#25 - 1967 X-Code "Marauder 390P V-8" - You've (Probably) Never Heard of It
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- Опубліковано 12 лип 2024
- Hello there, and welcome back to the “Yours in old FoMoCo iron” UA-cam channel! My name is Adrian Clements, and today in video #25 we’re going to learn about FoMoCo’s 1967 X-code “Marauder 390P V-8” engine. Chances are pretty good that you’ve never heard of this engine, as it was introduced by Mercury about halfway through the 1967 mode year, and less than 3,000 of these “parts bin specials” were produced.
We’ll see relevant trade journal and newspaper articles about the “Marauder 390P”, excerpts from period FoMoCo literature, and finally photos of 1967 Mercurys with this engine from each of the three assembly plants that installed them.
If you like this video, please spread the word about the “Yours in old FoMoCo iron” UA-cam channel with your old car friends - thank you. As I record this introduction on Friday, December 22, 2023, the channel has just passed 4,500 subscribers; it would be very cool to hit 5,000 before New Year’s. Alright, let’s get to it!
Yours in old FoMoCo iron,
Adrian
Chapters:
0:00 Introduction
1:08 Trade Journal & Newspaper Articles
3:34 “1965-72 Lincoln, Mercury & Meteor Cars Master Parts and Accessories Catalog - Text - November 1975 (Form FP 7566-A)”
4:35 “Product Information 67-G-24 - April 21, 1967”
7:53 “1967 Lincoln Mercury Manufacturer's Label Prices - May 29, 1967”
8:43 Production Numbers
9:38 1967 Mercury X-Code Cars
11:59 Close-Out
Great video!
@burtonrawling8555, thank you so much - I'm glad that you enjoyed it! Thanks for watching, and Happy Holidays!
Yours in old FoMoCo iron,
Adrian
As a 19 yr old, in 1977, I had the opportunity to thrash a 1969 cougar with the 390 c.i. engine. That thing ran like a scalded dog!
Quite a bit of interesting history. Amazing bit of research. Thanks!
@braddietzmusic2429, thank you for the kind words - I'm so glad that you enjoyed video #25! Thanks for watching, and Happy Holidays!
Yours in old FoMoCo iron,
Adrian
Very interesting sir,I enjoyed!
@kellybaumann1450, thank you - I'm glad that you enjoyed video #25! Thanks for watching, and Happy Holidays, Kelly!
Yours in old FoMoCo iron,
Adrian
Very interesting, Adrian. I've always known about the X-code but not the history of it. Thank you for featuring it.
@DSP1968, I'm so glad that you enjoyed video #25! It was a lot of fun to put together over the last two days. Thanks for watching the channel, and Happy Holidays!
Yours in old FoMoCo iron,
Adrian
Ive repaired vehicles for 51 years, and never heard of this FE variant. I have however done repairs on the even more rare 1963 Thunderbird "M" code of which roughly 130-140 examples were made.
This was a carryover from the 1962 390 which had three Holley 2 barrel carbs, although it was significantly detuned from the 401 advertised horsepower 62 engine. I also have a 410 FE which was originally found in 66-67 Mercury models (never in Ford vehicles) which was in an old Ford flatbed in a wrecking yard.
@@donreinke5863, I will be doing a future video on Mercury's 1966 & 1967 M-code 410-4V 330 hp V-8 engine. Thanks for watching, and Happy Holidays, Don!
Yours in old FoMoCo iron,
Adrian
Adrian Clermont? This video is Adrian's? Hell yea...I think he had a 427 4-door FBI car. Either way, I have conversed with him on Facebook for nearly 15 years
@@adrianclements8916 Thank you for the information...and your welcome. Always like learning about engine and vehicle history, even though Ive lived through a lot of it
60s style is clean and at its pinnacle across every U.S. made automobile
Currently have a 1967 Monterey Breezeway with an “H” code 390. As interesting as the X code history and scarcity is, I’m okay with my paltry 270 bhp. Thanks Adrian.
@michaelhicks9735, I have an H-code 390-2V in my 1967 Ford Galaxie 500 convertible, and it does just fine too! I'm glad you enjoyed the video!
