If you don't take it no one gets to see it, it can become lost or damaged beyond recognition, and of you take it you can let other people appreciate it, I don't do this to become rich. I truly appreciate the craftsmanship and story each piece can tell. And to let something like that just disappear, no thank you.
I totally agree. I have argued with a few archaeologists. I hunt mostly farm fields and everything I find is being saved from being destroyed by the farm equipment. I have always felt that I was saving them. I do agree with cataloguing sites and giving reference points numbers to sites. I can’t stand the arrogance of most of them. Good luck hunting!
Evidently that girl had no idea what she was talking about. You brought up some really good points. Points! Get it? I believe it`s great to collect artifacts. People have literally found some important parts of history. We are saving history.
The only one I've ever found was a quartz arrowhead that was bought up from grading around a new house. In fact, it was a domestic goose that "discovered" it. Geese sometimes wallow out little holes with their bills when it's raining, I guess to collect muddy water to drink while it's raining? I was just walking around and looking at the "goose holes", and there it was inside the goose hole. I was still in HS and had a teacher who knew some stuff about them. He said it was from a certain period and probably about 700 years old, based on shape and size I guess. Later I found out that not too many miles to the north there must have been an encampment or village. The farmer living there told me about him and his family finding arrowheads, ax heads, and even some sort of pendant or "medicine" piece. This was over many many years after tilling. I remember him showing me some points and the pendant piece. Susquehannocks lived in the area. I now live next to the river by the same name, and a neighbor across the street was digging his back yard to do plumbing and for footers for a big addition, and found a nice stone ax head. Another neighbor was building a new house over where an old one was that was taken down. My dad and I walked daily to see progress. I watched the ground being dug up and perused the dirt piles looking for artifacts. I never spotted any, but there were some really cool round river stones. Finding such things allows you to touch history in a more personal way than going to a museum.
Just subscribed. I've heard comments such as " I'm a curator, not a hoarder," I can connect with that but always remember "loose lip sink ships ( talking to the wrong person) about where you're finding artifacts. It's a big no for me anymore! 😊 BTW, I'm an artifact hoarder😊
Though floods yearly wipe out history everywhere, somehow that history mysteriously remains as untouched history that can be ruined by a person picking up an artifact that has been washed up and tumbled around hundreds of times over thousands of years. I believe there special cases where history has largely been untouched and thus worthy of a well thought dig, provided it is actually done honestly and in a way the taxpayer can benefit from it, like in a museum. I agree with you Dale. God bless.
You know pretty much all of our dams have history below the water. Really old sites that the archaeologist went and did a small review of the area and then whatever they did find they would cover with gravel and then some type of plastic tarp and then more gravel. I just thought that was a strangest thing. And yes, all of the information that the archaeologist gather is confidential even if it’s your property, they don’t have to tell you anything. This is part of the bigger problem of the hidden history. There are so many buildings that they were built in 1850 that were built much earlier than that but they lie to us all the time. It’s like they just don’t want us to know anything because I guess if they control the past they also control the present and the future.
Funny these archeologists only dig test holes when building subdivisions...they are building 550 home subdivision on a ridge top above a creek across from a known site that has already been destroyed and now has a playground/park on top of it. As soon as they start clearing im going to get permission to walk it while they arent working. I'm ready to go change some more history I guess 🙄
I found that out one day simply discussing hunting arrow heads with a archeologists. You are exactly right about that! It probably isn’t a good idea talking about it to native Americans. A lot of them don’t like it from what I understand.
Archaeologists are the main vandals. Lots of digging and fooling around with grad students, followed by foot dragging and NO report. On the other hand, we amateurs are responsible for sharing what we find.
I'm 50 years old and found my first point when I was 6. My dad and I spent many days walking clear cuts in the Piedmont of South Carolina , much to the distane of the university of South Carolina archeology department. The simple truth is the archaeologist were mad that we often beat them to the spots. And truthfully surface artifacts have little archaeologial value once disturbed by heavy equipment. And like you sir we have found super sites in construction areas that will never be documented in any way. Pick up what you can while you can. We are saving history my friend.
