I thought he was absolutely candid and emphasized that an airshow exhibit wasnt sufficient proof of concept. I agree. Lets see what the future brings.😊
Russia has tested the Su57 in two theatres, with corresponding data arrays informing design. China has no active theatre of operations but have produced robust-looking technological marvels that have Americans worried. Two philosophies are divergent: China is the embodiment of 'peace through strength'..building capacity in order to never having to fight with it. Russians are different, designing - in the wake of repeat murderous incursions, resilience, durability and capability into every armament platform. The fact is Russia and China exist as sovereign nations..superpowers no less! They must be doing many things right considering what they've endured in the modern era.
@@prastagus3pakistanis do that for china every plane, missile or naval asset chines have given to pakistan they have tested and used it in various theatres
Of course, he will promote his own country's fighter jets. Would you expect otherwise? Chinese usually hold back on showing off to the public, unlike the West, or Russia.
Older Chinese aren't so outward in expressing their pride, not so the younger generations! There is a side of Chinese culture we do not see which is coming to the fore in China today..the need to outdo all others. What is positive about this comparison is the Russian jet is demonstrably Russian in appearance and characteristics, the Chinese jet is an improved version of an American jet.. It will be some time before this mindset is finally done away with.
Different design for different mission set, the T-50 in the show is demonstration model, the J-35A in the show is late development test model... Which render this comparison meaningless. Especially when Russia is trying to sale Su-57, but China is just making debut of an up coming new fighter model, of course the Russians will say something like this, you can tell that Chinese are fully aware of this situation, as their military enthusiast gives almost no real reaction to this interview. And Sergey also bought high quality model sets for both J-20 and J-35A himself, that tells the truth...
@@jason59k55 The truth is, that T-50 Sergey fly to the air show, were serviced and refilled by Chinese field personal before the Russian ground team were even arrived, that means the Chinese field service personals have been trained (and have equipment) to take care T-50/Su-57, have a reading on what does that truly means...
Yeah, i remember that during this year Zhuhai air show. There's a photo of him purchasing two big boxes of diecast models, one is J-20 and the other is J-35A.
@@ГарриМуллан Stealth, electronics, system integration, and quantity. But I do not mean the design choices of Su-57 is not good. It serves well for Russia's strategy.
The Russian fighter is of course great in it's ability to do these aerial stunts but that's not to say Chinese can't make a plane that can do the same things. If you search J10 cobra maneuver you can see the Chinese j10 with thrust vector nozzle can do the cobra, j turn, and falling leaf maneuver as well years ago at the airshow. If they don't have it in the current generation planes means they don't think it's important to have. Take that as you'd like.
I think Su-57 can be the most maneuverable 5th generation fighter. Yes, it can be. But stealth fighters are not like 4th generation fighters. Avionics, RCS, long range missiles are much more important than before. J-35 is not for 'BEST'. It is cheaper and cost effective choice. It won't have high speed, maneuverability, equipment like J-20. It won't have better performance than J-20. It can contribute to PLAA with quantity of stealth fighters. It is very very important for China's security.
In Stealth vs Stealth Scenario, its unlikely that both your and enemy Nation Stealth Jet would be able to detect each other at Long Range. they both would be Undetectable until they are somewhat close If you want to Shut Down Enemy Stealth jet with your own, your own Stealth Fighter would very likely engage at range that shorter, much shorter. Battle within Visual Range is much more likely happen in 5th Gen Aircraft than Engagement betwen 4th Gen Jet - imo
@@ricosun Wingman Drone would be even harder to detect. in Theory at least acting as Picket sound good. but opponent 5th gen is basicly also field similiar system. so it didnt realy change the situation imo. Drone would encounter opponent Drone first. while both Manned aircraft would lurking try to pounce each other while staying invinsible as much as they can. the engagement would be mostly indecisive IMO, Stealth Fighter would end up avoid each other most of time. and just bullying and bullyng the non-Stealthy one
@@thehumus8688 during exercise between Thai and China, Grippen defeated J-11 (SU-27) in BVR while J-11 defeated Grippen in dogfight. That explain a lot why lower RCS, avionics, and radar more important than subsonic maneuverability. If Grippen can defeat J-11 in BVR then there is no need for dogfight. Grippen is smaller hence lower RCS compared to SU27, and has better avionics.
One is desperate to sell the plane to earn foreign exchange and income. The other is more interested to design newer plane and engine and to defend itself. SU-57 is a good plane but is it stealthy enough, that is open to debate. Science and fluid mechanics don't change because of your nationality. Stealth comes with with a toll on stability and flight capability. It is not rocket science that a balance need to be maintained. Russia choose less stealthy for more stability. It is a choice. But you cannot say those who choose otherwise are wrong.
Everyone keeps making airplanes with wings. Could you get a more stealthy plane with no wings using concealed “all around” distributed vectoring ducts for “lift” and maneuverability? Push your nose around with direct reaction thrusters? The jet engines of today are outrageously powerful and you might be able to sneak in a smaller engine or lift fan in the nose for takeoff and landing on a wingless design.
С чего вы взяли что он видимый. У него самый лучший РЭБ. Серийный вообще обладает исключительными характеристиками мало заметности. Китайцы, покупайте SU57Э, не пожалеете.
Excellent point. As the Russians showed in defeating Nazi Germany, cheaper more numerous T-34s, which did 75% of what the heavy Tigers and Panther tanks of the Germans did, won the second world war in Europe.
Sukhoi 57 operated freely over Ukraine and even managed to shotdown an UAV that went rogue without even getting bothered by Ukraine (mostly western Made ) AD systems.
Surprised that anyone would care what a Russian would have to say. If a Russian was comparing the Su-57 to a 9th gen fighter with a compact fusion reactor and 360 degree high energy lasers with 500 mile effective range that can shoot down 400 fighter jet sized targets within 30 seconds, their comparison would still focus on maneuverability.
So true, yet its the same focus on maneuverability that saved an SU-34 from being smoked by three patriot missiles, not so long ago. I guess it has its place in the real world.
There is NO REASON to show your "FULL HAND" in the J-35A. Radar and Weapons systems are MORE important than maneuverability . 6 Vs 4 AA missiles basically mean 50% more "Kills" in any engagement. Plus China new AA missiles are significantly better in Range , Target acquision and "kills" .
@@airaction6423 lmao are you 12? Air combat doesn't work that way, it's not the 1960s anymore. Humans are limited to -3G/+9G before they black out - the if the missile has enough energy to outmanouver 9G airplane, there is no escape. Hence useful missile ranges are denoted "NEZ" or No-Escape Zone. The Meteor has a NEZ over 100km
Russia has modern army and USA ´s weapons never had been tested against modern army like in Ukraine. Russia also has rockets which are mostly better than anything from west. And I do not mean just new hypersonic missilles. Russia has effective jamming systems which is working very well against weapons which used to be effective somewhere in Africa against "enemies" in sandals... Russia has also better tanks IMHO (despite of what we hear from main stream media). The mere fact that the Russians have managed to bring several hypersonic missiles into use (!) within a few years and the Americans, in contrast, have not been able to do so for 10 years, shows the enormous difference. Every single western weapon that has been sent to Ukraine has been a failure.Russia also has more developed strategic nuclear missilles than USA, so I have no doubt, that if nuclear war would start, than all USA ´s and U.K. s big cities would be reduced to a layer of hot radioactive glass within 2 hours and the rest would remain radioactive for next 200 years.. So what does this war mean? Why do they want to defeat Russia? Why? What is wrong with Russia? Did you forget, that Ukraine kept killing Russian language speakers in Donbas since 2014 and USA wanted to get it´s military inside Ukraine in future?(It was said by Bush in 2008 in Bucharest NATO summit, that Ukraine was on path to NATO membership) I am sure that we(I mean people in Europe) should rather get along with Russia, no reason for us to get along with corrupt Ukraine which is promoting it´s Nazi past (Bandera is national hero of Ukraine...), or with USA which hit Germany-pipelines. We need Russia´s cheap energies and minerals, certainly not USA´s expensive gas and their obsolete weaponry. USA is not a friend like Russia used to be prior this war, USA is only using everyone for it´s own interests.
@@cfisher11 Easy answer: Russia achieved Air Superiority over Ukraine many times already by destroying all systems sent by west (Patroot and so on) , however as soon as all systems were destroyed the west was always able to send some new once which is the situation caused by the fact, that this is USA vs Russia in reality..... USA rebuilt Ukraine air defence again and again ...., but, everyone can see that western air defence is working very very poorly anyway.
You're nothing but a propagandist for Russia the US tech that has been sent to Russia has worked very well. The Russian SAM systems like S400 have underperformed and their tanks are no better than any other countries
The FC-31/J-35 can't be as maneuverable as the Su-57 as it wasn't design to be so. This doesn't make the FC-31/J-35 a bad airplane, design. It is more simple, less capable in that aspect(maneuverability) compared to the Su-57. And simple could mean easy and being cheaper. Less hard to maintain, make and fly, less expensive, more attractive price.
@@MA-nl6js But the J-35 will still lack LEVCONs and all-moving vertical tail fins. But sure, it will with that, but i wouldn't know by how much. But do we know that the WS19 will come with TVC? The FC-31 could be equipped with TVC with what is out there. Like the TVC from the Mig-29OVT which uses the RD-33, something that would be applicable to the RD-93 that the first prototype flew with i would imagine. But given how close the engines are on the FC-31/J-35, perhaps there would be a problem.
Airshows can only showcase an aircraft's manoevrability, controlability and stability. That is all you can watch and assess. And the SU-57 (T-50) excels. Now, in terms of actual combat capability - we do not really know. I will argue that the SU-57 is the only 5th-gen platform that has been engaged in actual combat.
One possible area of conflict we might see these two in action is between Pakistan and India. Pakistan is looking to acquire J35 which will force India to buy Su57.
@@EdwarkDiyaz Yes. But if it comes down to it. Do you want them to buy the F-35, KF-21, TF Kaan or an export variant of the FC-31/J-35? Perhaps Russia sees sales potential in selling a TVC variant of the RD-93 engine that would power the FC-31/J-35. Pakistan already got that engine powering their JF-17.
@@EdwarkDiyazdidn't Pakistan help China with stealth tech with that downed stealth helicopter in Pakistan being given to the Chinese for study? I agree with your premise regardless.
T50/Su57 having better manoeuvrability vs J35 wouldnt be surprising given thrust vectoring engines employed by the russian jets. Oth, situatioanal awareness/target acquisition capability of russian jets is very likely lagging behind J35 given russian deficiencies in avionics. I would take better avionics to let me acquire/shoot at enemies first than better manoeuvrability which would only be useful in within visual range engagement
High AOA maneuverability is still very important, as radars get stronger and stronger each generation low observability becomes less relevant. The F22 raptor is stealthy and very maneuverable at the same time, it doesn't have to be one or the other.
China doesnt have as much war experience to fine tune their planes and they had to choose a style and their fighters look more like the american style, and we havent seen much air to air conflict to test those fighters but stealth planes feel like they need a lot of maintenance and mantaining fleets of thousands of those may pose sustainability issues over long term conflict, this aspect of conflict is what russia does focus cost effective, reliable, higher numbers, this can also be seen in their tanks And they dont seem to eager to mass produce the Su-57 until they feel it is just right and they been taking their time to fix all the issues they feel need to be improved before they double down on Su-57 or even their T-14 tank
the j20 has a very distinct look, one that is different from both russia and the us, so i wouldn't say that china is copying the american style-they're trying to find their own style after years of reverse engineering from russian and us jets.
the Su-57 has low numbers specifically because russia wants the Su-57M, which cannot be produced as of now due to delays in the completion of the Al-51F1 for the Su-57M.