If you would like to enter your 1967 Mercury Monterey 4-door Breezeway sedan (Body Code "54B") in the 1967 Mercury Full-Size Registry, please email me exterior, interior, engine compartment, and trunk photos of the car. I will also need clear photos of the cowl VIN stamping (located on a metal tab in the engine compartment above the heater box where the top of the firewall meets the cowl grille) and the door data plate (riveted to the back end of the driver door near the latch mechanism). If you have any original documentation for your car (build sheet, window sticker, dealership bill of sale, Ownercard, owner manual, etc.), clear photos of that paperwork would be appreciated also. My email address is adrian.clements@me.com.
Thanks for watching, and Happy Holidays!
Yours in old FoMoCo iron,
Adrian
Back in the 1980's, my neighbor had a 69 LTD with that 390-2v premium fuel engine. I kept track of that car and I believe it is sitting in a guy's backyard today waiting for the next resurection. I hope he gets it going again, it was a beauty.Oh yes, it was a very dark blue.
My first car was a 67 Sky Blue Marauder with a black vinyl roof. Smooth ride and sorta quick. The one thing it couldn't do was corner or stop. Horrible drum breaks. I also remember the Blue engine "cold" lamp that would go out once the engine reached operating temperature. The bench seating back in the day was also very roomy and comfortable. Power steering made light work of the heavy metal. I wish I had one today for long trips on the highway.
@marauders1043, that sounds like a nice '67 Mercury you had. Thanks for watching, and Happy Holidays!
Yours in old FoMoCo iron,
Adrian
I thought I was the only one who missed the old FE series engines.
I've have three or four of them. I've never been real impressed with the 390
As the tech advisor of the Rocky Mountain Thunderbird Club, Im never far away from the old 390 engines as they were by far the most common Thunderbird engine from 1961 to 1967. Ive done a few simple tricks to them to improve performance, as the 390 was (in my opinion) barely adequate for those heavy vehicles. Supposedly available in the 1964 and 1965 cars was the 427 FE, though I have never seen one so equipped. In 1966 and 1967, the 428 FE was a rarely ordered option (Q code) and vehicles so equipped were much better from a performance standpoint, than the 390 but the Thunderbird didnt get its maximum performance until 1968 when the new 429 (385 series) became the standard engine.
Strangely, the MEL series 430 Lincoln engine was available in the 1960 Thunderbird, but dropped for 1961 and subsequent years.
One of the club members has a 1960 430, a 1967 Q code 428 and a 1970 429.
In an informal test he did, the 429 was the best performer, followed by the 428.
@@donreinke5863 well if I can ask you a question or two I appreciate it. First thing I'll say up front is I never cared for the 390. Drink too much gas and did not give enough horsepower. But I have one in a 66 Ford Thunderbird. The engine is locked up or at least stuck. I have a few questions. The only owner, the original owner before my son. Probably have had it 10 years and not done much of anything with it. Couple years ago I put my family's concoction in the engine and have yet tried to turn it over. The plaque on the dashboard from when they built the car from Mr Jones the original owner is still in the car. No one knows what happened to the car except for it developed mechanical problems and his son with his friends as teenagers young teenagers pushed it into the garage. Well when I bought that teenager had become a 45-year-old man and his teenagers and their friends push it out of the garage and we put it up on our car trailer. It's set in there for decades. 40 or more years. I tried to save the vinyl top it was kind of iffy but removed it so we're not encourage rust. I'm looking for any tricks you have on that 390. Just anything. I won't to build a car as my son probably would have. The shortest way to say is that he decided to be a do-gooder and was killed by terrorists. In a short time he accumulated a few interesting vehicles. I would either like to get her back on the road or for sale in the car to somebody who would. The car is in great condition body and interior and glass. So those are reasons why I want to put it back on the road. Is there anything I should be looking out for on that 390? Anything you like to add, I would appreciate. Who knows by the time I'm finished with it I'm not even like the 390.
