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Poor Lady Flora Hastings. Even after a physical examination, proving she wasn't pregnant, her reputation was ruined. The least Victoria could do was apologize privately to the bereaved family.
Cervical cancer would present as a baby. So sad, not only illness but shunned. Did man or woman make this oppression of women? Honor killings etc make me think men did. They kill the rape victim not the rapist!
I think Victoria and Albert had a very satisfying physical relationship even though it led to many pregnancies. Had reliable birth control been available, there probably would have fewer children as Victoria was said to be not fond of babies.
I'm 65 and come from a very small family, I was an only child as is my son. I did a family tree and it was absolutely gobsmacking to me to see that it was typical before @70 years ago most women regularly had between 9 to 14 children. We really do have so many more important choices now than in virtually any other time in history. I think that the choice not to give birth and then try to raise 13 or 14 children is the best one.
Victoria enjoyed the pleasures of married life, but not the consequences of it. Victoria hated being pregnant, delivering and raising children. She compared children under a year old to frogs. Was moody and temperamental so much that at times Albert communicated with her by sending her notes. Albert was the force behind the throne. When he died she was lost. Meeting John Brown after Albert died did her much good, although she mourned him the rest of her life.
Albert wasn't the force behind the throne, stop it. He was very supportive and a good husband, but he wasn't the force behind it all. Victoria's golden age didn't start UNTIL Albert died. As good as he was as a husband, he still held her back quite a lot. It wasn't until he died that she started making great changes that forever changed the course of history
I imagine that the lack of pain management, prenatal vitamins and access to modes of exercise to assist with healing must have taken a huge physical toll with each pregnancy. Not to mention that Victoria as monarch was considered "public property" and would doubtless have had all kinds of prying MALE ministers, doctors and courtiers being inappropriate and stomping over whatever physical boundaries she managed to have - especially with the hemophilia gene she passed on to three of her children. Not much happiness associated with pregnancy and childbirth for her, or many other women of the era 🤷🏼
Victoria & Albert it was obvious she loved him totally and never got over his death till she passed away. Thank you for sharing this wonderful documentary I enjoyed it so much.
The secret to a fulfilled life is to have true love. My parents had it for 60 plus years and after my mother passed my father could never think of another... He passed 10 years later... I'd like to add that since my fathers passing, both of my older brothers have cut me from their lives and I miss them every day! I'm adopted but I honestly don't know if this is the reason. Every birthday and Christmas I sent them a message but I get nothing in return... I live in hope that maybe.... one day.. they may reply.
I'm sorry for your loss, and for the way your brothers are treating you. I can relate very well to your situation, and I hope one day your brothers will embrace you in their lives again.
You really are a great person. Your siblings not so much. I wish from the bottom of my heart that you find a beautiful family of your own. You deserve the best.
My Polish grandmother was asked in the decade after her husband died . . . why she never dated? She replied in Polish (sorry I don't know how you say this in Polish) She said, "Why eat bread when you've had cake."
Why is it that the revelation that Victoria enjoyed sexual relations with her husband makes her in modern eyes almost a nymphomaniac? She wasn't at all!
Knowing she was totally locked up as a child and had an awful mother I dont even wonder. One of my highschool classmate as soon went to college from her very strick parents started to prey on other girl's boyfriends as a maniac🤦🏼♀️
I absolutely love British documentaries. They are so interesting and one learns quite a bit of English history. I like learning different time eras of British history.
Well, just keep an open mind with what you watch. There are still many exaggerations and untruths told, even in quite well produced and well regarded royal docos, unfortunately.
I think that we what you call having blinders on and just doing what you have to do .You want to help other people but can't . I am talking about the Queen Victoria here Lol
I doubt it because she was the queen. She did not know the feeling. She no doubt set a standard to be followed. How could she say anything less or more?
Her marriage wasn't so happy either being coerced to get pregnant so often. No she wasn't a good queen for other women and don't forget the Lady Flora ordeal
Probably not, because she needed the men in power on her side. She needed them in good favour. Speaking out against them would only piss them off. Their wives had no power, supporting women would be politically foolish
"She must've had pheromones coming out of her ear" No, she was just highly intelligent and could hold up a conversation like a man; which at that time was still unusual. Cleopatra was the same, not a physically attractive woman in reality, but everyone was crazy about her and saw her as more beautiful than she was physically simply because of how intelligent she was
I’ve read some of her journal entries about Albert. They were tremendously in love, they made love all the time, and she adored Albert and he adored her. And yes, she thought breastfeeding was gross and babies were weird but don’t get it twisted, she didn’t hate children, she just thought the whole childbirth/breastfeeding baby thing was weird and kind of gross to her, but I’m pretty sure she still loved her children.
She most definitely didn’t like children. When one of her daughters told her she wished she could spend more time with her husband Victoria responded,”Now you know why I never wanted you children around, I wished it was just me and Albert.” When one of her other daughters confided in Victoria after the death of her baby she responded, “The death of a husband is much worse than that of a child’s.” Albert was more scared of Victoria than anything. When she would fly into rages, he would make sure to stay away from her rooms and only communicate with her by letters. Victoria had an unhealthy obsession with Albert. He would sometimes just want to sit and talk with her but she would constantly pester him for sex. She wanted it so much to where Albert had to install locks on their bedroom door out of fear that one of the kids would walk in on them in the act.
Queen Victoria was definitely a Narcissist. Before her first baby was born she wrote to her Uncle saying if it was a girl, she would drown it.. she decided to keep the baby and wrote: the next one will be a boy. When Albert died she very selfishly wanted her youngest, Beatrice by her side to keep her company. She also said in the letter to her Uncle that babies were a little more than plants the first few years.
@@destinyclark4133 if he was so afraid of Victoria why did he commisioned a vulgar statue of himself and gifted it to Victoria, but victoria thought the statue might be too crazy to be displayed and hid it somewhere else. he didn't have to go to such length if he didn't like victoria back even upstaging it, and he never had mistress, in his position of power and wealth! women be throwing themselves at him. they like to exchange gifts too, Albert's gifts were more thoughtful, like tiara he designed himself, etc
@@angelabby2379 I never said he didn’t care about her at all, he obviously did but that doesn’t rule out the fact that he didn’t like her rages, hastiness, jealousy, and possessiveness over him.
I’ve watched many movies about Victoria. As a young Queen she’s just enchanting. But then when you hear how much she loathed children is mind blowing. But she’s the one who introduced morphine to women as a painkiller during childbirth & I’m here for that. She hated breastfeeding bc like she stated, “I’m not a cow.” Yes ma’am lol She also expected her adult daughters to stay with her until she died. She blamed her rebellious son for his own father’s untimely death. Could you imagine her as a normal citizen? Hating children lol
Wonderful documentary. Great ads as well, all 8 of them. They were so fascinating, informative, erudite and enlightening. Sometimes I thought: "What a pity, we're going back to the programme after watching an exciting ad on floor mops. Thanks!
So much conflicting information in this video from books I've read over decades on Royalty. Victoria met Albert 3-4 yrs before marrying him & were strong pen pals throughout. It was her uncle Leopold I Belgian King (Victoria's mother's brother) who pushed the match. It was also widely believed & written about... that Queen Victoria blamed her son for giving Albert Typhoid, not anything to do with his sexual dalliances.
