Well he was a severed hand, so only a part of the lich was in there, which maybe limited it's powers. Or maybe he just didn't feel like changing. I mean, his shadow changed, so it probably can, but just did it to intimidate finn
My theory has always been that farm world Jake wasn't our Jake. I always thought he was Jermaine. Jermaine is the only actual offspring of both his parents. He is the most normal one. But being Fin's dog, Fin would name him Jake. I mean no one really looked like the characters from the L.O.O. that we know. So its possible that the alien never came and that Jake was never actually born in farm world.
Charles McBrian I know. It's like elk says. It's possible the shapeshifting ability comes from the Lytch. Like once he takes over farmworld Jake's body.
i also had this though, because jake was born from jermaines head, so it ACTUALLY can´t be possible to be THAT jake.. BUT there are 3 things that can make it happen: 1 : some weird fate riddle that we all don`t get, 2: alien inpregnanted allredy jermain and THATS ACTUALLY jake but he has no power because he is in his child form and did not mutated his alien genes with the mushroom war radioactivitie that has given the dogs inteligence etc. so it could not devolp well 3: its jermain / his son (he could just make more puppies in this dimension so it is a kind of a new *jake* ) and finn just has given him the name jake and the lich just shiftet his body from his own powers
Yeah, and the whites of their eyes... It's weird how metadata like the character's facial design or the number of fingers/toes they have sometimes influences the canon in this show. For Example, in one of the Graybles episodes, Graybles says that people haven't had five fingers for a long time, but in the Evergreen episode, Evergreen can be seen with five, four, and sometimes three fingers, depending on the shot. The number of fingers he has doesn't actually change in-universe, it's about the artist's different renderings of him, but it's weird how the story cleverly references quirks in the artstyle.
@@cormacb2326 For the same reason Ice Finn didn't grow any facial hair (and his insanity was very simple, it didn't point to anything we know about the source of insanity) even though Evergreen's Crown completely overtook him.
And I think that Fin and Jake will always be companions no matter how or who they are (Think of shoko and her tiger or shermy and beth) but that Jake’s soul is actually in bar bar (the mule).
i just wanted to say that it is probably a power the lich has over his vessel to change there appearance,if you remember what he did to princess bubblegum when he possessed her back in season 2 she became a giant monster
actually it was stimulation of the Lich using PB’s body as a hostess to infect and control. you have quite understand that the Lich’s is only parasite and infects his hosts and hostesses as potential vessel. which means he can be shapeshifter WHILE it depends on how the victim is built in terms of genetics and body type.
Why can't farm world Jake just be a normal dog? The Lich's spirit is old and powerful, there's no reason not to believe that all the physiological changes farm world Jake under went, while being possessed by the Litch, weren't just a result of the Litchs powers
Agreed. Plus the odds that the alien parent of Jake found the equivalent of Joshua on farm world and also bit him seem so improbable. It's not like he has a radar that detects suitable hosts, he went around sniffing people and biting them. And who is to say now that Joshua wasn't a talking dog that he would even be a suitable host anymore. I land firmly on the camp that Jake was just a regular dog and the Lich was using its own powers to change the hosts body.
@@SXJAYSX it's as improbable as finn being the main character in both universes What are the chances that finn has to stop himself from being evil when there is no outside force making it so it's our finn vs farmworld finn and not just evil random farmworld guy
It's definitely not a biological thing for Farmworld Jake. Assuming his parents were normal dogs, they wouldn't have gone out on a mission looking for the shapeshifter and the shapeshifter wouldn't really have a motive to bite one of them.
I thought that the alien creature, being from another universe, could simply had not visited farmworld dimension. Because the alien has visited Ooo doesn't mean that it also visited farmworld, after all if it came from another univers, shouldn't it be able to choose which univers to travel to?
I think it's mutation. When Jake crashed into the crater after mushroom bomb exploded, he began to grow and his head changed into Lich' skull. From then on, Jake the Lich hade the shape-shifter power. In Crosover, when heroes release Jake from the Lich influence, it returns to normal shape.
I love the magic of Adventure Time. It mostly doesn't make sense, it's whimsical and powerful and kind of everywhere. You're hard pressed to find a character not touched by magic in some way and because of this, magic is sort of Ooh. I think it's cool that everyone kinda just accepts that Ooh and to a greater extent the world is just plain magical and it does whatever it wants (I mention the world because the huge crater in the earth would definitely have filled itself in through usual gravity)
You should read the Enchiridion/Marcie's Scrap Book as it explains a lot of lore in AT, like how Magic and the multiverse works, what the impact of the mushroom bomb had on the world and multiverse and what happened to Simon and Marcy during the initial Apocalypse up until stakes.
Don't over-think about it... I think in this universe, he really is just a regular dog... but the liches can use his powers to manipulate his body. Farmworld Jake isn't the same Jake, so he could have been born normally.
@Gadget Soviet no, most people have the capacity for magic, without madness and sadness it is simply impossible to use magic even if you have it, but without actually possessing magic or learning to use it, madness and sadness are just that. Think of it like a Triforce, you need all three pieces to unlock its full potential.
@@- and - Goodbye Dmitry says - Hellowouldn't you need madness and sadness to make potions? also, the madness and sadness aren't always very pronounced. One must only look at wizard city for evidence.
I believe the answer to this question lies in sound design. I just rewatched crossover and when the Lich went from it's Jake form to the buff lich form it made the stereotypical sound of Jake stretching ( the part where you regenerate his hand doesn't have stretchy sounds but it does have a gooey flesh sound so I think that's just standard Lich regeneration) So there 100% the lich has jake abilities So there for farm word jake is related to Warren ampersant
The Farmworld Lich shares current memories with the main timeline Lich, knowing Jake can shapeshift surely he would've given Farmworld Jake that power so as to fight back
This is just speculation, but maybe Farmworld Jake (possibly) getting his powers from the radioactive waste from the mushroom bomb is a reference to Jake in Ooo remembering that he got his powers from rolling around in a puddle in "The Witch's Garden" S1:E14
Cormac B Jake actually didn’t lie. He never knew that he got shapeshifter powers from the blue creature (Warren), since both Joshua and Margaret decided not to tell Jake about how Jake was born. Jake figured out about his power’s origin in The First Investigation.
Who just wants Adventure time to continue forever?? Edit:.ok, maybe I exaggerated. However, I do want adventure time to continue for a season or two, because I think it hasn't explored everything enough
The main universe and Farmworld are still somewhat connected. Finn Prime suddenly got better at playing the flute, because Farmworld Finn is a good player. So maybe Farmworld Jake got some shapeshifting powers from Jake Prime.
