REACTING to *The Lord of the Rings (1978)* THIS IS HORRIFYING! (First Time Watching) Animator Reacts
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Which version of The Lord of the Rings!
what have you animated? care to share some of your work?
Peter Jackson’s, no contest.
I much prefer this to the Jackson mess.
Both are great
The books
Fun fact: an animator broke a toe while animating Aragorn kicking the uruk-hai's helmet, and that's why he yells the way he does.
That very thing happened to Viggo Mortensen when he kicked the carcass of the orcs. He broke his toe and screamed out and P.J. kept that in the film and the reaction of thinking they were too late to save the Hobbits
@@candicelitrenta8890yes. That's the joke. Thank you for noticing.
😂
And Samwise gamgee cut his foot on a shard of glass in the water when following Frodo from Amon hen
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Ralph Bakshi wanted to make three movies but the studio producing it wanted a single movie so they compromised. The plan was to make 2 movies: the first Fellowship and Towers, and the second Return. Part 2 never was made by Bakshi but Rankin Bass made their version of Return. Rankin Bass Return of the King should be seen.
As I understand it, Rankin-Bass also wanted to make three movies, but they weren't sure if they could get the funding, so the only made the one, hoping to eventually be able to make the other two. They decided to start with the last one, so there would be a resolution to the whole story. But this might not have been the best idea. If they had made Fellowship first, they might have gotten funding so people could see the end.
IMO - and I think most people would agree, the Rankin-Bass RotK is much better than this.
The Hobbit is the best out of all of it
I agree they should watch Rankin Bass's Return of the King.
Ranking Bass' Return is not a good film. I mean, yes... I guess its worth seeing, but I don't think it deserves a full recommendation
@@perry0547 I think it's much better than this Bakshi mess,
Tolkien wrote "You cannot pass." McKellen and Jackson changed it to "You shall not pass."
Yep. Based on a WW1-vintage catch-phrase, "They shall not pass." (ils ne passeront pas) that was very well known.
McKellen did actually say "you cannot pass" before he said "you shall not pass"
what was most memorable about that was McKellen's delivery when he said it.
"You shall not pass," said Gandalf calmly.
was it not Philippa Boyens who changed it?
Even with the rotoscoping and Sam being too goofy, Bakshi’s _Lord of the Rings_ was my introduction and my familiarity of _Lord of the Rings_ before the live-action films done by Peter Jackson. In fact, without this film and to a smaller degree _Willow_ we wouldn’t have gotten the Live-Action _Lord of the Rings_
Looking forward to your reaction to _The Last Unicorn_ next week.
Are they watching an uncensored version of The Last Unicorn? The cutting the "damn you" part out of most versions of the film available these days is unforgivable.
@@Painocus I don’t know, what I do know is that the Blu-ray edition of the film that was released by Lionsgate on February 22, 2011, was sourced from a new transfer of the theatrical cut of the film, thus restoring the swearing and correcting the PAL speed-up issue.
The most recent one by Shout! Factory in June 2015 also released new Blu-ray and DVD versions of The Last Unicorn entitled "The Enchanted Edition". That edition was transferred from a new widescreen 2K digital master, and includes the original uncensored audio as well as a commentary track with Peter S. Beagle.
I don’t know if the Digital version of the reaction they purchased came from UA-cam or Prime Video that has the uncensored version, I’m just mostly excited to see their reaction of the _Last Unicorn_ movie.
@@EChacon Strange, I saw someone last year say they bought 3 different US BR realeses and all of them lacked the line. Maybe they somehow just got unlucky, I don't know how many different US BR releases there are but at-least 5 different ones seems a bit odd to me.
Some little information about the film to provide context : The film was released before it was finished, the production of the film had delays, in particular because there were a lot of characters to animate in the same time in some scenes, but the producers refused to grant additional time to complete the animation.
Secondly, what is interesting with this film is that Bakshi made it in a way not to impose his vision of the novels, he wanted as much as possible to let the spectators' imagination work, that's why in the prologue the characters are black silhouettes, to let us imagine the details ourselves.
Third, yes the film has its flaws, but we should all thank Bakshi for making it, because Peter Jackson said that it was this film that introduced him to Tolkien's works and got him interested in them. So without Bakshi's film, Peter Jackson's trilogy would probably never have seen the light of day and for that alone this film deserves a certain respect.