Well, she supposedly blamed her son for Albert’s death because Albert had to go visit the Prince of Wales to remonstrate with him for an affair, and she believed he caught the Typhoid on that trip. So it was tied up with Bertie’s dalliances in that way.
@@liliancaran5364 That was Leopold II of Belgium, the second son of Leopold 1st. Leopold 1st of Belgium was Victoria's and Albert's distant relative (i.e. the youngest son of Duke Francis of Saxe- Coburg-Saalfeld) He fought against Napoleon for Russia (in the alliance against Napoleon ... younger sons often went into service for another king) Leopold married Charlotte of Wales, (i.e. the daughter of George iv of UK) Princess Charlotte of Wales was the only (legitimate) and very much-loved child of George iv and his estranged wife, Caroline of Brunswick. Anyhow, after their marriage, Leopold 1st was made the king (in 1831) of the new country of Belgium. During the post-Napoleonic, wars, Congress of Vienna (1815), reconfiguration of Europe, Belgium became an independent country in 1830. Had Princess Charlotte survived childbirth (d. in 1817), she would have been the Queen of UK, not Victoria. [Victoria ruled 1837 - 1901]
I am only 2 minutes into this video so I am not sure what they are claiming but your account matches closely to what I have read. QVic met Albert a few years prior at Leopold's behest, they were both immediately attracted to each other and knew right away they did want to marry each other but she wanted him to focus on his education for a few more years so he could better handle being consort of England, so they remained pen pals, then she invited him to England for a visit and she purposed to him, several months later they married. Leopold didn't try to force her to marry him but he played matchmaker and suggested the union between the two. Grand Duke Alexander Nikolayevich, who became Emperor Alexander 2 of Russia also tried courting Queen Victoria
And it was messed up but it is well known Victoria absolutely did blame Albert's death on her son Prince Albert Edward aka Bertie and him having an affair with Nellie Clifden while he was away at camp in Dublin with the Grenadier Guards after his engagement to Princess Alexandra had taken place. Albert himself arranged Bertie and Alexandra's marriage and it was an important dynastic match. Albert was reportedly furious that Bertie would risk ruining what he created and went to Cambridge to set Bertie straight. While at Cambridge him and Bertie had a long chat while walking in the rain, Albert became very ill once he returned home and never recovered, 2 weeks later he died. Now, Albert wasn't feeling great before he left for the trip but that fact seemed to elude the grief struck Victoria. For years Victoria didn't want to be in his presence. Victoria and Bertie had a troubled relationship for several years prior to Albert's death because Victoria always compared him to Albert and in her eyes Bertie didn't measure up. Victoria was always seemingly disappointed that her and Albert couldn't mold Bertie into a mini Albert that would eventually become a perfect monarch. Alexandra went through with the marriage despite the Nellie Clifden ordeal and despite the fact that Bertie reportedly slept with at least 4 different women a week up until his old age, including Alice Keppel who is Camilla Parker Bowels's great great grandmother. Yes, Prince Charles's great great grandfather and Camilla's great great grandmother we're hooking up
I never thought I would enjoy a documentaire about old Queen Victoria but I not only enjoyed this but I now heavily respect this old girl and want to know more about her...who knew she was this incrédule...God bless Queen Victoria 💕💜💓👑💕💜💖
Nice reenactments peppered into the ancient documents and narrative.Osborne House is the good time home remembered by the then exiled Kaiser Wilhelm in his autobiography. Who was very nostalgic of his British Grandmother. He wrote very emotionally about the wonderful memories he kept from his visits at Osborne with Victoria being his beloved host.
It’s moreso that they were *presented* as having a happy family, right? Because the documentary goes on to talk about how she wasn’t fond of having kids and how they defied sexual norms. It’s only because they were the royals that they were spared the effects of a puritan society that the other couples in the documentary faced.
No one smiled in photographs are posing for statues back then and by the time she was that age even if people were smiling and her later life she was from the day when they did not. Victoria wrote in her diaries how much joy and pleasure she had while being intimate with her beloved husband Alfred married for love when they remained in love that's why they had nine babies. The Royals that had multiple births were usually very much in love.
The flora hastings affair was monstrous. Victoria was only ever popular and prudent when she had Albert's steady hand to guide her. Shortly before his death he intervened to prevent Britain from siding with the confederacy during our Civil War. He had a great statesmans prudence and foresight. It's no wonder Victoria lamented his loss so long. She was quite inadequate without him.
@@electricdreams9446 Not only was she young, but she had been inspected humiliatingly and certified pure and still Victoria dismissed her. Cruel...very cruel.
I was born in the 90s. I’m glad I was born then rather than in Victoria’s time. I love learning about the time era but it would’ve felt suffocating to live in I imagine.
I remember reading in a book about how Albert and her were trying to offset her “unspeakable uncles”😂. I thought that was so funny. But Albert was very upright, and moral, personally, too. They were devoted to each other.
John Brown's relationship with Victoria doesn't seem to be romantic or sexual at least to me. They seem to be close friends, I heard it was John that helped Victoria get out of her depression from losing Albert.
No their relationship was one of deep friendship but not sexual. Her children used to jokingly refer to him as "Mama's lover" - if they actually had been lovers, it would have been no joke. Victoria had a codependent personality - she wrote in her journal how nice it was to have a "man about the house" - she just wanted someone to look after her and be a barrier between her and the world.
I doubt very seriously it was a physical relationship, I mean can you IMAGINE if she fell pregnant? I can’t see her taking that chance, no matter how much she may have wanted to. But whatever it was, it was intense. She was even buried with his picture and some other trinket of his. That right there says a LOT.
31 minutes into this & I must say that I very much enjoy the comparison of Caroline/Victoria & the head-space of that day. Ir's a creative way to express this story. Thanks!
14:36 -- "No escape for Caroline"..."Divorce was virtually impossible." Divorce was virtually impossible, but separation was not. In English law, for at least 150 years before Caroline Sheridan's time, a woman, at least an aristocratic / affluent woman, could easily procure a separation from her husband. Man and woman remained husband and wife, but could live apart and often did. For aristocratic women who were matrimonially unhappy this was a fairly unproblematic objective. By the 18th century most aristocratic women had their own wealth ("separate estate") which could not be alienated from them. In addition the husband was expected to award his separated wife some kind of an allowance ("maintenance"). In Victoria's time, a wife could obtain a unilateral ("summary") separation from her husband, who was legally obliged to pay the administration fees and to maintain his wife in her accustomed style. I do not know what Caroline Sheridan's problem was, or why a woman of her status couldn't just walk out (her husband could not legally hold her prisoner), but the problem was not a legal or, presumably, a financial one.
Perhaps the threat of violence. We don’t know. This wasn’t just unhappiness, it was an abusive relationship, so we are not aware of the context not documented in historical libraries.
My grandmother, born in 1887, was inspirational to me. At 14 she told me she and my beloved grandfather who died when I was 10 had made love the week before he died. At the time I was shocked first that she would talk about such a thing...I knew the basic biology of sex but nothing more and was startled. As I grew up, I was less and less so. I had seen my grandparents holding hands on the sofa watching TV, little pecks on the cheek, demonstrativeness.I thought that was cute and sweet.What a lovely role model they set me. Later when I studied human sexuality in grad school as a requirement to becoming a clinical psychologist I already realized sexual love could last a lifetime due y grandmother...as it has for me. It is a shame Victoria was not presented with options for contraception....and the level.of ignorance even about female anatomy still is a shame. There are recent findings about the anatomical structures involved in orgasm in women that are little known, even by health professionals. Once one knows the anatomy....internal structures recently discovered looking very like an orchid, alot becomes clearer. Sybil Francis PhD clinical.psychologist and professor since 1979
I feel so bad for the loss of Queen Victoria late husband. She truly loved him dearly and must have been extremely been heartbroken 💔 at his loss. Poor dear woman.
