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  • @ratdetecting4780
    @ratdetecting4780 2 роки тому +16

    Watching this makes me sad, as used to go in before the development, & the wildlife that we used to see was amazing

    • @dingobonza
      @dingobonza 11 місяців тому

      Yup we moved away from Jimboomba because of gangs and all the proposed developments. Our logic was if they're building these huge developments but with inadequate public transport, we may as well move to Brisbane.

  • @MatthewJohnCrittenden
    @MatthewJohnCrittenden 9 місяців тому +2

    Have lived on the edge of this development for the last 18 years. Appreciate the history. Things sure have changed a lot around here. Agree about returning the memorial to the original location.

  • @leeny1871
    @leeny1871 2 роки тому +6

    Very interesting video Rob. Love the history. Nothing at all sus about a massive fire at the pine tree farm and developers moving in soon after.

  • @Aangel452
    @Aangel452 Рік тому +6

    I just want to cry knowing how all this beautiful land is being encroached upon by suburban developments. We were the last house in our street in JIMBOOMBA until an all new youbute suburb surrounded us! Love your videos…new sub.💕😇

    • @walkaboutwithrob
      @walkaboutwithrob  Рік тому +2

      @Arch Angel thanks for subscribing and your feedback. Personally, I would love to see some of the old hoop pine forests put back in that area. Would have been beautiful back in the day.

    • @Aangel452
      @Aangel452 Рік тому

      @@walkaboutwithrob Yep, it would have been like up around budrim.

    • @dingobonza
      @dingobonza 11 місяців тому +1

      ​​@@walkaboutwithrobI'm passionate about bush regeneration and this stems from the stories of how Jimboomba used to be rainforest and growing up as a kid there! I'd love to see the hoop pines back but no one wants to plant them, I even offered stock for free to multiple people who declined saying they got too big :( now the area is disastrously dry scrub and terrible soil.

  • @BradGryphonn
    @BradGryphonn 2 роки тому +3

    Another really informative and entertaining video, Rob. Thank you. Your videos tempt me to re-explore the Narangba/Petrie/Lawnton/Strathpine area. I've also wanted to try and follow the old Samsonvale rail line. Unfortunately, most of the old path is on private land.
    10:30 The pine was probably for the Petrie Paper Mill. The Pine forests at the back of Petrie where 'North Pine' is, and over where North Lakes now is were all Petrie Mill plantations. The Mill chewed a lot of Pine and recycled a hell of a lot of paper and cardboard in its prime.

  • @campbellclan7363
    @campbellclan7363 2 роки тому +2

    Always informative. Points to add: Camp Cable Rd is twists and turns for protection of overhead bombings in ww2.
    Found loads of rifle bullets all the way down the road opposite Pioneer Dr. L/V plus old concrete areas for latrines & mechanics.

  • @digzydoogan4932
    @digzydoogan4932 11 місяців тому +1

    There’s some sawmill history & old school history you could add in a future piece . As a generational local & our own street name is thought you might have come knocking. Excellent job never the less.

  • @1948Buttercup
    @1948Buttercup Рік тому +2

    Another great informative video, Rob. I recall stopping near the Cairn for the dog many times in travels with my parents in the 1950’s. It was fairly isolated in those days with a narrow road and the pine forests predominant. My brother and I loved getting out of the car and stopping in that little roadside park. I don’t know if I am getting confused but I thought my dad was speaking of this camp where my uncle used to deliver papers to as a teenager. As they lived at Coopers Plains it was quite possible that it was the camp at the beginning of Orange Grove Road. Whichever one it was the Yanks were pretty generous with American foodstuffs for him to bring home to my grandmother.

  • @jameskirk5187
    @jameskirk5187 11 місяців тому +2

    My family used to operate a ferry service at Logan village, rowing people across the river.
    The family left, but somehow we ended up a stones throw from their old house, near where the bridge went over.
    I remember that pine forest from Logan village to what felt like Tamborine.
    I left the area 20+ years ago, and would fall off my chair if I saw it again.

    • @crowe852
      @crowe852 10 місяців тому

      Very Interesting story, do you happen to remember coordinates of the ferry service dock?

