A couple comments for this one: 1. Although Aa does seem to sell/rent out moulds nowadays, it's hard to believe that Maisto would use the Aa moulding for Aventador. I'd love to see the comparison. 2. Paint rash is, as far as I know, caused by the expulsion of gasses from the base material. The 'rash' is tiny bubbles of air pushing the paint surface up. I'm no expert in ABS plastic (I guess that's what they use for shells nowadays), but the real car bumpers made of it don't seem to have dermatological problems, so that issue should be off the table ;) It can deteriorate in other ways, especially when exposed to elements. As with zamak before, not all plastics are equal, so it's still a gamble. 3. I personally don't care for the limited quantity and I don't think this is a collector's trait of character. Collectors, in a very broad definition, like to gather stuff, that's it. There are people out there collecting mass produced mundane object, because they have this compulsion. Limited availability is a nod towards those who have another compulsion - to differentiate themselves, a need to prove to themselves and everyone else they are, in fact, different, special, whatever gets you going. I, for example, collect scale models because I'm an aesthete who happens to like cars and sculpture. That's what they essentially are (especially resin) - a small sculpture. I don't care for the exclusivity even one bit. If anything, it is a source of anxiety for me, because once you learn that what you once bought has become valuable, you can't 'unlearn' it and it makes me question if I'm being unreasonable exposing these valuable ones instead of keeping them in their styrofoam shells, in a dark place, with controlled humidity and stable temperature 😆 Which, when you think of it, is beyond bizarre. I know that, as luxury items that serve no purpose, limited quantity is a way of luring people into 'investing' in them and an incentive to make a purchase sooner than later, but I'd much rather live in the world of unlimited releases for cheap.
A very interesting perspective. I am a designer and love car design- that is why I collect only metal diecast as opposed to sealed resin. Sealed resin captures STYLING of a car fine, i.e. it's outward appearance. But there is much more to design than mere styling: - design itself is a responce to objective factors as it is a stylist self-expression. For example, looking at the door opening outlines - their logic can be demonstrated only by opening diecast models, as for example with the recent Ferrari 275GTB by CMC that shows why a forward edge of doors has to go so much forward than say in 250GTO- because it is a geometric issue being solved as 275GTB has much wider "shoulders" running the length of the car, while the door itself should be still reachable from inside when open which means it has to also "dip" into the body when being opened. This is all design and it is all lost in a sealed resin model. Its also nice to see the protruding bulges or air scoops in engine covers correspond to carburetors or turbo fans underneath, etc. Without seeing these elements that in part shape the "skin" (i.e. what designers call "packaging" of the car), the communication of design "intent" ND logic is diminished, and what remains is mere stupid styling... Not to mention that to my mind sealed resin is primarily visual while metal diecast is much more tactile, which I prefer. Anyway, to each their own, of course! PS. I personally do not like AA opening ABS, and like only metal (zamac) diecast- again, for its tactility, weight, etc. Paint rush is common, of course, but then it is an expression of entropy, a patina of sorts abd does not bug me nearly as much as lifting a toylike super-lightweight and flimsy-feeling ABS by Autoart. Cheers!
@@yoryteperman429 That's a very interesting perspective I have never thought of (possibly because I'm not a designer ;)), but it makes a lot of sense, thank you for sharing that. I would argue a bit with the notion that 'what remains is mere stupid styling' as this stupid styling is still a result of the same forces at play, only that you can't discover them which takes away from the overall experience... And having one terribly rashed model it's extremely hard to convince myself that I'm ok with it being an expression of entropy, especially with today's prices :D Cheers!
on your point about the flimsy feeling opening parts, there is a positive that feels like a byproduct of the lighter material and thats the wing doors on models that have them staying open much better due to their lighter weight. when you have a diecast model with wing doors it always makes you flinch when it slips and slams shut since its metal so i guess thats definitely a give and take feature right there!
I thought that I wouldn't like the AutoArt composite models until I got a couple. I got the McLaren Senna, P1 and 720S, as well as a Koenigsegg Agera, and I was more than satisfied. The shutlines, the paint and the details are quite good. I feel that it is a positive that the doors are light since the supercar funky opening doors stay open better.
They are very good models. I do think there is room for both diecast metal and ABS. The most important thing for me is the paint and the overall details.
What about resin/composite being affected by parts changing physical dimensions due to natural qualities of the material? Is it a widespread issue? I read mixed opinions on internet. Still thinking about buying my 1st Make Up Ltd. resin model.
I have not heard of resin being affected years later. BBR has been using the material over 10 yrs and they seem to hold up pretty well. Time will tell for the composite from AutoArt as that product line is still relatively new.
