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  • Опубліковано 17 кві 2024
  • Paul "Hembo" Hembekides joins Mike Greenberg on #Greeny as they discuss whether Jalen Brunson deserves more consideration for the 2024 NBA MVP award after leading the New York Knicks to the second seed in the Eastern Conference.
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  • @luiskushain7516
    @luiskushain7516 12 днів тому +15

    Brunson my favorite current NBA player by far

  • @OGteamm2246
    @OGteamm2246 13 днів тому +70

    How tf Brunson not allnba 1st team 🙄

    • @EverythingHoops7705
      @EverythingHoops7705 13 днів тому +4

      Shai luka tatum giannis jokic. Not even a question

    • @NarutoManiac300
      @NarutoManiac300 13 днів тому +29

      ​@@EverythingHoops7705He easily deserves it more than Tatum.

    • @ThundurusT
      @ThundurusT 12 днів тому

      Luka and SGA exist.

    • @OGteamm2246
      @OGteamm2246 12 днів тому +9

      @EverythingHoops7705 only argument for Tatum is being 1st seed with 64 wins with basically 4 Allstars next to him. Tatum been pampered all his career I swear lol smh.

    • @09lowkey
      @09lowkey 12 днів тому +8

      @@OGteamm2246 Tatum oozes a sickening amount of entitlement. It's hard for me to watch him play.

  • @philb.1502
    @philb.1502 13 днів тому +21

    Brunson should definitely get some MVP votes and consideration. I was hoping Team USA would have added him to the Olympic team as a reward.

    • @NK-oi2ni
      @NK-oi2ni 12 днів тому +1

      Would have liked Brunson instead of Hali or Jrue

  • @korenbarr1608
    @korenbarr1608 13 днів тому +17

    That "art" and "science" explanation was on-point! 👍🏾

  • @carmine_
    @carmine_ 13 днів тому +11

    And did the Greek freak really have a better year than Brunson??? If u watch Brunson play u will get it.. dude makes timely basket and timely clutch plays time after time… i mean i doubt his numbers are much better then brunsons but either way jalen is more VALUABLE

  • @Gallo89
    @Gallo89 13 днів тому +26

    Brunson is the best point guard in the league and has done the most for his team all year

    • @bns434
      @bns434 13 днів тому +3

      He hasn’t done more than Luka , SGA at all.

    • @Gallo89
      @Gallo89 12 днів тому +7

      @@bns434 Brunson has done more with less

    • @ahhhnth
      @ahhhnth 12 днів тому

      @@Gallo89SGA hasn’t the youngest team. He’s done more that Brunson by far

    • @mattfowler3760
      @mattfowler3760 12 днів тому

      @@Gallo89being more valued to your team doesn’t make you the best. It just means you are most responsible for your teams success. SGA and Luka are better….and honestly Maxey and Sixers can easily come back from
      NY up 2-0. Brunson is great, but not the best point guard in the league.

    • @Bashhhhh
      @Bashhhhh 12 днів тому +2

      2nd best guard in the entire league behind Luka

  • @dasninjastix
    @dasninjastix 13 днів тому +9

    As a Knicks fan I have Brunson 3rd behind SGA and Jokic. It's just too easy to take what Jokic does for granted but imo he was surpassed by SGA's season and where he's take the Thunder and how that team has responded to his leadership. Brunson's second half of this season was extraordinary and to put the Knicks in the position he did with all the injuries they had shouldn't be discounted. I just think what SGA has done this season should take the award.

    • @jensenat
      @jensenat 13 днів тому

      Not sure if you forgot his former teammate, but there is no way Brunson is better than Luka. So at best he is 4th.

    • @dasninjastix
      @dasninjastix 12 днів тому

      @@jensenat That's not what MVP is, if we're going by "best player", it'd be Embiid, Luka, Jokic for me but Embiid was hurt half the season. MVP is which individual had the biggest impact on the season and that should equate to team success. So no I didn't forget Luka, he's a more talented player than Brunson without question, but Bruson managed to land the Knicks in the second seed in a very competitive Eastern Conference while his team was depleted by injury. The entire starting front court for the Knicks, Mitchell, Randall, and OG have missed a huge chunk of the season. Luka's incredible play doesn't necessarily translate to his team's success though he has adjusted to playing with Irving and their trade deadline acquisitions in last month or so of the regular season. Still, Brunson has done more, has contributed more to his team's success and that success has been greater in NY than in Dallas -> thus Brunson is 3rd.

