Ep. 21 Geishaspotting: In Search Of Geisha in the Gion District of Kyoto, Japan

#芸妓 #舞妓 #geisha

[@1130GT3540]

0:58～地方芸妓(Jikata Geiko) イ(にんべん Ninben) 豆わか(Mamewaka)
11:48～多麻(Tama) 多都葉(Tatuha)＆仕込みさん(Shikomisan)
13:03～多麻(Tama) 菜乃葉(Nanoha)・まめ樹(Mameju)
17:34～西村(Nishimura) 朋子(Tomoko)・槇里子(Mariko)＆仕込みさん(Shikomisan)
15:17＆31:44～変身舞妓(Maiko Transformtion)

[@mahlik6152]

Be sure to pay attention that the first woman that walked wasn’t a geiko she was a oiran!! Oiran wear the obi in front and they have a more intense hairstyle

[@moushimoushi8963]

Not an oiran! ^^ this is during setsubun and she’s a geiko dressed as an oiran. During setsubun, geiko dress up in different costumes and perform skits during obake ^^ oiran no longer exist^^

[@tatsuya8597]

彼女は芸妓です　She is a geisha

[@thusuongtranthi334]

Ngừoi miền Tây gọi là ghe

[@semajjames1136]

The Bunsui Sakura Matsuri Oiran Dōchū is an annual event held every April in Bunsui, Niigata Prefecture (now part of the city of Tsubame). The parade, which takes place in spring, historically re-enacts the walk made by top courtesans around their district in honour of their guests. I think you should cover this event the coolest parade ive ever seen in Japan so far - showcasing the oldest profession in human history.

[@DaveinOsaka]

Thank you so much for that info! When things get normal again I will definitely go check this out!

[@thusuongtranthi334]

Ngừoi Huế ban 1 bộ áo dài cho khách du lịch khoảng 500 000 trở lên VN D. Muốn mua vải... Thì có vải...
Tiền công may 1 bộ áo dài ở Huế khoảng 200 000Vnd. 1, 8 m dài khổ vải 1,6 m. Và quân thì 1,2 m khổ vải 1,6 m. Cho nguôi người 60 kg trở xuống và 1,6 m cao.
Cao, mập hon thì số do dài ấy nhân doi lên...

[@thusuongtranthi334]

Cho Đông Ba, duong Nhạt lệ Huế

[@thusuongtranthi334]

Hạt trai, Ngọc... Đều ban kg... Hàng Nhật cũng có khách nhiều

[@atomboy45]

I’m confused, I thought Geiko were not considered Oiran? Why would they re-enact something they’re not?

[@semajjames1136]

good work keep shooting!!! beautiful.

[@user-lc1qp1wm3e]

ん？今ハイエースの八坂タクシーから降りたのはもしかしてつる葉姐さんかな～？

[@SuperShinkazu]

Can I give you a tip? Pay more attention on the women in kimono with a round hairstyle, they are much likely senior geiko or okaasan. Nice to see former geiko Koaki is still enjoying Gion. She appears at 8:41 in kimono.
Thanks for sharing this marvelous video as always. It reminds me my afternoons enjoying Gion doing the same as you. Please, visit Miyagawacho, the atmosphere there is much more relaxed and geiko and maiko are more friendly.

[@DutyRon]

Outstanding Dave 🤗

[@DaveinOsaka]

Thanks Ron

[@mikefitchNYC1971]

I love her outfit! She looks so beautiful!Love your videos.

[@Chica677]

The first one look like an tayuu or Oiran. 😊so cool😊

[@DaveinOsaka]

Yes exactly! It was a costume night for all the geiko.

[@Mean_Jean]

Setsubun. The festival events during February where the geiko/maiko dress up. This isn't a re enactment of the oiran dochu, that's in tokyo

[@DaveinOsaka]

Thank you for that information!

[@bryancole842]

Hi Dave - love your channel. Although I’ve been to Kyoto many times, I decided to check-out the Gion Matsuri this coming July for the first time. Will there be a lot of Geiko/Maiko as usual or is it just too crazy to see them at that time?