@@donreinke5863 I had a '63 Tbird with 390 and it had excellent performance. My problem was the C-4 was not strong enough to handle the power. About '78 I had a '67 Tbird with the 428. I had Gale Banks Blue print the engine. Plenty of power! Of all the cars I have owned, I miss my '63 Tbird the most.
@@gsxrsquid That car should have had a medium case Cruise-O-Matic, not a C-4. The C-4 was first introduced in the 1964 model year. In fact the C-4 was never made with a factory FE compatible bellhousing.
Of course, parts are made to install virtually anything in any vehicle.
Ive only worked on one 390 "M" code (with a three 2 barrel intake set up) that had close to equivalent performance to the 400 modified Cleveland engine I built for our 78 Thunderbird, a car with roughly equal weight to the 61-67 cars.
The 400 was not stock. It has a 4 barrel, Lunati Voodoo camshaft and closed chamber Australian 302/351 Cleveland heads with 2.07 inch intake valves.
I own and drive the 77-79s because by that time the handling was far improved over the 1961-66 cars, and since the nearly identical LTD II was offered with a police package, suspension upgrades are easily available.
The 61-66 cars tended to wallow a lot in cornering.
I presently own a '67 Commuter that I bought running in the Phoenix area about a dozen years ago. It has a 390 with a 2V carb that I think came back as a 356 cfm piece. I don't recall what the engine code is, but it is "out back" and it wouldn't take but a few minutes to check. No dings, no rust, light blue in and out. I also have a '66 Colony Park with the M-code 410 in it with C6-R heads. Of course it is a 4V. Great channel!
@413x398, I'm glad that you like the "Yours in old FoMoCo iron" channel! If you would like to enter your 1967 Mercury Commuter 4-door station wagon in the 1967 Mercury Full-Size Registry, please email me exterior, interior, engine compartment, and trunk photos of the car. I will also need clear photos of the cowl VIN stamping (located on a metal tab in the engine compartment above the heater box where the top of the firewall meets the cowl grille) and the door data plate (riveted to the back end of the driver door near the latch mechanism). If you have any original documentation for your car (build sheet, window sticker, dealership bill of sale, Ownercard, owner manual, etc.), clear photos of that paperwork would be appreciated also. My email address is adrian.clements@me.com.
Thanks for watching, and Happy Holidays!
Yours in old FoMoCo iron,
Adrian
My first car was a 68 torino GT with the 270 HP 2 bbl 390 .... c6 automatic, but a 2.75 rear.
Do you have much information about the Mercury 410 engines?
😊 where I am always impressed with the technical points you put out there. Your explanation of these numbers and particulars if you will about the car you speaking of on a given episode, his second to none great job.
@CAROLDDISCOVER-FINDER2525, thank you kindly - glad you enjoyed video #25! Thanks for watching (as always), and Happy Holidays!
Yours in old FoMoCo iron,
Adrian
@@adrianclements8916 you're welcome. It's been fun watching your subscription numbers increase. I've been adding on a number of subscribers every day here recently. It's nice to know some folks like what I'm putting out.
I had a 1967 mercury cougar came optional with the 390 mine had come with the 289 it was a good engine.
My first car was a 1968 Mustang fastback with an X code 390. (partial VIN 8T02X - can’t remember the sequence number). When my dad bought it in 1984 (for the princely sum of $625), we had never heard of an X code 390 (most literature for 1968 Mustangs didn’t mention it as it wasn’t added until later in the 1968 model year). This was before Marti reports, so I had no idea how many were made. I did figure it came from the factory with handling suspension,dual exhaust, AM radio, and automatic transmission. Someone had swapped out the 2V intake sometime before we acquired it. It had manual steering and drum brakes. I drove it from 1988 until 1997 when I sold it (for $4000).
Friend had an X-code convertible GT mustang, did not know about the fastback.
@olliesnead, thank you for sharing your history with an X-code 1968 Mustang. Thanks for watching, and Happy Holidays, Ollie!
Yours in old FoMoCo iron,
Adrian
Seems like a lot of effort for an 11 bhp gain.
@5CGQ, I know, right? Some of these automotive stories seem so pointless in hindsight. Thanks for watching, and Happy Holidays!