  • @dennisn5308
    @dennisn5308 Рік тому +2

    We lived on Dollarbird Drive for many years before construction of Yarrabilba began. From our verandah we could see over the entire area and it was nothing but trees and bushland. My parents sold up when development began around 2009-2010. Nowadays, from that same spot on the verandah the only thing you'd see his houses, houses and more houses.

  • @jackkenny1556
    @jackkenny1556 2 роки тому +3

    Love your videos! Keep them coming! Love from J&J in Beenleigh.

  • @easytiger260
    @easytiger260 2 роки тому +1

    Great work Rob, the level of development in Yarrabilba still blows me away

    • @walkaboutwithrob
      @walkaboutwithrob  2 роки тому +1

      @Easy Tiger yes and it's getting bigger by the week. I just hope they can provide enough services and open spaces for the growing population there.

  • @angiecrawford9212
    @angiecrawford9212 Рік тому +1

    Love this! I grew up in Chambers Flat in the 90s & am amazed at the development out there now. It was such a big deal when we got the bridge from Chambers Flat to Logan Village! I now live in Redland Bay, hope you consider coming out this way 😊

  • @sandramackin9817
    @sandramackin9817 2 роки тому +1

    Interesting again learning about local history and seeing where it all started.

  • @matthewevans3309
    @matthewevans3309 2 роки тому +1

    Very interesting story never new most about the area great work I do remember the pine trees though

  • @grantschmidt2617
    @grantschmidt2617 2 роки тому +1

    Love these video and the insights to areas that most have forgotten

  • @doncoleman4938
    @doncoleman4938 7 місяців тому

    We live on a property owned by a Plunkett. the amount of history in this area is incredible. There are gravesites near Plunkett Road that were where Australian servicemen were buried when it was part of Camp Cable. The sites have since lost their markers, and will probably be built over or accidently dug up when Yarrabilba expands to Plunkett Rd.

  • @andrewdavis5650
    @andrewdavis5650 Рік тому +1

    Really enjoying your videos mate, thanks for taking the time.

  • @divarachelenvy
    @divarachelenvy 2 роки тому +1

    Love your approach to history Rob, cheers.

  • @narellefisher7360
    @narellefisher7360 2 роки тому +1

    Brilliant as always, Rob.

  • @themacgyverinstitute5340
    @themacgyverinstitute5340 2 місяці тому

    I used to trail bike ride in the camp cable area in the late 90,s to mid 2000’s and their was still a lot of pine tree plantation remaining, fires were common with criminals burning stolen cars in there , I drive through Yarrabilba now and it is totally unrecognisable even though I roughly know where I am , there were massive natural boulders in a formation, not sure if they remain ? . Great series really enjoying your stories.

  • @jasontaylor8412
    @jasontaylor8412 Рік тому +2

    Yarabilba , we called it the pines great to go out there and trail bike ride, it was a great loss when they developed it. When I was a young teenager i lived on holtz rd at the sun leisure nudist camp, that must of been back in the early 80s.

    • @dingobonza
      @dingobonza 11 місяців тому

      Dirt bikes In the forest were illegal and from memory a major contributor to fires in the area. 2 types of people in that area, those who dirt bike and then us calling the cops on those dirt bikeing in the forest lol

    • @VinceTomJones
      @VinceTomJones 3 дні тому

      I remember the nudist camp... You could go there on weekends with a tent if you were willing to get your gear off.... went there once as a visitor... mostly 50 and 60 year old people... lol only had to go there once.. lol

  • @Johnhrop
    @Johnhrop 2 роки тому +1

    Great video Rob. A mate of mine and I stood in similar locations along Plunket Rd to you to film an information video for my Prep/1 students discussing the history of the Yarrabilba area. I think you did it better. 😊

  • @ceedeekaytee1961
    @ceedeekaytee1961 Рік тому +1

    Thanks cobber. We drive (or walk) through these areas and have absolutely no idea of what came before in most instances.
    35 thousand is a sizeable army camp that, in its day, would have been in the middle of downtown Nowhere. Probably why the U.S. Army chose the location if they were training.
    Thanks again.

    • @dingobonza
      @dingobonza 11 місяців тому

      Then you may find why Camp Cable Rd is built the way it was interesting. Apparently Camp Cable Rd (connecting Jimboomba to Logan Village) was built not directly straight to help cover American military transports.

