Yes silver surfer is very powerful but he is not winning from jiren....Jiren at his 10 percent of powers came out of time loop defeating the rules of time....
This is wack😂... He's degrading superman... Supes broke the very bond of infinitude with his speed bro... Durability, surviving the destruction of new genesis and apokolips... Matching darkseid... Dan just hates superman😂😂😂. I'm sorry for you
Usually he seems to be a DC boy. But he was low key handicapping Surfer as well by saying he wasn’t gonna go all out even tho it likely would be a life or death fight..
Jiren is definitely outplayed here, fight is between Superman and Surfer. Current Superman is extremely OP these days, he’s definitely Surfer’s superior in physicality plus equal speed if not slightly higher, problem is… Surfer’s Power Cosmic… is extremely versatile and has so many abilities, especially energy absorption, he did it with Hulk and permanently took away Bruce’s Gamma Radiation and only reason Hulk got is back was cause Surfer gave it back, he can do the same with Clark’s solar energy, and he can do so much more than just shoot cosmic lasers and absorb energy… Surfer is waaaaaay to versatile
@@epsyfn absorb energy, or more exactly, rip someone’s energy from its body? Manipulate matter? Getting destroyed into pieces and just regenerate from that? Nah he can’t
@@Daniel-si7zp My problem with the assertion "stands no chance" against the Surfer is that Supe regularly goes up against Darkside who also has all the power in the book at an unprecedented levels and isn't shy at using them. Surfer has been regularly slapped and beaten by Thanos who is lesser in powers compared to Darkside. Worse yet is that Thanos perceived Gladiator as the most dangerous one of the defender team. Don't you think that its a downer on the side of the Surfer. He has all powers but has been regularly beaten by other powerhouses and Supe stand no chance? Yeah right... Once one is versatile in powers you guys just envision a must always win for that person. Not true!!!
@@richmanezihuo7214 the problem is not that Superman doesn’t stand a chance, he does, but Silver Surfer counters heavily most of Clark’s abilities, and he can drain his powers, Clark has a bad career with people stealing his powers, such as Parasite, Silver Surfer can drain Superman out of his solar energy faster than he can absorb, is literally the same thing for when Hulk and Silver Surfer fought. Hulk is of course much stronger than Silver Surfer, yet Surfer won by draining Hulk’s Gamma Radiation… permanently and Bruce became Hulk again cause Surfer gave Bruce the gamma back… is why I said that Superman is physically superior but you have no idea how power The Power Cosmic is and what is can do. Silver Surfer is sadly a huge counter to Superman
"Goku, the muscles of your heart appear to be weaker and beating at an irregular rhythm. Cease all attacks against me, or I will be forced to exploit this." -Surfer
And on top of that superman was able to fight in the God sphere against Darkseid and superman with every single foot step superman was taking was shaking the entire God sphere making it outerversal and superman hit Darkseid so hard that he got stuck on the source wall itself and on top of that superman was able to fight against the anti monitor and the world forger who sits in the monitor sphere making it high outerversal because the monitor sphere sits above the God sphere okay and on top of that superman was able to destroy the anti monitor and with one punch superman destroyed a section of the monitor sphere and destroy an infant mutiversal and nocked unconscious the world forger okay and top of that superman was able to move in the source ard walk on the source wall itself okay the source and the source wall are the two highest plan of reality outside the DC mutivers ok it sits above the God sphere the monitor sphere the angles the great evil and the presence himself okay because of this that makes the source and the source wall beyond creation beyond boundles and beyond extraversal okay because of this that makes superman beyond creation beyond boundles and beyond extraversal okay what is jiren or the silver surfer going to do to superman nothing
And on top of that superman with one punch destroyed the source wall and left a planet size hole to remove high father's staff okay it is impossible to touch the source wall because you automatically become one with it and it has trapped some of the most powerful character in DC like true form darkseid and prepetua okay
Not to mention the development of his powers of creating a projection of himself, and he is now able to transcend matter, space, and time powering up to near Dr. Manhattan levels.
Have you actually read that story? Cus if you did, you would know the context behind that, and it's not something Superman could just naturally pull off. But nice try
DC has many writers and Superman has died before to the point where “power and imagination” couldn’t save him. Each universe has it’s own Superman where he lived and died. Yes, it’s a fact that he represents hope but, that means if he’s willing to live to save others or scarifies himself to save others.
Now I remember this question and I said Silver Surfer because he could exploit weaknesses but the Answer was Superman because for some reason Clark got stronger to a point where Kryptonite doesn't matter anymore
But that's still borderline a weakness of his that still affects him. He might resist it a long time and even push through but damage is still damage (similar to Venom or Martian Manhunter). And I mean, if peak humans can injure or beat Superman with kryptonite, why can't a guy who can control and create any type of energy, matter, radiation do the exact same?!
@bobitzathegodofcomedy5979 You are not wrong but the person who argued with me said Lex luthor tried using Kryptonite and it didn't do its job in harming Superman which I found absurd
Surfer may lose the battle for a moment but when he comes back and regenerates he dusts out Jiren in micro seconds and wins no problem. How anyone can come up with any other conclusion is unfathomable to me. He always comes back and wins.
@@njerisonko1384 Just like when Superman tanked the Anti-Life equation and then said "it tickled" in Death Metal and the Anti-Life is the counterpart to the Life equation which Kyle Rainer used to transcend The Source wall and then edit The Source itself.
Dan makes generalizations based on feat scaling and not full analysis of these characters abilities. We've seen Superman tank attacks billions of times more powerful than being Smashed by two planets regardless of size, like Darkseid's Omega Beams which have been Known to fully erase people from existence, and take punches from beings like Doomsday who can punch his way out of the Phantom Zone, a place of infinite size and space. We've seen Superman Survive being in black holes and time being collapsed around him, and be completely fine. Superman Regularly fights Gods, two, three at a time, and the best feat you can use is him getting sandwiched between two ginormous rocks, which Dan even downgraded a little but not on purpose i think. Most of Surfers powers are irrelevant anyway for fighting, because most characters are too powerful at this level for cheap tricks like that to work. If turning people into fish or air or something silly like that did work, then he would use it more in fights, but when you're able to take magical attacks from Magicly amped up Bizzaro( Action Comics 1061) Or can straight up resist being changed by an Mxyptlk powered Joker (Superman: Emperor Joker 160) at least until joker tricked him into lowering his mental barriers (i.e. made him doubt himself) but then just popped right out of it moments later, then powers like those are pointless. He didn't use it against Thanos who took down Surfer and the rest of the Defenders single-handedly, nor against Thor and the multiple times they fought, or Ben Grim who near trounces Surfer almost every time they battle. Hell even normal humans like Black Panther and Dr. Doom, who are not really normal but definitely not cosmic beings like Surfer, and yet are still able to somehow put Surfer in the dirt, and those powers are suppose matter now?? I'm not even saying that Superman would beat surfer, definitely Jiren because, let's face it, DBZ characters are just vastly overrated anyway. But come on, if you're going to rate battles then at least use real feats and not just the same ones over and over again please. I mean, they do know that Superman comics are still on-going, Right?
@@masterroshi1701 didn’t batman beat darkseid? i mean you can’t use batman as a damn way to down play superman he’s literally has plot armor to the max
@dreadheadjae06 whatever and I know. He's Batman bla bla bla. Well Superman has Plot Powers, the Swiss Army knife of "insert needed outcome" for writers. That should be the debate lol Plot Armor vs Plot Powers!
At their best silver surfer win 100% because he can simply absorb the energy from superman depowering him, he can even read the minds, travel the time, absorb energy and use it against his opponents, manipulate matter, he's infinitely fast, he's strong enough to fight against characters like hulk and thor (time ago, now both hulk and thor are simply too op), etc... Technically silver surfer can do everything in a fight and he's insanely powerful 🤷🏻♂️ however jiren isn't enough to be a match for both superman and silver surfer, he would die first but here even superman can't win, ss can depower him, read his mind to know what he's gonna do, and destroy him even without touching him
Jiren shook an endless void, that term itself isn’t even comprehensible. How do you shake something that’s infinite? Superman AND Shazam were struggling to hold that book, Jiren shook an INFINITE void with the energy emitting from him. The other two don’t have a comparable feat.
Its generally debatebel.But as a reminder ssj god Goku in the fight against Beerus was thretening to destroy the Universe,Afterlife,Supreme Kai world and Beerus planet. Essentialy 4 realms.SSJ Blue is around 50 times stronger when that and jiren was still beating Goku and vegeta in that forms.Dragenball Universe is absurd in termes of powers
This isn’t even close to being the best Superman but; I guess you have to nerf him to make him comparable to Giren. How does Supes lose in a fight of speed when his perception is just as fast, if not faster, than his travel speed. If you can hold a book with infinite pages, technically you have infinite strength. Also, in the comic series “ Thanos Wins” you cannot tell me either baseline Supes or Giren defeats a ‘Worthy’ dark Surfer. Superman 1million outclasses them both but, Giren isn’t even in the conversation. If a laser gun one shots Goku, and Goku held his own against Giren’s blast, how does Supes heat vision not strong enough. He lobotomized a superhuman being through his retinas. A;so, it’s not fair to gage who would win if it’s not a fight to the death. Surfer Win!
bruh he already said he dont want to put all version of superman his only take 3 version of superman and btw superman has too many version so people cant keep it up and jiren i can said he punch can literally break the realm itself u can watch when it come to gogeta vs broly they really break the realm and broly and jiren is close when it come to strenght
@@fazedaniel1483DB...did a far better break down and used the main continuity version ...supermans recent ability time and distance doesn't matter. In the DB fight Superman beat UI Goku who is far above Jiren....this makes no sense
@@fazedaniel1483 I acknowledge that he can only take certain versions but; why not get the best version to be better represented. Superbly Prime is a Superman that is waaaay stronger faster and punched through reality and has better feats. The Dr Manhattan-Superman is so freakin ridiculous. Also Superman’s heat vision wiped out an army of DoomsDays compared to when doomsday first kills him. They just need to put more respect on that S. He has waaaaay more battle experience than Giren to even be in the conversation.