@@StraussBR there are certain laws of physics that must be applied to all things, that includes jets flying at Mach speeds. So those laws of physical physics must be applied. It's not about copying anyone. It's about what physical physics are required for that task, airplanes don't fly a Mach speeds so they don't require same physical structures. The laws of physics dictate structure. Those laws are shared by anything attempting to do the same thing . This asinine mentality that others are copying something because they're dealing with the same laws of physics is absolute stupidity. Let's all remember the U.S. stole many designs of physics from the German and Japanese post WW2. Because those laws of physics were more understood by the Germans and Japanese at the time. There's laws of reality to everything, it's not a national thing, it's a physics thing. The more refined and defined those things are to those physics the better performance or outcome
It’s amusing to hear how some people assume that a fighter jet operates like a piece of fashion-where certain similarities are quickly interpreted as copying, all in the pursuit of achieving a comparable level of aesthetic appeal. In reality, the design of a fighter jet is driven by functionality, physics, and engineering necessities, with aesthetics often being a byproduct rather than the primary goal. Moreover, every design choice must be rigorously tested, meaning that partial copying without understanding the underlying principles often renders the attempt ineffective or even useless.
It's very reasonable for him to say I don't know because I've not seen it. Remember, The western countries are not the competitors of Sukhoi or Russia when it comes to selling weapons because the west isn't gonna buy from Russia no matter what. China is their competitor in the Global south market and weapon sales is one of Russia's biggest industries if not the biggest, so of course they don't want to give the Chinese a share of the pie by giving them free publicity. If the Chinese can demonstrate their capabilities they wouldn't need Russians' approval anyways.
Продажа вооружения для нас не является самым крупным поступлением в казну. По последним данным на первом месте это продажа продовольствия, потом энергоресурсы и, наверное с большим отрывом на 5 месте только вооружение. Доля России на мировом рынке вооружения, тоже не являются доминирующим. Первое место США, и наверное 2 или 3 место Россия, может даже Китай впереди.
Well I'm pretty sure that the J-20 and J-35 DON'T have thrust vectoring, it would be obvious if they did. As far as how they perform in stealth/radar/avionics who knows, you'd have to simulate combat conditions and the public will never have access to that data. But if you want to talk manoeuvrability, the SU57 is the best hands-down.
You can compare an eagle with a falcon, and what? Both SU 57 and J 35 are defying the related fighter jets of US, the F-22 & F-35, not each other. The russian and chinese are not rivals, don't compete between them, in their concepcion/design.
Russian military hardware is often the most battle worthy among all nations. The US adds a load of networking, sensor tech, and advanced materials, but we've evidence that they aren't robust, compromised in manuverability, and poor operational readiness (50% for F-35A, worse for F-35B). Chinese 5th generation hasn't seen much action, but their indigenous tech development in Engines (WS-15, WS-19) and AESA radar suite, weapons (PL-10, PL-15) have impressive numbers. In an extended war (not individual skirmish) over months, I think the Russians will edge it against the US as they are more robust and have better missiles (R-37). The Chinese will have a steep learning curve in real battle. A lot will depend on their speed of learning, adapting tactics, battlefield situational awareness, and adjusting their tech to optimize advantages over rivals. The US have never faced a peer competitor in real battle since WWII. In Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Serbia, they have always had superior air-power. That will not be the case in a fight with Russia or China. I believe the US will be shocked at their losses within the first 14-28days.
What are you talking about? Russia airpower has been brought to their heels by Ukraine fourth gen and older technology... It was often viewed what you said to be the case but the showcase of Ukraine has shed light on how Russia's pumped up stats are nothing but air. America would thoroughly destroy Russia in modern war on the air front with how few planes Russia has to bare now. The Su57 shown here, they only have a few that are combat ready...
To be fair, Russia is coping to sell their jets since China isn't buying but become one of the seller as well. How many SU57 are actually in services and combat ready? 4. How many prototypes of T50/SU57, 10. How many J20? 200. JFirn isnt wrong, no matter how capable or powerful SU57, 4 is not enough to cover the airspace of Russia if regional wars happened. Don't get me wrong, I'm fan of the felon as well but let's the fact sink in, Sergei is there as salesman so he had to comment in such way.
Give him a break he loves Russia and loves sukhoi. Ask any red blooded Chinese young man that isn't jaded and loves his people and loves fighters. He will praise his nation's fighters. Russia is a great power, but is dwarfed by China. Many in Russia are aware but some are proud. Don't be too hard on them. I love both you guys and want us all to be friends in spite of what my nation has done to so many people.
Russia is not dwarfed by anyone.They are fighting 31 nation and wining.They also have way more resources especially with added ones from Donbas then China.I mean China is first economic power that doesn't mean overall Russia is dwarfed.
@@markolumovic275031? Did the other 20 surrender already? If you are already fighting them then why is that each time they are crossing 'the red line' you threaten them with war. You are fighting Ukraine while Ukraine got its rights hand tied behind its back.
@@Grim_Reaper_from_Hell Only one in this SMO is one nation that is crippled.And that is Russia.They can"t do genocide like "Chosen People" .If Medjedev was President this story would be really different.
@@markolumovic2750 For three years you are bombing all of the Ukrainian cities but at the same time you believe that it is a crime for Ukraine to respond in kind. And your antisemitic comment speaks for itself.
so many people in this comment section have made superficial comments on the Su-57 vs J-35. the Su-57 follows an asymmetric philosophy compared to the J-35, it is also more designed to counter stealth than to be entirely stealth itself. it has far better manoeuvrability than the J-35, beyond its 3D thrust vectoring, its LERX, extremely large lifting area, and LEVCON ehich allows for extreme AoA. the Su-57 has a much larger payload capacity in its internal bays, such as 4 Kh-69 cruise missiles. the Su-57's avionics are not at all inferior to the J-35, the Su-57 has 360 degree radar coverage, L-band radars for detecting stealth aircraft, DIRCM to increase survivability and this isnt even accounting for potential developments for the Su-57M which heavily modernised avionics.
@@MA-nl6js true the Su-57 only has a 1st generation AESA, but this only one factor and is absolutely not a deal breaker when combined with all the other avionics it does have, along with those we dont know about, not accounting for potential megapolis upgrades. also it is believed that the J-35 will not be able to store the PL-15 in instead carry the PL-12, and the Su-57 very much does have the capacity to fit longer range missiles. missiles are a similar fault the USA has. and while the Su-57 has a higher RCS than the J-20, it also has anti-stealth detection through its of IRST, X-band radar, and especially its L-band radar which with sensor fusion can very likely create a lock on a stealth fighter from a distance, and at the very least it is certainly able to detrct a stealth fighter from long range.
@@jason59k55 L-band radar has low resolution, it needs help from X-band and IRST to identify the target at long range, while X-band & IRST is not effective against stealth fighter like J35/j20 from long distance. In the meantime Gan Aesa of J35 is strong enough to detect and identify SU57 from long distance.
@@MA-nl6js on the L-band: that is why i said "with sensor fusion," it can direct a general area to search and, as i said before if you were reading, when combined with datalink, triangulation, X-band(which may be able to narrow its search beam with guidance from L-band), and IRST/EOWATS information may very well be able to create a lock with combined amounts of small signatures from many different sensors.
Well the J35A is a magnitude stronger than the Su57. According to data given at the Zhuhai airshow and military blogs the J35A has a RCS of 0.01 (same as F22A) vs 0.1 of the Su57. It can supercruise at M1.5 and a max speed of M2.2. The J35A will be equipped with 2 WS19 engines with thrust vectoring so it will be as maneoverable as the Su57. It has AESA radar at least 1 gen ahead of the Su57 and DAS which the Su57 doesn't have. Also the Russians don't have anything like the PL15. The Su57 R37/R37M is too big and is normally carried outside the internal weapon bay. U can only fit 2 R37M inside the weapons bay vs 6 PL15 can be fitted into the J35A. The radar seeker for the R37 is very crude and can only be used to target slowing moving tankers/AWASC while the PL15 can take down almost anything.
@@akka2011hk Your comment reminds me of the seventies and eighties HiFi write-ups where on paper Japanese HiFi was perfect, had the latest tech and cost less. When you rigged the equipment up for live tests it was a different story! In real conditions, Russian kit has an unsurpassed reputation for reliability. Stealth as a concept, in my opinion, is a passing fad. In the 70's it was variable geometry everything! Before that everything had a top speed of mach 2.0 on paper..Fast forward to now and all those Israeli F35's that took off to touch up the Iranians good and proper, had a shock when shortly after takeoff, indicators revealed they'd been locked onto..ie sitting ducks. Stealth is a gimmick. Like all other gimmicks from the world's gimmick superpower, they are impressive on paper but compromised in reality. Your quotation of radar cross-section figures is a case in point..presumably the Israeli jets flew towards Iranian airspace relying upon such. Their mission was aborted to preserve their lives. Maybe the Su 35 which did for 'Moonfish' operated to a different maxim: get airborne, remove the threat, get home safe..your tables can be discussed over coffee, upon return.
@@akka2011hk You posted a fair and reasonable assessment. The idea of Stealth being a "fad" is has no merit. The S-300 and S-400 were developed due to the legitimate and proven capabilities of Stealth platforms. If it was a fad, ship,aircraft and even weapons would not require low-observable features. Like the Aircraft Carrier, nations that have studied Stealth and can produce the technology do it. The Late Pierre Sprey claimed Stealth was a hoax yet various conflicts have given proof that it works, hence why so many nations either purchase platforms like the Burke Class DDG, the Type 52C/D and type 55 Guided Missile Destroyers, the Lafayette Class Frigates an of course, the J-20,J-35,F-22,F-35 and the various Fighters and Bombers in testing. As far as the Su-57, if it was a game changer, it would be dominating the Air Space over Ukraine, which it cannot do to systems like the S-300 and other systems. The T-50 put on a great airshow but the Su-57s on the line look to not be survivable over the modern Battlefield. India for example saw that the Su-57 was not worth the investment. The PLAAF has over 200 5th Fighters with reduced Radar signatures because they did the research, saw various uses in combat of other Stealthy platforms and decided it was worth the efforts. Totally agree with your assessment. MiG-29s and F-16s practice with various F-22s,F-35s and less Stealthy Rafales and F-18 and do well in the merge but getting to the merge is where non-stealthy aircraft struggle. Israel has done very well with the F-35 against Syrian and Russian S-300s and now even the S-400 and Iranian variant as well. Interestingly, the F-22, F/A-18 and a few older jets can do most of the same maneuvers, the Saab Draken did the Cobra back in the 1960s.