She wasn’t accused of being secretly married to Abdul Karim though was she, like she was with Brown? I think that’s what made Brown relevant to the theme of this program.
Love this documentary,different take on the usual information on Victoria and Albert lfe together since they present how times were changing when Victoria became queen.
❤ Poor Victoria, by the time the 5th kid came along, developed a prolapsed uterus which would have made intercourse incredibly painful. Not sure if it’s historic rumor but there are several accounts of Albert’s elder male advisors (German) to “keep her pregnant” so he could increase his role and decision making opportunities in the Monarchy ie; have more “control” over Victoria’s Queen-ship.
I am a mature gay man, and I am also a journalist and a closet historian. I have always been horrified by how women were treated in the 19th century. Frankly, they had more freedom from the 11th to the 18th century. They could have their own business (brewery was very common and even prostitution was considered a very prosperous business). It was the Puritans that put an end to women's freedom. While Victoria and Albert had fabulous sex and surrounded themselves with pornographic art and sculpture, the rest of society was locked in a hypocritical sexual grip. Extremely troubling.
I always wondered why these Mistresses would willingly have sexual relations with upperclass men or men in line to be Dukes and Kings and wouldn't demand marriage considering all the obvious benefits.Why didn't the Uncles rush to produce legitimate heirs? As far as the illegitimate children is sounds as if they were not considered human and the fathers didn't have to assume no responsibility for their offspring. What happen in terms of survival to all those children?
It was a legitimate way to raise someone's station in life even if you were not a wife. Being a mistress of a wealthy married man had benefits such as increased social class, some got pensions or property in old age, in roads to more political power or having the ability to get relatives into certain positions. Many families would push their daughter into being a mistress (and of course some were pressured by the duke or king). And sometimes bastards would be legitimized and get inheritance. Sometimes they were discarded but many bastards were given titles and land. It was also expected in some circles to have a mistress
For an heir to be legitimate they couldn't come from a morganotic relationship. If you married beneath your class you gave up your title and your place in the line of succession. Victoria's uncles were already older, several were not on good terms with their legitimate wives, some of the wives were already too old to produce an heir, some had legitimate heirs they just didn't survive
And some illegitimate children were given titles of nobility, land, a duchy, a cushy military/political career and an estate but they still weren't in line to inherit the throne. There's a big difference between a title of nobility and a title of royalty
History is beyond your tiny realm. The known universe is tens of billions years outside of human capability to develop a brain lol. In our tiny selfie absorbed planet self destructing ignorance, covid will hopefully cull the selfish, from caring people
God, I would love a man around like John Brown. I doubt he would have been disrespectful of a woman's agency regardless if a woman in his company was the Queen or not.
Condoms were not so reliable nor as comfortable for the man. Men don't like using them even now. People have no idea what it was like back then. Each month the girls were relieved when they menstrual
It would have caused a scandal if the public and parliament found out they were using condoms. Back then condoms were seen as improper and only people of ill repute used them.
I feel badly for Flora, but… the Hastings family participated in that “Kensington System” bs hoping to piggyback their way to power. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes🤷🏻♀️
22:34 -- "A woman who separated from her husband had no rights, no rights to property." Absolutely false. She had every right to her own property in the form of a "married woman's separate estate," bestowed on her at marriage. Also, as a (merely) separated (not a divorced) woman, she also had a right to be maintained by her husband. George Norton and Caroline Sheridan were still husband and wife under the law. Yes, George Norton kept the children with him, because it was the father's legal duty to take responsibility for their education. If Caroline was not permitted to see them, that was presumably because of her husband's brutality, not because the law forbade it.
After 1870 there was a new law "Married women's property act". Before that a woman's assets would go to her husband. The upper classes had marriage contracts which gave the wives some income, but a woman needed a father or male guardian to make such a contract in her favor.
@@andreabartels9532 Essentially, the Married Woman's Property Act meant that women could keep the earnings of their own labours. This would have been a boon to middle class / industrial working class urban women, but it would have been irrelevant to aristocratic women (like Caroline Norton) who didn't earn anything because they rarely undertook gainful employment. However, under the "Separate Estate" system, which developed in the late 16th century, an aristocratic woman upon her marriage was awarded (either by her family or her husband, but usually both), sources of wealth (in either investments or rents or both) the proceeds of which were hers and hers alone for the duration of her life (Jane Austen alludes to this in "Pride and Prejudice"). The husband had no claim on them. Caroline Norton would certainly have had such a settlement. Please see Alison Anna Tait, "The Beginning and the End of Coverture: A Reappraisal of the Married Woman's Separate Estate", Yale Journal of Law and Feminism 26:2 (2014).
That's because you're thinking of the older Victoria, after she put on heaps of weight. Victoria was actually quite pretty as a teenager and in her twenties. She had a slender figure, long light brown hair, large blue eyes and a pink and white complexion. She didn't really put on weight until her thirties, after her pregnancies, and then really piled it on after she lost Albert at age 42.Albert was also very handsome as a young man, it was only as he got older that he got tubby and bald.
Sounds like this trait was passed on to the now queen’s son, Andrew. Sleazy and preys on younger children. George as an abusive bully and he got away with the abuse.
Honestly, still don't get it why a lady could not have examined her??? I mean given the nature of those times, yes, no women were certified doctors/physicians but there were nurses who could've done the examination and described it. It was bound to have been an ugly affair, regardless of Lady Flora's "innocence". I don't see how Victoria is so blinded by such rumours to not have considered the humiliation / discomfort and backlash.
To put it bluntly, Victoria was very naive and easily led in the early years of her reign. She was willing to believe rumours simply because Lord Melbourne said so, and I don't think the thought that he could be wrong or that there might be backlash, even crossed her mind. Victoria was allegedly appalled when it was reported to her that Lady Flora had died of liver cancer, as it dawned on her just how badly she'd messed up. A harsh lesson and one unfortunately learned too late..
This is what true love us!!! When u find your real soul mate . Very rare . 90 % of relationships and marriages are incompatible and unhappy . When u find true love u never let it go!!!!!
Victoria may cared for making babies, but not for being pregnant or taking care of her children. She wanted Albert all to her self, as she confessed to her oldest daughter Vicky in a letter, and was jealous and resented her children for taking to much of Albert's time.
Here I am in 2021 and still can't live up to Victoria and Albert's marriage lol. The double standards between men and women on fidelity and sexuality is infuriating, not that we are equal even now. This women's lives were ruined without facts.
I have read a great deal about this time period. I even have a playlist dedicated to all of the books I’ve read about Historical Fiction About Women. There are a few books about Queen Victoria in there. I love books.
Thank God these women were there through painful dedication to slowly prepare the world for female evolution, independence, freedom and recognition. We owe them a lot.
She was a horrible mother and queen who did not bother to help the people who needed it. He slept around and was not loyal to her. She abandoned all her children. If that is what you want then fine be stupid and go for it!
