Slavoj Žižek & Sean Carroll: Quantum Physics, the Multiverse, and Time Travel | RP
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- Опубліковано 5 чер 2024
- Slavoj Žižek is international director of the Birkbeck Institute for the Humanities at the University of London, visiting professor at New York University, and a senior researcher at the University of Ljubljana’s Department of Philosophy. He was also the guest for Robinson’s Podcast #109 on psychoanalysis, wokeness, racism, and a hundred other topics. Sean Carroll is Homewood Professor of Natural Philosophy at Johns Hopkins University and fractal faculty at the Santa Fe Institute. He is also host of Sean Carroll’s Mindscape, a terrific show (that influenced the birth of Robinson’s Podcast) about science, society, philosophy, culture, arts, and ideas. Sean was one of the guests-along with David Albert of Columbia-on Robinson’s Podcast #106, which covers the Many-Worlds theory of quantum mechanics, entropy and Boltzmann Brains, and the fine-tuned universe. In this episode, Robinson, Sean, and Slavoj (though mostly Sean and Slavoj) talk about quantum mechanics, the indeterminacy of small-scale reality, cosmology and the big bang, major figures like Niels Bohr, Einstein, and Stephen Hawking, and the world of sci-fi, including movies like Everything Everywhere All at Once, Indian Jones, and the Avengers. If you’re interested in the foundations of physics-which you absolutely should be-then please check out the John Bell Institute (Sean is an Honorary Fellow at the JBI), which is devoted to providing a home for research and education in this important area. At this early stage any donations are immensely helpful.
Robinson's Podcast #109 | Slavoj Žižek: Wokeness, Psychoanalysis, and Quantum Mechanics: • Slavoj Žižek: Wokeness...
Robinson’s Podcast #106 | David Albert & Sean Carroll: Quantum Theory, Boltzmann Brains, & The Fine-Tuned Universe: • David Albert & Sean Ca...
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00:00 In This Episode…
00:38 Introduction
04:40 Quantum Incompleteness
15:56 A Problem with Many-Worlds?
27:08 Niels Bohr and the Copenhagen Interpretation
40:30 Ontological Indeterminacy and Quantum Physics
47:23 On Superposition, History, and Art
01:02:10 What’s The Status of the Big Bang?
01:09:57 Albert Einstein, Niels Bohr, and Indeterminacy
01:21:13 Will Quantum Mechanics Be in a Theory of Everything?
01:27:55 Everything Everywhere All at Once, Indiana Jones, and The Avengers
01:33:03 Time Travel and Killing Hitler
01:41:54 On Stephen Hawking
Robinson’s Website: robinsonerhardt.com
Robinson Erhardt researches symbolic logic and the foundations of mathematics at Stanford University. Join him in conversations with philosophers, scientists, weightlifters, artists, and everyone in-between.
slavoj acting like a philosophy student at a physics office hours. this is awesome, great job.
hahahaha yes
I died 🤣
Just amazing - educative and relly fun - congratulaions!!!
This is the best timeline
we are all fortunate to live in their branch
True.
There is no branch where zizek is middle man
@@AlgirdasMiseckas Zizek’s wave function doesn’t allow for the possible world where he is a middle man lol
Is our sense of “the Divine” just a severe fluctuation within different timelines?🤔
Wow, I have never seen Zizek forcibly shut himself up to let someone speak the way he did with Carroll. Carroll also had lots of patience and understanding, and both showed such immense respect for one another. This will go down as one of my favourite podcast episodes of all time, and a great example of how greats like these two should conduct themselves.
agreed. they do physics a great service.
that’s awesome to hear!
I really appreciated their dynamic as well!
Zizek can’t help but be excited and all over the place, but to see that energy channelled with such a respect for Carroll (how can you not have respect for him).
And Carroll is GOAT for navigating the chaos and keeping the vibe immaculate.
Sean Carroll's cute chalkboard pretty much confirms my sudpicion he's an intellectual lightweight and pop monologist😅
@@James-ll3jb I read his text book on special and general relativity and it has been used at university.
What would it mean for him to be a heavier weight? Does he need to have the new of new in algebraic topology on his board?
