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I'm at 14:00 and agree, implementing object orientation fundamentals in C is an excellent way to introduce them and to transition the points he is making. You can see it as a syncretic historical walkthrough to a modern standpoint. I like that he makes a strong statement and provides a valuable study that will leave the students with appreciation and a little wisdom.
@@fighneGiven that C can couple closely with CPU and hardware that would allow them to do very stringent and deterministic coffee review. And evolve code alongside with engineering solutions.
No, I don’t agree. A lot of this is puffery on a massive scale. If you think that coding is the secret to everything you should have gone to Gaza during the last 50 years where unemployment was 70%. This overemphasis on one narrow subject is nauseating.
I bought my first computer in 1982, a Texas Instruments TI/99 4A and learned interpreted BASIC. Then I learned Pascal and Assembly language and, finally C. I thought I had a first edition of the white book but mine is a copy of the second edition from 1988. Thanks for a fantastic walk down memory lane. I remember someone once saying that the difference between languages like Pascal and Basic and C was like the difference between cutting with kiddie scissors and using a double-edged razor blade. With the double-edged razor blade (C) you're going to have bloody fingers. I can't believe that I've been programming for almost 42 years!
Isn't it funny... I have exactly the same experience, same exactly languages, in that order, and been programming for 42 years (since I was 10). I paid my way through grad school by teaching undergrad students Assembly (engineering students) and a few Basic classes while I wrote all my own projects in C and C++. I stuck with Assembly (writing BIOS for NEC laptops) and C/C++ for many years and picked up C# in 2008 and haven't stopped since. What a rich and beautiful language.
@@nicholash8021Yes, I like C# as well.I've been using C# since the language was first released. In fact, I documented and wrote code examples for ADO .NET database objects in C# and VB .net. i ALSO WROTE COMPLETE CODE EXAMPLES IN c# FOR USING aws sERVICES.
@@MrXlee1967 You are so kind. Thank you! It all started with video games. I had an Odyssey 2 video game system but I heard that computer games were better. I bought a TI/99 4A which had all of 3k of RAM and then I discovered that the games available on tape weren't that fantastic. I couldn't afford the $800 for a diskette drive, but I could afford computer magazines and there were a bunch of them back then that all had how to program articles. I spent hours typing in those program listings and soon, I started making changes. It was fun! I joined the local computer club and, as its only female member, naturally I became the president. I was also the editor of the club newspaper and started contacting game companies to request review copies of games that I could write about in the newsletter. Looking back on that time, I find it amazing that I got away with telling these companies that I'm the president of the Ti-State Computer Club with members in three states and I want to review your game for the newsletter. I was the president, we did have members in New York, New Jersey, and Pennsylvania but there were only about 50 of us. I've had many different jobs over the years. Developer, Technical Writer, Web Designer, and I even had my own computer school for a while. But would you believe that I became a Technical Writer and wrote about computer programming because I wanted to be a writer? I submitted a how to article to a programming magazine called CodeWorks, a BASIC programming magazine, and they bought it. Paid me $50 for it! It seems that non-fiction writing paid much more than fiction (unless you're famous, of course!) Since then I've written for Microsoft, Google, Mozilla, and was even a contributing editor to PC Techniques Magazine. I also wrote some video games that were published by a company called SoftSource, and made enough money in royalties to live on the income. Bottom line is that love teaching about programming as much as I love programming. Are you bored yet? I didn't think I was doing anything special because it was fun. I was able to learn a little at a time, and didn't try to learn it all at once. Programming for me started out as a fun hobby. I never intended to make my living doing it. But that's the way it turned out.
Dr Chucks PY4E changed my life. I went from knowing no languages to now studying multiple different ones. I had no clue coding was missing in my life before
@@3akube897 the first 11 chapters went pretty fast because the videos and the book follow along pretty closely. Once chapter 12 started, I had to go learn about networking outside of the material so that made the rest of the course take a little longer than the first 11 chapters. For someone who knows about sockets and XML, the rest of the book will go faster than someone like me who had to take extra time to learn a bit more about those topics
C is like calculus, damn right difficult, BUT, when you finally grasp the beast and pull it up close . . . it's BEAUTIFUL! After I typed "hello world" and compiled and had it flash on the screen I'm hooked. I'm self-teaching on Linux, which makes it easy for me to: Learn Linux and Learn C simultaneously!
Yup, that's what I did, but switched to ANSI C as soon as compilers were available. K&R C really socks and nobody uses it any more. I think I last used K&R in about 1993. Rapidly rewrote it in ANSI.
We all learned C from K&R in the beginning, but I had the advantage that I was doing contracts for Bell Labs & worked with Richie, Kernighan, Stan Lippman & the other originals in Unix before the first PC C compilers came out (bsdm, Aztec, Mark Williams, High-C, Lattice, etc.). I remember when C++ first came out & we wrote C++ and precompiled it into C using Stroustrup's CFront preprocessor & then ran it through the C compiler, often outputting it in assembly language so we could hand-optimize it. I got to work with Stroustrup, Mancl, Stan Lippman & Margaret Ellis. Couldn't have asked for a better education in C & C++.
@@BlueSun4886that's an experience! I first compiled "C++" on a Mac using Think C with object extensions, around 1990. With only the Stroustrup book, I figured out enough to write a circuit simulator with various transistor models for my dissertation. Ah the early days...
I absolutely agree with the importance of C. I learned C after assembly language (on the DG Nova and the 8086) and I still have the 1978 edition on my bookshelf. After using many languages over my career, I still use C every day (mostly on microcontrollers). My mentor who wrote our first C compiler back then recently passed away. I credit Jerry Masker with providing every foundation of my experience.
I learned C on my own in the late 80's but took a course on advanced C from Robert Kroll at Roosevelt University in '91. What a great teacher! Bell Labs and Kroll were instrumental in the development of HTML at the time - which he demonstrated in that advanced class. That man had a brain of a 30 year old - he was I think in his late 60's early 70's at the time. Learned so much in that semester about Computer Science - especially data structures from that great teacher. I think C would be a great second language for todays aspiring programmers - but should only be used for specialized processes where speed is critical. Much like inline Assembler that we used for the same reason back in the day. Great video! Much success in your endeavours!
I fiddled with basic on old computers but not much. It wasn't until school days I started playing with borland t-pascal that I learned procedures,functions etc.. my first real language 😀
Hi guys , i' m a 57 old german it nred in Brazil and i follow most of both of your channels David and Dr. Chuck. I loved this interview and actually i'm revising my skills with the material offered by Dr. Chuck. Thank you very much for your unpayable contribution.