@@HickbillyOutdoorswithDWVerts Man, I hit the bell 🔔 for ya, been subscribed forever, but alot of my old subs never got the bell rung 🤣✌... Just realized, I haven't seen ya pop up lately, guess that's why.. Best for ya brother 🪶
I have NO and I mean ZERO respect for arch's for when they dig and gather history whether it's legal or not they get paid for doing so and that's their livelihood I get it but and to them it's not wrong but when we the every day hobbist/collector do it for whatever reason then it's breaking the law to them and in reality it's not so no respect for arch's !!!! And yes if I go out and search for history's goodies I do so legal is all that matters for I certainly aren't going to fraternize with any arch's !!! Arch's are interesting for their knowledge but I'de rather learn from other hobbyists !! Good stuff always D.W. as usual and keeps me motivated for my next adventure !!!
They get over it they take the artifacts and stuff them away and people never see them or can enjoy them so tuff luck they don’t tell the truth about history anyway.
There will probably never even be enough funding for archaeologist to excavate all this stuff anyway. They could try to educate people instead of looking down on them.
She? Indiana State University? That one prefers they get destroyed by farm equipment. No one will see them if amateur collectors pick them up, so people will walk fields to see them?
Most of them want to put the artifact in a shelf in their office Never to be seen again by the public. I've did some extensive research to find a site here locally not far from my home. Most are under developments and supermarkets and roads here. But this one isn't which is rare. I went to ask permission from a landowner, upon arriving I knew the answer was going to be no by the vehicle they drove. I ask anyway, he said he had a archeologist out there and that I wouldn't find anything anyway. I thought, Wow how does he know what I may find. Your not finding evidence sitting on the sofa that is for sure.
If you leave it no one ever gets to appreciate that history!
There you go.
If you take it only you will experience history, Nobody else will get to see it unless you show it to them.
If you don't take it no one gets to see it, it can become lost or damaged beyond recognition, and of you take it you can let other people appreciate it, I don't do this to become rich. I truly appreciate the craftsmanship and story each piece can tell. And to let something like that just disappear, no thank you.
@@jy95346 I've never sold one either. Like you, it's the STORY.
I totally agree. I have argued with a few archaeologists. I hunt mostly farm fields and everything I find is being saved from being destroyed by the farm equipment. I have always felt that I was saving them. I do agree with cataloguing sites and giving reference points numbers to sites. I can’t stand the arrogance of most of them. Good luck hunting!
Thanks man!
Evidently that girl had no idea what she was talking about. You brought up some really good points. Points! Get it? I believe it`s great to collect artifacts. People have literally found some important parts of history. We are saving history.
Perfect Rick.
The only one I've ever found was a quartz arrowhead that was bought up from grading around a new house. In fact, it was a domestic goose that "discovered" it. Geese sometimes wallow out little holes with their bills when it's raining, I guess to collect muddy water to drink while it's raining? I was just walking around and looking at the "goose holes", and there it was inside the goose hole. I was still in HS and had a teacher who knew some stuff about them. He said it was from a certain period and probably about 700 years old, based on shape and size I guess. Later I found out that not too many miles to the north there must have been an encampment or village. The farmer living there told me about him and his family finding arrowheads, ax heads, and even some sort of pendant or "medicine" piece. This was over many many years after tilling. I remember him showing me some points and the pendant piece. Susquehannocks lived in the area. I now live next to the river by the same name, and a neighbor across the street was digging his back yard to do plumbing and for footers for a big addition, and found a nice stone ax head. Another neighbor was building a new house over where an old one was that was taken down. My dad and I walked daily to see progress. I watched the ground being dug up and perused the dirt piles looking for artifacts. I never spotted any, but there were some really cool round river stones. Finding such things allows you to touch history in a more personal way than going to a museum.
Man, you are CORRECT!
Just subscribed. I've heard comments such as " I'm a curator, not a hoarder," I can connect with that but always remember "loose lip sink ships ( talking to the wrong person) about where you're finding artifacts. It's a big no for me anymore! 😊 BTW, I'm an artifact hoarder😊
Awesome- thanks Robert!
Very logical and I agree
Thanks!
Though floods yearly wipe out history everywhere, somehow that history mysteriously remains as untouched history that can be ruined by a person picking up an artifact that has been washed up and tumbled around hundreds of times over thousands of years. I believe there special cases where history has largely been untouched and thus worthy of a well thought dig, provided it is actually done honestly and in a way the taxpayer can benefit from it, like in a museum. I agree with you Dale. God bless.
Thanks buddy. Hope you're still recovering well.
