Angry and CONFUSED!! Why didn’t the Pilots PULL UP?!
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On 3 May 2006, an #AirbusA320 was on route from Zvartnots International Airport in #Armenia to #Sochi International Airport in #Russia. After a series of confusing commands and requests from ATC, the plane began its approach into Sochi. The crew are becoming more and more frustrated and there is an increasing lack of #communication . What follows is the story of #Armavia Flight 967. Please note, this episode depicts loss of life.
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Below you will find the links to videos and sources used in this episode. Enjoy checking them out!
Sources
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Final Report:
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Sim Aircraft USed: A32NX by FlyByWire
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Tower 1: Darmon Richter
monumentalism.net/yerevan-zvar...
Yak 40: Igor Dvurekov
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakovle...
SAS Website: SAS
www.sasgroup.net/career/teams...
Opening of Dumas: К. Е. фон Ганн
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State Duma Members: Duma.gov.ru
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_D...
www.boldmethod.com
Crash 1: UNKNOWN
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Crash 2: UNKNOWN
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Crash 3: UNKNOWN
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Crash 4: UNKNOWN
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BEA: AP Photo/Christophe Ena
apnews.com/article/c85260a47b...
CHAPTERS
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00:00 - Start
00:23 - Flight History
03:40 - Takeoff, Climb & Cruise
06:40 - “We Have Deputies On Board”
08:53 - Shared Mental Models
12:29 - Left Of Center
15:09 - Frustrated Pilots
17:11 - Non-Standard Go-Arounds
19:16 - Mental Overload
22:58 - Speed, Speed, Speed!
24:54 - Somatogravic Illusion
27:21 - ”Level Off!”
30:03 - Too Little, Too Late
31:16 - The Aftermath
32:08 - The Findings - Фільми й анімація
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@Petter: most pilots seem REALLY calm. But not always. I...have to work at emotional self-regulation. I have techniques.
Crashes have started with pilots not managing their emotions.
Are pilots given an emotional regulation toolkit?
If not, It seems like that ought to be part of pilot training. I mean, they don't have to regulate off-duty. But training themselves to regulate in the cockpit, if not happening, could improve performance.
Q. _"Who operates such flights with the jitters and not enough sleep?"_
A. Just about every airline, bus company, trucking company, delivery company, train system, and cruise line in the world. That's who!
For some reason.... The "Terrain Terrain, PULL UP! PULL UP NOW!" aural warning absolutely terrifies me. I mean... there's the obvious warning... But I just find it especially ominous, because it's been the final words heard by so many pilots.
And why does the Airbus not pull up if it knows disaster is looming?
@@DasHemdchen You don't want the plane to override the pilots in that situation, necessarily. They might be executing a terrifying low-level move to avoid another aircraft, or some other catastrophe.
@@TheHopperUKi agree, but i also think its interesting the battle between pilots and a planes self-preservation systems. For example, modern planes limit control surface deflection angles at higher speeds to protect the plane, but what if the pilots were trying to avoid a collision and needed maximum deflection, even if it meant deformation of the wings or control surfaces etc.
Meanwhile a pilot is free to pull up at low air speeds and encourage a stall close to the ground if they miscalculate and pull up too hard. Surely that would have been a perfect time for the plane to limit the attitude authority.
Also interesting how the autopilot will only put the nose down in a stall and not touch the throttle. I mean yeah that's the correct thing to do, but there's been accidents where the pilots poor understanding of the automatic systems and stress has led to the throttle remaining at idle during a stall at low altitudes and the autopilot putting the nose down. Basically favouring airspeed at any cost, over altitude etc.
Haunting, it'n'it?
What scares me is the number of pilots who hear it and don't pull up.
The entire behaviour from the pilot is probably some of the most disgusting behaviour I’ve heard of. You leave your ego at the door when piloting, you’re supposed to be responsible, calm, respectful, listen to instructions, communicate with your team, and care about your passengers safety. This pilot did none of that, and I’m genuinely shocked he was allowed to fly that length of time with such a toxic attitude.
Thank you for calling out what I was only thinking.
Being an armenian and knowing "these" kinds of people I'm not surprised at all.
Indeed.
Workplace relationship, especially between a boss and his subordinates, is noticeably more barbaric in the East in general 🤷♂️
@@konstantin.v The Point is that in a Cockpit the relationship between Captain and First Officer should not be a BOSS and his subordinate but A TEAM working together.
If you haven't done so already, It would be great if you could do one on the pilot that nearly flew his plane into the ATC tower at Katmandu (causing controllers to duck!), then crashed after trying to do a very bad landing. He did this because he was upset about people questioning his flying skills.
I hope no one lost their lives due to this temper tantrum
@@ellicelikr the pilot should be forever banned from flying.
They crashed and all lives were lost
Air rage
US-Bangla Airlines Flight 211 actually had 20 survivors of the 71 people on board if that’s the flight you’re talking about
When I was learning military radio comms, I was shocked at how quickly I could become overloaded by stress and tension.
Oh, absolutely. When you have very limited control over both the information coming at you and flowing back and forth between others, all it takes is one missed step to feel like you're mentally behind everyone else. But while trying to catch up, everyone else just keeps moving further ahead. It's immensely stressful, not helped by the fact that on the radio, no one else can tell that you're not following along until/unless you speak up or others notice that you're not responding as expected.