Yours in old FoMoCo iron,
Adrian
@@adrianclements8916 Maybe they had an excess of 10.5 :1 heads they needed to get rid of. Who would want to pay more for gas, for 11 hp.
@@ramblerdave1339makes sense
The X-Code was also offered in 1968 Mustangs and Cougars.
Also, I find it interesting that Mercury wagons offered a choice of a rear facing 3rd seat, or DFRS, whereas Fords were DFRS only.
@roger628, correct - as I stated in the video, I will put together a future video about the 1968 & 1969 X-code 390-2V engines. Mercury always had to do things a little differently, so your comment about RFRS (Rear-Facing Rear Seat) and DFRS (Dual-Facing Rear Seats) being available on the Mercury but only DFRS for the Ford is right on point. Thanks for watching, and Happy Holidays, Roger!
Yours in old FoMoCo iron,
Adrian
This was really well put together. Had no idea this even existed, not that I know much about FEs lol.
@Adrenacyde, thank you kindly! I hope that you'll find that all of my videos are well put together. Thanks for watching, and Happy Holidays!
Yours in old FoMoCo iron,
Adrian
Mustangs in Jan-Feb 1968 got the X-code
My neighbor had the Colony Park station wagon. We rode in the back cause we were young ruffians.
How bout a video on 68 428 CJ Mustangs?
@ytwhite5930, thank you for the suggestion - I have added that to my "future video ideas list" as #76!
Thanks for watching, and Happy Holidays!
Yours in old FoMoCo iron,
Adrian
Hey how about doing a video on the 410 cu in engine . Lots of people have never heard of it ! Thanks for all your hard work for us !…..
@thomasdaum1927, excellent suggestion - thank you! I have added the 1966 & 1967 Mercury M-code 410-4V 330 hp V-8 engine to my "future video ideas list" as entry #78. You are most welcome; I'm so glad that you enjoy the channel.
Thanks for watching, and Happy Holidays, Thomas!
Yours in old FoMoCo iron,
Adrian
@@adrianclements8916 Thanks for all your hard work for us !……
Thanks for the history lesson.
I also subscribed to your channel.
@garymckee8857, I'm so glad that you learned something new from video #25, and thank you for subscribing! Happy Holidays, Gary!
Yours in old FoMoCo iron,
Adrian
Ever hear of a '66 Mustang with a 289 K code engine with a 2 barrel carb and manifold? My high school buddy's dad had a '66 coupe, pony interior vinyl top, automatic, with a 2 barrel, which my friend drove to school and we would take out on Woodward avenue on weekends. It was surprisingly fast, and, would embarrass many a muscle car out there. I was able to drive it on occasion, and once, after dropping him at his GF's house, took it to Telegraph road, our west side cruising strip, and by chance, ended up beside a '68 Z-28 Camaro, and raced from a 20mph roll. I finally shut down at 80, with a fender lead on the Z-28, mostly from his shifting his 4 speed, while I wasn't wound out in 1st gear til about 65. Later that year, the Mustang was stolen, and during a police chase, the thief crashed on a side street, into several parked cars. After the Insurance totalled it, another of our friends, who knew how fast it was, bought it from the Insurance company to put that engine, in a '65 Mustang he was restoring (already, in 1969!). He took it apart for a refresh, and found all the K code internals, including solid lifters. As the "High Performance" backing plates for the 289 emblems, were in the glove box, we always thought it may have been an unsold K code (we knew nothing about the codes, never heard anything about them back in the day) that the dealer just swapped a two barrel setup on, from another car on the lot, because his dad wanted that color and interior, but not a four barrel. Would like an expert opinion.
My dad had a1965 Mercury Montclare Maurader with a 390 with two barrel carburetor and automatic transmission. It was a full sized four door car but he could smoke the tires on dry pavement.
Wish I had that motor in my '67 Cougar.
Back in the 90s, I did R and R on the cylinder heads on a 390 equipped 1968 Cougar that had burned a couple valves.
Those engines were a tighter fit than even some modern front wheel drive vehicles and was at least as difficult as doing a timing belt job on a V-6 Camry or Honda as far as accessibility to components.
