I really want to love dragonbane, but when I look at a lot of the rules it just feels like a less polished 5th edition that works slightly differently and only have low lvl play. What is it that makes it so good in your opinion? As said i really want to love it. I grew up with the old editions and the brand is very close go my heart
@@bjornschaefer9856 I am another guy, but want to explaine .Less can be more. D&D and Pathfinder for example feel very overloaded to me. To play high level feels more like work than playing a game. The leveling feels also very immersion breaking because it makes no sense. Way too mechanical and technical. The scaling is just way too steep. My game of choice right now is Forbidden Lands, but Dragonbane also seems very attractive to me for the same reasons. I do not want 50 different classes, when I can get them all in a much simpler way. Free League games just feel so cozy and real and have a sense of grit and intimacy that I miss in the big games. Also those games do not try to sell me so much of so little value. Too many books with too much stuff I do not need and find to be superfluous. I give you one example in dragons. D&D and Pathfinder have like a trillion different Dragons in color. They are also differentiated in age. Dragonbane only has dragons classified in age, which is absolutly enough. They can have the color you want. You can change and play with them how you like and make them how you want and it is very simple. It does not feel as rigit. In Forbidden Lands for example it is so refreshingly easy to create your own NPCs and Monsters and I believe it is similar in Dragonbane. These games just feel really good.
@@bjornschaefer9856 I'm still looking into Dragonbane myself, but it seems to have a fair amount of classic OSR style mindset to it, but with a lot of modern QOL improvements. It's a little lighter, litter more freeform, little more narrative than D&D is. Monster's, for example, don't really even have stats. Certainly not a full stat block. Instead they just have a list of possible special attacks they do and a description of behaviors, and as a DM you just roll a die to see which one they use each round and decide who it targets. Also, all die rolling is PC side and simplified. You always know the DC of every check as a player, because it's always roll under. There are no modifiers of any kind, and instead it just uses a flat advantage system. Monsters don't even roll for anything, they're presumed to automatically hit unless players successfully dodge, block, or parry. As someone who gave up on D&D in favor of almost any other fantasy RPG (mostly just due to burnout, system is still fine really) I am intrigued. Also, anthro ducks. I want to make a Mallard ranger/vigilante character and name him Dark Wing.
@@EvanDuly At first glance I think it looked a little cobbled together cus I'm so used to seeing the 5e like mechanics in a different game than DB. Now when i've started to get more familiar with the system tho I do see so many fun little things with it. There's a lot of mechanical depth that I'm looking forward to sink my teeth in
Alone in Deepfall Breach is amazing as a brain storming tool, GM teaching tool, and tool for learning the game. So far, its my favorite part of the box set.
I used to play Drakar och Demoner in the nineties. Still have the boxes and was going to play with my friends when I found out about the new version. So, now it's time to gather the players and re-live old times. Thanks for a great video
The adventure Road of glorys first part is a kin to the keep on the borderlands.. when i saw the two minotaurs.. A lot of old drakar och demoner players remember the encounters with them.. and the forest..
Love Dragonbane. VERY easy yo use said stat " blocks" of monsters abd homebrew said new types or variations of Dragon. Got all books and such. Even pre-ordered the green faux leather and gold engravings of the limited edition bestiary and rule books
Honestly I very much agree that most people really should start with the core box set before buying the extra material. The box has so much value in it and it includes everything you would need and then some. They did not have to give us solo rules or the standees but they did. I did notice one minor difference between the hardcover book and the softbound one is that the hardcover includes a list of errata (I believe in the first few pages).
I'd love to see more about Dragonbane and other games of that type. There are so many alternatives out there, it's fun to see what is catching the interest of experienced DMs like yourself.
Great review of a great product - the box set is so much value for dollar. Well worth the spend for everything you get. And I really enjoy the inversion of the d20 rules where 1s are crits (dragons). The game is fast-paced and fun.
I use the cloth map as a thematic table cloth during games It also makes a nice poster or painting if stretched and framed XD. But yea its to big to be a practical map at the table.
Man, hear me out. Barker is done with his UA-cam, Matt with a fistfullofdice is done, Juce is done, and Nate is running on empty. How AWESOME would it be if… the Provokers assembled one last time for the most EPIC finale campaign in the history of dungeons and dragons. The dnd community would go BONKERS
In a not so distant future we are about to fire up a *Drakar och Demoner* Campaign, will be the first time in over 20 years i will be doing that, to say i am excited is a big understatment.. lol been playing DnD for the past 20+ years, so going back to where it all started for me in the really early 90´s.. :D
Question about the box set. How is the binding on the soft cover rule book? Free League's quality is normally top tier, but it's always my biggest concern with soft bound books. Does the binding seem quality and durable?
i bought the bestiary in presale, but I didn't know I would need to buy it again for Foundry VTT to be allowed to use it in it... so I do regret buying it... For Path of Glory I've asked and it will also be available for Foundry VTT seperately, so I won't be buing the paper version since all our games are played using Foundry. I really like the system and the campaign. Since we all have wifes and kids it's nice to be able to hop in and out without assle and simply jump into the fun. DnD is not super complex... but dragonbane is just so quick and light as a system it's awesome.
