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  • Опубліковано 8 вер 2024
  • Covered Doug Stauffer’s claim that I changed the text of The King James Only Controversy because of his refutations (false).
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  • @BorisDzelajlija
    @BorisDzelajlija 3 роки тому +37

    "I have a very particular set of skills. Skills I have acquired over a very long career. Skills that make me a nightmare for people like you.
    I will look for you, I will find you and I will debate you." :D

  • @jameswheat4225
    @jameswheat4225 3 роки тому +7

    No vaccine & no mask 🤙

  • @sadgooroo.620
    @sadgooroo.620 3 роки тому +10

    I grew up under the preaching of Doug. It will not go well for him.

  • @rejoicingbones
    @rejoicingbones 3 роки тому +35

    I was IFB for about 10 years (actually got some good bible grounding) but that included being KJVO, after my first IFB pastor did a series on the subject, which included a lot of lingo like “Textus Receptus” and Vaticanus, etc. Sounded pretty convincing to my younger self. But then I started down the slippery slope of attending a church that used the NKJV 😂. Now I can’t believe this is still such an issue. I love the NASB and ESV.

    • @AP-ow5vu
      @AP-ow5vu 10 місяців тому +2

      You've reassured me that I made the right decision to take our family to a church that's further away rather compromise on the closer baptist church using the NKJV

    • @Bl_Radio
      @Bl_Radio 10 місяців тому +2

      Bleck... that NASB is stilted and horrible to read... that's just my preference. 😊 I have multiple NASB study bibles. I'm an NRSV guy, and i usually have mine open with an NET full notes edition.
      Ya, the KJV-only crowd depends on the indoctrination and/or self-selecting ignorance of their congregants to sustain their branding. It has nothing to do with cojent rationale or biblical "doctrine."

  • @Sam-xc1mm
    @Sam-xc1mm 3 роки тому +7

    Am I trippin or has James White always had tattoos?

    • @gosteronlinecourses
      @gosteronlinecourses 2 роки тому +3

      I just noticed them as well - perhaps he got tatted when he switched to Apologia Church - to be one of the young folk?

  • @Richardcontramundum
    @Richardcontramundum 3 роки тому +8

    Do the KJV ONLY folks actually read and UNDERSTAND what they are reading? I mean we can all like the KJV, but many of the verses are just so hard to understand based in words no longer used. It's only common sense. Also, what did they christian church use before 1611?

    • @billyr9162
      @billyr9162 3 роки тому +1

      I think the used TR

    • @larryonguitar
      @larryonguitar 3 роки тому +1

      And what did the Christian Church use for next 400 years after1611?

    • @Richardcontramundum
      @Richardcontramundum 3 роки тому +1

      @@larryonguitar 100s of translations from the original Greek and Hebrew translated into 100s of languages

    • @BryceRKoehn
      @BryceRKoehn 3 роки тому +4

      Most of the Puritan preferred the Geneva Bible as an English translation instead of the KJV

  • @jschram84
    @jschram84 3 роки тому +11

    Dr White just ended that mans career lol

  • @BloodBoughtMinistries
    @BloodBoughtMinistries 3 роки тому +8

    Kjvo people are nuts

    • @harryholyfield1550
      @harryholyfield1550 4 місяці тому

      but they are screwed on the right bolt JESUS CHRIST.

  • @zbennett1720
    @zbennett1720 3 роки тому +22

    This is awesome. James white really will come to you & say how you’re wrong! Savage!! LOL LOVE IT

  • @crisscaseflows
    @crisscaseflows 10 місяців тому +2

    Hayman look up in here😂

  • @northerngardening2585
    @northerngardening2585 3 роки тому +14

    Would love to see this! I used to be KJVO.

  • @phaxad
    @phaxad Рік тому +5

    I was KJV only for 23 years. Thanks to further study & James Whites book I'm no longer KJV only.

  • @davidpatton7298
    @davidpatton7298 3 роки тому +6

    Thank God for you, brother, James. Call out the narcissists. Awesome!

