exactly as i may have poorly explained in the video lol, spreading it out to far, and to many tracks to choose from, really i feel it should be a max of 3 tracks, this would stop the 3 hour wait for rotation on certain events lol. Man thats frustrating from my end lol.
I ran three GT4 races yesterday and had 19+ cars in each. Now, that said, I ran a bunch of 1hr races in TCR and couldn't get 8 cars in class. One race, everyone in my class quit within 10 minutes. It turned into a testing session. Bathurst is coming, so I can't have that on my list. Donnington Park, Monza, Interlagos, Circuit Gilles Villeneuve and Long Beach (although I can already see the carnage at the fountain and hairpin).
lmfao least you had some in GT4, others have been calling it a ghost town lol. that sucks for TCR though, real shame. oh yeah I do totally agree, but i dont think i can wait another year just to get monza and other tracks, we must remember barthurst is 4 months away at the moment. Like WHAT lol.
I quit when it became clear that we were not being matched on pace. Safety and skill rating is in the game but it’s not used. It’s a random rating that is not even shown to other drivers in the lobby!! If it was shown, it would be clear as day that you’re not being matched with closely rated drivers.
oh yeah, that is a odd oversight, i prefer that idea. I have floated it around and it does come back with good reception. so i do not understand why it isnt implemented after qualify. ah you say that, i have had cleaner races being demoted to the lower classes lol, go figure that one, S is a gamble on if the race is going to be clean, I have pushed myself down to c-d-e and those races were oddly clean lol. so it didnt take long to get back up the ladder :D got to love the logic
Its dead because no one wants to wait 10-15 minutes just to play one round. The old Forzas would put you in a lobby quickly, but theyre skimping out on having more servers available. The scheduled races are a killjoy vs being able to just join a lobby when the mood strikes you.
To be fair that’s not really true. Most games re like this. ACC GT raceroom iracing etc etc. all have timed lobbies and it does far better than hopping lobbies. Everyone can prepare and practice etc etc. .
@@Flashms I remember Forza 6 and 7 lobbies were easy to find a good race and you just clicked and it matched you quickly like Call of Duty does. The way they try to do it in the new Forza and in Gran Turismo 7 is a waste of time and creates very few lobbies.
Again it works well bud. Lobbies are stacked in every other title. The failure point of forza is not keeping a consistent time. Where as other games run on the hour and half hour so we are all knowing and expecting.
I was a Forza Xbox fan from FM3 right up until 6. Wasn’t keen on 7 but the lobbies were full through lockdown on FM6 which reignited my love for it. During that time the masses including myself invested in a racing wheel and pedals. Then realised sim racing on a PC is just far superior and so much better than controller racing. I’ve recently tried the new Forza again but on a wheel it just still feels so alien. Spent hours in the wheel settings (which there are far too many of) trying to make it feel drivable but it just doesn’t work. Turn 10 desperately need to put the hours in and make this feel more like the other big sims out there. Failing that it will die very soon and will remain an arcade console controller game that no sim racers will trust. It is sad but they should have just based it on FM6. Updated all content. Improved force feedback for all wheels.
Thats fair bud, I can understand how the wheel feels alien, I have a video on my settings which do work well for me, and may well be a good place to start for yourself. (video is called "wheel settings") I think once you got the wheel right and get the feel your looking for, you will really enjoy it. Again there are far to many settings to change to get the wheel right. Their new model is not exactly doing its best at the moment, drip feeding content while calling it new when in reality its ported over old stuff, is just not fair to the consumer. Turn 10 do not care, gamepass is paying the bills for them. Maybe in another 6-12 months the game would have matured enough, one can only hope lol. Still love it though, i do have a great time, just needs more.
It could have been with more effort. Better and more cars etc etc. but creating gt2-3-4 splitting the cars up and not really balancing them. Kinda felt like a last minute thought.
Ok, no one knows except T10 why some lobbies are so empty, but I have my idea. It may be a combination of different factors. Part of the players are currently more focused on the multiclass races introduced with the last updates. The split of the original Forza GT into multiple class has created confusion in many players, since all the cars were fully rebalanced and the previous settings no longer work. Moreover, in the attempt of having cleaner races, T10 declread that S rated players can't match D and E rated: this might not help in filling the lobbies. Endurance races as well keep people busy for long time, so that they don't join shorter races. And again the number of events available now is significantly increased compared to the launch, so that the player base is more fragmented. Nothing really critical I think. It will take some times for T10 to analyze the data and rebalance the matchmaking system and to redefine list of events, in order to distribute the players in a more consistent way. Or maybe they will adopt a different matchmaking system, GT7 style, where the lobbies are created after the qualify and just before the start if the race Let's see what will happen.
this is what i am saying bud, spreading everyone around, although i do believe to populate lobbies, D and E are still included in matchmaking if there is not enough players. Again could be wrong but its what i read. oh yeah of course it will, they have all the numbers. They will adjust accordingly, I hope lol I like that idea you said, would help match players times within the correct lobby to help with competition of the faster drivers.
Turn 10's road map was uninspiring and made a lot of us start looking for other options. The current state of the game would've been fine for release, but it's not okay 11-12 months in. Featured multiplayer will continue to die, but league play on console will continue, until we have something else to shift to.
Yeah it wasn’t the best road map. I mean we are still very far behind others in the same niche even 11 months down the line. To me it feels like 3 people work in the office while 2 of them is always in the toilet lmfao. That’s how slow it feels development has been. League play is an absolute blast while I do still enjoy featured. I have had some amazing races there. Still I do feel they need to get team ace back and stop pleasing the suits lol.
Sure Easter eggs are fine but I don’t see that making any difference. It may give you a small percentage chance to retain players for a bit but that’s it. It’s obvious they only care about FH5. Constant new updates of content. There are body kits and aero in that game you can’t have in Motorsport. Even aero from old motorsports. Sure customization isn’t everything but they were the ones who said they wanted players to have a bond with their cars or whatever. I tried, as I’ve played forza for a long time. The crashing and loading among other bugs just did me in. Here and there I’ll check out Rivals or the online races. I just don’t feel the love anymore. Maybe it’s just because I’m getting old. The generic forza wing bothers me way more than it should. After seeing what GT does I am just bitter. They blatantly lied about what they were giving the community. I get they are wanting to expand the games life span.. I hope they make big improvements. I do like the physics more than the other Motorsports I guess. Since it was “built from the ground up” Still think it’s dying.
Yeah, it just those touches that make the difference though, same with any other game, those with passion and funny or cool Easter eggs really do feel more at home than linear games. Yeah we are missing a load of stuff, I am sure it will be drip fed to us over the next coming years and labled "new content" Yeah i can understand that, don't forget GT does have one more year on forza and GT hasnt changed much over the past 20 years, yeah it has a lot of content. but it is still relatively the same formula. Not saying thats a bad thing, if it works why change it, which is the reason I think Forza is struggling, they changed it. their is expanding a games life span correctly and organically, or forcing it to grow, one is never going to work. Yeah the physics are amazing, just need to get rid of the tail out issues, i find it a little to exaggerated.
I like the Formula Mazda Spec Series. Since the release they give the same tracks with the same configuration and the same weather... I don't think I have ever had a dry race on Suzuka, Hockenheim, and Hakone. It's a joke not a game.
those races can always go one of 2 ways, either an absolute blast or absolute chaos lol. Yeah weather sucks, i did hear they removed variable weather because people complained of an unfair advantage???
@@Flashms They could at least rotate the weather every week or so. I love Suzuka and Hockenheim but I have enough of permanent rain on them. Now I avoid them. I really hope Gran Turismo will come to PC one day. They do it 1000x better.
@wdmeister yeah I think their is to much rain in the lobbies in general. Or night racing. I very much doubt gt would ever come to pc. People have been asking for decades lol.
I tried so hard to turn this into my gran turismo after switching from ps4 to Xbox series x. The penalty system really kills it for me. It’s about 1/10 races are actually enjoyable now with good racing. The rest are just rammers.
I heard the penalty system has been improved and a few people have said it is good now. Very rare do I encounter rammers bud. Maybe one in 20/30 races.
this is the problem with matchmaking, I do feel, one should qualify then but in the appropriate lobby based on their time set. That would provide competition for the fast alien drivers. and make things more fair for everyone at play. Again still need players to be here for this to happen.
@@FlashmsIt's a problem, too, in Gran Turismo 7. People who are fast don't qualify on purpose so as to start from the back of the grid, for the 'challenge'. Frigging egos 😢
That would be nice, Like a update called bug fix and it addresses them all. they wont though. Rather keep breaking the game rather than fix it. Hoping with each update the bugs get buried lol
@@Flashms Yes because I’ve gotten so many races where the track turns black, and I’m like WTF ! Then the game shuts off , in career mode… good thing this hasn’t happened in the lobbies for now …
I think it’s just it lacks stuff. We are missing a ton of tracks and cars that they are taking months to give us. The multi class endurance racing was very fun. But the GT hopper rotation makes people not want to play it.
It’s catch 22. Sometimes you play and it’s loaded while other times you expect it to be loaded and it’s empty. The severs can be a little funky at times.
I can get a little bored of the game due to people not been fast enough and the multiplayer rating not working how its supposed ro. Id say about 50% of my races pretty much turn into hot lapping sessions but then again if the player base has fallen off massively then i wont get the better players in my lobby. So what i did to combat that was use bad cars but i only really like racing C,B,A and S class and thise types of classes have a few op cars that half the oobbies race, so it basically turns into beat the miata/Exocet. The crashes seemed to have gotten far worse to me and random glitchiness, i do keep going back to see if its improved and then not bothering again
I can totally understand that, but not relate lmfao (lack of skill lmfao) This is exactly it, there are races where I win and races where I lose, I did suggest an idea to change the way we qualify, Kind of like GT and other games, You qualify and then it puts you in a lobby based on your skill and lap times, so you are matched with players of your same level. To me I am not fussed if there is 10 or 20 people in the lobby, rather have a race with someone on my level or faster so i can learn from them while improving on myself. Others did suggest players may sandbag but i do not believe that to be to much of an issue, Let me know what you think about the idea man, Turns into beat the miata lmfao yeah a lot of those races are exactly like that, its a shame it is that way, A few new nice cars would alleviate some of this I hope but were lucky we get tracks at the moment. Are you on PC? I am and I have nothing but issues lately, where as on release, i was as stable as a rock lol.
the gt2/gt3 split was ludacris imo... in a time of need for bug fixing and content dropping they allocated team recources for a weird change that i think nobody asked for. all my fav cars are in gt2, i rarely drive gt3 (pretty much only like the gt3 merc) so sometimes i dont even bother starting the game for a whole week if its gt4/gt3 in rotation. others detest the gt2 cars and dont race on those weeks etc. and while i get the split for gt4, that class only has 3 cars... like what? its just a mess.
Yeah it was a little screwwiff lol. Yeah I mean we’re 11 months from release, bugs should be almost none existent lol. Yeah I get the gt4 split. But like you say there is only 3 cars. Like who thought that was a good idea. If they was going to split they should have tested bop and added more cars.