Also, personally, I like the design of the orcs in this film (especially those with horned helmets): a strong body, black skin like coal, small glowing red eyes, big claws on their feet and hands and long fangs like vampires, they look like demons, not much is missing to make them really scary. That makes them really unique, we've never seen orcs with this kind of design anywhere else.
except Jackson's movies are just good - nthing special
Jackson even homage some of the scenes from Bakshie’s works, such as the ringwraiths in bree
in the book, the team find their rooms trashed in the inn,
The whole black riders going into the room and stabbing the beds was Bakshie’s input and Peter replicated it in Fellowship.
as well the first scene with the Ring wraith on the road and them hiding under it, in an alcove was also taken from Bakshie’s film
@@zerpblerd5966is literally the best adaptation of a book ever
@@zerpblerd5966 I never said Jackson's movies are bad or less good than Bakshi's movie...
“You shall not pass” was a mistake Ian McKellen said on set (the script had You Can Not Pass as was said in the book) but it sounded good so was left in.
I sorta prefer that one…
Well Ian McKellen says you cannot pass but then he says you shall not pass when he breaks the bridge.
except as a writing the words have different meanings and yeah, Jackson is a bit of a hack
There were going to be more animation, but during production the studio refused to give them the needed time and money, so a lot of it was very straight-rotoscoped or just the live action footage with the "filter". The live-action footage was never meant to be used like that, just as reference for the rotoscoping, so a lot of the costumes were extremely basic, with the intent of adding all the detail in the animation, but since they had to use the live action footage the designs had to be simplified to match. If I remember correctly the "filter" technique used was invented on the spot by the animators as the only way they could even finish it with the time and money given.
The editing was also extremely rushed, the editor was given 3 months less by the studio than requested by the director.
The studio also refused to title the film "Part 1" (which is what the director wanted), leading to a lot of people feeling snubbed when the film ended on a cliffhanger. And then the studio cancelled part 2.
The Saruman/Aruman thing was also because the studio inconsistantly requested them to change the name back and forth, but didn't give them time to rerecord all the lines.
Also iirc the studio flat out never paid the writer.
The 'arm has grown long' dialogue is straight from the book. 'His arm has grown long if he can cause this snow.' 'His arm has grown long'. That's an affirmation, not a repetition.
I was like: What? Gandalf stealing dialogue? I was sure that in the book he repeated the words as a confirmation. Thank you for confirming my thoughts!
To be fair the way the much of the lines are delivered it’s hard to tell the intention sometimes if you haven’t read the books
Do note two of the cast members here: the late, great John Hurt as Aragorn and Anthony Daniels (aka C-3PO) as Legolas. When I was kid, THE RETURN OF THE KING was on TV constantly, so much so that even now I can still hear "Where There's A Whip, There's A Way" in my head. But the voice cast for that is hugely different, with legendary film director John Huston taking on the part of Gandalf and the wonderful, and gone much too soon, Roddy McDowall (LASSIE COME HOME, CLEOPATRA, FRIGHT NIGHT, PLANET OF THE APES) as Sam.
I remember hearing recently that the reason they called him Aruman/Saruman was because the makers thought that Sauron and Saruman sounded too close when they did a film preview but the movie was already made but they went back in some parts so that's why throughout the film they switch back and forth.
A childhood favorite that me and my siblings loved to laugh at, yet in retrospect admire the gallantry of it's effort in achieving the "unfilmable." Visually it's a absolute 70s acid trip, but I think it's strength is actually in the screenwriting and the voice acting. True there are plenty of jarring scene transitions and passages of time, but fantasy author Peter S. Beagle knew the ABSOLUTE essential scenes to keep and not to rush them, giving the voice actors John Hurt(Aragorn), William Squire(Gandalf) and Christopher Guard(Frodo) real breathing room to shine.
There’s a few characters that I really did like the voice acting for (ex. Frodo & Gandalf) however there’s also some that I don’t even understand how they didn’t do better with it (ex. Gollum & Sam). I think the script is overall the strongest thing about it, it does do a good job of following the books in terms of dialogue
33:40 That's more accurate. Peter Jackson over exaggerated the balrog greatly. They were large but not no 13 ft tall. I think it was more like seven or eight. But as where is this looks It's a little bit more accurate because the balrog was more shadow than fire
In a interview with Ralph Bakshi, he mentioned they shot the monsters like orcs and the humans in the tavern on black and white film and then transferred it to high contrast film. They then blew up the high contrast film frames and colorized them for the final film. As for the weird colors...well... that just seems to be Ralph Bakshi's style.