I think an important question to ask concerning this is WHY the blue alien thingy impregnated Joshua. Because that reason would be indicative of whether farmworld Jake had abilities. Although, you video is comprehensive, and very good :)
What if Farmworld Jake is biologically Farmworld Jermaine and Finn (or another human) just named him Jake? As for actual Jake, I present you with the most 3 likely scenarios for what happened to him: 1) he was never born in the first place, 2) he WAS born, but was biologically related to both his dog parents (and exists as a separate entity from Farmworld Jermaine, who then may or may not also exist), or 3) the shapeshifter impregnated Joshua and he exists as a normal dog-shapeshifter hybrid. Immediately, 1 and 2 preclude Jake from having any shapeshifting powers, and the third one, as you've presented in your video, lacks definitive evidence. Joshua and Margaret only had one progeny, and assuming they're both just normal dogs in the Farmworld universe, they would lack the sentience to name their offspring. Therefore, any derived names for dogs in the Farmworld universe would necessitate origination from humans. While we still don't really have enough information to venture a solid guess as to whether or not the shapeshifter was involved with Farmworld Jake in any way, I think you did a great job with the information we do have available.
The entire point of the Farmworld timeline is to show that using Wish Magic doesn't solve your problems. Master Evergreen also learned that the hard way.
The first time I saw this chapter I thought the radioactive pond was a parallel with the one Jake talks about when the witch curses him in the first chapters. This was long before I knew the true origin of Jake but for me it made sense back then.
If the Mushroom bomb never dropped, Jake's parents wouldn't have been capable of humanlike thought and speech, therefor, they wouldn't become monster hunters and Joshua would have never gotten bitten by the shapeshifting dimensional alien thing. Although the alien likely exists in the farmworld timeline, either due to trans-dimensional travel, or the fact that it's likely an alien, and not from this world, Joshua would've never gotten bitten by the alien, and so Jake was born through normal means, like Jermaine was. The reason The lich can shapeshift/change Jake's body is because he can change the body of his host, and, on top of that, the effects of the mushroom bomb just do... weird things. I mean, look at the earth's continents after the mushroom bomb. Not normal.
The only reason Jake was born was because of the alien so that isn't even Jake it's his brother and we never saw the Lich change form at will? When he possessed Princess Bubble Gum he had to drink a ton of chemicals you can make the argument those are the same conditions the Mushroom Boom has but it also changed her skin color
Perhaps Jake was born in a different way. Different universe, different way. Remember how Farmworld Billy's name is Bobby? Also, The Lich changed the form of the snail before (somehow) killing Billy, remember? Also, I don't think the chemicals are entirely identical to the Lich's well of power. It's like comparing grape juice to artificial grape flavoring.
With that argument we can just assume the alien might've bitten Farmworld Jake's dad as well, different universe after all and I don't think he "killed" Billy he might've just taken possession of him and the Well of Power is just toxic waste it can easily be recreated with the right components
1:14 Okay now I'm confused. I always thought that the nightosphere was an alternate dimension, but that statement makes it sound like the nightosphere is a part of our universe? Since you need a portal to get to the nightosphere I always assumed it wasn't inside of our universe, since portals in the AT universe are almost always used to go to other dimensions. Did Finns wish create a whole new nightosphere for farmworld Marceline to exist? Is the Hunson Abadeer we know the father of BOTH Marcelines? Is this just a plot contrivance? Whatever the case I'm sure as hell confused right now
I think farmworld is more of a different timeline rather than a new universe. all outside Influence stays the same. As we dont really know if the nightosphere is a part of the universe or not Imma asume it´s not. so in the farmworld timeline Hunson Abadeer visits and becomes the father of marcy who for some reason still has a connection to simon even tho the mushroom war was stopped.
I think that this timeline tried its best to stay on the path it was going on before Fin made his wish, a lot of things are the same even if they're just jokes or references. Choose Goose is still a merchant, Fin and Jake are still best friends, Simon and Marcy are still basically family and Billy/Bobby looks to still be a hero of some kind. So when Jake fell into the radiation pit the timeline tried its best to stay on track and when it mutated him it gave him shape shifting powers even if The Lich took over his body.
Radiation over the hundreds of years,everything had evolved, half the world died,they had separate colanes ,one of them a group offense intelligent dogs, who ended up leaving earth and faught in the great dog rainacorn battle,also the lich never not exhist,he tells you before time and everything there where god like monsters,devours,and he was kinda amongst them,when the radiation got the dog,he was breaking himself back into the reality to destroy it,its like what he is born to do
What still boombazzles me is that if Finn's wish was that the Lich never even EVER existed, meaning it won't ever exist too, then how come that still happened? I mean, I guess it was acknowledged that it was an error, hence our FInn and Jaked used the maid to correct it.
He said never ever exist/ed/. Past-tense. Only the past incarnations of the Lich disappeared. All FUTURE Liches are still permitted to come into existence.
i can't really agree that jake still has shapeshifting powers since why would that alien even think that a normal dog is a suitable host? especially when the ofspring cannot shapeshift which is required for it's plan to work, i think this has to mean that farm world jake is a normal dog and that's it
Bro thank you I feel like it’s common sense almost 😅 as much as it CAN be. Like bro needed jake to exist so that he could absorb his powers right? Why would he choose a normal dog for that?
Remember earlier in the series where normal Jake kept telling people that he fell into a puddle or something and then he got his powers? I think that the puddle was one that was left over from the mushroom bomb explosion, which would make the farmworld Jake not being able to shapeshift a plausible theory. I don't think it had to do anything with the blue being. Also, Jake didn't really shapeshift at all in the episode Abstract, unless the wings and stuff were just him unconsciously shapeshifting them.
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I have a small theory, the reason why Farmworld Jake text on that form is mainly do from the lich possessing his body and also due to the fact that his body was exposed to the green biohazardous goo from the bomb. Kind of like how the lich possesses princess bubblegum and her body only morphs until monsters form after ingesting green biohazardous goop.
You know. It kinda amazes me how important it is to alot of people(in these comments) that Farmworld Jake is a just regular dog. I mean it's valid, but it doesn't make this theory all the less plausible or less far fetched. Keeping an open mind, I like the idea that the shapeshifting alien stuff already still happened across numerous realities. But it's also plausible that it's merely mutation, like seen in the episode Mortal Recoil; where Bubblegum got possessed by the Lich.
My impression was that the Lich is a kind of meta-being, and bound to Finn and Jake by fate. Finn losing his arm and Jake becoming magical also seem bound by fate. The Lich's arrival in farmworld, as well as his possession of Jake, collapsed reality into something that satisfied the conditions of their respective fates.
If not then that means that Crossover Jake isn’t actually Jake at all. Since Jake is s duplicate of Joshua created by the Shapeshifter that means that Crossover Jake is Jermaine’s parallel
Something that is worth of mention is that a thing every other host of the lych have in common is that they died. I think it's fair to presume that when the Lych take over a body, it kills it and the lych walk in a dead body. Farmworld Jake is unique in that he is the only known one to have survived it (the again, different Lych, so maybe different rules?). Maybe Farmworld Jake's magic nature and shapeshifting form allowed him to survive. Or maybe the shapeshiftingis only possible if the body is alive, and the Lych, wanting to take advantage of that power, preferred not to kill his host, bu simply inhabit it.