@@Flashms yeah i hope they get their things in order and revert or at least balance the changes they made with the different hoppers. to be fair tho, the game is in a vastly better state that 11 months ago. i rarely get any crashes anymore, performance is way better apart from framedops here and there. penalty system got way better imo. there's still issues for some people of course but you can see things got and continue to get better. of course its sad to have taken so long since release but sadly thats modern gaming for you...
Oh yeah I totally agree buddy. It is much better. I think if it released now in the condition it’s in people would have been a little more sympathetic. So yeah it was a year early you could say. The frame drops is a pain on pc. Especially in practice and qualify. It’s like the consoles are using the pc players as a latch hmmmmm I dunno. But yeah overall it is much better.
Open up the game to modders. Remove all controls from the developer. This game would instantly turn into an amazing sim with tons of new buyers. The game looks great, and the little time I spent with it in gamepass, it felt good. But the devs have make it so clunky from a UI perspective, and all the locked items and progression killed it for me. Not a lot of modding potential with it so locked down.
I have suggest this. They would have it fixed in a month. Those people who create mods are genius imo. Which is why ac evo has worked so heavily (from what I believe) with modders. It’s is clunky no 2 ways about it. I really think they were so cash strapped and under the thumb from the suits it destroyed itself from the inside out. Suits want income asap instead of looking further down the line.
There are ways to implement mods to console. Fallout 4 managed this. Also nothing stops turn 10. Implementing the mods on a hardware level. Thus fixing the game maybe ?? Clearly they are struggling at the moment. Nothing wrong with asking for help.
Hi Flash. Sorry I haven't commented lately, but I'm still watching your stuff. I'm expecting a new grand daughter, so my mind is preoccupied. What would really help Forza is more incentives to race. Ladders and tournaments would be nice, along with cool rewards like new suits that take a bit more to get. All of the current suits are so easy to get it hardly feels earned. Some statistics would also be welcome. It all kinda feels like nothing matters. I really don't mind this, since I play most of my games single player just to enjoy the drive. I just create custom racers, and barely ever bother with the other so-called championship stuff. It's just too bland. So in conclusion, incentive is what the game needs. Unfortunately, they played it way too safe, and didn't try to innovate like they should have. We live in such a weird spot in gaming currently. Most old games used to do it better. On occasion, we get a nice gem of a game, but most are just serviceable. I still like this game a lot, but I expected a more casual game. That's ok for me. I don't have the reflexes I used to. I also love to tune. It's the most challenging part of the game. Take care Flash.
Hey bud how are you keeping??? That’s fine mate it’s no worries. Great to see you comment again :). Ooooo man that’s amazing, Congratulations, best of luck to the family buddy. Yeah more incentive would be amazing. Even mixing times on featured with rivals and create a leaderboard. Thus providing more competition during a race. We have all suggested this but it falls on death ears sadly. Yeah I don’t not even do the career stuff. Cannot stand the ai. And the races are a little boring for me. So I have earned 0 cars lmfao. Not my cup of tea that. If it had more to it maybe. But ooooo do a few races and get a car just does nothing for me so I leave it. I get that man. There needs to be more, more the fast guys and more for people who want a more casual experience. Again I find the career to be so soulless I cannot stand it lol. I have to get myself more invested in tuning. I have like a base I set on most cars and adjust little by little. Need to educate myself better there lol. It can be great fun the nerdy stuff. All the best my friend :) and again congratulations and best wishes to the family buddy.
Forza has a problem with designing the game for racing. The most Important thing. Ai is useless for offline racing. Crash into you and no close racing, and ai perform unrealistic. It's frustrating to by a racing game and can't engage in racing. Secondly, the short tracks are a turn off, real racing they use the full course, people. I don't even know the short tracks, real racing, you race the full tracks. So frustrating to find a race in the lobby at your favorite track but they are not racing the full course, frustrating and meaningless, again these are the fundamentals of racing, which should addressed before we talk about all cake stuff.
oh no kidding, i have done videos on how bad the ai is lol. I think the short tracks depend on the race class, for touring I know they use a lot of short tracks such as brands hatch short etc, but again thats down to class of cars etc. I think maybe more thought should be put into the type of class racing and which track to use, rather than maximising the use of every track layout they have to offer lol.
It’s so hard to say what might fix it at this point really. I don’t want to say it’s almost dead but maybe thats just denial lol. The game has its upsides and its downsides. Ultimately, I think the best thing they could do is put their hands up and say we messed up. Start with changing how they are treated the devs and bring in a lot of extra people. Then throw out every piece of new content and fix they can add before the holidays. And make it free to play from mid October- mid January. They also have the new spectator mode coming up. They should host events live on their social media and go big with them. Host qualifiers to race on the lives. Give away special prizes like special livery’s and cars for people who participate. And give away prizes for winners. I know that’s gonna probably cost them more money than they’re willing to put into it but come on their Microsoft. It’s one of the few racing games on Xbox. if they don’t make an attempt to save it, there’s not much left.
I am not sure man, i have been seeing and hearing all week players struggling to find other players, and for the first time in my ever play through, that was the most populated lobby that day lol. exactly this mate honesty and the fix it. Nothing wrong with holding your hands up and admitting failures. But putting them under the rug just upsets people. I also blame Microsoft because they are funding this mess and have the team knowledge and skill to fix this in a month lol. Spectator mode coming before replay fixes, shows they would rather give us new broken toys to play with, to cover up the cracks that have not been repaired. this is it, it needs saving, one of few games that have the potential of being the greatest, yet fail for pleasing the suits at corporate level. I would happily teabag each of the suits for this mess. LMAO. Flash teabagging lmfao.
It is Microsoft, but Microsoft has something called forza horizon which has been one of the only games they make that actually retains players. Turn 10 were given extra time for this game because fm7 basically flopped. This was their chance to give themselves a chance and they failed to deliver. Theres a good possibility this will be the last motorsport game. The things you wrote they should do were done to an extent with fm6, they pumped a lot of money into frc (forza racing championship) and it didnt pan out. With this game they have the logitech mclaren g challenge event. It's not exactly lighting up the charts. This game is not popular, Flash is 1 of literally a handful of people who even put out videos on it. Its dunzo
@@im2fast4u711 yeah thats true, that game has become a gold mine for them lol I have heard the saying they did it bad to finish the franchise off. Yeah thats fair bud yeah thats true, I hope you enjoy them LMFAO.
@@Flashms I enjoy your videos, I hoped by having so little content creators that the few who remained would have seen more success as the game got better. There is fun to be had in this game, there are some great, fast and clean players out there who want this game to succeed, but the writings on the wall. They committed to adding content through 2025, we'll see what happens in the coming months.
@@im2fast4u711 thanks bud, Imean i am over the moon at at where i have come, so i have been blessed to be honest bud. there is a lot of fun to be had, maybe give them time and things will keep improving, never know, maybe one day, itll be the best one out there lol. never know lol. Yeah, it is a good sign that they have added a plan of action, and not set the bar to high either, yeah we would of loved to have seen more and a larger plan of action, but at the moment and with the history, i feel it is a safe achievable goal they have set.
Unfortunately the time to add some sort of killer feature or game mode was last year. Theyve just lost so many players releasing the game with both the lack of content and issues it has. Even though im not a drifter, adding fujimi kaido would probably bring the most people into the game. Even though these type of people wont help competitive multiplayer or flesh out the single player experience, they will generate revenue which is what any studio needs to continue developing a game. The games improvements are only relative to the fact that it launched at such a low level. At their current track release cadence, another 6 tracks will be added after the one year anniversary. Starting in december its bathurst, theres 4 more tracks from fm7 that are likely to come back, those are cota, long beach, monza and sonoma. That leaves 1 more spot for either a new real world track or another existing fantasy like theyre doing with sunset peninsula. So basically 2 years in, this game will still have less tracks than fm7. Thats not encouraging because if they dont gain enough traction in the next year, there wont be any money to invest in any new tracks for a possible third year of support. They still havent sorted out the ai and qol features for single player, they still havent sorted out penalties and they still havent sorted out bop. 2 of these things were specifically highlighted as being priorities in the beginning of the year, neither are any closer to being acceptable. I dont think the game is dead, as technically there are people who play, but i think turn 10 have killed this franchise. Imo theres honestly nothing that they could realistically do that can save the game. Their chance was at release and unfortunately for everyone they blew that chance.
Yeah exactly buddy, to little to late rings the bell but no one is home lol thats right and we cannot see that as a bad thing, those players may also migrate over to the featured events to, even if its 1 in 10 still one more than before lol. Yeah this is my biggest frustration is the lack of tracks for a game thats got such good heritage. I mean come on, no one in their right mind thinks a dozen tracks is enough. so lets drip feed on every other month. I would understand if we had 20-30 tracks, to drip feed but for what we have is atrocious. I do like the idea of more fantasy tracks, some of them were insanely good and lets say its a license issue, then drop us some of your own created tracks, that is still awesome in itself. Yeah, it is no where near enough, I still blame the suits and Microsoft for this, they are also funding for this tactic or business style. Not like Microsoft does not have the team to fix this in a month, because they do. So by funding this tactic they are 50 percent to blame. while the other lies with the suits at turn 10. Thats my opinion. Others may disagree lol Also they still not fixed replays, like come on, every racing game, even on the PS1 with your terrible memory card could record replays lol. Driver 1, you could create a short movie on your card lmfao. Yet 30 years later a well established company took 6 months to implement a working replay system, but limit it while they were at it lol. Crazy. I mean we saw how cyberpunk released and fixed. No excuse for turn 10 not to do the same, but instead of investing, or fixing, they took a step back, sip of tea and started to slowly fix things that were not of great concern but looked easy to do lol. Other than that, really the model is amazing, physics, feel etc. While now it is in such a better state than before and we do have an absolute blast with playing, as you can see from my videos. I do feel others may not get the same experience as myself which is a problem in itself.