One of the most worrisome things about fly8ng. We should try automatic air traffic control with human ATC for backup
@@Raptor747 We need more pilots and ATC workers to admit to being behind. If people are clear about their shortcomings, they're much more likely to get practical help from someone else that is still on-focus, and likely changing things up to be easier.
Better to have some delays than deaths!
@@RavenMobile I kept thinking that at least one of them would have just pulled up and told the tower that they need to go around and start all over, But no, bull headed thinking was the order of the day with the fatal result for everyone. 😔
Also, one of the worst train accidents ever was caused by the train driver running a red light because she was in a hurry to get home.
But unfortunately, only one train could be on the track at the same time. 🙄Same type of thinking.
The captain getting ever more angry at ATC calls may be a sign that he was stressed out and lost clear thinking already before they started the landing procedure.
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@@alunesh12345 get a life. One of your own.
First officer was annoyed at ATC as well
You would hope that professional pilots would know not to go down that path. If I feel myself starting to get angry, I always stop and check it. And if it's irrational, I shut it down.
Especially if I'm at work. Or driving a bunch of people somewhere.
Obviously, easy for me to say, but this crash reeks of bad decisions.
@@melodiefrances3898 Exactly. The fact that they „allowed themselves“ to descend into such shitty states of mind stands at the beginning and is at the core of this disaster.
It documents a lack of discipline and disregard for the PRIORITIES a pilot should have.
It seems to me the Captain became so annoyed with ATC that he simply forgot to fly his aircraft in accordance with laid out procedures. All fatal accidents are horrible of course they are, but accidents that are 100% preventable had things been done properly in an orderly manor are particularly tragic. You really do have me under your spell Captain Petter when you narrate these incidents, you have me hanging on your every word.
Indeed.
The Captain was not properly trained and he knew it. His frustration was with his own incompetence. People like this will never acknowledge they are confused and will continue to do wrong things until time runs out. It's bad enough working with one of these people in a work crew on the ground. In the air , it's really bad.
@@phil4986 dude I completely agree
I am someone who demands perfection but most of all from myself. If I’m not performing to my standard I can often lash out if I don’t take a step back and assess the situation
It’s why I likely wouldn’t put myself in the control seat of heavy machinery
Hey any more details on that crash i would be interested to review myself. What year, what airport?
It also clearly shows that most fatal and total losses involved stubborn, confused, agitated and generally incapacitated pilots. If the pilots couldn't stop themselves from crashing, I can already tell that their fate is already sealed.
I must say this is simply the best aviation crash investigation series I've ever watched!! Unlike those from National Geographic, I love how these docs only focused on the data. No drama at all. It's so so educational and it could not be better. Also, I feel like the animations that come with it (from some sort of simulation software, I'd assume) are superb! Keep up the amazing work, Mentour Pilot!! Such a fan!👏✈
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@@blackrack2008 😊😍✈️
I concur.
Agreed!
Very much agree. ✈️
I'd really like to see you do a video about the Bijlmer crash, the biggest airplane accident in the Netherlands, where a cargo 747 crashed into a huge flat. We still mourn that crash every year. It was horrifying. Even though we have all the details, I think you are the right person to make it more comprehensible for many of us.
Mayday-Air Crash Investigation has that crash.
@@sureshmukhi2316 Sure but they did ones of the other crashes too. But I like this channel better. But yeah.
If the « open climb » mode is activated and the target altitude set is more 1200’ above the a/c altitude, the « open climb » will set target pitch attitude to reach about 8000 f/ min and ATHR will go to « speed/Mach »mode?
Sorry, but it’s not correct!
FCOM A320: « The OPEN CLB mode is a selected mode. It uses the AP/FD pitch mode to maintain a SPD/MACH (selected or managed) while the autothrust (if active) maintains maximum climb thrust. »
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This accident is a personal one... 😭 I used to work at the Zvartnots International Airport and that night I was working. I knew the second officer personally (he was my neighbor) and one of the flight attendants... Regarding the high ranking passengers on board, which might have influenced the turned around back to Sochi is true. Several passengers were from criminal organization (in post soviet union territory they are called thief-in-law or "воры в законе") and they had a very high profile meeting in Sochi...
You display typical post-soviet mentality of attributing cause of every event to some behind the scene shenanigans. With this kind of low trust outlook (epistemology in fact) you people in the post-soviet world will never manage to catch up with the West.
@@ongvalcot6873 A) we, people from the post soviet world, don't want to catch up with the western world. We are not in a race.
B) Does not the presence of criminal entities on board to some degree explain captain's frustration or his strange decision making? Maybe he was pressured from the inside?
I leave in a small country where inside information travels at the speed of light plus I was there that night I saw what was happening at the airport when the airplane crashed.
C) I am not gonna engage in public discussion with some smart-ass racist motherfucker who thinks he can make such statements.
For any folks who are confused about what “Thief in Law” means, it does not mean they are government officials who are corrupt… what it means is that they are leaders of criminal organizations, such as the equivalent of a mob/gang/mafia boss in the U.S., however, these Russian guys are a little different because they have a code amongst themselves that they have to follow… it’s a very particular way of carrying themselves and very specific “laws” within the criminal world that they must follow… like a moral code of criminal organization leaders…. This is an old-school thing and it’s a dying breed of people in Russia so only a few of these folks left. It comes from way back in the day in the Soviet Union, so since most of those people became old and passed away, there aren’t many who still follow these unwritten rules.