    • @kage5439
      @kage5439 12 днів тому

      Knicks were decimated with injuries and Brunson carried them while SGA had a full squad.

    • @jensenat
      @jensenat 12 днів тому

      @@dasninjastix I get everything you said. I still have Luka over Brunson, not only in talent, but in MVP as well. Luka and Brunson teams have identical records. The West is more competitive than the East. So I am not sure why you're considering the Knicks success > the Mavs success. What Brunson did this season is probably the greatest story in the league this year. We now have an extra and unexpected superstar in the league. He was amazing especially the last month. He should be 1st All NBA it is BS that most people have him as 2nd All-NBA, but in MVP I still think he is 4th.

    • @MrTreyshawn22
      @MrTreyshawn22 12 днів тому

      @@jensenat I can’t give you that you can’t tell me he’s better than Brunson while playing next to kyrie

  • @LazyGrilling52
    @LazyGrilling52 13 днів тому +13

    Greeny was preaching facts!!

  • @scaldon2
    @scaldon2 13 днів тому +85

    Bruson is the best point guard in nba. Just look how far he brought knicks. Last 5 games of season he dropped 40 each game . He has to be MVP

    • @abhinavaman08
      @abhinavaman08 13 днів тому +14

      If thats your argument, then it should be Luka,

    • @ianstewart9255
      @ianstewart9255 13 днів тому +7

      Not as good as Luka but he’s top 5 arguably top 3

    • @mancrab1899
      @mancrab1899 13 днів тому +2

      That’s hilarious. He still isn’t above Luka no matter how hard Knick fans scream.

    • @dimitrijetucovic1307
      @dimitrijetucovic1307 13 днів тому +2

      Lol Luka, Shai, Curry?

    • @scaldon2
      @scaldon2 13 днів тому +8

      @@abhinavaman08 last I checked Luka has kyrie an all star . Brunson doesnt have any all star on knicks snd he was able to get knicks to 2nd seed . Brunson is the better of the two.

  • @MrDayday4641
    @MrDayday4641 12 днів тому +3

    I've been hearing this argument around the MVP for as long as I can remember and I'm old. Unless someone comes along and clarifies the criteria that people are supposed to vote by, there will always be people that vote based on value to their team, and others will vote on who is the best (some will use a combination of). That's fine.

  • @skillzv
    @skillzv 12 днів тому +2

    Brunson should be in the MVP vote because he has done more with wayyyyyyy less💯

  • @IdiaOgala
    @IdiaOgala 13 днів тому +17

    Thank you Greeny

  • @Mr.Springer
    @Mr.Springer 12 днів тому +1

    Big body Brunson is the MVP. He’s just not the flashiest name . it doesn’t fit the media’s narrative, but the Knicks being a good competitive well coach team is not in the narrative something that the media doesn’t wanna admit, everyone get uses to this the greatest city in the world has a great Basketball Team - New York Knicks
    They need to give Knicks management their flowers. Let’s go Knicks!!!

  • @arthursutton2492
    @arthursutton2492 13 днів тому +7

    jalen williams 8# OKC I know i'm the only one that thinks this but He got next He reminds me of a young Kawhi And thanks Greeny For defending Burnson knicks in 5 💪🏽💪🏽

    • @bns434
      @bns434 13 днів тому +1

      Bro is very nice .

  • @kjennings83
    @kjennings83 13 днів тому +6

    Who’s this kid talking to Greeny??? The arrogance!! doesn’t even look like he watch sports lol

    • @Ade683
      @Ade683 13 днів тому +3

      He’s part of the ESPN staff and works on Greenys radio show. But yeah arrrogant AF

  • @kohta20
    @kohta20 13 днів тому +12

    HE IS 4th @ MOST!
    JOKIC
    LUKA
    SGA
    BRUNSON
    GIANNIS
    TATUM

    • @Blue-yy1ro
      @Blue-yy1ro 13 днів тому +5

      I like your list minus Tatum

    • @SheldonJohnson-xr4mt
      @SheldonJohnson-xr4mt 13 днів тому

      ​@@Blue-yy1roagreed

    • @kohta20
      @kohta20 13 днів тому +1

      He is 6th... so he wouldnt make the ballot since its top 5. I think he deserves to be mentioned since the Cs are by far the best team in the NBA during the regular season.@@Blue-yy1ro

  • @paralosrumberos0307
    @paralosrumberos0307 12 днів тому

    He's definitely really valuable to Knicks. But there have been games, where other players like Divo or Hart or McBride step up. OG's defense was another reason why we got to the second seed. 20-4 with OG in the line-up.

