The difference isn't enough for me to justify buying a 4k TV, player and discs. I got glasses a couple yrs ago and that made more a difference than picture resolution
Aside from a good player, most people need a bigger TV, at least 65", and need to sit closer. Most people over a certain age were brought up taught that you should sit a certain distance from the tube because supposedly it was bad for the eyes to sit close, but ideally you probably don't want to sit any further than about 6 feet from a 65" to 75" screen to get the most from the increased resolution. And of course some 4K releases are better than others. ;)
I appreciate these videos man. I’m glad somebody is emphasizing how personal a collection is. A lot of collectors care about other people’s opinions. They like things based on what others tell them to like.
I have a friend who is a snob for UHD 4K, and will tolerate Blu Ray. He has zero love for anything less. I, however, am easily satisfied. If the picture is clear and the sound is good, I am fine. I still have a 1080p TV, and honestly my dvds are just fine for me. I grew up with VHS, so I know what crap really looks like. 😆 I love collecting dvds and Blu Rays because they allow me to build an amazing collection for very little money. I walked out of my local pawn shop the other day with 11 dvds for $9 total. I own only one 4K UHD, Transformers the movie from 1986, only because that film is special to me, and I wanted the steelbook it came in. Collect what you love!
Came here to say the exact same thing, but you beat me to it. My childhood was in the 80's and early 90's I stomached movies/TV recorded show's that needed tracking adjustments.... I watched stuff that was skewed at the top of the screen. DVD is fine for me, although I do have a few Blu Ray movies. The reason I have Blu-ray's is I've effectively future proofed my favorite movies/shows it's also that I got them dirt cheap second hand. I'm from the UK... Second hand DVD's can be found at 10 for a £1 and Blu Ray's can be found at 50p-£2 for 1 second hand. Side note: Don't get me started on CD's.
Then there is so much your friend has volunteered to miss out on, most of the TV shows before the 2010s are only on DVD, a good bit of movies and documentaries and comedy shows never made it past DVD, even the ones that made it to Blu-ray, a great many never made it to 4K.
I have a 4K snob friend too. He is always getting on my butt about getting a 4K TV, like dude, just cause you're in love with 4K doesn't mean I have to be, lol. I am fine with Blu-Rays and DVDs as well.
@@Ocelot35 HD caught on around 2010. You're a little late to the party. On the bleeding edge was 2005-2006. By 2008 HD was quite common. In 2010-2012, the prices for LCD TVs came down a lot and there was major adoption to the HD format. 4k TVs have been popular since about 2016. Prices dropped in 2018 for 4k but rised in 2021 due to the pandemic chip shortages, and prices are going down again the past couple of years. High end 4k TVs are still expensive but not being on the bluray format is kind of silly at this point.
I dont own many 4k blu rays. Im happy with blu ray. I will buy blu ray and even dvd 99% of the time. I dont really like blind buying 4ks because of the price. If I really emjoy the film on blu ray I may double dip on 4k.
Blu ray is a great format still. Became cheaper thanks to 4k. I love 4k and all. If i see a super cheap blu ray set that costs as much as on 4k. I am grabbing the blu ray collection. Blu ray will still be the backbone to many collections.
Excellent vid, you said it so well: it literally does not matter what other people feel about your format of choice, they are not going to be at your house watching it with you. So to hell with their opinion!
It's good to adjust you're perception of these formats. We should be happy with any formats there is available to us. 4k can be amazing, but also a well done bluray transfer can be satisfying. Not all movies needs a 4k treatment, but all of them deserve physical media treatment.
The only expectation for a movie lover and collector that I have is buy what you love (and will rewatch eventually) and buy what you can comfortably afford. Don't worry about how much others have.
Don't NEED it, but god damn is it fun! Really the resolution isn't where it always shines imo, Dolby Vision/HDR is really where it makes up for it on a lot of newer releases. Older films on film look AMAZING of 4K, truly unreal. It's not NEEDED, but it is by far the best way to watch your favorite films
I love my 42" plasma TV. Movies, especially old movies, which is mostly what I watch look best on plasma. I don't watch TV shows, I'm not into the CGI spectacles, I don't watch sports. They don't make plasmas anymore. I bought mine in 2007 for $1200. It still works perfectly. I'm not going to throw it in the trash to buy a new TV that will probably have to be replaced every couple years. I'm gonna keep this plasma as long as possible. Blu-ray looks great on it.
I guess you don't remember how bad frame rates were on the previous gen consoles. If you want the highest frame rates, you can use a PC. It just costs a lot more than a console. 4k gaming may not be necessary but that doesn't mean it isn't better.
I personally think that Blu-ray was a big upgrade from DVD, but going to 4k is quite often not much of a leap beyond that. With that said, there are some 4K discs with HDR that are truly jaw dropping, however there have been quite a few 4k releases of films that I have on Blu-ray that are really underwhelming and not worth the money. I really think it depends on the standard of transfer for each release and I’ve seen some blu rays that look better than some 4K discs. You are dead right that you should just collect what the hell you want to collect. That should be the only gold standard.
@AngelValdez-mr3fq Well, we're sorry we're not uptight arseholes with eagle eye genes who define our experiences by how toxic we can be to other enthusiasts.
@h8GW You don't need an eagle eye ln 65 inch tv. I'm not being toxic but your comment might mislead someone into thinking it's not worth the upgrade when it is night and day in details. Would you buy a TV only capable of 1080p over a 4k tv? No you would not. So why do that with physical media?
In Canada most 4K's I like are $50! You gotta be independently wealthy to collect! Kino, Shout, Vinegar ect are expensive! Conversion & shipping are crazy.
I was debating on getting Aliens 4K until a UA-camr put it side-by-side with the previous Blu-ray. Turns out the newest release was just an AI upscale with DNR on the older Blu-ray master, which had already been sourced from a 4k scan.
that isn't a fair representation of the work done on the 4k version. The HDR color grade alone was more effort then you are giving them credit for, and the main reason to consider it over the bluray if you have a quality TV. Resolution isn't everything.
@@Antimonkat That’s fair. My issue isn’t with HDR color-grading more-so than the elimination of natural grain that contributed to the atmospheric texture of the movie - I’m one of those suckers for that filmic look.
I'm so glad you brought this topic up. It seems these days, everyone is losing their mind to own 4K. I just got back into physical media again, and I got myself a Sony Blu-ray player, and I have a 75"tv. I'm more than happy with the performance and quality of Blu-ray. Just because a new kid's on the block🤔We are so quick to forget what we have.🇨🇦🇯🇲❤️👊🏽
Amazing subject and you are so right. People should collect what they love and can afford both monetary and space wise. Nobody should feel like they have to "keep up with the jones"
Nah bro, the reason 4k is far superior now is the hdr, I rebought lord of the rings in 4k and the night time images are superior. Look if you cant afford it its fine but sont play this game of amsaying its the same.
All completely depends on your setups. Bigger TV's definitely benefit a lot more from higher resolution and refresh rate. Trying watching a 480 dvd on a 75"+ and it is pretty unacceptable lol
my dad has a 4k 75 inch tv. Blu rays still look very good. 4ks clearly look better, but the blue rays certainly dont look bad at all. Dvds are pretty rough though 👀
They should, 4k is roughly 2x the horizontal and vertical dimensions. And, if you set it up to allow a little bit of black on the ends, the pixels all line up properly with the ones that the format was intended for. If you do allow the TV to stretch it, there's a little bit of stretch that can mess up the alignment, but it's not by much. It's something like 7% stretch. For DVDs, those require a scaling factor of roughly 5.69x horizontal and 4.5x vertical to fill the screen, which means that the pixels aren't going line up nicely on the screen, it also means that each pixel on a DVD is going to be made up of roughly 26 pixels on a 4k display. Which is just going to look bad unless you're sitting far enough away for it to not be too noticeable. For those of us of a certain age, there often times weren't display drivers included with the OS that would provide for appropriate resolution on laptops, so the screen would look like this blurry mess if you didn't install the drivers, and if you chose anything other than the native resolution, you'd have to select one that went into the native resolution evenly because you sat so close tot he screen that you'd a mess.
TBH, there's little reason to ever go with more than that. Blurays have roughly half the size in both horizontal and vertical directions and so if you run them on a 4k display, they're still going to look pretty good, even if they are slightly stretched by default in the horizontal direction due to 1920 not going into 4096 evenly. Which is mostly only an issue with movie transfers.