I’m a math dude, not a physicist. But Carroll is well well respected. If Everettian QM is wrong, it’s not because of what’s on Carroll chalk board lol
Sean Carroll is a planetary treasure. Lucid, patient, respectful.
indeed
But he got cucked by partisan politics
@@withnail-and-i Which incident are you referring to?
This is the only time ive ever seen Zizek actually stop himself from interrupting because he was so interested in learning. I love this!
Me too!
Another example is his conversation with S. Kotkin. Very good as well...
Good exchange. I definitely give Žižek credit for doing his homework, and asking genuinely insightful questions. But I think even his most ardent supporters would have to admit that Carroll displays the patience of a saint.
yeah because zizek will not shutup, and not content with talking nonstop for 10 minutes, then interrupts sean carrol when it's sean's turn to speak. zizek is not a good choice for a discussion. rather it needs to be formatted where zizek gets ten minutes to speak,then has to shut uo, then sean caroll speaks for ten minutes then zizek gets to question sean's opening talk for five minutes, and sean gets to defend or elaborate his position. e.t.c.
carroll's grasp of physics is weak at best
@@aaaccciiiddd How would you know?
@@shaunhumphreys6714 Actually Ziz was holding back here..he was leaving a lot more room then he usually does..i found it very engaging and i think they shared a great rapport!! to see Ziz at his interrupting worse check out his chat with Graham Harman whoa!!
@@publiusrunesteffensen5276 Because he's read Carroll's GR textbook and finds it lacking. Of course he wouldn't just make a dumb comment about something he knows nothing about...
What a pleasure, two of the greats of our time. Thank you ever so much for hosting this and mad love to your feline
MOM, IT'S THE TURTLE GUY
I still have no idea if zizek is wise and smart or talking jibberish.
Exurb1a... dude if you read this I LOVE your vids. Makes me ridiculously happy you're watching this as well.
When is your next book releasing? Also wanted to offer my thanks, one of your videos got me laid once.
Hey man, you're my favourite UA-camr. Every time you upload my brain releases happy chemicals. Which isn't often, but at least it happens sometimes.
In my own cosmological schema, Sean is a particle, and Žižek is a wave.
Hahahaha this is perfect.
Even the difference in res and body movement, proves your point
I can observe every point Zizek occupies in his superposition at once.
You're a mad genius for synthesizing these mad geniuses.
thank you, thank you
The Connections (2021) [short documentary] 🔥
Never ever would I thought to hear the words "one way ticket to gulag" in a podcast with Sean Carroll
hahahaha
Never in my life did I think I’d see this interaction between these two people but I’m here for it
Great!
Only took the algorithm 11 days to recommend. Thanks!
damn algorithm
I`m actually impressed by how versed Zizek is in the lingo
He takes this very seriously!
So true. I like Zizek, but I wasn’t expecting this! This makes me respect him even more.
its funny to see ziziek so interested and fully engaged , just wants to bombard the guy with questions 😆
Love it.
The guy shared Richard Feynmans desk at caltech. How dare u call him "the guy" 😂
18 minutes in and this is incredible 🎉
You can really see Sean Carroll developing a respect and intensity to his answers as he realizes that Zizek is making a serious attempt to understand the issues at hand, for the sake of his philosophy.
Zizek seems in hyperfocus.
Excellent stuff
I'm so glad you see it this way too!
😂😂😂 #DunningKrugerEFECT ....much too much
Zizek started to be believe his own BULLCRAP
Slavoj evolves before our bare eyes. Once a philosopher, now a physicist
Pretty much!
I love this guy!!
Carrol and Zizek started visibly somewhat restrained, and then expanded aftewards, and even had plenty of fun. This was a most unexpected and marvelous talk.
I'm glad you liked it!
Sean Carroll explains things so incredibly well
he's the best at it
Yes! I love this! Slavoj is smart enough that he's asking good questions! A lot of people don't realize how important that is! Just to be able to ask the right questions is a big fkn deal! It's a significant accomplishment!
This is so much fun. What a great team to explore reality.
Agreed!
Bro your channel is one of the best out there!
It blows me away that you’re able to consistently interview these intellectual heavyweights and keep them engaged. Episodes are just banger after banger lately but also this podcast has just been overall impressive
thanks zeke
*also the outstanding talent of listening to his guests without interrupting them!, Keep up the good work!
he's got them wrapped around his finger!