Lol, are you 12. Gotenks slams both, and in talking about DBZ. Gotenks was able to change reality just by existing. Bruh 💀. That's like the max feat of every DC villain, yet the kid did it like it was a normal afternoon 💀💀.
I think silver surfer should probably end up winning a fight between him and Jiren while he does hold back a lot, I don’t think surfer is just gonna let Jiren beat up on him for the whole time and if he’s willing to go all out against characters like Thor, I don’t see why Jiren would be any different and one more problem is that surfer doesn’t have to go up close to win this fight even by your own logic. Surfer was way faster in travel speed even reaction speeds. It’s actually very likely he is faster. It’s also kind of likely he would just out last Jiren and because of the speed advantage, because based on what I heard from the video, it sounds like surfers reaction. Speed is faster than Jirens combat speed and the fact he can regenerate it really helps him here. It just makes me feel like Jiren will waste his energy or silver surfer will eventually be forced to use more powerful moves.
Jiren getting stomped by MUI Goku? Did you actually watch the show? Lmao this is why people keep joking about Dragon Ball fans not watching their own show. If you payed attention you'd be able to see that Goku didn't "stomp" anything, he went pretty even with him up to a certain point where he got the upper hand. Also, even with that Goku couldn't finish Jiren off due to his time limit and Jiren simply outlasted him with superior durability and endurance. Not to mention that it was later shown that Jiren, while weakened still had plenty of gas in the tank to give the remaining fighters trouble. It took 3 fighters to eventually take him down so yeah. Jiren never got "stomped" or lost either.
Silver surfer has cosmic awareness so can see superman weakness . So he could just make him self glow with red cosmic sunlight and superman would be a weakling and lose fast . So could Gerin keep up Silver surfer super speed ?
@@unholywarrior9007silver surfer can easily absorb all the superman's solar energy and all the ki energy from jiren to empower himself and to depower them, it would be easy to him to defeat both superman and jiren without killing them
Jiren shook an endless void, that’s unfathomable. These guys have feats that only exist in limited space. That’s unfathomable too but due to the space having limits, it’s more comprehensible because there’s a limit.
Surfer > Jiren > Superman. The hacks surfer has are way too great and perfectly counter superman’s abilities and exploit his weaknesses. And for Jiren, I think those hacks and versatile powers will be enough to overcome Jiren’s power. I understand your point about morals, but I think surfer has the ability to beat Jiren in a peaceful way thanks to his versatility, so I don’t think morals is enough to beat Surfer
@@chad_edit resist but is not impervious. Surfer could literally change the nearby star into a red sun or a giant ball of kryptonite. Drain the solar energy out of Sup and he's toast. This is not a fight, it's a whooping.
Dan literally said SS could atomize superman and Jiren when Ki always attacks on the atomic level and superman has resisted both high level reality warping and molecular manipulation on a consistent basis’s.
Good points. I wasn't aware that Silver Surfer could create Kryptonite. I did wonder if he could either drain Superman of his energy much like he drained the Hulk of his gamma radiation. Or could he simply turn the sun red and then drain Superman?
I have no problem with the winner. But I feel you down played Superman and over hyped jiren. Given the date of this video Superman has a lot more the just heat vision and super breath. Like solar flare, and energy manipulation abilites. And Superman can be atomized. God's and powerful magic user have tried. And as for silver surfer, he can't sense weakness hes just very observant.
@@uzookafor8721 so you can't power scale but that's ok everyone has their specialties and their Hicks that they're good at have a good day and I hope you find something you're good at
@@SIGMA-52 oh no bro,I am good at power scaling,if you are fanboys or a hater when it comes to power scaling fictional character don't even bother to talk to me, because I will just tell you the truth even if you don't like or not.i don't want to smell delusion this night 🌆.
@@uzookafor8721 come on bruv it's been 20 minutes mate where are you fam you're supposed to be the all-knowing power scaling god the truth is supposed to set everyone free enlighten them don't prove all the fanboys and heaters right by proving that you're an absolute joke
Have to strongly disagree with the durability conclusion. Yes i agree it can be fair to argue Jiren is pgysixally more durable however not really definetly arguable that its a maginutde more than Surfer. But the n Surfers Ace of being almost unkillable as he just reforms even from an atom or his board existing. That is ezactly that an Ace that trumps and outdoes the physical durability. So he is not Jiten equal he is auperior and so takes it.
Why not use the mainline current superman aka Infinite Frontier Superman? Why use a gimped lowballed version just for Jiren to even hang? Silver Surfer may be near Supes (potentially) but Jiren is nowhere near Superman's power. Stop hating on Superman you pleb.
Now this is a real good royal battle fight to see who would truly win against all of the greatest fighters from a different Universe combined into one who would really win
current superman yes but in the video his not picking current superman.and yes jiren more powerful then u even thought tournament of power has a rule that no killing it mean jiren is holding back too
Doesn't Jiren also hold back alot? In that tournament he was fighting to protect his universe and even then he was going easy alot of the time untill we got to the end. In a random encounter with these 2, I doubt Jiren would go all out either. I think in all 3 cases they'd just start testing each other out.
@@ether2275 I agree, jiren holds be but it's in arrogance.... He started to only fight back when he seen them so what as a threat... In a fight jiren wins, saving the universe silver surfer would atomize em
@@Auron1Roxas2 I don't think he inflated Jiren at all. He literally downplayed his physical strength and for a good reason. Dragon Ball characters generally don't show a ton of physical strength feats. It would only make sense to put him bellow the others, even if he has "more power" he doesn't have matching "strength" and there's a distinct difference here.
this is completely dumb, superman has punched space and time, he literally sneezed the solar system away, held black holes in his hand, he burst the bonds of infinity, dragged a galaxy, and fought thru the big bang to fix time and defeated the anti monitor, let alone cas fought mandrakk which the version of superman wipes them easily
He just doesn't know anything about Superman and what he stands for, and his current power upgrades that's why he always use same feats for Superman in every video
@Acnologia120 he broke through the barriers of DC and went to heaven and met God. That’s child’s play. Jiren, Goku, etc all trained with Gods and Angels. Goku literally knows the God of the DB universe, Zeno Sama.
@Acnologia120 he didn’t. He was about to but was stopped by another higher being. Forgot his name. But regardless, it’s impossible to compare the Dragonball Universe to the DCU. It wouldn’t even make sense to compare feats.
@Acnologia120 there is no “7th dimension” in Dragonball. But if you mean Superman getting to Heaven, we seen Kid Buu do that. He instantly teleported there. Didn’t have to fly through space faster than the speed of light to do it. We’ve also seen Goku do that a number of times with Instant Transmission. Try again. What else?
This video makes no ounce of sense. How do you make Jiren victorious. Dragon Ball verse to DC and Marvel verses is like comparing an invisible thought to an actual OMNIVERSE. They aren't relative in any way possible. Superman wins this. Runner up is Silver Surfer. Jiren isn't even remotely close. Throw in Black Frieza, The Angels or even Zalama, the result would be the same!
It is impossible for jiren to win because his is a 4th dimensional platform who is not powerful enough to go Past the 4th dimension ok superman is the one who wins this fight okay Superman can also manipulate time and time travel to the future or the past and superman can move faster than immeasurable and faster than irrelevant superman can move faster than negative zero time meaning superman arrives before he even left ok superman was able to move so fast that he shattered the very fabric of infinity itself on a high outerversal reality ok superman can move faster than attto seconds and faster than femtosecond okay jiren can only move faster than infant speed on a 3rd dimensional to 4th dimensional level And on top of that superman has better speed feats than silver surfer and just okay and on top of that superman has resistance against silver surfer power powers ok superman is resistance against atler reality matter manipulation time manipulation space manipulation dimensional manipulation sol manipulation anti extinction manipulation anti matter Manipulation death manipulation telekinesis and that is just scratching the surface superman has was more resisand ok
@@saverioaloi4907 Again, Superman doesn't have better speed feats than Silver Surfer. Ok, maybe in reflexes, but anything Superman has done speed-wise, SS has also done the same. And being resistent to something doesn't mean being immune to that stuff. Like sure, Superman has resisted matter manipulation...but he isn't immune to it and it will still cause him extra pain. Example, The Hulk is very resistent to telepathic attacks but he isn't immune to that (since Thanos has completely took over his mind). Plus, Superman doesn't have a clear way to beat Surfer aside from a flawless, long, drag-out fight where Surfer doesn't land one attack on him...which is clearly not gonna happen.