I have nearly 800 Blurays and nearly 30 4K UHDs, I still buy BDs. I only consider the UHDs for newer movies and truly amazing upgrades, if it is really cheap I may upgrade my older BDs.
Depends on your TV. If you have a normal HD TV it’s fine. But if you have a good massive 4K TV, 1080p doesn’t cut it anymore, then you can see the difference with 4K Blu-ray and Blu-ray.
I have become more selective when buying movies. When I first got into 4K, I thought I needed to have everything that way. But have learned that much of the newer releases there isn't much difference between BD and 4K. Also, Disney animated BDs look good enough and cannot justify double-dipping to replace them with 4K.
@@slimdude2011 That's why I've become more selective when buying 4Ks. I ask myself "Do I need it?" In the beginning, I felt like I needed to upgrade everything. Last year when I watched some Pixar BDs like Toy Story and Wall-E, they looked phenomenal! Plus watched Lion King (1994) on 4K and compared it and saw only subtle differences. Not enough to go out and replace the rest of my Disney BDs. The only one I might consider is Snow White just due to the history of it being their first animated feature.
I still do DVD even if I am hunting for Blu-Ray now. 4K probably has some major differences from 1080p Blu-Rays but it does not mean my Blu-Rays are worthless or even my DVDs either You make a great point
In my own opinion it is not bad for me to buy 4k copies of the 80’s and 90’s movies because we know that video quality that time was not so good. Blu-rays nowadays are stunning so I buy blu-rays instead of 4k’s
The difference in the overall presentation is massive. HDR, Dolby Atmos, and then resolution is why rhe 4K UHD is vastly superior. I have a 65in OLED with Dolby Atmos surround sound so there is a difference for my set up
I recently decided I want to start collecting the movies and shows I love physically, and I've been debating if I want to get 4k for my fav ones. Your video has been super helpful. I'm mainly going to stick with Bluray, and sometimes DVD for older shows like Frasier, especially for special features. I love how chill you are and encouraging people to chase their bliss rather than keeping up with the Jones's. Keep doing your cool shit!!!
Back when DVD came out they, just about everyone of them had extra features including alternate endings and cut scenes. What happened to that, I really miss that side of it.
The people saying this, clearly don’t have good HDR TV’s, they buy the cheapest/largest 4K TV they can find on Black Friday, and think they’re getting a better viewing experience than their 15 year old plasma.
In the end it all comes down to enjoying the movie. I had an old SD resolution TV until a few years ago then jumped straight to 4k. The jump in quality was staggering. After getting a number of 4k movies I got some blurays since they weren't available on 4k. Whenever I watch any of my old DVDs I really notice the drop in quality, so I only get DVDs now if there's no other option. A good bluray can still be highly enjoyable, I've noticed that newer bluray releases are usually better than older ones, regardless of the age of the actual movie. I'm sure the same is true for 4k in general. I do hope 4k does stick around, because older movies can look incredible in 4k. But that doesn't mean we have to have all our movies in 4k or even bluray.
My dvd of Dune 1984 was poor quality so this year I replaced it with the Arrow 4k release, great quality. Yet watching 80’s and 90’s TV series on dvd (Millennium and Granada Sherlock Holmes series) on a 65 inch Samsung TV upscaled via pananasonic ub820 4k player; picture quality is excellent. What’s the priority the film or the fancy packaging of the latest new format release. Most collectors at least those on UA-cam seem to have lost focus; film first not packaging. Buy what you like not what you are told to buy. Great video!
I’ve upgraded some movies to 4k if the Blu-ray release was botched. A lot of my collection is still DVDs and Blu ray. I even still have some of my VHS movies.
4k looks nicer and there is usually more content on the disc, but more often than not I buy DVD or the Blu-ray version, as they are cheaper and easier to find. However I see more use with 4k video recording, as 4k video gives considerably more space to work with when editing.
4K is not interesting to me for movies. I was quite enthusiastic about BluRay back in 2007 and got an early PS3 (40GB) in 2008, because I could experience a significant progress in picture quality relative to the DVD, especially on a bigger screen than 32" for example. But 4K does not deliver a similar benefit compared to 1080p. Not even on my 75" screen. It is similar to the recent PC hardware overkill: Why should I buy an RTX 4090 for a lot of money? I'm fine with 1080p gaming and therefore my GTX 1080ti is fast enough even in 2024. Even Alan Wake 2 is perfectly playable after the latest patch.
“ it’s about enjoying the movie” 🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼 thank you , there are UA-camrs which all they talk about is collecting….collecting it’s never about the movies … just buying boxset after boxset …. It’s the a complete waste of money
Its all about the HDR and Dolby Atmos soundtrack. I didnt hear you mention them even once. Those are the reasons to buy into 4k. Not the increase in resolution.
Many people, myself included, only have a 1080p TV and a DVD player, maybe a Blu-ray player. Even the cheap Walmart 4K TVs are a luxury that most of us just can't justify.
@@RandallStevenson in which case then it doesnt make sense. But for those who have them, HDR is the reason. Some movies are absolutely transformed on a good HDR tv
I agree with the HDR thing but Warner bros, Universal, Paramount and even A24 movies that include a Dolby Atmos sound mix are all available on the standard blu-ray option of all recent releases
What else annoys me that the mentality of UA-camrs telling you that Slipcovers are a must. Like, some movies I don't even care to own the Slipcover versions. I usually will pick it up if I can find it but eh, unless its a movie/movie series that I love, then I will get the Slipcovers. Also, I don't have a 4K TV but I pick up 4K versions is if it comes with the Blu-Ray. If it does not, I get the Blu-Ray version instead. DVDs are also fine if I can't find it on Blu-Ray or its stuck on DVD. I recently had gotten Snow White on 4K from Best Buy for $25, then I found the Disney Movie Club Blu-Ray version at my Walmart for $10. I wasn't too sure to have it but I returned the 4K version to save money and used it on another movie. So it was a win-win for me. That Disney Boxset is sick, but we never got that in the US. P.S. K-Mart in the US only exists in two states with two stores: New York and Florida. I miss K-Mart, can we trade your K-Mart for our Target, please?
I get the appeal of 4K, but I am more than happy with my dvd and blu ray collection. Either way, it's just great that people still enjoy buying all forms of physical media.
@@nightshademilkshake1Same in the UK. Its often £25 4K / £15 Blu Ray for new release. you can usually always find 4Ks for around £15 after a while or look on the second hand market, but its still considerably more expensive than standard Blu Ray. Blu Ray is far more affordable here, and they still look fantastic.
I'm an American in Germany, where the difference is quite large. But I went over to Amazon to look at US price differences: Dune ($23.98 vs $9.96); Shutter Island ($17.99 vs $9.46); Ghostbusters Afterlife ($23.40 vs $15.00); Fargo ($29.59 vs $10.60). Those are just what showed up when I searched "4k" under "Movies." There were a handful of exceptions: "Oppenheimer," with a $2 price difference, or "John Wick: Chapter 4." But also exceptions in the other direction -- "Interstellar" and the the Harry Potter Collection were both nearly three times as expensive on 4k. In Germany, I would say that blu ray titles are comparably priced to US titles or actually cheaper, whereas 4k titles are somewhat more expensive -- that makes the price differences worse. But even in the US, I wouldn't call the difference marginal. It looks like on average, they are 50-90% more expensive.
@@joehavermann7729 For sure that's hardly a marginal difference, it's what pushed me to stop buying 4Ks at the rate I was buying them. Intresting to see how other countries tally upto the US prices nonetheless.
Excellent video! 1080 Blu ray looks more like what you see in a movie theater. Blu rays have a more natural, softer and realistic look...4K looks artificial and fake. It's good to see someone speaking up for Blu ray...you know what you're talking about and you got a new subscriber. Thanks from the USA!
Yes, DVD is definitely still very much a good viewing experience - on the right equipment, that is. Ironically, not on a standard DVD player but an upscaling Blu-ray player.
To the new collector's -- if you have a good TV, 4k is a VERY noticeable upgrade over bluray. It's objectively better. You don't have to do anything you don't want to do. You don't have to buy everything. But 4k picture quality is a lot better than bluray.
Yes, me too. DVD will look quite nicely on a good Blu-ray player that upscales it'll be perfectly fine enough for most people including myself. I don't mind that so-called lower quality to me it only adds something. I grew up with dirt and specs on film anyway it's part of it, not this clinically presented spotless stuff. It's crazy, how some people suddenly can't watch a format we all used before with no complaints whatsoever. It is, like Jamie so correctly says, all about enjoying the movie itself and the cozy experience of favourite movies more so than having some latest format that the business vultures want you to buy. People need to think for themselves and their own preferences, listen less to 'experts'.