Because in whispers and The other liches episodes in the normal timelines, don't have access to their well of power. Where as the Jake Lich came straight out of his well of power so he's more of a full powered lich. That's my two cents anyway.
with cake being granted shapeshifting powers by prismo, i think its just a universal constant that jake and alt verisons gain shapeshifting powers one way or the other. Main universe jake got them from his alien dad yes but theres probably a ton of other jakes that got their powers differently.
Actually that couldn't have been Jake, since Jake only existed because of the strange creature but at the same time the creature only bit Jake's dog dad because he went after the creature. Also, the Lich seems to know he's from an alternate world since in future episodes, Hand Lich says *You've better me in many worlds, child* so mabey when Lich took over Jermain's body, he had some of Jake in him, given Jermain was the replacement for Finn's lifetime companion and was also Jake's twin brother. So Farm World Lich only needed to use the knowledge of other worlds to use Jermain's DNA to unlock alternate Jake's DNA, allowing him to go full shape-shifter. But once Farm World Lich was severed and destroyed, leaving only Hand Lich, the destruction of the rest of his body probably made it harder for him to unlock Alternate Jake's DNA through Jermain's DNA, and the only time he could muster enough power to unlock the shape-shifting DNA of Alternate Jake was when he was talking to Finn while they were in Ooo Lich's Well of Power, giving him enough power to shape-shift, as we see his shadow do as he's monologueing for the final time, and he turned back to normal old Hand Lich once Sweet Pea defeated him
2:30 Warren ampersand states that he needs compatible hosts which was joshua, it seems to be that any time jake comes into contact with magic his natural ability is to stretch otherwise the lich stretching as farmworld jake makes no sense, the lich wouldn't just stretch he posseses alot of things and he never just uses shapeshifting powers for no reason. My guess is Joshua dna is compatible with stretching so maybe it was his latent ability which he never used, but jake being the child of ampersand was born with his awakened power. Jake is a magic dog in ooo but farmworld jake also had the latent ability without being born from ampersand so his power is probably due to being compatible with stretching powers so joshua must also be able to stretch potentially because otherwise it makes no sense for a interdimensional being to randomly warp to ooo and choose joshua for no reason. Joshua was never infused with magic/ maybe he just never awakened his latent ability but Ampersand stated that his criteria is being compatible with him which can imply alot of things but joshua is just a random dog in ooo that he hunted down and sensed from eons away so he must be looking for magic stretching targets imo. Lich could be just stretching as jake but thats so odd that he'd be using an ability like that instead of anything else in his arsenal, lich can modify hosts but never just stretch like jakes magic.
I like to think that the Lich was just mimicking Jake's stretchy powers. Remember, in Whispers, the Lich knew that Finn "bested him in many worlds". While he could have inferred the defeat of the prime universe's Lich, there was no way he cold have known about the defeat of the original Farmworld Lich. That and his hostility to Farmworld Finn at first leads me to the (common) conclusion that every Lich has every other Lich's memories. As such, Farmworld Lich knew about Jake's stretchy powers from the prime timeline and chose to mimic them as a jab at prime universe Jake.
3:57 couldnt the liches whole body is his power, or the "reception point" for as a hand, his "wifi" was weak as could be even if confidently existing (not bleeding out n all) my thought process is farmworld tries its best to remove outside influences whatever slips through was too strong to hold back or nullify entirely
there is one of eposides i dont get it at all and it was talking about princess bubble gum preparing attack from aliens and treetrongs was saying to princess bubble gum stop doing that into my children which i found that soo strange
Me: Alright it’s 3 in the morning I should probably get some sleep... Uncivilized Elk: CaN AlTeRnAtE uNiVeRsE jAkE sHaPeShIfT? Me: I don’t need sleep, I NEED ANSWERS!
The earth being frozen for a plentiful amount of time alters the world so drastically that although a dog similar to jake is born his mother is never impregnated by the alien as she wouldn’t exist.
At the Farmworld ep airing wasn't Jake's known origin that he had played in a magic puddle as a pup? So when that episode aired it insinuated/confirmed that said puddle was actually radioactive sludge. So it's prob a minor plot hole from them not planning inter-dimensional progenitor at that time.
Nah, man...before the episode of Jake's origin, the only 2 instances of toxic substance shown were the Lich's gunk and the stuff related to those goo creatures. Both of which severely messes with people physically...so it wouldn't be that.
It's possible the hand because it isn't connected to the main body is considered dead, which would prevent shapeshifting. However because the lich can still possess dead body's, he stays possessed into the hand. Those are my thoughts on the topic
He was likely just shapeshifting by himself, mimicking Jake in his fight against him, remember the Farmworld Lich was fresh and had ample access to his radioactive waste pool whereas the main timeline Lich never fought them on ideal conditions
The Lich is an overpresent and physical component of physiology of being a symbol for existentialism. he can be palatable to be an omnipresent thing of death, overfiguriation, and it can mean he is omnipresentable type of just present and apprentice of using so much power and force. Maybe?…it’s a radioactive resurgence of passivity of ensuring that “Farmworld” Jake was never born from his parents Joshua’s mutation but both of his parents were normal and not abnormal with supernatural magic abilities they’d be true to have some frequent procession and possession.
I'm not convinced, If we go back to the episode where the Lich was first shown in the show he broke free from the amber of the tree he was imprisoned in by turning into weird liquid like substance and oozes out from the amber. Isn't that considered even slightly as shapeshifting? If it was then wouldn't that mean the Lich DOES have shapeshifting powers? Maybe not as great as Jake's but to a certain degree. I mean the guy(?) wants the destruction of all life, learning how to shsapeshift better isn't exactly high on the list of "The ways to end all life". What do you guys think?
Maybe Warren ampersand was created by the mushroom bomb and one of the side affects was dimension ripping capabilites, explaining that farmworld Jake received the shape-shifting powers from the bomb itself
Jake in farmworld is a normal dog. And it might not even be Jake but Joshua instead with a different name though. A hyper advanced alien trying to create "super" offspring would not choose an inferior species like a normal dog to reproduce. Also the fact they're normals dogs would mean that the circumstances that led to Jake being created in the first place would not come about.
martin is familiar with the act of "void casting" and has an ambiguously cosmic background... maybe in the end, the shapeshifter will have a connection to him. especially with martin's criminal background
Think about it. Joshua only got knocked up because he went on that mission with Margaret iirc. In Farmworld, Joshua would never have gone on any missions on account of him being a dumb ol' dog. Also that alien could be something that transcends alternate dimensions as it is able to pass through them with ease. Meaning that the alien probably just didn't visit Farmworld. Even though more realistically Adam Muto or whoever was probably like "ehh we need to make the Lich a threat while he is in the body of an actual dog. I know why don't we just give him the ability to shapeshift! Everyone will either assume it's the Lich's power and/or Jake's power but nobody will actually question it. AMBIGUITY TIME!"