Superman is going to beat the silver surfer and jiren ok superman was able to fight in the God sphere and walk every single foot step that superman was taking was shaking the entire God sphere itself making it outerversal and on top of that with just one punch superman hit Darkseid so hard that he got stuck on the source wall itself superman was able to find again the anti monitor and the world forger who both seem in the monitor sphere making it high outerversal because it sits above the God sphere okay Superman was able to destroy the anti monitor and with one punch superman destroyed a section of the monitor sphere and destroyed an infant mutiversal and knocked the world forger unconscious and superman can also move in the source ard walk on the source wall and superman also has the source wall and left a planet size hole to remove high father's staff okay the source and the source wall are the 2 highest plan of reality outside the DC mutivers it sits above the God of the monitor sphere the angles the great evil and the presence himself because of this that makes the source and the source wall beyond creation beyond boundles and beyond extraversal okay because of this that makes superman beyond creation beyond boundles and beyond extraversal okay Superman with beat the silver surfer and jiren very easily
@@saverioaloi4907 So he does all those amazing things and Lex Luthor is his mortal enemy? Absolutley pathetic. Anyways, Superman isn't beating Silver Surfer and Jiren as "easily" as one mighr assume...questionable if he even lasts that long in the ring.
@bobitzathegodofcomedy5979 lmao 🤣 😂 😆 please stop being a delusional fan boy it is impossible for jiren to beat superman because jiren is a 4th dimensional character OK the dragon ball reality only has 2 dimensions the 3rd dimension and the 4th dimension ok and it only has 12 universe ok it doesn't have an infant mutiversal like DC and marvel have this was what toriamm the creator of dragon ball that jiren is only 4th dimensional OK and yes I no that silver sufer has outerversal feats ass well but because superman was the first character every created superman has more and better feats than the silver surfer ok superman has outerversal to high outerversal to creation to boundless to extraversal okay Superman wins
I mean, Goku couldn't technically beat Jiren either. Jiren outlasted him with his insane durability and superior endurance. It took multiple fighters to take down Jiren in the end so don't try to use that stupid logic here my guy.
Jiren winning this proves danco does not know how to properly scale these characters. Current Goku and Current Superman would literally backhand jiren to dust.
@@Spillybob yea this video uploader literally scaled everything wrong. Easily evident as current version of surfer and Superman easily scale above jiren. Goku scales above jiren currently as well.
Space, time, distance, current Superman is way above these concepts, plus he's now fighting against the dark army and winning. Fighting against Apex Lex Luthor. Dance needs to be current because current Superman will just solo silver surfer and jiren no problem. Dude is still downplaying Superman, who can resist every power in comic book
@@uzookafor8721Yeah, I was about to say that. This is the difference between someone who actually gets the intention behind writing next to someone who only sees what they want to see.
Space, Time, Distance….Jiren beat time (Hit), shook infinite space by powering up and was moving so fast God’s couldn’t keep up with all of his movements. So, he’s basically Dragon Ball’s Superman, which means he’s the maximum version of the character. Superman and the Silver Surfer are strong but they’ve never shaken infinite voids with their raw energy alone, he’s too strong for their attacks to hurt him if he’s paying attention. The word limit is what Jiren exists too break.
@@rupeniugavule3479 Jiren shook the infinite space surrounding the universes, not a single universe itself. We’ve only ever seen him lose to a character above God’s. What’s the other two going to do? Get beat down by a bunch of krillins again? 🤣🤣
5:27 well technically not transcended time aa hit's time capsule realm was just made for jiren alone and it was more of a higher power level being overpowing a lower power level being thing....it would have be transcending time if hit applied time jump on t.o.p level on almost every fighter in the match rendering them immobile with the exception pf jiren
It’s not overestimation he’s just stronger than Jiren 😭. All at their best (not bloodlusted but just using full power) it’s really a 1v1 between surfer and supes, and I’d lean towards supes because of superior combat speed and strength even though surfer has the versatility to exploit some of supes weaknesses
Lol Dan is DB fanboy. Constantly underrating Supes. Deathbattle did it better, without having to strawman a weak Supes. Jiren is severly outclassed. Supes solos the entire angel pantheon and every else, outside of Zeno.
Jiren wins it's to funny how Marvel and DC fan boys think their characters can beat everyone. I'm 66 years old been reading comics forever and they are inconsistent as hell. People just can't accept win someone new comes along and is more powerful than these characters who has loss to lesser beings.
DanCo has Officially Lost it....Jiren is no where near Stronger then Superman neither could he beat Silver Surfer or Superman he has better chances versing DCEU Superman then Comic Variants of Superman.(DanCo we can see your Bias from a Mile stop appealing to Dragon Ball Fans and bring back the Old DanCo who actually made Sense.)
@@DeeMeechie He's kinda overrated though you have to admit. Silver Surfer barely gets any recognition nowadays. Superman is constantly being pushed hard as a legacy character even though his gimmick of just being really powerful has gotten stale over the years.
@@ether2275 yes surfer is one of my all time favorites and is definitely underrated but superman isn’t overrated he’s simply just that broken … notice how dan had to nerf him and neither surfer or Jiren in this bc it could literally be bad for both Jiren and surfer very quickly respectfully … he couldn’t bring someone like dark crisis superman into this bc although surfer can find someone ms weakness immediately without being told dark crisis superman issa a form of superman that is beyond the IMAGINATION of any and or everything that can weaken, hold, stop him 😤😤😤 i get it for most ppl to strongly dislike superman but he is just THAT OP💯 it’s unfair but it is what it is🤷🏽♂️
@@DeeMeechie I never mentioned his strength but that is also pretty overrated tbh. People try to gas him up like their life depends on it. Same with Dragon Ball characters tbh. It all started from the whole Goku vs Superman fiasco, people started going crazy and their powerscaling meta got out of control. Every new thing that came out with Goku and Superman their fanboy armies tried to look through every little detail just to find an excuse to make their favorite character seem more powerful.
Action comics issue 1051 superman could trancend time space and matter he also had abilities like weight manipulation weather abilities mind abilities ( action comics issue 1061 superman demonstrated to have some of the presenc3 abilities and power he also overpowered the magic which created dc levels itself*
No hate to you dan co but This video is dead ass wrong And there is a few point ms why For 1 you didn't specify which superman or sliver sufer version Which could lead ppl to thinking it can be any version 2 your basied especially Towards marvel And 3 your scaling for all the character are terrible I will come out and say it superman slams its not even close Jiren at best is complex multiversal so he gets dog walk by yhe other two Silver surfer is strong but he isnt close to superman in ap dc durability or any version of speed All in all dc cosmology scale higher than marvel And superman has shown better feats and higher cosmology Superman wins we can debate on this if you like
@@madzivhandivhuwo1500 uhm because some of dc dimension scale higher than the entire of marvel examples the overvoid 6 and 5 dimension etc Notice not all of dc scale higher but the top tiers of dc cosmology scale higher than marvel top tiers cosmology
@@lucionjones8685 Superman scales higher in power than batman yet batman had taken a dump on Superman and other members of the JL. So scale doesn't mean jack ass in comics.
Scale actually does mean soemthing. When the Olympus sphere phantom Zone destroying threats arrive, it's superman who batman calls as he admits he is useless against Doomsday level threats. The top commenter is wrong though. Yes superman scales above surfer and jiren in current feats but the comsology of marvel and DC are both tier 0 and beyond if scaled properly. Current Superman is a fusion of all main timeline versions and can time travel now. Danco used outdated early 2000 feats once again in this video. Ita embaressing at how bad his scaling and arguements are. @@madzivhandivhuwo1500
Bla-bla-bla....the Surfer wins danco ! He doesn't use his full potential because of the comic writers lack of imagination ❗👎 And we are talking about powers and abilities, not about how clever are the comic writers !
-Iron Skull (Red Skull with an Iron Man Armor) vs Deathstroke -The Avengers (current line-up) vs The Crime Syndicate of America (New 52 version) -Cyborg vs Wolverine -Falcon vs Batwing (Luke Fox)
Pre-Video: My pick is the TOON (i.e. the DBZ roided out Grimace). Because nobody beats TOONS. They are ridiculously OP and break reality most of the times with unquantifiable feats . Let's see if this logic holds up..... Post Video Comment: I was right. The TOON won again. But DanCo broke his own logic in this video, in that he stated that Silver Surfer's weakness is that he always holds back, unless he is facing that rare super huge threat. But if Jiren has the power to defeat him, and is going for he win, then doesn't that qualify as such a threat? And how exactly does Jiren overcome Surfer's regenerative abilities? As you can tell, I disagree with the result because I think DanCo made the case for Surfer winning, and picked Jiren because of TOONFORCE rules.