I originally had zero interest in 4K Blu-ray when it first emerged but what finally won me over was the fact they come region free as standard whereas other release’s regional formats mostly standard Blu-ray are cherry picked by whoever is releasing them but that said I don’t buy every 4K Blu-ray as most of them are not created equal for example I’ve passed on so far all of James Cameron‘s 4K Blu-ray film releases for obvious reasons everyone knows. Living in the UK we haven’t been price gouged that much with the 4K Blu-ray format as badly as other countries yet except for the big box set releases sometimes
I agree, it's very personal, some 4k transfers have too much DNR, are too dark and sometimes differ very little from the blu-ray quality, some are really good transfers but you have to do your research before spending for nothing or worse, as far as DVD's or VHS are concerned, unless some one still have a CRT I think the quality will suffer too much.
Those UA-camrs and their commenters pushing 4K so hard while disparaging DVD are just, unwittingly or not, trying to force the evolution of the physical medium.
It's not tribalism. Blue rays are a blurry mess. Gamers especially have trained eyes and can tell immediately when something is 4k and 1080p. It's the difference between a ps4 and a ps5.
I do have couple 4K. But my collection is largely DVDs, and Blu ray. I also have some of my old VHS. I’m perfectly fine with that. I don’t need to go spend over $40-60, just for a4k. Honestly the price is just going to go up, due to the collectors. And they know people will spend money. 4K is the new iPhone, if you get what I’m saying.
💯. How many times can you sell me Star Wars and LOTR? I've bought all my favorite films on VHS, DVD, and now Blu-ray. I'm done. I've spent thousands over the years. No more. Blu-ray is my final format.
For me, when I decided I was going to start collecting more physical media, 4k was starting to be talked about. I was buying my favorites on Blu Ray but I didnt go all in quite yet. Then once 4k came out, I started buying all the movies I wanted on 4k even though I still had a regular blu ray player since the 4k set also came with a 1080p blu ray. When I finally got a 4k player, I already had a nice collection of 4k discs to watch on it.
@stonesfan285there will be a big difference if they didn't DNR the shit out of it. Old movies have a lot of granular details which makes them better on 4k than new soft looking movies.
I'm not a 4k collector. I don't find it necessary for me. I've seen 4k disc displayed on high end equipment and I've seen Blu Ray played on a upscaled high end player and same equipment...It was shocking how amazing the Blu Ray was . I for one isn't someone who just dump formats for the new one. I still have Laserdisc and DVD. Blu Ray's are a steal for what the maximum quality you can get from them with equipment that's properly set up. Yes, i know a lot of the time it's the source material too. But mainly Blu Ray properly set up can fool most thinking they are watching 4k disc. The price amount in comparison, plus the awful AI remastering of disc now is another reason not to jump to that format. Online Home theater magazines and other media review sites tell you what they say is better. Specs aren't always what it seems .
The magic letters is HDR, and prefferebly Dolby Vision. The way the dynamic range is set anc (in Dolby Vision) can change throughout the film is what makes 4K good.
Good you explained what you meant. In a way I agree. I started upgrading to 4K just now. Finally affordable decent upgrades. Still have loads of Blurays, DVDs and tapes. And am fine with them. Not everything is on Bluray or 4K anyway. You have a mighty collection. But not everyone has the room or money for that. I certainly don't. So just collecting what I actually love. Plus I hate relying on streaming solely.
I don't own any 4k equipment yet and frankly up until a couple of weeks ago I didn't even really consider 4k as an option for myself. I am just now starting to upgrade some of my collection to Bluray and I think for the foreseeable future it'll be the main format I collect. However since most 4k discs come with a bluray I wanna start getting some of my all time favorite films in 4k, as a special something for my collection Eventually I hope to own a good 4k TV and player, but right now I am in uni and I don't need to have this right here right now. There are decades of potential collecting in front of me and your channel is reminding me to be intentional with the things I am buying right now.
You're right im going to stick with Bluray for now... i just have a few 4k Blu-rays because i have a PS5 and it plays 4k Bluray .. bluray are still good... i did buy back to the future trilogy 4k because thats one of my favorite movies of all times
I will agree with what you said, movies should be enjoyed in whatever way you want to enjoy movies, now I just want to add, 4K adds more then just 4k resolution, it generally adds Atmos, or DTS:X so you are getting better sound, and picture… that is as long as you have the ability to enjoy the new 4k with all of its added bonuses, 4k tv, an Atmos/dts:X, auro enabled receiver… with some good sub woofers… it can make a difference,
I'm personally go for the highest quality possible within reason. I use a CRT TV for DVDs I frankly find the video quality to be much better especially via RGB SCART much better even more so than even upscaled, I personally found widescreen DVDs on my LED TV looking strange, but on my widescreen CRT TV. I can't stand streaming even though I have paid for a Crunchyroll Mega Fan subscription, DVDs like you said are dirt cheap even new condition. It's also worth pointing out these video comparisons on here will look compressed opposed to in real life. I appreciate you bringing up the streaming services but one thing is worth pointing out is the video quality will not be as good as the physical copy due to your Internet connection even via Ethernet, people have said 4K streaming looks worse than 1080p Blu-Ray. I have bought DVDs, Blu-Rays and 4K Ultra HD Blu-Rays which I have not watched at all before and I on average did enjoy them.
I have a Sony region free Bluray player that plays DVD's and Bluray disc, plugged into a 4K TV. Yet 4K players are something Im not interested in at the moment. Yes I have the Bluray+4K movie releases so if I ever get a 4k player I have some disc to use them on. But hell Bluray still looks damn great!! I even own DVD movies that are dual layer format and they still look good.
Only time i really buy 4k is when the price difference isn't a deal breaker. I've only recently gotten a TV that can support 4k. I usually prefer a blue ray/dvd combo because I like the option to have blu ray for home viewing, but I can take the dvd and use it in portable dvd players or even in my car/truck.
I don’t have a 4k tv yet so you already know where I stand , now I buy 4k disc now as future reference but I’m not pressed for 4k at all , Blu ray is fine for me, hell some films only have dvd release and im ok with that.
I tried to catch up with Blu-Rays, but failed when I realized how bad it works on PC for no reason. I don't own a TV and never will. Still watching DvDs.
The reason is the picture studios don't want you to have access to physical media on PCs, so you have to stream it. DVDs were already common place and it was too late to prohibit that but blurays for a long time didn't natively play on windows, so you needed 3rd party software. I believe since about 2020 on a modern computer you should be able to play bluray but now it's the 4k UHD bluray that are blocked for PC by the movie studios. It is still possible with workarounds but if you don't a have a 4k monitor with HDR, I would recommend to not go any higher than bluray anyways.
People automatically think a movie on 4K s better which is not always the case I haven't bought a 4K in a long time as the Blu ray version is good enough for me but if the film is a favourite of mine of which there is a big uptake in video and audio quality then I;ll upgrade example I have ordered a copy of the movie Fargo on 4K from Amazon US via Amazon AU here in Australia
Not all 4k films are the same quality. Some Dvd films actually look better than alot of dodgy bluray and 4k releases... lazy transfers.... Dvd format was a creative experience... not any more
Same thing happened when Blu-ray first came out. I just watched one of those early silver case 1080/Beyond HD releases, and the visuals and sound were awful.
The original snap front case DVD's sold in the very late 90s to early 00s were the best. There was no forced advertising or promotion and it went STRAIGHT to the DVD menu on boot up. They not only extended endless creative freedom to the artists, they ENCOURAGED it! Of course, that didn't last long. IMO, these original DVD's are the ones to collect. 4k is meaningless to me.
Bravo! Can't agree more! I have setups for each format in my home and enjoy them all. If I come across a 4K copy on the cheap then great. But I don't upgrade unless it's within my budget. But I been loving the hunt for movies on DVD, Blu Ray and VHS.
I'll say it depends what equipment you have, I am still sticking to Bluray and DVD I can get them cheap and my Projector is not 4K neither do I see myself paying 2 grand for a 4K projector and 3-400 for a player on top, especially not with physical media dying as we speak. now dont get me wrong I can afford it I just dont want to.
In the states it’s $24.99-27 for a blu ray and 4k is $27.99-29 normally for a new movie. I get the 4k for the extra few bucks so I can get both 4k and blu ray physical discs. So I have two great copies of the same movie. Paying 25 bucks just for a blu ray and dvd is still nice but the margin isn’t drastic. I see it’s crazy in other regions. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with blu ray. It’s amazing and has a natural quality with a good grain to it. I won’t knock someone who does dvd only. They are still supporting a better medium than streaming. Ownership of any format is important.