  • @Barak144
    @Barak144 12 днів тому

    All NBA 1st team is based on one player per position. It’s positional
    Based on that Brunson belongs on all NBA second team. Shai was more valuable to his team and lead his team further while also giving up great stats.
    That alone makes Brunson all NBA 2nd team
    But doesn’t stop him from being put in the top 5 in MVP votes. Because MVP voting isn’t based on position.
    It’s really not that hard to comprehend if you explain it correctly.

  • @ewingchiu5518
    @ewingchiu5518 12 днів тому

    “Outstanding” means individual production regardless of winning. “valuable” means team success driven by your production. You can have a 75pt triple double and lose. By losing, your “value” to the team is negated, but you were “outstanding”

  • @Bonsai-Sage
    @Bonsai-Sage 12 днів тому

    Scoring title has it's own reward. There's a trophy for it and everything.
    Your seed in the playoffs and home court advantage is your reward for your record.
    These things usually get in the way of finding the true MVP. Let's just say the top two candidates have the same record and average the same amount of points. Then how would you choose? The solution is to ask this question.
    (Where would that team be without him?). This season, that answer would make Brunson the clear front runner for MVP. It's as simple as that. Not too mention that he makes his players better. That's also MVP traits. Turning guys nobody knows into household names is what Brunson is doing. Taytum has Brown
    Joker has a starting 5 of perennial all-star level guys. SGA has Chet, the guy they said is better than Wemby and the future of the league.
    Brunson has Josh Hart and Donte Divincenzo and they've elevated their games to award winning levels.
    Brunson is The MVP

  • @LevaMedical
    @LevaMedical 12 днів тому +2

    Completely agree with Greeny

  • @lieutenantyale
    @lieutenantyale 12 днів тому

    Mike you have a point. The effect Jalen Brunson has can be measured. They can look at impact based on how other players produce as a result of playing with Brunson.

  • @mauricecorchado4300
    @mauricecorchado4300 12 днів тому

    It’s simple, without Brunson the Knicks at best are a 9-10 seed in the East. Brunson is the MAIN reason why they are the second best team in the East. He literally carried the team when they were hit with injuries.

  • @carmine_
    @carmine_ 13 днів тому +1

    Brunson is the best PG in the WHOLE nba and just one of the best players in general.. 1 is numbers are ELITE but more importantly jalen Brunson is the definition of MVP … i mean change the award if its not most valuable.. jalen Brunson is also doing it in the biggest media market… the most pressure and just one of the biggest teams… some of the others on this list they aint even on teams or markets close to Brunson

  • @christianmcmahon1029
    @christianmcmahon1029 9 днів тому

    Sometimes the most valuable player is the best player so I see what he’s saying

  • @chaoticstylez
    @chaoticstylez 12 днів тому +1

    It’s a farse & a popularity contest where the bobble heads get to gush over their favorite stars. JB carries a team to 2nd place that without him would probably not make the playoffs at all. If it were any other star he’d be considered 1st team all NBA.

    • @arigatogyro260
      @arigatogyro260 12 днів тому

      Blud.. they're the 2nd seed IN THE EAST. I just want you to realize that.. they literally ended with the same record as the mavs(Despite them benching luka for the final two games so they could loose) If the mavs played In the east they'd literally win 60 games.
      Brunson Is not even on the same realm as Luka.

  • @avguylyfe5837
    @avguylyfe5837 12 днів тому

    The fact that some analysis call tre young a superstar is all I need to know. Just because these are professional doesn't mean they know what there talking about.