Really great to hear the back story, excellent! I could listen to Dr. Chuck for hours. Thank you! I'm a 60 yo programmer/EE who learnt C (PL1, PLP, etc.) back in the day, and wrote a bunch of C++ (in the CAD/CAM industry). Today i work in fin-tech, write in Python. Dr. Chuck connects it all together.
Finally, a man who understands how c++ should be taught using c, so that students can flow from c to c++ without all the confusion it usually entails. I don't think anyone has taught in this way before.
I taught myself C programming in the mid 80s. Very robust and useful language. Retired electronics systems engineer from the Defense industry, and I can still say it's my favorite software language by far. It was easy to learn, and perfect for standalone programs in radar target tracking, missile tracking, project planning, systems test and evaluation and more. Also used it for "patches" to other programs written in C source code.
I learned Basic, Pascal, COBOL and C in college back in the day, but C and its various flavors are my favorites, still have my first college book "C the complete reference"
I love this discussion. I learned BASIC by using the TRS-80 at any Radio Shack store that would ignore me sitting at the computer while typing in my handwritten code. My first computer was a Commodore Vic-20. I tried to write a game using BASIC and soon discovered that 3.5k of memory is insufficient for a game program in BASIC. Then I learned 6502 Assembler, which was the absolute best education for me to learn how computers work. That knowledge allowed me to grasp all the languages I have learned since. (C, C++, dBASE, SQL, Pascal, VB, C#, Java, JavaScript, Python, HTML, etc.) Thank you for flooding me with memories.
Freely Quoted: If you have a problem with an operating system it is almost always related to C. Yes.... And car accidents are almost always related to car as aircraft accidents are almost always related to airplanes. Most descent code is written in C, mostly for a reason. The fact that most programmers use C for the wrong reason (it is cool so i have to) but have no clue how computers work relates to the programmers, not to the language. I see so many things go wrong using C#, Visual-whatever (for those that still stick to MicroSoft). I see so many people using children languages rather than learn a couple of well designed (often archaic) languages) that are just to prevent memory leaks. These days we choose or programming languages for ease us usage without thorough knowledge about computers. I even notice a lot of bad behaviour on modern (usualy cheap) embedded electronics that uncover use of frameworks programmers do not understand... pffff.... Sorry Chuck..... nice chap for a beer, let's leave it with that
I actually worked at AT&T Bell Labs from the late 80's to the late 90's as a "Computer Design Specialist" which was a fancy way of saying "artist." I was tech oriented, though, and provided visualization for a lot of R&D. I eventually taught myself C to build custom CG modeling tools for industrial design jobs. However, I remember roaming the halls of the Whippany, Holmdel, and Murray Hill campuses, and the ongoing push for OOP/C++. It's possible that I'd run into both of those guys, or even worked on jobs for them and/or their departments. They were fun times...... but I can only say that in retrospect 😅
9:47 - It's important to note that Python is powerful not because of the language (except that thinking Pythonically is simply a superior way to think) ("I run circles around you logically!") but because of the extensive libraries provided along with the language. Now you can do the same sort of thing with C++ using the Boost Libraries...
C is the second language I learned after Basic. Then C++... I love C++, it made me think like a processor. And it was easier for me to learn C#. That was in the 90s.
Learned C in high school and moved to C++, you will learn so much of "what not to do and what not to use!", totally agreed, do not use C or C++ unless it is absolutely a must for your project, nowadays we have much more efficient and safer languages for different tasks. Learning C and C++ teaches you a lot of what not to do and what not to use, then you end up appreciate all the new language today! Heavily used C in university for my CS & EE degrees, mostly for data structure courses, OS courses, and microcontroller.
Completely agree. You have to know a lot more about the lower level of the OS you are programming for with C/C++. Back in the early days of C++ it was pretty difficult to change your mindset from programming C (functional) to learning C++ (object-oriented).
@@JackFalltrades Web Development: Django framework with Python All Windows related: C# Mobile Development: Kotlin & Java, yes Kotlin for iOS as well Game: I use mostly Unity engine (C#), for serious game development stick to C++ Microcontroller: C is still the King, but starting out, Arduino and MicroPython is super friendly Embedded system (linux): Python ASIC: VHDL Data science: Python These are what I will go to first as of now. Basically there are many tools for the right task, however, I see that many ppl in the industry tend to use what they know best, however that is not always the best way to do it because there are better and more efficient tools that will get your product to the market faster. Time to market is the key here in our industry, so it depends, but yes Python is very easy to learn and you can use it for many tasks! As for professional with products that relates to public safety, we have to use the right tools because speed and accuracy and reliability are 3 most important things in these products.
I started in Assembler, later graduated to C. If you want compactness and breathtaking speed, these 2 can't be beat. Nothing beats them for writing systems software etc. However one really needs to know how hardware ticks. The "flaws of C" is the programmer, not the language...
That is the most interesting and all nerd-out charming intro to a programming course I have ever heard. I love the statement "Everything was difficult in 1978". We need much more appreciation for all the amazing people in the past who did not accept the status quo but went the Bender principle: "Oh yeah? Well, I'm gonna build my own theme park!!!"
C and the Macro Assembler were where I learned to program. Just like in the old west, we made up the rules as we went along. I am lucky to have lived and worked as a programmer back then. I had the honor to meet Dennis Ritchie in Las Vegas one year at Comdex. It was quite an honor as he was one of my programming heroes. Those were truly the days, it was quite a ride.
Dr. Chuck, I loved your story about your student who is now a teacher, and one of his students becoming a teacher. A coach/mentor told me, 40 years ago: I am a candle, lighting other candles, who light other candles. It's a powerful way to affect the world.
Assembly should be the first programming language one learns, but only a small amount of time should be dedicated to it; just enough to get the gist. Next should be C, but again, just enough to get the gist. Then Python or some other higher-level language.
5:23 - I've got it on my shelf. But, then again, I have forty years of professional C language programming experience. My first real C machine was the CCI Power 6/32 aka "Tahoe" as in BSD 4.3 Tahoe, the first non-VAX architecture to support BSD Unix - an architecture designed to run C optimally and to be 7 times faster than a VAX-11/32. At one point in time I was working with customers programming in C (Unix OS), FORTRAN (Language and transcendental library), and ADA (language required for DoD programs which used the FORTRAN transcendental library and ran on UNIX) at the same time...
I agree. Learning C is essential to becoming a good software developer. I started in the late 1980s. Writing Windows programs using the Windows SDK and C was a major challenge. It took a lot of work. But that foundation paved the way for C++ , Java, and C# down the road. The thing about writing C code back in those early days is that we had to learn how to conserve resources. Every byte was important. The other thing was that the tools were primitive compared to today. I unit-tested the heck out of everything I wrote. We were writing software that was being sold to the highest-profile companies. It couldn't fail ever. That training and mindset stayed with me for the rest of my career. Even though I am retired from the normal workweek grind, I still write C++ code that uses web services to gather data for analysis. I think it is fun, and it can be highly profitable.