@Flashms we'll likely never no exactly what happened during development and the reasons why things are the way they are. In 2019 they had an early play test program and I was a part of it. Although I can't say much about it as it's not worth breaking the nda, I will say the snails pace we see now hasn't changed much from that time. There certainly are budgets and business decisions that effect how a game is, but this games development seemed to suffer from more than just those things. I think from the start they knew they wanted to soft reboot the series, with more of a focus on actual racing. I think they wanted to head in a little more sim direction. I think these things made it through. The places they took a wrong turn was their focus on ray tracing, their focus on fomo, their focus on a time consuming grind under a progression guise. This game was originally going to be cross gen. Around late 2020 it was decided not to go this route. I think a lot of time and money was wasted doing this. I think this is why tracks and cars were merely reshaded and not remodeled. This shift in direction effected every other part of the game. Originally they were given some extra time to make the game, then all of the sudden there wasn't enough time, which is why when it launched it wasnt finished. They then used the live service excuse for its lack of content and features, but that couldn't excuse all the bugs. Like I said above, we won't get all the real world tracks from fm7 till the end of next year. That's 2 years just to hit parity. I fully blame turn 10 for design direction flaws like fomo, the horrible upgrade progression and the lack of basic options and features. But the shift from cross gen to next gen only wasn't their fault. Running out of time wasn't their fault. But they should have been more transparent from the start. The game should have been early access and I guarantee more people would have understood the situation and stuck by them longer than most did. This is unfortunately a hole that can't be dug out from. The numbers just won't ever be there. I know people are upset about lobby numbers in featured multiplayer, but it also wasn't fair that many other players didn't have options to race what they wanted. I think the game is what it is, I dont think adding more lobby types is detrimental to the game as a whole as people can just enjoy what they want to enjoy while they can. Eventually people will naturally migrate to certain things instead of being forced to. This is how it should have started. Turn 10 then could have seen the numbers and focused on what people liked. I think the biggest takeaway from this whole situation is, turn 10 needs to be built from the ground up. They need to get people who play racing games, who know about cars, about tracks and about motorsport in general. The competition is too tough to fake it at this point.
nah of course not, as if we will ever hear the juicy gossip lol. I get you bud, team of 3 in the office while 2 are taking a 8 hour dump lol. oh yeah I agree they have made the sim side of it very well, while not alienating the casual players. that they have got down amazingly. yeah i do agree, i dont run ray tracing, to me it only looks good in photomode lmfao. waste of resources IMO I get the live service idea, but then you have to charge a reasonable price for the game to begin with. AAA price is a AAA game, you dont buy now and have it ready in 3-5 years lmfao, that early access and thats why those games are heavily discounted. Having played many many EA games, I love the idea of EA watching, helping a game grow. again they are like 15 pound not 70 lol. I do agree poor decisions were made, I think on paper they sounded amazing but like you say time was not on their side so a lot of things did go untested. Yeah i think they played the market wrong, their term built from the ground up was used correctly in their eyes and from a marketing standpoint it was termed correctly but in context of the audience it was incorrect. Because they wanted it to be a live service, the engine had a full rebuilt to accommodate this seamlessly. So yes it was "built from the ground up" but not in the way we understood. Again this poor marketing should have been addressed. "They need to get people who play racing games, who know about cars, about tracks and about motorsport in general. The competition is too tough to fake it at this point." You are exactly right, I do feel for the team that worked their, I understand and know a good bit of what went on, but as you say, bringing in a passionate team with the right knowledge and skill would and could make a huge difference.
The problem that they lied and that it was obvious to everybody. No tracks and cars will bring back the players until the game is really ready and this will take another1-2 years at this bad state of the game.
Yeah they are working at a snails pace. Where as upon the poor reception on release. They should have been all hands on deck to fix it like other developers do
I’ve been subbed here on n off from start of FM, I like your content and personality, I unsubbed each time I uninstalled the game through frustration at the crashes, glitches, blah blah blah. I think I reinstalled 6 or 7 times after seeing youtubers having a better time with updates. The introduction of radar was a calling for me to get back on and try again, I was keen to get some value for the £100 per-ordered game! I did get some good fun in before the first crash, a little more before the second and so it went on…….YAWN lol. I am so frustrated and somewhat desperate to play this game, it is very good fun when all goes well, it has massive potential but they need to find a way to claw back players [obviously] LOL. Watching youtubers playing the game, I noticed those on X-Box were having very few issues…..Hmmm. I bought X-Box series X two weeks ago and my experience is drastically improved! I’ve not had a single crash or menu stutter, not been kicked from a lobby or race, it’s been a pleasure to play….ALREADY LOL So I’ve spent over £500 to play this game, although the xbox will be better for me with other games going forward, it’s a struggle for me to keep up with PC gaming costs now. Today I wrote to Forza support and asked for my game content to be moved to xbox and shut down steam version as I will never use that again, fingers crossed for me, at least there will be one more in the lobby soon :). I think private organised racing is best way forward at this point for hardcore racers. I look forward to racing with you soon…..CHEERS
I get you bud, glad to see you back though. Yeah the crashing does seem to be a little prominent at the minute, No idea why but it is absolutely daft. No game should hard crash the way this one does lol. Oh yeah if you are on console you have such little issues it makes you question was this ported to PC by an 8 year old lol. PC experience and optimisation is terrible no 2 ways about it. Let me know what you get as a reply buddy, it would be interesting to know what they say here bud. smashing, i am glad you are braving the return lmfao, make sure you join the discord, link in description. I do feel console players did get a better deal, I am surprised there was not more of a backlash from players on the steam platform seeing they are paying full price rather than for game pass lol. I have to be honest, if i paid the price it was on steam, i would have refunded lmfao. so I am glad there is Gamepass for PC lmfao Hope you are well buddy
@@Flashms I will let you know how it goes and I will join you on Discord very soon maybe even tomorrow. If it wasn't for my personal circumstances and the uniqueness of the game, I would have scraped it for sure. Believe it or not this is the third time I bought n xbox just to play fprza motorsport, I did it for 1st and 3rd version, it's a great game when working well. Have a cracking weekend.
@@Boney-UK64 smashing bud itll be great to see you man, I get you bud, dont leave us just yet lol, we will keep you going lmfao. you to my friend you to :D
@@Flashms I got a reply just 6 hours after ticket........"There is not currently a way to transfer saved data or purchases between profiles/accounts. There is also not a way to transfer saved data between Steam and Windows Store/Xbox. This includes game progress, achievements, cars, credits, inventory, in game purchases and DLC.". my response was "Thanks for the fast reply. Ok so no game data but you could give me the games and DLC for both games tho, it doesn't seem right I've spent over £500 to play a game that was clearly miss sold, and I still have to buy it all again? Is that really the best you are able to do?" I would have thought they would do anything to get more people playing and a better customer relationship, I don't want anything for nothing anymore than I want to pay twice! I have to wonder how many working brain cells they have between them, I bet you can count em on one hand PMSL
@@Boney-UK64 ooooof that is a shame, I can kind of understand not being able to transfer the sale, steam may charge more less than microsoft so someone would be out of pocket and tax reasons etc etc, many companies are like this for these reasons. but not being able to transfer saves is a shame. there are many games out there where you can transfer by asking nicely, your save data. Nah maybe not, It is daft though, I mean in reality steam and xbox game pass are just launchers and your launching into the same game, so really its a case of using the same email to log into your forza file and everything should be there regardless if you are using console PC or even an abacus lol
Forza Motorsport 23 was a complete failure at launch. It has been patched and had a few things improved. But still, Chris Esaki, lied to the community for over a year, FFB for wheels are still being worked out. One of the biggest complaints from me is a shameful lack of options mostly including a private multiplayer than includes the same features as Featured Multiplayer. I hate this current adaption of motorsport, and I hope they become FAILZA MOTORSPORT after this mess. My only positive thing I can say is that it came out day one on game pass and I for one and very thankful. I have played it, I hate it, and I genuinely feel sad this is the first Forza game I did NOT buy. I hope it dies, and continued playtime tells them you support FOMO, limited track release, limited features and evil practices when they made this game and lied about its state, its performance, and its stability.
oh yeah bud, I know you say FFB settings on a wheel, I have fine tuned the wheel to a good standard, well for myself anyway. so if you need a starting point i do have a video on this, called wheel settings. Private multiplayer was lacking at launch and still kind of lacking in customization now. OOO man thats such a shame you feel that way bud. I really enjoy the game for the most part, as you can see I do so much content on FM lol. Yeah it could have a load more things, While like you hope they wake up, I hope they wake up and realise that the suits do not know better and the community standards and expectations should also come into account. Someone on the team just needs to make a good cup of coffee and tell the group HOW IT SHOULD BE DONE lol. and not listen to higher ups and get the ball rolling. Were on the way slowly, but like many have said, it may be a little to late.
@@Flashms I'm talking about just adding FFB settings that applied to the G923 last month. 10 months to make the feature of the G923 work. SAD. Some people, like me, don't ever want to go back to the days of playing with rammers, little kids who have access to games, but don't have a real driver's license, or people who just don't give a crap about ruining your race. All of those things i just mentioned are made worse by a terrible penalty system that gets the penalty wrong more than 50% of the time. Private multiplayer in past versions of Forza, on Xbox, (less power for options) had the feature to add AI bots to a race for you and your friends. When the first Forza goes to PC in FM7, (more power to add more options,) this is removed, many people complained after 7, and they leave it out again. That is the deal breaker for me. I feel like I am writing a novel of a rant, and for that I apologize, but this game, the way it was made, built up by the devs with lies, then released to the public, is a huge slap in the face to the people who have supported it for years.
OOO I get you now bud, i mean why break a habit of being slow of the mark lol took 6 months to even get replays to work lmfao. I am doing a video on the new penalty system as of now and will come out tomorrow evening. I do hope you come by and watch it, let me know what you think as improvements have been made bud. Honestly bud, you are more than welcome to rant here. I do hope turn 10 see these videos and comments, take on board what is felt by the community. There is no need to apologise we all have passion in the game and all wish it onto better things, I would rather you talk your mind and have passion in what you are saying. Again i do hope you stop by in the next video. and all the best bud
I am quite surprised they picked drift, considering we already 90 percent of a drag setup implemented. But let’s see how that turns out. Does sound like fun
I used to be a hardcore Forza player since the game was released, i haven't played in about 3 weeks since the game got so bad these days. We got Road Atlanta and i've only raced there a couple of times, the game is just not as good as it should be.
OOO man sorry to hear you put the controller down and feel this way, dont get me wrong, i love the game, i think its awesome, but the lack of content, players, along with more bugs than ever for PC ( i am a PC player) I am struggling to find a race and stay in it without something breaking in the game causing a hard crash lol
@@Flashms yes, and also the lobbies, so empty and i can't find the type of races i want, that is a big issue, i have to settle for what Turn 10 wants me to race in the week and half the time, they are races that just don't seem interesting.
@@artpena72 yeah, we been asking for more strategy in the races such as tire and fuel, be awesome to start a race with only a certain amount of fuel, drive hard and have to pit or take it easy and see what happens, same with forced tire compounds, love to see a forced soft and hard etc ideas like that
@@Flashms exactly it would be a win for everyone! Serious players and take things serious in S rank and it would really mean something. Rammers stay in the naughty corner. And turn 10 doesn’t habe to ban anyone.
@Wezly17 well we have all suggested that s rank should be much harder to get while also being harder to lose, so keeping the “sim” drivers at the level their expecting. I think the issues is the size of the player base. Only turn 10 have the full numbers who are on daily.
Actually was in a touring car race alone in multiplayer,,,,anyways i think there should be a certain amount of ai cars in multiplayer races to help fill grids
Not sure man. Everyone been telling me lobbies are empty. Then I hopped on and spent a day looking for pop and I was greeting with 0 lol. Seems to be better again now. So not sure what was going on
I feel so scammed after paying full price for this game and the season passes, thought they would fix it but the design was broken from the beginning, there was no game, just a subpar simulator with a terrible system on top of it that never resembles a game
I can totally understand bud. Although it is far better now than what it was at release. It is a shame they have not implemented more cars for the vip or car pass holders. To be fair I think I don’t think it’s subpar simulator at its bones. The physics etc are really good and so is the feeling on the wheel. It’s everything else above it that has had little thought.