Removal of the exhaust manifolds, which were different than the trucks, LTDs or full size Mercurys was one of the most difficult parts of the job. It ran very well when finished, but those cars were noticerably nose-heavy with the FE engines vs 289/302 equipped cars.
Curious that they would spec a 2V carb and intake on a 4V spec engine, one fails to see the point of not fitting the 4V setup. Perhaps they steered you toward the 410 if that question came up. That Caspian Blue Colony Park is gorgeous.
the '67 and 68 Ford and Mercury Police Interceptor Specials used this engine.
Interesting.....
Oldsmobile did this from 1965 until 1974 or so. High compression big block with a two barrel carburetor.
The X code 390 was also available in the 1968 Mustang.
I had a 68 coupe X code, AT, PS, PB, TL, AC in lime gold. It had 40k miles on it in 1993. A 100% rust free, all original, Texas car..
Wish I had it today.
@hotrodray6802, correct - the X-code 390-2V high-compression V-8 engine was available in both the 1968 Ford Mustang and Mercury Cougar.
Thanks for watching, and Happy Holidays, Ray!
Yours in old FoMoCo iron,
Adrian
Voice work, audio quality, video editing all improving. Folks notice when skills are honed as do the UA-cam robots.
Great stuff Adrian.
I am curious as to why Mercury did not offer their own 4v version of the 390 in 1967.
Was it a marketing move, or were they trying to upsell 4v fans to the 428?
They also had the 410.
@nealsidor1323, I think that @roger628 has the answer with his response "They also had the 410". For the 1966 and 1967 model years, Mercury offered the M-code 410-4V 330 hp V-8 engine and didn't offer the Z-code 390-4V 315 hp V-8 engine. For the 1968 model year the 410 was gone for Mercury, and lo and behold the Z-code 390-4V 315 hp V-8 engine was now available in the Mercury.
Thanks for watching, and Happy Holidays, Neal!
Yours in old FoMoCo iron,
Adrian
My initial thoughts about this were that it seems to be a poor trade-off, requiring premium fuel for only 10-11 hp more than the H-code engine. However, I would love to know if any of the cars built with the X-code engine went home and shortly thereafter had the 4V carb and intake from the Ford 390 put on. Basically you get another 35ish HP and a little more torque.
Very interesting. I’m guessing Ford had 10.5 compression engines but a shortage of 4 bbl carburetors and manifolds OR they had too many 2 bbl carburetors and manifolds. Or ?
@markw208, that could be! Thanks for watching, and Happy Holidays, Mark!
Yours in old FoMoCo iron,
Adrian
@@adrianclements8916, I subscribed. Also my dad was smitten by the 1965 LTD “quieter than a Rolls Royce” commercials and bought a fairly nice Caspian blue 4 door LTD hardtop. With a 352 regular fuel 4bbl. My parents pretty much refused to buy a car that required premium, even though it was only about a dime more a gallon
@@markw208, 1965 was the first year of the Ford Galaxie 500/LTD. For 1966, the "Galaxie 500" prefix was dropped and it became just "LTD".
Yours in old FoMoCo iron,
Adrian
That’s a very good comment, you would think it would be 4 barrel only
Beautiful set up 23 yo grandson has a 04 Big M.
Were these engines ever used in the 69 Ford 2V with this engine? It was in South Dakota where it was bought new and had an X in the vin and on 96octane it would run. Regular it pinged bad.
@XTT162, no - the X-code 390P-2V V-8 engine was not offered in the 1969 Ford full-size car lineup. The only 1969 FoMoCo vehicles that I know of that were available with the X-code 390P-2V engine were the 1969 Mercury full-size cars.
Thanks for watching, and Happy Holidays!
Yours in old FoMoCo iron,
Adrian
@@adrianclements8916 Thank you sir, I have always wondered about it. I wondered if someone might have swapped a 410 in it.
Interesting
My parents had a new 68 Mercury and that baby "RAN"!
I was 16 at the time.😝
@johntiquet4778, I'm glad that you found video #25 interesting. Thanks for watching, and Happy Holidays, John!