@@jessicapearson9479 there is no evidence Prince Albert was unfaithful. Quite the opposite. Evidence suggests he did not believe in sex outside of marriage. I think there is plenty to suggest that Victoria could be a critical critical mother, but her personal diaries reveal that she also loved her children, thought about them constantly and was deeply interested in their lives. To dismiss her as a bad mother is to ignore any other evidence. As we do with women in the public eye, we tend to focus on absence and not affection. There are letters between Victoria and the Queen of Portugal. Letters that are almost entirely devoted to their children. They wrote each other about the joy they had in their children and the pain giving birth to them. Additionally, let’s not forget, it was a different time. To hold a woman of that time accountable to the standards of today is ridiculous.
There is a saying that a child whose parents hold a grand passion for each other is an orphan. It's a shame that Victoria could never take comfort or joy from her children.
Victoria had first met her cousins Albert and Ernest 3 years before the visit that resulted in Victoria's proposal of marriage. He had not impressed her, being fat and sluggish. But he was her cousin and the Saxe-Cobourg clan (her mother and Leopold King of the Belgians às well as their mutual brother, Albert's father) had wanted the marriage. So Albert got a 3 years period of " finishing" and Victoria agreed to consider Albert again. When she saw the new improved Albert, she fell in love.
One Viceroy of India during the nineteenth century was a certain Lord Curzon, who was married to an American woman. Not long into the marriage, he was with his wife in the depth of the marriage-bed enjoying his conjugal rights, when he became aware that his wife was enjoying herself too. He stopped the proceeding to tell her that " Madame, ladies do not move ". It could be that there is not a shred of truth in this story, but who cares.
That sounds about right, unfortunately. Ladies were told that they were to act as "receptacles for their husband's seed" and no more. The cliche of "close your eyes and think of England" was actually rooted in reality, as girls were taught in upper class ladies' colleges "While a lady must endure the unpleasant duty of the nuptial couch, take comfort in the fact that you are pleasing your husband and bringing a new Briton into the world. If you find the experience too dreadful to bear, close your eyes and think of England."
I am an anglophile from way back. My mind has changed about Victoria. I think she was emotionally & and mentally not well. She abused her children all their lives. She would boink old Alfred rather than look at her kids. She was addicted to him & to sex. After he died she as much as ignored her Realm and people. I am also sort of finished with Royalty . Stay Calm & PISS OFF🤴💂♂
Okay, King William had left his womanizing years behind when victoria was born. He was married, and had a tragic childbirth history with his wife, and they had a great realtionship as she was a good influence on him, getting him to drink, curse and eat less. They lost many babies, and Victoria had one legitimate cousin, son of her father's younger brother. If it wasn't for her birth, he would have been king.
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Her statue needs some serious restoration.
Poor Lady Flora Hastings. Even after a physical examination, proving she wasn't pregnant, her reputation was ruined. The least Victoria could do was apologize privately to the bereaved family.
I feel the same thoughts. Lady Flora must have felt devastated by being abused. What a difficult time for women and the poor children
A Queen would not apologize. Ever.
Cervical cancer would present as a baby. So sad, not only illness but shunned. Did man or woman make this oppression of women? Honor killings etc make me think men did. They kill the rape victim not the rapist!
Queens do not apologize!!!👑
Victoria was the queen and she felt that she did not have to apologize even though she was wrong.
I think Victoria and Albert had a very satisfying physical relationship even though it led to many pregnancies. Had reliable birth control been available, there probably would have fewer children as Victoria was said to be not fond of babies.
Obviously
Really? No body knew! Unless we watched all realiable non mericanlised documentaries over the decades together
Yeah. Had the concept of contraception existed back then, they may have stopped after Alice or Alfred since an heir and a spare were there.
Xq
I'm 65 and come from a very small family, I was an only child as is my son. I did a family tree and it was absolutely gobsmacking to me to see that it was typical before @70 years ago most women regularly had between 9 to 14 children. We really do have so many more important choices now than in virtually any other time in history. I think that the choice not to give birth and then try to raise 13 or 14 children is the best one.
Victoria enjoyed the pleasures of married life, but not the consequences of it. Victoria hated being pregnant, delivering and raising children. She compared children under a year old to frogs. Was moody and temperamental so much that at times Albert communicated with her by sending her notes. Albert was the force behind the throne. When he died she was lost. Meeting John Brown after Albert died did her much good, although she mourned him the rest of her life.
Many women with famous men were high maintenance tyrants eg, Mary Todd Lincoln.
She was right about pregnancy and kids lol
Albert wasn't the force behind the throne, stop it. He was very supportive and a good husband, but he wasn't the force behind it all. Victoria's golden age didn't start UNTIL Albert died. As good as he was as a husband, he still held her back quite a lot. It wasn't until he died that she started making great changes that forever changed the course of history
I imagine that the lack of pain management, prenatal vitamins and access to modes of exercise to assist with healing must have taken a huge physical toll with each pregnancy. Not to mention that Victoria as monarch was considered "public property" and would doubtless have had all kinds of prying MALE ministers, doctors and courtiers being inappropriate and stomping over whatever physical boundaries she managed to have - especially with the hemophilia gene she passed on to three of her children. Not much happiness associated with pregnancy and childbirth for her, or many other women of the era 🤷🏼
If there had been birth control in the 1830s and 1840s their would have been 2 to 4 children not 9
Victoria & Albert it was obvious she loved him totally and never got over his death till she passed away. Thank you for sharing this wonderful documentary I enjoyed it so much.
The secret to a fulfilled life is to have true love. My parents had it for 60 plus years and after my mother passed my father could never think of another... He passed 10 years later... I'd like to add that since my fathers passing, both of my older brothers have cut me from their lives and I miss them every day! I'm adopted but I honestly don't know if this is the reason. Every birthday and Christmas I sent them a message but I get nothing in return... I live in hope that maybe.... one day.. they may reply.
You're a good person
I'm sorry for your loss, and for the way your brothers are treating you. I can relate very well to your situation, and I hope one day your brothers will embrace you in their lives again.
You really are a great person. Your siblings not so much.
I wish from the bottom of my heart that you find a beautiful family of your own. You deserve the best.
❤
My Polish grandmother was asked in the decade after her husband died . . . why she never dated? She replied in Polish (sorry I don't know how you say this in Polish) She said, "Why eat bread when you've had cake."
Why is it that the revelation that Victoria enjoyed sexual relations with her husband makes her in modern eyes almost a nymphomaniac? She wasn't at all!
It's the image of the pious, chaste and not so open faced Victorian era.
Knowing she was totally locked up as a child and had an awful mother I dont even wonder. One of my highschool classmate as soon went to college from her very strick parents started to prey on other girl's boyfriends as a maniac🤦🏼♀️
And Really?? Nobody ever heard of a "Prince Albert"?? the double ring cock knob piercing? Supposedly named after..
I absolutely love British documentaries. They are so interesting and one learns quite a bit of English history. I like learning different time eras of British history.
Ignorance is bliss. Gods are African american iron chain and beatings, rampages infincidal homeland to alien land acceptance?
@@dba750 Zzzzz
Yes. Very interesting how they all slept with their own relatives.
@@marymarth7298 zzzzzzz
Well, just keep an open mind with what you watch. There are still many exaggerations and untruths told, even in quite well produced and well regarded royal docos, unfortunately.
It’s good Albert was a good dad cuz Victoria was really messed up as a mother
Yes. She was crazy. Who could be so cold?