I have been hearing different, and experiencing different. Usually I have been very lucky, this time i spent all day looking for a lobby and this was the most populated lol. But you are right the lobbies have been getting better, we shall see what happens no kids are back at school hoper you are keeping well my friend
I m playing GT7 on PS4 and the lobbies are constantly filled with 14-16 players no matter the time I play and despite there being a lot of DR SR categories (sometimes categories get mixed to fill the lobbies but I Ve never seen a 3 person race on GRAN TURISMO)
Yeah, I am usually in a full lobby, this is the first time I have actually spent an hour hopping lobbies to find drivers lol, everyone usually asks me where do i find everyone lol, i think it was my turn to be shoved at the end of the matchmaking list lmfao. we are all mixed to, Our safety rating is mixed from C to S(S being the best), people lower than C are not usually mixed in with the higher tier, but it does happen like you say to try and fill lobbies. 3 man race, to be fair only time i had i a lower race was when there was 5 of us, and that was one of my most intense battles lol, again I always say whether there is 20 or 5, your only competing with the person in front and defending from behind. As long as you got that, having 18 more people in the mix is irrelevant lol. Providing their great competition and your having fun is all that matters lol. All the best buddy.
maybe it has to do with testdrive unlimeted solar crown coming out? all those headstart players getting annoyed by the mess that game is at currently...
Ooofff yeah that’s not good man. I mean I still remember tdu2 was a mental game and so was the first one. I thought this could be the same but feels like it fell short of it.
It annoys me when people dont qualify like you think you got 1st but then sweats dont qualify and catch up super fast and it makes me not feel accomplished because you just feels like they would do better and it isnt really that fast and my skill rating is just too high im always getting 4th to 7th and can never win , im 4900 and theres so much people faster than me like 1 second faster a lap
I was taking with a few friends and we all think that you should qualify before you are matched into a race. This would create time and skill based lobbies and provide fair competition for all. Of course there will always be people sandbagging but that’s like 10 percent. Those who are not qualifying are just bored of having no competition so they’re looking for a thrill in another way.
this game made me sell my xbox x and switch to pc to have the best experience with any other title. disaster. I am glad that it suffers and lost its users. Releasing / selling beta-test version and not understanding what such title should include from the start (like radar) is a shame. Hope that they'd vanish together with goats that commented others moaning about the bugs.
Wow that is a change but a worthy upgrade. I am on pc and the amount more games I have access to is unreal lol. Yeah it’s fair enough selling a beta game but that should also be reflected in the price tag. Charging full game AAA price, one would expect AAA qualify and polish. How are you finding the pc life ???
@@Flashms great without FM8. ACC on LFM mostly, Dirt 2.0 as well. AC for casual driving. Both polished and worth every cent.And ACC is a true sim, not simcade or arcade. Never getting back to FM.
Acc and LFM is amazing. I would also recommend ac is content manager and mods. It’s amazing with LFM to. Oh yeah mate. They are real sims no 2 ways about it. Worth every penny to because let’s be honest they are cheap lol. Acc with all the dlc is stil really cheap and it’s stunning game.
I really want to get into racing games and I'm researching for weeks now but it seems like every single racing game's online pvp is dead. Steamcharts are like either a few 100 or like 2k players playing. Why is that? Are all racing games bound to discord communities?
I mean I wouldn’t say forza is dead. Sometimes the servers do not do themselves justice lol. I mean there are a lot of communities that may well be worth joining. Also if your on pc. You can always join low fuel motorsport bud not sure how it works with console though.
I get you bud, others have been saying for a while, lobbies have been dead, and like yourself, I always on first click, found a full or close to full lobby each and every time, but this week, I have really been struggling. 3-5 each lobby for the past few days, I think its more down to X amount of servers, Y amount of players, so instead of filling up X lobby, their spreading the Y across all the servers. If your paying for it might as well use it lmfao. Again, its all i have been hearing from the community and fellow friends.
@@Flashms You mentioned in the video what developers could do to make the game more fun. I would like the game to be able to turn off and on the engine and turn on the lights. Using dipped or hazard lights. It may seem small, but imagine in a multi-class race car that you turn on the right signal and pull to the right so that someone can overtake you. That would be fun and immersive, would it?
Oooo I totally get you there. Because all these are used to indicate people to pass for example or to move over so you can pass. Create a distraction and more. This is exactly it buddy. Engine off and on should be a choice to for start of races. That would be fun. Forgetting to start your engine. lol. I’ve done it before in other titles lol. I think it’s a great idea bud. Other titles have this feature. So I cannot see why it cannot be implemented here.
I’ve never tried the spec races due to owning ACC so I race to in open class A,S,R. I’ve never seen a lobby this low in open class. It’s actually pretty good for racing and the standards have drastically improved from other racers. Turn 10 lied to the public and made themselves look like evil con men which they are. Forza isn’t a viable GT game. Come to open class and play real old school Forza. Only streamers do GT, I find it boring.
I get that bud. Yeah open class does seem to really hold population. I tried it out the other day and it was an absolute blast lol. I get that man. I stream now and again but that’s for fun and nothing serious. Should come and join the giggle one time bud. Most immature adults you’ll ever meet lmfao.
I love the game still and play a lot, but seem to be a minority. I also find plenty of full lobbies but there are times i cant. One thing i am desperate for tho is a stat tracker. I want to know how many wins podiums and poles i have
@@petemaddox1716 yeah safe to say touring cars seems to hold population well. While the rest do dribble off. Oooo that would be nice. We have been asking for this for a long time. I do hope it comes
@@Flashms in all honesty I think some had too grand and expectation of the game. My expectations were to have something similar to live service with spec lobbies like we had as didn't like the hopper system in 7. Was hoping for V8 supercar lobbies (which should be in rotation with touring car and not gt4) as well as indycar and formula e which have been absent. But it's still lightyears ahead of FM7 but would like some FM4 stuff brought back particularly the community hubs I never play single player and never intended to so can't really comment on it
@petemaddox1716 oh yeah while I do feel some did have high expectations. It fell short of people who didn’t even care. Upon release it was a complete buggy mess with crickets chirping in the wind due to the lack of content. Yeah it was a good baseline. But you cannot charge AAA price for a game that had so little content, never mind the bugs and bugs don’t count as content lol. It may well be a live service. But you have to go on value for money or what the competition is doing for the same price more or less. And while a huge amount of the competition gave you more for less money. The game may well be a live service. Which I can understand from a game pass standpoint. But it was also sold at a base price of 60 pound and top price of almost 100. Like that’s not a live service price. That’s a release title with content price. Single player I had a go and lasted 20 minutes. lol it’s terrible.
@@Flashms I suppose your right about the value for money, being a game pass subscriber I don't tend to think about those things and am not necessarily so upset when it's not as good as expected, same with starfield because you can just move onto something else
The 2 most annoying things on forza are the Penally system and the people that use traction control 😂. I find online gets busy after 11am. I'm onwards. I'm from the UK .
Ah man this race was at like 4 pm. What’s wrong with traction control ?? I don’t use it but I cannot see a problem for people to use it. These cars have it in the real world. And yeah ok I agree with the penalty system lol
I went to ACC its a far better game and the penalty is so much better. FORZA has lost my business for life it's just really bad company who like the rest of the main AAA titles has lost there way. Hire me I'll turn any one of these AAA titles into a game of the year for 5 years straight. EA Mircosoft hire me as a consultant. I've been playing games for over 30 years.
I do not blame you bud. Acc is an absolute blast. Yeah I don’t know what it is with today and big companies. To many suits invent and just see the numbers but have no clue what a game is so in the end they ruin the company by telling them how to make a profitable game. You get in there bud and show them who’s boss
@@Flashms get 20 gamers over the age of 30 and I promise we could change the video game industry over night. And make these people more money than they have every seen.
I loved Forza! They destroyed it! Hire the right people for the job. If you don't like video games or racing you shouldn't work on them. Built to fall to the ground. Assetto the original is so much better.
Yeah except the suits preferred to cost cut rather than build something better and attract money from the customers that way. Well done suits. Highly intelligent lol
@@Flashms I've been playing Forza since part 2...and believe me...there's never been anything like this...not after the game has been out for only 10 months...I've been taking a break for 4 weeks because I want to give it another chance to get better. But without players, every game is doomed
Yeah that’s is fair. I missed a few lmfao. I didn’t enjoy 7. So only have a few hours in that one. Again I do hope they are able to draw players back. This week seems to be of to a good start but i don’t know man
@@Flashms I'll check after update 15 whether it's worth continuing... new year, new luck, so to speak. But I'm afraid it won't recover. The core customers are simply gone.
Being a simcade means it borders arcade and sim, forza have done that balance rather well, one of very few things they have done well, that being said, this does not destroy a game, else it would have been gone A long time ago. Forza has always been a simcade and has been making it for 20 years. Same with other titles across other consoles. Only company I know that went belly up was project cars. Simcades if done well are very popular, so are hardcore sims and so are arcade games. Each to their own on what they prefer to play, but does not mean that because its a simcade that it fails.
esteban would still be starting 24th in that race
OMG thats So funny man, well played sir well played
lmfao
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Poor esto lol
This is what happens when you have like 10 events on at a time. If anything they should rotate every couple of hours.
exactly as i may have poorly explained in the video lol, spreading it out to far, and to many tracks to choose from, really i feel it should be a max of 3 tracks, this would stop the 3 hour wait for rotation on certain events lol. Man thats frustrating from my end lol.
I ran three GT4 races yesterday and had 19+ cars in each. Now, that said, I ran a bunch of 1hr races in TCR and couldn't get 8 cars in class. One race, everyone in my class quit within 10 minutes. It turned into a testing session.
Bathurst is coming, so I can't have that on my list. Donnington Park, Monza, Interlagos, Circuit Gilles Villeneuve and Long Beach (although I can already see the carnage at the fountain and hairpin).
lmfao least you had some in GT4, others have been calling it a ghost town lol. that sucks for TCR though, real shame.
oh yeah I do totally agree, but i dont think i can wait another year just to get monza and other tracks, we must remember barthurst is 4 months away at the moment. Like WHAT lol.
It was born Dead because of false promises for one
Ooo that did not help one bit bud. Totally agree there
I quit when it became clear that we were not being matched on pace.
Safety and skill rating is in the game but it’s not used. It’s a random rating that is not even shown to other drivers in the lobby!! If it was shown, it would be clear as day that you’re not being matched with closely rated drivers.
oh yeah, that is a odd oversight, i prefer that idea. I have floated it around and it does come back with good reception. so i do not understand why it isnt implemented after qualify.
ah you say that, i have had cleaner races being demoted to the lower classes lol, go figure that one, S is a gamble on if the race is going to be clean, I have pushed myself down to c-d-e and those races were oddly clean lol. so it didnt take long to get back up the ladder :D got to love the logic
It was hidden on purpose because the rating systems were the last thing factored in for the lobby if at all.
@@im2fast4u711 yeah thats fair,
They should extend the offline experience by adding more events that include race cars instead of street cars. Not everyone is obsessed with upgrades.
Yeah this is it bud.
Its dead because no one wants to wait 10-15 minutes just to play one round. The old Forzas would put you in a lobby quickly, but theyre skimping out on having more servers available. The scheduled races are a killjoy vs being able to just join a lobby when the mood strikes you.
To be fair that’s not really true. Most games re like this. ACC GT raceroom iracing etc etc. all have timed lobbies and it does far better than hopping lobbies. Everyone can prepare and practice etc etc. .
@@Flashms I remember Forza 6 and 7 lobbies were easy to find a good race and you just clicked and it matched you quickly like Call of Duty does. The way they try to do it in the new Forza and in Gran Turismo 7 is a waste of time and creates very few lobbies.