It all depends on your own preference and actually understanding the reasons why you collect. For example, I am a designer and love car design- that is why I collect only metal diecast as opposed to sealed resin (or ABS). Sealed resin captures STYLING of a car, i.e. it's outward appearance, but it does not capture car DESIGN. There is much more to design than mere styling: - design is a response to objective factors beyond mere self-expression. For example, looking at the door opening outlines - their logic can be demonstrated only by opening diecast models, as for example with the recent Ferrari 275GTB by CMC that shows why a forward edge in doors has to go so much forward than say in 250GTO- because it is a geometric issue being solved in 275GTB that has much wider "shoulders" running the length of the car, while the door itself should be still reachable from inside when open which means it has to also "dip" into the body while being opened. This is all design and it is all lost in a sealed resin model. Its also nice to actually see the REASONS for protruding bulges and air scoops in engine covers by lifting it and seeing the corresponding carburetors and turbo fans underneath, etc. Without seeing these elements that in large part shape the "skin" ( what designers call "packaging" of the car), the communication of design "intent" and design logic are all diminished, and what remains is mere stupid styling... Not to mention that I personally find sealed resin primarily visual while metal diecast is much more tactile, which I prefer. To each their own, of course! PS. I personally do not like opening ABS, and like only metal (zamac) diecast- again, for its tactility, weight, etc. Paint rush is common for zamac, of course, but then it is just an expression of entropy, a patina of sorts and observing it on "nobler" materials than shxxty plastic, does not disturb me one bit, at least not nearly as much as lifting a toylike super-lightweight flimsy-feeling ABS plastic kids toy by Autoart. Cheers!
It still happen on BBR/MR model. Usually happen on windows and glue(side mirror or metal clip on race car hood fell off) after 2~4 years. Even I never open the case and never turn off air con. And never use high power led/lighting on them
Hi! Maisto doesn't use Autoart molds, at all, there are just very few cases where you can find similar molds and even there mold is not exactly the same. If you want support that claim you could point out 10 or so molds that are then same between Autoart and Maisto.
Good discussion, however, the paint issue with these composite models will be paint fading in time. I already saw that on an Orange Jaguar F-Type. I don't think these models will maintain their color that well over time, but time will tell.
8:35 - this is not true Autoart Composite series do not uses metal parts "as ballast" - the metal part is an structural element in the middle of the modelcar that hold everything together Revell used big chunky ballast parts in they plastic 1/18 models ( Artega GT and VW Beetle cabrio) and even Schuco on theyr METAL models ( 1970something Porsche 911 Targa) - both examples (Revell and Schuco) are NOT STRUCTURAL ELEMENTS, just ballast parts
There is a video and a pick in this video (1st 3 minutes) with a picture of the ballast. There is also an article from AA, if you go to their website, that also references this. The "ballast is for both structure and weight. Thank you for the feedback!
7:30 - this is not true ABS plastic is injection molded, resin is poured into molds ( + you need no "baking in the oven" for resin parts) yes, some resin modelcars are made in low numbers, but when you see what is BBR doing - some limits of 10 or 49 pieces, BUT in 20 color variants + sometimes fantasy colors ( like the BBR Ferrari 288 GTO line) - so when you do more hundrets of these- changing only the colors, you make profit on the other side the rubber molds for the resin parts have a short livespan ( die-cast molds hold up 5k-10k runs easily), but you can make new anytime for much less money as the used for zamac...
There is a video on YT from BBR that shows the process they use to create their molds. BBR's strategy is genius; limiting the same model in specific colors. So yes, they produced a lot of 288 GTO's, but there are only 5 GTO's in "lime green". 🙂 I really appreciate the comments and feedback.
5:50 - this statement is simply NOT TRUE which Maisto and Autoart modelcar look "almost identical" ? REALY ? you saw the horrible Maisto details on theyr budget models ? when you would took apart an Autoart your gotta see there is no construction detail simmilar to any Bburago/Maisto model on the Bburago Aventador is NOT EVEN THE SCALE RIGHT ( kinda 1:19), it is smaller that it should have be... they are some rumors of course that Autoart shared som of theyr molds...like the very good Welly Diablo SV or Welly Miura SV, two very god looking budget modelcars.....but when you see the details or how the models are engineered ( the Welly Miura metal body has no opening engine lid ( so different die-cast part construction) and it has some maisto-looking suspension ( different platic parts also)
man if you take a screwdriver and take some models apart, or at least google some pictures of the construction of Autoart models...half of your video are statements that are simply not true
A couple comments for this one:
1. Although Aa does seem to sell/rent out moulds nowadays, it's hard to believe that Maisto would use the Aa moulding for Aventador. I'd love to see the comparison.