But if we are using a composite version Superman has beaten some characters that outclasses both Silver Surfer and Jiren opponents by a non-factor level. World Forger for starter. Dr. M, who is way stronger than Silver Surfer boss couldn't erase him and Mr. myx is scared of Supe. Sometimes all these versus can be misleading because while on one hand you gave Superman no chance in another hand he's been trading blows with multiverse to Omniversal threats on a consistent basis. Take Darkside for example who also have all the powers in the book and Superman has consistently matched up with him and was not erased by his Omega beams. Well, it's your choice and I respect him. I personally think Captain Atom has more potential than Silver Surfer and Superman is even rated ahead of Him. What do I even know🤷
Oh, Fyi.. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS COMBAT SPEED! What you're referring to is a thing called combat reflexes, which is how fast someone can react to danger in a fight. Speed is universal, meaning it's the same whatever you apply it to. You can use it for anything, running, jumping, throwing a ball, anything that requires motion and if it's a trained response..ie fighting, then the faster you are, the better you are do it. So can Usain Bolt punch as fast as Bruce Lee, absolutely, maybe faster depending on physical advantages and having the right kind of training, but combat speed is not a thing.
Using the Silver Surfer in these fights is unfair. Simply put, he's got the Power Cosmic which has certain passive aspects that make him extra dangerous. Specifically the instinctive knowledge of any opponent he faces' weakness(es). And then he can manifest the perfect attack against that weakness. Superman is out before the fight even starts because of this. His physical attributes are basically what he decides it is. He absorbs any energy directed at him. Combine these and neither of these opponents can really hope to win against him. Sorry Dan. You are incorrect here, even with accounting for my bias. Basically, the Surfer shouldn't be used in most of these contests.
It’s estimated that it would take light 20 billion years to go from one side of the universe to the other, so Supe traveled 10 billion light years in 60’days. PDQ!
Superman's powers are derived from yellow sun radiation; Surfer with the power cosmic can molecularly change the sun to emit red sun radiation. In terms of raw physical power, remember Surfer can increase his own super strength through the power cosmic to incalculable levels at will that can match/exceed against opponents. Surfer's durability allows him to withstand impacts against celestial objects and survive in event horizon of black holes.
Superman is my favorite superhero but didn't surfer once absorb all the gamma out of hulk? So couldn't he do the same thing with Superman's solar energy
One thing I do like about the Dragonball universe is that by-in large the characters have to actually earn their power. You even see young, weak Jiren who had to work his whole life to attain the power he has. Too many DC and Marvel characters are just gifted their powers. Not all, but most.
Bro your just s biased dbz fan ,who is butt hurt because goku lost to superman in the death battle, superman will beat jiren and siver surfer too , Superman's feats , strength and he's will of hope will overcome in the end
Jiren winning when Goku vrs Supes is an ongoing debate? Meanwhile, Goku already beat Jiren This fight is between Supes and Surfer and Surfer's cosmic manipulation is what will give him the edge Simple
Go watch Deathbattle because they show you everything superman can do Superman overcome kryptonite, magic, and the red sun He literally lifted both infinity and eternity
The man never mentioned the use of magic or green stone... sup source of power 🔋 which is solar energy can also be exploited and the even if he no longer need the sup due to being charged he still need the energy he absorbed... so in a fight with anyone that can manipulate energy sup lose. He has a better chance of beating Jiren than surfer but he's not beating Jiren either
Put some respect on Silver Surfer. He's a lot more powerful than people give him credit for. He's a pacifist by nature and doesnt enjoy fighting.
Tbh he kinda like that God for gow they super strong but just don't like to fight
GREAT 👌 DANCO SUPERMAN VS SILVER SURFER 🏄 VS JIREN THE GREY SERIOUSLY,,
That was the whole reason he loses this fight. He's a pacifist
Yes silver surfer is very powerful but he is not winning from jiren....Jiren at his 10 percent of powers came out of time loop defeating the rules of time....
Surfer has showed much more mastery over time.@@deenitish
Silver Surfer will go easy at first but after he knows they mean business, it will end quickly.
But always loses to thanos
@@ShoeHefner757 I mean so would the others lol
@@ShoeHefner757 the same thanos who made hulk his pet
@@Jaywiz919 that was a different versions of both thanos and surfer. I’m referring to the canon versions of them.
@@ShoeHefner757 Thanos is a higher level of power and intellect with greater experience than the Silver Surfer.
He says surfer has every power in the book but still loses
Its called writing. This is like how batman beats everyone as a mere man the surfer allowed to use all his power neg diffs most DC players.
Scottie Pippen was a more versatile player than Michael Jordan, but who’s better?
@@ShoeHefner757 most people are too young to get that example.
@@ShoeHefner757are you serious? MJ could do everything Pippen could do and do it better and more. Better analogy would be Magic being more versatile…
Thor has beat silver surfer. Supes can too.
This is wack😂... He's degrading superman... Supes broke the very bond of infinitude with his speed bro... Durability, surviving the destruction of new genesis and apokolips... Matching darkseid... Dan just hates superman😂😂😂. I'm sorry for you
Usually he seems to be a DC boy. But he was low key handicapping Surfer as well by saying he wasn’t gonna go all out even tho it likely would be a life or death fight..
Jiren is definitely outplayed here, fight is between Superman and Surfer.
Current Superman is extremely OP these days, he’s definitely Surfer’s superior in physicality plus equal speed if not slightly higher, problem is… Surfer’s Power Cosmic… is extremely versatile and has so many abilities, especially energy absorption, he did it with Hulk and permanently took away Bruce’s Gamma Radiation and only reason Hulk got is back was cause Surfer gave it back, he can do the same with Clark’s solar energy, and he can do so much more than just shoot cosmic lasers and absorb energy… Surfer is waaaaaay to versatile
If superman fans could read this they'd be very upset right now 🤣
You're brave to be spreadin the truth like that.
@@chriswhite9201you know Superman can do the exact same right? And Superman is way too strong and fast for surfer, superman wins easily
@@epsyfn absorb energy, or more exactly, rip someone’s energy from its body? Manipulate matter? Getting destroyed into pieces and just regenerate from that? Nah he can’t
@@Daniel-si7zp My problem with the assertion "stands no chance" against the Surfer is that Supe regularly goes up against Darkside who also has all the power in the book at an unprecedented levels and isn't shy at using them.
Surfer has been regularly slapped and beaten by Thanos who is lesser in powers compared to Darkside. Worse yet is that Thanos perceived Gladiator as the most dangerous one of the defender team. Don't you think that its a downer on the side of the Surfer. He has all powers but has been regularly beaten by other powerhouses and Supe stand no chance? Yeah right...
Once one is versatile in powers you guys just envision a must always win for that person. Not true!!!
@@richmanezihuo7214 the problem is not that Superman doesn’t stand a chance, he does, but Silver Surfer counters heavily most of Clark’s abilities, and he can drain his powers, Clark has a bad career with people stealing his powers, such as Parasite, Silver Surfer can drain Superman out of his solar energy faster than he can absorb, is literally the same thing for when Hulk and Silver Surfer fought. Hulk is of course much stronger than Silver Surfer, yet Surfer won by draining Hulk’s Gamma Radiation… permanently and Bruce became Hulk again cause Surfer gave Bruce the gamma back… is why I said that Superman is physically superior but you have no idea how power The Power Cosmic is and what is can do.
Silver Surfer is sadly a huge counter to Superman
"Goku, the muscles of your heart appear to be weaker and beating at an irregular rhythm. Cease all attacks against me, or I will be forced to exploit this." -Surfer
Even if we handicapped Silver Surfer he'll still be AT as well as ON 100% for the remainder of whatever time we (the humans) give Silver Surfer
And on top of that superman was able to fight in the God sphere against Darkseid and superman with every single foot step superman was taking was shaking the entire God sphere making it outerversal and superman hit Darkseid so hard that he got stuck on the source wall itself and on top of that superman was able to fight against the anti monitor and the world forger who sits in the monitor sphere making it high outerversal because the monitor sphere sits above the God sphere okay and on top of that superman was able to destroy the anti monitor and with one punch superman destroyed a section of the monitor sphere and destroy an infant mutiversal and nocked unconscious the world forger okay and top of that superman was able to move in the source ard walk on the source wall itself okay the source and the source wall are the two highest plan of reality outside the DC mutivers ok it sits above the God sphere the monitor sphere the angles the great evil and the presence himself okay because of this that makes the source and the source wall beyond creation beyond boundles and beyond extraversal okay because of this that makes superman beyond creation beyond boundles and beyond extraversal okay what is jiren or the silver surfer going to do to superman nothing
And on top of that superman with one punch destroyed the source wall and left a planet size hole to remove high father's staff okay it is impossible to touch the source wall because you automatically become one with it and it has trapped some of the most powerful character in DC like true form darkseid and prepetua okay
Superman is faster than imagination in the comics, he one shots the world forger
And because of that it means Superman wins. I am a DBZ fan since 1994 but also a Superman fan since 1963. Superman rules.
Not to mention the development of his powers of creating a projection of himself, and he is now able to transcend matter, space, and time powering up to near Dr. Manhattan levels.
Why wasn't this mentioned @@Stitchman3875
Have you actually read that story? Cus if you did, you would know the context behind that, and it's not something Superman could just naturally pull off. But nice try
DC has many writers and Superman has died before to the point where “power and imagination” couldn’t save him. Each universe has it’s own Superman where he lived and died. Yes, it’s a fact that he represents hope but, that means if he’s willing to live to save others or scarifies himself to save others.