I originally thought that b/c PB turned into a monster when jacked up by the green toxins, + the Mushroom Bomb gave magic the land of Ooo, that The Lich was able to transform to the degrees he did b/c of the great levels of magic released from the whole thing. I acknowledge this is not logically sound and has good evidence against it. I thought this originally way of thinking I had made the Jake-Lich much cooler when first thinking about the whole scene/scenario.
Farmworld Marcy is old because she never went her own way and she never got bit by the Vampire king. This is after seeing stakes and seeing how it works.
Wait though about the Mushroom Bomb. Wasn't the theory that the Lich's essence from the Catalyst Comet in the episode Evergreen was in the bomb? So is it a mixture of both or? And like what if the Shapeshifter did come from the mutegenic stuff from the Lich, does that mean Jake has DNA from not only the Shapeshifter and Joshua, but the Lich as well? This is all confusing
Ooh, the far out theory also explains why the mushroom bomb did what it did. If it used substances from an international being to enhance its power, that could explain why it did what it did. Do you have a they video about the mushroom bomb?
I'm pretty much going with the litchs magic effects jakes physiology the same as the shapeshifter, perhaps every individual reacts to mutation differently, (kinda like xmen or heroes) so basically it's just bacause its jake and he turns into a shapeshifter when his body is introduced to magic/mutation.
Wait but Jake transforms through (by lore a catalyst comet mutation? Maybe the comet is slightly sentient?) a mutation, yes? Not magic? Maybe he had the ability but didn't know it as he never had to use it being a regular dog. Although if I was a dog I'd want some treats and probably put all of my will into stretching out far enough to reach the top shelf Edit: also at time stamp 3:24 where does that Jake looking skin curtain go?
i kinda wanted to point a lil thing out, in the normal ooo world jakes parents where paranormal investigators/detectives and had found the creature and got the dad pregnant since farm world docent have talking dogs, farm world fin would have had the two dogs [jakes mom and pop} and they would have had jake or they found him in the middle of no where as a pup.
I think that creature was definitely a catalyst for the mushroom war. The green goop that the monster drips when stabbed by Margaret resembles the green goop the zombie people drip and drain. jake's dream I think was telling us how a cult of humans summoned that being into existence (gives me a feel of Trigon and Arella) and that it got the wheels turning in terms of ending the era of humans.
I always thought the shape shifter wasn't from Earth but was from a different planet, or even a different dimension. If my theory were true, the shapeshifter would not only make more sense, if he was trying to become immortal throughout every dimension. but would explain the shapeshifting Lich powers.
Previous episodes have already shown examples of transformation magic so why doesn't it seem easy to believe that the lich who is an ancient and powerful magic caster would be capable of doing it
Many years late but did we honestly not think it could've just been a mutation due to exposure to the bomb? Even in Ooo, PB says that Jake's condition "looks like a mutation", and even though she's wrong in Ooo Jake's case, I think its a big indication that's exactly what happened to Farmworld Jake. But he's likely not intelligent enough to utilize his mutation after the Lich is erased, making the Lich the only one able to actually use Farmworld Jake's mutation. I think that's far more likely than anything else you've listed here.
I think the lich can just shapeshift. remember, it can first escapes from the tree sap by turning into a shadow form. He's got mad magic yo.
Yea, he can modify the body of his host, just like he did (to much lesser extent) with pb
if that was the case, don't you think he would've done something about being just a hand in whispers?
Well he was a severed hand, so only a part of the lich was in there, which maybe limited it's powers. Or maybe he just didn't feel like changing. I mean, his shadow changed, so it probably can, but just did it to intimidate finn
Turning into a liquid is not shapeshifting.
@@cormacb2326 It is though. You change your shape lol, hence shapeshifting.
My theory has always been that farm world Jake wasn't our Jake. I always thought he was Jermaine. Jermaine is the only actual offspring of both his parents. He is the most normal one. But being Fin's dog, Fin would name him Jake. I mean no one really looked like the characters from the L.O.O. that we know. So its possible that the alien never came and that Jake was never actually born in farm world.
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Now I think of it, your theory makes so much sense :)
Agreed
Charles McBrian I know. It's like elk says. It's possible the shapeshifting ability comes from the Lytch. Like once he takes over farmworld Jake's body.
Kelsybabe-P what's more, maybe that dog WOULD have been jermaine, but it ended up being jake due to the link he and finn share, or something
i also had this though, because jake was born from jermaines head, so it ACTUALLY can´t be possible to be THAT jake.. BUT there are 3 things that can make it happen: 1 : some weird fate riddle that we all don`t get, 2: alien inpregnanted allredy jermain and THATS ACTUALLY jake but he has no power because he is in his child form and did not mutated his alien genes with the mushroom war radioactivitie that has given the dogs inteligence etc. so it could not devolp well 3: its jermain / his son (he could just make more puppies in this dimension so it is a kind of a new *jake* ) and finn just has given him the name jake and the lich just shiftet his body from his own powers
Does anyone realize that the mushroom bomb pretty much got rid of all the humans noses?
MicroFlamer 316 WOOOOOW MIND BLOWN
Yeah, and the whites of their eyes...
It's weird how metadata like the character's facial design or the number of fingers/toes they have sometimes influences the canon in this show. For Example, in one of the Graybles episodes, Graybles says that people haven't had five fingers for a long time, but in the Evergreen episode, Evergreen can be seen with five, four, and sometimes three fingers, depending on the shot. The number of fingers he has doesn't actually change in-universe, it's about the artist's different renderings of him, but it's weird how the story cleverly references quirks in the artstyle.
MicroFlamer 316 soo... maybe OOO smells pretty badly all the time?
but no one could smell candy
Ive notest that
I think farmworld "Jake" is just Jermaine, the only puppy Mom and Dad were supposed to have, named "Jake" by farmworld finn and his family
Then why can the Lich use him to shapeshift.
@@cormacb2326 For the same reason Ice Finn didn't grow any facial hair (and his insanity was very simple, it didn't point to anything we know about the source of insanity) even though Evergreen's Crown completely overtook him.
And I think that Fin and Jake will always be companions no matter how or who they are
(Think of shoko and her tiger or shermy and beth) but that Jake’s soul is actually in bar bar (the mule).
@@cormacb2326 cuz its the lich a being of pure evil and it wasnt shapy shifting it was just his final form absorbing jermaine/f jake
@@cormacb2326 the lich is older than time, i think it's plausible he is just copying jake's power using his lich-y magic
i just wanted to say that it is probably a power the lich has over his vessel to change there appearance,if you remember what he did to princess bubblegum when he possessed her back in season 2 she became a giant monster
But, he needed all those ingredients to drink to become the monster
Flumpy Tripod Which is a simulation of the a conditions of the mushroom bomb the Lich fed off for power.
jacob leech agreed.
uncivilized elk has lost his mind over a small shift in hand size of one scene
True
actually it was stimulation of the Lich using PB’s body as a hostess to infect and control. you have quite understand that the Lich’s is only parasite and infects his hosts and hostesses as potential vessel.
which means he can be shapeshifter WHILE it depends on how the victim is built in terms of genetics and body type.