Again it works well bud. Lobbies are stacked in every other title. The failure point of forza is not keeping a consistent time. Where as other games run on the hour and half hour so we are all knowing and expecting.
@@guitarandotherthings6090 Completely disagree. It works perfectly fine in GT7. You are clueless
Yeah I thought it was the same bud.
I was a Forza Xbox fan from FM3 right up until 6. Wasn’t keen on 7 but the lobbies were full through lockdown on FM6 which reignited my love for it.
During that time the masses including myself invested in a racing wheel and pedals. Then realised sim racing on a PC is just far superior and so much better than controller racing.
I’ve recently tried the new Forza again but on a wheel it just still feels so alien. Spent hours in the wheel settings (which there are far too many of) trying to make it feel drivable but it just doesn’t work.
Turn 10 desperately need to put the hours in and make this feel more like the other big sims out there. Failing that it will die very soon and will remain an arcade console controller game that no sim racers will trust.
It is sad but they should have just based it on FM6. Updated all content. Improved force feedback for all wheels.
Thats fair bud, I can understand how the wheel feels alien, I have a video on my settings which do work well for me, and may well be a good place to start for yourself. (video is called "wheel settings")
I think once you got the wheel right and get the feel your looking for, you will really enjoy it. Again there are far to many settings to change to get the wheel right.
Their new model is not exactly doing its best at the moment, drip feeding content while calling it new when in reality its ported over old stuff, is just not fair to the consumer. Turn 10 do not care, gamepass is paying the bills for them.
Maybe in another 6-12 months the game would have matured enough, one can only hope lol.
Still love it though, i do have a great time, just needs more.
Gt is dead, now I only race classes or multiclass, they’re so much fun. Had a blast today playing C class with an old Buick regal
Yeah I had a try on multicasts. It was unexpected fun
Yep, Forza isn’t a GT game.
It could have been with more effort. Better and more cars etc etc. but creating gt2-3-4 splitting the cars up and not really balancing them. Kinda felt like a last minute thought.
Bathurst is a big one for me, Circuit of the Americas, Monza, long beach and zaandvort.
Going to be a long wait for the rest of the tracks since Bathurst has now been confirmed
Ok, no one knows except T10 why some lobbies are so empty, but I have my idea. It may be a combination of different factors. Part of the players are currently more focused on the multiclass races introduced with the last updates. The split of the original Forza GT into multiple class has created confusion in many players, since all the cars were fully rebalanced and the previous settings no longer work. Moreover, in the attempt of having cleaner races, T10 declread that S rated players can't match D and E rated: this might not help in filling the lobbies. Endurance races as well keep people busy for long time, so that they don't join shorter races. And again the number of events available now is significantly increased compared to the launch, so that the player base is more fragmented.
Nothing really critical I think. It will take some times for T10 to analyze the data and rebalance the matchmaking system and to redefine list of events, in order to distribute the players in a more consistent way.
Or maybe they will adopt a different matchmaking system, GT7 style, where the lobbies are created after the qualify and just before the start if the race
Let's see what will happen.
this is what i am saying bud, spreading everyone around, although i do believe to populate lobbies, D and E are still included in matchmaking if there is not enough players. Again could be wrong but its what i read.
oh yeah of course it will, they have all the numbers. They will adjust accordingly, I hope lol
I like that idea you said, would help match players times within the correct lobby to help with competition of the faster drivers.
I’ve been very disappointed with FMS.. ACC for me now
@@bilko5109 I get you bud. I need to head back to acc. Just finding the time lol.
Thurxton, Fuji, Monza, Imola & most important to me, Twin Ring Motegi
We do need more ovals, especially those with courses within them, provides more for the price of one lol
Turn 10's road map was uninspiring and made a lot of us start looking for other options. The current state of the game would've been fine for release, but it's not okay 11-12 months in. Featured multiplayer will continue to die, but league play on console will continue, until we have something else to shift to.
Yeah it wasn’t the best road map. I mean we are still very far behind others in the same niche even 11 months down the line. To me it feels like 3 people work in the office while 2 of them is always in the toilet lmfao. That’s how slow it feels development has been.
League play is an absolute blast while I do still enjoy featured. I have had some amazing races there. Still I do feel they need to get team ace back and stop pleasing the suits lol.
It's a con and others are doing or going to do it too.
Yeah it does seem to be a new trend coming along at the moment lol
Sure Easter eggs are fine but I don’t see that making any difference. It may give you a small percentage chance to retain players for a bit but that’s it.
It’s obvious they only care about FH5. Constant new updates of content. There are body kits and aero in that game you can’t have in Motorsport. Even aero from old motorsports. Sure customization isn’t everything but they were the ones who said they wanted players to have a bond with their cars or whatever.
I tried, as I’ve played forza for a long time. The crashing and loading among other bugs just did me in.
Here and there I’ll check out Rivals or the online races. I just don’t feel the love anymore. Maybe it’s just because I’m getting old. The generic forza wing bothers me way more than it should. After seeing what GT does I am just bitter.
They blatantly lied about what they were giving the community. I get they are wanting to expand the games life span.. I hope they make big improvements.
I do like the physics more than the other Motorsports I guess. Since it was “built from the ground up”
Still think it’s dying.
Yeah, it just those touches that make the difference though, same with any other game, those with passion and funny or cool Easter eggs really do feel more at home than linear games.
Yeah we are missing a load of stuff, I am sure it will be drip fed to us over the next coming years and labled "new content"
Yeah i can understand that, don't forget GT does have one more year on forza and GT hasnt changed much over the past 20 years, yeah it has a lot of content. but it is still relatively the same formula. Not saying thats a bad thing, if it works why change it, which is the reason I think Forza is struggling, they changed it.
their is expanding a games life span correctly and organically, or forcing it to grow, one is never going to work.
Yeah the physics are amazing, just need to get rid of the tail out issues, i find it a little to exaggerated.
I like the Formula Mazda Spec Series. Since the release they give the same tracks with the same configuration and the same weather... I don't think I have ever had a dry race on Suzuka, Hockenheim, and Hakone. It's a joke not a game.
those races can always go one of 2 ways, either an absolute blast or absolute chaos lol. Yeah weather sucks, i did hear they removed variable weather because people complained of an unfair advantage???
@@Flashms They could at least rotate the weather every week or so. I love Suzuka and Hockenheim but I have enough of permanent rain on them. Now I avoid them. I really hope Gran Turismo will come to PC one day. They do it 1000x better.
@wdmeister yeah I think their is to much rain in the lobbies in general. Or night racing.
I very much doubt gt would ever come to pc. People have been asking for decades lol.
I tried so hard to turn this into my gran turismo after switching from ps4 to Xbox series x. The penalty system really kills it for me. It’s about 1/10 races are actually enjoyable now with good racing. The rest are just rammers.
I heard the penalty system has been improved and a few people have said it is good now.
Very rare do I encounter rammers bud. Maybe one in 20/30 races.
Vorza will continue to die as long as you have people running 10 to15 seconds ahead of the rest of the field it will end up like ACC
this is the problem with matchmaking, I do feel, one should qualify then but in the appropriate lobby based on their time set. That would provide competition for the fast alien drivers. and make things more fair for everyone at play. Again still need players to be here for this to happen.
@@Flashmsnow that’s an idea!
@@FlashmsIt's a problem, too, in Gran Turismo 7.
People who are fast don't qualify on purpose so as to start from the back of the grid, for the 'challenge'. Frigging egos 😢
@aftrax79 Every other titles does it this way so i fail to understand why forza does not do it
Oh yeah. That’s kinda to be expected. The good old ego sandbaggers. Yeah small PP problems there lol.
I think they should stop all updates and fix the main issues now, then release update after the new year
That would be nice, Like a update called bug fix and it addresses them all. they wont though. Rather keep breaking the game rather than fix it. Hoping with each update the bugs get buried lol
@@Flashms Yes because I’ve gotten so many races where the track turns black, and I’m like WTF ! Then the game shuts off , in career mode… good thing this hasn’t happened in the lobbies for now …
@eldominici3732 I though that only happened if you was running the game on a hdd. Man it’s so messed up and poorly optimised it’s not even funny
I think it’s just it lacks stuff. We are missing a ton of tracks and cars that they are taking months to give us. The multi class endurance racing was very fun. But the GT hopper rotation makes people not want to play it.
Yeah I get you bud.
I don't know about tracks, but I would definitely like to see them add one of the 70s De Tomaso Pantera to the game.
oooo yeah that would be great, along with a lot more of the hot hatch 90s and early 00s cars
I usually play single, but when I tried to multiplayer there are only 4 other drivers and I would like to race against over 20 drivers. So I quit.
It’s catch 22. Sometimes you play and it’s loaded while other times you expect it to be loaded and it’s empty. The severs can be a little funky at times.
I can get a little bored of the game due to people not been fast enough and the multiplayer rating not working how its supposed ro. Id say about 50% of my races pretty much turn into hot lapping sessions but then again if the player base has fallen off massively then i wont get the better players in my lobby. So what i did to combat that was use bad cars but i only really like racing C,B,A and S class and thise types of classes have a few op cars that half the oobbies race, so it basically turns into beat the miata/Exocet.
The crashes seemed to have gotten far worse to me and random glitchiness, i do keep going back to see if its improved and then not bothering again
I can totally understand that, but not relate lmfao (lack of skill lmfao)
This is exactly it, there are races where I win and races where I lose, I did suggest an idea to change the way we qualify, Kind of like GT and other games, You qualify and then it puts you in a lobby based on your skill and lap times, so you are matched with players of your same level. To me I am not fussed if there is 10 or 20 people in the lobby, rather have a race with someone on my level or faster so i can learn from them while improving on myself. Others did suggest players may sandbag but i do not believe that to be to much of an issue, Let me know what you think about the idea man,
Turns into beat the miata lmfao yeah a lot of those races are exactly like that, its a shame it is that way, A few new nice cars would alleviate some of this I hope but were lucky we get tracks at the moment.
Are you on PC? I am and I have nothing but issues lately, where as on release, i was as stable as a rock lol.
the gt2/gt3 split was ludacris imo... in a time of need for bug fixing and content dropping they allocated team recources for a weird change that i think nobody asked for. all my fav cars are in gt2, i rarely drive gt3 (pretty much only like the gt3 merc) so sometimes i dont even bother starting the game for a whole week if its gt4/gt3 in rotation. others detest the gt2 cars and dont race on those weeks etc. and while i get the split for gt4, that class only has 3 cars... like what? its just a mess.
Yeah it was a little screwwiff lol.
Yeah I mean we’re 11 months from release, bugs should be almost none existent lol.
Yeah I get the gt4 split. But like you say there is only 3 cars. Like who thought that was a good idea.
If they was going to split they should have tested bop and added more cars.
@@Flashms yeah i hope they get their things in order and revert or at least balance the changes they made with the different hoppers. to be fair tho, the game is in a vastly better state that 11 months ago. i rarely get any crashes anymore, performance is way better apart from framedops here and there. penalty system got way better imo. there's still issues for some people of course but you can see things got and continue to get better. of course its sad to have taken so long since release but sadly thats modern gaming for you...
Oh yeah I totally agree buddy. It is much better. I think if it released now in the condition it’s in people would have been a little more sympathetic. So yeah it was a year early you could say.