My interpretation of 4K Blu-rays is that it is for people that want to watch their FAVORITE MOVIE at the highest quality as possible. You shouldn’t buy it if the movie is what you like but not love to death. Example: My favorite movies are The Incredibles, The First SpongeBob Movie, and All 8 Harry Potter films. Those have 4K Blu-ray releases and I consider to get those because seeing my favorites in 4K is a novelty. I don’t intend to buy other 4Ks because they are not my favorites and they are just there in DVDS or Blu-rays for sake of having it on physical media. UA-camrs that say to get the 4Ks is mostly just endorsing the idea to viewers that these are special and not like the others to convince them that they should get it. Overall, 4K Blu-rays are nothing special compared to standard Blu-rays because as long as you have the movies in a HD format, you’re good.
Blurays makes up most of my collection In most cases Im content with the bluray but I have 100 4ks now and most of them do look slightly better than a regular bluray some are amazing then I have some movies on 4k that arent really necessary like the movie Snatch is a great 4k but the movie itself doesnt have great visuals its totally fine on bluray and others I cant even tell the difference. I have lots of dvds which are totally fine for TV shows and Comedy multipacks.
Wasn’t the biggest fan of Angel, but I also haven’t seen the show in its entirety so I should probably go back and watch the whole thing at some point 😅
I don't NEED any movies but I do want movies. The format that I pick all depends on how much I like the movie and the price point. I am very glad that I got Twister in 4k the sound is amazing.
I will buy the 4k UHD if it's available but there are so many movies that aren't so I will buy the Blu-ray. I can still easily go back to 1080p blu ray, it still looks great! We've hit a peak now in quality, you really can't get current or older films to look any better than they do! Going back to DVD for me is a struggle but the difference between 4k and blu ray is negligible unless you're spending the whole movie scanning around the screen.... It seems that only the absolute classics and some boutique labels are getting the 4k treatment anyway. Everything else is only on Blu-ray.
Thanks Bro for those words 👍 Buy what you love no matter what those Hardcore Collectors try to tell you because in my Opinion 4K is not the only thing of the World to Collect a normal DVD or BLURAY are just as valuable like other things 📀💿 🤗 And let's don't forget not every Movie Collector has his own Movie Theater Setup at Home and this comes from a guy who grew up with VHS Tapes 📼
You're missing out on 4k Dolby Atmos. I have a 7.4.4 setup. ===== Some great recent movies with sound effects I've discovered that most people do not mention: - Superman in 4k 5 disc collection - Amazing Spiderman 1 and 2 - Legend of Hercules - Legend of Tarzan - Life - Kong skull island - Sonic the Hedgehog 1 and 2 - Ghost Rider / Ghost Rider Spirit of Vengeance - xXx: Return Of Xander Cage - Gladiator/Braveheart 2-Movie Collection (4K Ultra HD + Digital) - Bumblebee,Transformers - The Revenant Top Blu-Ray: - Grand Prix (starring James Garner) - House of Flying Daggers - Need for Speed - Wyatt Earp (1994) - John Carter ==== Best music streamer = Apple Music lossless
@@DavidMander-rs4uk My other room (family room 2ndary system) has a 5.1.4 system so that should be easy enough to setup. Originally, the 2 rooms each had 2 subwoofers (family room 5.2.4, guest bedroom 7.2.4). Family members didn't want so much bass in the family room so I repurposed an old computer subwoofer (Logitech, tiny 4 inches!) for the family room. This freed up the 2 subwoofers in the family room to move to the guest bedroom to turn 7.2.4 to 7.4.4). Both rooms were setup with used speakers and subwoofers, openbox receivers, AppleTV.
I am a physical media collector, but I won't bother with 4K, my dad had everything 4K and I tried watching it and all it did was make me dizzy, way too fluid movement, looked like pan and scan to me which did the same thing. but it is true, just collect what you like.
Regarding the "fluid" movement, I suspect that is less to do with 4K the format and more to do with his actual TV settings. I was gifted a new 4K TV recently (nothing top of the line) and the default settings in "film mode" had the exact effect you are describing. I was watching a Blu Ray (not 4K, 99% of my collections is Blu Ray) and the way people moved on screen was just uncanny and definitely had a sickening quality! I went in to my settings and turned all the advanced stuff to OFF and it fixed it completely. After a bit of reading up online I think it was the "motion processing" setting being ON that caused the overly fluid quality. Further reading revealed that most people in the physical media realm advise that you turn most of these advanced TV settings off. I was even reading the tech-specs at the back of a Blu Ray essay booklet recently and it advised the same thing. Might be worth having a fiddle with the settings on your old mans TV.
I buy 4k if 2nd hand, the price is cheap or its like a movie I tend to watch pretty often. I also like 4k for sci-fi heavy movies, like Alita, or Ready Player One. For the most part I go with Blu Ray.
Nope 4k is evil And if it dares approach my home It'll be one ticket down to the streets. However, if it's full HD blu Ray discs and full hd samsung tv it gets to stay in my home. No 4K technology near my home, especially on monitors as well. And I. Will kicked it out to the streets With 1440P. No high resolution in my house. Only 1080p allowed.
Blu Ray still looks great, 4k is the cherry on top.
nah if u want watch good movies go back to 1080p tv with 1080p blu-ray
@@Sammy-34079 "good movies" are available on all formats
Both are good. It’s all depends on the good transfer. Sometimes, a good transferred regular bluray can have better picture quality than 4k uhd.
couldn’t have said it better brother
Best way to put it
Too much revisionism going on with 4K releases. Just look for how many have a new cold teal colour timing now.
yeah they look dim and the colors are off. It's kinda strikingly bad
The difference isn't enough for me to justify buying a 4k TV, player and discs. I got glasses a couple yrs ago and that made more a difference than picture resolution
Aside from a good player, most people need a bigger TV, at least 65", and need to sit closer. Most people over a certain age were brought up taught that you should sit a certain distance from the tube because supposedly it was bad for the eyes to sit close, but ideally you probably don't want to sit any further than about 6 feet from a 65" to 75" screen to get the most from the increased resolution. And of course some 4K releases are better than others. ;)
When you have 2020 vision it's easier to see the difference
because you don't care. But the difference is some transfers is massive and the experience great
I appreciate these videos man. I’m glad somebody is emphasizing how personal a collection is. A lot of collectors care about other people’s opinions. They like things based on what others tell them to like.
I have a friend who is a snob for UHD 4K, and will tolerate Blu Ray. He has zero love for anything less. I, however, am easily satisfied. If the picture is clear and the sound is good, I am fine. I still have a 1080p TV, and honestly my dvds are just fine for me. I grew up with VHS, so I know what crap really looks like. 😆 I love collecting dvds and Blu Rays because they allow me to build an amazing collection for very little money. I walked out of my local pawn shop the other day with 11 dvds for $9 total. I own only one 4K UHD, Transformers the movie from 1986, only because that film is special to me, and I wanted the steelbook it came in. Collect what you love!
11 DVDs for $9 is an awesome deal
Came here to say the exact same thing, but you beat me to it.
My childhood was in the 80's and early 90's I stomached movies/TV recorded show's that needed tracking adjustments.... I watched stuff that was skewed at the top of the screen. DVD is fine for me, although I do have a few Blu Ray movies.
The reason I have Blu-ray's is I've effectively future proofed my favorite movies/shows it's also that I got them dirt cheap second hand.
I'm from the UK... Second hand DVD's can be found at 10 for a £1 and Blu Ray's can be found at 50p-£2 for 1 second hand.
Side note: Don't get me started on CD's.
Then there is so much your friend has volunteered to miss out on, most of the TV shows before the 2010s are only on DVD, a good bit of movies and documentaries and comedy shows never made it past DVD, even the ones that made it to Blu-ray, a great many never made it to 4K.
I have a 4K snob friend too. He is always getting on my butt about getting a 4K TV, like dude, just cause you're in love with 4K doesn't mean I have to be, lol. I am fine with Blu-Rays and DVDs as well.
I’m the opposite I love Blu-ray and dvd lol
Blu Ray is perfectly fine for me.
DVD is fine for me. HD will never catch on.
@@Ocelot35 HD caught on around 2010. You're a little late to the party.