Why can't farm world Jake just be a normal dog?
The Lich's spirit is old and powerful, there's no reason not to believe that all the physiological changes farm world Jake under went, while being possessed by the Litch, weren't just a result of the Litchs powers
Also, I thought Jakes race of dog came from the Crystal dimension
Agreed. Plus the odds that the alien parent of Jake found the equivalent of Joshua on farm world and also bit him seem so improbable.
It's not like he has a radar that detects suitable hosts, he went around sniffing people and biting them.
And who is to say now that Joshua wasn't a talking dog that he would even be a suitable host anymore.
I land firmly on the camp that Jake was just a regular dog and the Lich was using its own powers to change the hosts body.
But then this calls into question why the Lich literally never shapeshifts again if it's just an ability he has
@@SXJAYSX it's as improbable as finn being the main character in both universes
What are the chances that finn has to stop himself from being evil when there is no outside force making it so it's our finn vs farmworld finn and not just evil random farmworld guy
It's definitely not a biological thing for Farmworld Jake. Assuming his parents were normal dogs, they wouldn't have gone out on a mission looking for the shapeshifter and the shapeshifter wouldn't really have a motive to bite one of them.
Still, that would make it Joshua and not Jake since he was never born from Margareth to begin with.
Well what was the Ooo shapeshifter's motive for impregnating Joshua? Would the lack of the bomb going off change that motive?
Keenan Horrigan I think it was mainly a self-defense thing.
Wilfred Cthulu I remember it seeming purposeful. I don't know though I haven't seen the episode in forever
I thought that the alien creature, being from another universe, could simply had not visited farmworld dimension. Because the alien has visited Ooo doesn't mean that it also visited farmworld, after all if it came from another univers, shouldn't it be able to choose which univers to travel to?
I think it's mutation. When Jake crashed into the crater after mushroom bomb exploded, he began to grow and his head changed into Lich' skull. From then on, Jake the Lich hade the shape-shifter power. In Crosover, when heroes release Jake from the Lich influence, it returns to normal shape.
@Vesper yeah it's probably because he's too dumb to be mad or sad.
@@theapexsurvivor9538 Nah Animals have feelings too 3:
Yeah mutation most likey because he could at for even better powers then Jake himself maybe farm world jake had little power like just needed a boost?
I love the magic of Adventure Time. It mostly doesn't make sense, it's whimsical and powerful and kind of everywhere. You're hard pressed to find a character not touched by magic in some way and because of this, magic is sort of Ooh. I think it's cool that everyone kinda just accepts that Ooh and to a greater extent the world is just plain magical and it does whatever it wants (I mention the world because the huge crater in the earth would definitely have filled itself in through usual gravity)
its not ooh its OOO
I think it might take more than a thousand years for that to happen.
You should read the Enchiridion/Marcie's Scrap Book as it explains a lot of lore in AT, like how Magic and the multiverse works, what the impact of the mushroom bomb had on the world and multiverse and what happened to Simon and Marcy during the initial Apocalypse up until stakes.
Don't over-think about it... I think in this universe, he really is just a regular dog... but the liches can use his powers to manipulate his body. Farmworld Jake isn't the same Jake, so he could have been born normally.
The reason why farm jake couldn't shape shift is because he didn't posses the Madness and Sadness required for Magic.
yep
@Gadget Soviet no, most people have the capacity for magic, without madness and sadness it is simply impossible to use magic even if you have it, but without actually possessing magic or learning to use it, madness and sadness are just that.
Think of it like a Triforce, you need all three pieces to unlock its full potential.
@@- and - Goodbye Dmitry says - Hellowouldn't you need madness and sadness to make potions? also, the madness and sadness aren't always very pronounced. One must only look at wizard city for evidence.
I believe the answer to this question lies in sound design. I just rewatched crossover and when the Lich went from it's Jake form to the buff lich form it made the stereotypical sound of Jake stretching
( the part where you regenerate his hand doesn't have stretchy sounds but it does have a gooey flesh sound so I think that's just standard Lich regeneration)
So there 100% the lich has jake abilities
So there for farm word jake is related to Warren ampersant
The Farmworld Lich shares current memories with the main timeline Lich, knowing Jake can shapeshift surely he would've given Farmworld Jake that power so as to fight back
Lich has always magically been able to shapeshift.
This is just speculation, but maybe Farmworld Jake (possibly) getting his powers from the radioactive waste from the mushroom bomb is a reference to Jake in Ooo remembering that he got his powers from rolling around in a puddle in "The Witch's Garden" S1:E14
Jake lied in that episode, in S10:E10 it is confirmed Jake got his powers from the blue being.
Cormac B Jake actually didn’t lie. He never knew that he got shapeshifter powers from the blue creature (Warren), since both Joshua and Margaret decided not to tell Jake about how Jake was born. Jake figured out about his power’s origin in The First Investigation.
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Yeah, but he still knew it wasn't from a puddle. His parents should have told him he was born with it.
What if farmworld Jake isn't even Jake. maybe it's his brother Jermaine ????
So Monster huh
nigga what
I actually find this the most logical theory
It makes sense because jake only comes about then the shapeshifter bites the father...
Shut up bro pls
Who just wants Adventure time to continue forever??
Edit:.ok, maybe I exaggerated. However, I do want adventure time to continue for a season or two, because I think it hasn't explored everything enough
It'sTheRedGM yeah dude I completely agree.
Kai Drysdale me
and end up like fairly odd parents,spongebob or god forbid Familly guy? Not me, just let it end with dignity
Kai Drysdale me
All the best stories come to an end.
The main universe and Farmworld are still somewhat connected.
Finn Prime suddenly got better at playing the flute, because Farmworld Finn is a good player. So maybe Farmworld Jake got some shapeshifting powers from Jake Prime.
I think an important question to ask concerning this is WHY the blue alien thingy impregnated Joshua. Because that reason would be indicative of whether farmworld Jake had abilities. Although, you video is comprehensive, and very good :)
What if Farmworld Jake is biologically Farmworld Jermaine and Finn (or another human) just named him Jake? As for actual Jake, I present you with the most 3 likely scenarios for what happened to him: 1) he was never born in the first place, 2) he WAS born, but was biologically related to both his dog parents (and exists as a separate entity from Farmworld Jermaine, who then may or may not also exist), or 3) the shapeshifter impregnated Joshua and he exists as a normal dog-shapeshifter hybrid. Immediately, 1 and 2 preclude Jake from having any shapeshifting powers, and the third one, as you've presented in your video, lacks definitive evidence.
Joshua and Margaret only had one progeny, and assuming they're both just normal dogs in the Farmworld universe, they would lack the sentience to name their offspring. Therefore, any derived names for dogs in the Farmworld universe would necessitate origination from humans.