@@akka2011hk They are different generations of aircraft. In large-scale peer to peer conflict, hangar queens won't last long. Air strips might need decanting to motorways, or even fields prepared for STOL. Russians understand this having experienced reconstruction of their entire industrial plant DURING such conflict; something no Western nation has managed. Current export models of Russian kit are what their plants would turn out during any extended conflict..NATO would not last longer than a month as its air assets would have nothing to land on following the first 48hrs of hypersonics delivering denial munitions. Currently Russia is looking at reconstitution of 80's jets to deliver FAB's to greater distances. Ukraine is a guide in one sense but misleading in many others. It is a Special Military Operation..trains still run in Ukraine. In a full-blown war, what Russia does over two years by increment, would happen in the first two days. Ukrainians sued for peace in the first few weeks, thinking their onslaught code-real..unfortunately for them, they were misled by Biden and Johnson. NATO will never be able to achieve air superiority in any conflict with Russia or China. Your citing of Ukrainian S300 ignores the fact that NATO has no comparable system and given the force structure employed against Ukraine, there's no need for them to needlessly risk air assets while NATO remains close by.
one is a middle weight fighter jet, another is a heavy weight. Of course the heavy weight can do more with those thrust. 5th gen emphasize on stealth less on manuverability. its goal is stealth, sneak attack and leave. J-35 is set for naval warfare not air dominance warfare. Even the airforce version of j-35 is meant for defending the air not dominance, that is J-20's role
Прятаться за облаками, не лучший способ воевать, возможно вас видят, и вам придётся драпать от скоростного планера, и вашей скорости ,манёвренности не хватит отбиться.
I agree with your statement. Also to note, at this airshow was presented a prototype, not the serial production plane, which has better stealth characteristics.
@@omarZZQQ well he's as good to ask as a random person in the comment section. No one has detail information on both platforms so it's impossible to compare.
For deployed platforms, China is actually the world leader in airframes; the J-20 has both a lower empty weight than the F-22 yet a higher MTOW. Incredible use of composites and titanium.
Some of the most important factors in a real war are cost and ease of manufacturing. I'm no expert on advanced fighter aircraft, but the J-35 looks light and cheap, while the Su-57 looks expensive. Even against the J-20, far more J-20s have been built and are in operation than Su-57s. and the J-35 is set to be even lower-cost and higher-volume than the J-20. Quantity wins wars more than quality does.
@@chingtuckmeng1122 that is only a showcase prototype. The real ones belong to the Russia military and they don't use them for this purpose because they are installed with classified Russian tech.
You raise a good point here that most don't consider. In war time economy mode, China has the manufacturing capabilities to reproduce any of their weapons much faster than anyone else. The bulk of their ammunitions will be replaced as soon as they're fired. No one else comes near having this capability.
There is no fighter out there except maybe the f22 that is remotely close to the Su57 in maneuverability. It isn't surprising since the others don't prioritize that over other capabilities. So his point is correct. The Su57 absolutely is on a level of it's own in maneuverability.
The J-10C has done the cobra and falling leaf maneuvers, and it's a single engine fighter. Nobody's seen the F-22 do any such thing. Plus, F-22 is a hangar queen, is expensive to maintain & they ain't making any new ones anymore.
The J-20 is actually extremely maneuverable even without TVC. Most people underestimate the aerodynamics of the J-20. If anyone bother to learn about the J-20 design, they will understand just how insane it is. The fact that it is a canard delta config makes it naturally a very maneuverable jet. It has multiple vortexes system from the canard, strake and delta wing, along with coupling of those vortexes with the vertical stabilisers. Now that it will be paired with the WS-15, it has enough thrust to do whatever it wants. Arguably the final version of the J-20 will be more maneuverable than both the F-22 and Su-57 simply because its aerodynamic layout is superior to conventional layout. The reason why the Americans did not use canard delta is because they brute force their fighters with powerful engines because they arrogantly think no one can match their jet technology. That's no longer the case. The WS-15 has reach higher thrust, thrust to weight ratio than the F-119 used by the F-22. Which means in all aspects, it is going to be a better fighter than the F-22. Better avionics, better energy, better maneuverability, better range, better weapons, and increasing better available tactics with the advent of the dual seat, drone mother ship F-22B.
New Su-57 have a new more stealth enigines So Sergey Bognan si legit hero being 62 years old and doing cobra moves on inferior version of Su-57 well dude is manly man for sure.
Su-57 is much bigger and has enormous internal weapons bays. J-35 is more like a stealthy F-18 a bit bigger than a F-16 or F-35 . personally I think small stealth fighters are useless - can't carry enough internal weapons you need to be as big as a Su-57, F-22 or J-20
Eu aprecio o seu ponto mas Discordo parcialmente, para mim pequenos caças steafh devem ser de superioridade aérea, já que são difíceis de detectar e podem não só servir com principais lutadores mas podem servir como radares móveis para caças maiores ( que seriam multi função), para mim essa deveria ser a relação entre o Su75 e o SU57, acho que a china deveria ajudar no programa do SU57 para usá-los como caças muiti função,o J35a como superioridade aérea e o j20 como intercptador de mísseis, já a Rússia deveria comprar o j20 para ter um interceptador de longo alcance substituindo o mig31
They both don't need using their jets like J-35A vs SU-57. It bc China & Russia are best friendship & best partnership together which no need to challenges each other at all ok. Just the only one can chellenges with J-35A or SU-57 vs F-35 that's good enough already 👍
@@xinyiquan666 How can it lag behind in time if it is one of the most long-range missiles?Moreover, it was modernized. Currently, the KS-172 missile with a range of 400 km is being adopted. PL-17 declared range is also 400 km in truth.
@@dsms5979 how can it not behind of time? long distance ? the rocket can reach 10000 km, that is achieved 1960s, is it advanced tech? long distance is not high tech for a missile, the most important is guiding system, R37 or whatever KS172 are all old tech in terms of those electronic and radar and guiding tech, russia does not have anything modern in those area, today, only thing russia is still sort of top is its hypersonic engines, nothing more
Chinese jets might have a edge when it comes to certain electronics but I still think Russians are far ahead when it's comes to building reliable mechanical components, engines and radars for Aircrafts compared to China.
But China has the better stealth. Not only did they have US data, the J-35A is a 2nd gen stealth. So they were able to take all the lessons from the J-20 to improve it further. Also China have become very good at producing fighter jets now. JF-17 Block 3, J-10C, J-15, J-20 and now the J-35.
J10C defeated SU35 consistently during exercises in China. This already speaks a lot about where China and Russia position in whole fighter plane technology. It also defeated Grippen C in Thai -China join exercise, and defeated Eurofighter Typhoon tranche 3 during Pakistan - UEA exercise.
I think in today's day and age, maneuverability and close combat, dogfighting is becoming less relevant when you have enemies which can target you from hundreds of kilometers. The F-16 can easily out-maneuver the F-35 in close combat - that is if they ever come close in the first place. In practical combat, the 5th gen F-35 would be able to target a 4th gen fighter like F-16 without it even knowing about it - a close combat wouldn't come in question here.
I personally think we're going to see some augmentation of the RUAF and PLAAF designs, where each benefits from the others' expertise - an improved(power/weight ratio and payload J20 would be.a great replacement for the MIG31, whilst the SU57 would be an improvement on the J35......
he cant make any just opinion if he haven't fly both of these 2 aircrafts. and he is Russian then it is impossible for him to give bad reviews to Russian aircraft .
In terms of vector control and supermaneuverability, SU57 is undoubtedly the best. But at what cost? The radar cross-section of the SU57 is 0.4 square meters, whereas the J-35A is less than 0.01. J35A's radar is a Programmable digital active phased array gallium nitride radar two generations ahead of F35 and three generations ahead of F22. By the way, the radar cross-section of the F35 is 0.1 square meters.
The RCS of the J35A is not going to be 0.01, it's going to be a bit more than the F35 with those engines. The radar is most certainly not "generations" ahead of anything out today. It may be nipping at the heals of the F35, but is not surprising considering China stole all the blueprints. The big hurdle is getting a plane like the J35A into active deployment, which it isn't yet, and the bigger task is integrating all the sensors and radar into a useful mission like the F35 has demonstrated for a long time now.
russia is actually holding back their su 57 production line, becuase they are waiting for their new engines that are going to be hitting production sometime next year. that is the reason why they only have very few. however when it comes to aircraft manufactuing in mass, it is no secret that america is the best at that
I have no doubt that China will surpass Russia in a short time. The way China is focusing on developing modern fighter jets and investing heavily in this sector, it’s only a matter of time. One thing to always keep in mind is that the Chinese are highly intelligent and hardworking. They believe in hard work as the key to success, and for those who work hard, it doesn't take long to change their destiny.
Depending on which aspect you wanna see it, they already overtook Russia. If the two went to war, China would win. Their jets may not be better in everything, but they seem to be well enough built to fly, be stealthy, and mainly, launch the PL-10 and PL-15 missiles that outreaches most russian missiles. The thing is that China has LARGE quantities of even their best tech, they have several hundred J-20 ready to fight, they have several thousand long range missiles, they have manpower and they have the capacity to step it up even further and instantly replace losses on the front Russia has an edge in the Su-57 when it comes to dogfights and some tech here and there, they have a lot of experience in fighter jet technology and the Su-57 is a marvel of engineering, an insanely manuverable, versatile and innovative fighter
@@angelaferkel7922 Well when you look into the insides of PLAAF/PLAN jets, they would beat the soul out of any Russian jet. Chinese Flankers are already available with AESA LPI radars, not to mention these are very large. Meanwhile, the only AESA mounted on an in-service Russian fighter is the Su-57s N036, and it isn't even LPI. Another thing to look at is the Western influence on a lot of Chinese avionics (in-fact, Chinese Flankers have more Israeli influence than Russian), which allowed them to get ahead the Russians in almost every department. Same thing goes for EW.
Maneuverability is overhyped. If you look at the latest Ace pilot from Russia in the Ukraine war, who shut down 12 aircraft, all of his kills were by missiles from beyond visual range. Which means none of his kills were a result of a dog fight. Maneuverbility is only useful in dog fight, but no matter how you Maneuver, you usually cant out Maneuver a missile. Because missiles don't have a g force tolerance cap, but the max g force a human pilot can take is around 8 to 9.
All the time, I was under the impression of mere profile shots, the FC-31 were a single engine design... 🤷♂ The now officially adopted PLAAF J-35A being a twin engine design is probably not much less maneuverable/performant than the larger T-50/Su-57 (except for range and possibly electrical power output, required for '5th generation' airwar electronics) - especially when further developed and upgraded, but it begs the question even more why it was procured aside the J-20A/and now tandem seated S at all (after failing the bid for the J-XX contract, the FC-31 was initially considered for export and probably still is, but it's twin engines will make it significantly costly, compared to e.g. the Su-75, engines being one of the most expensive parts of an aircraft thus dedicated 'lightweight' airframes sporting only single engine configurations - like the F-16, the capable, but cancelled F-5E or even the F-35A). The J-35 'C' (not an official designation of the PLAN) and A comes across as a 'low observable' F-18A in a time when not even the significantly enlarged F-18E/F and EA-18G will be further produced beyond 2027 due to lack of exports (which production scale would lower unit and spare costs), it makes one wonder why it was adopted. As it is often the case with strategic planning in China, it will take a while unless the intended purpose becomes evident to outsiders.
Guys, the 'strategical view' is more important. China is planning the State Strategy for a Century forward, and they can wait... Russia has been invited by many 'superpowers' at least once every century, at least once... The Different approach, the different mindset, and Engineering School, as well... One part has 150+ mln population, the another part is almost 1.5 bln (will have)...
In a 5th gen fighter battle, manoeuvrability is really not that important. If anyone in a 5 th gen fighter managed to get themselves into visual range, or even radar range, clearly they've done it all wrong
Maneuverability is not critical anymore in modern air fight. Missile and radar system are more important these days. Long range radar and missile will dominate air, not maneuverability.
Это заблуждение, на руку для России. Продолжайте в этом направлении. Электромагнитный импульс уничтожает микроэлектронику. Русские добились успехов в том направлении. Американцы держат по дальше свой f35 от русских самолётов.