@@poloska9471 is the government aware of them? if so, is it legal?
@@camila8031 The government is part of the whole machinery and the biggest thief in law of all.
I'm always surprised when I hear about incorrect responses to GPWS warnings. One would assume that the correct response would be drilled into pilots in a way that they would react to it without even needing to think first, almost like a conditioned reflex to the sound (except maybe in super rare circumstances with 100% visual awareness + expecting it to occur). It even includes an audible 'pull up!' for good measure. Is this not included in recurrent training etc?
Yes, we do train it regularly.
how did he comment 19 hours ago..
@Infinity Tech People who support channels often get early access and extras.
prob he forgot to put the video on private and they commented before he changed the vid to private
Maybe if there are too many false positives they become complacent and don’t respond properly .
Ya NEVER know how bad that invisible pilot is, locked behind that door up front.
True, and on a happier note you also never know how big a hero they can be. After watching this channel, I always wonder if some heroic actions were taken behind that door, and as I’m walking off the flight I could be walking past someone who saved my life, and I would never know it.
To me it seemed the biggest issue throughout was lack of communication between the pilots. Which just got worse as the situation worsened.
I'm amazed how you can see the virtual horizon go up, the altitude meter tick down, the plane telling you to pull up, and you still don't pull up. Brain freeze or not, leveling off that instrument should be the core muscle memory of any pilot.
I'm not a pilot, but if my car ever screamed at me, I would react.
In the end, I'm thinking fatigue, alarms, darkness and anxiety put the captain in some sort of unreality state. The habit of poor call outs undermined CRM too when it became most critical. Horrible, poor passengers....
The moment Mentour said that they were angry at ATC for not letting them land and wanted them to give better weather I said, thats not pilots way to handle things. I mean, as pilot you are only working for your company, you do the flights for the company, not because they personally wanted to go to Sochi, so why bother about it?
Not overloading was the reason, those pilots weren't suitable to do their job.
@@Delibro There are a fair number of incidents and crashes commented on the channel about pilots feeling a perceived time pressure. This is not commented here, and it might not be applicable in this incident, but it is certainly not uncommon.
@@ribosoman593 This may be, then the bosses are responsable for those tragic losses too.
Q. _"Who operates such flights with the jitters and not enough sleep?"_
A. Just about every airline, bus company, trucking company, delivery company, train system, and cruise line in the world. That's who!
Lies
This is true, but the only difference is if you're from annexe Serviot state, or Narnia, or Amarnia den dem izz just shyte pilits innit.
Mods: don't crucify me, I'm only reflecting what some people have been saying in the comments. The real truth is, that certain Nations with English not as their mother tongue, really need to train harder and raise themselves to the ICAO standard which was really standardised in Western aviation authorities. I also believe that if you're going to be a captain on type, then you should really have more than 5000 hours on type or be a line training captain if you're going to have an average inexperience in the entire cockpit.
Actually, good regulations, oversight, and enforcement prevent that sort of thing--or at least prevent the dangerous levels of it--in American and most Western airlines. Of course, they used to have the same problems, so it's not some kind of inherent cultural thing, just a matter of improving safety regulations and oversight.
@timemachine194 according to the airline records*
It's true. 😢
I have a newfound fear of flying and, as counterintuitive as it sounds, your videos help me quite a bit! Thank you for doing what you do.
Ditto. I have got more nervous as I’ve gotten older - loved flying as a kid. These vids are reassuring in a sense ie industry learns and improves. But it does show how tiny details, bad luck, bad judgement or all of the above can and still do happen 😮
True, those numbers tell you "its sooo unlikely you get into a plane crash" but these Videos make it way more crompehensible how much things actually need to go wrong for there to be an incident, let alone an accident.
Could possibly be some form of 'exposure therapy' in a way that the more videos of Petter you watch, the more you understand the sheer amount of robust redundancies and safety features built in place to make sure a deadly aviation accident doesn't occur, so even when you still fully don't understand something, you're not completely in the dark anymore and understand a lot of things are working to keep you safe.
This is the 2nd flight (after Air France 447) where Airbus dual input has doomed the flight, making the 2nd pilot unable to undo the mistakes of the 1st one.
Not aircraft fault though
Why would there be no audio warning when the Captain is pulling back and the 1st officer is pitching nose down? Makes no sense.
@@ilfordino-fordfiestatutori8725 yes and no... in any Boeing aircraft this would've been avoided due to both side sticks acting as one. If one side is pulled up the other pulls up and vice versa
Exactly what I was thinking. I may just be a layman here, but what can the logic be for creating a situation where you have the pilots essentially undoing each other.
I don't like the Airbus lack of force feedback when 2 pilots are using the controls in a tense situation.
I think its dangerous.
Uggggg...I'm not sure there's anything in the world more destructive than the human ego. This incident really highlights the importance of leadership you've been talking about for so long. Thank you for your work on this channel, as a pilot, and as an educator.😊✈️
Ikr?
In a professional setting, you check that s*** at the door. And if people's lives are depending on you, you don't bring it into the building.
I understand easy for me to say, but the more I hear/read about this crash, the more appalled I get. The pilot was angry and swearing and seemed incapable of - well, not SEEMED incapable, WAS incapable of doing basic elements of his job.