On the bleeding edge was 2005-2006. By 2008 HD was quite common. In 2010-2012, the prices for LCD TVs came down a lot and there was major adoption to the HD format.
4k TVs have been popular since about 2016. Prices dropped in 2018 for 4k but rised in 2021 due to the pandemic chip shortages, and prices are going down again the past couple of years.
High end 4k TVs are still expensive but not being on the bluray format is kind of silly at this point.
I dont own many 4k blu rays. Im happy with blu ray. I will buy blu ray and even dvd 99% of the time. I dont really like blind buying 4ks because of the price. If I really emjoy the film on blu ray I may double dip on 4k.
Blu ray is a great format still. Became cheaper thanks to 4k. I love 4k and all. If i see a super cheap blu ray set that costs as much as on 4k. I am grabbing the blu ray collection. Blu ray will still be the backbone to many collections.
Excellent vid, you said it so well: it literally does not matter what other people feel about your format of choice, they are not going to be at your house watching it with you. So to hell with their opinion!
I do buy old classic movies on dvd. Im pretty happy with the quality overall. I dont need them on 4k.
It's good to adjust you're perception of these formats. We should be happy with any formats there is available to us. 4k can be amazing, but also a well done bluray transfer can be satisfying. Not all movies needs a 4k treatment, but all of them deserve physical media treatment.
The only expectation for a movie lover and collector that I have is buy what you love (and will rewatch eventually) and buy what you can comfortably afford. Don't worry about how much others have.
Standard Blu Rays are good quality, but don't include HDR. However, all physical is good.
HDR is Sucks!!!
Don't NEED it, but god damn is it fun! Really the resolution isn't where it always shines imo, Dolby Vision/HDR is really where it makes up for it on a lot of newer releases. Older films on film look AMAZING of 4K, truly unreal. It's not NEEDED, but it is by far the best way to watch your favorite films
I love my 42" plasma TV. Movies, especially old movies, which is mostly what I watch look best on plasma. I don't watch TV shows, I'm not into the CGI spectacles, I don't watch sports.
They don't make plasmas anymore. I bought mine in 2007 for $1200. It still works perfectly. I'm not going to throw it in the trash to buy a new TV that will probably have to be replaced every couple years. I'm gonna keep this plasma as long as possible. Blu-ray looks great on it.
You don’t need 4K gaming either. Hence why the frame rates are crappy on current gen consoles.
honestly bro. I wish everything was smoother.
The 30fps even 60fps just hurts my eyes sometimes. Even makes me tired and puts me to sleep. lol
@@victoralvarez9459 30FPS hurts my eyes to, not so much when I was younger but it hurts my eyes now.
@@KillingSpree193 current consoles put out 4K @120fps with HDR, what are you talking about?
@@GamezGuru1 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 nice joke.
I guess you don't remember how bad frame rates were on the previous gen consoles.
If you want the highest frame rates, you can use a PC. It just costs a lot more than a console.
4k gaming may not be necessary but that doesn't mean it isn't better.
I personally think that Blu-ray was a big upgrade from DVD, but going to 4k is quite often not much of a leap beyond that. With that said, there are some 4K discs with HDR that are truly jaw dropping, however there have been quite a few 4k releases of films that I have on Blu-ray that are really underwhelming and not worth the money. I really think it depends on the standard of transfer for each release and I’ve seen some blu rays that look better than some 4K discs. You are dead right that you should just collect what the hell you want to collect. That should be the only gold standard.
Blue ray is a blurry mess. Some people don't see a difference because they are watching upscaled 4k or fake 4k.
@@AngelValdez-mr3fqor 4K without HDR.
@AngelValdez-mr3fq Well, we're sorry we're not uptight arseholes with eagle eye genes who define our experiences by how toxic we can be to other enthusiasts.
@h8GW You don't need an eagle eye ln 65 inch tv. I'm not being toxic but your comment might mislead someone into thinking it's not worth the upgrade when it is night and day in details. Would you buy a TV only capable of 1080p over a 4k tv? No you would not. So why do that with physical media?
@AngelValdez-mr3fq that's what he prefers which is fine
In Canada most 4K's I like are $50! You gotta be independently wealthy to collect! Kino, Shout, Vinegar ect are expensive! Conversion & shipping are crazy.
I see them here in the USA for $50.00 now...all the more reason to buy 1080 Blu ray!
I was debating on getting Aliens 4K until a UA-camr put it side-by-side with the previous Blu-ray. Turns out the newest release was just an AI upscale with DNR on the older Blu-ray master, which had already been sourced from a 4k scan.
that isn't a fair representation of the work done on the 4k version. The HDR color grade alone was more effort then you are giving them credit for, and the main reason to consider it over the bluray if you have a quality TV. Resolution isn't everything.
@@Antimonkat That’s fair.
My issue isn’t with HDR color-grading more-so than the elimination of natural grain that contributed to the atmospheric texture of the movie - I’m one of those suckers for that filmic look.
Blu-ray looks better
I'm so glad you brought this topic up. It seems these days, everyone is losing their mind to own 4K. I just got back into physical media again, and I
got myself a Sony Blu-ray player, and I have a 75"tv. I'm more than happy with the performance and quality of Blu-ray. Just because a new kid's on the block🤔We are so quick to forget what we have.🇨🇦🇯🇲❤️👊🏽
I feel the same way. Blurays still look amazing.
Amazing subject and you are so right. People should collect what they love and can afford both monetary and space wise. Nobody should feel like they have to "keep up with the jones"
4k ok but love DVDs and Blu-rays
Preach! These are a lot of the reasons why I haven’t made the jump to 4K UHD. Blu ray is more than enough for me, coming from the world of VHS.
It’s videos like this that make you one of my favorite UA-camrs.
Nah bro, the reason 4k is far superior now is the hdr, I rebought lord of the rings in 4k and the night time images are superior. Look if you cant afford it its fine but sont play this game of amsaying its the same.
@@jasonthomas9319 He didn't say they were "the same", he said BD was good enough for him.
@@19jez89 Thank you @19jez89.
All completely depends on your setups. Bigger TV's definitely benefit a lot more from higher resolution and refresh rate. Trying watching a 480 dvd on a 75"+ and it is pretty unacceptable lol
my dad has a 4k 75 inch tv. Blu rays still look very good. 4ks clearly look better, but the blue rays certainly dont look bad at all. Dvds are pretty rough though 👀
They should, 4k is roughly 2x the horizontal and vertical dimensions. And, if you set it up to allow a little bit of black on the ends, the pixels all line up properly with the ones that the format was intended for. If you do allow the TV to stretch it, there's a little bit of stretch that can mess up the alignment, but it's not by much. It's something like 7% stretch.
For DVDs, those require a scaling factor of roughly 5.69x horizontal and 4.5x vertical to fill the screen, which means that the pixels aren't going line up nicely on the screen, it also means that each pixel on a DVD is going to be made up of roughly 26 pixels on a 4k display. Which is just going to look bad unless you're sitting far enough away for it to not be too noticeable. For those of us of a certain age, there often times weren't display drivers included with the OS that would provide for appropriate resolution on laptops, so the screen would look like this blurry mess if you didn't install the drivers, and if you chose anything other than the native resolution, you'd have to select one that went into the native resolution evenly because you sat so close tot he screen that you'd a mess.
@SmallSpoonBrigade even messing with all that with the fancy blu ray player apps on my PC, dvds still don't look very good.
Blu-Ray is the best balance in this day and age.
Couldn’t agree more 👍🏼
I'm seeing some 4K blu rays selling for $49.00 US Dollars...I'll put the brakes on that...I'm staying with 1080 blu ray.
TBH, there's little reason to ever go with more than that. Blurays have roughly half the size in both horizontal and vertical directions and so if you run them on a 4k display, they're still going to look pretty good, even if they are slightly stretched by default in the horizontal direction due to 1920 not going into 4096 evenly. Which is mostly only an issue with movie transfers.
I have nearly 800 Blurays and nearly 30 4K UHDs, I still buy BDs. I only consider the UHDs for newer movies and truly amazing upgrades, if it is really cheap I may upgrade my older BDs.
I personally prefer 4K because I like the HDR and the additional sharpness.
Depends on your TV. If you have a normal HD TV it’s fine. But if you have a good massive 4K TV, 1080p doesn’t cut it anymore, then you can see the difference with 4K Blu-ray and Blu-ray.
I have become more selective when buying movies. When I first got into 4K, I thought I needed to have everything that way. But have learned that much of the newer releases there isn't much difference between BD and 4K. Also, Disney animated BDs look good enough and cannot justify double-dipping to replace them with 4K.