Yours in old FoMoCo iron,
Adrian
Thanks, oddly interesting Engine Stuff…….!!! And, me owning many Fords in the 1960-70s, etc. Always, great to PARSE, with ALL OF the **Ford Worlds…..oddly, also, have not bought Fords since 1967:*( that being low miles, a1966;GALAXIEM500 XL/4 SPD/352 dual /Burgandy ext/ Black Del INT,ETC.), the XL BEING A FAVORITE until 1976 ( to 77 TRANS AM, SE ,Hurst Hatch,loaded)……
I have a '68 Cougar with the "X" engine code in the VIN. A previous owner installed a 4V manifold and Holley carb from an S code engine. The car also has a C6 transmission and 9" rear axle and appears to have originally had AC based on the design of the heater box. Unfortunately, the AC was already removed before I bought the car. It also has tilt steering. I do not yet have a Marti Report to confirm the options.
@blksn8k, both the 1968 Mercury Cougar and Ford Mustang were available with the X-code 390-2V high-compression V-8 engine. A Deluxe Marti Report (about $50) will tell you everything you want to know about your car. Thanks for watching, and Happy Holidays!
Yours in old FoMoCo iron,
Adrian
My dad had the 1968 Mecury Montery 390P V8 2bbl that car was fast, you could lay down 50' of rubber in a heart beat, one day I chased down a Judge GTO he could not shake me off his tail all I know our spedo quite at 125 mph ,he worked in my DAD's office and told my dad what had happened that guy was pissed-off that night dad asked me how fast the Merc would go I said I did not know he then informed me as to what had happened that day ,Boy did I pick on the wrong car, pop then said good job he was tired of hearing about how fast the GTO was until he ran up against a school teachers car , Did I mention that the Merc also got 21 mpg, cool,
@user-oo2dc7mk1l, that's a great story - love it! Thanks for watching, and Happy Holidays, Jim!
Yours in old FoMoCo iron,
Adrian
I worked at a used car lot in the early 80s where the owner worked at a Ford dealership in the mid 60s. He would occasionally take a 390 equipped Fairlane to the track and would frequently get beaten by 389 equipped GTOs.
He had the service department install a 3.90 Traction Lock differential in the Fairlane, (he didnt say what the stock ratio was, (likely 3.00s or 3.25s) and the GTOs didnt beat him again.
The GTOs likely had 3.42 or 3.55 gears, but Im not certain of that.
So mercury wagons had the option of either a rear facing rear seat or dual facing rear seats.
thats pretty cool info....back in the early 90's i was given my uncles 2 door hard top 67 montclair..i wonder if it might have that engine....i heard of this engine back in the early 90;s ...and friend and i would talk about this engine at times.....i think you might have known a friend of mine...his name was Al dilessio from hazleton P.A ..he had a yellow 67 s55 with black interior and a convertible s55 also [ not on the road] ...and also a 67 marquis ...my friend Al had died a few years back
@user-bm8ei5ub1c, Al was a wonderful man! We saw each other at the Carlisle All-Ford Nationals every year for a long time. I was saddened to learn of his death. I have all EIGHT of his cars entered in the 1967 Mercury Full-Size Registry.
Thanks for watching, and Happy Holidays!
Yours in old FoMoCo iron,
Adrian
@@adrianclements8916 i wonder if i ever ran into you there..often a friend and i would meet al at carlisle..in fact one time we drove his blue 67 merc wagon from his house to carlisle ......yes Al was a good guy ....thank you for the reply
It's interesting that someone willing to pay for premium fuel wouldn't pay a little extra for the 4V engine which would under normal driving probably get better mileage.
@genehart261, the smallest engine with a 4-barrel carburetor available in the 1967 Mercury full-size car lineup was the M-code 410-4V 330 hp V-8, and that was apparently too much engine for a lot of folks back then.
Thanks for watching, and Happy Holidays!
Yours in old FoMoCo iron,
Adrian
What was the 410 4v that was in the 67s .
Nothing like a vintage station wagon......