My understanding is that they shot the whole thing intending to rotoscope it but when they realized they didn't have the time to do it all just focused on the main characters and then just left in the shot scenes when they had to.
Well its not just how old it is, no. I think its ALSO that THIS 1978 animated version was independently produced and was made by a notorious underground cartoonist, is kind of rough around the edges and has this weird creepy nightmarish surrealism and psychedelic aesthetic (probably owing a bit to the era in which it was made). While the OTHER more recently made and popularly known live action version is more of a MAJOR MAINSTREAM HOLLYWOOD type movie with a bigger budget, CGI effects, and current big name celebrities as actors.
One of the few things Bakshi’s version does better is that John Hurt voices Aragorn as a complete…BADASS. 😎
(I also like Galadriel laughing off the idea of her temptation, even if it’s not in line with the original book. It just made more sense.)
I just listened to Galadriel's mirror chapter and she does in fact laugh off her temptation to keep the ring for herself
Fun fact. Legolas' voice was done by none other than Anthony Daniels. More commonly known in a different franchise as C3PO.
And Aragorn was voiced by a particular fellow who liked to sell wands in another franchise.
@@dastemplar9681 True enough. He's also HellBoy's adopted father, Hazel in Watership down and Caligula in I Claudius are some of his more memorable roles. Thanks for bringing him up. He was a fantastic actor!
Frodo's model was a little girl, but Bilbo's model was famous little-person actor Billy Barty, and Bilbo's body language shows it. Aragorn and Elrond have the same face, approximately, because the same model.
A friend of mine did some in-betweening for the film and was frustrated at how rushed it was. Gandalf's eyes all over the place.
If you liked that art style I strongly recommend the animated movie "Fire and Ice" from 1983. Like this one it has a look that is quite gritty, row and high-fantasy-like. Because of the look, the violence and the dark atmosphere of both movies they were not very successfull in cinemas of the western hesmisphere, as the crowd was used to see light, funny and Disney-like movies which are suitable to children for a weekend's cinema visit. In these days they created a strange and alien watching experience that was unique to only a few animated movies, in opposite to the "light-to-consume" stuff which was a lot more commercially successfull.
They ran out of money. However, you should be aware there really wasnt any fantasy of this scale, and it wasnt like you could watch it anytime you liked. So when you were able to see it, you made damn sure you did. Compared to the quantity available now and the ease of access it is like night and day. Most people didnt even have VCR's - it was cinema or nothing. That made us less fussy.
Wait, they're watching the animated version?!
OH HOORAAAAY!!
👏 😊 OoOh!
no, mainstream movies do real people dirty
most people are not 'screen pretty' and Sam is a simple guy and the animation follows the book whereas if Sam was ugly in Jackson's, well, the shallow-people would take issue, they wouldn't dare cast someone aesthetically unappealing to mass audiences - it's a narcissism problem
14:00 As a fan from that era i can say this: It's all we had, and we loved it.
36:39 Basically the studio thought the names Saraman and Sauron were too similar and that people would get confused. They then made it more confusing by only changing it sometimes. I always wondered why they thought people were that dumb. Then I watched countless people reacting to LOTR movies and getting them mixed up. So, turns out I was wrong 😂
To make matters worse, they mispronounce Sauron throughout so the two names sound even less alike. 🤦♂️
44:45 Peter Woodthorpe is brilliant! The voice actor for Gollum and Boromir repeat their performances in the 1981 BBC Radio series, which features Ian Holm as Frodo.
@@rickardroach9075 yes mate. I mentioned this in a separate comment. It’s an absolute banger and I’ve just listened to it again on Audible. It’s the thing that got me into LOTR as a kid. My dad listened to it in the car and it was some of the only time I got to spend with him because he worked such long hours
You can see throughout Peter Jackson's LOTR trilogy how much it was inspired by this animated version. I've always liked this version, even with it's weird bits.
The reason he took inspiration from this animated version is because it provided a way of a more straight forward linear story telling than the way Tolkien wrote it.
You guys should totally finish things off with the Rankin-Bass animated Return of the King. The art styles and animation don't quite match up between the Ralph Bakshi and Rankin-Bass versions, but at least you'll get the whole story told in animated form.