  • @sdavidson3598
    @sdavidson3598 2 роки тому +3

    This is great! Could you do one for Chatswood Hills and Daisy Hill area? I'm a teacher and we do a unit about the changes that have occurred over time in our local area. This would be a great resource!

    • @walkaboutwithrob
      @walkaboutwithrob  2 роки тому +1

      @s davidson will certainly consider it for sure.

  • @chaffcutter58.
    @chaffcutter58. Рік тому +1

    Really enjoy your work mate keep coming.

  • @phylslattery8223
    @phylslattery8223 Рік тому +2

    Thank you, I always wondered where those memorial went too.

  • @helenshaw3531
    @helenshaw3531 2 роки тому +1

    Great video, Rob ! Didn't know the history like u told it ! We r building in the parks, actually ! Keep the videos coming very interesting!!!

    • @walkaboutwithrob
      @walkaboutwithrob  2 роки тому

      @Helenshaw35 So great to see you here, and thanks for your kind feedback! Hope you've been well and happy. Glad you enjoyed the video. Had fun making it.

  • @ericalakatos2240
    @ericalakatos2240 Рік тому +4

    I metal detected at Camp Cable, found dozens of bullets but not much else. Also came across a bottle dump, pulled about 5 intact bottles from the ground dating from 1900-1940.

    • @walkaboutwithrob
      @walkaboutwithrob  Рік тому +1

      @Erica Lakatos please be extra careful if you find ordnance. Like, extra, extra careful!

    • @ericalakatos2240
      @ericalakatos2240 Рік тому

      @@walkaboutwithrob We took all the bullets to the police station to be disposed of. I’m still unsure what to do with the bottles because as much as I love them they deserve a better life now lol.

  • @petesinger4891
    @petesinger4891 Рік тому +1

    I walk my dogs along the Rail Trail most mornings as I live only a few hundred meters away. Gets busy on the weekends, with the Village changing so much in the last few years, bringing McDonalds & KFC for example.

  • @the_aussie.transportfan8869
    @the_aussie.transportfan8869 2 роки тому +2

    I always thought the Rail line went to Beaudesert, never knew it went to Canungra. Thanks for the info Rob.

    • @walkaboutwithrob
      @walkaboutwithrob  2 роки тому +1

      @The_Aussie.transportfan the line splits just south of Logan Village. One track went to Beaudesert, the other to Canungra.

    • @fuzzedoutsounds
      @fuzzedoutsounds Рік тому +1

      It used to branch off to the left about where anzac road intersection is, with the beaudesert section continuing straight along waterford road until it crossed over the start of stockleigh road and continued towards jimboomba.

  • @24inchchromes
    @24inchchromes 2 роки тому

    Great stuff as always, Rob. Cheers

  • @soraya2851
    @soraya2851 2 роки тому

    Interesting and informative as always. Enjoyed watching it. 😊

  • @VinceTomJones
    @VinceTomJones 3 дні тому

    A video on Thomas Finch would be good... Thomas Finch took the first selection in the Luscombe Valley in the late 1800's . His great Grandson Mick still farms that property (around 50 acres on the Albert river) .. Thomas took a second selection a few years later which The rest of the grandchildren still own, which is about a kilometer back towards Beenleigh from the First selection (around 90 acres) . A woman wrote a very complete book on it some years back and I know that Mick's older brother Terry has a copy of that book. It is a great read with many historical details . You can email me on the email that you emailed me on before if you want some more information.

  • @uzetaab
    @uzetaab Рік тому +1

    Thank you for the interesting video.

  • @BeckiieAnne
    @BeckiieAnne Рік тому +2

    Would be interested seeing Park Ridge, as they are now tearing it up for development.

    • @dingobonza
      @dingobonza 11 місяців тому

      I can give you a rundown. Sonter family (my dad's family) owned the property where the highschool and shopping centre now is. They ran a turf farm and nursery. QLD Gov offered them money for the land to build the school (also where the house was) and they sold up, part of the deal was they got to develop the shopping centre, that sent them Bankrupt initially but eventually they built a house (themselves) in Greenbank, moved the whole family there and the shopping centre was sold, allowing them to have enough money to become lifelong property developers (I don't say that with pride lol). There's not much more too that area unless my grandparents just are oblivious to what came before them. They haven't been back in the nursery or turf game since accepting the QLD Gov offer.

