right - I think that approach will gain you nothing with people who are receptive to the gospel, and it only makes you a doormat with people who hate God. The seed is either going to land on the rocks or on soil, and it's not really up to you. Certainly nobody ought to be gratuitously mean or callous, but we also shouldn't be cloyingly "winsome".
Sad to see parents allowing their child/children grow undisipline because they are hesitant to implement tough love for tougher situation in order for young people to be responsible! some parents are weirdly nice to the point that their children are abusing them... these parents are actually killing the parental traditions/cultures and forgetting the real application of values! that's why young generation is roaming around life less aware of the right direction...
I would argue it is basically impossible to use “tough love” with a stranger. If you do not have a pre-existing strong relationship with someone your “tough love” will only ever appear to them as uncharitable criticism and runs the real risk of being self-righteousness for you. A parent can give tough love, a spouse can give tough love, a close friend can give tough love. A digital communication with a stranger can never be tough love.
I am going to say yes with what you spoke words. Tough love my siblings, rarely , most of my family uses tough love on me. That I could ever remember. Not a year has gone by that they don't use tough love on my butt and mind. Almost kick my butt. But they do kick my mind. With their hurting emotionally , spiritual words. They don't know they hurt me. But I take it in. It doesn't work because I become angry and hold resenting vengeance filled grudge against them. I forgive them all in Christ. Amen it's hard to realize myself that tough love don't work when someone's sad and unmotivated and depressed for whatever and happy. Tough love would work for someone's who's deeply immoral and evil in some moments for some human individuals. I guess we all simply need to ask Christ for this gift of love for him. And I can only see tough love being used applied as I said in evil people, and when your children are abusing each other physically and with words. Hitting each other. As consistently as I don't see knives and blood I wouldn't need to hit anyone. But use my voice which they should become fearing and respecting of because when know they're doing some word action wrong bad evil then they know to feel judged. But when it's done good on their actions words. Then tough love isn't necessary. That's why a lack of Christianity's does lack everything good..and everyone uses harsh words and emotions and facial expressions for every day constantly life. Sadly
Tough love can be necessary, but too often, people use it as an excuse to be rude, and a jerk. All too often it is an excuse to be judgmental. It’s an excuse to empower ones ego, and to be confrontational, while cloaking it behind a faux sense of righteousness. When it is used in that negative way, it is classless, and counterproductive.
Many people don’t know what love really is, if they’re looking at the world as a standard for truth.
The Bible makes it really clear what love is: “Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.”
That was true 20 or 30 years ago, but today people are afraid to say anything for fear of repercussions, such as being identified as classless.
@@Treebeard32 that was true 7-10 years ago, but after the MAGA movement, the right fought back, which was good at first, but now they are just as bad as the left. Now people either cancel everyone they can, for the slightest thing, or people are as rude as they can be and say “I am just brutally honest”, no, you’re a jerk. Neither side is doing themselves or anyone else any good with such attitudes.
Very well put. God bless.
Jimmy Akin is one of the calmest people I have seen. A gentle and wise man.
If your brutal honesty focuses more on brutality than honesty, you're doing it wrong
Wise
Beautiful living loving words
Eh
It's great that Jimmy also delved into the history of the term 'tough love.' Gives us a lot of nuance and context
Indeed. Sir this does explain it goodd
My fathers “though love” is what pushed my brother and I away from the church. I returned, not because of it, but despite. I still pray everyday my brother finds his way back soon as well, but he’s hurt. It’s shameful
I am saddened your brother has left the church because of your father's tough love. I suppose telling my two younger siblings "they'll go to hell on earth if they don't change their attitude" made them feel worse of themselves. I don't know if I should regret that as if I could anything at all which I can't. But I did learn that I should speak more positively because of how much constant negativity everyone talks to each other each moment of their life to one another.
@@IsraelCountryCubelet’s examine this statement: what has led to more apostasy in recent times a) the fiery hell and brimestone message or b) the cuddly and fussy “God loves you regardless of who or what you are”.
I will posit that the later has been more destructive for the body of Christ. Now we have people who only want to hear messages that tickle their ears. No decorum, piety or conduct in the manner that befits a believer. Only a laissez-faire, anything-goes attitude.
While I agree that there should be a healthy balance of both, I still lean more on the side of tough love.
The Bible makes it really clear what love is: “Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.”
How easily we forget this. God bless you.
