Ivor Davis: Up Close and Personal with Dianne Lake
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- Опубліковано 16 вер 2024
- “At age 14, I became one of Charles Manson’s Girls. At 17 I helped put him in prison. This is my story.” - Dianne Lake
Dianne Lake was a beautiful and innocent wide eyed seventh grade student - whose hippie parents abandoned their traditional suburban lifestyle to join The Wavy Gravy’s Hog Farm Commune in Tujunga, California. Along the way her parents met a man named Charles Manson. They were so impressed by him that, as unbelievable as it sounds, they turned their young daughter over to Manson. Dianne was just 14. What happened next is a personal odyssey that is hard to believe. She travelled with Manson’s ragtag band of runaways and social misfits until they settled at the notorious Spahn Movie Ranch in Chatsworth, California. She became chattel, a slave to Manson’s sexual whims and part of his depraved world of mind-blowing drugs which culminated in a series of horrendous, high profile Los Angeles murders in the summer of 1969. While never involved with any murders, Dianne was arrested and her life was almost destroyed. Today, in her late sixties, she is a devout, church-going grandmother who lives in Ventura County.
Museum members who registered for this event (either in person or via Zoom) were entered into a drawing to receive an autographed copy of Ivor Davis’ “Manson Exposed: A Reporter’s 50-Year Journey into Madness and Murder” and Dianne Lake’s “Member of the Family.”
Gratitude and thanks to the Museum of Ventura County for putting this event on and sharing it on YT.
Thank you for opening up and sharing Ms Lake. You are worth any effort and love that canoes or came your way
She's lucky to have been able to turn herself around given the help of so many who got involved with her after the Manson life and the unforgivable abdication of her parents of their parental responsibility to her.
Unforgivable is right. Yes she was lucky to have such dedicated professionals to help her, but she was tremendously strong to work through these issues.
God bless the officer who took her in. Turned her life around.
Not that she ever spoke any kind words about him showing appreciation, or seemed to have a relationship after leaving home.
Good for him though.
She did in her book say kind things to about him though
@@Tess-163
I’m trying to find where she says good things about him. Can you tell us where it says that?
In interviews she makes it seem like the only reason he helped was so she could be a witness for the state.
@@idahardy4052 she said she was very grateful he took her into his home she felt he saved her and showed her real family life she said he and his wife were very kind to her .
@@Tess-163
Ok, I read that, too. I thought there might be something more.
Dianne Lake was under 18 years old in 1969 when the murders went down. She knew what happened after. I read her book about her time as a Manson family member and she testified at the trial. But yes she turned her life completely around married and had kids but she told her kids about her involvement as a Manson family member. Charlie was not very nice to Dianne. She claimed he was abusive toward her in her book. I really admire Dianne Lake very much. She became a good human being just a bit lost as a young kid. 👌👍😊💖
She would have been safer staying with her crazy hippy parents but she had a mind of her own they lost control of her it broke her mothers heart when she left she soon called her parents the many times she got into trouble dammed if my parents would have come and bailed me out of jail . No one ever talks about how neglected the kids of the Manson family were hungry undernourished neglected dirty and badly sunburned even a month old baby when child services finally took them . Great book though one of the best I’ve read . Charles Manson was nothing but a classic malignant narcissist nothing clever about the little loser he’s where he belongs now .
I will definitely read it.
She wasn't wanted at the hog farm...the farm didn't want to get busted for underage sex
So many of these people affiliated with the Family speak with warmth and smiles about Manson and their relationship. Yes, it’s disturbing. It seems they need to have something positive to report about the time they spent getting naked, high etc.. they still deny the rampant abuse and violence they were subjected to in the name of love. Lake in particular is an excellent example of substantial abuse and neglect by her parents who used a belief system to deny her basic safety and care. She’s a victim who thankfully had an internal decency that kept her from real disaster.
So first off you weren’t a Family member, you never knew Manson, nor the true story at Cielo and Waverly drive, & you don’t know what you’re talking about.
I think that part of it is that it wasn’t always terrible and abusive. Things aren’t usually that black and white. Most of the people involved say that in the beginning it was all very innocent…you have to look at in the context of the time and place. I don’t think that they deny the bad parts as much as they need to focus on the parts that weren’t bad. It’s survival.. people do what they have to do and filter memory in the way that best helps them survive. And I think that Ms. Lake has been able to thrive and move forward because she doesn’t see herself as a victim.