  • @FlegmaPro
    @FlegmaPro 12 днів тому +1

    by this logic lonzo ball is the most valuable player in the nba as his team plummeted in rank after his injury

  • @martinalbert29
    @martinalbert29 11 днів тому

    Brunson had a great year. Best player on the 2nd best team in the East. But Tatum is best player on best team so he should get the votes but he won’t coz he does not deserve to be mvp in eyes of voters which is fine and acceptable but why then would Brunson be more qualified to be mvp?

  • @nikkrelj471
    @nikkrelj471 12 днів тому

    Like Luka didnt have injuries to his team. Literally the 3rd most injured team and ahead of NY. 6 of his guys missed 20+ games and some even 30+. Yall literally leave out things on purpose to add to your argument. So just stop

  • @rah0210
    @rah0210 12 днів тому

    Idk who the other guy is but his argument is crazy. The year Iverson won his mvp he only averaged 2 more ppg and 1 apg than shaq while shaq was more efficient, had 9 more rpg, and lead the league in win shares. But shaq had kobe and AI had no one else offensively so of course he was the more valuable player to his team. Same idea now. Brunson got the knicks to the #2 seed. Take him away they're hoping to move up in the lottery.

  • @testimonyofthelamb583
    @testimonyofthelamb583 12 днів тому +1

    Only players and coaches should get a vote smh

  • @raymondbentley2411
    @raymondbentley2411 12 днів тому

    Sorry but Dawson was valuable to the league because it brought out the best pitching from competitive teams and kept his team (the cubs) a good ticket both at home and on the road.

  • @terrencebolton6881
    @terrencebolton6881 12 днів тому

    It’s best player to watch compared to a player that if a team loses them that their chances to win are lowered

  • @e..3963
    @e..3963 13 днів тому

    You can't take out context when you look at numbers. Context matters. You cannot cut corners in sports by solely relying on numbers.

  • @ELEXANDERTHEGREAT
    @ELEXANDERTHEGREAT 12 днів тому

    Annunoby really should be mvp he got the team winning and playing D

  • @beans2605
    @beans2605 11 днів тому

    Great use if the term “Nerd”

  • @user-hu2ed8oe8m
    @user-hu2ed8oe8m 11 днів тому

    Brunson at minimum should be in the top 5.

  • @SPACEKNOCKERZ76
    @SPACEKNOCKERZ76 13 днів тому

    By the public? It’s the voters who count. If he gets a few votes then he’s being considered lol do we have to tallies on hand?

  • @tariqs4357
    @tariqs4357 12 днів тому

    NUMBERS CAN NOT CALCULATE CONTEXT.

  • @Michael_Page
    @Michael_Page 12 днів тому

    Huge Knicks fan, but if Luka and SGA are guards, of course Brunson does not make first team all NBA. MVP consideration is cool, but if Brunson actually wins the MVP, the award doesn't mean anything. Jokic, SGA, and even Luka deserve the MVP more than Brunson. You could even make a case for Tatum based on past awards. The fact that Brunson isn't on Team USA is crazy to me, though.

    • @sebastiang.3730
      @sebastiang.3730 12 днів тому

      All NBA teams are positionless now so 5 guards can technically make 1st team

    • @chaoticstylez
      @chaoticstylez 12 днів тому

      No one is arguing he should get it people are arguing over the lack of consideration.

    • @Michael_Page
      @Michael_Page 12 днів тому

      @@chaoticstylez I understand. However: 1. He'll probably be top 3-4 in voting. 2. He has no chance to win it.

    • @Michael_Page
      @Michael_Page 12 днів тому

      @@sebastiang.3730 Then Jokic, Tatum, Luka, SGA, and Brunson will be All NBA first team..

  • @offthahook6235
    @offthahook6235 12 днів тому +4

    Brunson could avg 40 points a game, and he still wouldn't get the mvp. Because to a lot of ppl he doesn't look like a mvp. Sad.

    • @gospaironija2762
      @gospaironija2762 12 днів тому +1

      But dude average like 28-27 ,luka blows him out in every statistic so does jokic but hey luka average 34/9/9 and will still not get mvp wining 50 games with 2 most injured team.