So sad that others paid the ultimate price.
@@melodiefrances3898 Yes, exactly. It was not the crucial point that their abilities were not enough to land an aircraft under this conditions, they had enough fuel on board to simply fly back home - it was the dealing with this unability what caused the crash and which was totally unprofessional.
I don’t think it was an ego thing. I think it was an insecure pilot.
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Thank YOU for being here friend. Dream big bud, you CAN do it! 💙
Use your imagination to accomplish your goal.
My teenage son says I'm "funny" because when someone tells us "NO, it's impossible, I can't help you, you can't do it.". I always find a way to succeed. That is my advice. Find a way.
It's steps. Once you accomplish a step, take the next. They add up and it's worth it. ONE. MORE. STEP. That's our motto. One more step.
@@michaelpipkin9942 thank you for the words of encouragement! I will be sure to never give up on my dreams no matter what!💪🏾
@@nass11 Remember. One more step. After that, one more step. I promise, after alot of steps, you WILL be at the top. Smiling. Good luck young one.
Agreed NF - we owe much to Petter, Juan (Blancolirio), Kesley (74 Gear), Captain Joe, Askcaptainscott etc. - thank you all. One element they've certainly got into my simple little brain is that no matter the size of aircraft, no matter the 'modern' avionics, no matter the number/nature of safety features, ALL aircraft - large/small, commercial/military/private etc. MUST adhere to the laws of aviation and the 4 forces: drag/thrust, gravity/lift. Ignore them at your peril......
This is one of the most disastrous outcomes to a completely avoidable accident. Almost number 1 in your series after the pilot that let his kids fly the passenger plane. Russian also I think.
Yes - but this two guys were Armenians, not Russians.
@@NicolaW72 same shit
@@pepperkilldevelopment9069 Not even close. Typical American 🙄
@@pepperkilldevelopment9069 nah
The only good thing about the kid flying the plane was that they taught pilots how to maneuver the quirks of the auto pilot .
"give them better weather"
Definitely heard that before.
Your content is amazing. I had never before seriously considered wanting to be a pilot, but you have continued to inspire me to do so. I can’t thank you enough for making me open my eyes to the world of aviation. It is truly fascinating.
Thank you for being here Gabriela! Stay tuned! 😀
Many times I’ve wished this kind of information was available when I was growing up. I’m always shocked at how easy it is to find information on potential careers, be it aviation, colleges, trades, military etc.
When I was making those kinds of career decisions, I had, at the very most, maybe 10% of the info that can be found today. I’m sure it’s a great help in a young person’s career decision making process.
Start flying in simulators (X-Plane is a cheap and good choice), then make a PPL licence. Then You will know what will be next.
It's one of the only channels I am consistently looking forward to the next video to come out. Him and his team do amazing work
@@user-sx1fg7lc3c Yes, however, using caps in title or subtitles is a quite annoying.
Graphics, effects, and editing are absolutely marvelous, Petter! 💛🙏🏽
Thanks Glen! 💙
@@MentourPilot You've managed to peg it all up yet another notch in terms of production on this one - amazing!
This is my hometown and I lived there back then. I remember the hassle all around the incident and everybody wondering what the hell happened actually. Thanks for shedding light on this!
So sad how this could have been avoided. Whenever I get into a no win situation with myself, I tend to pull off to the side and try to relax and breathe.
It's easy to be an arm chair quarterback after the fact. Sometimes when I get to work and the weird things start happening, I will stop and go outside and take a breath then restart my day. Swallow your pride. Nobody is above stress levels that they cannot control.
21:12 If I was to offer a possible explanation for the captain selecting 975 metres, since we're talking about having possibly already reached mental overload, he may have interpreted the instruction of "climb 600" as to climb BY 600m above the current altitude, rather than climbing TO 600m.
They were at 1040ft = 316m.
Add 600m to that, and you have your approximate 900m altitude that was selected.
He also might have grabbed the wrong knob...
He presumed he did an earlier calculation wrong. He multiplied his current setting of 2000 by 1.6 and arrived at 3200. That is EXACTLY the conversion factor from miles to km.
They should switch to metric system alltogether. Learning to estimate and handle miles instead of km is a small but significant obstacle for pilots, especially if most the world memorizes distances and the like in the metric system.
"Hurtling". I love that word. So expressive, so descriptive, so...fast.
Per wil know it from "Hutr" Old Norse. And Swedish 'Hurtig' meaning fast. And our English use of Hurry and to Hurt.
@@andyharpist2938 Etymology. I love it. Thank you.
Today when we were out we discussed our lunch order and then 10 minutes later my partner said the order before she left our table to order however she had mixed up our order so without thinking I asked for a readback of our entire order. This prompted her to rethink the order. CRM at work thanks to us watching this channel.
It works!
@@MentourPilot As a medical software engineer, I agree as well!
It's great that you talk about the things that happen in as much detail as you do. I have seen/heard many channels doing this but they are nowhere near what you give us with details and about explanations around what one can/could have done differently. Thanks man for your time :)
Get-there-itis +fatigue+ plus cranky captain= line up holes on Swiss cheese=recipe for disaster.😢
Thanks again Mentour for a wonderful report.
I’m a GA SEL instrument rated pilot. I cannot emphasize strongly enough how your videos have positively influenced me. In essence, your educational approach has, I believe, made me a better pilot. Thank you!