Future air battle is not one on one for dog fight, instead of system on system. First spot, first shot, a jet is just an information node of big web. Jet cannot overrun a missile, period.
I think most stealth fighters may struggle against the SU-57. It will be able to send out an ai controlled stealth drone ahead of it, meaning it will always know your there first.
@@ГарриМуллан They didn't realise the bay doors on the nighthawk have to open and close quickly. They turned the radar on and off and that's when it happened. Now the Nighthawk would easily show up on Iranian, Russian and Chinese Radar.
Can you imagine if the SU57 was actually reviewed objectively and not a component of Russian state propaganda. ... chances are it's "capabilities" aren't near what the propaganda states.
the Su-57 is much bigger than the J-35. It is approx 4m longer and 4m wider wingspan. So the comparison is utterly pointless. the Su-57 has as a result enormous internal weapons bays 4.4m long ..... so they can carry missiles 4m long - huge missiles that big can sink destroyers and make big holes in aircraft carriers (It's no surprise that the Americans list the Su-57 as a nuclear strike bomber ... it is that big, fast and long range ..... and heavily armed ) I was lucky enough to see the YF-23 in LA in 2012 at the Northrop Museum ..... the Su-57 in side view is so similar to the YF-23 .... what I am saying is the Su-57 is best compared to the YF-23
He is absolutely biasing his aircraft, I don't think its the best 5th gen out there, cus afterall only actual real fights will determine whos better. In terms of agility and maneuvers, yes the Felon is prolly the best. F22 coming 2nd to agility and maneuvers, but stealth wise I'd say its 3rd place, F22, J20 & F35, then Su57. But again, every detail is classified and we don't know what else is being cooked in the kitchen.
@EdwarkDiyaz super maneuver is part of 5th gen requirements. When both sides are stealthy the possibility of dog fight is actually higher. With good over the shoulder missiles it'll be even tougher than the dog fights between 4th gen.
@EdwarkDiyaz I was not talking about whether Su-57 is suitable for China. Don't think Su-57 will fight J20, either. Was purely interested to know what J20 is capable of if piloted by Bogdan.
@@EdwarkDiyazYou must ask yourself how do a 1000 F35's show up? From where do they take off? Both Russia and China have answers to such problems in their aircraft, missiles and strategies for engaging such. America doesn't feel too confident about taking on either superpower just now, can't think why..
maneuverability, stability, speed and supercruise, L-band radar, DIRCM, 360 radar, readiness % and maintinence cost, internal payload capacity would go against what you said.
@@jason59k55 I dont thin Russian AESA technology, Avionics, Stealth come close to those from China, considering China's advancement in electronics, communications, chip manufacturing, and stealth. Not to mention the BVRAAM like PL15.
@@MA-nl6js well no matter what you think (and may very well be true in many aspects) it is a fact that the J-35(J-20) lacks a DIRCM, 360 radar coverage, L-band radar that the Su-57 has
@@jason59k55 J20/J35 radar is Gallium Nitride AESA; GaN AESA will offer strong detection capabilities, with improved range, resolution, and tracking performance compared to traditional radar systems The 360-degree coverage o SU57 radar may come at the expense of range. Omnidirectional radar systems generally trade range for coverage because they need to cover all directions, whereas a radar focused on a specific sector or limited cone of view (like a traditional radar) can be more powerful in the area it’s scanning. So, in theory, the J-20's GaN AESA could detect targets at longer ranges than the Su-57's radar, especially if it uses more targeted, sector-specific radar beams. Just like SU57, both J35 and J20 most probably use (or will use) DIRCM.
@@jason59k55 Russia claims many things but it's DIRCM equipped helicopters have been shot down by IR missiles before, indicating performance may be insufficient or subject to conditions (i.e. humidity/weather etc affecting the laser). 360 degree radar means for the same TR node count, size of array and power supply you have less radar energy and worse detection range against a given RCS value - but Russia's electronics technology is widely known to be far less sophisticated than WestPact or Sino, so this cuts even further. The 360 degree radar is naturally useful when you need to somehow 1v20 F16As with guns, but China doesn't expect to face massed 4th gens, at least not without a thousand or so 5th gens in front of them.
Well what are the russkis supposed to say, that not only are their jet performance is already matched by the technical rival China but that their manufacturing prowess is now dismal compared to China.
@shengzhong2662 I simply stated the fact as I saw it, Although I do not know the detail of the plane but the flight itself.Tell me that it's not yet mature.I do not try to compare this to SU 57.
IAF should look at su57 seriously and joint manufacturing to further the mutual benifits and further the strategic partnership that exists between two all-weather friends
Su-57 or more precise T-50 can easily out-maneuver any aircraft in the dog fight thanks to the large wing area neatly blended into the fuselage, combined with the strong engines. I think that the only potential adversary able to out-maneuver this aircraft in the dog fight could be Black Widow II and the old Harrier.
I thought he was absolutely candid and emphasized that an airshow exhibit wasnt sufficient proof of concept. I agree. Lets see what the future brings.😊
Russia has tested the Su57 in two theatres, with corresponding data arrays informing design. China has no active theatre of operations but have produced robust-looking technological marvels that have Americans worried. Two philosophies are divergent: China is the embodiment of 'peace through strength'..building capacity in order to never having to fight with it. Russians are different, designing - in the wake of repeat murderous incursions, resilience, durability and capability into every armament platform. The fact is Russia and China exist as sovereign nations..superpowers no less! They must be doing many things right considering what they've endured in the modern era.
@@andersonarmstrong2650 thank you. My point entirely. Hear!
Thank you, well said. China builds up military capacity with the aim of never putting it to use. Power for peace.
And Chinese designs will get better when learning lessons from Russian practical usage experience especially when both nations cooperate together more
Well said Anderson Armstrong
@@prastagus3pakistanis do that for china every plane, missile or naval asset chines have given to pakistan they have tested and used it in various theatres
Of course, he will promote his own country's fighter jets. Would you expect otherwise?
Chinese usually hold back on showing off to the public, unlike the West, or Russia.
It's wise to hold back when you have nothing to show.
@@korzer You should follow your own advice..
@@SengpoSatbanghe's commenting from Bangalore
Older Chinese aren't so outward in expressing their pride, not so the younger generations! There is a side of Chinese culture we do not see which is coming to the fore in China today..the need to outdo all others. What is positive about this comparison is the Russian jet is demonstrably Russian in appearance and characteristics, the Chinese jet is an improved version of an American jet.. It will be some time before this mindset is finally done away with.
@@korzerFighter jet is built to win an air warfare and not to show off but crashed later. Prove them in the battlefield not in an Airshow.
Different design for different mission set, the T-50 in the show is demonstration model, the J-35A in the show is late development test model... Which render this comparison meaningless.
Especially when Russia is trying to sale Su-57, but China is just making debut of an up coming new fighter model, of course the Russians will say something like this, you can tell that Chinese are fully aware of this situation, as their military enthusiast gives almost no real reaction to this interview.
And Sergey also bought high quality model sets for both J-20 and J-35A himself, that tells the truth...
is the truth, perhaps, that he likes planes?
@@jason59k55 The truth is, that T-50 Sergey fly to the air show, were serviced and refilled by Chinese field personal before the Russian ground team were even arrived, that means the Chinese field service personals have been trained (and have equipment) to take care T-50/Su-57, have a reading on what does that truly means...
@@Vostadueswrong, they are maintained by sukhoi employees
Yeah, i remember that during this year Zhuhai air show.
There's a photo of him purchasing two big boxes of diecast models, one is J-20 and the other is J-35A.
On subsonic maneuverability, Su-57 is clearly better than J-35. China chose a totally different way to win air combat compared to Russia.
А что он выбрал? Прятаться за облаками за сотнями километров?
@@ГарриМуллан Stealth, electronics, system integration, and quantity. But I do not mean the design choices of Su-57 is not good. It serves well for Russia's strategy.
@@ГарриМуллан 恕我直言，你们的作战方式受限于电子系统，雷达，和武器系统。已经落后了。不过SU57的潜力巨大。俄罗斯现在无法把潜力释放。因为几乎不存在电子信息工业。
You must be on drugs bud. Su-57 did so well in ukraine its being mass produced. @刚王-d3s
@@ГарриМулланони выбрали ту доктрину, что выбрали США после корейской войны: стелс, ракеты, радары и дальний бой
И на практике это рабочая тактика
The Russian pilot is certainly very careful in his comment about Chinese new fighter!
He is a gentleman.
he doesnt want to end up in gulag
never piss off your stongetst ally
@@lucyblueeyes3858 And a living legend.
@@globalterroil3208 Absolutely!
The Russian fighter is of course great in it's ability to do these aerial stunts but that's not to say Chinese can't make a plane that can do the same things. If you search J10 cobra maneuver you can see the Chinese j10 with thrust vector nozzle can do the cobra, j turn, and falling leaf maneuver as well years ago at the airshow. If they don't have it in the current generation planes means they don't think it's important to have. Take that as you'd like.
Китайцам сначала надо делать свои двигатели))))))))))
Ваши самолёты созданы, для того что бы прятаться за облаками, чтобы ни кто не увидел?
@@wonder-den8599 soon better than yours that's a promise😂
@@ГарриМуллан 别嘴硬了，你们的导弹芯片都是从其他地方获得的。。。先解决拜登关于武器的新政策吧。
@@wonder-den8599 J20和J35现在用的就是中国自己的发动机WS15和WS13
I think Su-57 can be the most maneuverable 5th generation fighter. Yes, it can be. But stealth fighters are not like 4th generation fighters.
Avionics, RCS, long range missiles are much more important than before.
J-35 is not for 'BEST'. It is cheaper and cost effective choice. It won't have high speed, maneuverability, equipment like J-20.
It won't have better performance than J-20. It can contribute to PLAA with quantity of stealth fighters. It is very very important for China's security.
In Stealth vs Stealth Scenario, its unlikely that both your and enemy Nation Stealth Jet would be able to detect each other at Long Range.
they both would be Undetectable until they are somewhat close
If you want to Shut Down Enemy Stealth jet with your own, your own Stealth Fighter would very likely engage at range that shorter, much shorter.
Battle within Visual Range is much more likely happen in 5th Gen Aircraft than Engagement betwen 4th Gen Jet - imo
Я думаю СУ57, истребитель 5 поколения, остальные не могут называть себя поколение 5 . Максимум 4+
@@thehumus8688 Would small forward position drone change this ? I am just looking at all the Chinese drones they have...
@@ricosun Wingman Drone would be even harder to detect. in Theory at least acting as Picket sound good.
but opponent 5th gen is basicly also field similiar system. so it didnt realy change the situation imo.
Drone would encounter opponent Drone first. while both Manned aircraft would lurking try to pounce each other while staying invinsible as much as they can. the engagement would be mostly indecisive
IMO, Stealth Fighter would end up avoid each other most of time. and just bullying and bullyng the non-Stealthy one
@@thehumus8688 during exercise between Thai and China, Grippen defeated J-11 (SU-27) in BVR while J-11 defeated Grippen in dogfight. That explain a lot why lower RCS, avionics, and radar more important than subsonic maneuverability. If Grippen can defeat J-11 in BVR then there is no need for dogfight. Grippen is smaller hence lower RCS compared to SU27, and has better avionics.