The production ran out of money so they had to stop at the two towers. Rankin Bass did adapt The Return of the King a couple years later. Should be on your list as it’s a sequel to their Hobbit.
55:38 Well it makes sense they have a Viking look considering the Lord of the rings is based on Europe for the most part. Mostly northwestern Europe. So the Vikings, the Brits, the Irish and Scottish, hell I think the names of the dwarves in The Hobbit are based off an Irish story.
All the names of the dwarfs in the Hobbit are from a poem in "The Edda" the great norse mythology, even Gandalfs name. Originally Thorin was ment to be called Gandalf but Tolkien changed it later because the meaning of the name "Thorin" fit his charakter better.
I think this is a better movie than the animated Hobbit overall, but I can’t stand what they did to my boy Sam.
This was all we had back then, and the Rankin and Bass musical version of *The Hobbit* (1977). For the D&D crowd, those were absolute must sees. There's a great sneer on Frodo in this movie that I have only ever seen there and on my sister. And I think Boromir's death is done differently, but possibly better, with the many arrows. And the scene where the arrows blot out the sky is straight out of the books. But Peter Jackson paid much better homage to historical LotR artworks than this version. I remember it fondly, but this movie was almost fanfic in quality. Ralph Bakshi has some issues, imo, though.
Not sure if anyone else has mentioned it, but there is also a Rankin/Bass version of Return of the King that is pretty good
The budget was a very big factor. Lord of the Rings before the 2000s movies was a very niche book series and fantasy stories like it were not all that popular until much later. Movie has its flaws but I do wish it got its squeal rather than just a spiritual successor with return of the king.
If you are going back to classic animations, you guys still need to check out The Last Unicorn. It's an amazing animated film done in the early 80s. It's not as epic as Lord of the Rings but it's a great movie and is still my favorite animated film all these years later.
Gandalf wields the Elvish sword of power Glamdring I think, which was retrieved from the trolls that Bilbo and the dwarves met in The Hobbit, along with Orcrist the other ancient Noldor Elven sword which Thorin Oakenshield was given and which was buried with him.
While PJ’s version is best overall, this movie captures some parts of the book better. I especially love animated Aragorn - despite my love for Viggo’s portrayal, animated Aragorn is closer to the book, and full of noble resolve.
John Hurt's voice was perfect in everything he did.
A Native-american Aragorn... (who knew diversity was already there, 45 years ago).
@@yw1971Not necessarily. If you would consider it that, that wasn't tolkien's intent. Considering it's based on Europe and northwestern Europe. You do realize that people that live outside tend to get dark skin right? The animators were the one that decided to make him look that way. If anything Sam should be darker too because he spends his time outside everyday gardening.
I got a little tired of the new Aragorns constant self doubt. It got to a point where it felt like Jackson was beating us over the head with it.
@@GamerKatz_1971Jacksons versions of Aragorn with his self doubt reminded me of Jon Snow from GoT. "I DUN WUNT IT"
Dude, the Ringwraith wobbling all zombie like when you first see them, my siblings and I were laughing so hard because we were SOOOO SCARED
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Man, I remember seeing this when I was still a kid in the early eighties, and I remember being so disappointed in the animation compared to The Hobbit. It instilled in me a hatred of rotoscoping that persists to this day.
expectation is evil
same!!!!!!
49:37 If you really want to watch a movie like that, look up Heroic Times, a medieval epic from the 80s animated with oil paintings but it also uses a lot of still images. It has no voice acting, just a subtitled narration because it's originally a Hungarian movie that just recently got an American release. Not the easiest or the most entertaining thing to watch, it's pretty melancholic and brooding, but it's fairly short and the visuals make it interesting.
Amazing art style. The film itself is also better in many area's, like atmosphere as an example, to the Jackson films imo.
Ralph Bakshi is certainly, at least, the bigger pioneer and innovator over frigging Peter Jackson. For example, creators and fans of things like Heavy Metal, Ren and Stimpy, South Park, and Futurama all owe Bakshi a debt. Now, do tell us, WHAT exactly has Jackson influenced? .. . zilch!
@@TheLecherling-hu1vu All the fantasy in Hollywood, videogames, and comics since the last 20 years old maybe ?
I never heard of this animation or seen this before wth
This film preserved, in rudimentary form, the moment that Tolkien wrote of as a critical turn and a moment of Sam's failure, the moment where Sam awakens and, though meaning well, stops Sméagol from touching Frodo. JRRT said that if Sméagol had been permitted to touch Frodo, he would have repented and served faithfully.