She was a loser of a mother.
So sad..unfortunately she couldn’t be CF
Not every mother has maternal instincts.
How could she be, considering the way her mother was.
To regain her lost popularity perhaps she should have shown kindness and caring for her friend.
Did Victoria ever address these attitudes towards women? She no doubt knew that not all women were as lucky as she was to have that happy marriage
I think that we what you call having blinders on and just doing what you have to do .You want to help other people but can't . I am talking about the Queen Victoria here Lol
I doubt it because she was the queen. She did not know the feeling. She no doubt set a standard to be followed. How could she say anything less or more?
Her marriage wasn't so happy either being coerced to get pregnant so often. No she wasn't a good queen for other women and don't forget the Lady Flora ordeal
Albert died at age 42 and She never remarried but was rumored to have had many lovers.
Probably not, because she needed the men in power on her side. She needed them in good favour. Speaking out against them would only piss them off. Their wives had no power, supporting women would be politically foolish
“Victoria had a bunch of sleazy uncles.” 😂🤭😅
Ugly ones, too!
@@willowbark5649 Haha! Ugly people need love too 🤪
I know , too funny 😂
@@Tamar-sz8ox The Brits are so blunt and hilarious 😂
Great name for a rock band
A BUNCH of SLEEZY UNCLES
Rock on dudes.
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"She must've had pheromones coming out of her ear" No, she was just highly intelligent and could hold up a conversation like a man; which at that time was still unusual. Cleopatra was the same, not a physically attractive woman in reality, but everyone was crazy about her and saw her as more beautiful than she was physically simply because of how intelligent she was
So sad about Flora.
I’ve read some of her journal entries about Albert. They were tremendously in love, they made love all the time, and she adored Albert and he adored her. And yes, she thought breastfeeding was gross and babies were weird but don’t get it twisted, she didn’t hate children, she just thought the whole childbirth/breastfeeding baby thing was weird and kind of gross to her, but I’m pretty sure she still loved her children.
She most definitely didn’t like children. When one of her daughters told her she wished she could spend more time with her husband Victoria responded,”Now you know why I never wanted you children around, I wished it was just me and Albert.” When one of her other daughters confided in Victoria after the death of her baby she responded, “The death of a husband is much worse than that of a child’s.” Albert was more scared of Victoria than anything. When she would fly into rages, he would make sure to stay away from her rooms and only communicate with her by letters. Victoria had an unhealthy obsession with Albert.
He would sometimes just want to sit and talk with her but she would constantly pester him for sex. She wanted it so much to where Albert had to install locks on their bedroom door out of fear that one of the kids would walk in on them in the act.
@@destinyclark4133 Good god I had a feeling their relationship was toxic
Queen Victoria was definitely a Narcissist. Before her first baby was born she wrote to her Uncle saying if it was a girl, she would drown it.. she decided to keep the baby and wrote: the next one will be a boy. When Albert died she very selfishly wanted her youngest, Beatrice by her side to keep her company.
She also said in the letter to her Uncle that babies were a little more than plants the first few years.
@@destinyclark4133 if he was so afraid of Victoria why did he commisioned a vulgar statue of himself and gifted it to Victoria, but victoria thought the statue might be too crazy to be displayed and hid it somewhere else.
he didn't have to go to such length if he didn't like victoria back even upstaging it, and he never had mistress, in his position of power and wealth! women be throwing themselves at him.
they like to exchange gifts too, Albert's gifts were more thoughtful, like tiara he designed himself, etc
@@angelabby2379 I never said he didn’t care about her at all, he obviously did but that doesn’t rule out the fact that he didn’t like her rages, hastiness, jealousy, and possessiveness over him.
I’ve watched many movies about Victoria. As a young Queen she’s just enchanting. But then when you hear how much she loathed children is mind blowing. But she’s the one who introduced morphine to women as a painkiller during childbirth & I’m here for that. She hated breastfeeding bc like she stated, “I’m not a cow.” Yes ma’am lol She also expected her adult daughters to stay with her until she died. She blamed her rebellious son for his own father’s untimely death. Could you imagine her as a normal citizen? Hating children lol
It can’t go unnoticed how much they look like each other. More like siblings than cousins. Interesting.
Due to inbreeding among various family lines, they were probably genetically closer than most 1st cousins would be under a normal circumstance.
Yes and agreed.
@@pattih2732 Inbreeding was the common practice back then.
Yes, I know. My comment was an obvious observation of how they look closer than cousins.
Very closely related that’s why!
Wonderful documentary. Great ads as well, all 8 of them. They were so fascinating, informative, erudite and enlightening. Sometimes I thought: "What a pity, we're going back to the programme after watching an exciting ad on floor mops. Thanks!
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Stop complaining and pay the monthly fee.
@@susie2366 Who's complaining? I said everything's wonderful!
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So much conflicting information in this video from books I've read over decades on Royalty. Victoria met Albert 3-4 yrs before marrying him & were strong pen pals throughout. It was her uncle Leopold I Belgian King (Victoria's mother's brother) who pushed the match. It was also widely believed & written about... that Queen Victoria blamed her son for giving Albert Typhoid, not anything to do with his sexual dalliances.
Well, she supposedly blamed her son for Albert’s death because Albert had to go visit the Prince of Wales to remonstrate with him for an affair, and she believed he caught the Typhoid on that trip. So it was tied up with Bertie’s dalliances in that way.
Wow Leopold I was one of the most evil men to ever walk the Earth
@@liliancaran5364
That was Leopold II of Belgium, the
second son of Leopold 1st.
Leopold 1st of Belgium was Victoria's
and Albert's distant relative (i.e. the
youngest son of Duke Francis of Saxe-
Coburg-Saalfeld) He fought against
Napoleon for Russia (in the alliance
against Napoleon ... younger sons
often went into service for another
king)
Leopold married Charlotte of Wales,
(i.e. the daughter of George iv of UK)
Princess Charlotte of Wales was the
only (legitimate) and very much-loved
child of George iv and his estranged
wife, Caroline of Brunswick.
Anyhow, after their marriage, Leopold
1st was made the king (in 1831) of the
new country of Belgium.
During the post-Napoleonic, wars,
Congress of Vienna (1815),
reconfiguration of Europe, Belgium
became an independent country in
1830.
Had Princess Charlotte survived
childbirth (d. in 1817), she would
have been the Queen of UK, not
Victoria.