Now I remember this question and I said Silver Surfer because he could exploit weaknesses but the Answer was Superman because for some reason Clark got stronger to a point where Kryptonite doesn't matter anymore
But that's still borderline a weakness of his that still affects him. He might resist it a long time and even push through but damage is still damage (similar to Venom or Martian Manhunter).
And I mean, if peak humans can injure or beat Superman with kryptonite, why can't a guy who can control and create any type of energy, matter, radiation do the exact same?!
@bobitzathegodofcomedy5979 You are not wrong but the person who argued with me said Lex luthor tried using Kryptonite and it didn't do its job in harming Superman which I found absurd
that dont matter though, cause silver surfer could literally just suck the solar radiation taking away his powers he receives from the sun.
@KingPigeon5988 Nice that is true also fun fact this is the second time I voted Silver Surfer
@@LeonardoTyrone-sr4qzsame, silver surfer is a menace, much bigger of one than people think.
Based off feats, superman wins in seconds
And based on power sets, weaknesses and feats, he doesn't.
Keep dreamin', Superman fans.
Ss destroy
The gray wins
Superman destroys. Current Superman>>>>>>>>Surfer>>>>Goku>Jiren
Exactly.
Your insane bro
It's about time a channel puts a Dragonball character over Superman
Surfer may lose the battle for a moment but when he comes back and regenerates he dusts out Jiren in micro seconds and wins no problem. How anyone can come up with any other conclusion is unfathomable to me. He always comes back and wins.
Surfer can die. He can be killed. He may be marvels most powerful hero but he's not invincible.
This one was fun. Surfer's character is one of my favorite in Marvel.
Superman >>>Silver Surfer >>>Jiren.
Superman is much stronger and than how you explained.
Silver Surfer and Jiren team up to ambush Superman and throw their biggest blast:
Superman: "it tickles"
@@BARDOCK550 😂 Yeah.
@@njerisonko1384 Just like when Superman tanked the Anti-Life equation and then said "it tickled" in Death Metal and the Anti-Life is the counterpart to the Life equation which Kyle Rainer used to transcend The Source wall and then edit The Source itself.
@@BARDOCK550 Exactly. There are other feats of Superman that are way better than ones this guy listed on the video.
@@njerisonko1384Danco has always heavily favored Marvel as the OP publication he believes if u beat Superman you beat all of DC.
Imagine being so powerful that you have to "fake" being knocked out lmao 😂 Superman is the most powerful superhero of all time.
Being most iconic doesn't mean he is the most powerful...not even close.
Franklin Richards?
@@bobitzathegodofcomedy5979basically it does. He’s going to win because of the name. No one buys surfer movies
@@Spooky_515 So Superman should win (even tho he clearly shouldn't) because he sells better? That's your logic?
@@Spooky_515what is that logic🤦♂️
Dan makes generalizations based on feat scaling and not full analysis of these characters abilities. We've seen Superman tank attacks billions of times more powerful than being Smashed by two planets regardless of size, like Darkseid's Omega Beams which have been Known to fully erase people from existence, and take punches from beings like Doomsday who can punch his way out of the Phantom Zone, a place of infinite size and space. We've seen Superman Survive being in black holes and time being collapsed around him, and be completely fine. Superman Regularly fights Gods, two, three at a time, and the best feat you can use is him getting sandwiched between two ginormous rocks, which Dan even downgraded a little but not on purpose i think. Most of Surfers powers are irrelevant anyway for fighting, because most characters are too powerful at this level for cheap tricks like that to work. If turning people into fish or air or something silly like that did work, then he would use it more in fights, but when you're able to take magical attacks from Magicly amped up Bizzaro( Action Comics 1061) Or can straight up resist being changed by an Mxyptlk powered Joker (Superman: Emperor Joker 160) at least until joker tricked him into lowering his mental barriers (i.e. made him doubt himself) but then just popped right out of it moments later, then powers like those are pointless. He didn't use it against Thanos who took down Surfer and the rest of the Defenders single-handedly, nor against Thor and the multiple times they fought, or Ben Grim who near trounces Surfer almost every time they battle. Hell even normal humans like Black Panther and Dr. Doom, who are not really normal but definitely not cosmic beings like Surfer, and yet are still able to somehow put Surfer in the dirt, and those powers are suppose matter now?? I'm not even saying that Superman would beat surfer, definitely Jiren because, let's face it, DBZ characters are just vastly overrated anyway. But come on, if you're going to rate battles then at least use real feats and not just the same ones over and over again please. I mean, they do know that Superman comics are still on-going, Right?
...and loses to Batman and Lex lol
Lex?? You mean mister insecure? Only thing Lex is beating is Darkside at being the most overrated Superman villain. lol @@masterroshi1701
@@masterroshi1701 didn’t batman beat darkseid? i mean you can’t use batman as a damn way to down play superman he’s literally has plot armor to the max
@@dreadheadjae06 Truth hurts
@dreadheadjae06 whatever and I know. He's Batman bla bla bla. Well Superman has Plot Powers, the Swiss Army knife of "insert needed outcome" for writers. That should be the debate lol Plot Armor vs Plot Powers!
Danco is using Jiran and Silver Surfer as a proxy for Goku and Thor.
Surfer definitely wins. Energy and matter manipulation have no answers from the other two.
same with dr.Manhattan, and even he couldnt stop superman
At their best silver surfer win 100% because he can simply absorb the energy from superman depowering him, he can even read the minds, travel the time, absorb energy and use it against his opponents, manipulate matter, he's infinitely fast, he's strong enough to fight against characters like hulk and thor (time ago, now both hulk and thor are simply too op), etc... Technically silver surfer can do everything in a fight and he's insanely powerful 🤷🏻♂️ however jiren isn't enough to be a match for both superman and silver surfer, he would die first but here even superman can't win, ss can depower him, read his mind to know what he's gonna do, and destroy him even without touching him
You did a a better expplanation
Superman and silver surfer are leagues above jiren
How power ful do you think Jiren is?
Jiren shook an endless void, that term itself isn’t even comprehensible. How do you shake something that’s infinite?
Superman AND Shazam were struggling to hold that book, Jiren shook an INFINITE void with the energy emitting from him. The other two don’t have a comparable feat.
@@OliverSkatt03superman shook the phantom zone,so what
Its generally debatebel.But as a reminder ssj god Goku in the fight against Beerus was thretening to destroy the Universe,Afterlife,Supreme Kai world and Beerus planet.
Essentialy 4 realms.SSJ Blue is around 50 times stronger when that and jiren was still beating Goku and vegeta in that forms.Dragenball Universe is absurd in termes of powers
Delusional
Norrin stomps them both.
Surfer stomps
This isn’t even close to being the best Superman but; I guess you have to nerf him to make him comparable to Giren. How does Supes lose in a fight of speed when his perception is just as fast, if not faster, than his travel speed. If you can hold a book with infinite pages, technically you have infinite strength. Also, in the comic series “ Thanos Wins” you cannot tell me either baseline Supes or Giren defeats a ‘Worthy’ dark Surfer. Superman 1million outclasses them both but, Giren isn’t even in the conversation. If a laser gun one shots Goku, and Goku held his own against Giren’s blast, how does Supes heat vision not strong enough. He lobotomized a superhuman being through his retinas. A;so, it’s not fair to gage who would win if it’s not a fight to the death. Surfer Win!
bruh he already said he dont want to put all version of superman his only take 3 version of superman and btw superman has too many version so people cant keep it up and jiren i can said he punch can literally break the realm itself u can watch when it come to gogeta vs broly they really break the realm and broly and jiren is close when it come to strenght
@@fazedaniel1483DB...did a far better break down and used the main continuity version ...supermans recent ability time and distance doesn't matter. In the DB fight Superman beat UI Goku who is far above Jiren....this makes no sense
@@fazedaniel1483 I acknowledge that he can only take certain versions but; why not get the best version to be better represented. Superbly Prime is a Superman that is waaaay stronger faster and punched through reality and has better feats. The Dr Manhattan-Superman is so freakin ridiculous. Also Superman’s heat vision wiped out an army of DoomsDays compared to when doomsday first kills him. They just need to put more respect on that S. He has waaaaay more battle experience than Giren to even be in the conversation.
@@fazedaniel1483 explained it perfectly for these slow ass Superman fans to understand 🤦
It’s Silver Surfer and it’s not even close
wrong
i dont even need to watch the video, jiren wins
Wrong, surfer can just amp his power and has greater feats.😂@@harrydonald7305
True silver win
Dr Fate vs Goku
Batman vs Megamind
John Wick vs Deadshot
Captain America vs Agent 47
Wonder Woman vs Vegeta
goku slams, batman wins, deadshot wins, agent 47 wins, vegeta slams
@harrydonald7305 lmfao. Dr. Fate and wonder both slam those two bro what are you on😂
Dr fate
Batman
Dead shot
Captain America
Wonder woman
Lol, are you 12. Gotenks slams both, and in talking about DBZ. Gotenks was able to change reality just by existing. Bruh 💀. That's like the max feat of every DC villain, yet the kid did it like it was a normal afternoon 💀💀.