Adrian, never knew of the Mercury X-codes. I heard of the use in Mustangs. Friends dad had 68 convertible GT. Someone else here had one in a Fastback. Any idea what production #'s were in mustangs? Love the channel
@jeffreyevens2033, I'm glad that you learned something new from video #25, and thank you for the kind words about the "Yours in old FoMoCo iron" channel! Less than 750 X-code 390s were installed in the almost 320,000 Mustangs produced for the 1968 model year; the installation rate was a paltry 0.23%!
Thanks for watching, and Happy Holidays, Jeffrey!
Yours in old FoMoCo iron,
Adrian
My brother in-law owns I think #one xcode 390 mustang,it's history has been documented since Ford built it,it's been featured in nemeraos magazines they built 4 as experimental,he has a complete,nos interior,car is green. The tiltle has x in the vin #,he has a huge binder with docs Abt the card history 😊
You come up with so many interesting facts on these old Fords. I can understand a lower take on the X code engine as many folks would not have cared for the Premium Fuel costs on these family cars and those who who wouldn’t mind the extra fuel costs would mostly prefer the 4 Venturi carburetor imho. Nevertheless it’s interesting piece of history. Thanks for sharing.
@brianhdueck3372, thank you very much - I'm so glad that you enjoyed video #25! It's fun to come up with ideas for these videos; my current idea list is over 75 items long, with many of the subjects being large enough to span multiple videos. I agree on the premium fuel concerns for the X-code "Marauder 390P" engine.
Thanks for watching, and Happy Holidays, Brian!
Yours in old FoMoCo iron,
Adrian
Didn't know about the X code thing. Seems like an odd letter to use seeing as parts on my Boss429 say AX (full size/ experimental). Just like engineering numbers are not the actual part number...they're not the engine code either.
I had a 64 Mercury' Marauder with a 390 -2:v: I don't know the code. 😮.
Have you any knowledge of a 32valve 4.6 in a 2002 Crown Vic Sport?I cannot find anything on it,but I owned one for two years.
@babaoreally8220, that's too new for me, but I recommend trying the CrownVic.net forum here:
www.crownvic.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php
Thanks for watching, and Happy Holidays!
Yours in old FoMoCo iron,
Adrian
@@adrianclements8916 Thanks for taking the time to send this info.
One more than you had. I like any thing authentic
@lonniemiller757, thank you kindly! Thanks for watching, and Happy Holidays, Lonnie!
Yours in old FoMoCo iron,
Adrian
One seems to have an aluminum intake manifold and the other an iron... factory ???
@ronbyrd1616, no - the car with the aluminum intake manifold has undergone some engine modifications (probably a 4-barrel aluminum intake manifold and 4-barrel carburetor). The other two cars are stock with cast iron 2-barrel intake manifolds.
Thanks for watching, and Happy Holidays, Ron!
Yours in old FoMoCo iron,
Adrian
Hey, I owned a 68 cougar x code. This vid says no cougars? Was it not an option in 67 but became an option for 68 cougars? Thanks
Also..it was a bench seat car...was a weirdo car I guess
I knew of the 410 but not the 390P
I honestly think Mercury offered this engine at N/C simply to "one up" Ford...as they did not have it...just like the offering the 410 which was also a Mercury exclusive.
@user-jo4mq7iy3m, that very well could be. Thanks for watching, and Happy Holidays!
Yours in old FoMoCo iron,
Adrian
I wonder why they strangled it with a 2bbl carburetor?
@Enigma-Sapiens, I think they were testing out a new concept (for FoMoCo) of a high-compression 4-barrel engine with the 2-barrel carburetor and intake manifold form the low-compression 2-barrel engine. I would not label this trial a success, with so few being built.
Thanks for watching, and Happy Holidays!
Yours in old FoMoCo iron,
Adrian
@@adrianclements8916, Thanks Adrian. Probably so, but I'd love to see one with a 750 cfm 4bbl and how much difference it would make.
Why go to all this trouble for a lousy 11 HP?
Because it’s “better” than a Ford! 😂
More is always better especially if it doesn’t cost more!