The Connections (2021) [short documentary] 🔥
bro he didn't say anything lmao
I feel like I'm definitely in a privileged branch of the wavefunction to be hearing Sean Carroll and Slavoy Zizek discussing Everything Everywhere All at Once and Indiana Jones 5!
Agreed
me too - Eu também, já era um grande fã do ZIzek e do sábio Sean - now I'm also fan of this podcast!!
Slavoj Zizek is going on many different UA-cam podcasts which is really cool, he doesn't just go on big network TV, tho he still does, and I love him for it!
Respect to Sean for tackling Zizek's weirdness lol
Came here from Sean's mention of this pod on his own pod Mindscape. Cant believe we have Slavoj and Sean in the same pod, never expected it. Absolutely brilliant. And judging from the content on the channel.. I need to be subbed :)
but how funny is slavoj man.. had me in tears in the end.. "the middle man" 😭
Wow, what an unexpected crossover! I'm excited to listen
Hope you like it!
We are watching history. This is a milestone conversation.
Awesome!
Robinson, hats off to you for this astonishing range of breadth of scientists, philosophers, commentators that you've managed to bring together. 118 episodes!!! Bravo, and I wish your cinematic universe a ton of success!
Thanks so much! That's so sweet of you!
The best thing about this conversation was how Carroll is such a great person he was here to more fully absorb Slavoj’a ideas than most philosophers.
This is one of the most interesting conversations I’ve ever listened to.
I'm so glad to hear that!
I’m sure I miss part of the picture, but I see myselves in many worlds like apples on an apple tree, growing from the root of the tree and branching out, producing many apples, all me, all with different outcomes and perspectives
Bringing this two into a room talking about the realities of our lives is propably the best thing that happened to our intelectual universe in the last 20 years...
so agreed
Sure
I never thought I needed this, I think this interview alone proves the multiverse is a thing and we live in the most interesting version of it!
Zizek is someone I see as someone who can understand physics in philosophical terms and explain philosophy in physics terms
What an intense combination of minds.
THE INTENSEST
The conversation we didn’t know we needed.
Agreed.
So great to get these two amazing minds together. Mad respect for both of them and yourself, as well. Thank you.
Wow! Didn't see this coming. As a fan of political philosophy and space, this is a merging of titans that was both completetly unexpected and a special treat.
Awesome!!
I smiled for the whole thing. I love these guys for totally different reasons. Treasure them while we have them
i smiled for most of it, i think
Thank God for UA-cam that we have access to these kinds of discussions. Super interesting and informative. Thanks for hosting and uploading this Robinson 🙏🙏
Thanks for listening
Truly a miraculous conversation. Thank you for facilitating this.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great conversation. Looking forward now for a chat with Salvoj Zizek and Sabine Hossenfelder!
Not sure if Hossenfelder is interested in more public debates/dialogues after the one she had with Kastrupp.
@@santerisatama5409after her video on capitalism, it probably wouldn't go well
Love the eagerness of Slavoj Zizek to learn about Quantum mechanics. Another interesting interpretation for QM comes from Multiway graph systems proposed by Stephen Wolfram.
Zizek is such a wonderfully skilled social strategist. Zizek subtly using this conversation as proof of philosophies legitimacy.
the only podcast i listen to is Mindscpape which i discovered 3-4 ? years ago and i still get super excited every monday when a new episode comes out. i discovered this one only a few days ago and im so happy because i think it will be the same. cant wait to listen to all the older ones. subscribed.
Wow that's the highest praise I could imagine. I hope not to disappoint!
The crossover I didn't know i needed! Two of my favourite people on the planet talking about some of the most thought provoking topics out there. Thank you Robinson for facilitating this amazing discussion ✌️
glad you enjoyed it!! thanks!!
Sean Carroll & Zizek and a host that just lets it happen! omg!
i had imaginary popcorn
As a Physics Ph. D. with Hegelian sympathies, this was a treat. I deeply enjoyed Zizek’s digression on how the structure of language makes it such that authors and speakers are not in charge of the meaning of their words, and how history itself shapes and reinvents works, past and future. “Truth has the structure of fiction,” as he’s said before.