  • @robbiemiddleton2836
    @robbiemiddleton2836 Рік тому +3

    I was raised ifb and kjvonly . It was in my early twenties that I became best friends with a couple from another church who wasn’t king James only . I was starting to have a lot of questions about why we were kjvo and why we were right and every one else was wrong and none of the answers I got or lack of answers led me further out the door . I am now a reader and owner of many Bible versions . I have yet to get a copy of Mr. Whites book but i want to read it some day . His videos have taught me so much and help me understand that kjvo is only tradition and not what we as Christians build our faith on . I love my family and kjvonly brothers and sisters in Christ dearly. Now that I’m on the other side of it I look back and feel almost crazy for believing it in the first place .

  • @omarayyash3275
    @omarayyash3275 11 місяців тому +1

    I disagree with the IFB's misogyny, I think it's rooted in evil and/or misunderstanding. I read the Bible and I don't think there's misogyny in there, there's no hatred of women in the Bible. Slaves too weren't hated by their masters I believe. God created man, both male and female in His image it says in the Bible. Jesus helped women, healed them among other things...the culture at the time was kind of exclusive and suspicious of women, but like the Bible says, God created man, both male and female in His image.

  • @PeteJab
    @PeteJab 2 роки тому +3

    Superman lived in Smallville. 😂

  • @infidelhardcore7881
    @infidelhardcore7881 3 роки тому +7

    Dr White is based. I love it when he gets fired up

  • @OC3707
    @OC3707 3 роки тому +6

    KJV only idolaters are willingly blind to see the problems with their pet translation.

  • @Pastormichaelhuffman
    @Pastormichaelhuffman 3 роки тому +15

    I have repeatedly asked James White about lumping all IFB into the same camp. I am an Independent Baptist pastor, but I am NOT a KJV only; in fact, I use the NASB. I believe and preach the Doctrines of Grace. Please stop putting all of us in his camp. Some of us are nothing like that!!!!

    • @larryonguitar
      @larryonguitar 3 роки тому

      So right Pastor Huffman.

    • @TheAndrewONeal
      @TheAndrewONeal 3 роки тому +4

      In my IFB past one of the defining characteristics of a "true" IFB pastor / church was that they were KJVO. The fact that you would even consider the NASB a viable option, let alone *use* the NASB (gasp), would designate you as a liberal compromiser who has been deceived by false perversions of the Scripture. For everyone in that IFB camp you HAD TO BE KJVO to be IFB. So it's challenging for those outside the movement to always make the distinction that there is a KJVO IFB and a non-KJVO IFB. But for me, I have no desire to be remotely confused with KJVO IFB so I never refer to myself or our church as IFB. You can identify yourself & your church as you see fit but in my opinion you are always going to have to be clarifying which type of IFB pastor / church you are.

    • @BloodBoughtMinistries
      @BloodBoughtMinistries 3 роки тому

      Didn't even know such a things as non kjvo ifb exists.

    • @kristiewatts1030
      @kristiewatts1030 2 роки тому +9

      I dont think you are IFB..... You are a reformed Baptist in denial.....

    • @florida8953
      @florida8953 2 роки тому

      @@kristiewatts1030 Bingo.

  • @Cortezuma
    @Cortezuma 3 роки тому +13

    Imagine being called “sir” by James White.

    • @brianyoung8578
      @brianyoung8578 3 роки тому +1

      That would be amazing, he is usually so arrogant I wouldn’t expect that from him.

    • @florida8953
      @florida8953 2 роки тому

      @@brianyoung8578 Nah he's not. Heretics need rebuking.

    • @KnightFel
      @KnightFel Рік тому

      @@brianyoung8578you gotta be soft as charmin if you think Dr. White is arrogant lol.

  • @GospelBeliever290
    @GospelBeliever290 3 роки тому +6

    I'm not far from Niceville, FL and would love to see this in person. Just emailed this video over to Faith Independent Baptist Church.

    • @CWilly87
      @CWilly87 3 роки тому

      Let us know if you get a response!

  • @colinlundstrom207
    @colinlundstrom207 3 роки тому +7

    C’mon Doug! Let’s make it happen!

  • @KingdomeBleachers
    @KingdomeBleachers 3 роки тому +4

    Gospel Superspreader 🤣

  • @tonybasoni8443
    @tonybasoni8443 3 роки тому +3

    Bravo James.

  • @gsnad
    @gsnad 3 роки тому

    Literally just noticed the warp core on the shelf

  • @YikesVR
    @YikesVR 3 роки тому +2

    Is that a Bluetooth speaker with those lights on the top of your tall bookshelf? It’s awesome.