While we still don't really have enough information to venture a solid guess as to whether or not the shapeshifter was involved with Farmworld Jake in any way, I think you did a great job with the information we do have available.
Remember when Adventure Time was simple and easy to understand I do. (I don't hate it for being complex I actually prefer it now compared to season 1)
The Lich has always had the power to change the physique of his vessels. Look at the horrible monster form PB took on when possessed by the Lich.
Finn should have wished for " I wish for the lich to be permanently removed from our universe" which wouldn't cause Finn to be stuck in farmworld.
The entire point of the Farmworld timeline is to show that using Wish Magic doesn't solve your problems. Master Evergreen also learned that the hard way.
The first time I saw this chapter I thought the radioactive pond was a parallel with the one Jake talks about when the witch curses him in the first chapters. This was long before I knew the true origin of Jake but for me it made sense back then.
DUDE JAKE IS *JUST* A DOG
If the Mushroom bomb never dropped, Jake's parents wouldn't have been capable of humanlike thought and speech, therefor, they wouldn't become monster hunters and Joshua would have never gotten bitten by the shapeshifting dimensional alien thing. Although the alien likely exists in the farmworld timeline, either due to trans-dimensional travel, or the fact that it's likely an alien, and not from this world, Joshua would've never gotten bitten by the alien, and so Jake was born through normal means, like Jermaine was. The reason The lich can shapeshift/change Jake's body is because he can change the body of his host, and, on top of that, the effects of the mushroom bomb just do... weird things. I mean, look at the earth's continents after the mushroom bomb. Not normal.
The only reason Jake was born was because of the alien so that isn't even Jake it's his brother and we never saw the Lich change form at will? When he possessed Princess Bubble Gum he had to drink a ton of chemicals you can make the argument those are the same conditions the Mushroom Boom has but it also changed her skin color
Perhaps Jake was born in a different way. Different universe, different way. Remember how Farmworld Billy's name is Bobby? Also, The Lich changed the form of the snail before (somehow) killing Billy, remember? Also, I don't think the chemicals are entirely identical to the Lich's well of power. It's like comparing grape juice to artificial grape flavoring.
With that argument we can just assume the alien might've bitten Farmworld Jake's dad as well, different universe after all and I don't think he "killed" Billy he might've just taken possession of him and the Well of Power is just toxic waste it can easily be recreated with the right components
I’m here after the finale, and I’m fairly sure that Warren Ampersand is NOT a result of the mushroom war
What if Farmworld Jake inherited shapeshifted from our Jake the same way our Finn inherited flute skills from Farmworld Finn.
Daughter Ideology that makes sense like no one has mentioned that and it would make some sense then
Always look forward to your videos :) almost as much as I look forward to new episodes
1:14
Okay now I'm confused. I always thought that the nightosphere was an alternate dimension, but that statement makes it sound like the nightosphere is a part of our universe? Since you need a portal to get to the nightosphere I always assumed it wasn't inside of our universe, since portals in the AT universe are almost always used to go to other dimensions. Did Finns wish create a whole new nightosphere for farmworld Marceline to exist? Is the Hunson Abadeer we know the father of BOTH Marcelines? Is this just a plot contrivance? Whatever the case I'm sure as hell confused right now
I think farmworld is more of a different timeline rather than a new universe. all outside Influence stays the same. As we dont really know if the nightosphere is a part of the universe or not Imma asume it´s not. so in the farmworld timeline Hunson Abadeer visits and becomes the father of marcy who for some reason still has a connection to simon even tho the mushroom war was stopped.
I think that this timeline tried its best to stay on the path it was going on before Fin made his wish, a lot of things are the same even if they're just jokes or references. Choose Goose is still a merchant, Fin and Jake are still best friends, Simon and Marcy are still basically family and Billy/Bobby looks to still be a hero of some kind. So when Jake fell into the radiation pit the timeline tried its best to stay on track and when it mutated him it gave him shape shifting powers even if The Lich took over his body.
I think the original idea was that Jake got his powers via mutation, rather than aliens. But it was later retconned for more drama.
Radiation over the hundreds of years,everything had evolved, half the world died,they had separate colanes ,one of them a group offense intelligent dogs, who ended up leaving earth and faught in the great dog rainacorn battle,also the lich never not exhist,he tells you before time and everything there where god like monsters,devours,and he was kinda amongst them,when the radiation got the dog,he was breaking himself back into the reality to destroy it,its like what he is born to do
Jack isent half shap shifter,remember he only got bite because they where hunters,they hunted creaters and demons and shit
Shapeshifter vs orgalorg vs lich vs golb vs all the good guys for the finale
What still boombazzles me is that if Finn's wish was that the Lich never even EVER existed, meaning it won't ever exist too, then how come that still happened?
I mean, I guess it was acknowledged that it was an error, hence our FInn and Jaked used the maid to correct it.
He said never ever exist/ed/. Past-tense.
Only the past incarnations of the Lich disappeared. All FUTURE Liches are still permitted to come into existence.
The Lich is inevitable,
He is beyond wishes,
He is beyond reason,
he is inevitability.
Who else is going to binge watch all of Adventure Time before it ends?
Tom Bashford I just started. I'm on Ocean of Fear right now (S1 E16).
Australium bacon I hope your enjoying it dude.
Been there. Done that.
Tom Bashford me
I loved this type of video, and would reallt want more, what if you did this kind of video on "what is the lich" or something like that...
When Ooo's Lich possessed princess bubblegum's body in the end of season 2 he shapeshifted her body to some extend
I soooooooo hyped for season 9 and Its first episode The Wild Hunt.
(were are going see Huntress Wizard)
Tom Bashford we are already in season 9
Justin Sankar I know, but that's not how the creators arranged the episodes.
We have just 16 episodes to the finale :( I hope, season 9 will be good.
Tom Bashford I really want to see Huntress Wizard as well but I wouldn't get your hopes up based on title alone.
Sürekli Dizi Sezon I just hope they don't rush it, and answer 9 seasons of questions in a few episodes.:P
Awesome video dude, keep up the good work.:)
i can't really agree that jake still has shapeshifting powers since why would that alien even think that a normal dog is a suitable host? especially when the ofspring cannot shapeshift which is required for it's plan to work, i think this has to mean that farm world jake is a normal dog and that's it
Bro thank you I feel like it’s common sense almost 😅 as much as it CAN be. Like bro needed jake to exist so that he could absorb his powers right? Why would he choose a normal dog for that?
He sounds like a baby Chills
Could you do a new version of this video to collaborate with the episode Starchild?
I think they just forgot that Jake was supposed to be a normal dog :/
But those theories seem to be the best (canon) answers we got
Remember earlier in the series where normal Jake kept telling people that he fell into a puddle or something and then he got his powers? I think that the puddle was one that was left over from the mushroom bomb explosion, which would make the farmworld Jake not being able to shapeshift a plausible theory. I don't think it had to do anything with the blue being. Also, Jake didn't really shapeshift at all in the episode Abstract, unless the wings and stuff were just him unconsciously shapeshifting them.
aaah i see what you mean.