  • @MG-hx1cc
    @MG-hx1cc 5 місяців тому

    There are still bits of the old railway just south of Logan Village

  • @maryvonneadams9378
    @maryvonneadams9378 11 місяців тому

    Thank you

  • @daklindsay
    @daklindsay Рік тому +1

    Great videos - have you done one on Coomera and Upper Coomera ?

  • @takishaslife1557
    @takishaslife1557 Рік тому +1

    Lyons would be an interesting one too do aswell my family ran a dairy the other two huge dairy' was at pimpama they took thier milk to the kingston butter factory and were timber cutters at lyons and up near monsidale .

    • @walkaboutwithrob
      @walkaboutwithrob  Рік тому +1

      @takishaslife1557 that's quite a coincidence, I was looking at the Lyons area just the other day. A very quiet area but lovely. Is there much else there?

    • @takishaslife1557
      @takishaslife1557 Рік тому +2

      @@walkaboutwithrob just a cemetery with some of our family buried there ,most of Lyons has been taken over with flagstone development ,small population lived there ,but the logan city council has a short documentary on Lyons area ,my name is Chris Lyons I am using my daughters account I hope that info helps explain abit on Lyons happy too answer any other questions , we have a lot of history old photos of hauling timber with teams of bullocks and some of the very first trucks at Monsidale North of Brisbane

    • @walkaboutwithrob
      @walkaboutwithrob  Рік тому +3

      @@takishaslife1557 thanks for all that, really appreciate it. The area could be incorporated into a video about somewhere nearby. Will look into it.

  • @sonyabunkum6212
    @sonyabunkum6212 Рік тому +1

    Army camp and pine Forrest. I grew up in Logan Village and live in Yarrabilba now

  • @Thelankylarrikin
    @Thelankylarrikin Рік тому +2

    Beaudesert history would be a cool one!

  • @dekumutant
    @dekumutant 11 місяців тому +1

    You dropped your crown king 👑

    • @walkaboutwithrob
      @walkaboutwithrob  11 місяців тому +1

      I don’t know what that means.

    • @francismckeown9700
      @francismckeown9700 11 місяців тому

      It means You truly are the best !
      We love watching your bite size Docos of our home Towns.
      Please keep the great content coming.

  • @dingobonza
    @dingobonza 11 місяців тому

    The area was pine until ~ 2013 (i grew up off Camp Cable Rd)

  • @straightedgeredhead
    @straightedgeredhead 2 роки тому +1

    so cool - loved it

  • @erikafels2771
    @erikafels2771 2 роки тому

    In my younger days, my 'Dad' told me that one of the elders of his Church delivered milk in a cart to Camp Cable. The details were a bit scarce. I believe 'Pop' Rodes was the guy's name.

  • @cameronrice3726
    @cameronrice3726 Рік тому +1

    I am pretty sure the timber mill was at the beginning of Plunket Road before it was burnt down.

    • @walkaboutwithrob
      @walkaboutwithrob  Рік тому

      @Cameron Rice Interesting. I didn't know there was a timber mill in the area.

    • @cameronrice3726
      @cameronrice3726 Рік тому

      @@walkaboutwithrob I could be wrong but that's what I was always told. Apparently a bit further down the road towards Tamborine Village there was a make ship hospital as well for the military. If there was it would be great to know more about this.

    • @fuzzedoutsounds
      @fuzzedoutsounds Рік тому +1

      You are right, it was on plunkett road.
      The pine forrest was always a commercial enterprise. Hancock timber purchased the land from the plunkett family and set about establishing the pine forrest in the 60's. Fire in 2001 wasnt the cause of its closure though, it was essentially abandoned as far as milling goes by the mid 90's and they wanted to find another use for the land. Thats where the development applications came from and the eventual partnership with lend lease to develop the estate.
      They milled pine for plywood production. The mill was cutting veneers to be sandwiched together to produce plywood, but the majority of the harvested timber went to their mill in ipswich.

  • @shellebelle53
    @shellebelle53 Рік тому +1

    Really interesting video, loved the Plunkett villa. Yarrabilba is such an eyesore. There used to be heaps of pine plantations and not much else many, many years ago. As part of a youth group back in the 80's we explored the pine forest and found an old abandoned house, at night...it was pretty eerie and lots of spiders.