    • @ogmakefirefiregood
      @ogmakefirefiregood 3 роки тому +1

      Not sure if it has a speaker in it, but I know it's a warp core drive from Star-trek TNG.

  • @CupOJoeOuttaIdaho
    @CupOJoeOuttaIdaho Рік тому +2

    I can’t wait to read this book. Should be here later today

  • @user-kj5rz7je4j
    @user-kj5rz7je4j 7 місяців тому +2

    You just gotta love the klowns in the body that constantly come against the body, stirring it up rather than preaching Christ.

  • @fndrr42
    @fndrr42 3 роки тому +9

    Why does the KJO crew remind me so much of the current Democratic Party?

    • @fndrr42
      @fndrr42 3 роки тому

      @Charles McKinley - it’s so obvious, don’t know how I didn’t see it before 😂

    • @harryholyfield1550
      @harryholyfield1550 4 місяці тому

      warped thinking on your part,if you think that some one using a translation as the KJV resembles the democRAT party you might consider therapy for the confused.

    • @fndrr42
      @fndrr42 4 місяці тому +3

      @@harryholyfield1550 - I love the KJV, my issue is with those that argue it’s the only inspired text.

    • @chriscravens8318
      @chriscravens8318 3 місяці тому

      ​@@harryholyfield1550 looks like you are the one with warped thinking. Democrat much?

  • @ianbucy2019
    @ianbucy2019 3 роки тому +5

    I wish PCC would take you up on the KJVO talk...so many people there would have their minds blown by the truth. Anyway, with all the free time you'll have in ATL for G3, let me know if I can take you out for a meal or coffee.

  • @Collidedatoms
    @Collidedatoms 3 роки тому +5

    I know a few years back there were some IFBs who were like "please don't lump us in with Steven Anderson" and it would be cool if one of those guys came on the DL or Apologia and had a discussion with you as brothers. That would be cool.

  • @caleb4015
    @caleb4015 Рік тому +1

    Did anything ever come of this challenge?

    • @davidhiramreyes6490
      @davidhiramreyes6490 11 місяців тому +1

      Of course not. The IFB is like the Democrats, they make claims and never give any proof.

  • @ChandraAnandInChrist
    @ChandraAnandInChrist 3 роки тому +5

    Okay, thank you

  • @adoboyt7572
    @adoboyt7572 10 днів тому

    DEBATE IS GOOD. IT'S NOT SIN! IT'S SHOWING LOVE TO YOUR BRETHREN 😂

  • @jbnntt
    @jbnntt 3 роки тому +1

    I live near there! Please come even if you don't do that debate! I'm sure my church would love to have you come be with us. Redeemer Church of Pace ( right there next to Milton).

  • @Exodous26
    @Exodous26 3 роки тому +16

    This is hilarious. I went to high school where Doug Stauffer was the "Bible" teacher, and back then. The guy is an ego-maniac, only interested in preaching his brand of KJV-only-ism, and it does not surprise me that he is lying and making stuff up.

    • @tomnassar5884
      @tomnassar5884 3 роки тому

      Did he attend Pensacola Christian College?

    • @Exodous26
      @Exodous26 3 роки тому

      @@tomnassar5884 I don't know for sure where Doug went to school, but the high school strongly promoted PCC as a place to go after graduation.

    • @tomnassar5884
      @tomnassar5884 3 роки тому +2

      @@Exodous26 when I was in that area about 25 years ago, I always heard about KJV debates usually at some church. PCC students would be on the street corners wearing white dress shirts and black dress pants preaching.

    • @alexfanney9662
      @alexfanney9662 3 роки тому

      @@Exodous26 James White is a ego-maniac also.

    • @Exodous26
      @Exodous26 3 роки тому +4

      @@alexfanney9662 Disagree. He is strongly opinionated, but I don't see the guy putting up billboards with his face on them.

  • @ProclaimeroftheGospelofJesus
    @ProclaimeroftheGospelofJesus 3 роки тому +1

    I am not sure about this youtube platform for Christians to work out differences. I am sure this looks childish to many. Cant we just call one another instead of exploit our issues in a way to burn people with im right and your wrong. It is important to be right, but not like this.