You couldn't have known this at the time, but it is confirmed the blue being gave Jake his powers.
The fact that finn couldnt wish the lich never existed just shows how powerful and omnipresent he is
man you are amazing if I want to now something about Adventure Time all what I have to do is go to you and watch your videos that will be all things to to know everything about Adventure Time your shoes is so cool
I have a small theory, the reason why Farmworld Jake text on that form is mainly do from the lich possessing his body and also due to the fact that his body was exposed to the green biohazardous goo from the bomb. Kind of like how the lich possesses princess bubblegum and her body only morphs until monsters form after ingesting green biohazardous goop.
You know. It kinda amazes me how important it is to alot of people(in these comments) that Farmworld Jake is a just regular dog. I mean it's valid, but it doesn't make this theory all the less plausible or less far fetched. Keeping an open mind, I like the idea that the shapeshifting alien stuff already still happened across numerous realities. But it's also plausible that it's merely mutation, like seen in the episode Mortal Recoil; where Bubblegum got possessed by the Lich.
My impression was that the Lich is a kind of meta-being, and bound to Finn and Jake by fate. Finn losing his arm and Jake becoming magical also seem bound by fate. The Lich's arrival in farmworld, as well as his possession of Jake, collapsed reality into something that satisfied the conditions of their respective fates.
Obviously not because their parents were frozen so that monster didn't bites jakes dad
If not then that means that Crossover Jake isn’t actually Jake at all. Since Jake is s duplicate of Joshua created by the Shapeshifter that means that Crossover Jake is Jermaine’s parallel
The shape shifting monster must have done both worlds and might have done infinite worlds to make sure the litch had an unbeatable enemy
This was unexpected and pleasant
when lich jake's hand's shadow changes shape you can here jake stretching sounds
Something that is worth of mention is that a thing every other host of the lych have in common is that they died. I think it's fair to presume that when the Lych take over a body, it kills it and the lych walk in a dead body. Farmworld Jake is unique in that he is the only known one to have survived it (the again, different Lych, so maybe different rules?). Maybe Farmworld Jake's magic nature and shapeshifting form allowed him to survive. Or maybe the shapeshiftingis only possible if the body is alive, and the Lych, wanting to take advantage of that power, preferred not to kill his host, bu simply inhabit it.
Because in whispers and The other liches episodes in the normal timelines, don't have access to their well of power. Where as the Jake Lich came straight out of his well of power so he's more of a full powered lich. That's my two cents anyway.
with cake being granted shapeshifting powers by prismo, i think its just a universal constant that jake and alt verisons gain shapeshifting powers one way or the other. Main universe jake got them from his alien dad yes but theres probably a ton of other jakes that got their powers differently.
You doubt farmworld Jakes heritage when the Lich was once able to wear Billys skin without his horns tearing at his head.
I belive it is not biological and it definetly has sonething to do with the magic of the Lich.
Maybe the hand don't form because his body never existed in that universe
I think hes just a dog and the reason he can shape shape is because the liches powers
Actually that couldn't have been Jake, since Jake only existed because of the strange creature but at the same time the creature only bit Jake's dog dad because he went after the creature. Also, the Lich seems to know he's from an alternate world since in future episodes, Hand Lich says
*You've better me in many worlds, child* so mabey when Lich took over Jermain's body, he had some of Jake in him, given Jermain was the replacement for Finn's lifetime companion and was also Jake's twin brother. So Farm World Lich only needed to use the knowledge of other worlds to use Jermain's DNA to unlock alternate Jake's DNA, allowing him to go full shape-shifter. But once Farm World Lich was severed and destroyed, leaving only Hand Lich, the destruction of the rest of his body probably made it harder for him to unlock Alternate Jake's DNA through Jermain's DNA, and the only time he could muster enough power to unlock the shape-shifting DNA of Alternate Jake was when he was talking to Finn while they were in Ooo Lich's Well of Power, giving him enough power to shape-shift, as we see his shadow do as he's monologueing for the final time, and he turned back to normal old Hand Lich once Sweet Pea defeated him
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Warren ampersand states that he needs compatible hosts which was joshua, it seems to be that any time jake comes into contact with magic his natural ability is to stretch otherwise the lich stretching as farmworld jake makes no sense, the lich wouldn't just stretch he posseses alot of things and he never just uses shapeshifting powers for no reason. My guess is Joshua dna is compatible with stretching so maybe it was his latent ability which he never used, but jake being the child of ampersand was born with his awakened power. Jake is a magic dog in ooo but farmworld jake also had the latent ability without being born from ampersand so his power is probably due to being compatible with stretching powers so joshua must also be able to stretch potentially because otherwise it makes no sense for a interdimensional being to randomly warp to ooo and choose joshua for no reason. Joshua was never infused with magic/ maybe he just never awakened his latent ability but Ampersand stated that his criteria is being compatible with him which can imply alot of things but joshua is just a random dog in ooo that he hunted down and sensed from eons away so he must be looking for magic stretching targets imo. Lich could be just stretching as jake but thats so odd that he'd be using an ability like that instead of anything else in his arsenal, lich can modify hosts but never just stretch like jakes magic.
I like to think that the Lich was just mimicking Jake's stretchy powers.
Remember, in Whispers, the Lich knew that Finn "bested him in many worlds". While he could have inferred the defeat of the prime universe's Lich, there was no way he cold have known about the defeat of the original Farmworld Lich.
That and his hostility to Farmworld Finn at first leads me to the (common) conclusion that every Lich has every other Lich's memories.
As such, Farmworld Lich knew about Jake's stretchy powers from the prime timeline and chose to mimic them as a jab at prime universe Jake.
Occams razor: I think he's just a mutant whose mutation includes a lesser form of shapeshifting.
What episode did the shapeshifter make that portal?
3:57 couldnt
the liches whole body is his power, or the "reception point" for
as a hand, his "wifi" was weak as could be even if confidently existing (not bleeding out n all)
my thought process is farmworld tries its best to remove outside influences
whatever slips through was too strong to hold back or nullify entirely
I've heard that in the next episode of Adventure Time will have Huntress Wizard have a major role
there is one of eposides i dont get it at all and it was talking about princess bubble gum preparing attack from aliens and treetrongs was saying to princess bubble gum stop doing that into my children which i found that soo strange
Me: Alright it’s 3 in the morning I should probably get some sleep...
Uncivilized Elk: CaN AlTeRnAtE uNiVeRsE jAkE sHaPeShIfT?
Me: I don’t need sleep, I NEED ANSWERS!
So many question left and such little time to answer them.
The earth being frozen for a plentiful amount of time alters the world so drastically that although a dog similar to jake is born his mother is never impregnated by the alien as she wouldn’t exist.
At the Farmworld ep airing wasn't Jake's known origin that he had played in a magic puddle as a pup? So when that episode aired it insinuated/confirmed that said puddle was actually radioactive sludge. So it's prob a minor plot hole from them not planning inter-dimensional progenitor at that time.