There is a difference, but you just can't see it.
@@slimdude2011 That's why I've become more selective when buying 4Ks. I ask myself "Do I need it?" In the beginning, I felt like I needed to upgrade everything. Last year when I watched some Pixar BDs like Toy Story and Wall-E, they looked phenomenal! Plus watched Lion King (1994) on 4K and compared it and saw only subtle differences. Not enough to go out and replace the rest of my Disney BDs. The only one I might consider is Snow White just due to the history of it being their first animated feature.
I still do DVD even if I am hunting for Blu-Ray now. 4K probably has some major differences from 1080p Blu-Rays but it does not mean my Blu-Rays are worthless or even my DVDs either
You make a great point
In my own opinion it is not bad for me to buy 4k copies of the 80’s and 90’s movies because we know that video quality that time was not so good. Blu-rays nowadays are stunning so I buy blu-rays instead of 4k’s
The difference in the overall presentation is massive. HDR, Dolby Atmos, and then resolution is why rhe 4K UHD is vastly superior. I have a 65in OLED with Dolby Atmos surround sound so there is a difference for my set up
I stick to regular Blu-ray. It’s perfect to me.
I recently decided I want to start collecting the movies and shows I love physically, and I've been debating if I want to get 4k for my fav ones.
Your video has been super helpful. I'm mainly going to stick with Bluray, and sometimes DVD for older shows like Frasier, especially for special features.
I love how chill you are and encouraging people to chase their bliss rather than keeping up with the Jones's.
Keep doing your cool shit!!!
Everytime I see your collection I feel like mine is way too small🤣
Back when DVD came out they, just about everyone of them had extra features including alternate endings and cut scenes. What happened to that, I really miss that side of it.
The people saying this, clearly don’t have good HDR TV’s, they buy the cheapest/largest 4K TV they can find on Black Friday, and think they’re getting a better viewing experience than their 15 year old plasma.
In the end it all comes down to enjoying the movie.
I had an old SD resolution TV until a few years ago then jumped straight to 4k. The jump in quality was staggering.
After getting a number of 4k movies I got some blurays since they weren't available on 4k.
Whenever I watch any of my old DVDs I really notice the drop in quality, so I only get DVDs now if there's no other option.
A good bluray can still be highly enjoyable, I've noticed that newer bluray releases are usually better than older ones, regardless of the age of the actual movie.
I'm sure the same is true for 4k in general.
I do hope 4k does stick around, because older movies can look incredible in 4k.
But that doesn't mean we have to have all our movies in 4k or even bluray.
My dvd of Dune 1984 was poor quality so this year I replaced it with the Arrow 4k release, great quality. Yet watching 80’s and 90’s TV series on dvd (Millennium and Granada Sherlock Holmes series) on a 65 inch Samsung TV upscaled via pananasonic ub820 4k player; picture quality is excellent. What’s the priority the film or the fancy packaging of the latest new format release. Most collectors at least those on UA-cam seem to have lost focus; film first not packaging. Buy what you like not what you are told to buy. Great video!
Amen, it’s the experience of watching films, not what format it’s on
I’ve upgraded some movies to 4k if the Blu-ray release was botched. A lot of my collection is still DVDs and Blu ray. I even still have some of my VHS movies.
4k looks nicer and there is usually more content on the disc, but more often than not I buy DVD or the Blu-ray version, as they are cheaper and easier to find.
However I see more use with 4k video recording, as 4k video gives considerably more space to work with when editing.
4K is not interesting to me for movies. I was quite enthusiastic about BluRay back in 2007 and got an early PS3 (40GB) in 2008, because I could experience a significant progress in picture quality relative to the DVD, especially on a bigger screen than 32" for example. But 4K does not deliver a similar benefit compared to 1080p. Not even on my 75" screen.
It is similar to the recent PC hardware overkill: Why should I buy an RTX 4090 for a lot of money? I'm fine with 1080p gaming and therefore my GTX 1080ti is fast enough even in 2024. Even Alan Wake 2 is perfectly playable after the latest patch.
“ it’s about enjoying the movie” 🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼 thank you , there are UA-camrs which all they talk about is collecting….collecting it’s never about the movies … just buying boxset after boxset …. It’s the a complete waste of money
I think dvds look bad but blu rays look really good even compared to 4k especially if you have a good player and high end tv
Its all about the HDR and Dolby Atmos soundtrack. I didnt hear you mention them even once.
Those are the reasons to buy into 4k. Not the increase in resolution.
Many people, myself included, only have a 1080p TV and a DVD player, maybe a Blu-ray player. Even the cheap Walmart 4K TVs are a luxury that most of us just can't justify.
@@RandallStevenson in which case then it doesnt make sense.
But for those who have them, HDR is the reason. Some movies are absolutely transformed on a good HDR tv
Totally agree
if u want watch good movies go back to 1080p tv with 1080p blu-ray
I agree with the HDR thing but Warner bros, Universal, Paramount and even A24 movies that include a Dolby Atmos sound mix are all available on the standard blu-ray option of all recent releases
What else annoys me that the mentality of UA-camrs telling you that Slipcovers are a must. Like, some movies I don't even care to own the Slipcover versions. I usually will pick it up if I can find it but eh, unless its a movie/movie series that I love, then I will get the Slipcovers. Also, I don't have a 4K TV but I pick up 4K versions is if it comes with the Blu-Ray. If it does not, I get the Blu-Ray version instead. DVDs are also fine if I can't find it on Blu-Ray or its stuck on DVD.
I recently had gotten Snow White on 4K from Best Buy for $25, then I found the Disney Movie Club Blu-Ray version at my Walmart for $10. I wasn't too sure to have it but I returned the 4K version to save money and used it on another movie. So it was a win-win for me. That Disney Boxset is sick, but we never got that in the US.
P.S. K-Mart in the US only exists in two states with two stores: New York and Florida. I miss K-Mart, can we trade your K-Mart for our Target, please?
I get the appeal of 4K, but I am more than happy with my dvd and blu ray collection. Either way, it's just great that people still enjoy buying all forms of physical media.
In the US, the marginal price difference between 4k format and Blu-ray is small.
in Canada it's huge, often twice the price or more
That’s a big lie
@@nightshademilkshake1Same in the UK.
Its often £25 4K / £15 Blu Ray for new release.
you can usually always find 4Ks for around £15 after a while or look on the second hand market, but its still considerably more expensive than standard Blu Ray.
Blu Ray is far more affordable here, and they still look fantastic.
I'm an American in Germany, where the difference is quite large. But I went over to Amazon to look at US price differences: Dune ($23.98 vs $9.96); Shutter Island ($17.99 vs $9.46); Ghostbusters Afterlife ($23.40 vs $15.00); Fargo ($29.59 vs $10.60).
Those are just what showed up when I searched "4k" under "Movies." There were a handful of exceptions: "Oppenheimer," with a $2 price difference, or "John Wick: Chapter 4." But also exceptions in the other direction -- "Interstellar" and the the Harry Potter Collection were both nearly three times as expensive on 4k.
In Germany, I would say that blu ray titles are comparably priced to US titles or actually cheaper, whereas 4k titles are somewhat more expensive -- that makes the price differences worse. But even in the US, I wouldn't call the difference marginal. It looks like on average, they are 50-90% more expensive.
@@joehavermann7729 For sure that's hardly a marginal difference, it's what pushed me to stop buying 4Ks at the rate I was buying them.
Intresting to see how other countries tally upto the US prices nonetheless.
Excellent video! 1080 Blu ray looks more like what you see in a movie theater. Blu rays have a more natural, softer and realistic look...4K looks artificial and fake. It's good to see someone speaking up for Blu ray...you know what you're talking about and you got a new subscriber. Thanks from the USA!
I have been sticking to standard dvd and havent had any issues.
Yes, DVD is definitely still very much a good viewing experience - on the right equipment, that is. Ironically, not on a standard DVD player but an upscaling Blu-ray player.
Some people are just not videophiles. They'll still watch VHS movies on a VCR in pan scan.
@@LarryFleetwood8675 It's ok to have low standards...
@@GamezGuru1 Yes, 4K...
@@LarryFleetwood8675 so 4k is low standard, but DVD is very much a good viewing experience. Ok, no point in talking to this one...
To the new collector's -- if you have a good TV, 4k is a VERY noticeable upgrade over bluray. It's objectively better. You don't have to do anything you don't want to do. You don't have to buy everything. But 4k picture quality is a lot better than bluray.