And so Gollum found them hours later, when he returned, crawling and creeping down the path out of the gloom ahead. Sam sat propped against the stone, his head dropping sideways and his breathing heavy. In his lap lay Frodo's head, drowned in sleep; upon his white forehead lay one of Sam's brown hands, and the other lay softly upon his master's breast. Peace was in both their faces.
Gollum looked at them. A strange expression passed over his lean hungry face. The gleam faded from his eyes, and they went dim and grey, old and tired. A spasm of pain seemed to twist him, and he turned away, peering back up towards the pass, shaking his head, as if engaged in some interior debate. Then he came back, and slowly putting out a trembling hand, very cautiously he touched Frodo's knee--but almost the touch was a caress. For a fleeting moment, could one of the sleepers have seen him, they would have thought that they beheld an old weary hobbit, shrunken by the years that had carried him far beyond his time, beyond friends and kin, and the fields and streams of youth, an old starved pitiable thing.
But at that touch Frodo stirred and cried out softly in his sleep, and immediately Sam was wide awake. The first thing he saw was Gollum -- 'pawing at master,' as he thought.
'Hey you!' he said roughly. 'What are you up to?'
'Nothing, nothing,' said Gollum softly. 'Nice Master!'
'I daresay' said Sam. 'But where have you been to -- sneaking off and sneaking back, you old villain?'
Gollum withdrew himself and a green glint flickered under his heavy lids. Almost spider-like he looked now, crouched back on his bent limbs, with his protruding eyes. The fleeting moment had passed, beyond recall. 'Sneaking, sneaking!' he hissed.
- The Two Towers
I believe Tolkien also stated that had Gollum been shown more kindness, there was a chance that at Mount Doom he would still take the Ring, but then cast himself and it into the fire willingly to spare his master and save Middle-earth, but would be unable to part with it and so cast himself in with it.
Okay I watched this daily for years from the age of 5 on vhs. I am completely and utterly nostalgia blind. ❤
Same here! My sister and I wore that vhs tape out! This is my first exposure to LOTR and no matter its flaws, this will be my first and my favorite because of its influence.
@charleshartley9597 a friend actually gave me a DVD copy last Christmas, and my sister saw it on my shelf a month back and shouted, "We have to have a movie night and watch this!"
@@floppsymoppsy5969 that is frickin awesome! Watch for those of us that like you grew up with this movie
Yes. This is all I had until I was 30 (when PJ's version finally hit). This informed a LOT of what I thought Middle Earth looked like in my youth. It has a special place in my heart.
This version of the Ring Wraiths scared the hell out of me as a kid. Whilst parts of this are closer to the books, the 2000s version goes to show how important it is to adapt to the medium in which you're showing the story.
Fun fact: There's also late Soviet era (1991) TV version of Fellowship on UA-cam which is something else entirely!
If you're watching other animations from around this time, Watership Down (1978) would be well worth a look.
I love this version, obviously not as much as Jackson's version, but i love how this movie looks.
I have purposefully been telling people that haven’t seen them that Rankin Bass’ The Hobbit, Bashki’s LOTR, and RB’s Return Of the King were done by one studio as a trilogy just so I can get their reactions after watching them thinking they were.
But they were all made by different animation studios. The Hobbit and Return of the King were animated by Topcraft, who later became Studio Ghibli. Lord of the rings was obviously animated by Ralph Bakshi. Both were released by Warner Bros.
Ralph Bakshi is certainly, at least, the bigger pioneer and innovator over frigging Peter Jackson. For example, creators and fans of things like Heavy Metal, Ren and Stimpy, South Park, and Futurama all owe Bakshi a debt. Now, do tell us, WHAT exactly has Jackson influenced? .. . zilch!
Re your question to LOTR fans, I can only speak for myself. First read the trilogy in '75 or '76 and, as a 13 year-old Tolkien loving, D&D playing, fantasy fanatic, was absolutely stoked to see the film when it came out in theaters. I really liked the movie, as you said just having a visual representation was great, but was a bit disappointed given my high hopes. Even in '78 the animation/rotoscoping looked strange; I think it hit the uncanny valley long before that term was ever imagined. The pacing was too rushed. The lack of detail in the main character design was disappointing. The abrupt ending came out of the blue. But it was Tolkien on the bid screen. Plus the Bakshi LOTR soundtrack was fire. I still find myself sometimes humming the theme 45 years later.