Thanks for making these videos, you keep me motivated to break into this field. I am 30 coming from non tech background, trying to get into cybersecurity. I will say I go on Reddit and all the doom and gloom over there really gets me demotivated, I come back and listen to you and feel a lift in my spirit. I must become a master and not just a drone. Thanks for your work
I grew up learning a little bit of this and a little bit of that in programming, (Basic, C, MDL, AutoLISP, Assembly) and always had the six sense of the code running, now I understand why hearing the good Dr talk about concepts over syntax. I also want to thank you both for sharing, and praise God some people are genuine and giving to the world we live in. Thank-you and God bless you both!
I did learn C right after python, after that I picked up many other programming languages and I've been programming for 8 years now. I am self-taught though, hiring managers prefer on paper experience and love certifications and mostly degrees all of which I find lame, it is possible to still get hired but it ain't easy.
I think the most important language I learned was assembly on an old 8086 (and later an 8051, though that's a microcontroller and not a microprocessor). I'd learned C several years before that and almost nothing made sense to me because things were not taught properly. What is memory? What is a pointer really? Everything made sense after learning assembly. Writing code in assembly is super painful, though, so I agree with Dr Chuck, assembly and C are important to learn but shouldn't be used for most things.
I cut my teeth on assembly language for multiple machines. I wrote my own drivers, interrupt structures, editors, operating systems, data transmission, etc. This provided a baseline for coding higher level languages.
I really recommend anyone who is really serious to learn computer architecture/software to take From NAND to Tetris course. Very solid course .. challenging and fun.
Spent 20 years with OO, Solid patterns, TTD, and all the other technicalities around writing robust OO code. I was absolutely convinced this was the right way to code, especially since it makes sense representing everything using classes as construct. Until I learnt functional programming with F#. I can't see myself ever going back to OO. But hey, whatever floats your boat. :)
@@NameRedacted-fn4io Did you ever try F#? I'm working for a US Telcom and since we switched from C#, we write 95% code in F# and that includes full stack web apps. See SAFE stack and Fabulous.
David, THIS is a damn great talk! Thanks for that one! Being a person who took Dr. Chucks Python course and having learned Java & C# in the past, I am highly motivated now to take his new C course and get better in general understanding about how things work from within their binary guts ;) Big thanks to Dr. Chuck for his work & to David for his perfectly performed and friendly talks!!
41:09 - I met Linux Torvalds when he was porting Linux to the Power PC architecture. He basically started his presentation with "I hope there aren't any Power PC users out there" and proceeded to bad-mouth the architecture for the balance of his presentation. Afterward I presented him my business card - I was vending a Power PC product with a proprietary combined SVR4.2 ESMP/BSD environment at that time. He was afraid I was going to let him have it. I told him I agreed completely with all of his observations. I also thanked him for making being a computer geek AND a Finlander cool...
I think it was way back in 1984 that a colleague of mine had a C query. He accessed a Bulletin Board run by Dennis Ritchie. The response he got was almost immediate from the Guru himself and we calculated that it was around 2 AM at Bell Labs. It was amazing that he was awake at that hour.
I learned C only because I was assembler freak and C was way more productive, then I met Go and I love Go. If I ever need to be lower I think about C++ and Zig. But whilst C++98 is nothing new for me so C++11, C++14, C++17 etc seem to be like strangers. Zig seems to be a good choice to start from the ground level. I prefer compiled, statically typed languages but sometime opponents like: PHP, Python and just bash do the job. Thanks for the video. Cheers!
Java Class is a way to organize code, if you need C to interface with operating systems then write interfaces that you call from your Java classes and objects and get the best of both worlds.
Almost 10 years ago I took the Python for everybody specialization courses from Dr. Chuck, and that was life changing, in a good way. I don’t want to pump the expectations but the C course might be another life changing course. Thanks David for hosting these great interviews! 🙏
Thanks a tonne for bringing on Dr Chuck. He is a super amazing technologist + my favourite doctor. I was lucky enough to meet him few years back at Bletchley Tech park (home of the code breakers) & that was such a wonderful moment.
David and Dr Chuck thank you for your contribution to help people learn and grow. I hope very soon the same opportunities will be available to millions of people in South and Central America in SPANISH and FRENCH in Africa for french speakers. As a french living in Paris I feel very priviledged having these life changing courses for FREE. This is the best softpower USA can have in this world.
Thank you very much Dr. Chuck. I'm a 62 year old person who is very interested in programming. My first project would be to turn all my bash scripts to python programs, then to C.
First language I learned in CS was Pascal. Then I learned Z80 assembly language. Then I learned C. And that was all I really needed as C was the primary language during my work life.
back in my freshmen in college in CS days our first language is C++ and using the 1990 Turbo C++ as an IDE and me and other classmates after learning it for a whole year and we go to Java, JS, and python and we said that well it's easy to adapt now...
The first language I learned on high school was Fortran IV. I learned Algol, BASIC, PASCAL, C, MODULA 2, a tew others, then C++, then C# and JavaScript.
I learn C long ago, will relearn it again. I got into another field. If i move up, we get into controller programming. IT field is too competitive now.
One thing I partially agree with Chuck is that one MUST learn C. However, I think one MUST use it (in production) to learn it deeply being conscious of the memory warts; and then stop using it and move to a better and modern language. There is a host of better and modern programming languages: Nim, Zig, Rust, Odin, Chapel, Go etc.
I agree with Dr. Chuck..1st should be Python, then 2nd dive deep into C. C syntax is actually very simple, just like Python. My 2nd lang was Javascript and C was my 3rd lang.
If you understand C, the levels of understanding the hardware, compilers, pointers, arrays, resource allocation ... is much, much deeper. If you only play on the upper levels, then Python. I always wish C had been updated with a bug/syntax/resource checks. C compiled code is still faster and smaller in many cases. My background was hardware debugging, it was my goto for troubleshooting! Wore out at least 3 copies of C white book. The best book ever written for programming, but takes several reads, most of the time, to get most of the nuances it is very correct, very dense.
David Bombal - you always have nuggets - valuable nuggets of information - and knowledge that I am always compelled to view your shows so as to improve myself. This show wasn’t just a nugget, it’s a stick of valuable Bullion of gold- error - Bullion of knowledge and information that I will hold onto and use. You continue to arm me to be better able to position myself in my path of my journey through this world. Thank you!