Yes, he gives a lot of great procedural and technical lessons.
I'm a GA PPL too, but a lot of the techniques he talks about are absolutely applicable and should be taught more at the GA level.
I feel like an entire course could be build on just good cockpit practice for GA.
There's no reason even with non-pilot passengers that you can't set-up a good CRM.
- Have them pre-flight the aircarft with you.
- Take them through a pre-flight briefing including weather, NOTAMS, taxi-ways, departure procedures from the GA airfield.
- Have them monitor things like the suction gauge, ammeter, check the fuel with you, have them identify landmarks.
- Encourage them to challenge you and explain that you will respond positively to challenge. A no-ego culture.
- Do an approach briefing with them. I can't think of any negative impact to doing that.
- When you call out a check, point to what you checked and get them to confirm
etc etc.
There's a lot we could do better in GA, that's for sure.
@@simonjohnson1257 Lots of other professions would benefit from CRM training. Medicine for one.
Yeah nowt better than watching youboob videos to improve your flying 🤗🤗🤗🤗👍
As always, i am really moved by the investigative spirit and as you rightly pointed out, it feels all the more tragic, the more avoidable it might have been. I just feel so sad and hope that each investigation leads to better understanding of complex machines and human interactions. Thank you for your sensitive work. Safe landings.
I love that you are doing these so regularly now, you nailed the quality, format and style. Really looking forward to when you get to Air France 447, I hope it will be a double episode as its quite an amazing (not to mention affecting) story.
Mentour is one of the best aviation youtubers ever
Aw that's so kind! Thank you friend! 😍
I'm really enjoying this series. That has to be one of the most avoidable accidents in aviation history. The pilots appear to have approached the whole flight with the wrong attitude. I would be interested to know your thoughts on adding a "Hail Mary" button. If the pilots become completely confused they hit the button and the plane takes over and tries to save the situation. In an situation like this I think it could have saved the flight, the pilots were clearly confused about what was happening but the plane seemed to know.
As far as I know the F-117 Nighthawk has that feature due to pilot disorientation as they flew at night only. I'm pretty sure it caused the loss of a couple of pilots and planes. Although thats from memory, I would need to look it up again to be 100% ;)
I'm usually not too keen on relying entirely on a plane's sensors and programming and stuff, as improper coding and faulty sensors lead to a lot of accidents that could have been avoided. In this case however, an option to just let the plane take over could have very likely prevented this accident from happening. All throughout this story we can see that the plane knew what was going on and understood the steps to correct the issues, but the pilots simply wouldn't let the plane do anything to save the situation. Especially when they disengaged the autothrottle. The plane *knew* it was going too fast and tried to slow itself down, but the pilot disengaged the autothrottle and at that point there was nothing else the plane could do.
'brown underpants buton' has a better ring to it!
Yes, or perhaps further, a "pull up now or I will" mode to prevent controlled flight into terrain. Like the story of Balaam in the Old Testament, the vehicle (in that instance a donkey) may be smarter than the driver.
@@azurblueknights especially airbus computers... can´t really do much wrong if you just let the computer do its thing (well, going into negative altitudes aside, but I would guess who ever sits in an A320 cockpit knows how to prevend an AP from doing that :) )
Great, highly informative series!
I hope every pilot and every maintenance worker out there are watching all of these videos.
In a time of pilot shortages, all the ones looking to fill those spots need content like yours. Some don't realize what, and how much, is at stake when they're behind those controls...
You can't bring your attitude to Work. Discipline is needed..
I can't help feeling that the crew were fatigued and that this played a part in the accident, even commenting on it themselves. There wasn't really that much stress on them however they seem irritable and poor CRM, and inability to deal stress. That plus the lack of visual references, relatively little time on the type with an ingrained experience of Russian style primary flight displays which may have come to the for when fatigued and stressed likely led to them becoming disorientated and unable to recover. It really emphasises the importance of immediately following GPWS warnings immediately and as soon as you hear them accepting that you've lost your mental model and situational awareness without question.
Night flying is just wrong. It is begging for problems
I don't think the captain really understood how to fly the Airbus 320 or how it worked. His actual experience was low. Airbus automation is excessive, and its implementation is not understandable to humans. There are too many modes and too much interference between humans and the airplane. Half the time the airplane computer is doing something that the humans are unaware of. Like not allowing TOGA mode if a wheel touches the runway. Airbus is fucked.
Agreed.. a gpws hard warning should immediately come with the realization that you don't know where you are.
@@kentbetts Simply: no! It was a very simple procedure: Thrust to TOGA, Flaps to three, Gears retracted. Really nothing more than that. The computer would have done the rest. It´s simply basics - like if you´re driving you simply should know that the brakes are not used for speeding your car up. It´s not the guilt of the car when you´re on an highway, you want to increase the speed and you press the brakes and the car is making a full stop causing a crash - it´s your incompetence to drive a car.
'Jitters' and implying the airline knew. 24h and health check my backside. I think there might be some creative bookkeeping to protect the airline.
The Russian distrust of “authorities” giving information seems to have been a big factor here. The pilots seem to think the ATC is trying to screw them over for some reason which is just paranoid but stems from years of people hiding problems from you or putting in restrictions for unexplained or nonsensical reasons.