Her life with her family and the Manson family was a real disaster, she avoided complete disaster with her possible murder or life in prison.
@@BushyHairedStranger He knows what he's talking about he, read her book, she was in the Manson family. You're comment is erroneous! Do you know how many books have been written about that subject. What happened is well documented. So, you can't say what people don't know, because it's out there.
@@myroselle6987 She doesn't see herself as a victim? Where'd you get that from? She is indeed a victim and she sees herself as one, the book's on UA-cam, check it out. She says these things out of her own mouth.
19:30 - Tarantino wanted to give the victims' families the ending they wanted. It was his way of bringing Sharon, Abagail, Voytek, Jay and Steven back to their loved ones. I was very moved by the ending, it was one of the most touching scenes I've ever seen. So beautiful.
As she describes this strange life she doesn't seem to have any awareness of how messed up it was.
Amen
I agree but I also wonder if it's a coping mechanism. I also notice she has a nervous laugh. I notice she keeps taking about what "a great guy" Manson was when she first met him. I doubt he was ever a good guy. He knew how to be charming to seduce venerable girls.
As I listen to her I wonder about the mind set of Leslie Van Houten.
It's both interesting and frightening to listen to her perspective.
Corinne Hernandez 4549 She is well aware that he was a murderous con artist.
Bizarre.
@@lisellesloan3191yes you're correct. He was very cruel to her towards the end before they got caught.
Who is Diane's father, why wont she give us his name? I would like to research her father as none of this makes any sense.
Read her book, one of the family.
Why though?
@@nicholea irresponsible parents are not unique
Loved this!
Maybe she forgave the past…I hope so
It's been a while since I've heard, "Codswallop" in conversation. I think I'll help to bring that back.
@Eric Dodson Lectures: Just sticking with the letter "p," you could say the same for words like "pecksniffian," "persnickety" or "poppycock."
Cottonpickin
Dianne really turned her life around. Upon being arrested with the killers, she was hospitalized. Dianne later said that being hospitalized saved her life. One of the prosecutors took Dianne in as a foster child. Dianne went on to get a degree in Education and taught autistic children. Dianne was married and had two children. She was able to get past the time she spent with the Manson family. Dianne testified against Manson and the other killers for the prosecution.
So far, Dianne Lake's turnaround is the only light I have seen in this horrific event.
Sending you Hugs Dianne ...😘🌻
Living with a “NICE family”?! Referring to the Manson Family…gee-zus!!
She’s referring to her thoughts in that moment, not in this present day in time.
Dianne Lake is the perfect example of how she turned her life around to become successful, a loving mother, a loving wife, and excellent citizen. She overcame drug addiction and becoming mentally unstable with Manson rhetoric.
She was never a drug addict.
what success??? she's a low life
Where did you get the idea she was a drug addict?
@@John-tj4up From her "Dianne Lake" admitting that she started using drugs as a child into her late teens...marijuana, LSD, and on. If she wasn't addicted, she would've stopped after the first time and stayed away from people like Manson and the family.
@@twomindz79 An addict uses over and over again to feel good or better. Using over a span of years non-stop can be taken that someone is addicted to a substance. And, the individual becomes dependent of the drug to make themselves better or chasing that first high.
What kind of a parent would let their 14 yr old daughter to be sexually active and let them go live with a bunch of hippies . She was also doing drugs and I am sure that Charlie wanted to give her more than Root beer . Having sex with Charlie how sickening. She was brainwashed and she loved him . Manson said she was one of his favorite s to have sex with . He Manson is Pure Evil and this lady who was a child who grew up way to soon should have had a normal childhood. She knew no better and her parents were really sick and should have been locked up for letting her live like that and it’s sad . So many young girls are destroyed because of the parents who’s job it is to protect these kids and she definitely was one of these kids . Thank God she learned and became a responsible mother . Manson was a man of a thousand faces who could be anyone at anytime . She is a amazing lady who knows the truth and hopefully we can learn something from this . Ivor Davis is Amazing he is the best, his interviews are incredible.
I understand forgiveness.
I understand moving on without bitterness.
But if this is really going to be a warning, a message for others, then you’ve got to be real.