I started with python. And i agree, it's the best way to start. Second language for me, however was assembly. Yes. Assembly (x86). I don't understand much from it, i went to C and Rust quickly from that. I gotta go back to assembly someday.
learned 8080 assembly basic pascal c and then i discovered forth it was an epiphany i do programming for fun and professionnally just for test equipment control. I use only forth amazing.
You know what's just as important is learning your way around the development environment. Somebody needs to do a course on visual studio and other development environments aimed at beginners.
I had a C programming book on my desk years ago while working with PL/I. A C project started up and folks thought I knew C and brought me on to the project since I had the book on my desk. I did not say anything and then spent the next 9 years programming in C. :)
Thanks, David! Great episode! Big thanks to Dr. Chuck for free education dedication. Loved his story of start with Python then learn C which ends where python starts. Regards from Egypt!
I never thought I would watch this whole hour-long video, but just wanted to see where it was coming from. But I couldn't stop. A very interesting take on many aspects of software development. I started working with computers in 1969, and I'm still doing a bit of software development now, approaching age 75. You'd think I'd know better by now, but it seems not! And yes, I own a copy of the 1978 edition of Kernighan and Ritchie. Thanks for this, great stuff.
Awesome interview. I am currently leaning C and Python with EDX Harvard CS50. I have already done a Bootcamp prior to that I have been self teaching 4 years. Being writing code for 8 years. Please do come to NZ. If you can. It would be good to meet you and also host an event.
I learned 'C' before there was a python language. So I learned the two in reverse. But the use of the two languages can be a pretty powerful combination. I do have a 1st edition of K&R. I treasure it, and keep it in its own slip case. Great discussion.
SUGGESTION: From what the professor said regarding him doing more of documentaries through research than writing books; he could talk these wonderful deductions while recording them as audio and later on have them converted into text using TEXT-TO-SPEECH Libraries or even code his own better version of a T-T-S program so he can have electronic books of his amazing findings which could then be effortlessly edited for a final documentation. Thanks for the great job you have been doing - I have been treasuring your works since the first day I watched 'Django For Everyone' tutorials All the way from South Africa Best regards
C is great because its closer to assembly than most modern high level languages, but ultimately assembly and its variants are the best programming langugages to learn.
I agree to learn C but learn it first then you appreciate Python more. Then really learn C in professional environment, preferably in embedded. Thanks for this video, really great!
I started with K&R C and COBOL. It was awesome. Later on, there are BASIC, Pascal, etc. Strange thing is that COBOL is still active because business has not change. OOP is about controlling the code and structure prog is about building programs so that it can be shared. In the end, it is about real time solutions to current problems. Perhaps, in future, there may be Smarter language with responsible secured development. Thanks guys.
The difference between knowing Python (et al) and knowing C is the difference between knowing what pushing a gas pedal does and knowing the complete combustion cycle in the engine.
A lot of people don't know that C# is now cross-platform since .NET 5 but also has support for pointers? It's closer to C++ than Java. I've been writing code for iOS and Linux in C#, so it's definitely a language I would put in my top 5 to learn, certainly above C++. My first language was Apple BASIC which didn't even have for loops or functions.
One thing I can never describe is; what it's like to have a boss. I have been putting food on the table and built a decent sized business, thanks to BASIC, since the mid 80's. Clueless people still believe that it's line-numbers and GOTOs but this hasn't been the case since the mid-80s. It was once alleged that I was _really_ a front for a team of programmers because I developed and debugged in such a short time. Today I use BASIC on the PC, Android devices and microcontrollers. I have the option of interpreters _and_ compilers.
When I went to school, in the 1970's until the 1990's, there were never any A B C options. Our answers were always our own words, sentences, calculations or whatever was asked for. Drawing and X in a box was unheard of to me until I took the test for my driving license.
I write python extensions in C, though I use embedded python with C++. I can write in machine code now, making assembly easier to understand. The thing about Assembly Its just human readable version of machine code.
Back in the day we had to know machine language to make our 8-bit 6502 and 16-bit 68000 do more than what BASIC would allow us to do. We (self) learned a lot of low level stuff by playing around and copying code from magazines. Now, as a senior software engineer, one of the joys is passing on knowledge to raise up junior engineers and watch them go onto to make far more money than they otherwise might have.
11:42 - Middleware - creating a paradigm that describes your problem as well-defined segments of code as data structures and functions and ultimately objects... then addressing that problem with your middleware...
Do you agree with Dr Chuck? That this is the most important programming language you need to learn, and the language you shouldn't use in the real world (in most cases). You need to learn C if you're serious about becoming a senior developer.
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I 'C' the light.
It's strange then that NASA still use C ?!
I'm at 14:00 and agree, implementing object orientation fundamentals in C is an excellent way to introduce them and to transition the points he is making. You can see it as a syncretic historical walkthrough to a modern standpoint.
I like that he makes a strong statement and provides a valuable study that will leave the students with appreciation and a little wisdom.
@@fighneGiven that C can couple closely with CPU and hardware that would allow them to do very stringent and deterministic coffee review. And evolve code alongside with engineering solutions.
No, I don’t agree. A lot of this is puffery on a massive scale. If you think that coding is the secret to everything you should have gone to Gaza during the last 50 years where unemployment was 70%. This overemphasis on one narrow subject is nauseating.
I bought my first computer in 1982, a Texas Instruments TI/99 4A and learned interpreted BASIC. Then I learned Pascal and Assembly language and, finally C. I thought I had a first edition of the white book but mine is a copy of the second edition from 1988. Thanks for a fantastic walk down memory lane. I remember someone once saying that the difference between languages like Pascal and Basic and C was like the difference between cutting with kiddie scissors and using a double-edged razor blade. With the double-edged razor blade (C) you're going to have bloody fingers. I can't believe that I've been programming for almost 42 years!
This is a great comment
@@MrXlee1967 So nice that you are interested. What would you like to hear about?
Isn't it funny... I have exactly the same experience, same exactly languages, in that order, and been programming for 42 years (since I was 10). I paid my way through grad school by teaching undergrad students Assembly (engineering students) and a few Basic classes while I wrote all my own projects in C and C++. I stuck with Assembly (writing BIOS for NEC laptops) and C/C++ for many years and picked up C# in 2008 and haven't stopped since. What a rich and beautiful language.
@@nicholash8021Yes, I like C# as well.I've been using C# since the language was first released. In fact, I documented and wrote code examples for ADO .NET database objects in C# and VB .net. i ALSO WROTE COMPLETE CODE EXAMPLES IN c# FOR USING aws sERVICES.
@@MrXlee1967 You are so kind. Thank you! It all started with video games. I had an Odyssey 2 video game system but I heard that computer games were better. I bought a TI/99 4A which had all of 3k of RAM and then I discovered that the games available on tape weren't that fantastic. I couldn't afford the $800 for a diskette drive, but I could afford computer magazines and there were a bunch of them back then that all had how to program articles. I spent hours typing in those program listings and soon, I started making changes. It was fun!