[Victoria ruled 1837 - 1901]
I am only 2 minutes into this video so I am not sure what they are claiming but your account matches closely to what I have read. QVic met Albert a few years prior at Leopold's behest, they were both immediately attracted to each other and knew right away they did want to marry each other but she wanted him to focus on his education for a few more years so he could better handle being consort of England, so they remained pen pals, then she invited him to England for a visit and she purposed to him, several months later they married. Leopold didn't try to force her to marry him but he played matchmaker and suggested the union between the two. Grand Duke Alexander Nikolayevich, who became Emperor Alexander 2 of Russia also tried courting Queen Victoria
And it was messed up but it is well known Victoria absolutely did blame Albert's death on her son Prince Albert Edward aka Bertie and him having an affair with Nellie Clifden while he was away at camp in Dublin with the Grenadier Guards after his engagement to Princess Alexandra had taken place. Albert himself arranged Bertie and Alexandra's marriage and it was an important dynastic match. Albert was reportedly furious that Bertie would risk ruining what he created and went to Cambridge to set Bertie straight. While at Cambridge him and Bertie had a long chat while walking in the rain, Albert became very ill once he returned home and never recovered, 2 weeks later he died. Now, Albert wasn't feeling great before he left for the trip but that fact seemed to elude the grief struck Victoria. For years Victoria didn't want to be in his presence. Victoria and Bertie had a troubled relationship for several years prior to Albert's death because Victoria always compared him to Albert and in her eyes Bertie didn't measure up. Victoria was always seemingly disappointed that her and Albert couldn't mold Bertie into a mini Albert that would eventually become a perfect monarch. Alexandra went through with the marriage despite the Nellie Clifden ordeal and despite the fact that Bertie reportedly slept with at least 4 different women a week up until his old age, including Alice Keppel who is Camilla Parker Bowels's great great grandmother. Yes, Prince Charles's great great grandfather and Camilla's great great grandmother we're hooking up
I never thought I would enjoy a documentaire about old Queen Victoria but I not only enjoyed this but I now heavily respect this old girl and want to know more about her...who knew she was this incrédule...God bless Queen Victoria 💕💜💓👑💕💜💖
Nice reenactments peppered into the ancient documents and narrative.Osborne House is the good time home remembered by the then exiled Kaiser Wilhelm in his autobiography. Who was very nostalgic of his British Grandmother. He wrote very emotionally about the wonderful memories he kept from his visits at Osborne with Victoria being his beloved host.
It bugs me how they phrased this documentary like Victoria maliciously had a happy family in order to torment her people.
It’s moreso that they were *presented* as having a happy family, right? Because the documentary goes on to talk about how she wasn’t fond of having kids and how they defied sexual norms. It’s only because they were the royals that they were spared the effects of a puritan society that the other couples in the documentary faced.
How romantic. One can only dream of a romance like this one.
No one smiled in photographs are posing for statues back then and by the time she was that age even if people were smiling and her later life she was from the day when they did not. Victoria wrote in her diaries how much joy and pleasure she had while being intimate with her beloved husband Alfred married for love when they remained in love that's why they had nine babies. The Royals that had multiple births were usually very much in love.
*albert
Cameras in these days had a very slow shutter speed. Movement caused blurring. Smiles don’t hold long. Stoic expressions were better.
The flora hastings affair was monstrous. Victoria was only ever popular and prudent when she had Albert's steady hand to guide her. Shortly before his death he intervened to prevent Britain from siding with the confederacy during our Civil War. He had a great statesmans prudence and foresight. It's no wonder Victoria lamented his loss so long. She was quite inadequate without him.
Had Britain intervened in the civil war that pretty much would have guaranteed America joining the Central Powers.
Albert was definitely a steadying hand. Victoria was one of those women who struggle without a man in their lives.
She was on 18 ffs!
@@electricdreams9446 Not only was she young, but she had been inspected humiliatingly and certified pure and still Victoria dismissed her. Cruel...very cruel.
That's complete rubbish.
whilst they were happy - they were cousins, kissing cousins.
which I find disgusting ... I just can't get past my revulsion :(
when modern news are too depressing we're heading back 150 years
Most apt!
Such a treat .thanks for the upload❤
This makes me glad i was born in the 21st century lol
That makes 2 of us😂😂
U must b very young
I was born in the 90s. I’m glad I was born then rather than in Victoria’s time. I love learning about the time era but it would’ve felt suffocating to live in I imagine.
I live for these documentaries. I watch them lying snuggled in bed with a snack 🤷🏾♂️💙😊👌🏾
Me too 😂🥱
Same
Me, too! 😊
I am reading your comment while having tea and toast with jam…in bed..at 12:17 at night!
@@clairieannie1 nothing wrong with a midnight snack. I believe it’s the law to have. 😅
I remember reading in a book about how Albert and her were trying to offset her “unspeakable uncles”😂. I thought that was so funny. But Albert was very upright, and moral, personally, too. They were devoted to each other.
John Brown's relationship with Victoria doesn't seem to be romantic or sexual at least to me. They seem to be close friends, I heard it was John that helped Victoria get out of her depression from losing Albert.
No their relationship was one of deep friendship but not sexual. Her children used to jokingly refer to him as "Mama's lover" - if they actually had been lovers, it would have been no joke. Victoria had a codependent personality - she wrote in her journal how nice it was to have a "man about the house" - she just wanted someone to look after her and be a barrier between her and the world.
I doubt very seriously it was a physical relationship, I mean can you IMAGINE if she fell pregnant? I can’t see her taking that chance, no matter how much she may have wanted to. But whatever it was, it was intense. She was even buried with his picture and some other trinket of his. That right there says a LOT.
31 minutes into this & I must say that I very much enjoy the comparison of Caroline/Victoria & the head-space of that day. Ir's a creative way to express this story. Thanks!
14:36 -- "No escape for Caroline"..."Divorce was virtually impossible." Divorce was virtually impossible, but separation was not. In English law, for at least 150 years before Caroline Sheridan's time, a woman, at least an aristocratic / affluent woman, could easily procure a separation from her husband. Man and woman remained husband and wife, but could live apart and often did. For aristocratic women who were matrimonially unhappy this was a fairly unproblematic objective. By the 18th century most aristocratic women had their own wealth ("separate estate") which could not be alienated from them. In addition the husband was expected to award his separated wife some kind of an allowance ("maintenance"). In Victoria's time, a wife could obtain a unilateral ("summary") separation from her husband, who was legally obliged to pay the administration fees and to maintain his wife in her accustomed style. I do not know what Caroline Sheridan's problem was, or why a woman of her status couldn't just walk out (her husband could not legally hold her prisoner), but the problem was not a legal or, presumably, a financial one.
Perhaps the threat of violence. We don’t know. This wasn’t just unhappiness, it was an abusive relationship, so we are not aware of the context not documented in historical libraries.
My grandmother, born in 1887, was inspirational to me. At 14 she told me she and my beloved grandfather who died when I was 10 had made love the week before he died. At the time I was shocked first that she would talk about such a thing...I knew the basic biology of sex but nothing more and was startled. As I grew up, I was less and less so.
I had seen my grandparents holding hands on the sofa watching TV, little pecks on the cheek, demonstrativeness.I thought that was cute and sweet.What a lovely role model they set me.
Later when I studied human sexuality in grad school as a requirement to becoming a clinical psychologist I already realized sexual love could last a lifetime due y grandmother...as it has for me.
It is a shame Victoria was not presented with options for contraception....and the level.of ignorance even about female anatomy still is a shame. There are recent findings about the anatomical structures involved in orgasm in women that are little known, even by health professionals. Once one knows the anatomy....internal structures recently discovered looking very like an orchid, alot becomes clearer. Sybil Francis PhD clinical.psychologist and professor since 1979
Poor Caroline Norton & "George Elliott". That Lord Norton was a real ass.
I feel so bad for the loss of Queen Victoria late husband. She truly loved him dearly and must have been extremely been heartbroken 💔 at his loss. Poor dear woman.
Queen Victoria a forward thinker as well as passionate of her life and lover wife
❤️ Thank You
It's not allowable in some cultures today
That is not 19 yr old man!
The documentary mentions John Brown but not Abdul Karim who was also a friend to the Queen in later years?
She wasn’t accused of being secretly married to Abdul Karim though was she, like she was with Brown? I think that’s what made Brown relevant to the theme of this program.