The frame drops is a pain on pc. Especially in practice and qualify. It’s like the consoles are using the pc players as a latch hmmmmm I dunno. But yeah overall it is much better.
Guarantee if rallycross was on here itd be jam packed
that would be an absolute blast, ngl.
Open up the game to modders.
Remove all controls from the developer.
This game would instantly turn into an amazing sim with tons of new buyers.
The game looks great, and the little time I spent with it in gamepass, it felt good.
But the devs have make it so clunky from a UI perspective, and all the locked items and progression killed it for me.
Not a lot of modding potential with it so locked down.
I have suggest this. They would have it fixed in a month. Those people who create mods are genius imo.
Which is why ac evo has worked so heavily (from what I believe) with modders.
It’s is clunky no 2 ways about it. I really think they were so cash strapped and under the thumb from the suits it destroyed itself from the inside out. Suits want income asap instead of looking further down the line.
Bit of a silly comment... it'll kill the whole console side of the game, and i reckon a good 80% of people play fm on console
There are ways to implement mods to console. Fallout 4 managed this. Also nothing stops turn 10. Implementing the mods on a hardware level. Thus fixing the game maybe ?? Clearly they are struggling at the moment. Nothing wrong with asking for help.
Hi Flash. Sorry I haven't commented lately, but I'm still watching your stuff. I'm expecting a new grand daughter, so my mind is preoccupied. What would really help Forza is more incentives to race. Ladders and tournaments would be nice, along with cool rewards like new suits that take a bit more to get. All of the current suits are so easy to get it hardly feels earned. Some statistics would also be welcome. It all kinda feels like nothing matters. I really don't mind this, since I play most of my games single player just to enjoy the drive. I just create custom racers, and barely ever bother with the other so-called championship stuff. It's just too bland. So in conclusion, incentive is what the game needs. Unfortunately, they played it way too safe, and didn't try to innovate like they should have. We live in such a weird spot in gaming currently. Most old games used to do it better. On occasion, we get a nice gem of a game, but most are just serviceable. I still like this game a lot, but I expected a more casual game. That's ok for me. I don't have the reflexes I used to. I also love to tune. It's the most challenging part of the game. Take care Flash.
Hey bud how are you keeping???
That’s fine mate it’s no worries. Great to see you comment again :).
Ooooo man that’s amazing, Congratulations, best of luck to the family buddy.
Yeah more incentive would be amazing. Even mixing times on featured with rivals and create a leaderboard. Thus providing more competition during a race. We have all suggested this but it falls on death ears sadly.
Yeah I don’t not even do the career stuff. Cannot stand the ai. And the races are a little boring for me. So I have earned 0 cars lmfao.
Not my cup of tea that. If it had more to it maybe. But ooooo do a few races and get a car just does nothing for me so I leave it.
I get that man. There needs to be more, more the fast guys and more for people who want a more casual experience. Again I find the career to be so soulless I cannot stand it lol.
I have to get myself more invested in tuning. I have like a base I set on most cars and adjust little by little. Need to educate myself better there lol. It can be great fun the nerdy stuff.
All the best my friend :) and again congratulations and best wishes to the family buddy.
Forza has a problem with designing the game for racing. The most Important thing. Ai is useless for offline racing. Crash into you and no close racing, and ai perform unrealistic. It's frustrating to by a racing game and can't engage in racing. Secondly, the short tracks are a turn off, real racing they use the full course, people. I don't even know the short tracks, real racing, you race the full tracks. So frustrating to find a race in the lobby at your favorite track but they are not racing the full course, frustrating and meaningless, again these are the fundamentals of racing, which should addressed before we talk about all cake stuff.
oh no kidding, i have done videos on how bad the ai is lol.
I think the short tracks depend on the race class, for touring I know they use a lot of short tracks such as brands hatch short etc, but again thats down to class of cars etc.
I think maybe more thought should be put into the type of class racing and which track to use, rather than maximising the use of every track layout they have to offer lol.
It’s so hard to say what might fix it at this point really. I don’t want to say it’s almost dead but maybe thats just denial lol. The game has its upsides and its downsides. Ultimately, I think the best thing they could do is put their hands up and say we messed up. Start with changing how they are treated the devs and bring in a lot of extra people. Then throw out every piece of new content and fix they can add before the holidays. And make it free to play from mid October- mid January. They also have the new spectator mode coming up. They should host events live on their social media and go big with them. Host qualifiers to race on the lives. Give away special prizes like special livery’s and cars for people who participate. And give away prizes for winners. I know that’s gonna probably cost them more money than they’re willing to put into it but come on their Microsoft. It’s one of the few racing games on Xbox. if they don’t make an attempt to save it, there’s not much left.
I am not sure man, i have been seeing and hearing all week players struggling to find other players, and for the first time in my ever play through, that was the most populated lobby that day lol.
exactly this mate honesty and the fix it. Nothing wrong with holding your hands up and admitting failures. But putting them under the rug just upsets people. I also blame Microsoft because they are funding this mess and have the team knowledge and skill to fix this in a month lol.
Spectator mode coming before replay fixes, shows they would rather give us new broken toys to play with, to cover up the cracks that have not been repaired.
this is it, it needs saving, one of few games that have the potential of being the greatest, yet fail for pleasing the suits at corporate level. I would happily teabag each of the suits for this mess. LMAO. Flash teabagging lmfao.
It is Microsoft, but Microsoft has something called forza horizon which has been one of the only games they make that actually retains players.
Turn 10 were given extra time for this game because fm7 basically flopped. This was their chance to give themselves a chance and they failed to deliver. Theres a good possibility this will be the last motorsport game.
The things you wrote they should do were done to an extent with fm6, they pumped a lot of money into frc (forza racing championship) and it didnt pan out.
With this game they have the logitech mclaren g challenge event. It's not exactly lighting up the charts. This game is not popular, Flash is 1 of literally a handful of people who even put out videos on it. Its dunzo
@@im2fast4u711 yeah thats true, that game has become a gold mine for them lol
I have heard the saying they did it bad to finish the franchise off.
Yeah thats fair bud
yeah thats true, I hope you enjoy them LMFAO.
@@Flashms I enjoy your videos, I hoped by having so little content creators that the few who remained would have seen more success as the game got better. There is fun to be had in this game, there are some great, fast and clean players out there who want this game to succeed, but the writings on the wall. They committed to adding content through 2025, we'll see what happens in the coming months.
@@im2fast4u711 thanks bud, Imean i am over the moon at at where i have come, so i have been blessed to be honest bud.
there is a lot of fun to be had, maybe give them time and things will keep improving, never know, maybe one day, itll be the best one out there lol. never know lol.
Yeah, it is a good sign that they have added a plan of action, and not set the bar to high either, yeah we would of loved to have seen more and a larger plan of action, but at the moment and with the history, i feel it is a safe achievable goal they have set.
Unfortunately the time to add some sort of killer feature or game mode was last year. Theyve just lost so many players releasing the game with both the lack of content and issues it has.
Even though im not a drifter, adding fujimi kaido would probably bring the most people into the game. Even though these type of people wont help competitive multiplayer or flesh out the single player experience, they will generate revenue which is what any studio needs to continue developing a game.
The games improvements are only relative to the fact that it launched at such a low level. At their current track release cadence, another 6 tracks will be added after the one year anniversary.
Starting in december its bathurst, theres 4 more tracks from fm7 that are likely to come back, those are cota, long beach, monza and sonoma. That leaves 1 more spot for either a new real world track or another existing fantasy like theyre doing with sunset peninsula.
So basically 2 years in, this game will still have less tracks than fm7. Thats not encouraging because if they dont gain enough traction in the next year, there wont be any money to invest in any new tracks for a possible third year of support.
They still havent sorted out the ai and qol features for single player, they still havent sorted out penalties and they still havent sorted out bop. 2 of these things were specifically highlighted as being priorities in the beginning of the year, neither are any closer to being acceptable.
I dont think the game is dead, as technically there are people who play, but i think turn 10 have killed this franchise. Imo theres honestly nothing that they could realistically do that can save the game. Their chance was at release and unfortunately for everyone they blew that chance.
Yeah exactly buddy, to little to late rings the bell but no one is home lol
thats right and we cannot see that as a bad thing, those players may also migrate over to the featured events to, even if its 1 in 10 still one more than before lol.
Yeah this is my biggest frustration is the lack of tracks for a game thats got such good heritage. I mean come on, no one in their right mind thinks a dozen tracks is enough. so lets drip feed on every other month. I would understand if we had 20-30 tracks, to drip feed but for what we have is atrocious.
I do like the idea of more fantasy tracks, some of them were insanely good and lets say its a license issue, then drop us some of your own created tracks, that is still awesome in itself.
Yeah, it is no where near enough, I still blame the suits and Microsoft for this, they are also funding for this tactic or business style. Not like Microsoft does not have the team to fix this in a month, because they do. So by funding this tactic they are 50 percent to blame. while the other lies with the suits at turn 10. Thats my opinion. Others may disagree lol
Also they still not fixed replays, like come on, every racing game, even on the PS1 with your terrible memory card could record replays lol. Driver 1, you could create a short movie on your card lmfao. Yet 30 years later a well established company took 6 months to implement a working replay system, but limit it while they were at it lol. Crazy.
I mean we saw how cyberpunk released and fixed. No excuse for turn 10 not to do the same, but instead of investing, or fixing, they took a step back, sip of tea and started to slowly fix things that were not of great concern but looked easy to do lol.
Other than that, really the model is amazing, physics, feel etc. While now it is in such a better state than before and we do have an absolute blast with playing, as you can see from my videos. I do feel others may not get the same experience as myself which is a problem in itself.
@Flashms we'll likely never no exactly what happened during development and the reasons why things are the way they are.
In 2019 they had an early play test program and I was a part of it. Although I can't say much about it as it's not worth breaking the nda, I will say the snails pace we see now hasn't changed much from that time.
There certainly are budgets and business decisions that effect how a game is, but this games development seemed to suffer from more than just those things.
I think from the start they knew they wanted to soft reboot the series, with more of a focus on actual racing. I think they wanted to head in a little more sim direction. I think these things made it through.
The places they took a wrong turn was their focus on ray tracing, their focus on fomo, their focus on a time consuming grind under a progression guise.
This game was originally going to be cross gen. Around late 2020 it was decided not to go this route. I think a lot of time and money was wasted doing this. I think this is why tracks and cars were merely reshaded and not remodeled.
This shift in direction effected every other part of the game. Originally they were given some extra time to make the game, then all of the sudden there wasn't enough time, which is why when it launched it wasnt finished.
They then used the live service excuse for its lack of content and features, but that couldn't excuse all the bugs. Like I said above, we won't get all the real world tracks from fm7 till the end of next year. That's 2 years just to hit parity.
I fully blame turn 10 for design direction flaws like fomo, the horrible upgrade progression and the lack of basic options and features. But the shift from cross gen to next gen only wasn't their fault. Running out of time wasn't their fault.
But they should have been more transparent from the start. The game should have been early access and I guarantee more people would have understood the situation and stuck by them longer than most did.
This is unfortunately a hole that can't be dug out from. The numbers just won't ever be there. I know people are upset about lobby numbers in featured multiplayer, but it also wasn't fair that many other players didn't have options to race what they wanted.