Her parents were derelict.
She was used and abused by many men when she was under age and also by Charles Manson.
Her sexual encounter with Manson was statutory rape but she describes it as making her purr and feeling like a woman.
There is something very wrong and disgusting about her descriptions of sex and drug use as a child without clarity.
I’m glad she got out and went to hospital and detoxified from drugs.
And perhaps the church helps her - but it seems like she hasn’t really dealt with the trauma of being abandoned as a child.
Instead of a “cautionary tale” this feels like a longing for sexual freedom and drug adventures.
That’s not a good way to live.
Poor Snake, she was so young and her brain was not yet fully formed and so I wonder if the drugs affected brain development in a more permanent way.
I mean, she’s not psychotic any more, but there’s something underneath that is not quite right.
I’m kind of with you on this. There is are many factors attached to this though. We mustn’t underestimate the sensationalism associated with all things Manson related and how that may color people’s perception of things, especially those involved like her. Fame and notoriety is wicked no matter what the circumstances. In fact that is essentially what Manson desired and designed.
In any event, back to your point, I find Diana’s description of her experiences somewhat removed and unemotional. There is never a sign of dismay resonating from her about anything that she went through concerning her parents behavior or during her time with Manson.
For what it's worth, you must remember the spirit of the times. Her parents were addicts, often on LSD, turned on and dropped out, as Dr. Timothy Leary had exhorted people to do. There was an emphasis on brotherhood and the communal family back then, perhaps a communist influence, and people had this naive trust in others, especially other hippies, to extend their peace and love to other people's children. It was the kind of spirit that made many young stars in Hollywood not as stringent about their safety as they should have been. Frank Zappa would not infrequently wake up with fans in his kitchen.
@@lisellesloan3191
Of course.
Her parents were derelict and that’s not Dianne’s fault.
Dianne’s lucky she got out of that situation alive.
I do wish she would give her foster parents more credit for their part in her recovery.
When I hear her talk about her experience is that she doesn’t seem to have real insight about it.
13-15 year olds should not have sex with men, or rather, men should not have sex with under age teens, parents shouldn’t give their children drugs, she didn’t hear God telling her to leave home - it was the acid trip, she said Manson had sex with her and made her “purr” - she described it as being very positive at first.
She doesn’t see how the drugs affected her developing brain, how young teens need guidance and without it they make bad decisions, and how saying she’s “jail bait” is saying that they could go to jail for having sex with a minor.
Her parents deserted her.
@@lisellesloan3191
And, I’m sorry but even in the 1960’s, most parents did not drop out of society, join communes, and do drugs with their teenage kids.
There was a lot of manipulation from the so-called intellectuals.
Dianne’s parents put their own drive for adventure ahead of their parenting responsibilities and she suffered for that.
And I don’t think her mental and emotional development was quite complete because of it.
I thought she had went through some therapy w a psychiatrist
Why weren't ppl allowed to answer the phone ?!
Typical pimp-prostitute behavior.
Hey you are doing well and I love you too and you have a wonderful time with your day 😘😘😘
I wouldn't blame Timothy Leary, I'd point the fingers at her parents, but as someone else pointed out, Dianne was too independent for that. I wouldn't cast any apersions at Wavy Gravy and the Hog Farm. They were doing the right thing, trying to protect themselves from someone who would draw the cops down on them. The cops were looking for any excuse to do so back then. Wavy Gravy and the Hog Farm have done a *ton* of good works over the decades. Having a "sexually active fourteen year old" on their property was not going to turn out well for Wavy and Co.
Her parents were incompetent, terrible people. The had 3 kids, but didn’t want parenting responsibilities. She didn’t go back to them when she got out, and that was fine with her.
What is up? Is she in touch with her feelings? Laughs at the most inappropriate times. It’s a concern as she had an unimaginable childhood, abandoned by her parents, exposed to sex, drugs, murder. There is something wrong with this picture. What do you think?
The most jarring example was when the host told the story about the kids at the cinema asking what Sharon Tate went on to do. I found her laughter there really inappropriate. I think there’s damage there that is permanent
@@mickydem5920some people laugh at inappropriate times , it’s a nervous reaction
Whats the deal with Adkins saying Tex was 4 feet off the floor with a gun and a knife cackling like a possessed demon?