They already have Markle in the family isn't that enough?
@@Anne-pv9cb what is that supposed to mean? Come on spell it out…
Abdul Karim wasn't as prominent in Victoria's life as the movie makes out.
They loved each other wildly💯🌹🌹🌹
Love this documentary,different take on the usual information on Victoria and Albert lfe together since they present how times were changing when Victoria became queen.
❤ Poor Victoria, by the time the 5th kid came along, developed a prolapsed uterus which would have made intercourse incredibly painful. Not sure if it’s historic rumor but there are several accounts of Albert’s elder male advisors (German) to “keep her pregnant” so he could increase his role and decision making opportunities in the Monarchy ie; have more “control” over Victoria’s Queen-ship.
Wow. Spectacular presentation.
Thank you !
EXCELLENT EXCELLENT VIDEO. THIS WAS VERY WELL DONE! THANKYOU!
She might have been Queen of the nation but Albert was King of the Castle
I feel for Lady Flora Hastings. No apology.
horror
I am a mature gay man, and I am also a journalist and a closet historian. I have always been horrified by how women were treated in the 19th century. Frankly, they had more freedom from the 11th to the 18th century. They could have their own business (brewery was very common and even prostitution was considered a very prosperous business). It was the Puritans that put an end to women's freedom. While Victoria and Albert had fabulous sex and surrounded themselves with pornographic art and sculpture, the rest of society was locked in a hypocritical sexual grip. Extremely troubling.
...they (the Aristocrats) knew how to drop their knickers...
25:52 😂😂 he didn’t have to go in on her like that .
30:10 "she is wearing nothing but a headscarf and he is wearing nothing but Lydia" 😂
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The upper classes knew how to drop their knickers!😉
I always wondered why these Mistresses would willingly have sexual relations with upperclass men or men in line to be Dukes and Kings and wouldn't demand marriage considering all the obvious benefits.Why didn't the Uncles rush to produce legitimate heirs? As far as the illegitimate children is sounds as if they were not considered human and the fathers didn't have to assume no responsibility for their offspring. What happen in terms of survival to all those children?
It was a legitimate way to raise someone's station in life even if you were not a wife. Being a mistress of a wealthy married man had benefits such as increased social class, some got pensions or property in old age, in roads to more political power or having the ability to get relatives into certain positions. Many families would push their daughter into being a mistress (and of course some were pressured by the duke or king). And sometimes bastards would be legitimized and get inheritance. Sometimes they were discarded but many bastards were given titles and land. It was also expected in some circles to have a mistress
For an heir to be legitimate they couldn't come from a morganotic relationship. If you married beneath your class you gave up your title and your place in the line of succession. Victoria's uncles were already older, several were not on good terms with their legitimate wives, some of the wives were already too old to produce an heir, some had legitimate heirs they just didn't survive
And some illegitimate children were given titles of nobility, land, a duchy, a cushy military/political career and an estate but they still weren't in line to inherit the throne. There's a big difference between a title of nobility and a title of royalty
Women had no chuckle choice
The ads on this documentary are so distracting
“She had all the intellectual strength of a man. But in feeling, all the particular weaknesses of a woman”
The sexism historians forget to leave back in the history.
@@apoorvaranjan9921 lmao. Righttt
This is History in a nutshell. Very interesting and informative.
History is beyond your tiny realm. The known universe is tens of billions years outside of human capability to develop a brain lol. In our tiny selfie absorbed planet self destructing ignorance, covid will hopefully cull the selfish, from caring people
@@dba750 Albert had his own agenda. Keep her pregnant so he can get a chance to get involved in politics.
25:50 “She was very ugly. She was known as the horse faced queen of the blue stockings.” 🤭
That was the greatest shade I’ve ever heard 🤣
All of his interviews were gold 😂
@@victoriastroud4820 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤭🤭🤭🤭
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Haha I couldn’t stop laughing when I got to that part
@@LJLe So funny! 🤭😂🤭😅
An interesting story well told, but oh, those numerous and intrusive commercials!
I love Victoria and Albert 🥰
God, I would love a man around like John Brown. I doubt he would have been disrespectful of a woman's agency regardless if a woman in his company was the Queen or not.
Queen Victoria got lucky with Albert. He was a godsend, much like Prince Philip was to Queen Elizabeth.
i found a faded 1 cent rounded coin of Queen Victoria many many years old. A valuable antique!
You cant tell me albert didnt know about condoms and how victoria could only take so much of child bearing.why didnt he make the choice ?
Condoms were not so reliable nor as comfortable for the man. Men don't like using them even now. People have no idea what it was like back then. Each month the girls were relieved when they menstrual
@@barbaraclayton2171 I heard they used to use big coins as diaphrams ! Lol ! I 🤣🤣🤣
Condoms back then weren’t useful for birth control but really only for fear of STDs. They were mere sheaths tied on with ribbon.
It would have caused a scandal if the public and parliament found out they were using condoms. Back then condoms were seen as improper and only people of ill repute used them.
They were also extremely unreliable.
I feel badly for Flora, but… the Hastings family participated in that “Kensington System” bs hoping to piggyback their way to power. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes🤷🏻♀️
I love this so much! I've always found "smart" to be the highest form of "sexy".
22:34 -- "A woman who separated from her husband had no rights, no rights to property." Absolutely false. She had every right to her own property in the form of a "married woman's separate estate," bestowed on her at marriage. Also, as a (merely) separated (not a divorced) woman, she also had a right to be maintained by her husband. George Norton and Caroline Sheridan were still husband and wife under the law. Yes, George Norton kept the children with him, because it was the father's legal duty to take responsibility for their education. If Caroline was not permitted to see them, that was presumably because of her husband's brutality, not because the law forbade it.
After 1870 there was a new law "Married women's property act". Before that a woman's assets would go to her husband. The upper classes had marriage contracts which gave the wives some income, but a woman needed a father or male guardian to make such a contract in her favor.
@@andreabartels9532 Essentially, the Married Woman's Property Act meant that women could keep the earnings of their own labours. This would have been a boon to middle class / industrial working class urban women, but it would have been irrelevant to aristocratic women (like Caroline Norton) who didn't earn anything because they rarely undertook gainful employment. However, under the "Separate Estate" system, which developed in the late 16th century, an aristocratic woman upon her marriage was awarded (either by her family or her husband, but usually both), sources of wealth (in either investments or rents or both) the proceeds of which were hers and hers alone for the duration of her life (Jane Austen alludes to this in "Pride and Prejudice"). The husband had no claim on them. Caroline Norton would certainly have had such a settlement. Please see Alison Anna Tait, "The Beginning and the End of Coverture: A Reappraisal of the Married Woman's Separate Estate", Yale Journal of Law and Feminism 26:2 (2014).
Whoever made this film couldn't MAN BASH if they told the truth. God, I'm sick of these virtue-signaling assh*los!
Why would you call Prince Albert her the Queen as a lover and not her soulmate, love, and husband? "Lover" kinda odd don't you think...
Look up the definition of lover.
@@angelamarie4137 Look up the definition of husband
@@sampuatisamuel9785 a husband is a lover tho. Lol. Lover, husband, soulmate. They can all be used interchangeably
I love these stories ❤
Idk why but think of Vicky doing the nasty just grosses me out so bad.