I hope Zizek understood that Many Worlds does not meet his hopes of ontological openness of reality. Just as Sean says other theories are created in psychological revolt against the truth of many worlds pointed to by the wavefunction, from my point of view Many Worlds (and Objective Collapse, for that matter) are developed in psychological revolt against ontological openness. Of course, to say this is a “minority view” in Physics communities is an immense understatement, and it should be noted that I’m credentialed as an experimentalist, NOT a theorist.
Ironically, I kind of think embarking on a quest to find a mechanism or interpretation of cosmology and quantum mechanics to rescue a materialist and ontologically open reality, Zizek is making the same mistake as Penrose’s objective collapse, Bohmian hidden variables, and all the others. (Penrose in particular is accused of developing his theories in defense of the concept of Free Will, though he denies this). The solution, in my view, is to accept that reality really is bigger than physics.
Enjoyed the conversation, especially as I am iranian and appreciated last words from Zizek ❤
That was a wonderful conversation. Thank you for making it happen.
Of course!
Just loved it. Sean did a great job explaining his view of QM, and Zizek was a fantastic person to discuss it with.
Awesome, I'm so glad.
What an ambitious crossover, loved it!
Wow. I've been waiting for Sean to have Slavoj on his podcast for ages! Thanks for this
Our pleasure!
Such a gem, the cross-over we needed! Much thanks for putting it together.
You bet!
This is the best combo I’ve seen ! Thank you
Thanks!!
Thank you so much for making this collaboration happen, that's awesome!
Thank you fellow Robin!
Holy shit!!! Zizek and Carroll together??? Be still my beating heart ❤ 💕 BRING IT!!! 😜🥰
precisely the excitement I’ve been having
Many thanks to the middleman for making this happen!
Any time!
This made my day! Just as you promised. Thank you!
You're so welcome!
this channel is a jewel - fascinating thank you guys
Awesome match here, liked and followed both of ages and this is an unprecedented meeting of Titans, this so very much made my day, thx a lalalalot!
Just so hillarious ending 😂 Never seen Carroll not being able to take his spot on a conversation.
lol true
WOW! What a legendary episode! Nice one.
Thanks Pierce Brosnan
Collaboration of the year. Thank you!
Huge episode. Keep ‘em coming brotha 🙏❤️
Thanks David!
That was the most intriguing and enlightening discussion I've heard in years! Thank you so much for allowing these two great minds to share their ideas!
Wow, that's awesome!
Fun to watch how Mr. Žižek's stance reshapes while Mr Carroll tries to adapt to an for him unusually oscillating conversation.
Gonzo podcasting might be a fitting term for this here show.
thanks so much for not cutting away any footage!!
No worries! Unfortunately a minute or two got lost at the end but it was only Slavoj revealing he had a theory of everything.
Thank you so much for bringing these two on the same talk. So much fun on so many levels 😂
The last four minutes are just hilarious 😂
Our pleasure!
This was a great dialogue, thank you for making it happen. I will keep an eye on the channel.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Truly brilliant and an honor to hear these two discuss the nature of reality!
Same for me!
This cleared up a lot of misconceptions i had and clarified the areas in my knowledge about QED that were on the right track. Thanks!
Back again! Just finished. I’ve watched probably all of Zizek’s talks and discussions and listened to almost all of Sean’s podcasts and talks and I honestly think this was one of the best, at least in the top five! Zizek lets Sean talk and he even LISTENS! Sean is just the right degree of pushback. Really good stuff! You kind of made history here: Zizek gets a quote from Sean! 👍🏻
great!!!!
Wow this is incredible! Congratulations on such an engaging and remarkable episode!
Thanks sister
Your hair looks great too!
Wow, Žižek and Carroll is just a beautiful, "shine on you crazy diamonds" match made in the heavens of the many worlds. What a ride you guys!
I'm a Sean Carroll fanboy, but Žižek is definitely on my radar now. What a funny, well read, intelligent guy; seriously! He provokes Sean Carroll into really explaining the deets of QM interpretations like nobody else.
Please bring more interdisciplinary discourse like this. It is rarely the case that scientist would like to talk with a philosopher(maybe it’s just my bias). Hope to see more similar discussions.
Working on it!