I think silver surfer should probably end up winning a fight between him and Jiren while he does hold back a lot, I don’t think surfer is just gonna let Jiren beat up on him for the whole time and if he’s willing to go all out against characters like Thor, I don’t see why Jiren would be any different and one more problem is that surfer doesn’t have to go up close to win this fight even by your own logic. Surfer was way faster in travel speed even reaction speeds. It’s actually very likely he is faster. It’s also kind of likely he would just out last Jiren and because of the speed advantage, because based on what I heard from the video, it sounds like surfers reaction. Speed is faster than Jirens combat speed and the fact he can regenerate it really helps him here. It just makes me feel like Jiren will waste his energy or silver surfer will eventually be forced to use more powerful moves.
Sorry that text is really long I just wanted to explain my opinion
Jiren who got stomped by MUI Goku? lol Superman>>>Goku>>>Jiren
depends on the Superman version but yes
He didn't get stomped he simply burned out
he did get stomped what@@dfreeman251
Jiren getting stomped by MUI Goku? Did you actually watch the show? Lmao this is why people keep joking about Dragon Ball fans not watching their own show. If you payed attention you'd be able to see that Goku didn't "stomp" anything, he went pretty even with him up to a certain point where he got the upper hand. Also, even with that Goku couldn't finish Jiren off due to his time limit and Jiren simply outlasted him with superior durability and endurance. Not to mention that it was later shown that Jiren, while weakened still had plenty of gas in the tank to give the remaining fighters trouble. It took 3 fighters to eventually take him down so yeah. Jiren never got "stomped" or lost either.
In the Manga didn't Jiren beat MUI and shook infinity by existing also MUI ain't no joke
Lol at Jiren winning this, Norrin is leagues above, he can and has fought creation level beings and is well above Jiren.
Silver surfer has cosmic awareness so can see superman weakness . So he could just make him self glow with red cosmic sunlight and superman would be a weakling and lose fast . So could Gerin keep up Silver surfer super speed ?
@@unholywarrior9007silver surfer can easily absorb all the superman's solar energy and all the ki energy from jiren to empower himself and to depower them, it would be easy to him to defeat both superman and jiren without killing them
Jiren shook an endless void, that’s unfathomable. These guys have feats that only exist in limited space. That’s unfathomable too but due to the space having limits, it’s more comprehensible because there’s a limit.
Cope.
@@OliverSkatt03 The universes outlined are completely different in scale in Marvel to DBZ, Jiren doesn’t compare.
Surfer > Jiren > Superman.
The hacks surfer has are way too great and perfectly counter superman’s abilities and exploit his weaknesses. And for Jiren, I think those hacks and versatile powers will be enough to overcome Jiren’s power. I understand your point about morals, but I think surfer has the ability to beat Jiren in a peaceful way thanks to his versatility, so I don’t think morals is enough to beat Surfer
Lol nice joke superman >>>>jiren...don't have much idea about silver surfer so not gonna be able to compare him
True i think jiren can beat clark
Surfer is telepathic! He could make them think they are 6 year old girls and braid there hair. Not even a fight.
Superman can resist that!
@@chad_edit resist but is not impervious. Surfer could literally change the nearby star into a red sun or a giant ball of kryptonite. Drain the solar energy out of Sup and he's toast. This is not a fight, it's a whooping.
Someone tell Dan that Darkseid has matter manipulation... Why hasn't he used it on superman?... Damn superman is just that powerful, forget Dan😂
Dan literally said SS could atomize superman and Jiren when Ki always attacks on the atomic level and superman has resisted both high level reality warping and molecular manipulation on a consistent basis’s.
All I got to say is this… this is the content I want. Amazing video.
Good points. I wasn't aware that Silver Surfer could create Kryptonite. I did wonder if he could either drain Superman of his energy much like he drained the Hulk of his gamma radiation. Or could he simply turn the sun red and then drain Superman?
He could do that with ease. And he wouldn't brake a sweat
I have no problem with the winner. But I feel you down played Superman and over hyped jiren. Given the date of this video Superman has a lot more the just heat vision and super breath. Like solar flare, and energy manipulation abilites. And Superman can be atomized. God's and powerful magic user have tried. And as for silver surfer, he can't sense weakness hes just very observant.
Historically accurate.
I'm sorry but silver surface slapping both of them with very minimal effort he's too powerful has too much AP and got way too many hacks
Super man>>Jiren>>silver surfer (low to mid end scaling).
@@uzookafor8721 so you can't power scale but that's ok everyone has their specialties and their Hicks that they're good at have a good day and I hope you find something you're good at
@@SIGMA-52 oh no bro,I am good at power scaling,if you are fanboys or a hater when it comes to power scaling fictional character don't even bother to talk to me, because I will just tell you the truth even if you don't like or not.i don't want to smell delusion this night 🌆.
@@uzookafor8721 come on bruv it's been 20 minutes mate where are you fam you're supposed to be the all-knowing power scaling god the truth is supposed to set everyone free enlighten them don't prove all the fanboys and heaters right by proving that you're an absolute joke
@@SIGMA-52 what makes you think silver surfer slaps both Jiren and Clark.can you even Guage how power ful is infinite frontier superman and Jiren
Have to strongly disagree with the durability conclusion. Yes i agree it can be fair to argue Jiren is pgysixally more durable however not really definetly arguable that its a maginutde more than Surfer. But the n Surfers Ace of being almost unkillable as he just reforms even from an atom or his board existing. That is ezactly that an Ace that trumps and outdoes the physical durability. So he is not Jiten equal he is auperior and so takes it.
Before watching it's between the Silver Surfer and Jiren
Superman Without A Doubt 💯
Loses and it not even a contest, so yea I agree with you
Superman solos the DragonBall verse 😂 also Peak Superman would solo 99% of Marvel😂
@@BARDOCK550 Do people still think Superman solos Marvel? 😂
Sad, just krutakin' sad.
@@BARDOCK550 Dragon Ball, yes. Not Marvel. There are many Marvel heavy hitters that would contend with Kal El.
@@BARDOCK550Solo marvel?😂😂😂😂
Poor kid😂
Surfer wins this bro should do a video of Dr manhattan vs The beyonder
beyonder demolishes thats not a fair match up
Why not use the mainline current superman aka Infinite Frontier Superman? Why use a gimped lowballed version just for Jiren to even hang? Silver Surfer may be near Supes (potentially) but Jiren is nowhere near Superman's power. Stop hating on Superman you pleb.
Didnt superman knock out a multiversal being ? How does he lose ? 🙄🤔
Now this is a real good royal battle fight to see who would truly win against all of the greatest fighters from a different Universe combined into one who would really win
As a Superman, Silver Surfer, and Jiren fan, Surfer definitely wins
Current super man>>Jiren>>silver surfer (low to mid end scaling).
Man the thumb nail is RAW 🔥🔥🔥🥶. Jiren is looking tight.
current superman yes but in the video his not picking current superman.and yes jiren more powerful then u even thought tournament of power has a rule that no killing it mean jiren is holding back too
@@fazedaniel1483 Jiren is 7d to low hyperversal.current super man has hyperversal to outerversal feats
@@fazedaniel1483 yes you are right
Actually a pretty accurate breakdown...
Superman and surfer weakness is holding back to much...
Doesn't Jiren also hold back alot? In that tournament he was fighting to protect his universe and even then he was going easy alot of the time untill we got to the end. In a random encounter with these 2, I doubt Jiren would go all out either. I think in all 3 cases they'd just start testing each other out.
@@ether2275 I agree, jiren holds be but it's in arrogance.... He started to only fight back when he seen them so what as a threat... In a fight jiren wins, saving the universe silver surfer would atomize em
@@coupeboys I guess I can agree with that.
It's not accurate as he is missing a lot of information on Superman and has no idea what jiren's actually stats are and incredibly inflated them.
@@Auron1Roxas2 I don't think he inflated Jiren at all. He literally downplayed his physical strength and for a good reason. Dragon Ball characters generally don't show a ton of physical strength feats. It would only make sense to put him bellow the others, even if he has "more power" he doesn't have matching "strength" and there's a distinct difference here.
Dammit Silver Surfer, this is the second time you get owned in a straight row!
this is completely dumb, superman has punched space and time, he literally sneezed the solar system away, held black holes in his hand, he burst the bonds of infinity, dragged a galaxy, and fought thru the big bang to fix time and defeated the anti monitor, let alone cas fought mandrakk which the version of superman wipes them easily
He just doesn't know anything about Superman and what he stands for, and his current power upgrades that's why he always use same feats for Superman in every video
He did give Superman the strength category, what are you talking about?
@@ether2275 everytime i watch his vids he gives the same feats over and over. superman wipes the damn dragon ball z dude silver surfer i don’t know
@@ether2275 since dragon ball z people have so many power ups then let’s use superman strongest form and he wipes simple
Silver Surfer can increase his strength so Superman isn’t stronger also Surfer can absorb the solar energy out of Superman or create kryptonite.
You say that light,e that's a new thing superman has gone up against 😂
@@lockjaw9793 Stop! Superman can’t beat everybody. He’s the most overrated superhero in comics he’s still an alien.
@@offtoplutodidnt say he can beat everybody
I'm bet someone in comment saying "but both has superior cosmology than Jiren" STFU this is not SCP type video.