2. Paint rash is, as far as I know, caused by the expulsion of gasses from the base material. The 'rash' is tiny bubbles of air pushing the paint surface up. I'm no expert in ABS plastic (I guess that's what they use for shells nowadays), but the real car bumpers made of it don't seem to have dermatological problems, so that issue should be off the table ;) It can deteriorate in other ways, especially when exposed to elements. As with zamak before, not all plastics are equal, so it's still a gamble.
3. I personally don't care for the limited quantity and I don't think this is a collector's trait of character. Collectors, in a very broad definition, like to gather stuff, that's it. There are people out there collecting mass produced mundane object, because they have this compulsion. Limited availability is a nod towards those who have another compulsion - to differentiate themselves, a need to prove to themselves and everyone else they are, in fact, different, special, whatever gets you going.
I, for example, collect scale models because I'm an aesthete who happens to like cars and sculpture. That's what they essentially are (especially resin) - a small sculpture. I don't care for the exclusivity even one bit. If anything, it is a source of anxiety for me, because once you learn that what you once bought has become valuable, you can't 'unlearn' it and it makes me question if I'm being unreasonable exposing these valuable ones instead of keeping them in their styrofoam shells, in a dark place, with controlled humidity and stable temperature 😆 Which, when you think of it, is beyond bizarre. I know that, as luxury items that serve no purpose, limited quantity is a way of luring people into 'investing' in them and an incentive to make a purchase sooner than later, but I'd much rather live in the world of unlimited releases for cheap.
As always Piotr, great insight and feedback!
A very interesting perspective. I am a designer and love car design- that is why I collect only metal diecast as opposed to sealed resin. Sealed resin captures STYLING of a car fine, i.e. it's outward appearance. But there is much more to design than mere styling: - design itself is a responce to objective factors as it is a stylist self-expression. For example, looking at the door opening outlines - their logic can be demonstrated only by opening diecast models, as for example with the recent Ferrari 275GTB by CMC that shows why a forward edge of doors has to go so much forward than say in 250GTO- because it is a geometric issue being solved as 275GTB has much wider "shoulders" running the length of the car, while the door itself should be still reachable from inside when open which means it has to also "dip" into the body when being opened. This is all design and it is all lost in a sealed resin model. Its also nice to see the protruding bulges or air scoops in engine covers correspond to carburetors or turbo fans underneath, etc. Without seeing these elements that in part shape the "skin" (i.e. what designers call "packaging" of the car), the communication of design "intent" ND logic is diminished, and what remains is mere stupid styling...
Not to mention that to my mind sealed resin is primarily visual while metal diecast is much more tactile, which I prefer. Anyway, to each their own, of course! PS. I personally do not like AA opening ABS, and like only metal (zamac) diecast- again, for its tactility, weight, etc. Paint rush is common, of course, but then it is an expression of entropy, a patina of sorts abd does not bug me nearly as much as lifting a toylike super-lightweight and flimsy-feeling ABS by Autoart. Cheers!
@@yoryteperman429 That's a very interesting perspective I have never thought of (possibly because I'm not a designer ;)), but it makes a lot of sense, thank you for sharing that. I would argue a bit with the notion that 'what remains is mere stupid styling' as this stupid styling is still a result of the same forces at play, only that you can't discover them which takes away from the overall experience... And having one terribly rashed model it's extremely hard to convince myself that I'm ok with it being an expression of entropy, especially with today's prices :D Cheers!
on your point about the flimsy feeling opening parts, there is a positive that feels like a byproduct of the lighter material and thats the wing doors on models that have them staying open much better due to their lighter weight. when you have a diecast model with wing doors it always makes you flinch when it slips and slams shut since its metal so i guess thats definitely a give and take feature right there!
I thought that I wouldn't like the AutoArt composite models until I got a couple. I got the McLaren Senna, P1 and 720S, as well as a Koenigsegg Agera, and I was more than satisfied. The shutlines, the paint and the details are quite good. I feel that it is a positive that the doors are light since the supercar funky opening doors stay open better.
They are very good models. I do think there is room for both diecast metal and ABS. The most important thing for me is the paint and the overall details.
I would like to see a video about displaying the model cars. Which cases are recommended? How to properly mount a mode.
What about resin/composite being affected by parts changing physical dimensions due to natural qualities of the material? Is it a widespread issue? I read mixed opinions on internet. Still thinking about buying my 1st Make Up Ltd. resin model.
I have not heard of resin being affected years later. BBR has been using the material over 10 yrs and they seem to hold up pretty well. Time will tell for the composite from AutoArt as that product line is still relatively new.
@@diecastden Thank you for sharing your opinion. Really appreciate.