One is desperate to sell the plane to earn foreign exchange and income. The other is more interested to design newer plane and engine and to defend itself. SU-57 is a good plane but is it stealthy enough, that is open to debate. Science and fluid mechanics don't change because of your nationality. Stealth comes with with a toll on stability and flight capability. It is not rocket science that a balance need to be maintained. Russia choose less stealthy for more stability. It is a choice. But you cannot say those who choose otherwise are wrong.
Everyone keeps making airplanes with wings. Could you get a more stealthy plane with no wings using concealed “all around” distributed vectoring ducts for “lift” and maneuverability? Push your nose around with direct reaction thrusters? The jet engines of today are outrageously powerful and you might be able to sneak in a smaller engine or lift fan in the nose for takeoff and landing on a wingless design.
Чувак, на украине система patriot, не видит SU57. Проверено!
С чего вы взяли что он видимый. У него самый лучший РЭБ. Серийный вообще обладает исключительными характеристиками мало заметности. Китайцы, покупайте SU57Э, не пожалеете.
Bro said Russia is desperate to sell. After 2022 Russia has been richer than ever. I confirm FROM HERE
现在都是体系内作战，单独比较一款兵器的性能意义不大的。而且苏57是重型战斗机，对中小型战机天然就有优势，苏57的对比对象应该是歼20和f22才对吧。j35最大的优势是能以一半的价格提供8成的性能。通过大批量制造打败对手，跟f35的思路是一样的。
Russia also do this by SU75. For high low mixing.😁
Чем больше плохих самолётов у конкурентов тем лучше для нас. Мы больше заработаем, это бизнес.
Вы абсолютно правы.
Excellent point. As the Russians showed in defeating Nazi Germany, cheaper more numerous T-34s, which did 75% of what the heavy Tigers and Panther tanks of the Germans did, won the second world war in Europe.
不仅是跟f35的思路一样，是跟f35一样💀
Sukhoi 57 operated freely over Ukraine and even managed to shotdown an UAV that went rogue without even getting bothered by Ukraine (mostly western Made ) AD systems.
Surprised that anyone would care what a Russian would have to say.
If a Russian was comparing the Su-57 to a 9th gen fighter with a compact fusion reactor and 360 degree high energy lasers with 500 mile effective range that can shoot down 400 fighter jet sized targets within 30 seconds, their comparison would still focus on maneuverability.
😂😂😂😂
Damn.... I gotta admit I dint see that coming at last part 🤣
Russia have anti stealth radars that easily lock on the so called stealth jets. They pop on the Russian radars like a hooker on a red light district.
Russian fighter jets historically were consistently better or not worse than American though. And the rest is your racism
So true, yet its the same focus on maneuverability that saved an SU-34 from being smoked by three patriot missiles, not so long ago. I guess it has its place in the real world.
There is NO REASON to show your "FULL HAND" in the J-35A. Radar and Weapons systems are MORE important than maneuverability . 6 Vs 4 AA missiles basically mean 50% more "Kills" in any engagement. Plus China new AA missiles are significantly better in Range , Target acquision and "kills" .
Каждая лягушка свое болото хвалит.
Прав на 100%
More than 50% more kills that thrust vectoring can avoid
@@airaction6423 lmao are you 12? Air combat doesn't work that way, it's not the 1960s anymore. Humans are limited to -3G/+9G before they black out - the if the missile has enough energy to outmanouver 9G airplane, there is no escape. Hence useful missile ranges are denoted "NEZ" or No-Escape Zone. The Meteor has a NEZ over 100km
@@NewAgeOfPower you live in fantasyland
Russia has modern army and USA ´s weapons never had been tested against modern army like in Ukraine. Russia also has rockets which are mostly better than anything from west. And I do not mean just new hypersonic missilles. Russia has effective jamming systems which is working very well against weapons which used to be effective somewhere in Africa against "enemies" in sandals... Russia has also better tanks IMHO (despite of what we hear from main stream media). The mere fact that the Russians have managed to bring several hypersonic missiles into use (!) within a few years and the Americans, in contrast, have not been able to do so for 10 years, shows the enormous difference. Every single western weapon that has been sent to Ukraine has been a failure.Russia also has more developed strategic nuclear missilles than USA, so I have no doubt, that if nuclear war would start, than all USA ´s and U.K. s big cities would be reduced to a layer of hot radioactive glass within 2 hours and the rest would remain radioactive for next 200 years.. So what does this war mean? Why do they want to defeat Russia? Why? What is wrong with Russia? Did you forget, that Ukraine kept killing Russian language speakers in Donbas since 2014 and USA wanted to get it´s military inside Ukraine in future?(It was said by Bush in 2008 in Bucharest NATO summit, that Ukraine was on path to NATO membership) I am sure that we(I mean people in Europe) should rather get along with Russia, no reason for us to get along with corrupt Ukraine which is promoting it´s Nazi past (Bandera is national hero of Ukraine...), or with USA which hit Germany-pipelines. We need Russia´s cheap energies and minerals, certainly not USA´s expensive gas and their obsolete weaponry. USA is not a friend like Russia used to be prior this war, USA is only using everyone for it´s own interests.
Well said! The true hurts many people! I´m also from Europe.
Why has Russia not been able to achieve Air Superiority over Ukraine?
@@cfisher11 Easy answer: Russia achieved Air Superiority over Ukraine many times already by destroying all systems sent by west (Patroot and so on) , however as soon as all systems were destroyed the west was always able to send some new once which is the situation caused by the fact, that this is USA vs Russia in reality..... USA rebuilt Ukraine air defence again and again ...., but, everyone can see that western air defence is working very very poorly anyway.
You're nothing but a propagandist for Russia the US tech that has been sent to Russia has worked very well.
The Russian SAM systems like S400 have underperformed and their tanks are no better than any other countries
You are deluded if you think Russia will survive a nuclear war if Putin launches a nuclear attack they will receive the same
评价很客观啊，在珠海航展上su57展示的确实优秀，而他也说的J35没展示出优秀机动性，或许是中国故意没展示出什么的。 这些话说着有什么问题吗？
The FC-31/J-35 can't be as maneuverable as the Su-57 as it wasn't design to be so. This doesn't make the FC-31/J-35 a bad airplane, design. It is more simple, less capable in that aspect(maneuverability) compared to the Su-57. And simple could mean easy and being cheaper. Less hard to maintain, make and fly, less expensive, more attractive price.
@@anarchonda7273 是的。
@@anarchonda7273 when it is equipped with WS19 that can thrust vectoring, then the manuverability of J35 will narrow or even close the gap with SU57.
@@MA-nl6js But the J-35 will still lack LEVCONs and all-moving vertical tail fins. But sure, it will with that, but i wouldn't know by how much. But do we know that the WS19 will come with TVC? The FC-31 could be equipped with TVC with what is out there. Like the TVC from the Mig-29OVT which uses the RD-33, something that would be applicable to the RD-93 that the first prototype flew with i would imagine. But given how close the engines are on the FC-31/J-35, perhaps there would be a problem.
Если хочешь продавать, демонстрируй, если не хочешь прячь его. Или планер не может ни чего.
Airshows can only showcase an aircraft's manoevrability, controlability and stability. That is all you can watch and assess. And the SU-57 (T-50) excels. Now, in terms of actual combat capability - we do not really know. I will argue that the SU-57 is the only 5th-gen platform that has been engaged in actual combat.
One possible area of conflict we might see these two in action is between Pakistan and India. Pakistan is looking to acquire J35 which will force India to buy Su57.
怎么可能？俄罗斯苏57产量很少，即便印度想购买苏57可能俄罗斯也得等到2032年才能交付给印度，而j35目前来说是不是会贩卖给其他国家都是未知数，因为巴基斯坦内部有太多间谍，这些间谍与土耳其有合作与美国有合作，卖给巴基斯坦j35是危险的
@@EdwarkDiyaz Yes. But if it comes down to it. Do you want them to buy the F-35, KF-21, TF Kaan or an export variant of the FC-31/J-35? Perhaps Russia sees sales potential in selling a TVC variant of the RD-93 engine that would power the FC-31/J-35. Pakistan already got that engine powering their JF-17.
@@EdwarkDiyazdidn't Pakistan help China with stealth tech with that downed stealth helicopter in Pakistan being given to the Chinese for study?
I agree with your premise regardless.
@@JHS270694兄弟，关于巴基斯坦将隐形技术交给中国我你看了太多地摊文学，我知道巴基斯坦是中国的友好伙伴，但是巴基斯坦内部真的被渗透严重，你要明白巴基斯坦有美军基地，巴基斯坦内部高官无法保守秘密，因为有太多美国间谍，所以中国可能不会将j35a出售给巴基斯坦，当然这只是我个人看法，我不代表中国政府
@@JHS270694 that was for the helicopters... for the jets it was the Serbians that gave them some of the F117's they shot down
T50/Su57 having better manoeuvrability vs J35 wouldnt be surprising given thrust vectoring engines employed by the russian jets. Oth, situatioanal awareness/target acquisition capability of russian jets is very likely lagging behind J35 given russian deficiencies in avionics. I would take better avionics to let me acquire/shoot at enemies first than better manoeuvrability which would only be useful in within visual range engagement
High AOA maneuverability is still very important, as radars get stronger and stronger each generation low observability becomes less relevant. The F22 raptor is stealthy and very maneuverable at the same time, it doesn't have to be one or the other.
@@tanjim4487 F22 is about as maneuverable as a clean F16A, but with much more powerful engines.
J-20 also has thrust vectoring and canards for low speed perf.
@ there is no in service TVC J-20 variant.
@@johnsullivan8673Not yet, but it's confirmed that the WS-15s will have TVC for the J20.
China doesnt have as much war experience to fine tune their planes and they had to choose a style and their fighters look more like the american style, and we havent seen much air to air conflict to test those fighters but stealth planes feel like they need a lot of maintenance and mantaining fleets of thousands of those may pose sustainability issues over long term conflict, this aspect of conflict is what russia does focus cost effective, reliable, higher numbers, this can also be seen in their tanks
And they dont seem to eager to mass produce the Su-57 until they feel it is just right and they been taking their time to fix all the issues they feel need to be improved before they double down on Su-57 or even their T-14 tank
More delusional U.S. myopic arrogance. The U.S. F-35 has been limited by numerous issues
the j20 has a very distinct look, one that is different from both russia and the us, so i wouldn't say that china is copying the american style-they're trying to find their own style after years of reverse engineering from russian and us jets.
the Su-57 has low numbers specifically because russia wants the Su-57M, which cannot be produced as of now due to delays in the completion of the Al-51F1 for the Su-57M.
@@StraussBR there are certain laws of physics that must be applied to all things, that includes jets flying at Mach speeds. So those laws of physical physics must be applied. It's not about copying anyone. It's about what physical physics are required for that task, airplanes don't fly a Mach speeds so they don't require same physical structures. The laws of physics dictate structure. Those laws are shared by anything attempting to do the same thing . This asinine mentality that others are copying something because they're dealing with the same laws of physics is absolute stupidity.
Let's all remember the U.S. stole many designs of physics from the German and Japanese post WW2. Because those laws of physics were more understood by the Germans and Japanese at the time. There's laws of reality to everything, it's not a national thing, it's a physics thing. The more refined and defined those things are to those physics the better performance or outcome
It’s amusing to hear how some people assume that a fighter jet operates like a piece of fashion-where certain similarities are quickly interpreted as copying, all in the pursuit of achieving a comparable level of aesthetic appeal. In reality, the design of a fighter jet is driven by functionality, physics, and engineering necessities, with aesthetics often being a byproduct rather than the primary goal. Moreover, every design choice must be rigorously tested, meaning that partial copying without understanding the underlying principles often renders the attempt ineffective or even useless.