I'm learning a lot by watching your videos. Awesome!
Bought a few 4K and they are fine but I prefer blu-ray for the price / quality. Happy with a DVD and even a VHS tape
Yes, me too. DVD will look quite nicely on a good Blu-ray player that upscales it'll be perfectly fine enough for most people including myself. I don't mind that so-called lower quality to me it only adds something. I grew up with dirt and specs on film anyway it's part of it, not this clinically presented spotless stuff. It's crazy, how some people suddenly can't watch a format we all used before with no complaints whatsoever. It is, like Jamie so correctly says, all about enjoying the movie itself and the cozy experience of favourite movies more so than having some latest format that the business vultures want you to buy. People need to think for themselves and their own preferences, listen less to 'experts'.
I originally had zero interest in 4K Blu-ray when it first emerged but what finally won me over was the fact they come region free as standard whereas other release’s regional formats mostly standard Blu-ray are cherry picked by whoever is releasing them but that said I don’t buy every 4K Blu-ray as most of them are not created equal for example I’ve passed on so far all of James Cameron‘s 4K Blu-ray film releases for obvious reasons everyone knows. Living in the UK we haven’t been price gouged that much with the 4K Blu-ray format as badly as other countries yet except for the big box set releases sometimes
I agree, it's very personal, some 4k transfers have too much DNR, are too dark and sometimes differ very little from the blu-ray quality, some are really good transfers but you have to do your research before spending for nothing or worse, as far as DVD's or VHS are concerned, unless some one still have a CRT I think the quality will suffer too much.
Those UA-camrs and their commenters pushing 4K so hard while disparaging DVD are just, unwittingly or not, trying to force the evolution of the physical medium.
Yeah and that’s what I don’t understand, that tribalism, I collect all formats and can appreciate all collections, I love physical media as a whole
Agreed, I'm not jumping on the 4K bandwagon I'm content with the other formats.
Because DVD looks like garbage upscaled on 4k TV.
It's not tribalism. Blue rays are a blurry mess. Gamers especially have trained eyes and can tell immediately when something is 4k and 1080p. It's the difference between a ps4 and a ps5.
@@tastymustard6234 yup, why would you ever watch a DVD, when 90% of the time you can find it on streaming in 1080p?
I think 1080P wil be the "the standard" - it's good, and only fails with a mega large telly!
Lots of logical points made in the video. Not all 4k do I prefer. Some movies I like Blu-ray video quality better. Great vid and thanks 😊
I do have couple 4K. But my collection is largely DVDs, and Blu ray. I also have some of my old VHS. I’m perfectly fine with that. I don’t need to go spend over $40-60, just for a4k. Honestly the price is just going to go up, due to the collectors. And they know people will spend money. 4K is the new iPhone, if you get what I’m saying.
💯. How many times can you sell me Star Wars and LOTR? I've bought all my favorite films on VHS, DVD, and now Blu-ray. I'm done. I've spent thousands over the years. No more. Blu-ray is my final format.
For me, when I decided I was going to start collecting more physical media, 4k was starting to be talked about. I was buying my favorites on Blu Ray but I didnt go all in quite yet. Then once 4k came out, I started buying all the movies I wanted on 4k even though I still had a regular blu ray player since the 4k set also came with a 1080p blu ray. When I finally got a 4k player, I already had a nice collection of 4k discs to watch on it.
Any modern film that is shot digitally looks very good on a blu ray. 4K shines best when an older movie shot on film has gotten a 4K transfer.
@stonesfan285there will be a big difference if they didn't DNR the shit out of it. Old movies have a lot of granular details which makes them better on 4k than new soft looking movies.
I'm not a 4k collector. I don't find it necessary for me. I've seen 4k disc displayed on high end equipment and I've seen Blu Ray played on a upscaled high end player and same equipment...It was shocking how amazing the Blu Ray was . I for one isn't someone who just dump formats for the new one. I still have Laserdisc and DVD. Blu Ray's are a steal for what the maximum quality you can get from them with equipment that's properly set up. Yes, i know a lot of the time it's the source material too. But mainly Blu Ray properly set up can fool most thinking they are watching 4k disc. The price amount in comparison, plus the awful AI remastering of disc now is another reason not to jump to that format. Online Home theater magazines and other media review sites tell you what they say is better. Specs aren't always what it seems .
The magic letters is HDR, and prefferebly Dolby Vision. The way the dynamic range is set anc (in Dolby Vision) can change throughout the film is what makes 4K good.
Im quite an audiophile so I tend to get the 4K copies especially when they're upgraded to Dolby Atmos. You get great video and excellent audio.
Good you explained what you meant. In a way I agree. I started upgrading to 4K just now. Finally affordable decent upgrades. Still have loads of Blurays, DVDs and tapes. And am fine with them. Not everything is on Bluray or 4K anyway. You have a mighty collection. But not everyone has the room or money for that. I certainly don't. So just collecting what I actually love. Plus I hate relying on streaming solely.
I like blu ray because it's a good ratio price/quality. It's not expensive, like 4k, and the image is still very good. Enven on my 200-inch projector.
Great video with valid points, I’m starting to build a 4K collection and it’s damn expensive.
I don't own any 4k equipment yet and frankly up until a couple of weeks ago I didn't even really consider 4k as an option for myself. I am just now starting to upgrade some of my collection to Bluray and I think for the foreseeable future it'll be the main format I collect. However since most 4k discs come with a bluray I wanna start getting some of my all time favorite films in 4k, as a special something for my collection
Eventually I hope to own a good 4k TV and player, but right now I am in uni and I don't need to have this right here right now. There are decades of potential collecting in front of me and your channel is reminding me to be intentional with the things I am buying right now.
You're right im going to stick with Bluray for now... i just have a few 4k Blu-rays because i have a PS5 and it plays 4k Bluray .. bluray are still good... i did buy back to the future trilogy 4k because thats one of my favorite movies of all times
I will agree with what you said, movies should be enjoyed in whatever way you want to enjoy movies, now I just want to add, 4K adds more then just 4k resolution, it generally adds Atmos, or DTS:X so you are getting better sound, and picture… that is as long as you have the ability to enjoy the new 4k with all of its added bonuses, 4k tv, an Atmos/dts:X, auro enabled receiver… with some good sub woofers… it can make a difference,
I'm personally go for the highest quality possible within reason. I use a CRT TV for DVDs I frankly find the video quality to be much better especially via RGB SCART much better even more so than even upscaled, I personally found widescreen DVDs on my LED TV looking strange, but on my widescreen CRT TV. I can't stand streaming even though I have paid for a Crunchyroll Mega Fan subscription, DVDs like you said are dirt cheap even new condition. It's also worth pointing out these video comparisons on here will look compressed opposed to in real life. I appreciate you bringing up the streaming services but one thing is worth pointing out is the video quality will not be as good as the physical copy due to your Internet connection even via Ethernet, people have said 4K streaming looks worse than 1080p Blu-Ray. I have bought DVDs, Blu-Rays and 4K Ultra HD Blu-Rays which I have not watched at all before and I on average did enjoy them.
Look, if I had as many Blu-Rays as you do, I'd probably say that 4K doesn't matter as well! Who wants to upgrade several thousand titles?
People with thousands of titles just buy any old shit to pad the numbers.
I have a Sony region free Bluray player that plays DVD's and Bluray disc, plugged into a 4K TV. Yet 4K players are something Im not interested in at the moment. Yes I have the Bluray+4K movie releases so if I ever get a 4k player I have some disc to use them on. But hell Bluray still looks damn great!! I even own DVD movies that are dual layer format and they still look good.
Only time i really buy 4k is when the price difference isn't a deal breaker. I've only recently gotten a TV that can support 4k. I usually prefer a blue ray/dvd combo because I like the option to have blu ray for home viewing, but I can take the dvd and use it in portable dvd players or even in my car/truck.
I don’t have a 4k tv yet so you already know where I stand , now I buy 4k disc now as future reference but I’m not pressed for 4k at all , Blu ray is fine for me, hell some films only have dvd release and im ok with that.
I tried to catch up with Blu-Rays, but failed when I realized how bad it works on PC for no reason. I don't own a TV and never will. Still watching DvDs.
The reason is the picture studios don't want you to have access to physical media on PCs, so you have to stream it. DVDs were already common place and it was too late to prohibit that but blurays for a long time didn't natively play on windows, so you needed 3rd party software. I believe since about 2020 on a modern computer you should be able to play bluray but now it's the 4k UHD bluray that are blocked for PC by the movie studios. It is still possible with workarounds but if you don't a have a 4k monitor with HDR, I would recommend to not go any higher than bluray anyways.