The "no fun allowed" squad lol
In the manga, Jiren flew across his universe in seconds to save the pride troopers. He’s definitely faster than Superman.
then gets tagged by godzilla
@Acnologia120 he broke through the barriers of DC and went to heaven and met God. That’s child’s play. Jiren, Goku, etc all trained with Gods and Angels. Goku literally knows the God of the DB universe, Zeno Sama.
@Acnologia120 he didn’t. He was about to but was stopped by another higher being. Forgot his name. But regardless, it’s impossible to compare the Dragonball Universe to the DCU. It wouldn’t even make sense to compare feats.
@Acnologia120 it is hard. Tell me a Superman feat that no character in Dragonball already accomplished.
@Acnologia120 there is no “7th dimension” in Dragonball. But if you mean Superman getting to Heaven, we seen Kid Buu do that. He instantly teleported there. Didn’t have to fly through space faster than the speed of light to do it. We’ve also seen Goku do that a number of times with Instant Transmission.
Try again. What else?
This video makes no ounce of sense. How do you make Jiren victorious. Dragon Ball verse to DC and Marvel verses is like comparing an invisible thought to an actual OMNIVERSE. They aren't relative in any way possible. Superman wins this. Runner up is Silver Surfer. Jiren isn't even remotely close. Throw in Black Frieza, The Angels or even Zalama, the result would be the same!
Out of these three I'm gonna side with Silver Surfer. Altho it would be kinda shocking if Jiren ends up taking it all.
It is impossible for jiren to win because his is a 4th dimensional platform who is not powerful enough to go Past the 4th dimension ok superman is the one who wins this fight okay Superman can also manipulate time and time travel to the future or the past and superman can move faster than immeasurable and faster than irrelevant superman can move faster than negative zero time meaning superman arrives before he even left ok superman was able to move so fast that he shattered the very fabric of infinity itself on a high outerversal reality ok superman can move faster than attto seconds and faster than femtosecond okay jiren can only move faster than infant speed on a 3rd dimensional to 4th dimensional level
And on top of that superman has better speed feats than silver surfer and just okay and on top of that superman has resistance against silver surfer power powers ok superman is resistance against atler reality matter manipulation time manipulation space manipulation dimensional manipulation sol manipulation anti extinction manipulation anti matter Manipulation death manipulation telekinesis and that is just scratching the surface superman has was more resisand ok
@@saverioaloi4907 Again, Superman doesn't have better speed feats than Silver Surfer. Ok, maybe in reflexes, but anything Superman has done speed-wise, SS has also done the same.
And being resistent to something doesn't mean being immune to that stuff.
Like sure, Superman has resisted matter manipulation...but he isn't immune to it and it will still cause him extra pain.
Example, The Hulk is very resistent to telepathic attacks but he isn't immune to that (since Thanos has completely took over his mind).
Plus, Superman doesn't have a clear way to beat Surfer aside from a flawless, long, drag-out fight where Surfer doesn't land one attack on him...which is clearly not gonna happen.
Superman is going to beat the silver surfer and jiren ok superman was able to fight in the God sphere and walk every single foot step that superman was taking was shaking the entire God sphere itself making it outerversal and on top of that with just one punch superman hit Darkseid so hard that he got stuck on the source wall itself superman was able to find again the anti monitor and the world forger who both seem in the monitor sphere making it high outerversal because it sits above the God sphere okay Superman was able to destroy the anti monitor and with one punch superman destroyed a section of the monitor sphere and destroyed an infant mutiversal and knocked the world forger unconscious and superman can also move in the source ard walk on the source wall and superman also has the source wall and left a planet size hole to remove high father's staff okay the source and the source wall are the 2 highest plan of reality outside the DC mutivers it sits above the God of the monitor sphere the angles the great evil and the presence himself because of this that makes the source and the source wall beyond creation beyond boundles and beyond extraversal okay because of this that makes superman beyond creation beyond boundles and beyond extraversal okay Superman with beat the silver surfer and jiren very easily
@@saverioaloi4907 So he does all those amazing things and Lex Luthor is his mortal enemy? Absolutley pathetic.
Anyways, Superman isn't beating Silver Surfer and Jiren as "easily" as one mighr assume...questionable if he even lasts that long in the ring.
@bobitzathegodofcomedy5979 lmao 🤣 😂 😆 please stop being a delusional fan boy it is impossible for jiren to beat superman because jiren is a 4th dimensional character OK the dragon ball reality only has 2 dimensions the 3rd dimension and the 4th dimension ok and it only has 12 universe ok it doesn't have an infant mutiversal like DC and marvel have this was what toriamm the creator of dragon ball that jiren is only 4th dimensional OK and yes I no that silver sufer has outerversal feats ass well but because superman was the first character every created superman has more and better feats than the silver surfer ok superman has outerversal to high outerversal to creation to boundless to extraversal okay Superman wins
So Jiren beats Superman but Goku doesn't? Got it
😂😂😂
I mean, Goku couldn't technically beat Jiren either. Jiren outlasted him with his insane durability and superior endurance. It took multiple fighters to take down Jiren in the end so don't try to use that stupid logic here my guy.
Jiren winning this proves danco does not know how to properly scale these characters.
Current Goku and Current Superman would literally backhand jiren to dust.
@ether2275 umm Goku is much stronger now than Jiren so don't try that dumb ass logic now my guy
@@Spillybob yea this video uploader literally scaled everything wrong. Easily evident as current version of surfer and Superman easily scale above jiren. Goku scales above jiren currently as well.
Space, time, distance, current Superman is way above these concepts, plus he's now fighting against the dark army and winning. Fighting against Apex Lex Luthor.
Dance needs to be current because current Superman will just solo silver surfer and jiren no problem.
Dude is still downplaying Superman, who can resist every power in comic book
Super man is not above these concepts,he just said they have largely lost their meaning to him,he's not above all the concepts.
@@uzookafor8721Yeah, I was about to say that. This is the difference between someone who actually gets the intention behind writing next to someone who only sees what they want to see.
Space, Time, Distance….Jiren beat time (Hit), shook infinite space by powering up and was moving so fast God’s couldn’t keep up with all of his movements. So, he’s basically Dragon Ball’s Superman, which means he’s the maximum version of the character.
Superman and the Silver Surfer are strong but they’ve never shaken infinite voids with their raw energy alone, he’s too strong for their attacks to hurt him if he’s paying attention.
The word limit is what Jiren exists too break.
@OliverSkatt03 That doesn't mean anything when the dc universe is infinite and bigger. Dragon ball z only has 12 universe. What's jiren gonna do lol
@@rupeniugavule3479 Jiren shook the infinite space surrounding the universes, not a single universe itself. We’ve only ever seen him lose to a character above God’s. What’s the other two going to do? Get beat down by a bunch of krillins again? 🤣🤣
5:27 well technically not transcended time aa hit's time capsule realm was just made for jiren alone and it was more of a higher power level being overpowing a lower power level being thing....it would have be transcending time if hit applied time jump on t.o.p level on almost every fighter in the match rendering them immobile with the exception pf jiren
Never underestimate Superman
Quit overestimating him
It’s not overestimation he’s just stronger than Jiren 😭. All at their best (not bloodlusted but just using full power) it’s really a 1v1 between surfer and supes, and I’d lean towards supes because of superior combat speed and strength even though surfer has the versatility to exploit some of supes weaknesses
Danco can u pls do ue vegeta vs ui goku or ue vegeta vs superman
What you forgot to say is the silver surfer has the ability to rearrange molecules. None of these characters have that ability .
Lol Dan is DB fanboy. Constantly underrating Supes. Deathbattle did it better, without having to strawman a weak Supes. Jiren is severly outclassed. Supes solos the entire angel pantheon and every else, outside of Zeno.
No he is not , he literally said that Kratos was stronger than Goku 💀
You're talking about a fight where they all know the rules. So why wouldn't surfer use all his power?
Jiren wins it's to funny how Marvel and DC fan boys think their characters can beat everyone. I'm 66 years old been reading comics forever and they are inconsistent as hell. People just can't accept win someone new comes along and is more powerful than these characters who has loss to lesser beings.
Lifhting strenght Superman, Punching power Superman, IQ Superman, feats Superman ... Skill Jiren, Reflexes Jiren, Energy attacks Jiren, less weeknes Jiren ... Traveling speed Surfer ... Total Superman 5/10, Jiren 4/10, Surfer 1/10 ... Superman > Jiren > Surfer ... Superman wins.
Silver Surfer wins hands down. Jiren would be an obvious threat and Silver Surfer could change him into a cookie and eat him.
Make mine Marvel! :)
In theory Surfer but honestly Sups scales above them.
DanCo has Officially Lost it....Jiren is no where near Stronger then Superman neither could he beat Silver Surfer or Superman he has better chances versing DCEU Superman then Comic Variants of Superman.(DanCo we can see your Bias from a Mile stop appealing to Dragon Ball Fans and bring back the Old DanCo who actually made Sense.)
Exactly. That's how he said that Goku beats Doomsday smh.
@@PeerlessUtopian 🤦🏽♂
@@VegetaMannersLmao exactly.