Imonitie E. Jakes parents told him he rolled around in a puddle. It was a lie jakes parents didn't want to tell him the truth
dallama Yeah I know that's the case in-story. I'm talking about the writers deciding that was a lie later rather than planning it all along.
Nah, man...before the episode of Jake's origin, the only 2 instances of toxic substance shown were the Lich's gunk and the stuff related to those goo creatures. Both of which severely messes with people physically...so it wouldn't be that.
It's possible the hand because it isn't connected to the main body is considered dead, which would prevent shapeshifting. However because the lich can still possess dead body's, he stays possessed into the hand. Those are my thoughts on the topic
He was likely just shapeshifting by himself, mimicking Jake in his fight against him, remember the Farmworld Lich was fresh and had ample access to his radioactive waste pool whereas the main timeline Lich never fought them on ideal conditions
The Lich is an overpresent and physical component of physiology of being a symbol for existentialism. he can be palatable to be an omnipresent thing of death, overfiguriation, and it can mean he is omnipresentable type of just present and apprentice of using so much power and force.
Maybe?…it’s a radioactive resurgence of passivity of ensuring that “Farmworld” Jake was never born from his parents Joshua’s mutation but both of his parents were normal and not abnormal with supernatural magic abilities they’d be true to have some frequent procession and possession.
I'm not convinced, If we go back to the episode where the Lich was first shown in the show he broke free from the amber of the tree he was imprisoned in by turning into weird liquid like substance and oozes out from the amber. Isn't that considered even slightly as shapeshifting? If it was then wouldn't that mean the Lich DOES have shapeshifting powers? Maybe not as great as Jake's but to a certain degree. I mean the guy(?) wants the destruction of all life, learning how to shsapeshift better isn't exactly high on the list of "The ways to end all life".
What do you guys think?
Even billy had a magic dog. What if it was an half shape shifter too?
Maybe Warren ampersand was created by the mushroom bomb and one of the side affects was dimension ripping capabilites, explaining that farmworld Jake received the shape-shifting powers from the bomb itself
Jake in farmworld is a normal dog. And it might not even be Jake but Joshua instead with a different name though. A hyper advanced alien trying to create "super" offspring would not choose an inferior species like a normal dog to reproduce. Also the fact they're normals dogs would mean that the circumstances that led to Jake being created in the first place would not come about.
martin is familiar with the act of "void casting" and has an ambiguously cosmic background... maybe in the end, the shapeshifter will have a connection to him. especially with martin's criminal background
Think about it. Joshua only got knocked up because he went on that mission with Margaret iirc. In Farmworld, Joshua would never have gone on any missions on account of him being a dumb ol' dog. Also that alien could be something that transcends alternate dimensions as it is able to pass through them with ease. Meaning that the alien probably just didn't visit Farmworld. Even though more realistically Adam Muto or whoever was probably like "ehh we need to make the Lich a threat while he is in the body of an actual dog. I know why don't we just give him the ability to shapeshift! Everyone will either assume it's the Lich's power and/or Jake's power but nobody will actually question it. AMBIGUITY TIME!"
Nope, the shapeshifter was planing to impregnate a creature.
Here’s a theory. Farm world jake isn’t a doppelgänger of Jake. It’s a random dog also named Jake.
Don’t dogs talk cause those magic dogs are from the crystal dimension? Isn’t it same to assume that’s where Jake’s ancestors originate?
What if farmworld jake just isn't an alternate jake and just a random dog
ceippo nah it’s jermaine
I originally thought that b/c PB turned into a monster when jacked up by the green toxins, + the Mushroom Bomb gave magic the land of Ooo, that The Lich was able to transform to the degrees he did b/c of the great levels of magic released from the whole thing. I acknowledge this is not logically sound and has good evidence against it. I thought this originally way of thinking I had made the Jake-Lich much cooler when first thinking about the whole scene/scenario.
Farmworld Marcy is old because she never went her own way and she never got bit by the Vampire king. This is after seeing stakes and seeing how it works.
Not putting too much of emphasis on Farmworld Jake, it's all basically Finn's wishing the Lich never existed, therefore meaning no magic Land Of Ooo!
Fiona and cake the paw print was stuck in Jake's head, hence that shape shifty skin I think it was the mushie bomb
Wait though about the Mushroom Bomb. Wasn't the theory that the Lich's essence from the Catalyst Comet in the episode Evergreen was in the bomb? So is it a mixture of both or? And like what if the Shapeshifter did come from the mutegenic stuff from the Lich, does that mean Jake has DNA from not only the Shapeshifter and Joshua, but the Lich as well? This is all confusing
Ooh, the far out theory also explains why the mushroom bomb did what it did. If it used substances from an international being to enhance its power, that could explain why it did what it did. Do you have a they video about the mushroom bomb?
I'm pretty much going with the litchs magic effects jakes physiology the same as the shapeshifter, perhaps every individual reacts to mutation differently, (kinda like xmen or heroes) so basically it's just bacause its jake and he turns into a shapeshifter when his body is introduced to magic/mutation.
Wait but Jake transforms through (by lore a catalyst comet mutation? Maybe the comet is slightly sentient?) a mutation, yes? Not magic? Maybe he had the ability but didn't know it as he never had to use it being a regular dog.
Although if I was a dog I'd want some treats and probably put all of my will into stretching out far enough to reach the top shelf
Edit: also at time stamp 3:24 where does that Jake looking skin curtain go?
i kinda wanted to point a lil thing out,
in the normal ooo world jakes parents where paranormal investigators/detectives and had found the creature and got the dad pregnant
since farm world docent have talking dogs, farm world fin would have had the two dogs [jakes mom and pop} and they would have had jake or they found him in the middle of no where as a pup.
I think that creature was definitely a catalyst for the mushroom war. The green goop that the monster drips when stabbed by Margaret resembles the green goop the zombie people drip and drain. jake's dream I think was telling us how a cult of humans summoned that being into existence (gives me a feel of Trigon and Arella) and that it got the wheels turning in terms of ending the era of humans.
I always thought the shape shifter wasn't from Earth but was from a different planet, or even a different dimension. If my theory were true, the shapeshifter would not only make more sense, if he was trying to become immortal throughout every dimension. but would explain the shapeshifting Lich powers.
Previous episodes have already shown examples of transformation magic so why doesn't it seem easy to believe that the lich who is an ancient and powerful magic caster would be capable of doing it
Many years late but did we honestly not think it could've just been a mutation due to exposure to the bomb? Even in Ooo, PB says that Jake's condition "looks like a mutation", and even though she's wrong in Ooo Jake's case, I think its a big indication that's exactly what happened to Farmworld Jake. But he's likely not intelligent enough to utilize his mutation after the Lich is erased, making the Lich the only one able to actually use Farmworld Jake's mutation. I think that's far more likely than anything else you've listed here.