It's very reasonable for him to say I don't know because I've not seen it. Remember, The western countries are not the competitors of Sukhoi or Russia when it comes to selling weapons because the west isn't gonna buy from Russia no matter what. China is their competitor in the Global south market and weapon sales is one of Russia's biggest industries if not the biggest, so of course they don't want to give the Chinese a share of the pie by giving them free publicity. If the Chinese can demonstrate their capabilities they wouldn't need Russians' approval anyways.
Продажа вооружения для нас не является самым крупным поступлением в казну. По последним данным на первом месте это продажа продовольствия, потом энергоресурсы и, наверное с большим отрывом на 5 месте только вооружение. Доля России на мировом рынке вооружения, тоже не являются доминирующим. Первое место США, и наверное 2 или 3 место Россия, может даже Китай впереди.
虽然我是中国人，但是我觉得su57是肉眼可见的卓越。中俄不是敌人，而是合作的伙伴，没有必要分出高低
Well I'm pretty sure that the J-20 and J-35 DON'T have thrust vectoring, it would be obvious if they did. As far as how they perform in stealth/radar/avionics who knows, you'd have to simulate combat conditions and the public will never have access to that data. But if you want to talk manoeuvrability, the SU57 is the best hands-down.
You can compare an eagle with a falcon, and what? Both SU 57 and J 35 are defying the related fighter jets of US, the F-22 & F-35, not each other. The russian and chinese are not rivals, don't compete between them, in their concepcion/design.
exactly... they aren't competing. wouldn't be surprised if China bought some Su 57's
Russian military hardware is often the most battle worthy among all nations. The US adds a load of networking, sensor tech, and advanced materials, but we've evidence that they aren't robust, compromised in manuverability, and poor operational readiness (50% for F-35A, worse for F-35B). Chinese 5th generation hasn't seen much action, but their indigenous tech development in Engines (WS-15, WS-19) and AESA radar suite, weapons (PL-10, PL-15) have impressive numbers. In an extended war (not individual skirmish) over months, I think the Russians will edge it against the US as they are more robust and have better missiles (R-37). The Chinese will have a steep learning curve in real battle. A lot will depend on their speed of learning, adapting tactics, battlefield situational awareness, and adjusting their tech to optimize advantages over rivals. The US have never faced a peer competitor in real battle since WWII. In Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Serbia, they have always had superior air-power. That will not be the case in a fight with Russia or China. I believe the US will be shocked at their losses within the first 14-28days.
Well, as they say - "Everyone has an opinion, just like rectums... and they all stink."
What are you talking about? Russia airpower has been brought to their heels by Ukraine fourth gen and older technology... It was often viewed what you said to be the case but the showcase of Ukraine has shed light on how Russia's pumped up stats are nothing but air. America would thoroughly destroy Russia in modern war on the air front with how few planes Russia has to bare now. The Su57 shown here, they only have a few that are combat ready...
@@JFirn86Q keep coping.
@@williamc9578
You're just joking... right?
Watching facts unfold in real-time is "coping"?
What are you smoking?
To be fair, Russia is coping to sell their jets since China isn't buying but become one of the seller as well. How many SU57 are actually in services and combat ready? 4. How many prototypes of T50/SU57, 10.
How many J20? 200. JFirn isnt wrong, no matter how capable or powerful SU57, 4 is not enough to cover the airspace of Russia if regional wars happened.
Don't get me wrong, I'm fan of the felon as well but let's the fact sink in, Sergei is there as salesman so he had to comment in such way.
Give him a break he loves Russia and loves sukhoi. Ask any red blooded Chinese young man that isn't jaded and loves his people and loves fighters. He will praise his nation's fighters. Russia is a great power, but is dwarfed by China. Many in Russia are aware but some are proud. Don't be too hard on them. I love both you guys and want us all to be friends in spite of what my nation has done to so many people.
Russia is not dwarfed by anyone.They are fighting 31 nation and wining.They also have way more resources especially with added ones from Donbas then China.I mean China is first economic power that doesn't mean overall Russia is dwarfed.
@@markolumovic275031? Did the other 20 surrender already? If you are already fighting them then why is that each time they are crossing 'the red line' you threaten them with war. You are fighting Ukraine while Ukraine got its rights hand tied behind its back.
@@Grim_Reaper_from_Hell Only one in this SMO is one nation that is crippled.And that is Russia.They can"t do genocide like "Chosen People" .If Medjedev was President this story would be really different.
@@markolumovic2750 For three years you are bombing all of the Ukrainian cities but at the same time you believe that it is a crime for Ukraine to respond in kind. And your antisemitic comment speaks for itself.
Did know know that Israel in few moths killed more civilians then Russia in almost 3 years?It seems to me that you are anti-Russian.
so many people in this comment section have made superficial comments on the Su-57 vs J-35. the Su-57 follows an asymmetric philosophy compared to the J-35, it is also more designed to counter stealth than to be entirely stealth itself. it has far better manoeuvrability than the J-35, beyond its 3D thrust vectoring, its LERX, extremely large lifting area, and LEVCON ehich allows for extreme AoA. the Su-57 has a much larger payload capacity in its internal bays, such as 4 Kh-69 cruise missiles. the Su-57's avionics are not at all inferior to the J-35, the Su-57 has 360 degree radar coverage, L-band radars for detecting stealth aircraft, DIRCM to increase survivability and this isnt even accounting for potential developments for the Su-57M which heavily modernised avionics.
Lower RCS, advanced AESA, upperhand Avionics and BVRAAM (like PL15), these are what SU57 lacks compared to J35.
@@MA-nl6js true the Su-57 only has a 1st generation AESA, but this only one factor and is absolutely not a deal breaker when combined with all the other avionics it does have, along with those we dont know about, not accounting for potential megapolis upgrades. also it is believed that the J-35 will not be able to store the PL-15 in instead carry the PL-12, and the Su-57 very much does have the capacity to fit longer range missiles. missiles are a similar fault the USA has. and while the Su-57 has a higher RCS than the J-20, it also has anti-stealth detection through its of IRST, X-band radar, and especially its L-band radar which with sensor fusion can very likely create a lock on a stealth fighter from a distance, and at the very least it is certainly able to detrct a stealth fighter from long range.
@@jason59k55苏57是重型5代机，j35是中型5代机，简单的对比数据当然会得出苏57更好的结论，问题是现代战争比较的不是单一武器，而是整个体系
@@jason59k55 L-band radar has low resolution, it needs help from X-band and IRST to identify the target at long range, while X-band & IRST is not effective against stealth fighter like J35/j20 from long distance.
In the meantime Gan Aesa of J35 is strong enough to detect and identify SU57 from long distance.
@@MA-nl6js on the L-band: that is why i said "with sensor fusion," it can direct a general area to search and, as i said before if you were reading, when combined with datalink, triangulation, X-band(which may be able to narrow its search beam with guidance from L-band), and IRST/EOWATS information may very well be able to create a lock with combined amounts of small signatures from many different sensors.
Well the J35A is a magnitude stronger than the Su57. According to data given at the Zhuhai airshow and military blogs the J35A has a RCS of 0.01 (same as F22A) vs 0.1 of the Su57. It can supercruise at M1.5 and a max speed of M2.2. The J35A will be equipped with 2 WS19 engines with thrust vectoring so it will be as maneoverable as the Su57. It has AESA radar at least 1 gen ahead of the Su57 and DAS which the Su57 doesn't have. Also the Russians don't have anything like the PL15. The Su57 R37/R37M is too big and is normally carried outside the internal weapon bay. U can only fit 2 R37M inside the weapons bay vs 6 PL15 can be fitted into the J35A. The radar seeker for the R37 is very crude and can only be used to target slowing moving tankers/AWASC while the PL15 can take down almost anything.
@@akka2011hk Your comment reminds me of the seventies and eighties HiFi write-ups where on paper Japanese HiFi was perfect, had the latest tech and cost less. When you rigged the equipment up for live tests it was a different story! In real conditions, Russian kit has an unsurpassed reputation for reliability. Stealth as a concept, in my opinion, is a passing fad. In the 70's it was variable geometry everything! Before that everything had a top speed of mach 2.0 on paper..Fast forward to now and all those Israeli F35's that took off to touch up the Iranians good and proper, had a shock when shortly after takeoff, indicators revealed they'd been locked onto..ie sitting ducks. Stealth is a gimmick. Like all other gimmicks from the world's gimmick superpower, they are impressive on paper but compromised in reality. Your quotation of radar cross-section figures is a case in point..presumably the Israeli jets flew towards Iranian airspace relying upon such. Their mission was aborted to preserve their lives. Maybe the Su 35 which did for 'Moonfish' operated to a different maxim: get airborne, remove the threat, get home safe..your tables can be discussed over coffee, upon return.
@@andersonarmstrong2650 I hope U are that confident if U are flying a Mig29/F16 to fight against a J20A/J35A/F35A🤣🤣
What i has been observing Russia weapons using by their own are. different from their exports to another countries.
@@akka2011hk You posted a fair and reasonable assessment. The idea of Stealth being a "fad" is has no merit. The S-300 and S-400 were developed due to the legitimate and proven capabilities of Stealth platforms. If it was a fad, ship,aircraft and even weapons would not require low-observable features. Like the Aircraft Carrier, nations that have studied Stealth and can produce the technology do it. The Late Pierre Sprey claimed Stealth was a hoax yet various conflicts have given proof that it works, hence why so many nations either purchase platforms like the Burke Class DDG, the Type 52C/D and type 55 Guided Missile Destroyers, the Lafayette Class Frigates an of course, the J-20,J-35,F-22,F-35 and the various Fighters and Bombers in testing. As far as the Su-57, if it was a game changer, it would be dominating the Air Space over Ukraine, which it cannot do to systems like the S-300 and other systems. The T-50 put on a great airshow but the Su-57s on the line look to not be survivable over the modern Battlefield. India for example saw that the Su-57 was not worth the investment. The PLAAF has over 200 5th Fighters with reduced Radar signatures because they did the research, saw various uses in combat of other Stealthy platforms and decided it was worth the efforts. Totally agree with your assessment. MiG-29s and F-16s practice with various F-22s,F-35s and less Stealthy Rafales and F-18 and do well in the merge but getting to the merge is where non-stealthy aircraft struggle. Israel has done very well with the F-35 against Syrian and Russian S-300s and now even the S-400 and Iranian variant as well. Interestingly, the F-22, F/A-18 and a few older jets can do most of the same maneuvers, the Saab Draken did the Cobra back in the 1960s.
@@akka2011hk They are different generations of aircraft. In large-scale peer to peer conflict, hangar queens won't last long. Air strips might need decanting to motorways, or even fields prepared for STOL. Russians understand this having experienced reconstruction of their entire industrial plant DURING such conflict; something no Western nation has managed. Current export models of Russian kit are what their plants would turn out during any extended conflict..NATO would not last longer than a month as its air assets would have nothing to land on following the first 48hrs of hypersonics delivering denial munitions. Currently Russia is looking at reconstitution of 80's jets to deliver FAB's to greater distances.
Ukraine is a guide in one sense but misleading in many others. It is a Special Military Operation..trains still run in Ukraine. In a full-blown war, what Russia does over two years by increment, would happen in the first two days. Ukrainians sued for peace in the first few weeks, thinking their onslaught code-real..unfortunately for them, they were misled by Biden and Johnson. NATO will never be able to achieve air superiority in any conflict with Russia or China. Your citing of Ukrainian S300 ignores the fact that NATO has no comparable system and given the force structure employed against Ukraine, there's no need for them to needlessly risk air assets while NATO remains close by.