I joined the local computer club and, as its only female member, naturally I became the president. I was also the editor of the club newspaper and started contacting game companies to request review copies of games that I could write about in the newsletter. Looking back on that time, I find it amazing that I got away with telling these companies that I'm the president of the Ti-State Computer Club with members in three states and I want to review your game for the newsletter. I was the president, we did have members in New York, New Jersey, and Pennsylvania but there were only about 50 of us.
I've had many different jobs over the years. Developer, Technical Writer, Web Designer, and I even had my own computer school for a while.
But would you believe that I became a Technical Writer and wrote about computer programming because I wanted to be a writer? I submitted a how to article to a programming magazine called CodeWorks, a BASIC programming magazine, and they bought it. Paid me $50 for it! It seems that non-fiction writing paid much more than fiction (unless you're famous, of course!) Since then I've written for Microsoft, Google, Mozilla, and was even a contributing editor to PC Techniques Magazine.
I also wrote some video games that were published by a company called SoftSource, and made enough money in royalties to live on the income.
Bottom line is that love teaching about programming as much as I love programming.
Are you bored yet? I didn't think I was doing anything special because it was fun. I was able to learn a little at a time, and didn't try to learn it all at once. Programming for me started out as a fun hobby. I never intended to make my living doing it. But that's the way it turned out.
Dr Chucks PY4E changed my life. I went from knowing no languages to now studying multiple different ones. I had no clue coding was missing in my life before
how long was it that u took this course? i am in a similar position as you were
@@3akube897 the first 11 chapters went pretty fast because the videos and the book follow along pretty closely. Once chapter 12 started, I had to go learn about networking outside of the material so that made the rest of the course take a little longer than the first 11 chapters. For someone who knows about sockets and XML, the rest of the book will go faster than someone like me who had to take extra time to learn a bit more about those topics
which book?
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python for everybody.
i thought python for enterprise lol. the java mindset .
C is like calculus, damn right difficult, BUT, when you finally grasp the beast and pull it up close . . . it's BEAUTIFUL! After I typed "hello world" and compiled and had it flash on the screen I'm hooked. I'm self-teaching on Linux, which makes it easy for me to: Learn Linux and Learn C simultaneously!
@@BitterTruth1111 So is C, my man!
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Not integration.
Programming is a lot easier than calculus. Calculus is trying to remember 4 years of math rules, while programming is only knowing rules of C
@@BitterTruth1111sheesh. College ptsd intensifying.
A good first thing to try to write in C when you learn, is a linux kernal.
I never took a C class but learned by reading the K&R book about 40 yrs ago. Use C everyday in my daily grind. Thanks for the video guys.
Me too.
Yup, that's what I did, but switched to ANSI C as soon as compilers were available. K&R C really socks and nobody uses it any more.
I think I last used K&R in about 1993. Rapidly rewrote it in ANSI.
We all learned C from K&R in the beginning, but I had the advantage that I was doing contracts for Bell Labs & worked with Richie, Kernighan, Stan Lippman & the other originals in Unix before the first PC C compilers came out (bsdm, Aztec, Mark Williams, High-C, Lattice, etc.). I remember when C++ first came out & we wrote C++ and precompiled it into C using Stroustrup's CFront preprocessor & then ran it through the C compiler, often outputting it in assembly language so we could hand-optimize it. I got to work with Stroustrup, Mancl, Stan Lippman & Margaret Ellis. Couldn't have asked for a better education in C & C++.
@@BlueSun4886that's an experience! I first compiled "C++" on a Mac using Think C with object extensions, around 1990. With only the Stroustrup book, I figured out enough to write a circuit simulator with various transistor models for my dissertation. Ah the early days...
My experience was similar bsdm, Aztec, Microsoft visual C all the versions and I used Asm and Masm in parallel. So I agree with Dr Chuck
I absolutely agree with the importance of C. I learned C after assembly language (on the DG Nova and the 8086) and I still have the 1978 edition on my bookshelf. After using many languages over my career, I still use C every day (mostly on microcontrollers). My mentor who wrote our first C compiler back then recently passed away. I credit Jerry Masker with providing every foundation of my experience.
I learned C on my own in the late 80's but took a course on advanced C from Robert Kroll at Roosevelt University in '91. What a great teacher! Bell Labs and Kroll were instrumental in the development of HTML at the time - which he demonstrated in that advanced class. That man had a brain of a 30 year old - he was I think in his late 60's early 70's at the time. Learned so much in that semester about Computer Science - especially data structures from that great teacher. I think C would be a great second language for todays aspiring programmers - but should only be used for specialized processes where speed is critical. Much like inline Assembler that we used for the same reason back in the day. Great video! Much success in your endeavours!
C is one of the first languages I learned. Its amazing to look back at the number of languages Ive used. Pascal and C were the foundation.
I fiddled with basic on old computers but not much. It wasn't until school days I started playing with borland t-pascal that I learned procedures,functions etc.. my first real language 😀
Cobol --> Fortran --> C --> Ada --> Python --> Bash (if you consider it one). Eons of difference from what most of the younger devs tend to learn.
Hi guys , i' m a 57 old german it nred in Brazil and i follow most of both of your channels David and Dr. Chuck. I loved this interview and actually i'm revising my skills with the material offered by Dr. Chuck. Thank you very much for your unpayable contribution.
Really great to hear the back story, excellent! I could listen to Dr. Chuck for hours.
Thank you!
I'm a 60 yo programmer/EE who learnt C (PL1, PLP, etc.) back in the day, and wrote a bunch of C++ (in the CAD/CAM industry). Today i work in fin-tech, write in Python.
Dr. Chuck connects it all together.
Finally, a man who understands how c++ should be taught using c, so that students can flow from c to c++ without all the confusion it usually entails. I don't think anyone has taught in this way before.
I taught myself C programming in the mid 80s. Very robust and useful language. Retired electronics systems engineer from the Defense industry, and I can still say it's my favorite software language by far. It was easy to learn, and perfect for standalone programs in radar target tracking, missile tracking, project planning, systems test and evaluation and more. Also used it for "patches" to other programs written in C source code.
I learned Basic, Pascal, COBOL and C in college back in the day, but C and its various flavors are my favorites, still have my first college book "C the complete reference"
Every time you browse through that manual, you will get some new ideas! Especially the appendix part!