    • @jman4817
      @jman4817 3 роки тому

      Yep, nothing like believers arguing for the world to see when the world needs the Gospel.

    • @ProclaimeroftheGospelofJesus
      @ProclaimeroftheGospelofJesus 3 роки тому

      @@jman4817 what is going to matter is if you know Jesus! Will He know you. Did you trust in Him. The simplicity in Christ is greater knowledge than any reformed orthodoxy. This anointing will teach you all things. The anointing in the beginning. The Holy Spirit guiding you, empowering you. I am afraid many miss the faith that goes from head knowledge to heart knowledge.
      Th faith that is in the power of God not the wisdom of men.
      Believing God that you are guilty and condemned, then believing in n Jesus to save you from your sins with hope in God. Converted as a child.
      Many will miss this, and it will be the surety of their wisdom that will keep them from it.
      The gospel of Jesus is the power of God unto our salvation; this brings us to Christ , in the assurance of hope in God, receiving the love of the truth in Jesus.
      Many give little weight to the love we received, and practice faith by what they understand.
      To know the love of Christ, is to depend on Him with much suffering, relying on Him, no matter what.
      It was not about how great the theology was , it was about trusting God and building the foundation step by step overcoming in Him.
      Faith being purged, thanking God while going through tremendous trials, being, built up in Hope for the joy that is to come and having peace in Him while fiery trials are raging.
      The Holy Spirit will shed abroad the love of God in your heart, because of this hope, converted as a child in faith.
      Being matured in love, may look like something else to certain Christians.
      Wait and hope in the Lord, keep it simple, grow in grace and truth.
      Lean not to your own understanding, in all your ways, acknowledge Him, and He will direct your paths.
      God provided it all and He gives increase, the choice is yours.
      God can make a man stand!

    • @jesusfaith2232
      @jesusfaith2232 Рік тому +1

      Maybe point this out to your IFB nutters on UA-cam….hypocrisy!

  • @doveofgrace
    @doveofgrace 3 роки тому

    Dr. White, I live near Niceville. There are two or three RV Parks in the general area closer than Milton. One is called “Topsail,” and the other one is “Grayton Beach.” Maybe that debate will happen, and if so, I’ll be there. Safe travels and God bless. 🙏

  • @Austin22Lowery
    @Austin22Lowery 2 роки тому

    Aye I live 20 minutes away from Niceville, FL!!

  • @deltaforcechristians1030
    @deltaforcechristians1030 3 роки тому +3

    I'm not sure why you find it necessary to tattoo your body?

  • @paulthompson673
    @paulthompson673 11 місяців тому +2

    My Greek says which are saved not being saved. 1corinthians 1:18.

  • @joshuaneace6597
    @joshuaneace6597 3 роки тому +3

    The only IFB preacher I know is serving a ten year sentence for "exposing his private parts to a minor."

    • @joshuaneace6597
      @joshuaneace6597 3 роки тому

      @Jono I’m NT Reformed in the slightest, but the IFB pastor I know was a college roommate and I went back to Cincinnati and he went back to Texas but we kept in contact with each other. One day, he stopped answering phone calls and Facebook messages and after about a year a googled his name, only to find a newspaper article detailing his arrest. I searched the Texas prison offender search and found his prison ID number so I could contact him.

    • @joshuaneace6597
      @joshuaneace6597 3 роки тому +1

      Not not NT

    • @joshuaneace6597
      @joshuaneace6597 3 роки тому

      @Jono I went to college in Eastern Kentucky.

    • @joshuaneace6597
      @joshuaneace6597 3 роки тому

      @Jono I know. However, it has been a problem in both the IFB and SBC world, along with my denomination of Christianity which isn’t Baptist by any means.

    • @joshuaneace6597
      @joshuaneace6597 3 роки тому

      @Jono no.

  • @briankregg6329
    @briankregg6329 3 роки тому +2

    I have learned so much due to James White! If he is for it or says it’s correct, I know the opposite is right, I do thank God for him and others like him!!

  • @ImDanWhoAreYou
    @ImDanWhoAreYou Рік тому

    I’m friends with Doug on Facebook 😅

  • @amywhittington7558
    @amywhittington7558 3 роки тому +3

    You have a microphone and a platform , you could use that to win people to Christ and one day you’ll wish you had.

    • @cordsman
      @cordsman Рік тому

      How do you know he hasn’t won people to Christ?