The part on the bridge with Frodo, Aragorn and Boromir rushing to the edge to try to catch Gandalf was actually beautiful and touching 😢😢
Only Boromir holding Frodo back from helping Gandalf in Peter Jackson's version is heartbreaking 😢 💔 😞 😔 😪.
I saw this movie when it came out, and I hated it. The inconsistent visual styles, even within single shots, and the shallow characterizations and un-nuanced line deliveries were pretty much unbearable, an insult to Tolkien. I was also slightly irritated that they didn't trouble to follow Tolkien's own pronunciation guide, and so pronounced Sauron as "Soron" instead of "Sowron," and Celeborn as "Seleborn" instead of "Keleborn." I would imagine that the reason they changed Saruman's name to Aruman was because so many people confuse the names Sauron and Saruman with each other, and they wanted to avoid the resemblance. The one thing that I did like, and still do, was the "Mithrandir" song that the elves sing in Lothlorien - the song itself, not so much the performance of it.
Remeber they had to do the film twice, once for live action and then rotoscoping, as many of those people especially the orks were in full costume and such.
I’ve seen other art where Sam looks nothing like the one in this but doesn’t totally look like Sean Astin but somehow somewhere in between and Aragorn in this is too Dark and doesn’t look like a Dork. 🙄
This isn’t horrible but then again it isn’t great! They should’ve reshot this, perfected the animation and released it in 79 or 80!
I grew up on the books before any movies were out, so when Bakshi's film was released I was 16 and pretty excited. Watching it for the first time was a mixed bag, to be sure, and I wasn't too keen on the Xeroxed characters either though I thought there were some effective moments, in particular with the Black Riders. In some ways it follows the tone of the books better than Jackson's films (and is more true to the book), and captures more of the folksy quiet of the Shire and its occupants. I also rather like the music score, particularly during Helm's Deep. But I was so angry it skipped over so much and ended at Helm's Deep...and the movie literally grinds to a halt at the end. And the editing is SO awkward. All in all there are things I still appreciate about the film but of course Jackson blew it out of the water years later.
48:13 It sounds like Saruman because Treebeard is voiced by Christopher Lee. Hes the only actor to be in this version and the Peter Jackson trilogy.
Thats awesome that you guys are watching the animated versions
Now you guys need to watch the Rankin Bass version of Return of the King to finish off the “animated trilogy”.
At the time, the marketing/press talked about how cutting edge the animation was. It was planned for two movies and I was very disappointed part 2 never came out.
The animated “Return of the King” was released as a TV movie in 1980. It’s not easy to find, but it’s worth watching once.
Ah yes, Saruman and his shadowy twin Aruman. I never could tell them two apart.
Yeah that confused me for years. I think I finally read somewhere that they decided to cut the S from Saruman because it was too similar to Sauron... but they were not consistent with it and it turned out being a really bad decision. Also many names and places were mispronounced in this film, such as Celeborn being pronounced with a soft instead of hard C.
1:00:20 yeah it's not a good movie but in terms of covering the book it did tremendously better than Peter Jackson did. Like insanely better.
If Frodo became a Ring Wraith, I think he would basically be Chucky.
The entire movie was done with rotoscoping animation.
The film covers the first half of the books, The Fellowship Of The Rings and The Two Towers.
I hope you do thr Rankin Bass ROTK. It's totally different
When i first saw this movie I loved it. The animation didnt bother me at all. In fact I wished they were able to do the other books. When the movie was shown on TV the channel said "sadly the other parts were never made so we thought you would like to know how the story ended". They then used footage from the movie and told a summary of the remaining story. It was really good.
When I was a kid this version was cool. You can't compare it really to the Jackson films because it was all there was at the time. And Bakshi intended another film but it never happened.
When you're doing rotoscoping you have a choice of how much of the frame you want to paint over. Ideally you'd do the whole frame, but that takes lots of time and money. They do the main characters fully (mostly). The "live action" sections are just partial paint outs. This was at the tail end of the Dark Age of Animation when no one wanted to pony up much money for it, after all. Lots of rotoscoping in the era. If you want to see something really freaky looking with a combination of "animation" and live action, check out some clips of the tv show Clutch Cargo from 1959, or one of the other shows made by Cambria using the Synchro-Vox technique.