That is a really good point (!) and could explain - at least partially- why the pilot expressed anger and frustration with the ATC. The communication were anything but smooth. I wondered about that. It must be hard to fly at night - but it was a short flight - and I was kind of shocked when the FO said he was jittery. Plus the weather report kept changing and the fact that the warning about both pilots inputting was not heard seemed to doom the flight. Excellent but upsetting video, I myself was distracted by the little creepy music breaks. Like all have been saying, it seems like the plane would have made it without the confused pilots.
@@mapleext To put it differently: His Russophobia killed him and all his passengers.
@@dquzmanovic Pretty sure it wasn't that since Armenia is one of Russia's colonies disguised as being independent. Georgia? Sure. Azerbaijan? Sure. But not in Armenia.
@@kerotomas1 It's not my post. I'm just paraphrasing.
@@mapleext and the pilot was not calling out any of his moves on the controls to the copilot, to the point of just seconds before the crash both the pilots were doing opposite things with their sidesticks, one pilot totally unaware of what the other pilot was doing. If at least on those final seconds of the flight the captain called out that he was now also trying to push the plane's nose up instead of continuing to put h down the plane, the copilot perhaps would have relented from pushing this sidestick to the left and the plane may have levelled off.
You and your team knocked it out of the park with this video. Great job. A very sad and avoidable accident, it was.
As an Armenian, I find it very sad watching this video as knowing the behaviour of a lot of Armenians I can imagine what they were talking when they found out they had to return to Yerevan. Love from Belgium tho ❤️
When an Armenian acts badly, they dishonor all of us. What a shame. 70 years of Soviet rule caused their incompetence to rub off on us. You rarely see this kind of thing from western Armenians.
Why would a pilot be irritated when an approach controller tries to help you conform to the STAR?
A great question Niklas!
This is, at least, the second incident I have heard of where the dual inputs in sidesticks and the aircraft "averaging the inputs" being a contributing factor. Perhaps this needs to be redesigned.
Yeah - can anyone think of a situation where averaging conflicting inputs is going to give the right net input?! Both pilots are likely to get (more) confused, because the plane is not doing what either of them are inputting. At least having an audible warning of conflicting inputs would be a step forward, surely. These planes have proven to be extremely safe and reliable, and it takes some seriously incompetent piloting, but it happens occasionally. - Got to keep improving!
@@jimmyrh247 The one case I can think of is where both pilots are doing the exact same thing, as we saw in a recent video. And even that is only "right" by pure coincidence.
those poor pilots stalling their aircraft into the sea off Brazil, were fighting each other by side-control-stick all the way down, I believe.
I think it was last week's review. Agree, the fact that the two sticks aren't liked so each pilot has force feedback of what the other is doing is I think a problem. It seems that in all the similar incidents, the pilot that is trying to correct the incorrect actions of the pilot flying forget they have to tell the computer they want to be in control.
It also seems ironic that in all these kind of incidents, that if the pilots just let go of the side stick or yoke and made sure the engine thrust was sufficient, the plane would level off and begin a gentle climb. And at a low volume airport like Sochi at 2am, there's probably little chance of hitting another plane, while you do this and take the time get your act together.
@@jimmyrh247 The idea is likely to prevent the plane from suddenly rolling over because one pilot went hard on the stick. An emergency situation while piloting a plane is likely a hell of a lot easier to recover from if the plane is leveled off, so the average between the sticks was implemented to try and avoid making a problem worse by one pilot or the other. Unfortunately we do end up with problems like the one in this video in regards to the averaging of the inputs, but its not likely to be changed because again-- recovering a plane while leveled is easier than trying to recover one that's rolling sharply. Newer aircraft do have a warning when it detects opposing inputs on the sticks, however, so its not like this issue hasn't ever been addressed. Whether or not the pilots are capable of heeding said warning is another matter, however.
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The lack of comunication among the two pilots regarding what each of them were doing caused this sad accident. Each pilot should always tell the other pilot what they're doing. The dual input warning system should be announced alternated with the pull up warning in my opinion. I hope this can be improved in the future?
I Just reviewed this accident, unfortunately, there was no communication between the pilots in cockpit. What a unfortunately icident. I'm sure that the weather was a factor.
Again, a very well presented and analytical video. Your graphics are excellent for illustrating the confusion of the captain with multiple sensory inputs, and how PF confusion leads quickly to breakdown of the overall crew competency. A sadly avoidable but also understandable accident.
Now, perhaps I'm a bit biased given a background in drug education and medicine, but it almost feels like the captain could have been abusing some form of stimulant to get him through the night flights. This could be anything from legal caffeine, herbal supplements, or prescribed amphetamines to illegal drugs like cocaine or methamphetamine. My mind immediately clicked onto that route given the Captains apparent jitters (mentioned by the FO), paranoia (the Sochi controller is conspiring against me!), agitation/irritability/irrational behavior (this AP mode is broken! Screw this! We're landing at Sochi, tell him we have deputies!), overconfidence (changing the configuration without telling the FO), and hyperfixation (zoning in on one aspect of his flight envelope while neglecting another, e.g. Noticing altitude but neglecting v. Speed), and aggressive/labile behavior i.e. Short fuse (explosive anger at being waved off the approach, slamming down the flaps and trying to force the approach).
Of course, there are a dozen other explanations for these, including simple fatigue, but some of the behaviors just seem to ring particularly true to my mind as somebody who could have been wired on uppers for the late shift, having worked with plenty of people in that very same state.