People automatically think a movie on 4K s better which is not always the case
I haven't bought a 4K in a long time as the Blu ray version is good enough for me but if the film is a favourite of mine of which there is a big uptake in video and audio quality then I;ll upgrade example I have ordered a copy of the movie Fargo on 4K from Amazon US via Amazon AU here in Australia
4k make sense if you have a really nice home theatre. If you don't bluray is stil really valid and much cheaper. And i say this as a 4k collector.
Not all 4k films are the same quality. Some Dvd films actually look better than alot of dodgy bluray and 4k releases... lazy transfers.... Dvd format was a creative experience... not any more
Same thing happened when Blu-ray first came out. I just watched one of those early silver case 1080/Beyond HD releases, and the visuals and sound were awful.
The original snap front case DVD's sold in the very late 90s to early 00s were the best. There was no forced advertising or promotion and it went STRAIGHT to the DVD menu on boot up. They not only extended endless creative freedom to the artists, they ENCOURAGED it! Of course, that didn't last long. IMO, these original DVD's are the ones to collect. 4k is meaningless to me.
Now tell me which DVDs have better quality than bluray buddy
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There are lazy DVD upscaled ports to Bluray....but they are rare.
There are DVDs with VHS ports too.
There’s no way you think a dvd will look better than a 4k😭 it’s obviously a setup issue that you have
Bravo! Can't agree more! I have setups for each format in my home and enjoy them all. If I come across a 4K copy on the cheap then great. But I don't upgrade unless it's within my budget. But I been loving the hunt for movies on DVD, Blu Ray and VHS.
I'll say it depends what equipment you have, I am still sticking to Bluray and DVD I can get them cheap and my Projector is not 4K neither do I see myself paying 2 grand for a 4K projector and 3-400 for a player on top, especially not with physical media dying as we speak. now dont get me wrong I can afford it I just dont want to.
I think of 4k as a very expensive cherry on top, I sometimes want it, but not always. I'm only wanting movies I think will benefit from it as well
In the states it’s $24.99-27 for a blu ray and 4k is $27.99-29 normally for a new movie. I get the 4k for the extra few bucks so I can get both 4k and blu ray physical discs. So I have two great copies of the same movie. Paying 25 bucks just for a blu ray and dvd is still nice but the margin isn’t drastic. I see it’s crazy in other regions. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with blu ray. It’s amazing and has a natural quality with a good grain to it. I won’t knock someone who does dvd only. They are still supporting a better medium than streaming. Ownership of any format is important.
My interpretation of 4K Blu-rays is that it is for people that want to watch their FAVORITE MOVIE at the highest quality as possible. You shouldn’t buy it if the movie is what you like but not love to death.
Example: My favorite movies are The Incredibles, The First SpongeBob Movie, and All 8 Harry Potter films. Those have 4K Blu-ray releases and I consider to get those because seeing my favorites in 4K is a novelty. I don’t intend to buy other 4Ks because they are not my favorites and they are just there in DVDS or Blu-rays for sake of having it on physical media.
UA-camrs that say to get the 4Ks is mostly just endorsing the idea to viewers that these are special and not like the others to convince them that they should get it.
Overall, 4K Blu-rays are nothing special compared to standard Blu-rays because as long as you have the movies in a HD format, you’re good.
Blurays makes up most of my collection In most cases Im content with the bluray but I have 100 4ks now and most of them do look slightly better than a regular bluray some are amazing then I have some movies on 4k that arent really necessary like the movie Snatch is a great 4k but the movie itself doesnt have great visuals its totally fine on bluray and others I cant even tell the difference. I have lots of dvds which are totally fine for TV shows and Comedy multipacks.
Great video! Love your outlook
Buffy and Angel are some of my favorite shows, what are your thoughts on the angel show?
Wasn’t the biggest fan of Angel, but I also haven’t seen the show in its entirety so I should probably go back and watch the whole thing at some point 😅
I don't NEED any movies but I do want movies. The format that I pick all depends on how much I like the movie and the price point. I am very glad that I got Twister in 4k the sound is amazing.
I have a decent home theatre set up. 4k picture and audio is next level especially with atmos.
Blu Ray's are quality 👌 Have 4k as well but I still buy Blu Ray individually.
I think the older harry potter films look better on dvd than the bluray
I will buy the 4k UHD if it's available but there are so many movies that aren't so I will buy the Blu-ray. I can still easily go back to 1080p blu ray, it still looks great! We've hit a peak now in quality, you really can't get current or older films to look any better than they do! Going back to DVD for me is a struggle but the difference between 4k and blu ray is negligible unless you're spending the whole movie scanning around the screen.... It seems that only the absolute classics and some boutique labels are getting the 4k treatment anyway. Everything else is only on Blu-ray.
Thanks Bro for those words 👍
Buy what you love no matter what those Hardcore Collectors try to tell you because in my Opinion 4K is not the only thing of the World to Collect a normal DVD or BLURAY are just as valuable like other things 📀💿 🤗
And let's don't forget not every Movie Collector has his own Movie Theater Setup at Home and this comes from a guy who grew up with VHS Tapes 📼
It needs to be understood that all 3(media, player & tv) need to match or exceed the level of quality of each.
One of the few voices of reason on the subject. Absolutely right!
You're missing out on 4k Dolby Atmos. I have a 7.4.4 setup.
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Some great recent movies with sound effects I've discovered that most people do not mention:
- Superman in 4k 5 disc collection
- Amazing Spiderman 1 and 2
- Legend of Hercules
- Legend of Tarzan
- Life
- Kong skull island
- Sonic the Hedgehog 1 and 2
- Ghost Rider / Ghost Rider Spirit of Vengeance
- xXx: Return Of Xander Cage
- Gladiator/Braveheart 2-Movie Collection (4K Ultra HD + Digital)
- Bumblebee,Transformers
- The Revenant
Top Blu-Ray:
- Grand Prix (starring James Garner)
- House of Flying Daggers
- Need for Speed
- Wyatt Earp (1994)
- John Carter
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Majority of people out there do not have enough room for a decent Dolby Atmos setup and especially not a 7.4.4 one either!!
@@DavidMander-rs4uk My other room (family room 2ndary system) has a 5.1.4 system so that should be easy enough to setup.
Originally, the 2 rooms each had 2 subwoofers (family room 5.2.4, guest bedroom 7.2.4).
Family members didn't want so much bass in the family room so I repurposed an old computer subwoofer (Logitech, tiny 4 inches!) for the family room. This freed up the 2 subwoofers in the family room to move to the guest bedroom to turn 7.2.4 to 7.4.4).
Both rooms were setup with used speakers and subwoofers, openbox receivers, AppleTV.
4K is great but also expensive. I can get 1 movie in 4K, or 2 or 3 in regular Bluray
I am a physical media collector, but I won't bother with 4K, my dad had everything 4K and I tried watching it and all it did was make me dizzy, way too fluid movement, looked like pan and scan to me which did the same thing. but it is true, just collect what you like.
Regarding the "fluid" movement, I suspect that is less to do with 4K the format and more to do with his actual TV settings.
I was gifted a new 4K TV recently (nothing top of the line) and the default settings in "film mode" had the exact effect you are describing.
I was watching a Blu Ray (not 4K, 99% of my collections is Blu Ray) and the way people moved on screen was just uncanny and definitely had a sickening quality! I went in to my settings and turned all the advanced stuff to OFF and it fixed it completely. After a bit of reading up online I think it was the "motion processing" setting being ON that caused the overly fluid quality. Further reading revealed that most people in the physical media realm advise that you turn most of these advanced TV settings off. I was even reading the tech-specs at the back of a Blu Ray essay booklet recently and it advised the same thing.
Might be worth having a fiddle with the settings on your old mans TV.
Great advise , price wise at the moment I am only buying 4k from US that are on sale . If they are full price I go for the Blu Ray.
I buy 4k if 2nd hand, the price is cheap or its like a movie I tend to watch pretty often. I also like 4k for sci-fi heavy movies, like Alita, or Ready Player One. For the most part I go with Blu Ray.
Nope 4k is evil And if it dares approach my home It'll be one ticket down to the streets. However, if it's full HD blu Ray discs and full hd samsung tv it gets to stay in my home. No 4K technology near my home, especially on monitors as well. And I.
Will kicked it out to the streets With 1440P. No high resolution in my house. Only 1080p allowed.