Not sure if anyone else mentioned it so mentioning it here. Legolas is being voiced by Anthony Daniels, the actor who played 3PIO in Star Wars.
Now, they need to watch Rankin Bass's Return of the King.
Have you ever seen the 1977 "Wizards" by Ralph Bakshi? It's not GREAT, but you might find it interesting nonetheless.
As for this animated LotR, it looks like they ran out of money and released the film unfinished anyway. This was also relatively early into the development of the fantasy market. Things had been done in print and comic books, but it was still fairly early in the period, and there was a bit more development in the 80s. IIRC, I had just read these novels in a major reprinting and then the movies came out.
it is GENIUS
I had read the books first so when i saw this at a video store i was very excited i loved it as a teenager and until peter jackson came along this was as close as we got to the books not perfect incomplete but passable
The Balrog in the books isnt the size of a building btw. The Balrog is meant to be twice the size of a man or elf. So it's about the same size you see here.
Love this version
I honestly couldn’t finish watching this film because of the Balrog’s design. Peter Jackson’s take on the creature was much more appealing than this portrayal, imho.
It was the 70s dude, get off your high horse, you think you sound cultured, but you come off as a Dick
@@T-51_70’s or not, the design of this Balrog could have been better.
I’m so excited! I didn’t realize it would be this version you guys were watching. I also grew up watching this version. It’s so funny and entertaining.
Please do Rankin Bass Return of the King.
I remember when that came out and there were mixed feelings about it but you have to realize that they did not have the kind of techniques that they could have done anything very different. Star Wars came out that same year and George Lucas created Science Fiction effects that had never been done before and animation at that time had gotten very expensive during that time. People loved it though because it was the first attempt at that beloved story. Ralph Bakshi was known for more adult theme animation and came out with X-Rated cartoons as well. Another great one though is called Wizards and you should check that out
I missed this in the theater, and it was never shown on regular TV. It might have been on the various pay channels like HBO, but I didn’t have access to those at the time. So I didn’t see this until we got a VCR and started renting movies in the early 80s. I still enjoyed it, even though it’s full of rotoscoping and just ends abruptly after Helm’s Deep. However, keep in mind if you were a fan of fantasy movies that you were living in a desert at that time. Fantasy films were few and far between in either live action or animation. We often took what we could get in spite of the fact many of these films were flawed.
Dudes don't feel bad about being what you considered harsh on this movie, lol. Vaguely remember it from my childhood and after seeing the hobbit I was just disturbed by watching this lol. Just so weird.
Oh, and they tried to squish two books ("Fellowship of the Ring," and "Two Towers") into one movie - and a fairly short movie at that. So you lost tons of info, and the pacing was rushed.
The next movie, "Return of the King," goes back to the Rankin Bass style of animation and is a lot less jarring - Although they were some cool pieces to this as you guys pointed out.
Overall it was just so strange and horrible and not good...😂 I've tried to find "Return of the King" (I believe it was animated version?) I could be wrong, but I've tried to find it on streaming platforms and it's just not available. Available in the states right now, but if it's not available anywhere you might have to invest in the DVD version.
Watch more Ralph Bakshi films!!
The animation Hobbit was not bad but this LOTR was not vary good and unfinished I believe ran out of money. I think a lot of the rotoscoping was from a Viking movie. If you’re interested in some good Ralph Bakshi movies Fire and Ice is very good, Wizards and Cool World are funny and good IMHO.
Good god, Bakshi is overrated. He was definitely a pioneer, and some of his movies have great /moments/, but overall, I couldn't recommend a single one. The Rankin&Bass Hobbit is great, but their RotK is just as bad as this.
Super fun thanks for the reaction!
Sorry this movie didn't meet your expectations although personally I found it a lot better than The Hobbit to be honest with you and when I was in high school and saw this version before I ever saw the Jackson movies I won't up falling in love with the Lord of the rings through this animated movie if it hadn't been for it I probably never would have read the Lord of the rings because I thought it was too long of a book as thick as it was and the dialogue and this movie matched more of what was in the book then the Jackson movie did. And yes it was Legolas who found them not a female elf... Jackson gave a lot of legolas's lines because he had a crush on liv Tyler... The character that she played in the movie had a very minor part and the novel..... But to be fair where he's at as you did not like this version of The Lord of the rings I guess it makes us even because I can't stand transformers so I guess we'll call it even......