Yes. Psychologically damaged for sure.
A very good point, I assume "jitters" is translated and could be slang for stimulants, as the FO's comment makes a lot more sense in this context. Though then they probably wouldn't be discussing how tired they were, so it could be just feeling shaky from too much coffee. At the same time, the captain's behavior, attitude and decision making does seem quite off, like you described.
Perhaps. We'll never know. But never underestimate the effect that sleep deprivation or sleep minima can do
@@DiederikCA I would never underestimate the effect of fatigue, but at the same time, this was a 1 hour flight after a 24+ hrs rest period, and around midnight. If they were so very tired and just wanted out of there, why not just go with the first idea and fly back home, surely that's the easiest choice to make? The sudden insistence to do it the hard way and land at Sochi even though the weather was obviously bad just seems off.
@@tilly6085 Yeah youre right! Very tragic and incomprehensible overall
It's always sad when I hear pilots working against each other; the outcomes are rarely good.
This is most often true David 🙁
It seems to be such an obvious disadvantage of Airbus controls that this grade of non-cooperation is even possible.
@@fluchschule After hearing about accidents like this, I'm starting to think that "Dual input" should override even the GWPS warning.
@@fluchschule "It seems to be such an obvious disadvantage of Airbus controls that this grade of non-cooperation is even possible." Correct. Airbus is a defective death trap. This case is one of many many similar examples.
@@kentbetts To claim airbus is a death trap is beyond outrageous when you look at their safety record. The recent fiasco of the 737 max, and before that the frequent safety issues of the 787, have even made Airbus' record stand out like no others. The side stick is a powerful design choice which offers many benefits, and is perfectly safe if the crew are well trained and follow procedure. The sticks are not linked because they don't have to be. There is a sidestick priority control button on the stick. Badly trained crew forget how to properly use it. Tha same badly trained crews that can bring a yoke aircraft down just the same.
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Another wonderful accident analysis, TYVM for great, albeit sad video. Fresh Crew and good rest between schedules is so important.
The intial irritability of the Captain and the changing of settings seems like the symptoms of a sharp drop in blood sugar. When mine drops I start to be irritable, things that should not bother really start to make me angry. There can also be a brain fog that makes normal activities take a lot more concentrated thought to get right and I often rethink what I am doing even if what I was doing was right. Stress would increase the irritability and the brain fog.
I have dealt with hypoglycemia most of my life and can usually catch the signs(which can include irritability, brain fog, sudden fatigue, muscle tremors, nausea, weakness) and know I need to get something to eat, but if the Captain had never had a blood sugar drop he would not know what was happening and it would continue to get worse.
An excellent presentation as usual. Definitely lots of human factors involved including from ATC. What sticks out the most to me was how inexperienced the crew was which seems to have caught up with them. Too many perfectly good airplanes get flown into the ground by airlines who feel it’s better to have lower paid pilots with less experience then an experienced crew worth paying more for. Meeting standards is not the same as having sufficient experience.
Too many swiss cheese holes. A combination of events and thought processes cause the doom.
The capt had 5500 and first officer 2200 hours. Captain had 20 years aviation related experience and copilot 7 years
It's a fairly substantial amount ?
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26:32 - Sometimes when I am on a flight at night I spend the first 30 or so minutes of the flight with a vague feeling as though I am falling backwards. It only happens when I'm not in a window seat and can't look out the window. I think I now understand why that happens....
Thank you Petter for another great video presentation keep them coming. One can not help to wonder if this was in a conventional control column aircraft like Boeing 737 that the crew would have been able to pull out of the dive. This also reminds me of the Air France-447 A330 crash. Where both pilots were confused about the position of the control sidestick, one of the pilots was pulling and the other was pushing.
For me the lesson learned from this accident is that no matter what the environment throws at you, as a pilot you have to maintain a professional attitude in the cockpit at all times.
I will!
@@MentourPilot With Boeing aircraft, contrary input on both yokes will result in either:
A. The stronger or more consequent pilot winning, which might well be the frozen pilot, OR
B. The aircraft averaging the input of both pilots (if they manage to "break" the yoke interlock in a FBW like 777 or 787), OR
C. The captain's yoke winning (if they manage to "break" the yoke interlock in a non-FBW like 737, iirc).
The Boeing 777 pilots of Air France flight 11 managed to break the interlock while both gave strong contrary input to their yokes. Consequently, the Triple Seven averaged their yoke inputs. Juan Browne had a video about this incident, only some months ago.
So when you have the PF freeze and giving continuous detrimental input, even the Boeing concept might not save you. Interestingly, the AF11 incident also involved a startle factor during approach to their destination, PF pushed buttons erratically, and both didn't do the callouts. Didn't result in a crash, though, as they were at higher altitude AGL and in perfect VFR conditions. With AF447 though, the pilot in the left seat _did_ actually call out "My controls" when taking over, but the PF in the right seat didn't let go of his controls, but continued to give constant full nose up input when there were Stall warnings.
@@skayt35 Indeed, exactly. AF Flight 11 shows what really could happen even in a Boeing - the video of Juan Browne is very worthy to watch. In an Airbus you really have to have a developed understanding how the aircraft works to be able to fligh it safe, especially under difficult external circumstances.