  • @BrimFreedom-c2m
    @BrimFreedom-c2m 7 днів тому

    Jackson Gary Johnson Brenda Hall Frank

  • @HeidiRobinson-lf4nj
    @HeidiRobinson-lf4nj 11 місяців тому

    Can't wait to finally meet the Pastors at Apologia Church there in Mesa, Arizona.... hopefully soon.

  • @billyr9162
    @billyr9162 3 роки тому +1

    King James only is ridiculous however the TR was being quoted by church fathers in the 2nd century allot.
    So why would you use a Bible and promote a Bible that doesn't have those verses in it? Seems to me James white does that.

  • @gordonreed2736
    @gordonreed2736 3 роки тому

    Hey everyone What is IFB

  • @David-jr7rz
    @David-jr7rz 3 роки тому +1

    So which version does James White mainly use-- When asked to
    explain his doctrine
    beliefs-- which version
    does the majority of his terminology come from?

  • @Bibliotechno
    @Bibliotechno 3 роки тому

    I appreciate when James White attempts to understand and represent back the opponent's viewpoint as factually as possible. If one cannot, as factually as possible, represent your opposition's stance, then it just undermines your own integrity, and destroys what you are saying.

  • @hardcoreveritas5648
    @hardcoreveritas5648 7 місяців тому

    I would truly like to know how Tutus 2:13 could be improved from the KJV.
    And I would challenge Mr, White anywhere and anytime to offer one doctrinal or spiritual benefit that has come from the modern versions. In what way has our doctrinal, spiritual, or record of faith green improved by any of the modern versions. They are vestigial and have added no spiritual or doctrinal benefit. They have only led to confusion and division. Two characteristics of Satan.

  • @readJames48
    @readJames48 3 роки тому +4

    James White is ALWAYS RIGHT!!!...C'mon man!!!

    • @bryanpratt5850
      @bryanpratt5850 3 роки тому +3

      Well, his foundation is always right.

    • @alexfanney9662
      @alexfanney9662 3 роки тому

      @@bryanpratt5850 lol in your opinion.

  • @johnnydamon1612
    @johnnydamon1612 Рік тому

    Crazy vs Crazy

  • @freemind9721
    @freemind9721 3 роки тому +3

    James white is forever tied to the ifb movement by simply making a book to refute kjvo-ism. He needs them a lot more than what they need him. Just like Batman needs the joker. In a debate it would be difficult to know who the joker is.

  • @jonslagill8864
    @jonslagill8864 11 місяців тому

    These IFB preachers built the largest and greatest churches in the usa at one time. Highland Park BC, Lancaster BC, TBC Detrioit, FBC Ft Worth, Akron Bapt, OH. Liberty University. Etc. They sent out nearly as many missionaries as the SBC at one time. Ya, mock them. But they did great things for God.

  • @willowapodosis4661
    @willowapodosis4661 3 роки тому +1

    Has to debate to bring in money..

  • @christophercunningham5434
    @christophercunningham5434 3 роки тому +3

    i wish that james white would put his pride aside long enough to address some of the behavior displayed with evidence by JD Hall. I am a skeptic of all polemists and take nobody at their word when their actions are far different. So when I watched in full the entire video on Protestia yesterday, I went back and watched every video mentioned and read every article that was mentioned as well. I can say with certainty that you owe JD Hall an apology but as JD pointed out, I have never once seen you admit a mistake or being wrong or apologize for anything, and I do not expect you to repair the relationship with JD. JD did however also show how often he defended you even though you were falsely attacking him. An ego and pride are some of the most dangerous things to have a death grip on. Because eventually pride will cause a fall, a great fall at that. I like James White and he is seriously one of the smartest apologists alive today. Unfortunately with that comes a need and desire to always be the smartest man in the room. Imagine if White was a harsh towards the pope, Jeff Durbin, Islamists, Mike Brown or Russell Moore as he was towards JD Hall. Before any of you cult followers of James White come try to tar and feather me, I highly encourage you to actually investigate for yourself, look for yourself and watch the video put out by Protestia that has all of the times/dates/examples/videos/articles with the original links. Go think for yourself, go watch for yourself instead of emoting because you like someone who thinks he's smarter than you. White owes him an apology, and I bet that JD would not secretly record it and release it a year later under an anonymous name. But I will be proven right when I predict the following: James White will once again lie about JD and attack him, white will never apologize or admit wrongdoing towards JD (or anyone for that matter), and eventually something at some time from some point in time will bring him to a point of humility if he does not humble himself first. A lot can be seen about someone by how they handle when they are wrong. He was wrong about Moore and defended Moore way back in 2015 when JD was calling him out for the wolf he is, and suddenly White does not support Moore any longer. He will defend Mohler who keeps promoting all of these weak impotent professors who are teaching CRT, and White will continue to give a benefit of a doubt for these guys who are teaching destructive doctrines. Time is the ultimate test, and I know that I witnessed for myself that time has proven JD Hall to be right. JD is not perfect, but he is will openly apologize and admit when he is wrong or when he has wronged someone and ask for forgiveness.