@jeffaulik3980, I agree - this seems like a lot of engineering and marketing work for just an extra 11 horsepower and only about 3,000 units so equipped.
Thanks for watching, and Happy Holidays, Jeff!
Yours in old FoMoCo iron,
Adrian
GL on 5K, I'm sure you will make it. 67 was such a great year for cars. Doesn't that HP seem kinda tame compared to 419 or 427 for 4-V FT/IBS of TQ?
If you're referring to the 66-67 410 engine, remember it was a 4V, high-compression engine. And the 427s were all-out race mills capable of in excess of 6,000rpm. 280ish horsepower sounds about right, at least in comparison with the H and Z code 390s, and M-code 410s that year, peaking at mid-4000s on the tach.
Although I have to point out that advertised horsepower numbers are largely bullshit. They only represent the engine's maximum potential output at full-boogie, and most of the time, those numbers were fudged. The torque figures, and the RPMs at which they occur, mean more to those in the know. Advertised HP numbers are largely for sales copy and insurance agents.
Case in point: the 428 CJ motors. The standard, sedate Thunderbird 428 was rated at 345 hp. Tasca stuck 427 low-riser heads and a few other goodies on a Police Interceptor 428 to make the first Cobra Jet, and it was rated at 335 hp - ten LESS than the Grandma engine.
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The horsepower rating of 281 hp for the X-code "Marauder 390P V-8" vs. the 419 lbf-ft of torque gives a torque to horsepower ratio of 1.49. For the H-code 390-2V the numbers are 403 torque / 270 hp, a ratio of 1.49. The Z-code 390-4V has 427 torque and 315 hp, for a ratio of 1.36. The M-code 330-4V has 444 torque and 330 hp, for a ratio of 1.35. The Q-code 428-4V has 462 torque and 345 hp, for a ratio of 1.34. So, the 390-2V engines both had a torque to horsepower ratio of 1.49, while the 390-4V, 410-4V, and 428-4V engines had ratios of 1.36, 1.35, and 1.34 respectively. So, the X-code horsepower rating vs. torque is in line with the H-code 390-2V's value, at least.
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X code was always a 352, I wonder why it went to 390?
@shrek_428, nothing unusual there, as Engine Codes were often recycled from model year to model year. "Q" was a 427-4V 410 hp V-8 engine for 1963 & 1964, and then it came back starting in 1966 as a 428-4V 345 hp V-8 engine. "R" was a 427-8V 425 hp V-8 engine from 1963-1967, and then starting in 1968 it was a 428 Cobra Jet.
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No extra charge? But you’ll be running premium fuel. Of course back then it was .35c a gallon. Lol. Throw a Holley four hole on it and you gotta hot rod.
Really neat to know but why on God's green earth would they use a 2 bbl carb?
Why such a high output engine with only a two barrel carburetor? Ford , I never could understand their logic.
@duroshebanja6810, the 1967 X-code "Marauder 390P V-8" is the first time I know of at FoMoCo that they took a 4V engine and swapped out the intake manifold and carburetor for 2V units. Maybe they were testing the concept to see how well received it would be by the buying public?
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The two barrel gave better throttle response put larger jets in and it was quick
@@adrianclements8916 The 1960 Lincoln and Lincoln Continental would see the 430 MEL V8's with 2 barrel carburation. Pontiac had a 400 with 2 barrel and high compression for '67. I suspect engineering wise there are benefits in larger vehicles.
Pushrod dinosaur
Boat anchor ⚓️ junk engine
Nope...
He is another idiot, probably a GM junk lover!!!@@nealsidor1323
@@nealsidor1323 really big heavy underpowered
Owned and drove two of them.
A 66 GTA & A '67 Galaxy XL. Both factory 4v cars and because of exhaust manifold leaks, I installed Hooker Super Comp. headers( not an easy task) on them
Both cars were a joy to drive. Smooth, AMPLE power delivery and a V8 rumble that was absolute music.
The GTA was a beast against a whole bunch of GM & Mopar muscle so my actual experience says NOPE not a boat anchor at all...🏁
@@nealsidor1323, excellent! Thanks for watching, and Happy Holidays!
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