I really want to know, how many su57 do you produce in a year? I am living in Hong Kong
Once again its not a su57, but the proto type T 50
one is a middle weight fighter jet, another is a heavy weight. Of course the heavy weight can do more with those thrust. 5th gen emphasize on stealth less on manuverability. its goal is stealth, sneak attack and leave. J-35 is set for naval warfare not air dominance warfare. Even the airforce version of j-35 is meant for defending the air not dominance, that is J-20's role
"sneak attack and leave"🤣who decided that this is how a 5th generation aircraft should function?
Прятаться за облаками, не лучший способ воевать, возможно вас видят, и вам придётся драпать от скоростного планера, и вашей скорости ,манёвренности не хватит отбиться.
I agree with your statement. Also to note, at this airshow was presented a prototype, not the serial production plane, which has better stealth characteristics.
Could you potentially make a video about the LRASM anti ship missile? Thanks. Love the content.
Its hard for a Russian to agree or accept that a Chinese jet fighter is as good as a Russian one, but that's understandable ...
when expertise fighter talk, we should listen and learn.
@@omarZZQQ well he's as good to ask as a random person in the comment section. No one has detail information on both platforms so it's impossible to compare.
Чем это доказано, что китайский ни чем не хуже?
But only a blind man cannot see that no other jet in the world flies as beautifully as the SU-57.
@@ГарриМуллан 为什么需要向你证明？你只是一无所知罢了。
I think Russian are ahead on maneuverable airframe and engines, while the Chinese are ahead on stealth materials/design and electronics.
For deployed platforms, China is actually the world leader in airframes; the J-20 has both a lower empty weight than the F-22 yet a higher MTOW. Incredible use of composites and titanium.
Some of the most important factors in a real war are cost and ease of manufacturing. I'm no expert on advanced fighter aircraft, but the J-35 looks light and cheap, while the Su-57 looks expensive. Even against the J-20, far more J-20s have been built and are in operation than Su-57s. and the J-35 is set to be even lower-cost and higher-volume than the J-20. Quantity wins wars more than quality does.
J-35 looks light and cheap. 57 with all the rivet jutting out is expensive?
@@chingtuckmeng1122 that is only a showcase prototype. The real ones belong to the Russia military and they don't use them for this purpose because they are installed with classified Russian tech.
You raise a good point here that most don't consider. In war time economy mode, China has the manufacturing capabilities to reproduce any of their weapons much faster than anyone else. The bulk of their ammunitions will be replaced as soon as they're fired. No one else comes near having this capability.
Russian pilot without Using G-suit
Isn't the WS19 engine capable of thrust vectoring?
中国开发的矢量喷口可以随时安装和卸的，在非隐形战机机动有利，WS19推动可达12吨，加上人工智能技术，机动性很好。加矢量喷管，动力损失10%。没有什么意义。动力充足的美国飞机可以使用，因为美国空气动力设计太烂，动力没有改善机动。
There is no fighter out there except maybe the f22 that is remotely close to the Su57 in maneuverability.
It isn't surprising since the others don't prioritize that over other capabilities.
So his point is correct.
The Su57 absolutely is on a level of it's own in maneuverability.
Not even the F16A? Lol.
The J-10C has done the cobra and falling leaf maneuvers, and it's a single engine fighter. Nobody's seen the F-22 do any such thing. Plus, F-22 is a hangar queen, is expensive to maintain & they ain't making any new ones anymore.
@ not J-10C, but the Zuhai demo aircraft. That plane isn’t in service.
@@johnsullivan8673 if you think the F16 is anywhere close to the Su57 in manoeuvrability, you need your eyes checked.
The J-20 is actually extremely maneuverable even without TVC. Most people underestimate the aerodynamics of the J-20. If anyone bother to learn about the J-20 design, they will understand just how insane it is. The fact that it is a canard delta config makes it naturally a very maneuverable jet. It has multiple vortexes system from the canard, strake and delta wing, along with coupling of those vortexes with the vertical stabilisers. Now that it will be paired with the WS-15, it has enough thrust to do whatever it wants. Arguably the final version of the J-20 will be more maneuverable than both the F-22 and Su-57 simply because its aerodynamic layout is superior to conventional layout.
The reason why the Americans did not use canard delta is because they brute force their fighters with powerful engines because they arrogantly think no one can match their jet technology. That's no longer the case. The WS-15 has reach higher thrust, thrust to weight ratio than the F-119 used by the F-22. Which means in all aspects, it is going to be a better fighter than the F-22. Better avionics, better energy, better maneuverability, better range, better weapons, and increasing better available tactics with the advent of the dual seat, drone mother ship F-22B.
With everyone going all-in betting on stealth air combat is going to be more like submarine warfare rather than a traditional dogfight
New Su-57 have a new more stealth enigines So Sergey Bognan si legit hero being 62 years old and doing cobra moves on inferior version of Su-57 well dude is manly man for sure.
SU57's peer for comparison should be J20 while J35`s peer is F35
J-35 already outclassed the F-35.
Su-57 is much bigger and has enormous internal weapons bays.
J-35 is more like a stealthy F-18 a bit bigger than a F-16 or F-35 .
personally I think small stealth fighters are useless - can't carry enough internal weapons
you need to be as big as a Su-57, F-22 or J-20
Eu aprecio o seu ponto mas Discordo parcialmente, para mim pequenos caças steafh devem ser de superioridade aérea, já que são difíceis de detectar e podem não só servir com principais lutadores mas podem servir como radares móveis para caças maiores ( que seriam multi função), para mim essa deveria ser a relação entre o Su75 e o SU57, acho que a china deveria ajudar no programa do SU57 para usá-los como caças muiti função,o J35a como superioridade aérea e o j20 como intercptador de mísseis, já a Rússia deveria comprar o j20 para ter um interceptador de longo alcance substituindo o mig31
The engineers at Sukhoi Design Bureau are obsessed with aircraft mobility and hope that the su75 will give you a surprise.
They both don't need using their jets like J-35A vs SU-57.
It bc China & Russia are best friendship & best partnership together which no need to challenges each other at all ok.
Just the only one can chellenges with J-35A or SU-57 vs F-35 that's good enough already 👍
I think Su-57 better than China J-35A
Indeed 😊
Not only with supermaneuverability, the SU-57 uses R-37 air-to-air missiles with a range of 300 km.
NS, r37 is 1980s technology, very behind time , the chinese J35 has PL15 with range of 250km, and upcoming PL17, at 500km range
@@xinyiquan666 How can it lag behind in time if it is one of the most long-range missiles?Moreover, it was modernized. Currently, the KS-172 missile with a range of 400 km is being adopted. PL-17 declared range is also 400 km in truth.
@@dsms5979 how can it not behind of time? long distance ? the rocket can reach 10000 km, that is achieved 1960s, is it advanced tech? long distance is not high tech for a missile, the most important is guiding system, R37 or whatever KS172 are all old tech in terms of those electronic and radar and guiding tech, russia does not have anything modern in those area, today, only thing russia is still sort of top is its hypersonic engines, nothing more
@@dsms5979 also, ks172 is declared 400km, no proof of that at all
Chinese jets might have a edge when it comes to certain electronics but I still think Russians are far ahead when it's comes to building reliable mechanical components, engines and radars for Aircrafts compared to China.
But China has the better stealth. Not only did they have US data, the J-35A is a 2nd gen stealth. So they were able to take all the lessons from the J-20 to improve it further. Also China have become very good at producing fighter jets now. JF-17 Block 3, J-10C, J-15, J-20 and now the J-35.
J10C defeated SU35 consistently during exercises in China. This already speaks a lot about where China and Russia position in whole fighter plane technology.
It also defeated Grippen C in Thai -China join exercise, and defeated Eurofighter Typhoon tranche 3 during Pakistan - UEA exercise.
I think in today's day and age, maneuverability and close combat, dogfighting is becoming less relevant when you have enemies which can target you from hundreds of kilometers.
The F-16 can easily out-maneuver the F-35 in close combat - that is if they ever come close in the first place. In practical combat, the 5th gen F-35 would be able to target a 4th gen fighter like F-16 without it even knowing about it - a close combat wouldn't come in question here.
Like how many people discuss an F22 vs SU 57, I wonder what would happen if the Felon and J35A fought
At this point I think it is more up to the pilot, stealth takes you only so far.
you are wrong, and your opinion doesn't matter at all
@@MMA-gb6to nice bubble
Not everything that glitters is gold, su 57 is gold
A very sensible take.
We need a video on the new Z 20
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而且J35战斗机在展会的两架飞机都是原型机，还没有大规模量产，飞起来还会比较保守
Learn almost everything from Russia, now think they are the best in everything. Yeah sure
I personally think we're going to see some augmentation of the RUAF and PLAAF designs, where each benefits from the others' expertise - an improved(power/weight ratio and payload J20 would be.a great replacement for the MIG31, whilst the SU57 would be an improvement on the J35......
he cant make any just opinion if he haven't fly both of these 2 aircrafts. and he is Russian then it is impossible for him to give bad reviews to Russian aircraft .
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虽然我是中国人，但是我觉得su57是肉眼可见的卓越。中俄不是敌人，而是合作的伙伴，没有必要分出高低
@@kingwing3203 твои слова бы да богу в уши
In terms of vector control and supermaneuverability, SU57 is undoubtedly the best. But at what cost? The radar cross-section of the SU57 is 0.4 square meters, whereas the J-35A is less than 0.01. J35A's radar is a Programmable digital active phased array gallium nitride radar two generations ahead of F35 and three generations ahead of F22. By the way, the radar cross-section of the F35 is 0.1 square meters.
The RCS of the J35A is not going to be 0.01, it's going to be a bit more than the F35 with those engines. The radar is most certainly not "generations" ahead of anything out today. It may be nipping at the heals of the F35, but is not surprising considering China stole all the blueprints. The big hurdle is getting a plane like the J35A into active deployment, which it isn't yet, and the bigger task is integrating all the sensors and radar into a useful mission like the F35 has demonstrated for a long time now.
@@JFirn86Q 没错，全世界只有中国能窃取到F35的设计图，还有，全世界只有中国能完全自主生产零件和设备来复制F35。如果有东西看起来比西方势力更为先进，不用思考那它肯定是CGI！J35这样的战斗机依我看最少还需要10年才能服役进入部署状态，我的建议是，美国不用紧张，继续使用F35吧，不用太快研制第六代战斗机。
@@JFirn86Q“窃取”了你爸爸妈妈要不要复制你爸爸妈妈出来，小丑吗？😂
When you hear the voice of the su34 pilot avoiding 3 patriot missiles you star to realize what is supermanuverability for
The real difference is that there'll be swarms of J35s but only a handful of Su57s. And I think the Russians understand that perfectly well.
russia is actually holding back their su 57 production line, becuase they are waiting for their new engines that are going to be hitting production sometime next year. that is the reason why they only have very few. however when it comes to aircraft manufactuing in mass, it is no secret that america is the best at that
I mean, could they have least called it something other than J-35? If it wasn't already clearly a copy, they made sure no one was left to doubt...