Indeed. But I still bought it because the integration is super well made. The learning curve of foundry is a little steep for the time I had, but it’s worth the trouble. My friends are using roll20 and fantasy ground, so I wasn’t sure about learning a new one, but damn it’s worth it. And the community seems quite active about producing stuff etc.
Forbidden lands are "darker", critical hits are deadlier, contains rules for bases etc. Dragonbane is "happier" but deadly as well, have "easier" rules for d&d only experienced players. "Faster" gameplay is my experience.
I've been playing FL solo for a couple of sessions, and i think it's a rewarding experience. You will need to learn and circle the hex procedure to get a good flow of the game. I recommend getting the Book of Beasts for solo rules and maybe the solo expansion from DriveThroughRPG.
They need to make those standees for the creatures and races in the bestiary. nothing worse than only having the ones that come with the box set and then you want to use the monsters in the bestiary and you get nothing to represent them.
Or, you buy both box and rulebook, and the players can use the softcover as the table copy, and I keep using my hardcover. :) If you don't want that cloth map, I'll take it. ;)
I was super disappointed by the bestiary, too many redundant monsters from the boxset and too few new creatures unique to the game (I'm personally bored of minotaurs, chimeras, and mermaids in every setting, I want oddities that are new to me like the swan maiden or spider kin). But more disappointing than the bestiary was for me, is that I can't convince any of my friends to play this game, whose rules I adore so much...
Very few people want the cards, standies or character sheets. We DO very much want the adventures and many will want a hardback book to match the monster Manuel. It's an underhanded selling scheme and i wish 'influencers" ( salesmen )would stop trying to act like it's a good thing somehow. And yeah, that monster art looks lazy ( cheap ) for today's standards. I wish these RPG companies would stop jacking us around. Good system ( I have the Quick-Start ) I just wish they didn't poop on it with insulting marketing / packaging tactics.
“Very few people” I’d love to see your stats on that. I can only speak for me. I think they’re a great inclusion. I’ve gotten very good use from them and found them to be handy gaming aids.
@@WASD20 I seem to stand corrected, as we've taken a sample 10:1. or 11:2. You of all people didn't already have a collection of standies or minies? Weird, but ok.
Dragon bane and One Ring 2e are fast becoming my go to games. Free league is amazing
I really want to love dragonbane, but when I look at a lot of the rules it just feels like a less polished 5th edition that works slightly differently and only have low lvl play. What is it that makes it so good in your opinion? As said i really want to love it. I grew up with the old editions and the brand is very close go my heart
@@bjornschaefer9856 I am another guy, but want to explaine .Less can be more. D&D and Pathfinder for example feel very overloaded to me. To play high level feels more like work than playing a game. The leveling feels also very immersion breaking because it makes no sense. Way too mechanical and technical. The scaling is just way too steep. My game of choice right now is Forbidden Lands, but Dragonbane also seems very attractive to me for the same reasons. I do not want 50 different classes, when I can get them all in a much simpler way. Free League games just feel so cozy and real and have a sense of grit and intimacy that I miss in the big games. Also those games do not try to sell me so much of so little value. Too many books with too much stuff I do not need and find to be superfluous.
I give you one example in dragons.
D&D and Pathfinder have like a trillion different Dragons in color. They are also differentiated in age. Dragonbane only has dragons classified in age, which is absolutly enough. They can have the color you want. You can change and play with them how you like and make them how you want and it is very simple. It does not feel as rigit.
In Forbidden Lands for example it is so refreshingly easy to create your own NPCs and Monsters and I believe it is similar in Dragonbane. These games just feel really good.
@@bjornschaefer9856 I'm still looking into Dragonbane myself, but it seems to have a fair amount of classic OSR style mindset to it, but with a lot of modern QOL improvements. It's a little lighter, litter more freeform, little more narrative than D&D is. Monster's, for example, don't really even have stats. Certainly not a full stat block. Instead they just have a list of possible special attacks they do and a description of behaviors, and as a DM you just roll a die to see which one they use each round and decide who it targets. Also, all die rolling is PC side and simplified. You always know the DC of every check as a player, because it's always roll under. There are no modifiers of any kind, and instead it just uses a flat advantage system. Monsters don't even roll for anything, they're presumed to automatically hit unless players successfully dodge, block, or parry. As someone who gave up on D&D in favor of almost any other fantasy RPG (mostly just due to burnout, system is still fine really) I am intrigued. Also, anthro ducks. I want to make a Mallard ranger/vigilante character and name him Dark Wing.