Huh??
@@paulvoorhies8821 someone read her book or books out loud and recorded and uploaded them on UA-cam and at some point she said Tex was floating 4 feet in the air.
@@thebugalito Also, she was high as a kite.
@@paulvoorhies8821 that is really really high
If she said that, and she probably did, she was so full of sh$t. I never believed a thing she said but I honestly believe they all lied, ALL of the family. Tex has been blocking his tapes with his original attorney for years. He actually thinks he might get out on parole I guess. 🙄. But just imagine that the truth is even worse than we already know and I believe it is. I believe there were more murders, rapes, degenerative behavior and none of them will ever tell it. Never.
We don't need fantasy reality is what is important.
Diaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnneeeeee Laaaaaaakkkkkkeeeee.....She sure extends her words a lot.
You don’t speak Minnesotan
Why so positive about such a nightmare? I’m sorry. She laughs and is giddy through the entire interview. I’m not saying she should just sit and cry but it just is not funny.
People are so eager to blaze past obvious flags just to lap up a supposedly great redemption story.
Ed Edwards wrote a good Christian redemption book too
@@irisgreene4175 I’m sorry. Nothing she told was funny. Nothing.
@@irisgreene4175 thank you. I will!!
I met her, she’s sociopathic IMO. My hat’s off to you and others who can smell that something is off. The blind applause disturbs me.
She's speaking in front of a crowd, which is very difficult for most people. It's no doubt nervous laughter.
Chaos by Tom O'Neill.
Ivor Biggun and Bruce David
Unfortunate she truly was too much on the out skirts of the main group. I feel for her but most off her memories are from what she heard, said year after year, like the mandela affect. Sorry but there is now too much proving alot of this narrative is not true.
I do not belive they were some innocent angels who were persecuted because they were "hippies " . Definitely not. However...the truth is quite different
The sixties. Mans dumbest decade.
You didn't specify any particular dumb acts but if you're referring to substance abuse and "free love" that was happening before the sixties and is still going on today.
I think the 2020’s are worse.
In 2020 America elected conman crook Donald Trump.
60's have nothing on now .
@@1Gsxriderthat is a bold statement. I like music from every year since the first song was played. Lots of good songs from the 60s. Nope I just can’t agree. Too slow. Too bubble gummy. To high pitched and down tempo.
What about the forties?
Little miss innocent,please, give me a f'n break she loved every minute of it !
I couldn't agree more.
Manson beat her on a regular basis. How could one like that? She was dumped with Manson at only 14. I don't know why you think she even liked one minute of it. Don't judge a person whose shoes you haven't been in. How would you have reacted if you had been with the Manson family at such a young age?
@@riccali3519 lol, do some research on Miss Lake she was no angel by no means !
@@riccali3519 i must confess i I didn't listen to her completely but i have watched many video's and read volumes about the manson family.
I have read her entire book, and am also very informed on the entirety of the Manson Family events from neutral sources such as Jeff Guins Manson. She was a literal child when she was in the cult, and she was beaten, raped, and prostituted multiple times by Charles Manson.
You, and everyone else who comments this kind of thing, are pathetic. I am glad the majority of people have more empathy than you, and it is ironic the way this kind of rhetoric against the members of the Family reinforces the attitudes and prejudice of Manson himself.
Hot dogs ?! I thought they were vegetarian.... what a shame.
I know after the murders Tex said he ate a hamburger and thought he was going to throw up. I read that he said he thought being a vegetarian helped his health.
There are veggie hot dogs
@@nicholea Veggie hotdogs made from vegetated cows.
Charles Manson himself was a self professed vegetarian not e everyone
Did anyone watch Tarantino's trash?
I rented it for three nights but kept falling asleep and could never get past the beginning before the rental expired 😂
I LOVED it. The part where Brad Pitt’s character beats the hell out of the Steve Grogan character is great and the end is priceless. Too bad it didn’t end that way. Too bad they didn’t break into a home and get killed right then and there.
@@thestoryteller8486 Tarantino movies stink.
@@John-tj4upeveryone is entitled to their own opinion
@@williamj.crofts41 your opinion stinks.
Hey bud did you how much she's raking in on her 15 minutes of fame she's stretching out for an eternity, sick
Diane "Snitch" Lake.