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Love your channel - you explain things so clearly. This is the 2nd analysis you have done where both pilots engaged the stick (??) without the other knowing. Lack of communication between the pilots is key. As a 1st officer - it must be very stressful to think the captain is doing something wrong and engage to try to over correct.
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Another very sad event. The explanation and presentation of this sad event was excellent.
I sure hope that other pilots watch your presentations.
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There was an engineer mentioned along with the pilots at the beginning, but nowhere in the remainder of the video was he even mentioned. I was wondering what he was doing during the chaotic time in the cockpit.
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4:31 I love meters.
In Germany we use meters as well and I have a hard time to translate feet into meters every time.
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Small correction: in case of dual input on sidesticks on Airbus, aircraft executes sum of commands, not average. Eg, if both pilots move their sidesticks 0.5 of full deflection to the same direction, then aircraft will bank/pitch at a rate of a single sidestick full deflection (but in any case not more than max rate of a single sidestick), not average of 0.5 of both inputs
Who cares? That control scheme on Airbus is dumb! Period!
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Another very good video sir! It's incredible why none of the pilots were looking to see the actual altitude and were stuck focused on a far less important factor, the turn, combined with their freaking stress which reduced their awareness and skill of flying dramatic to the point of not knowing how to fly or what they were doing anymore! Very sad:(.
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That warning priority/masking behavior has been called out before as contributing to the problem. Perhaps the manufacturers will eventually cue the multiple messages to play in a quick loop instead of silencing one of them.
The problem there is that in itself can cause overload and for the pilots to prioritise the wrong thing.
In the end most of these accidents come down to experience and professionalism, and keeping your head when in a high stress situation. Some airlines do a better job than others at training for and expecting that.
There can also be a huge gap between a captain who knows the aircraft systems inside out and one who knows them well enough to do his job. Good example where that made a difference is QF32.
It seems to me (non-pilot) that if both pilots responded to the GPWS warning 'PULL UP' by actually pulling up, then it would be fine.
A dual input warning at that moment would make it clear there are two inputs. But it would not be clear the correct input is to pull up.
The dual input warning is also displayed in the flight screens.
Well the warning was "Pull up" which if executed would've saved the aircraft. Dual Input just wasn't important.
@@chrissim4386 it was, one pulled up, the other input not pulling up (and slightly diving) stopped the aircraft from pitching up.
An excellent illustration of this tragic and avoidable accident. The various videos produced here contribute to the safety of flight around the world, they are sobering and informative for those us lucky enough to be at the controls of modern aircraft.
Thank you, that’s nice to hear
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Thank you! My team and I are constantly working to make better content
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The take away lesson for a lot of these air disasters seems to be this: it's not the bad weather you need to be afraid of, so much as the marginal weather, because all the bad or confused decision making seems to come in at the periphery
Thank you for the videos you do man it's really clears up what happened with this particular crash there should only be one hand on the actual control at any time unless the main pilot ask for it
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How how how can they hear “pull up, pull up, pull up” and an altitude dropping like that and not even react to it. Absolutely crazy
Indeed.
Thank you for your great videos, this again is another interesting accident.
I just would like to correct a minor misunderstanding about dual input commands. They are not averaged as you mentioned in your video but algebraically added. The difference is; if one pilot commands 2 deg left and other 4 deg left result will be 6 deg left. But if you average the inputs you will to get 3 deg left which is incorrect.
Opposite inputs would be subtracted from each other so those cases average of both inputs would be same as their subtraction.
Awesome. Thank you
Is there a fundamental flaw in the dual sidestick system? If one pilot is trying to input the correct control inputs and the other is doing something wrong then there is an overalls incorrect input. It reminds me of the Air France crash in the Atlantic
Excellent narration on this flight. Thank you.
I never found such a great explainer than you Peter! I never had the idea of being a Pilot but your explanations of how planes work and fly, made me want to fly one! I thank you.
Love your vids! Please do one for USAir Flt 405, which crashed on takeoff from La Guardia airport, Flushing, New York, on March 22, 1992 (ice/snow on the wings). At the time of the crash, one of the survivors was a coworker of mine. His description of the experience has long fascinated me. When the plane came to a stop, it was upside down with the nose of the aircraft in the icy cold waters of Flushing Bay. My coworker told me how he had a moment where he was strapped to his seat, upside down, in the dark, under water, and he accepted he was going to die. Then he decided that he would not go down without a fight, unbuckled his seat belt, and made his way to shore, assisting a flight attendant who had a broken leg. He also spoke of survivors guilt following the crash.
Thank you Petter, that was absolutely amazing. I'm still hoping that you will cover crash of 738 in Krasnadar in 2016. I'm really interested in your personal thoughts because i've read all the final reports and watched different investigations about both events in Sochi and Krasnadar but i love the way you originally accent somethings diving into the whole story. That is the only way to cover and to understand what has happened and i would love to hear that accents about Flydubai accident. You always find something to add.
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When switching on the autopilot and leaving the cockpit to get a coffee would've been the far better reaction...
Yes.
Absolutely love those videos. I'm not a pilot nor do I have any connection to the aviation industry but the explanations are so great that even a non-professional like myself understands what's going on. No drama or wild action sequences like in some tv shows. Simple, informative, detailed. Just amazing content.
No dramatic music. At least this channel lets us know what caused the accident or hard landing.
What a way of telling such a horrible disaster in such a easy way! You are being delightful when explaining about this disaster.