  • @Dark_Dial_Watches
    @Dark_Dial_Watches 10 місяців тому +1

    Did anything of interest happen in the Bahrs Scrub area back in the day?

    • @VinceTomJones
      @VinceTomJones 3 дні тому

      Yes a lot.... A very lot... but now it is a series of Fraser Properties Ghettos with land sizes around 350 sq meters.. and a lot of crime; Unfortunately.. I will move off this acreage soon and go west young man.. lol

  • @stephenzeilstra6520
    @stephenzeilstra6520 11 місяців тому

    Hancock Pine Forest. I use to go chasing feral pigs in there back in the late 80’s early 90’s.

    • @VinceTomJones
      @VinceTomJones 3 дні тому

      We did too...In the seventies... It was funnnnnnn

  • @bluebludded
    @bluebludded Рік тому

    Use to ride dirt bikes all through there (the Pino) by locals lots of wild pigs there too

  • @geoffmccoll4640
    @geoffmccoll4640 10 місяців тому

    I have always wanted to buy a town house or a house in Beenleigh, or Yatata or Yarrabilba since I was born in 2001.

  • @bennycracka9672
    @bennycracka9672 2 роки тому +2

    When will the sprawl end? What's the plan?

    • @walkaboutwithrob
      @walkaboutwithrob  2 роки тому +1

      @Benny Cracka in terms of Yarrabilba, the area of further development is pre-determined and strictly controlled. They can only build in a certain area and not beyond.

    • @bennycracka9672
      @bennycracka9672 2 роки тому +2

      @walkaboutwithrob my concern is urban growth boundaries will continue to be extended further into natural settings and arable land. Sustainable Population Australia has a brilliant newsletter i think you would enjoy if you haven't read it already.
      Love the content Rob. Happy walkabout

  • @brydensears6318
    @brydensears6318 2 роки тому

    Great video

  • @davdav8709
    @davdav8709 Рік тому +2

    That place Camp Cable place would be great to swing a metal detector

    • @dingobonza
      @dingobonza 11 місяців тому

      Dad found WW2 items and explosives in there in the 60s riding on horseback through there, plenty to find I'd say but as to the safety... that's to be seen.

    • @doncoleman4938
      @doncoleman4938 7 місяців тому

      I know of a fellow who's done that down the Plunkett Rd. end. Found dog tags that were returned to family plus other little treasures.

    • @VinceTomJones
      @VinceTomJones 3 дні тому

      Done it.. too much lead and old shells...

  • @Aangel452
    @Aangel452 Рік тому

    Can’t believe you are covering yarrabilba, the stage of harvesting our last pine trees in the area, if only we knew this earlier I would have been harassing our local MP to stop the downing of these trees. So sad.
    My daughter went to yugumbir primary!

  • @raenoldparkin
    @raenoldparkin Рік тому +2

    I concieved my first child in the back of a Ute in Camp Cable Park.
    Used to walk through the Pine Forests as a kid. I don't think the fire that took ot was accidental. Yarrabilba was convenientally constructed afterwards. I did the brickwork on many houses in there. My brother still lives there.
    I placed the stonework that was used for the memorial plaque in Logan Village.

    • @dingobonza
      @dingobonza 11 місяців тому

      The fire was probably started by all the dirt bikes from memory. A lot of illegal dirtbikes going on in that forest. My memory is hazy but i recall seeing plans for Yarrabilba, Flagstone and some proposed cinema at Jimboomba back when Springfield was starting up so i dont think its a conspiracy.
      We grew up forbidden from going into that forest as dad had found WW2 explosives when he used to go riding through there in his youth. Make of that what you will, not to mention the insane heat and droughts in the early 2000s, followed by huge flooding annually which caused increased fuel loads.
      Also the firies in Jimboomba nearly burnt several houses down on Meadow Rd during their hazard reduction burns nearly 20 years ago so it wouldn't surprise me if it was them too.

  • @johng8186
    @johng8186 Рік тому

    Chambers flats next please 🙏

  • @frodosadventures8757
    @frodosadventures8757 Рік тому +2

    Thats Really interesting! We used to live at Sheldon and in the 90s Dad and I reguarly drove through that area to go Hang Gliding at Mt. Tamborine , Canungra and Beachmont. It was all bush and farm land then. I've never heard of Yarrabilba untill this video:
    ua-cam.com/video/dLDM1oeV23s/v-deo.html
    It's crazy how much development and housing is going on in that whole Logan Village, Tamborine, Jimboomba Beaudesert area. I couldn't recognise places last time I was in the area.