You know pretty much all of our dams have history below the water. Really old sites that the archaeologist went and did a small review of the area and then whatever they did find they would cover with gravel and then some type of plastic tarp and then more gravel. I just thought that was a strangest thing. And yes, all of the information that the archaeologist gather is confidential even if it’s your property, they don’t have to tell you anything. This is part of the bigger problem of the hidden history. There are so many buildings that they were built in 1850 that were built much earlier than that but they lie to us all the time. It’s like they just don’t want us to know anything because I guess if they control the past they also control the present and the future.
Man, so true. Thanks.
Funny these archeologists only dig test holes when building subdivisions...they are building 550 home subdivision on a ridge top above a creek across from a known site that has already been destroyed and now has a playground/park on top of it. As soon as they start clearing im going to get permission to walk it while they arent working. I'm ready to go change some more history I guess 🙄
I don't call it changing history my friend, I call it saving history. Carry on while you can before everything gets destroyed and lost.
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I found that out one day simply discussing hunting arrow heads with a archeologists. You are exactly right about that! It probably isn’t a good idea talking about it to native Americans. A lot of them don’t like it from what I understand.
And the stuff we mostly find form across the country are NOT "Indians". They pre-date that.
@@HickbillyOutdoorswithDWVerts paleo?
@@davidharris4030 Everything from 1000 years or so back is pre- "Indian". They were
Paleo Indians". Ancient man. CAVEman...
@@HickbillyOutdoorswithDWVerts Exactly what I said! I have studied this myself dude!
Archaeologists are the main vandals. Lots of digging and fooling around with grad students, followed by foot dragging and NO report. On the other hand, we amateurs are responsible for sharing what we find.
Appreciate that Peter!
I'm 50 years old and found my first point when I was 6. My dad and I spent many days walking clear cuts in the Piedmont of South Carolina , much to the distane of the university of South Carolina archeology department. The simple truth is the archaeologist were mad that we often beat them to the spots. And truthfully surface artifacts have little archaeologial value once disturbed by heavy equipment. And like you sir we have found super sites in construction areas that will never be documented in any way. Pick up what you can while you can. We are saving history my friend.
Thanks Chris!!!
Right on, man !!
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Keep on savin' !!!!
Thanks 'Looker!
@@HickbillyOutdoorswithDWVerts
Man, I hit the bell 🔔 for ya, been subscribed forever, but alot of my old subs never got the bell rung 🤣✌...
Just realized, I haven't seen ya pop up lately, guess that's why..
Best for ya brother 🪶
@@historylooker7 I've had my "Bell Rung" more than once. Just busy man, and I don't want this to be work... THANKS.
@@HickbillyOutdoorswithDWVerts
I heard that, man.....
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I have NO and I mean ZERO respect for arch's for when they dig and gather history whether it's legal or not they get paid for doing so and that's their livelihood I get it but and to them it's not wrong but when we the every day hobbist/collector do it for whatever reason then it's breaking the law to them and in reality it's not so no respect for arch's !!!! And yes if I go out and search for history's goodies I do so legal is all that matters for I certainly aren't going to fraternize with any arch's !!! Arch's are interesting for their knowledge but I'de rather learn from other hobbyists !! Good stuff always D.W. as usual and keeps me motivated for my next adventure !!!
Man, I appreciate that buddy.
Yeah I had a woman one time tell me that I should not do that. I'm like come on people grow up
Weird, ain't it.
It's felony in oregon not to turn in Indian artifacts
That would suck. Like I said- don't break the law. And the real fact here is I rarely find "Indian" artifacts.
They get over it they take the artifacts and stuff them away and people never see them or can enjoy them so tuff luck they don’t tell the truth about history anyway.
FACT right there.
There will probably never even be enough funding for archaeologist to excavate all this stuff anyway. They could try to educate people instead of looking down on them.
Man, that is a FACT. Thanks.
She? Indiana State University? That one prefers they get destroyed by farm equipment.
No one will see them if amateur collectors pick them up, so people will walk fields to see them?
Apparently!
Most of them want to put the artifact in a shelf in their office Never to be seen again by the public. I've did some extensive research to find a site here locally not far from my home. Most are under developments and supermarkets and roads here. But this one isn't which is rare. I went to ask permission from a landowner, upon arriving I knew the answer was going to be no by the vehicle they drove. I ask anyway, he said he had a archeologist out there and that I wouldn't find anything anyway. I thought, Wow how does he know what I may find. Your not finding evidence sitting on the sofa that is for sure.
Man, that's a FACT. Thanks!