@@bjornschaefer9856what mechanics do you not like about DB compared to 5e? What makes it “less polished”?
@@EvanDuly At first glance I think it looked a little cobbled together cus I'm so used to seeing the 5e like mechanics in a different game than DB. Now when i've started to get more familiar with the system tho I do see so many fun little things with it. There's a lot of mechanical depth that I'm looking forward to sink my teeth in
Alone in Deepfall Breach is amazing as a brain storming tool, GM teaching tool, and tool for learning the game. So far, its my favorite part of the box set.
That's great! I've yet to play it, but I'd like to sometime. My good friend, Matt Click, was one of the creators of Alone in Deepfall Breach.
I used to play Drakar och Demoner in the nineties. Still have the boxes and was going to play with my friends when I found out about the new version. So, now it's time to gather the players and re-live old times.
Thanks for a great video
Biggest change: fighting is more streamlined and faster. A positive thing for at least me and my players.
@@SteveDahlskog I agree, there are many things in the new package that i like.
Sooo true. And it is more easy to play. Don't have to check the rulebook all the time.
@@johnnydeville1551 and the resistance table is gone and replaced with the /opponents’/resistance (whatever it is called in English) roll.
@@SteveDahlskog Also a good change
The adventure Road of glorys first part is a kin to the keep on the borderlands.. when i saw the two minotaurs.. A lot of old drakar och demoner players remember the encounters with them.. and the forest..
Nice! I know nothing about the originals, but I’m excited to get it.
i have the core book and bestiary, friggin awesome books, i may never play that game specifically but the inspiration and artwork is immense
Great video!
Thanks, Bob! :)
Really glad to see this kind of video for Dragonbane!
Love Dragonbane. VERY easy yo use said stat " blocks" of monsters abd homebrew said new types or variations of Dragon. Got all books and such. Even pre-ordered the green faux leather and gold engravings of the limited edition bestiary and rule books
Get everything. It’s all good!
I just love when you do these high quality “buy” considerations videos. You do such a phenomenal job. ❤😊👏
I love ALL WASD20 videos!!!! ❤
He has been consistent with useful content through the years.
Oh, yeah, the art by Johan is awesome.
Honestly I very much agree that most people really should start with the core box set before buying the extra material. The box has so much value in it and it includes everything you would need and then some. They did not have to give us solo rules or the standees but they did. I did notice one minor difference between the hardcover book and the softbound one is that the hardcover includes a list of errata (I believe in the first few pages).
I'd love to see more about Dragonbane and other games of that type. There are so many alternatives out there, it's fun to see what is catching the interest of experienced DMs like yourself.
Always a nice surprise to see I missed one of your videos
Joe Devers Lone Wolf RPG based on Dragonbane is now on kickstarter. It is a rpg based on his famous book series.
Great review of a great product - the box set is so much value for dollar. Well worth the spend for everything you get. And I really enjoy the inversion of the d20 rules where 1s are crits (dragons). The game is fast-paced and fun.
It is indeed an incredible value.
I use the cloth map as a thematic table cloth during games It also makes a nice poster or painting if stretched and framed XD. But yea its to big to be a practical map at the table.
Great video for fellow geeky consumers! You just saved me some moolah ❤
Awesome! Thank you!
I have both. I lend the soft cover to the players and keep the hard cover for me during the game.
I’m the opposite 😆
Note the updates rules in the hardcover.
@@ALvIn0H-f6y Box set softcover also has them if it the 2nd print run.
Good review.
That cloth map looks sick!!
You could hang it up on a wall
That would be cool
My group has been slowly going through the box campaign and man is it fun.. only 1 character died so far, ofcourse it was mine :P
Hello i found this channel a month ago and i watch it a lot and already subscribed
Man, hear me out. Barker is done with his UA-cam, Matt with a fistfullofdice is done, Juce is done, and Nate is running on empty. How AWESOME would it be if… the Provokers assembled one last time for the most EPIC finale campaign in the history of dungeons and dragons. The dnd community would go BONKERS
In a not so distant future we are about to fire up a *Drakar och Demoner* Campaign, will be the first time in over 20 years i will be doing that, to say i am excited is a big understatment.. lol been playing DnD for the past 20+ years, so going back to where it all started for me in the really early 90´s.. :D
Fun!