    • @dingobonza
      @dingobonza 11 місяців тому

      Lots of development, still 1 bus line lol. Leaving that area was the best thing we ever did!

  • @sonyabunkum6212
    @sonyabunkum6212 Рік тому +1

    My friend her parents had a sugar cane field along Morwell road

  • @jamesru1
    @jamesru1 Рік тому

    Did that sign say to climb on the vehicle

  • @dekumutant
    @dekumutant 11 місяців тому

    Keep it up hero

  • @VinceTomJones
    @VinceTomJones 3 дні тому

    Back in the seventies we used to ride our trail bikes through all that land.. and there are some caves on the eastern boundary where we used to take our plants to dry out,,, and when dry we used to trim them up.. and leave all the stems and stalks for the wallabies to eat... we used to shoot there too that was before the Government staged the Martin Bryant incident and took all the GgunsAway... from the law abiding citizens... but that is another story.. Completely...

    • @walkaboutwithrob
      @walkaboutwithrob  3 дні тому

      @@VinceTomJones and you have evidence that the shooting was staged?

    • @VinceTomJones
      @VinceTomJones 3 дні тому

      @@walkaboutwithrob Thank you for your message Rob.....There is a vast amount of information available online of you want to take the time to pour through it... I know a fellow now deceased ex army who was a consultant for a private investigation that was carried out relating to the impossibility of one individual carrying out that event single handed. This fellow published a paper in the Nineties from Maryborough called "The Fight Paper".. and published his findings week by week over a 6 week investigation. If you have ever done any shooting you will know that to let off that many high calibre rounds in that short space of time would leave you immobilised and on your back. ( Shooting Concussion) Google it... I have a saying.. Never try to talk anybody into anything and never try to talk anybody out of anything. All the best.

    • @walkaboutwithrob
      @walkaboutwithrob  3 дні тому

      @ no no no. What evidence do you have? All you’ve done is spin some tales. That’s not evidence.

    • @VinceTomJones
      @VinceTomJones 3 дні тому

      @@walkaboutwithrob Thank you for another message Rob. Like I have already said. I never try to talk anybody into anything and I never try to talk anybody out of anything. Also why do you continue to delete your messages to me after I respond to them?.. lol.. You can always use Google to do your own research if you want the truth of any matter. I simply cannot help you any further . All the best.

    • @walkaboutwithrob
      @walkaboutwithrob  3 дні тому

      @ as I have said so many times before to so many people, I do not delete comments. I don’t know why I have to keep explaining this. Once there are quite a few comments in a thread, UA-cam collapse the thread but once you go into it ALL the comments are there. As for the evidence of the government created shooting, I take it from your reluctance to offer any evidence that you don’t actually have any. Would that be accurate?

  • @paulfri1569
    @paulfri1569 2 роки тому +1

    Urban development will keep on going till it reaches the foot of the Great dividing ranges.

  • @GdayitsPete
    @GdayitsPete 2 роки тому

    Great job Rob,
    You beat me by a week.😉

    • @walkaboutwithrob
      @walkaboutwithrob  2 роки тому

      @G'day, it's Pete. Looking forward to seeing your version mate. Gotta be better than my stumbling efforts!

  • @skatedd2451
    @skatedd2451 Рік тому +1

    18 Mile Rocks Jindalee good walk along River

  • @sonyabunkum6212
    @sonyabunkum6212 Рік тому

    Then let to regrow until 2010

  • @geoffmccoll4640
    @geoffmccoll4640 10 місяців тому

    How to grab a home at $500 000 for a one bedroom in 2024. If only, there were an international investor with a Go Camera.

  • @theoztreecrasher2647
    @theoztreecrasher2647 2 роки тому

    Ah well, look on the bright side. That poor bloody Koala who is forced by our Environmental Warrior Friends to endlessly hike down the road each night on our screens will at least have some good new bitumen roads to wear his paws out on. Terrible to see the devastation all those 1/4 acre "Farmers" are visiting on our Native Habitat. I thought the legislation stopped all that? 😱🙄