I think the game is what it is, I dont think adding more lobby types is detrimental to the game as a whole as people can just enjoy what they want to enjoy while they can.
Eventually people will naturally migrate to certain things instead of being forced to. This is how it should have started. Turn 10 then could have seen the numbers and focused on what people liked.
I think the biggest takeaway from this whole situation is, turn 10 needs to be built from the ground up. They need to get people who play racing games, who know about cars, about tracks and about motorsport in general. The competition is too tough to fake it at this point.
nah of course not, as if we will ever hear the juicy gossip lol.
I get you bud, team of 3 in the office while 2 are taking a 8 hour dump lol.
oh yeah I agree they have made the sim side of it very well, while not alienating the casual players. that they have got down amazingly.
yeah i do agree, i dont run ray tracing, to me it only looks good in photomode lmfao. waste of resources IMO
I get the live service idea, but then you have to charge a reasonable price for the game to begin with. AAA price is a AAA game, you dont buy now and have it ready in 3-5 years lmfao, that early access and thats why those games are heavily discounted. Having played many many EA games, I love the idea of EA watching, helping a game grow. again they are like 15 pound not 70 lol.
I do agree poor decisions were made, I think on paper they sounded amazing but like you say time was not on their side so a lot of things did go untested.
Yeah i think they played the market wrong, their term built from the ground up was used correctly in their eyes and from a marketing standpoint it was termed correctly but in context of the audience it was incorrect. Because they wanted it to be a live service, the engine had a full rebuilt to accommodate this seamlessly. So yes it was "built from the ground up" but not in the way we understood. Again this poor marketing should have been addressed.
"They need to get people who play racing games, who know about cars, about tracks and about motorsport in general. The competition is too tough to fake it at this point."
You are exactly right, I do feel for the team that worked their, I understand and know a good bit of what went on, but as you say, bringing in a passionate team with the right knowledge and skill would and could make a huge difference.
The problem that they lied and that it was obvious to everybody. No tracks and cars will bring back the players until the game is really ready and this will take another1-2 years at this bad state of the game.
Yeah they are working at a snails pace. Where as upon the poor reception on release. They should have been all hands on deck to fix it like other developers do
I’ve been subbed here on n off from start of FM, I like your content and personality, I unsubbed each time I uninstalled the game through frustration at the crashes, glitches, blah blah blah. I think I reinstalled 6 or 7 times after seeing youtubers having a better time with updates. The introduction of radar was a calling for me to get back on and try again, I was keen to get some value for the £100 per-ordered game! I did get some good fun in before the first crash, a little more before the second and so it went on…….YAWN lol. I am so frustrated and somewhat desperate to play this game, it is very good fun when all goes well, it has massive potential but they need to find a way to claw back players [obviously] LOL. Watching youtubers playing the game, I noticed those on X-Box were having very few issues…..Hmmm. I bought X-Box series X two weeks ago and my experience is drastically improved! I’ve not had a single crash or menu stutter, not been kicked from a lobby or race, it’s been a pleasure to play….ALREADY LOL So I’ve spent over £500 to play this game, although the xbox will be better for me with other games going forward, it’s a struggle for me to keep up with PC gaming costs now. Today I wrote to Forza support and asked for my game content to be moved to xbox and shut down steam version as I will never use that again, fingers crossed for me, at least there will be one more in the lobby soon :). I think private organised racing is best way forward at this point for hardcore racers. I look forward to racing with you soon…..CHEERS
I get you bud, glad to see you back though.
Yeah the crashing does seem to be a little prominent at the minute, No idea why but it is absolutely daft. No game should hard crash the way this one does lol.
Oh yeah if you are on console you have such little issues it makes you question was this ported to PC by an 8 year old lol. PC experience and optimisation is terrible no 2 ways about it.
Let me know what you get as a reply buddy, it would be interesting to know what they say here bud.
smashing, i am glad you are braving the return lmfao, make sure you join the discord, link in description. I do feel console players did get a better deal, I am surprised there was not more of a backlash from players on the steam platform seeing they are paying full price rather than for game pass lol. I have to be honest, if i paid the price it was on steam, i would have refunded lmfao. so I am glad there is Gamepass for PC lmfao
Hope you are well buddy
@@Flashms I will let you know how it goes and I will join you on Discord very soon maybe even tomorrow. If it wasn't for my personal circumstances and the uniqueness of the game, I would have scraped it for sure. Believe it or not this is the third time I bought n xbox just to play fprza motorsport, I did it for 1st and 3rd version, it's a great game when working well. Have a cracking weekend.
@@Boney-UK64 smashing bud itll be great to see you man, I get you bud, dont leave us just yet lol, we will keep you going lmfao.
you to my friend you to :D
@@Flashms I got a reply just 6 hours after ticket........"There is not currently a way to transfer saved data or purchases between profiles/accounts. There is also not a way to transfer saved data between Steam and Windows Store/Xbox. This includes game progress, achievements, cars, credits, inventory, in game purchases and DLC.". my response was "Thanks for the fast reply.
Ok so no game data but you could give me the games and DLC for both games tho, it doesn't seem right I've spent over £500 to play a game that was clearly miss sold, and I still have to buy it all again? Is that really the best you are able to do?" I would have thought they would do anything to get more people playing and a better customer relationship, I don't want anything for nothing anymore than I want to pay twice! I have to wonder how many working brain cells they have between them, I bet you can count em on one hand PMSL
@@Boney-UK64 ooooof that is a shame, I can kind of understand not being able to transfer the sale, steam may charge more less than microsoft so someone would be out of pocket and tax reasons etc etc, many companies are like this for these reasons. but not being able to transfer saves is a shame. there are many games out there where you can transfer by asking nicely, your save data.
Nah maybe not, It is daft though, I mean in reality steam and xbox game pass are just launchers and your launching into the same game, so really its a case of using the same email to log into your forza file and everything should be there regardless if you are using console PC or even an abacus lol
Forza Motorsport 23 was a complete failure at launch. It has been patched and had a few things improved. But still, Chris Esaki, lied to the community for over a year, FFB for wheels are still being worked out. One of the biggest complaints from me is a shameful lack of options mostly including a private multiplayer than includes the same features as Featured Multiplayer. I hate this current adaption of motorsport, and I hope they become FAILZA MOTORSPORT after this mess. My only positive thing I can say is that it came out day one on game pass and I for one and very thankful. I have played it, I hate it, and I genuinely feel sad this is the first Forza game I did NOT buy. I hope it dies, and continued playtime tells them you support FOMO, limited track release, limited features and evil practices when they made this game and lied about its state, its performance, and its stability.
oh yeah bud, I know you say FFB settings on a wheel, I have fine tuned the wheel to a good standard, well for myself anyway. so if you need a starting point i do have a video on this, called wheel settings.
Private multiplayer was lacking at launch and still kind of lacking in customization now.
OOO man thats such a shame you feel that way bud. I really enjoy the game for the most part, as you can see I do so much content on FM lol.
Yeah it could have a load more things, While like you hope they wake up, I hope they wake up and realise that the suits do not know better and the community standards and expectations should also come into account. Someone on the team just needs to make a good cup of coffee and tell the group HOW IT SHOULD BE DONE lol. and not listen to higher ups and get the ball rolling. Were on the way slowly, but like many have said, it may be a little to late.
@@Flashms I'm talking about just adding FFB settings that applied to the G923 last month. 10 months to make the feature of the G923 work. SAD. Some people, like me, don't ever want to go back to the days of playing with rammers, little kids who have access to games, but don't have a real driver's license, or people who just don't give a crap about ruining your race. All of those things i just mentioned are made worse by a terrible penalty system that gets the penalty wrong more than 50% of the time. Private multiplayer in past versions of Forza, on Xbox, (less power for options) had the feature to add AI bots to a race for you and your friends. When the first Forza goes to PC in FM7, (more power to add more options,) this is removed, many people complained after 7, and they leave it out again. That is the deal breaker for me. I feel like I am writing a novel of a rant, and for that I apologize, but this game, the way it was made, built up by the devs with lies, then released to the public, is a huge slap in the face to the people who have supported it for years.
OOO I get you now bud, i mean why break a habit of being slow of the mark lol took 6 months to even get replays to work lmfao.
I am doing a video on the new penalty system as of now and will come out tomorrow evening. I do hope you come by and watch it, let me know what you think as improvements have been made bud.
Honestly bud, you are more than welcome to rant here. I do hope turn 10 see these videos and comments, take on board what is felt by the community. There is no need to apologise we all have passion in the game and all wish it onto better things, I would rather you talk your mind and have passion in what you are saying.
Again i do hope you stop by in the next video. and all the best bud
Well I think a drag race mode and a drifting mode for people who like that and like special events with rewards to get
I am quite surprised they picked drift, considering we already 90 percent of a drag setup implemented. But let’s see how that turns out. Does sound like fun
I used to be a hardcore Forza player since the game was released, i haven't played in about 3 weeks since the game got so bad these days. We got Road Atlanta and i've only raced there a couple of times, the game is just not as good as it should be.
OOO man sorry to hear you put the controller down and feel this way, dont get me wrong, i love the game, i think its awesome, but the lack of content, players, along with more bugs than ever for PC ( i am a PC player) I am struggling to find a race and stay in it without something breaking in the game causing a hard crash lol
@@Flashms yes, and also the lobbies, so empty and i can't find the type of races i want, that is a big issue, i have to settle for what Turn 10 wants me to race in the week and half the time, they are races that just don't seem interesting.
@@artpena72 yeah, we been asking for more strategy in the races such as tire and fuel, be awesome to start a race with only a certain amount of fuel, drive hard and have to pit or take it easy and see what happens, same with forced tire compounds, love to see a forced soft and hard etc ideas like that
Turn 10 needs to nurture it’s serious fan base by adding an overwatch system to put rammers in bad lobbies.
Hahahaha I remember the dunce lobby in gta v. That was a place to avoid lol.
@@Flashms exactly it would be a win for everyone!
Serious players and take things serious in S rank and it would really mean something.
Rammers stay in the naughty corner.
And turn 10 doesn’t habe to ban anyone.
@Wezly17 well we have all suggested that s rank should be much harder to get while also being harder to lose, so keeping the “sim” drivers at the level their expecting. I think the issues is the size of the player base. Only turn 10 have the full numbers who are on daily.
@@Flashms true
Things do seem to be on the up :D
Actually was in a touring car race alone in multiplayer,,,,anyways i think there should be a certain amount of ai cars in multiplayer races to help fill grids
Alone. Hey least you get podium lmfao.
Imagine ai vs rammers. That would be an interesting lobby lol
I've had full lobbies every night. I don't see the issue on the Xbox x
Not sure man. Everyone been telling me lobbies are empty. Then I hopped on and spent a day looking for pop and I was greeting with 0 lol. Seems to be better again now. So not sure what was going on
I feel so scammed after paying full price for this game and the season passes, thought they would fix it but the design was broken from the beginning, there was no game, just a subpar simulator with a terrible system on top of it that never resembles a game
I can totally understand bud. Although it is far better now than what it was at release. It is a shame they have not implemented more cars for the vip or car pass holders.