[@DaveinOsaka]

bryan cole Yes, there will be a lot of them and there will be a lot of tourists also. That will be your biggest obstacle but sometimes it makes for a great photo if you include the crowds surrounding them. There’s also a special event going on during the festival that I can tell you about. If you can send me private message at that time, I’ll let you know about it.

[@thusuongtranthi334]

Nhu cầu về gấm, lua to tam... Chất liệu vải fabric da dang và nhiều.. Vì khách du lịch khắp nơi...
Mùa hè, mùa mưa, mùa lạnh.. Ở Huế cũng có.. Khách du lịch

[@leotiernan4261]

Fantastic practical unknowing in my part of the world ☘️ 🎌

[@DaveinOsaka]

Glad you enjoy it!

[@howtoppt000]

Wow that's a lot of geisha and maiko！
Thx for your explaination of the festivals

[@DaveinOsaka]

Thank you for watching Shannon! Please look out for more broadcasts soon!

[@user-lc1qp1wm3e]

16:00～何かの撮影宣伝用かな～着物姿のお年をめした方は置屋多摩のお母さん（元舞妓さん）観光用の宣伝取材か何かなのかなぁ～後ろを歩く舞妓さんが本物なら格子戸を開ける時には必ず自分で開けて目上の方を先に通しますから～前の画面の2人の舞妓さんを観れば解りますよ戸を開けて先に中に入って待ち目上の菜乃葉さんを招き入れてから戸を閉めたまめ樹さんどちらが舞妓としても格が上か解りますよね・・・・・年は同じでも店出し（舞妓デビュー）が１日でも先なら前を歩く事もしませんし暖簾や格子戸を開けて待つのは当たりまえですから・・・・・

[@Joeybklyn.]

Great job as always fantastic 👍👍🍾

[@DaveinOsaka]

Joey Thanks for coming in, Joey

[@Tweezy786]

Random it seemed like people were being rather rude to you on this livestream. lol I assure you none of us hate you at all. I can’t believe somebody watching would actually write that to you. I will always watch you’re geisha spotting videos! Super exciting! I miss them.

[@DaveinOsaka]

Thank you for the support, Tweezy. Just a lot of keyboard warriors or people that don’t know me. It comes with the territory in social media. I am a much older and wiser person since these were filmed.

[@Tweezy786]

@@DaveinOsaka Most definitely I totally get that. We all grow & mature with age. Much respect to you my friend!

[@semajjames1136]

yes it was OIRAN (Tashu and koshi) by the way they wear the sash in front and elaborated hair piece, that is your lucky day very rare of them to be spotted like that - not fully dressed up. im pretty sure there was a big wig inside a politician or a very rich man.

[@DaveinOsaka]

Yes, it was a rare spotting for sure!

[@moushimoushi8963]

She’s not an oiran, but instead a geiko dressed up as an oiran for setsubun ^^ you’ll usually see one or two geiko dressed up as oiran for their obake skits during this time of year ^^ it’s a fun time to stroll through the gokagai and see all the different costumes.

[@semajjames1136]

@@moushimoushi8963 wow, she is beautiful and the escort what do you call her the other one dressed up like a comic.

[@moushimoushi8963]

@@semajjames1136 I'm trying to find what you're referring to ^^ Can you give me a time stamp when you saw that?

[@semajjames1136]

@@moushimoushi8963 the first 4 seconds of the clip i may be wrong but OIRAN dressed girl has a companion on the right side holding an umbrella the make up is catchy maybe disrespectful to say comic but i beg for apology. i am very very sorry.

[@AThousandTales]