Surfer is underrated imo and supes is overrated
Kinda yeah
Superman OVERRATED????????? He’s the 🐐 no debate … Mans literally raced time with his mind😤
@@DeeMeechie He's kinda overrated though you have to admit. Silver Surfer barely gets any recognition nowadays. Superman is constantly being pushed hard as a legacy character even though his gimmick of just being really powerful has gotten stale over the years.
@@ether2275 yes surfer is one of my all time favorites and is definitely underrated but superman isn’t overrated he’s simply just that broken … notice how dan had to nerf him and neither surfer or Jiren in this bc it could literally be bad for both Jiren and surfer very quickly respectfully … he couldn’t bring someone like dark crisis superman into this bc although surfer can find someone ms weakness immediately without being told dark crisis superman issa a form of superman that is beyond the IMAGINATION of any and or everything that can weaken, hold, stop him 😤😤😤 i get it for most ppl to strongly dislike superman but he is just THAT OP💯 it’s unfair but it is what it is🤷🏽♂️
@@DeeMeechie I never mentioned his strength but that is also pretty overrated tbh. People try to gas him up like their life depends on it. Same with Dragon Ball characters tbh. It all started from the whole Goku vs Superman fiasco, people started going crazy and their powerscaling meta got out of control. Every new thing that came out with Goku and Superman their fanboy armies tried to look through every little detail just to find an excuse to make their favorite character seem more powerful.
Action comics issue 1051 superman could trancend time space and matter he also had abilities like weight manipulation weather abilities mind abilities ( action comics issue 1061 superman demonstrated to have some of the presenc3 abilities and power he also overpowered the magic which created dc levels itself*
Silver Surfer vs Gorr the God Butcher
No hate to you dan co but
This video is dead ass wrong
And there is a few point ms why
For 1 you didn't specify which superman or sliver sufer version
Which could lead ppl to thinking it can be any version
2 your basied especially Towards marvel
And 3 your scaling for all the character are terrible
I will come out and say it superman slams its not even close
Jiren at best is complex multiversal so he gets dog walk by yhe other two
Silver surfer is strong but he isnt close to superman in ap dc durability or any version of speed
All in all dc cosmology scale higher than marvel
And superman has shown better feats and higher cosmology
Superman wins we can debate on this if you like
In what way is DC cosmology higher than Marcel's??
@@madzivhandivhuwo1500 uhm because some of dc dimension scale higher than the entire of marvel examples the overvoid 6 and 5 dimension etc
Notice not all of dc scale higher but the top tiers of dc cosmology scale higher than marvel top tiers cosmology
@@lucionjones8685sounds like DC bias
@@lucionjones8685 Superman scales higher in power than batman yet batman had taken a dump on Superman and other members of the JL.
So scale doesn't mean jack ass in comics.
Scale actually does mean soemthing.
When the Olympus sphere phantom Zone destroying threats arrive, it's superman who batman calls as he admits he is useless against Doomsday level threats.
The top commenter is wrong though.
Yes superman scales above surfer and jiren in current feats but the comsology of marvel and DC are both tier 0 and beyond if scaled properly.
Current Superman is a fusion of all main timeline versions and can time travel now.
Danco used outdated early 2000 feats once again in this video.
Ita embaressing at how bad his scaling and arguements are.
@@madzivhandivhuwo1500
Born powerful vs Gifted vs Hardworker
I didn’t know anything about Jiren before this video. I have to check him out .
Bla-bla-bla....the Surfer wins danco !
He doesn't use his full potential because of the comic writers lack of imagination ❗👎
And we are talking about powers and abilities, not about how clever are the comic writers !
-Iron Skull (Red Skull with an Iron Man Armor) vs Deathstroke
-The Avengers (current line-up) vs The Crime Syndicate of America (New 52 version)
-Cyborg vs Wolverine
-Falcon vs Batwing (Luke Fox)
Depending upon the order, Surfer could literally just remove the solar radiation from Superman
No he wouldn't be able to. Superman has dealt with beings who can take his energy and won. His power is greater than the surfers.
Yeah, rip clark
Pre-Video: My pick is the TOON (i.e. the DBZ roided out Grimace). Because nobody beats TOONS. They are ridiculously OP and break reality most of the times with unquantifiable feats . Let's see if this logic holds up.....
Post Video Comment: I was right. The TOON won again. But DanCo broke his own logic in this video, in that he stated that Silver Surfer's weakness is that he always holds back, unless he is facing that rare super huge threat. But if Jiren has the power to defeat him, and is going for he win, then doesn't that qualify as such a threat? And how exactly does Jiren overcome Surfer's regenerative abilities? As you can tell, I disagree with the result because I think DanCo made the case for Surfer winning, and picked Jiren because of TOONFORCE rules.
But if we are using a composite version Superman has beaten some characters that outclasses both Silver Surfer and Jiren opponents by a non-factor level. World Forger for starter. Dr. M, who is way stronger than Silver Surfer boss couldn't erase him and Mr. myx is scared of Supe. Sometimes all these versus can be misleading because while on one hand you gave Superman no chance in another hand he's been trading blows with multiverse to Omniversal threats on a consistent basis.
Take Darkside for example who also have all the powers in the book and Superman has consistently matched up with him and was not erased by his Omega beams.
Well, it's your choice and I respect him. I personally think Captain Atom has more potential than Silver Surfer and Superman is even rated ahead of Him. What do I even know🤷
Mr Myx is scared of superman prime/super boy prime who isn't superman .
Superman wins easily.. NUFF SAID
Oh, Fyi.. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS COMBAT SPEED! What you're referring to is a thing called combat reflexes, which is how fast someone can react to danger in a fight. Speed is universal, meaning it's the same whatever you apply it to. You can use it for anything, running, jumping, throwing a ball, anything that requires motion and if it's a trained response..ie fighting, then the faster you are, the better you are do it. So can Usain Bolt punch as fast as Bruce Lee, absolutely, maybe faster depending on physical advantages and having the right kind of training, but combat speed is not a thing.
What 😂😂😂😂😂
So that means he blits him hah😂😂😂 anything to make you feel better man
Surfer negs jiren easily. Superman is the problem
I'd rate them as 1) Superman 2) Silver Surfer 3) Jiren
Using the Silver Surfer in these fights is unfair. Simply put, he's got the Power Cosmic which has certain passive aspects that make him extra dangerous. Specifically the instinctive knowledge of any opponent he faces' weakness(es). And then he can manifest the perfect attack against that weakness. Superman is out before the fight even starts because of this. His physical attributes are basically what he decides it is. He absorbs any energy directed at him. Combine these and neither of these opponents can really hope to win against him. Sorry Dan. You are incorrect here, even with accounting for my bias. Basically, the Surfer shouldn't be used in most of these contests.
It’s estimated that it would take light 20 billion years to go from one side of the universe to the other, so Supe traveled 10 billion light years in 60’days. PDQ!
Superman's powers are derived from yellow sun radiation; Surfer with the power cosmic can molecularly change the sun to emit red sun radiation. In terms of raw physical power, remember Surfer can increase his own super strength through the power cosmic to incalculable levels at will that can match/exceed against opponents. Surfer's durability allows him to withstand impacts against celestial objects and survive in event horizon of black holes.
Superman is my favorite superhero but didn't surfer once absorb all the gamma out of hulk? So couldn't he do the same thing with Superman's solar energy
@@KingKraxyYah very much so... when it comes down to fight with beings with this kind of abilities forget magic and green stone.
Big Dan wit da goat status breakdown
superman > = sliver surfer >>>>> jiren
Can you do archangel please i know they are extremely powerful and incredibly fast possibly as fast as light but how powerful are archangel
Sliver Surfer could solo both Jiren and Sups
Danco, I think you're wrong. Remember you said the surfer has comic awareness. Also, he will tell Jiran his weaknesses like he did with Gladiator
They nerf Surfer in comics too much. Him and Juggernaut gotta be the biggest jobbers ever in comics lol
I always remember hearing apocylpse was the size of a galaxy lol
One thing I do like about the Dragonball universe is that by-in large the characters have to actually earn their power. You even see young, weak Jiren who had to work his whole life to attain the power he has. Too many DC and Marvel characters are just gifted their powers. Not all, but most.
Bro your just s biased dbz fan ,who is butt hurt because goku lost to superman in the death battle, superman will beat jiren and siver surfer too , Superman's feats , strength and he's will of hope will overcome in the end
Suggestion: Andi Prendergast (Reaper) vs
These three aren't the most powerful in fiction their are others who outpower them but I still enjoyed the vid.
Another THANK You for this video❤❤❤
Jiren winning when Goku vrs Supes is an ongoing debate? Meanwhile, Goku already beat Jiren
This fight is between Supes and Surfer and Surfer's cosmic manipulation is what will give him the edge
Simple
Jesus, this video did Superman so dirty, it’s insane
Go watch Deathbattle because they show you everything superman can do
Superman overcome kryptonite, magic, and the red sun
He literally lifted both infinity and eternity
The man never mentioned the use of magic or green stone... sup source of power 🔋 which is solar energy can also be exploited and the even if he no longer need the sup due to being charged he still need the energy he absorbed... so in a fight with anyone that can manipulate energy sup lose. He has a better chance of beating Jiren than surfer but he's not beating Jiren either