To be fair I think I don’t think it’s subpar simulator at its bones. The physics etc are really good and so is the feeling on the wheel. It’s everything else above it that has had little thought.
The # of players participating in the featured rival events has been trending up for some time.
I have been hearing different, and experiencing different. Usually I have been very lucky, this time i spent all day looking for a lobby and this was the most populated lol. But you are right the lobbies have been getting better, we shall see what happens no kids are back at school
hoper you are keeping well my friend
They need to do something to matchmaking again by the looks of the lobbies.
Yeah, something needs to change bud, I am sure the game is not empty, its the matchmaking being funky again
I m playing GT7 on PS4 and the lobbies are constantly filled with 14-16 players no matter the time I play and despite there being a lot of DR SR categories (sometimes categories get mixed to fill the lobbies but I Ve never seen a 3 person race on GRAN TURISMO)
Yeah, I am usually in a full lobby, this is the first time I have actually spent an hour hopping lobbies to find drivers lol, everyone usually asks me where do i find everyone lol, i think it was my turn to be shoved at the end of the matchmaking list lmfao.
we are all mixed to, Our safety rating is mixed from C to S(S being the best), people lower than C are not usually mixed in with the higher tier, but it does happen like you say to try and fill lobbies.
3 man race, to be fair only time i had i a lower race was when there was 5 of us, and that was one of my most intense battles lol, again I always say whether there is 20 or 5, your only competing with the person in front and defending from behind. As long as you got that, having 18 more people in the mix is irrelevant lol. Providing their great competition and your having fun is all that matters lol.
All the best buddy.
maybe it has to do with testdrive unlimeted solar crown coming out? all those headstart players getting annoyed by the mess that game is at currently...
I tried that game upon EA release and i have to try it out again lol. Did look great at the time, so i can understand there bud
@@Flashms it's gorgious for me at 4k 120 fps at ultra settings, but it has problems...
@@D0G_CN yeah i tried it on a wheel it was dreadfull lol, what have you found ?
@@Flashms oh login errors and midrace server loading problems...
and the ai drive super scripted, they will end you if you happen to be in the way
Ooofff yeah that’s not good man. I mean I still remember tdu2 was a mental game and so was the first one. I thought this could be the same but feels like it fell short of it.
It annoys me when people dont qualify like you think you got 1st but then sweats dont qualify and catch up super fast and it makes me not feel accomplished because you just feels like they would do better and it isnt really that fast and my skill rating is just too high im always getting 4th to 7th and can never win , im 4900 and theres so much people faster than me like 1 second faster a lap
I was taking with a few friends and we all think that you should qualify before you are matched into a race. This would create time and skill based lobbies and provide fair competition for all. Of course there will always be people sandbagging but that’s like 10 percent. Those who are not qualifying are just bored of having no competition so they’re looking for a thrill in another way.
this game made me sell my xbox x and switch to pc to have the best experience with any other title. disaster. I am glad that it suffers and lost its users. Releasing / selling beta-test version and not understanding what such title should include from the start (like radar) is a shame. Hope that they'd vanish together with goats that commented others moaning about the bugs.
Wow that is a change but a worthy upgrade. I am on pc and the amount more games I have access to is unreal lol.
Yeah it’s fair enough selling a beta game but that should also be reflected in the price tag. Charging full game AAA price, one would expect AAA qualify and polish.
How are you finding the pc life ???
@@Flashms great without FM8. ACC on LFM mostly, Dirt 2.0 as well. AC for casual driving. Both polished and worth every cent.And ACC is a true sim, not simcade or arcade. Never getting back to FM.
Acc and LFM is amazing. I would also recommend ac is content manager and mods. It’s amazing with LFM to.
Oh yeah mate. They are real sims no 2 ways about it. Worth every penny to because let’s be honest they are cheap lol. Acc with all the dlc is stil really cheap and it’s stunning game.
I really want to get into racing games and I'm researching for weeks now but it seems like every single racing game's online pvp is dead. Steamcharts are like either a few 100 or like 2k players playing. Why is that? Are all racing games bound to discord communities?
I mean I wouldn’t say forza is dead. Sometimes the servers do not do themselves justice lol.
I mean there are a lot of communities that may well be worth joining. Also if your on pc. You can always join low fuel motorsport bud not sure how it works with console though.
Maybe more people will play when it turns winter?
That is a great thought. I mean in the uk the summer has sucked lol. Not much sun where I am anyway lol
5 tracks
knockhill
monza
monaco
baku
portimao
OMG Knockhill would be so amazing man
Monza would be a first corner giggle fest, ghost your way through
Rest is amazing idea
Hmm, u had bad luck i play all day today and I have full lobbies. Maybe it's a Rating issue.
I get you bud, others have been saying for a while, lobbies have been dead, and like yourself, I always on first click, found a full or close to full lobby each and every time, but this week, I have really been struggling. 3-5 each lobby for the past few days, I think its more down to X amount of servers, Y amount of players, so instead of filling up X lobby, their spreading the Y across all the servers. If your paying for it might as well use it lmfao. Again, its all i have been hearing from the community and fellow friends.
@@Flashms You mentioned in the video what developers could do to make the game more fun. I would like the game to be able to turn off and on the engine and turn on the lights. Using dipped or hazard lights. It may seem small, but imagine in a multi-class race car that you turn on the right signal and pull to the right so that someone can overtake you. That would be fun and immersive, would it?
Oooo I totally get you there. Because all these are used to indicate people to pass for example or to move over so you can pass. Create a distraction and more. This is exactly it buddy. Engine off and on should be a choice to for start of races. That would be fun. Forgetting to start your engine. lol. I’ve done it before in other titles lol.
I think it’s a great idea bud. Other titles have this feature. So I cannot see why it cannot be implemented here.
I’ve never tried the spec races due to owning ACC so I race to in open class A,S,R. I’ve never seen a lobby this low in open class. It’s actually pretty good for racing and the standards have drastically improved from other racers.
Turn 10 lied to the public and made themselves look like evil con men which they are. Forza isn’t a viable GT game. Come to open class and play real old school Forza. Only streamers do GT, I find it boring.
I get that bud.
Yeah open class does seem to really hold population. I tried it out the other day and it was an absolute blast lol.
I get that man. I stream now and again but that’s for fun and nothing serious. Should come and join the giggle one time bud. Most immature adults you’ll ever meet lmfao.
I love the game still and play a lot, but seem to be a minority. I also find plenty of full lobbies but there are times i cant.
One thing i am desperate for tho is a stat tracker. I want to know how many wins podiums and poles i have
@@petemaddox1716 yeah safe to say touring cars seems to hold population well. While the rest do dribble off.
Oooo that would be nice. We have been asking for this for a long time. I do hope it comes
@@Flashms in all honesty I think some had too grand and expectation of the game. My expectations were to have something similar to live service with spec lobbies like we had as didn't like the hopper system in 7. Was hoping for V8 supercar lobbies (which should be in rotation with touring car and not gt4) as well as indycar and formula e which have been absent. But it's still lightyears ahead of FM7 but would like some FM4 stuff brought back particularly the community hubs
I never play single player and never intended to so can't really comment on it
@petemaddox1716 oh yeah while I do feel some did have high expectations. It fell short of people who didn’t even care. Upon release it was a complete buggy mess with crickets chirping in the wind due to the lack of content. Yeah it was a good baseline. But you cannot charge AAA price for a game that had so little content, never mind the bugs and bugs don’t count as content lol. It may well be a live service. But you have to go on value for money or what the competition is doing for the same price more or less. And while a huge amount of the competition gave you more for less money. The game may well be a live service. Which I can understand from a game pass standpoint. But it was also sold at a base price of 60 pound and top price of almost 100. Like that’s not a live service price. That’s a release title with content price.
Single player I had a go and lasted 20 minutes. lol it’s terrible.
@@Flashms I suppose your right about the value for money, being a game pass subscriber I don't tend to think about those things and am not necessarily so upset when it's not as good as expected, same with starfield because you can just move onto something else
Yeah exactly. I am a game pass user myself but on pc. I regularly see forza on steam at its full price and it reminds me lmfao.
The 2 most annoying things on forza are the Penally system and the people that use traction control 😂.
I find online gets busy after 11am. I'm onwards. I'm from the UK .
Ah man this race was at like 4 pm.
What’s wrong with traction control ?? I don’t use it but I cannot see a problem for people to use it. These cars have it in the real world.
And yeah ok I agree with the penalty system lol
I went to ACC its a far better game and the penalty is so much better. FORZA has lost my business for life it's just really bad company who like the rest of the main AAA titles has lost there way. Hire me I'll turn any one of these AAA titles into a game of the year for 5 years straight. EA Mircosoft hire me as a consultant. I've been playing games for over 30 years.
I do not blame you bud. Acc is an absolute blast.
Yeah I don’t know what it is with today and big companies. To many suits invent and just see the numbers but have no clue what a game is so in the end they ruin the company by telling them how to make a profitable game.
You get in there bud and show them who’s boss
@@Flashms get 20 gamers over the age of 30 and I promise we could change the video game industry over night. And make these people more money than they have every seen.
@DominicRusso-b1i I’m in lol.
I loved Forza! They destroyed it! Hire the right people for the job. If you don't like video games or racing you shouldn't work on them. Built to fall to the ground. Assetto the original is so much better.
The people who make games aren’t gamers anymore , they just think it sounds good to say they are game developers so the passion isn’t there sadly
Yeah except the suits preferred to cost cut rather than build something better and attract money from the customers that way. Well done suits. Highly intelligent lol
Exactly buddy
simple answer......Yes..forza is dead
Fair play lmao
@@Flashms I've been playing Forza since part 2...and believe me...there's never been anything like this...not after the game has been out for only 10 months...I've been taking a break for 4 weeks because I want to give it another chance to get better. But without players, every game is doomed
Yeah that’s is fair. I missed a few lmfao. I didn’t enjoy 7. So only have a few hours in that one. Again I do hope they are able to draw players back. This week seems to be of to a good start but i don’t know man
@@Flashms I'll check after update 15 whether it's worth continuing... new year, new luck, so to speak. But I'm afraid it won't recover. The core customers are simply gone.
@theresist2709 I get you bud. Well i hope you keep an eye out here and see how the game goes on.
Yes. It's dead
Yea it's a shame they ruined it
I have plenty of fun racing ai cars anyways
It’s such a shame though Devon.
I agree Jesse. They had a year to really have al hands on deck. But they choose otherwise.
I don’t know how man. The ai is dreadful lol
this game is dead because its not a real sim its a sim cade which means its an arcade racing game
Being a simcade means it borders arcade and sim, forza have done that balance rather well, one of very few things they have done well, that being said, this does not destroy a game, else it would have been gone A long time ago. Forza has always been a simcade and has been making it for 20 years. Same with other titles across other consoles.
Only company I know that went belly up was project cars. Simcades if done well are very popular, so are hardcore sims and so are arcade games. Each to their own on what they prefer to play, but does not mean that because its a simcade that it fails.
I want to play it for exactly that reason
@@Boney-UK64 Turn 10 got the cade absolutely spot on, if anything its more sim than cade. just everything else attached that has cracks lol.
It's OK I only play single player😅
If I want to play with real player I go to iracing
Awwww man that’s brave. Not sure i could do that with the way the ai behaves lol