@@GringoXavierare you a xavier but gring! Wow
This is one of the reasons that Jimmy Akin is one of our favorite apologists. Not only is he brilliant and willing to face formidable objections to Theism seriously, but he always does so in a very charitable and careful spirit aimed toward truth. In the few times I've had the opportunity to correspond with Jimmy, he's always been very civil, and I get the sense that he's genuinely interested in what I have to say (I would put Trent Horn in this category, too) and actually sees the dignity of not only the argument, but the person behind it. I wish more apologists would model the approach of Jimmy and Trent Horn in terms of their engagement with non-believers.
Jimmy is far and away my favorite Catholic apologist!
Jimmy is preaching it without explicitly saying its name...mercy. Well done.
What a blessing to hear this talked about on a big stage.. it breaks my heart to hear how some parents talk to their kids
I loved this, he put into words what I’ve been thinking and trying to say for years. My ex husband used to sneer at his siblings’ faith and choices and talk down to them for believing differently than him. I used to tell him that before he tries to correct them or have any say in their lives he first needed to show them he even loved and cared about them or they would never listen to a single thing he had to say. He never did, and then he cheated and abandoned me and our two baby girls.
You seem to love yelling how much of a "single mom " you are. Single moms are bad... That you're single is counter productive.. just find another man then not sure what you did wrong mabey no sex not a competent wife. Whatever it was I don't know but clearly you must stop playing the victim and plead to Christ another husband then or get back with the infidel who isn't loyal to you. You got options, decisions to decide on those options.
Of course he should have loved his siblings, if he didn't love them why did you think he would've loved you? My father sounds similar to your husband. Love is the answer in all human.relationships . Christ love..without Christ everyone will sneer at everyone. And become single mothers and single fathers.
@@IsraelCountryCube He didn’t act like that with them until after we were married. They were older than him so he didn’t have much of a relationship with them, and they hadn’t gotten serious in their faith til around then. He became very self righteous and thought they should listen to what he thought was right. There was a lot going on, but I know now that it was just one symptom of how his heart was growing colder to me as well as to others and to God.
Being honest doesn't mean you need to be harsh. Whether its sin, lack of ambition, health, it can be delivered honestly & with the care. If you're sure in your belief it will come across.
What an amazing line:
"...snark is principally for in-house consumption"
So many people in internet politics make sarcastic & condescending remarks all the time as though they're super funny and original for doing it. It gets really obnoxious really quickly.
People who are snarky when speaking with people of different beliefs are more concerned with "spittin' facts" or "reking" the person they are speaking with than genuine communication.
This was a wonderful take. Thank you, Jimmy!
Jimmy Akin is spot on with James White's channel
My parents are Italian immigrants and tough love is what I mostly got and then I joined the Army and I got more. I left the Catholic Church when I was 15 when i was prostylitized by Protestants showing me verses from the Bible. When i went home and told my parents and other Catholics what I had discovered, none of them cpupd defend Catholicism. So I was an Evangelical Protestant for 38 years. A year and 6 months ago, I came back to the Catholic Church. It started with my dissollusionment of Christian division and the fetish Evangelicals have with Jews and then I saw a trailor of the Padre Pio movienon UA-cam. The UA-cam algorithm then feeds you more similar things and for the first time in my life i began to listen to Catholic apologetics and i was blown away. Within 2 months ibwas back to the Catholic Church but now, when I meet obnoxious Protestants i have very little patience with them. Im good at convincing Catholics to stay Catholic but bad at convincing Protestants to become Protestant.
Necesito story happy ending
Same issue as you here. Still working on it
@@grunt9950 let God work
Ya this is honestly something I keep praying to be better at. Years of listening to atheists condescendingly and dishonestly spouting the most incoherent nonsense imaginable has made me quite jaded and makes approaching them kindly very difficult
I think being able to discern what parh to take in a discussion is key.
Jimmy never disappoints.
Jimmy is the best!
Jimmy Akin gets it
Most atheists I talk to aren't interested in a discussion, they want to argue with me and show me to be a fool to vindicate their poor reasoning and lack of research. Nevertheless, I still hope to eventually find one who really is interested in and capable of seeing the truth. Otherwise, I try to see it as a wit-sharpening exercise and have some fun with them.
Hehe, this is for the other debate as well.
God bless sirs Jimmy and Matt.
"Snark" or "gotchas" wins when preaching to the a crowd, but more often changing a heart abt Faith reqires openness, listening & thoughfulness to let the other know you respect them as people. If they attack you, you need to be firm. But insulting them is more for ourself than their good.