I love this discussion. I learned BASIC by using the TRS-80 at any Radio Shack store that would ignore me sitting at the computer while typing in my handwritten code. My first computer was a Commodore Vic-20. I tried to write a game using BASIC and soon discovered that 3.5k of memory is insufficient for a game program in BASIC. Then I learned 6502 Assembler, which was the absolute best education for me to learn how computers work. That knowledge allowed me to grasp all the languages I have learned since. (C, C++, dBASE, SQL, Pascal, VB, C#, Java, JavaScript, Python, HTML, etc.) Thank you for flooding me with memories.
Freely Quoted: If you have a problem with an operating system it is almost always related to C.
Yes.... And car accidents are almost always related to car as aircraft accidents are almost always related to airplanes.
Most descent code is written in C, mostly for a reason.
The fact that most programmers use C for the wrong reason (it is cool so i have to) but have no clue how computers work relates to the programmers, not to the language.
I see so many things go wrong using C#, Visual-whatever (for those that still stick to MicroSoft).
I see so many people using children languages rather than learn a couple of well designed (often archaic) languages) that are just to prevent memory leaks.
These days we choose or programming languages for ease us usage without thorough knowledge about computers.
I even notice a lot of bad behaviour on modern (usualy cheap) embedded electronics that uncover use of frameworks programmers do not understand...
pffff.... Sorry Chuck..... nice chap for a beer, let's leave it with that
I actually worked at AT&T Bell Labs from the late 80's to the late 90's as a "Computer Design Specialist" which was a fancy way of saying "artist." I was tech oriented, though, and provided visualization for a lot of R&D. I eventually taught myself C to build custom CG modeling tools for industrial design jobs. However, I remember roaming the halls of the Whippany, Holmdel, and Murray Hill campuses, and the ongoing push for OOP/C++. It's possible that I'd run into both of those guys, or even worked on jobs for them and/or their departments. They were fun times...... but I can only say that in retrospect 😅
9:47 - It's important to note that Python is powerful not because of the language (except that thinking Pythonically is simply a superior way to think) ("I run circles around you logically!") but because of the extensive libraries provided along with the language. Now you can do the same sort of thing with C++ using the Boost Libraries...
Bingo. Python's power comes from its reliance on C libraries.
C is the second language I learned after Basic. Then C++... I love C++, it made me think like a processor. And it was easier for me to learn C#. That was in the 90s.
Learned C in high school and moved to C++, you will learn so much of "what not to do and what not to use!", totally agreed, do not use C or C++ unless it is absolutely a must for your project, nowadays we have much more efficient and safer languages for different tasks. Learning C and C++ teaches you a lot of what not to do and what not to use, then you end up appreciate all the new language today! Heavily used C in university for my CS & EE degrees, mostly for data structure courses, OS courses, and microcontroller.
Completely agree. You have to know a lot more about the lower level of the OS you are programming for with C/C++. Back in the early days of C++ it was pretty difficult to change your mindset from programming C (functional) to learning C++ (object-oriented).
So, which language _do_ you use?
@@JackFalltrades Web Development: Django framework with Python
All Windows related: C#
Mobile Development: Kotlin & Java, yes Kotlin for iOS as well
Game: I use mostly Unity engine (C#), for serious game development stick to C++
Microcontroller: C is still the King, but starting out, Arduino and MicroPython is super friendly
Embedded system (linux): Python
ASIC: VHDL
Data science: Python
These are what I will go to first as of now. Basically there are many tools for the right task, however, I see that many ppl in the industry tend to use what they know best, however that is not always the best way to do it because there are better and more efficient tools that will get your product to the market faster. Time to market is the key here in our industry, so it depends, but yes Python is very easy to learn and you can use it for many tasks! As for professional with products that relates to public safety, we have to use the right tools because speed and accuracy and reliability are 3 most important things in these products.
I started in Assembler, later graduated to C. If you want compactness and breathtaking speed, these 2 can't be beat. Nothing beats them for writing systems software etc. However one really needs to know how hardware ticks. The "flaws of C" is the programmer, not the language...
Perfect timing - I'm an old-school Grand-Pa from Germany ... I love Dr. Chuck !
That is the most interesting and all nerd-out charming intro to a programming course I have ever heard. I love the statement "Everything was difficult in 1978". We need much more appreciation for all the amazing people in the past who did not accept the status quo but went the Bender principle: "Oh yeah? Well, I'm gonna build my own theme park!!!"
C and the Macro Assembler were where I learned to program. Just like in the old west, we made up the rules as we went along. I am lucky to have lived and worked as a programmer back then. I had the honor to meet Dennis Ritchie in Las Vegas one year at Comdex. It was quite an honor as he was one of my programming heroes. Those were truly the days, it was quite a ride.
I still have your book from 1978. I bought it while living in Munich.
glad Indian system included C as primary language in GATE engineering exam. Due to this many students have good foundation and depth knowledge in C
@adiscriptswhat gui toolkit you use ? Gtk ??
Dr. Chuck, I loved your story about your student who is now a teacher, and one of his students becoming a teacher. A coach/mentor told me, 40 years ago: I am a candle, lighting other candles, who light other candles. It's a powerful way to affect the world.
David Bombal: " You need to learn C if you're C-rious about becoming a C-nior developer." C what I did there?🤭🤭🤭
IC 😂
Nice - Never saw that until you pointed it out.
No
@@ChuckSeverance "Never saw that until you pointed it out" --->> POINTERS? Chuck you sound like gcc compiler🤭🤭🤭
C. As in Si as in Spanish for yes
Assembly should be the first programming language one learns, but only a small amount of time should be dedicated to it; just enough to get the gist. Next should be C, but again, just enough to get the gist. Then Python or some other higher-level language.
Dr. Chuck is awesome! I am currently going through his Python course and will be going onto C after
Please give Dr. Chuck thanks from all of us for his generosity.
This presentation should be required for all new programmers! Dr. Chuck is absolutely brilliant.
When I get to the same age as Dr. Chuck, if I'm as excited about my work as he is about his, I'll consider it a win.
Code to unlock and Learn C is '42'
Thanks Man
How did you decode it?
@@benzuriel4466 On Dr. Chuck's website, look at the number on his race car.
@@benzuriel4466 its the number on the car.
Hey stop 😭
5:23 - I've got it on my shelf. But, then again, I have forty years of professional C language programming experience. My first real C machine was the CCI Power 6/32 aka "Tahoe" as in BSD 4.3 Tahoe, the first non-VAX architecture to support BSD Unix - an architecture designed to run C optimally and to be 7 times faster than a VAX-11/32. At one point in time I was working with customers programming in C (Unix OS), FORTRAN (Language and transcendental library), and ADA (language required for DoD programs which used the FORTRAN transcendental library and ran on UNIX) at the same time...