Actually in the book it was an elf named Glorfindel who came to meet the company. Legolas is first seen in the council of Elrond. And I agree...despite its flaws I like the style of this one better than The Hobbit.
way better than the hobbit
yes if it hadn't been for this movie I never would had read any of the Tolkien Novels. This anime movie grabbed my attention and I really enjoyed the character's and wanted to know more about middle earth and so read the Novels. and I liked the character drawings better in this than in the animated Hobbit movie. But then again to be honest I didn't much like the live action Version of the Hobbit and would have to say the animated version was better.@@scottythedawg
yes it was the animation of the characters in this movie that grabbed my attention and made me read all the books. and yes it's obvious that the hair colors of Frodo's cousin's seem to change allot. For the time this movie was made it was still an achievement. and I like how they drew most of the character's and wish Jackson would had based his version of Legolas more on how he was drawn in this than what he made Bloom look like. And at least Gollum looked more like a cousin to a hobbit in this than a freaky Mr. Toad from the wind in the willows like they drew him in the Hobbit.@@davidfox5383
I watched this as a kid after reading the books at least a few times and developing a serious Tolkien addiction. The Jackson movies hadn't been made, so this and the Rankin/Bass ones were the only films to watch. I appreciate that a lot of people really have a fond place for these in their hearts, but I disliked this strongly. I didn't like the uncanny valley animation/live action stuff, and I actually didn't like the voice acting. I couldn't hear the characters in the voices, just guys in a sound booth. Looking back though, I think it is less to do with the acting and more with the bad editing. I didn't understand the impact that bad editing can have at the time. Yeah, the Jackson movies made me cry tears of joy, to finally have something watchable (for me).
Interesting note: Anthony Daniels did Legolas' voice. (Anthony Daniels was C3PO in Star Wars.)
Ooooh hello! I think i have this dvd somewhere..haven't seen it for ages..I remember the black riders being terrifying! And the weird sort of...half live action stuff is weiiiird...great stuff though
I hate Peter Jackson trilgoy, it's nothign more than an uninspired hollywood peplum, It got the budget to buy its way with costumes and effect to the top but there's no art.
This movie is very creative, has heart and try to capture what the books are actually about.
If it weren't for this more faithful adaptation of The Lord of the Rings, Peter Jackson may not have been inspired to make his version. Both versions, regardless, have great strengths and often weaknesses, but they're both combined are still well made for the times.
You guys should figure out how to bring this animation back. It's just so good.
You should experience A Mouse and his Child, as a kid i loved it but it would always leave me with a sense of meloncholy, its unique imagery and late 70s early 80s music. I believe the studio that did it was sanrio of hello kiddy fame and it was based on a book.
If you two look online there is still photos of the action footage scenes you said you would like to see some, also they change the name to aromon because the thought too many people would get it confused with sourons name on this ,when this came out it blew our minds for all us 70s babies .the amazing director john boorman was going to direct a live action version of this in early 80s but film rights crap happened so boorman ended up making the best king aurthur movie ever made called Excalibur
I wonder if Ralph Bakshi could have better luck doing stuff for steaming
Fritz The cat was pretty steamy...
OK, now that Nobu mentioned it, you guys should watch the live action version of He-Man. I wouldn't call it a good movie, but it was a fun one.
Now you have to watch Rankin Bass's Return of the King. It is done in the same art style as The Hobbit.
If you want another strange animation hybrid movie, check out Dragonlance Dragons of Autumn Twilight as it combines cell with cgi in a weird way. It also has some interesting casting choices.
This movie is kinda crappy, but you have to remember, that all the inspiration they had was from the books, if i had watched this before the Jackson movies, i would have respected it way more
I do feel I should say, this movie was not made by the same people as The Hobbit that you watched. That was by Rankin/Bass, this was made by Ralph Bakshi
34:23 In the books, yes, and even in the Peter Jackson movies Gandalf 1st says "You cannot pass!".
you guys need to see the third movie, The Return of the King. it's a return to the style of animation as the Hobbit movie. just wish LOTR was done in the same style so it remains consistent
Why does Saruman sound like Yzma from The Emperor's New Groove? 😂
I'm glad you guys gave this a fair shake. I saw it in the theaters with my dad. I loved it. When we came home he gave me his copy of the Hobbit. I think this one did some things much better than Jacksons. The wraiths are creepier here. Helm's Deep gets my blood moving every time.
A very underrated movie. I liked your reaction immediately