Question about the box set. How is the binding on the soft cover rule book? Free League's quality is normally top tier, but it's always my biggest concern with soft bound books. Does the binding seem quality and durable?
So far so good. I have noticed any issues!
They’ve done some rule corrections in the bound rule book.
You are correct. Mostly minor revisions to make certain things clearer.
And also in the second printing of the rules book box set 😉
The Adventure book in the box set has more monsters and NPCs, doubling the number enemies from the rule book.
Good point
Im going to fram my cloth map :)
Im sold!
How is Dragonbane vs EZD6?
i bought the bestiary in presale, but I didn't know I would need to buy it again for Foundry VTT to be allowed to use it in it... so I do regret buying it... For Path of Glory I've asked and it will also be available for Foundry VTT seperately, so I won't be buing the paper version since all our games are played using Foundry.
I really like the system and the campaign. Since we all have wifes and kids it's nice to be able to hop in and out without assle and simply jump into the fun. DnD is not super complex... but dragonbane is just so quick and light as a system it's awesome.
Very nice!
I mean everything, but they having to buy it twice thing. That stinks. It would be nice if they had a bundle with physical book and foundry.
Indeed. But I still bought it because the integration is super well made.
The learning curve of foundry is a little steep for the time I had, but it’s worth the trouble. My friends are using roll20 and fantasy ground, so I wasn’t sure about learning a new one, but damn it’s worth it. And the community seems quite active about producing stuff etc.
Great review
Magic book in the works too
Oh really? That’s cool. Where did you hear about this? I did a quick search and couldn’t find any information.
9:46 I really wanna know if this book has solo rules. I would probably get a PDF if so.
I don’t see any evidence that there will be solo rules for Path of Glory.
Such a great game.
Awesome!
Man I miss your video reviews
Awesome!
A sample session?
I'm very interested in this game, how to prepare and conduct a session, etc.
The solo adventure I think teaches and prepares you to run the game and ideas on how to prep.
I can't decide between this and forbidden lands
What are you hoping for in the one you choose?
Forbidden lands are "darker", critical hits are deadlier, contains rules for bases etc.
Dragonbane is "happier" but deadly as well, have "easier" rules for d&d only experienced players.
"Faster" gameplay is my experience.
@@SeldonnHari I like the exploration mechanics in forbidden lands hex map
I've been playing FL solo for a couple of sessions, and i think it's a rewarding experience. You will need to learn and circle the hex procedure to get a good flow of the game. I recommend getting the Book of Beasts for solo rules and maybe the solo expansion from DriveThroughRPG.
Dragonbane is more one shot fun kind of game, FB darker and campaigny.
Is this you last video, when are you going to post again 😢
Soon!
Wait. Do you know players that buy their own books? Crazy.
It’s rare! 😂
Well... looks like I'm gonna end up with it all 😅
They need to make those standees for the creatures and races in the bestiary. nothing worse than only having the ones that come with the box set and then you want to use the monsters in the bestiary and you get nothing to represent them.
They do though? Theres an extra set you can get that covers everything in the bestiary outside of the ones already included in the core box.
@@TheAnon26 what is it called?
@@intothezombieapocalypse Monsters Standee Set. Its in the "Extras" section of the freeleague store.
Or, you buy both box and rulebook, and the players can use the softcover as the table copy, and I keep using my hardcover. :)
If you don't want that cloth map, I'll take it. ;)
I was super disappointed by the bestiary, too many redundant monsters from the boxset and too few new creatures unique to the game (I'm personally bored of minotaurs, chimeras, and mermaids in every setting, I want oddities that are new to me like the swan maiden or spider kin).
But more disappointing than the bestiary was for me, is that I can't convince any of my friends to play this game, whose rules I adore so much...
About 15 monsters in the core book, 63 in the bestiary. For me it is more than enough.
Very few people want the cards, standies or character sheets. We DO very much want the adventures and many will want a hardback book to match the monster Manuel. It's an underhanded selling scheme and i wish 'influencers" ( salesmen )would stop trying to act like it's a good thing somehow. And yeah, that monster art looks lazy ( cheap ) for today's standards. I wish these RPG companies would stop jacking us around. Good system ( I have the Quick-Start ) I just wish they didn't poop on it with insulting marketing / packaging tactics.
“Very few people”
I’d love to see your stats on that.
I can only speak for me. I think they’re a great inclusion. I’ve gotten very good use from them and found them to be handy gaming aids.
@@WASD20 I seem to stand corrected, as we've taken a sample 10:1. or 11:2. You of all people didn't already have a collection of standies or minies? Weird, but ok.