I agree. Learning C is essential to becoming a good software developer. I started in the late 1980s. Writing Windows programs using the Windows SDK and C was a major challenge. It took a lot of work. But that foundation paved the way for C++ , Java, and C# down the road. The thing about writing C code back in those early days is that we had to learn how to conserve resources. Every byte was important. The other thing was that the tools were primitive compared to today. I unit-tested the heck out of everything I wrote. We were writing software that was being sold to the highest-profile companies. It couldn't fail ever. That training and mindset stayed with me for the rest of my career. Even though I am retired from the normal workweek grind, I still write C++ code that uses web services to gather data for analysis. I think it is fun, and it can be highly profitable.
I'm so glad I found Dr. Chucks classes. He's an amazing teacher.
Thanks for making these videos, you keep me motivated to break into this field. I am 30 coming from non tech background, trying to get into cybersecurity. I will say I go on Reddit and all the doom and gloom over there really gets me demotivated, I come back and listen to you and feel a lift in my spirit. I must become a master and not just a drone.
Thanks for your work
I grew up learning a little bit of this and a little bit of that in programming, (Basic, C, MDL, AutoLISP, Assembly) and always had the six sense of the code running, now I understand why hearing the good Dr talk about concepts over syntax. I also want to thank you both for sharing, and praise God some people are genuine and giving to the world we live in. Thank-you and God bless you both!
I did learn C right after python, after that I picked up many other programming languages and I've been programming for 8 years now. I am self-taught though, hiring managers prefer on paper experience and love certifications and mostly degrees all of which I find lame, it is possible to still get hired but it ain't easy.
I think the most important language I learned was assembly on an old 8086 (and later an 8051, though that's a microcontroller and not a microprocessor). I'd learned C several years before that and almost nothing made sense to me because things were not taught properly. What is memory? What is a pointer really? Everything made sense after learning assembly. Writing code in assembly is super painful, though, so I agree with Dr Chuck, assembly and C are important to learn but shouldn't be used for most things.
Way cool to find out how C and C++ and then Python developed! And even cooler to see how a master teacher’s mind works - thanks to both of you🙏🏼
I cut my teeth on assembly language for multiple machines. I wrote my own drivers, interrupt structures, editors, operating systems, data transmission, etc. This provided a baseline for coding higher level languages.
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I really recommend anyone who is really serious to learn computer architecture/software to take From NAND to Tetris course. Very solid course .. challenging and fun.
Thank you for hosting such an amazing interview. Dr Chuck is a legend and should be revered for his gifts to humanity.
Spent 20 years with OO, Solid patterns, TTD, and all the other technicalities around writing robust OO code. I was absolutely convinced this was the right way to code, especially since it makes sense representing everything using classes as construct. Until I learnt functional programming with F#. I can't see myself ever going back to OO. But hey, whatever floats your boat. :)
They both have their place. I want to see you write a text editor without OOP and then we can compare it to mine
Functional programming didn’t really take… You won’t see much of it in tier 1, 2, and 3 companies
@@NameRedacted-fn4io Did you ever try F#? I'm working for a US Telcom and since we switched from C#, we write 95% code in F# and that includes full stack web apps. See SAFE stack and Fabulous.
David, THIS is a damn great talk! Thanks for that one! Being a person who took Dr. Chucks Python course and having learned Java & C# in the past, I am highly motivated now to take his new C course and get better in general understanding about how things work from within their binary guts ;) Big thanks to Dr. Chuck for his work & to David for his perfectly performed and friendly talks!!
35 years doing IBM Assembler. Provided that I have the design specs, I can program it.
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41:09 - I met Linux Torvalds when he was porting Linux to the Power PC architecture. He basically started his presentation with "I hope there aren't any Power PC users out there" and proceeded to bad-mouth the architecture for the balance of his presentation. Afterward I presented him my business card - I was vending a Power PC product with a proprietary combined SVR4.2 ESMP/BSD environment at that time. He was afraid I was going to let him have it. I told him I agreed completely with all of his observations. I also thanked him for making being a computer geek AND a Finlander cool...
I think it was way back in 1984 that a colleague of mine had a C query. He accessed a Bulletin Board run by Dennis Ritchie. The response he got was almost immediate from the Guru himself and we calculated that it was around 2 AM at Bell Labs. It was amazing that he was awake at that hour.
I learned C only because I was assembler freak and C was way more productive, then I met Go and I love Go. If I ever need to be lower I think about C++ and Zig. But whilst C++98 is nothing new for me so C++11, C++14, C++17 etc seem to be like strangers. Zig seems to be a good choice to start from the ground level. I prefer compiled, statically typed languages but sometime opponents like: PHP, Python and just bash do the job. Thanks for the video. Cheers!
Java Class is a way to organize code, if you need C to interface with operating systems then write interfaces that you call from your Java classes and objects and get the best of both worlds.
David, Thanks for bringing Dr. Chuck to your audience. And Dr. Chuck, thank you for doing all that you do!
Almost 10 years ago I took the Python for everybody specialization courses from Dr. Chuck, and that was life changing, in a good way. I don’t want to pump the expectations but the C course might be another life changing course. Thanks David for hosting these great interviews! 🙏
Thanks for sharing!
This man is a great professor. But above all, he's a wonderful human being.
Thanks a tonne for bringing on Dr Chuck. He is a super amazing technologist + my favourite doctor. I was lucky enough to meet him few years back at Bletchley Tech park (home of the code breakers) & that was such a wonderful moment.
David and Dr Chuck thank you for your contribution to help people learn and grow. I hope very soon the same opportunities will be available to millions of people in South and Central America in SPANISH and FRENCH in Africa for french speakers. As a french living in Paris I feel very priviledged having these life changing courses for FREE. This is the best softpower USA can have in this world.
I love Dr.Chucks passion for programming
Thank you, Dr. Chuck. God bless you. I took my C and UNIX courses 30 years ago, and your dedication and teaching style continue to inspire us.
Thank you very much Dr. Chuck. I'm a 62 year old person who is very interested in programming. My first project would be to turn all my bash scripts to python programs, then to C.
First language I learned in CS was Pascal. Then I learned Z80 assembly language. Then I learned C. And that was all I really needed as C was the primary language during my work life.
back in my freshmen in college in CS days our first language is C++ and using the 1990 Turbo C++ as an IDE and me and other classmates after learning it for a whole year and we go to Java, JS, and python and we said that well it's easy to adapt now...
The first language I learned on high school was Fortran IV. I learned Algol, BASIC, PASCAL, C, MODULA 2, a tew others, then C++, then C# and JavaScript.
I learn C long ago, will relearn it again. I got into another field. If i move up, we get into controller programming. IT field is too competitive now.
One thing I partially agree with Chuck is that one MUST learn C. However, I think one MUST use it (in production) to learn it deeply being conscious of the memory warts; and then stop using it and move to a better and modern language.