The new engines for the SU57 are better then the older of course.
sergey just doesn't want to fall from his hotel window
I have no doubt that China will surpass Russia in a short time. The way China is focusing on developing modern fighter jets and investing heavily in this sector, it’s only a matter of time. One thing to always keep in mind is that the Chinese are highly intelligent and hardworking. They believe in hard work as the key to success, and for those who work hard, it doesn't take long to change their destiny.
Depending on which aspect you wanna see it, they already overtook Russia. If the two went to war, China would win. Their jets may not be better in everything, but they seem to be well enough built to fly, be stealthy, and mainly, launch the PL-10 and PL-15 missiles that outreaches most russian missiles. The thing is that China has LARGE quantities of even their best tech, they have several hundred J-20 ready to fight, they have several thousand long range missiles, they have manpower and they have the capacity to step it up even further and instantly replace losses on the front
Russia has an edge in the Su-57 when it comes to dogfights and some tech here and there, they have a lot of experience in fighter jet technology and the Su-57 is a marvel of engineering, an insanely manuverable, versatile and innovative fighter
@@angelaferkel7922 Well when you look into the insides of PLAAF/PLAN jets, they would beat the soul out of any Russian jet. Chinese Flankers are already available with AESA LPI radars, not to mention these are very large. Meanwhile, the only AESA mounted on an in-service Russian fighter is the Su-57s N036, and it isn't even LPI. Another thing to look at is the Western influence on a lot of Chinese avionics (in-fact, Chinese Flankers have more Israeli influence than Russian), which allowed them to get ahead the Russians in almost every department. Same thing goes for EW.
У китайцев получается хорошо клонировать или копировать но, любая копия хуже оригинала.
@@M16_Akula-IIIэто бла-бла западных изданий.
@@ГарриМуллан Wrong. All Chinese Flankers are a lot better than Russian ones.
Maneuverability is overhyped. If you look at the latest Ace pilot from Russia in the Ukraine war, who shut down 12 aircraft, all of his kills were by missiles from beyond visual range. Which means none of his kills were a result of a dog fight. Maneuverbility is only useful in dog fight, but no matter how you Maneuver, you usually cant out Maneuver a missile. Because missiles don't have a g force tolerance cap, but the max g force a human pilot can take is around 8 to 9.
Because Ukraine aircrafts aren't stealth. You can't compare it with F22 versus SU57.
J35A 🤜 F35
All the time, I was under the impression of mere profile shots, the FC-31 were a single engine design... 🤷♂
The now officially adopted PLAAF J-35A being a twin engine design is probably not much less maneuverable/performant than the larger T-50/Su-57 (except for range and possibly electrical power output, required for '5th generation' airwar electronics) - especially when further developed and upgraded, but it begs the question even more why it was procured aside the J-20A/and now tandem seated S at all (after failing the bid for the J-XX contract, the FC-31 was initially considered for export and probably still is, but it's twin engines will make it significantly costly, compared to e.g. the Su-75, engines being one of the most expensive parts of an aircraft thus dedicated 'lightweight' airframes sporting only single engine configurations - like the F-16, the capable, but cancelled F-5E or even the F-35A).
The J-35 'C' (not an official designation of the PLAN) and A comes across as a 'low observable' F-18A in a time when not even the significantly enlarged F-18E/F and EA-18G will be further produced beyond 2027 due to lack of exports (which production scale would lower unit and spare costs), it makes one wonder why it was adopted.
As it is often the case with strategic planning in China, it will take a while unless the intended purpose becomes evident to outsiders.
Guys, the 'strategical view' is more important. China is planning the State Strategy for a Century forward, and they can wait... Russia has been invited by many 'superpowers' at least once every century, at least once... The Different approach, the different mindset, and Engineering School, as well... One part has 150+ mln population, the another part is almost 1.5 bln (will have)...
In War ita not how much acrobatic Acts that you can made but rather whis aircaft have better electronic detection and who have better AiA missile.
I mean what do you expect him to say? Their plane is equal or even better than ours? It's totally reasonable imo
In a 5th gen fighter battle, manoeuvrability is really not that important. If anyone in a 5 th gen fighter managed to get themselves into visual range, or even radar range, clearly they've done it all wrong
两个战机在空战的侧重点不一样。中国战机用自己先进的电子雷达和座舱达到超视距空战，俄罗斯更加注重机动性。这种理解上的差距已经早在J16和su35就已经表现出来了。
американский ,,patriot", не видит SU57 проверено на украине.
В Росси не сомневаются что кто- то будет пытаться клонировать SU57. Вопрос, Кто?
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Maneuverability is not critical anymore in modern air fight. Missile and radar system are more important these days. Long range radar and missile will dominate air, not maneuverability.
Это заблуждение, на руку для России. Продолжайте в этом направлении. Электромагнитный импульс уничтожает микроэлектронику. Русские добились успехов в том направлении. Американцы держат по дальше свой f35 от русских самолётов.
Future air battle is not one on one for dog fight, instead of system on system. First spot, first shot, a jet is just an information node of big web. Jet cannot overrun a missile, period.
Maneuverability is not a modern priority.
it stands to reason. Russia is competing for export sales against the J35a. so they are going to do what they can to say, hey, we're better.
SU-57M with AL-51F-1 engine and R-37M hypersonic missile the best top1 even better then the US F-35 L II or the F-22 Raptor.
I think most stealth fighters may struggle against the SU-57. It will be able to send out an ai controlled stealth drone ahead of it, meaning it will always know your there first.
Американцы тоже хвалили свой бомбардировщик невидимку, однако в Сербии его сбили старым комплексом ПВО.
С чего вы взяли, что они такие не видимые?
@@ГарриМуллан They didn't realise the bay doors on the nighthawk have to open and close quickly.
They turned the radar on and off and that's when it happened. Now the Nighthawk would easily show up on Iranian, Russian and Chinese Radar.
Can you imagine if the SU57 was actually reviewed objectively and not a component of Russian state propaganda. ... chances are it's "capabilities" aren't near what the propaganda states.
the Su-57 is much bigger than the J-35. It is approx 4m longer and 4m wider wingspan.
So the comparison is utterly pointless.
the Su-57 has as a result enormous internal weapons bays 4.4m long ..... so they can carry missiles 4m long - huge
missiles that big can sink destroyers and make big holes in aircraft carriers
(It's no surprise that the Americans list the Su-57 as a nuclear strike bomber ... it is that big, fast and long range ..... and heavily armed )
I was lucky enough to see the YF-23 in LA in 2012 at the Northrop Museum ..... the Su-57 in side view is so similar to the YF-23 .... what I am saying is the Su-57 is best compared to the YF-23
Что сравнивать какую то погремушку, с Величественным SU57.
俄罗斯飞行员认为苏57是最好的其实很正常，因为人首先要爱国，俄罗斯飞行员当然认为俄罗斯的飞机最好
j35a的首席专家都说了，被问你觉得谁的战斗机好看或者强，他说肯定是自己家孩子好看和强了，正常😂
He is absolutely biasing his aircraft, I don't think its the best 5th gen out there, cus afterall only actual real fights will determine whos better. In terms of agility and maneuvers, yes the Felon is prolly the best. F22 coming 2nd to agility and maneuvers, but stealth wise I'd say its 3rd place, F22, J20 & F35, then Su57. But again, every detail is classified and we don't know what else is being cooked in the kitchen.
It would be interesting to see Bogdan flying a J20 with ws15 engine. Chinese pilots are way too conservative.
5代机不是为了狗斗
@EdwarkDiyaz super maneuver is part of 5th gen requirements. When both sides are stealthy the possibility of dog fight is actually higher. With good over the shoulder missiles it'll be even tougher than the dog fights between 4th gen.
@EdwarkDiyaz I was not talking about whether Su-57 is suitable for China. Don't think Su-57 will fight J20, either.
Was purely interested to know what J20 is capable of if piloted by Bogdan.
@@EdwarkDiyazYou must ask yourself how do a 1000 F35's show up? From where do they take off? Both Russia and China have answers to such problems in their aircraft, missiles and strategies for engaging such. America doesn't feel too confident about taking on either superpower just now, can't think why..
@@andersonarmstrong2650我明白1000架f35无法部署在中国周边，因为全部都在中国各种类型的中远程弹道导弹打击范围，但是中国的战略思维是底线思维，也就是按照美国能够动用1000架f35对付中国进行军事准备的，中国必须假设美国拥有比纸面实力更强大的实力准备战争
lots of uneccessary "s" sound. very unnatural....
'Confirmed by PLA'. LOL that's literally a fairytale there😂😂😂🤦
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Fair enough. 👍
Talk of the town in China, su 57 take the gold doing hands stand. 😂
J35 is better than su57 in every way. Its not an opinion but a fact
maneuverability, stability, speed and supercruise, L-band radar, DIRCM, 360 radar, readiness % and maintinence cost, internal payload capacity would go against what you said.
@@jason59k55 I dont thin Russian AESA technology, Avionics, Stealth come close to those from China, considering China's advancement in electronics, communications, chip manufacturing, and stealth. Not to mention the BVRAAM like PL15.
@@MA-nl6js well no matter what you think (and may very well be true in many aspects) it is a fact that the J-35(J-20) lacks a DIRCM, 360 radar coverage, L-band radar that the Su-57 has
@@jason59k55 J20/J35 radar is Gallium Nitride AESA; GaN AESA will offer strong detection capabilities, with improved range, resolution, and tracking performance compared to traditional radar systems
The 360-degree coverage o SU57 radar may come at the expense of range. Omnidirectional radar systems generally trade range for coverage because they need to cover all directions, whereas a radar focused on a specific sector or limited cone of view (like a traditional radar) can be more powerful in the area it’s scanning. So, in theory, the J-20's GaN AESA could detect targets at longer ranges than the Su-57's radar, especially if it uses more targeted, sector-specific radar beams.
Just like SU57, both J35 and J20 most probably use (or will use) DIRCM.
@@jason59k55 Russia claims many things but it's DIRCM equipped helicopters have been shot down by IR missiles before, indicating performance may be insufficient or subject to conditions (i.e. humidity/weather etc affecting the laser). 360 degree radar means for the same TR node count, size of array and power supply you have less radar energy and worse detection range against a given RCS value - but Russia's electronics technology is widely known to be far less sophisticated than WestPact or Sino, so this cuts even further.
The 360 degree radar is naturally useful when you need to somehow 1v20 F16As with guns, but China doesn't expect to face massed 4th gens, at least not without a thousand or so 5th gens in front of them.
SU-57 #1
Russia pilot more aggressive end most intelligent concureq the jet end air in the world
Agreed and agreed.
Well what are the russkis supposed to say, that not only are their jet performance is already matched by the technical rival China but that their manufacturing prowess is now dismal compared to China.
I tend to agree with him.I think the j 35 is still not yet mature.
Maybe once the J35 has matured it will be on the same level as the SU57.
不不不 ，J35怎么能和SU57比呢，单从数字上就是SU57更厉害
你對j35不熟!你對j35不熟！
i don't think J35 has its final engine WS19 installed yet....
@shengzhong2662 I simply stated the fact as I saw it, Although I do not know the detail of the plane but the flight itself.Tell me that it's not yet mature.I do not try to compare this to SU 57.
IAF should look at su57 seriously and joint manufacturing to further the mutual benifits and further the strategic partnership that exists between two all-weather friends
Su-57 or more precise T-50 can easily out-maneuver any aircraft in the dog fight thanks to the large wing area neatly blended into the fuselage, combined with the strong engines. I think that the only potential adversary able to out-maneuver this aircraft in the dog fight could be Black Widow II and the old Harrier.