Jimmy Akins you are as wise and kind!
"Tough love" is a complete and utter oxymoron.
"Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. Love never fails."
Jesus telling Peter, "Get thee behind me Satan." was tough love on His part.
@@gerry30 Or simply a rebuke.
@@hellebartelsen8208 A rebuke is tough love and beyond that, it's one of the spiritual works of mercy. Woe to you scribes and pharisees.
My parents used tough love as a primary resort…ended up messing me up mentally and spiritually 😭
I don’t think they were ever tender and affectionate as a primary resort 🤔
Actual tough love has a fairly limited usefulness in parenting, yes, but most of the time when I've personally seen the phrase "tough love" used in the context of parenting, it was used to refer to standard and appropriate punishment for disobedience. Fortunately, there shouldn't be any such confusion here, since Jimmy gave a good example of actual tough love.
Love is Justice and justice is love it truly saves those who understand GOD THE TRINITY AMEN 🙏
I’ve noticed on the whole the apologetics world has taken a very…WWE tone in recent years😂😂😂
To your point, that’s why I like people like James White and John MacArthur so much. They call out the papacy for what it is - a den of vipers
Webster says tough love was first used in 1968 thats crazy i thought it was older than that
You're right. Tough love was the norm before the '60s. The 60s was the beginning of the end for tough love. Tough love was replaced with hippie. Love aka "do whatever you want"
"spare the rod, spoil the child" is a lot older than a few decades.
We don’t need more spoiled children who don’t know what their gender is or can’t figure basic things like living within their means.
There’s a way to love your children without spoiling them, look at Jesus as an example.
People so often think "I'm doing tough love," but they're being jerks. It drives people AWAY from God.
Is "get behind me Satan" tough love?
Actually the priests were always gentle when I was looking for God, they genuinely wanted to know me and what I carried with me. It felt as a seeker natural to me to share these things with a priest. Today its been Almost 2 years since my reception in the Church. I try that approach in my daily life in non christians. Loving people means to get to know them, as God knows us and perfectly knowing produces perfect Love.
Matt, WHEN are you going to post the discussion with Gabriel ??? There are a LOT of his subscribers who are biting at the bit!! Waiting patiently.....
Kruschev didn't actually take off his shoe. He had his assistant carrying an extra shoe. At a special signal, the assistant handed the shoe to Kruschev in a surreptitious manner. Kruschev wanted to make a point in a fierce, dramatic way and establish an over-the-top persona that people would fear.
Really? I’ve never heard of this before. Where did you hear this from?
Idk. Read the Acts of the Apostles and the epistles. I would venture to say that the way the Apostles communicate is pretty tough. I mean Paul calls a magician an enemy of all righteousness. Imagine if one of our apologists said something like this. 😂
Not to mention he was filled with the Holy Spirit when he said so lol. Couple that with Christ's tough love w Peter (Mark 8:33) and his disciples (Matthew 17:17) Id say tough love has a great support here 😹
@yepyep5006 It's really all over the NT and I would say that our approach (placating) is not found anywhere in the NT.
21st century debates are very different from 1st century religious conversations
I think what it means is that when it gets personal, it stays personal rather than venturing back into a debate on the topic.
David Wood is very effective against Muslims by being polemical. It is necessary since Islam views itself as a conquering superior mindset. It does have its cultural application.
This so needs to be known in the prolife community as well. Gentle sidewalk counseling? Very effective. Bull horn "tough love"? Drives people into the abortionist FASTER. Method matters.
You can attract more flies with Honey than with Vinegar...
But you can attract a whole lot of flies with a pile of 💩.
Better is open rebuke
than hidden love.
Proverbs 27:5
Whoever rebukes a man will afterwards find more favor than he who flatters with his tongue.
Proverb 28:23
Gotta say I’ve seen tough love work many many times with David Wood, Christian Prince, and Sam Shamoun
Yes, though I would chalk that up to understanding the culture and communication strategies to use.
So many situations in life, we must use honey!!! Not just in apologetics.
The pre-debate has begun. Already poisoning the well.
8:06 starwars reference
In house consumption...like when St John Henry Newman said a student of history ceases to be protestant
Except you know, Martin Luther, John Calvin, John Wesley, etc. I certainly disagree with their beleifs, but this JHN quote is overused. Some protestants read the church fathers and are knowledgeable of church history. I conceed that the vast majority aren't knowledgeable on the bible, let alone chuch history. Still, speaking as a protestant, if you want to convert us, you'll need to not just show us the fathers but convince us of papal infalliblity, apostolic succession, and doctrinal development.