There is a host of better and modern programming languages:
Nim, Zig, Rust, Odin, Chapel, Go etc.
He is such a great teacher. So glad I gave his content a chance. Made learning exciting again.
Was amazed how powerful C is. Never thought I'd still one most powerful after decades
I agree with Dr. Chuck..1st should be Python, then 2nd dive deep into C.
C syntax is actually very simple, just like Python. My 2nd lang was Javascript and C was my 3rd lang.
If you understand C, the levels of understanding the hardware, compilers, pointers, arrays, resource allocation ... is much, much deeper. If you only play on the upper levels, then Python. I always wish C had been updated with a bug/syntax/resource checks. C compiled code is still faster and smaller in many cases. My background was hardware debugging, it was my goto for troubleshooting! Wore out at least 3 copies of C white book. The best book ever written for programming, but takes several reads, most of the time, to get most of the nuances it is very correct, very dense.
David Bombal - you always have nuggets - valuable nuggets of information - and knowledge that I am always compelled to view your shows so as to improve myself.
This show wasn’t just a nugget, it’s a stick of valuable Bullion of gold- error - Bullion of knowledge and information that I will hold onto and use. You continue to arm me to be better able to position myself in my path of my journey through this world. Thank you!
I started with python. And i agree, it's the best way to start. Second language for me, however was assembly. Yes. Assembly (x86). I don't understand much from it, i went to C and Rust quickly from that. I gotta go back to assembly someday.
Yes, C has no command "goto",(it's like assembler without command "jmp").
learned 8080 assembly basic pascal c and then i discovered forth it was an epiphany i do programming for fun and professionnally just for test equipment control. I use only forth amazing.
You know what's just as important is learning your way around the development environment. Somebody needs to do a course on visual studio and other development environments aimed at beginners.
I had a C programming book on my desk years ago while working with PL/I. A C project started up and folks thought I knew C and brought me on to the project since I had the book on my desk. I did not say anything and then spent the next 9 years programming in C. :)
Thanks, David! Great episode! Big thanks to Dr. Chuck for free education dedication. Loved his story of start with Python then learn C which ends where python starts. Regards from Egypt!
I never thought I would watch this whole hour-long video, but just wanted to see where it was coming from. But I couldn't stop. A very interesting take on many aspects of software development. I started working with computers in 1969, and I'm still doing a bit of software development now, approaching age 75. You'd think I'd know better by now, but it seems not! And yes, I own a copy of the 1978 edition of Kernighan and Ritchie. Thanks for this, great stuff.
Awesome interview. I am currently leaning C and Python with EDX Harvard CS50. I have already done a Bootcamp prior to that I have been self teaching 4 years. Being writing code for 8 years. Please do come to NZ. If you can. It would be good to meet you and also host an event.
Great timing with this video 😂 I just started learning C earlier this week!
Same here! 😂
I learned 'C' before there was a python language. So I learned the two in reverse. But the use of the two languages can be a pretty powerful combination. I do have a 1st edition of K&R. I treasure it, and keep it in its own slip case. Great discussion.
SUGGESTION: From what the professor said regarding him doing more of documentaries through research than writing books; he could talk these wonderful deductions while recording them as audio and later on have them converted into text using TEXT-TO-SPEECH Libraries or even code his own better version of a T-T-S program so he can have electronic books of his amazing findings which could then be effortlessly edited for a final documentation.
Thanks for the great job you have been doing - I have been treasuring your works since the first day I watched 'Django For Everyone' tutorials
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This one of the best videos I have seen in a while!! Thank you so much to both of you
C is great because its closer to assembly than most modern high level languages, but ultimately assembly and its variants are the best programming langugages to learn.
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I agree to learn C but learn it first then you appreciate Python more. Then really learn C in professional environment, preferably in embedded. Thanks for this video, really great!
I started with K&R C and COBOL. It was awesome. Later on, there are BASIC, Pascal, etc. Strange thing is that COBOL is still active because business has not change. OOP is about controlling the code and structure prog is about building programs so that it can be shared. In the end, it is about real time solutions to current problems. Perhaps, in future, there may be Smarter language with responsible secured development. Thanks guys.
The difference between knowing Python (et al) and knowing C is the difference between knowing what pushing a gas pedal does and knowing the complete combustion cycle in the engine.
C is a foundational language. It’s in everywhere . 4:27 4:29
A lot of people don't know that C# is now cross-platform since .NET 5 but also has support for pointers? It's closer to C++ than Java. I've been writing code for iOS and Linux in C#, so it's definitely a language I would put in my top 5 to learn, certainly above C++. My first language was Apple BASIC which didn't even have for loops or functions.
OMG... it's been decades since I last saw that Kernighan & Ritchie book! Actually I probably still have mine somewhere in storage.
Dr. Chuck and David Bombai - awesome!
One thing I can never describe is; what it's like to have a boss. I have been putting food on the table and built a decent sized business, thanks to BASIC, since the mid 80's.
Clueless people still believe that it's line-numbers and GOTOs but this hasn't been the case since the mid-80s.
It was once alleged that I was _really_ a front for a team of programmers because I developed and debugged in such a short time.
Today I use BASIC on the PC, Android devices and microcontrollers. I have the option of interpreters _and_ compilers.
When I went to school, in the 1970's until the 1990's, there were never any A B C options. Our answers were always our own words, sentences, calculations or whatever was asked for. Drawing and X in a box was unheard of to me until I took the test for my driving license.
C is good because it forces you to understand what you are doing. If you don't know what you are doing it will become obvious.
C is an amazing language. It can be as simple or as complex as you need it to be. And only use a KB of memory/space.. sorry Angular
I write python extensions in C, though I use embedded python with C++. I can write in machine code now, making assembly easier to understand. The thing about Assembly Its just human readable version of machine code.
Thank You for most useful 1 hour discussing programming and languages and the philosophy behind them.
First I would like to thank David and Dr. Chuck for this extraordinary informative video. From Indonesia.
Back in the day we had to know machine language to make our 8-bit 6502 and 16-bit 68000 do more than what BASIC would allow us to do. We (self) learned a lot of low level stuff by playing around and copying code from magazines. Now, as a senior software engineer, one of the joys is passing on knowledge to raise up junior engineers and watch them go onto to make far more money than they otherwise might have.
11:42 - Middleware - creating a paradigm that describes your problem as well-defined segments of code as data structures and functions and ultimately objects... then addressing that problem with your middleware...
I know the best language we can all agree on.
The best language is.. the one you're most experienced with
Microcontrollers are the only reason I have to go back to C. 😢
What about assembly language?
@@savagepro9060I prefer c tbh
I learned C from the Ritchie C book in the 80's.