That's because you're thinking of the older Victoria, after she put on heaps of weight. Victoria was actually quite pretty as a teenager and in her twenties. She had a slender figure, long light brown hair, large blue eyes and a pink and white complexion. She didn't really put on weight until her thirties, after her pregnancies, and then really piled it on after she lost Albert at age 42.Albert was also very handsome as a young man, it was only as he got older that he got tubby and bald.
I’d really like to hear Alberts diaries
Sounds like this trait was passed on to the now queen’s son, Andrew. Sleazy and preys on younger children.
George as an abusive bully and he got away with the abuse.
What "younger children" has Andrew "preyed" on? That's just bull!
@@zzzbbbooo The one that Ms Maxwell brought to him and that has an ongoing civil suit.
I liked the scene when the divorced woman throws the couple's photograph in the fire. Both actors shown in a Sepia toned print out.
This was great
Honestly, still don't get it why a lady could not have examined her??? I mean given the nature of those times, yes, no women were certified doctors/physicians but there were nurses who could've done the examination and described it. It was bound to have been an ugly affair, regardless of Lady Flora's "innocence". I don't see how Victoria is so blinded by such rumours to not have considered the humiliation / discomfort and backlash.
To put it bluntly, Victoria was very naive and easily led in the early years of her reign. She was willing to believe rumours simply because Lord Melbourne said so, and I don't think the thought that he could be wrong or that there might be backlash, even crossed her mind. Victoria was allegedly appalled when it was reported to her that Lady Flora had died of liver cancer, as it dawned on her just how badly she'd messed up. A harsh lesson and one unfortunately learned too late..
They had midwives. Surely a midwife could have examined her.
This is what true love us!!! When u find your real soul mate . Very rare . 90 % of relationships and marriages are incompatible and unhappy . When u find true love u never let it go!!!!!
I still think it's gross that cousins married! The blood line thing is crazy! You would think that would be a sin?
JO MAMA: just think about Adam & Eve' s children. Their children must have married each other way back then.
In the Eastern Orthodox
Church, first cousin
marriages are not allowed.
Theses people do not care... they make up their own rules to suit them even if it’s a sin or not!! Crazy ugly people
@@irenedevilliers1674 God created other people in the first chapter of Genesis if we’re going by the Bible, so they weren’t the only options.
Oh man, you must not know about European royal history; they were incredibly inbred.
Victoria may cared for making babies, but not for being pregnant or taking care of her children. She wanted Albert all to her self, as she confessed to her oldest daughter Vicky in a letter, and was jealous and resented her children for taking to much of Albert's time.
This was the time large chunk of population was condidered peasants while the royalty enjoyed luxury & wealth taken from other countries !!
It hasn't changed. Democrats think and behave the same way.
@@Anne-pv9cb
You mean like when Democrats gave the upper class a huge tax break- oh, wait!
How educational !
Here I am in 2021 and still can't live up to Victoria and Albert's marriage lol. The double standards between men and women on fidelity and sexuality is infuriating, not that we are equal even now. This women's lives were ruined without facts.
Men have oppressed women thru man made religions but double standards get me riled also, like Honor killings! Men think women don't have needs also?
@@spicyirwin5835 i completly agree about the killings, but don't you think that having affairs whilst married is at least immoral.
I have read a great deal about this time period. I even have a playlist dedicated to all of the books I’ve read about Historical Fiction About Women. There are a few books about Queen Victoria in there. I love books.
Albert and Brown were best mates
Drinking buddies.
That's why Vic liked Brown ...!
No. Albert was not the type of man to have "drinking buddies".
@@zzzbbbooo haha were you there 😂
They were first cousins as well 😭😭😭
Thank God these women were there through painful dedication to slowly prepare the world for female evolution, independence, freedom and recognition. We owe them a lot.
Perfect marriage for me,,, they both inspire me for love
She was a horrible mother and queen who did not bother to help the people who needed it. He slept around and was not loyal to her. She abandoned all her children. If that is what you want then fine be stupid and go for it!
@@jessicapearson9479 there is no evidence Prince Albert was unfaithful. Quite the opposite. Evidence suggests he did not believe in sex outside of marriage. I think there is plenty to suggest that Victoria could be a critical critical mother, but her personal diaries reveal that she also loved her children, thought about them constantly and was deeply interested in their lives. To dismiss her as a bad mother is to ignore any other evidence. As we do with women in the public eye, we tend to focus on absence and not affection. There are letters between Victoria and the Queen of Portugal. Letters that are almost entirely devoted to their children. They wrote each other about the joy they had in their children and the pain giving birth to them. Additionally, let’s not forget, it was a different time. To hold a woman of that time accountable to the standards of today is ridiculous.
@@jessicapearson9479 so one shud never marry? We all shud b sleeping with everyone for the rest of our lives? U got some momma issues
She was an awful mother and a real raging narcissist.
Very nicely done!!
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25:33 Ouch!... poor Marion 🤣🤣🤣🐴
I would really like to know how a British Prime Minister had all this free time to spend with ladies.
There is a saying that a child whose parents hold a grand passion for each other is an orphan. It's a shame that Victoria could never take comfort or joy from her children.
Victoria had first met her cousins Albert and Ernest 3 years before the visit that resulted in Victoria's proposal of marriage. He had not impressed her, being fat and sluggish. But he was her cousin and the Saxe-Cobourg clan (her mother and Leopold King of the Belgians às well as their mutual brother, Albert's father) had wanted the marriage. So Albert got a 3 years period of " finishing" and Victoria agreed to consider Albert again. When she saw the new improved Albert, she fell in love.
One Viceroy of India during the nineteenth century was a certain Lord Curzon, who was married to an American woman. Not long into the marriage, he was with his wife in the depth of the marriage-bed enjoying his conjugal rights, when he became aware that his wife was enjoying herself too. He stopped the proceeding to tell her that " Madame, ladies do not move ".
It could be that there is not a shred of truth in this story, but who cares.
That sounds about right, unfortunately. Ladies were told that they were to act as "receptacles for their husband's seed" and no more. The cliche of "close your eyes and think of England" was actually rooted in reality, as girls were taught in upper class ladies' colleges "While a lady must endure the unpleasant duty of the nuptial couch, take comfort in the fact that you are pleasing your husband and bringing a new Briton into the world. If you find the experience too dreadful to bear, close your eyes and think of England."
I gotta say the British are great at hosting tea parties. After all, we are all here.
Fascinating stories!
He said she was 4'11" but earlier today a video said she was 5'1". See how things are never accurate?
When you make someone out to be more than they are and stroke their ego, you're let down.
I am an anglophile from way back. My mind has changed about Victoria. I think she was emotionally & and mentally not well. She abused her children all their lives. She would boink old Alfred rather than look at her kids. She was addicted to him & to sex. After he died she as much as ignored her Realm and people. I am also sort of finished with Royalty . Stay Calm & PISS OFF🤴💂♂
It’s Mr Rumbold! From are you being served!
Okay, King William had left his womanizing years behind when victoria was born. He was married, and had a tragic childbirth history with his wife, and they had a great realtionship as she was a good influence on him, getting him to drink, curse and eat less. They lost many babies, and Victoria had one legitimate cousin, son of her father's younger brother. If it wasn't for her birth, he would have been king.
Her Majesty Great patronizing Science indeed ....Invited John Snow ...in pain sufferings...
The actress for Victoria was saying all this positive facts on how she was a good mother. What a bull of crap but whatever