It all depends on your own preference and actually understanding the reasons why you collect. For example, I am a designer and love car design- that is why I collect only metal diecast as opposed to sealed resin (or ABS). Sealed resin captures STYLING of a car, i.e. it's outward appearance, but it does not capture car DESIGN. There is much more to design than mere styling: - design is a response to objective factors beyond mere self-expression. For example, looking at the door opening outlines - their logic can be demonstrated only by opening diecast models, as for example with the recent Ferrari 275GTB by CMC that shows why a forward edge in doors has to go so much forward than say in 250GTO- because it is a geometric issue being solved in 275GTB that has much wider "shoulders" running the length of the car, while the door itself should be still reachable from inside when open which means it has to also "dip" into the body while being opened. This is all design and it is all lost in a sealed resin model. Its also nice to actually see the REASONS for protruding bulges and air scoops in engine covers by lifting it and seeing the corresponding carburetors and turbo fans underneath, etc. Without seeing these elements that in large part shape the "skin" ( what designers call "packaging" of the car), the communication of design "intent" and design logic are all diminished, and what remains is mere stupid styling...
Not to mention that I personally find sealed resin primarily visual while metal diecast is much more tactile, which I prefer. To each their own, of course! PS. I personally do not like opening ABS, and like only metal (zamac) diecast- again, for its tactility, weight, etc. Paint rush is common for zamac, of course, but then it is just an expression of entropy, a patina of sorts and observing it on "nobler" materials than shxxty plastic, does not disturb me one bit, at least not nearly as much as lifting a toylike super-lightweight flimsy-feeling ABS plastic kids toy by Autoart. Cheers!
It still happen on BBR/MR model. Usually happen on windows and glue(side mirror or metal clip on race car hood fell off) after 2~4 years.
Even I never open the case and never turn off air con. And never use high power led/lighting on them
The composite material seems to be a good solution to the paint rash problem that die cast models has.
Agreed!
Hi! Maisto doesn't use Autoart molds, at all, there are just very few cases where you can find similar molds and even there mold is not exactly the same.
If you want support that claim you could point out 10 or so molds that are then same between Autoart and Maisto.
Good discussion, however, the paint issue with these composite models will be paint fading in time. I already saw that on an Orange Jaguar F-Type. I don't think these models will maintain their color that well over time, but time will tell.
Great vid!
8:35 - this is not true
Autoart Composite series do not uses metal parts "as ballast" - the metal part is an structural element in the middle of the modelcar that hold everything together
Revell used big chunky ballast parts in they plastic 1/18 models ( Artega GT and VW Beetle cabrio) and even Schuco on theyr METAL models ( 1970something Porsche 911 Targa) - both examples (Revell and Schuco) are NOT STRUCTURAL ELEMENTS, just ballast parts
There is a video and a pick in this video (1st 3 minutes) with a picture of the ballast. There is also an article from AA, if you go to their website, that also references this. The "ballast is for both structure and weight. Thank you for the feedback!
7:30 - this is not true
ABS plastic is injection molded, resin is poured into molds ( + you need no "baking in the oven" for resin parts)
yes, some resin modelcars are made in low numbers, but when you see what is BBR doing - some limits of 10 or 49 pieces, BUT in 20 color variants + sometimes fantasy colors ( like the BBR Ferrari 288 GTO line) - so when you do more hundrets of these- changing only the colors, you make profit
on the other side the rubber molds for the resin parts have a short livespan ( die-cast molds hold up 5k-10k runs easily), but you can make new anytime for much less money as the used for zamac...
There is a video on YT from BBR that shows the process they use to create their molds. BBR's strategy is genius; limiting the same model in specific colors. So yes, they produced a lot of 288 GTO's, but there are only 5 GTO's in "lime green". 🙂 I really appreciate the comments and feedback.
5:50 - this statement is simply NOT TRUE
which Maisto and Autoart modelcar look "almost identical" ? REALY ? you saw the horrible Maisto details on theyr budget models ?
when you would took apart an Autoart your gotta see there is no construction detail simmilar to any Bburago/Maisto model
on the Bburago Aventador is NOT EVEN THE SCALE RIGHT ( kinda 1:19), it is smaller that it should have be...
they are some rumors of course that Autoart shared som of theyr molds...like the very good Welly Diablo SV or Welly Miura SV, two very god looking budget modelcars.....but when you see the details or how the models are engineered ( the Welly Miura metal body has no opening engine lid ( so different die-cast part construction) and it has some maisto-looking suspension ( different platic parts also)
man if you take a screwdriver and take some models apart, or at least google some pictures of the construction of Autoart models...half of your video are statements that are simply not true