To be fair, Jesus used both.
True, but Jesus is different than us in His authority to judge
And he was toughest with the religious authorities, who in theory should know better. To whom much is given much is required
There is explicitly a reason for tough love in only two circumstances. Those misusing authority and those with too much of a hardened heart. When somebody is humble and honest with themselves, that's when we give them the most grace. But when somebody is prideful and arrogant, tough love is used to forcefully humble them. Jordan Peterson mentioned something about force against psychopathic tendencies. It's also really used in the Old Testament
Well said.
Uses. Present tense.
How can the precepts of Calvinism, if internalized, not lead to a condescending attitude?
What's the point of being patient with anyone when everyone is "totally depraved" and predestined?
Jesus used tough love quite often. So for thinking people of course, that means a good kind of tough love, not the misuse of tough love.
James did not like the fact that his sister converted to Roman Catholicism.
There's a time and place for the nuclear option... but it's still the NUCLEAR option, and should be seen as such
Didn't this guy's mama ever tell him not to wear his hat indoors?
We need to tell people the truth.
Not long ago I realised Jesus Christ is the passage from earth to heaven.
Because He established a new covenant with His blood for the remission of sin, no one goes to heaven without passing by Jesus Christ.
New covenant mentioned in Jeremiah 31
Hebrews 8 and 10.
But also in Isaiah God said behold I will come to make new heavens and new earth.
God came to create again.
We are called to live in communion whith God, by living in communion whith God we become a new creation.
The old creation was corrupted by satan through Adam and eve.
God as been trying to fixed this for a long time.
The church needs to find a way to teach the truth to people.
Going around, love, mercy, people won't understand anything.
I have my doubts about the whole apologetics enterprise. It might have some use in interacting believers with doubts, but not athiests.. All the classic theologians Catholic, Orthodox and Protestant taught the natural knowledge of God. While, of course we should be loving toward all out neighbors, all athiests are liars because they actually believe in God, but they just hate Him.
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Jesus isn't the only one in the bible that is harsh with his words. We also see the first martyr Steven do the same. Paul seems to be attacked on the regular. I'm not sure you have really supported your argument well. I'm not saying you are wrong but you need to do more work to show this is how the apostles shared the gospel. Or if it wasn't you need to support why we should share the gospel differently to the apostles.
I agree
Didn’t St Francis of Assisi say, “Preach the Gospel at all times. Use words if necessary”
That’s actually misquoted to him, Trent Horn did a video about that a while back
Smearing honey on a cross isn't going to convince anyone to get on it.
No, but if we aren't patient and kind then we have nothing
You are right, of course, we must start off with honey and not slap people upside the head before they even enter the Church, but that is all we ever do. Once the new convert enters into the Church it is a very short period of time before they realize we no longer know who we are.@@Fassnight
I'm using vinegar, I don't care what you say
Something really important is on the line, and it's a desperate "last-resort" situation... Sounds exactly like the society we live in.
It seems like Jimmy is trying to win the person to himself rather than Christ. The focus is very much on "this person has to like me personally to accept this". I don't think that's right - I think that approach will gain you nothing with people who are receptive to the gospel, and it only makes you a doormat with people who hate God. The seed is either going to land on the rocks or on soil, and it's not really up to you.
Certainly nobody ought to be gratuitously mean or callous, but we also shouldn't be cloyingly "winsome".
James White's biggest flaw in apologetics is that he's in the wrong religion.
Who is he? Why do you say he is in the wrong religion? Which one does he more closely align with?
@@toeknee5565he’s an anti-Thomist Calvinist.
@@bradleymarshall5489 yikes
@@toeknee5565 ya I’m Protestant myself and I can’t stand him. There’s even a good number of reformed who can’t either
Akin is spot on, in every debate White is talking down to his opponents, even if he may have a decent argument it is ruined by his obnoxious behavior.
Bring George FARMER.
he’s been on the show before
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Sad to see parents allowing their child/children grow undisipline because they are hesitant to implement tough love for tougher situation in order for young people to be responsible! some parents are weirdly nice to the point that their children are abusing them... these parents are actually killing the parental traditions/cultures and forgetting the real application of values! that's why young generation is roaming around life less aware of the right direction...