Lol, at 9:38 a geisha passed you and you didn't even notice. :P The old geiko never get much attention. ^^; Anyway, the maiko at 11:56 is named Tatsuha, but I'm feeling sorry for her as it clearly shows she is uncomfortable with all those people around her. At 13:15 there's maiko Mameju and maiko Nanoha. At 15:26 (and 31:50) it is the Tama okaasan, and with her is actually a customer who is dressed up as a maiko! At 17:34 it's maiko Tomoko and Miwako. At 21:54, those are probably both geiko (the one with the long hair might be geiko Mao), who are dressed up for Obake (which is not Halloween). Obake is part of Setsubun, where people dress up in costumes. Geiko use this opportunity to dress up too, and perform short sketches at ozashiki banquets. The sketches often feature kabuki or folkloric stories, but with a funny twist. Geiko Mao actually seemed to be dressed as a high ranking samurai lady.
As for the costs of a kimono or obi, you say they cost a minimum of 1000 dollars... make that at least five to ten times more than that! As you did say, formal ones can cost even double that amount. Not only are a maiko's hikizuri (trailing) kimono and darari obi handmade and of the best quality, but they are also much longer than a regular kimono or obi.
However, you also state that kimono are fitted for the maiko and geiko, and thus the maiko are indebted from day one. This is incorrect. An okiya does not purchase a kimono or obi or any part of their clothing for just one maiko to wear it. These kimono are one-size-fits-all, treasured, and sometimes worn for decades by different generations of maiko, becoming icons themselves. A maiko's kimono reflects not only the season, but her rank too, and some can only be worn by a maiko for just a few weeks during her whole apprenticeship. It would be bad for business to purchase a kimono that can be worn for such a little time.
Also, please don't say maiko are indebted to their okiya. Sure, the okaasan do invest a lot of money in them. Indeed, part of what the maiko earn goes back to the okiya to pay for that, but the rest goes into a trust account for the maiko. The maiko are definitely not indebted! They can quit whenever they want, without any financial repercussions. It is a great risk that the okaasan take, which is why they must be picky when accepting a new girl into the okiya.
It is also not a sign that a geiko has paid off her debts, for her to become independent. If that were true, it would mean that there are geiko who are not that succesful, who can thus never pay off their debts and must remain living in the okiya forever. That's ridiculous: slavery has been banned in Japan since quite some time. A geiko must own a certain amount of kimono and accessories, in order to practice her profession. That, in addition to the many other costs that come with finding your own place to live, means a geiko must save a lot money before she moves out of the okiya. As maiko earn the same per hour as geiko, this would not be possibly if the geiko was indeed heavily indebted for several years.
On another topic: geiko can have a relationship. Of course they can: they are just as human as you and I. Many young geiko quit the profession to get married, actually. Geiko often don't have time for a relationship though, as their daily lives are very busy with classes, work, and obligations. Maiko are probably also free to get a relationship, but I doubt their okaasan would approve, as it could very well distract them from their studies. The owners of the okiya will act just like the maiko's mothers, in that way.
I'm sorry for the long-winded explanation, and thank you for uploading this video.

[@DaveinOsaka]

Yvonne Thank you for all that information and typing it out. Is it true they cannot be married or just that they don’t want to be married while they are practicing as a Geiko?

[@DaveinOsaka]

Yvonne The information I received about the costs of the kimono are from an ethnomusicologist that did their dissertation about geisha.

[@DaveinOsaka]

I described Setsubun Obake as Halloween for Geiko and Maiko because it is the closest thing in Western Culture that people could relate to.

[@AThousandTales]

@@DaveinOsaka Oh no, it's true that they can't get married while they are geisha, but they are allowed to have relationships. I'm sorry for the confusion.

[@AThousandTales]

@@DaveinOsaka I think we might have the same source... The person I got it from, has a Tumblr blog: though I have seen lower numbers mentioned, a more recent post stated the kimono were much more expensive. 😅

[@loic351]

Hi Dave, thank you for the vidéo. You should warn when you're doing live shows

[@DaveinOsaka]

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[@janheward5097]

the furst woman was orion not a geisha orions have done sex geishas dont nor do maikos geishas and maikos dance sing socialize and entertain orions take it a step further not the same classification

[@leotiernan4261]

Hi Davein any way related to the Japanese/American Tennis Star ⭐️

[@DaveinOsaka]

No, I’m not actually. I just live in Osaka

[@thusuongtranthi334]

May mặc thì đẹp. May ban cho họ thì xấu.. Chê là sao

[@want2cookeverthang]

It's called a kimono

[@DaveinOsaka]

Mike Gaskin Yes, and your point is?

[@karaunsworthlovesstraykids8619]

In the beginning that’s was and orian not a geisha so different

[@Oshidorinohina]

It's a geisha dressed as an oiran for Obake. there are no more oiran in existence nowadays. There are tayuu- which are quite different in appearance as well.