    • @willowapodosis4661
      @willowapodosis4661 3 роки тому

      Likewise johnny Mac also swims in pride...

    • @TheJpep2424
      @TheJpep2424 3 роки тому +3

      Johnny Mac swims in humility and biblical truth.

    • @danielomitted1867
      @danielomitted1867 2 роки тому

      Ad hominem. We cant find any fault with anything hes saying so we gotta go after his charecter. If anyone has any knowledge and the courage to stand beside it then we'll shriek "pride" at them.

    • @chriscravens8318
      @chriscravens8318 3 місяці тому

      ​@@willowapodosis4661you swim in stupidity

  • @harryholyfield1550
    @harryholyfield1550 4 місяці тому

    mister tattoo on display.laugh out loud

  • @JohnDawson
    @JohnDawson 3 роки тому +1

    James - You should probably get that gangrene on your arms looked at. #smh

  • @johnnydamon1612
    @johnnydamon1612 Рік тому +1

    What’s with the tattoos and the goofy necklace? Mid-life crisis?

    • @jesusfaith2232
      @jesusfaith2232 Рік тому +2

      Mean …..you must be in the IFB lol

    • @johnnydamon1612
      @johnnydamon1612 Рік тому

      @@jesusfaith2232 nope. I dislike the IFB. But when a 50-60 something year old man starts getting tattoos and wearing weird necklaces, something is up.

    • @AmberDennis001
      @AmberDennis001 7 місяців тому +1

      Because he can

  • @briankregg6329
    @briankregg6329 3 роки тому +3

    He says others lie while he lies and knows he is lying about Christ

    • @briankregg6329
      @briankregg6329 3 роки тому

      @Charles McKinley says he is Yahweh

    • @briankregg6329
      @briankregg6329 3 роки тому

      @Charles McKinley well Jesus didn't believe it so I don't. I don't care what Christianity teaches, God never told anyone to follow that man made false religion. Jesus never started a religion! Jesus said the only true God is our Father, which excludes him from being so. I believe Jesus, God is immortal, Jesus died. God cannot be tempted, Jesus was. James White is wrong, Jesus is correct.

    • @briankregg6329
      @briankregg6329 3 роки тому

      @Charles McKinley not 1 verse says that, Jesus told us who the true God is and who his God is, our heavenly Father. If you are right, Jesus is a liar and I assure you he isn't!

    • @briankregg6329
      @briankregg6329 3 роки тому

      @Charles McKinley where is the verse? No I surely will not, I follow the lamb of God, not trinitarianism

  • @Jaymus71490
    @Jaymus71490 3 роки тому +3

    We have many more bibles than we need. Only need one English Bible…the King James Bible.

    • @billyr9162
      @billyr9162 3 роки тому +3

      Who is we? What about people in Korea or Indonesia? They don't speak English

    • @Ironica82
      @Ironica82 3 роки тому +1

      @@billyr9162 Though I am more of an ESVO, I could tell from the OP that he was referring to english bibles only and not any other languages

  • @wynandl.oberholzer1702
    @wynandl.oberholzer1702 3 роки тому +2

    You are false sir. You do not have a final authority...

    • @aperson4057
      @aperson4057 3 роки тому +7

      Neither does the KJV

    • @bryanpratt5850
      @bryanpratt5850 3 роки тому +5

      ???

    • @jschram84
      @jschram84 3 роки тому +1

      I think Dr White is the final authority on what he wrote in his own book and why