The best part was the joke at the end... have fun with your movie tomorrow Zizek lol!
And thank you Middle Man for organizing this!
Always!
This is freaking amazing. I've never subscribed to a UA-cam channel so fast. Thank you for hosting Zizek on his journey through physics. Sean Carroll is pretty good, too ;-)
Thanks!!
That was crazy-great! Thanks for the mind-trip!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Hi, Sean Carroll, it is so nice to listen to your talk
On some branch out there Sean is very appreciative of this comment.
Very very very good conversation, such a great achievement to create these conversations Robinson.
A recent episode of TrueAnon with Prof. Douglas Rushkoff had a good bit in which Rushkoff talked about how (in that case, technology/decline) is moving so quickly, that podcasts actually are as close as you can get to being physically local to one another...that the traditional rate of academia is vastly outpaced by events occurring in the world today. This conversation is a great example of the importance of these direct connections between academics.
Thank you!!
I would love to hear them talk about Relational Quantum Mechanics. That interpretation has a lot in common with post structualism and process philosophy in that it denies the existence of a globally privileged state or observer.
How refreshing to hear a man that is not afraid to speak his mind, would the world be a better place if there where more people like this??? or would it be not be, now that is the question, great show thank you...
This is my favourite podcast now
Listened to it 3 times
Love the subtle way Sean tailors his references when he talks to philosophers, or sports people, or any other domain.
Žižek embodies the Dorothy Parker quote, "The cure for boredom is curiosity. There is no cure for curiosity."
Robinson, you look more and more like a rock star every day. 😎
Great episode.
imo its kind of pandering. classic case of a very smart person having an annoying personality
@@pichirisu Nah, I've met Sean a few times when he and his wife used to go to all the atheist conferences, his primary goal when talking to anyone is ALWAYS to be understood as clearly as possible. I've seen him gracefully handle limitations to this both on the part of his audience (eg. subjects like gauge theory or quark-gluon plasma) and himself. I remember him asking a lot of clarifying questions when discussing hacker culture and organic chemistry, and apologizing that he just wanted to make sure he was understanding the other person's points clearly because he wasn't as well-versed in these topics.
@@lucasthompson1650 idc about all of that, but the last sentence was cool. He can be both pandering and curious at the same time. Cool shit though
@@pichirisuit's called 'clear communication'. You must be a nightmare to speak with, if you think tailoring your communication to who you're speaking to is 'pandering'.
@@tomc4187 There’s a difference between that and pandering. Thanks for that though.
Excited to listen to this! Also your jacket is great.
Thanks! I agree :)
This is masterpiece.. thanks a lot for delivering such amazing content for us
My pleasure!
well that was delightful. thank you for it
Would love to see one also with Slavoj and Robert Sapolsky
I second this.
Listening to this while watching a meteor shower is quite surreal and spectacular!
awesome!
Thank you for creating a podcast for Zizek. It was waayyy overdue.
Agreed!
My god it's the collab I never knew I needed
Mind bending conversation
You've collapsed the wave function
thanks corey :)
uh………………….. i wasn’t expecting this in a million years
it was a spontaneous quantum fluctuation, hard to predict
Slavoj’s writing’s on Hegel and ontology make this a little less unexpected, if you’ve seen them
My head is spinning! Great conversation!
Mine too!
very very cool guests, thanks for putting this together! :)
Our pleasure!
Happy to be in the branch of the wave function where I found your podcast. Another great episode!
Awesome! Thank you so much!!!
Awesome! Thank you so much!!!
I subscribed because of this unexpected crossover lol, great episode
Thanks!
What a thrilling conversation! I LOVED THE ENDING
Hey Robinson, fantastic channel, great job!
Thanks and welcome!!!
Robertson Erhhart, I will confess that I had not heard of you until, by chance (because I follow Sean), your podcast popped up.
I'm pleased to have come across your site. Especially, as I watched another interview (to do with BECs) to now realize that your interests go well beyond casual. Your questions to the interviewee (on the cesium & Iridium Atom/vapor) reveal a deeper knowledge into something that has been near ‘n’ dear to my heart: Quantum Mechanics.
PS-
I learned about BECs back in 2007. 🤵✨
-James (aka, @a_tru_waveform).
Thanks so much!!!