  • @user-vv6ot8dn8h
    @user-vv6ot8dn8h 13 днів тому

    For all the people saying luka wiithout brunson he hasn’t made it to the 2nd round

  • @dojo1371
    @dojo1371 13 днів тому

    ESPN is going down the drain. Having this ignorant kid arguing with Greeny about the definition of MVP while the fired great minds like Max Kellerman and Will Cane.

  • @chrisstfort7
    @chrisstfort7 12 днів тому

    Preach Greeny

  • @cochisechicago
    @cochisechicago 12 днів тому

    Jalen Brunson is the MVP no discussion needed. The Knicks are trash and they don’t have any players close to being all stars.

  • @babywatt1964
    @babywatt1964 12 днів тому

    OKC got Williams #8 I call him chocolate Melo.

  • @johnnieriot13
    @johnnieriot13 12 днів тому

    Greeny you’re a nerd as well. Come on guy. Despite that I agree with him on this MVP thing

  • @tberry2060
    @tberry2060 13 днів тому

    People just don't want to admit that the MVP is actually the Best Offensive Player in the league award.

    • @galiojusticejustice3191
      @galiojusticejustice3191 12 днів тому +1

      If that were the case Luka would be running away with it easily

    • @tberry2060
      @tberry2060 12 днів тому

      @@galiojusticejustice3191 OK, so just for you, let me also add that they consider team success as well as best offense

  • @deenyce2216
    @deenyce2216 11 днів тому

    Did Greeny just cooked dude?!

  • @bluechox
    @bluechox 12 днів тому +1

    This nerd😂😂😂 these millennials redefining the award

  • @Jnoel608
    @Jnoel608 13 днів тому +1

    1. Jokic
    2. SGA
    3. Luka
    4. Brunson
    If you care about voter fatigue
    1. SGA
    2. Jokic
    3. Luka
    4. Brunson

  • @babywatt1964
    @babywatt1964 12 днів тому

    It's all about the eye test!

  • @SinkMMA
    @SinkMMA 12 днів тому +1

    3:10 can someone let my man on the bottom right know that it's 2024?

  • @millercmdn
    @millercmdn 13 днів тому

    Wait is dude wearing a mask?! 😂😂😂

  • @rg442
    @rg442 12 днів тому

    Guy on right is clueless.

  • @juanayala4519
    @juanayala4519 13 днів тому +1

    Brunson MVP…period, stop hating

  • @dh5363
    @dh5363 13 днів тому

    It's a "Most Valuable" award, not a "Most Valuable to His Team" award

    • @dsmity8
      @dsmity8 13 днів тому +5

      How is that literally not the same thing? Wouldn’t being most valuable make you the most valuable to your team?

    • @jensenat
      @jensenat 13 днів тому +4

      Most valuable to what then? Did you really think this through before commenting?

    • @dh5363
      @dh5363 13 днів тому

      @@dsmity8 Obviously an MVP would be the most valuable in his own team. What I'm saying is "Most Valuable" should be compared between each of the players in contention, not how valuable one player is to his team compared to another player to his team.

    • @dh5363
      @dh5363 13 днів тому

      @@jensenat read my reply to the other guy if you're curious

  • @tombystander
    @tombystander 13 днів тому +1

    Greeny u lost all nba credibility with ur bs lakers play in take

    • @cleanfresh6718
      @cleanfresh6718 13 днів тому

      Nobody gives af about the lakers anyway

  • @EAZYDOESIT
    @EAZYDOESIT 13 днів тому

    ANYTHONY EDWARDS IS THE REAL MVP 💯

  • @dimitrijetucovic1307
    @dimitrijetucovic1307 13 днів тому

    Ain't no one thinking Brunson's the MVP except delusional New York dudes. Stop it.

    • @cleanfresh6718
      @cleanfresh6718 13 днів тому +4

      You don’t know ball clearly so what you say is meaningless

    • @jensenat
      @jensenat 13 днів тому +1

      @@cleanfresh6718 His take is understandable, he, like most clueless NBA fans, hasn't watch the Knicks play this year. All they think is "Knicks LOL". They have no idea who Brunson is. It is hard for them to believe/accept that a player no one expected or predicted to be this good has done what Brunson has done this year. To make matters worse, a player in a Knicks uniform all of the sudden is in the conversations for a top 5 best player in the league and their heads are exploding.