I was born a Roman Catholic and was devout late into my twenties! But when I encountered Bertrand Russell's ' Why I'm not a Christian' was shocking indeed! God's only begotten son was murdered on the orders of god his father because Adam ate an Apple did it for me!
@Kim, But isn't it exactly what you westerners have been doing for centuries now for hinduism, instead of learning from hindus u distorted hindu texts and made evil theories to serve ur evangelical agendas and now accusing us of foul play, Hypocrisy? Double standards?
What if? A problematic presupposition on your part . Authority is demonstrable . Evidence of academic or spiritual background with accredited sources should be posted . That and the ability to express it here.
I live in America and I hope India will not become poisoned by Christianity. It will totally change a person's nature, and not for the better. It is a source of pain and anguish and false hopes and mental illness. It is not a solution to any problem. It has made my life far worse. Once you start bringing it into your mind, it is almost impossible to un-do.
No to worry. Despite under the British rule for nearly 150 years and billions of dollars spent on proselytizing Christians form 3% of the population. Muslims same. Hinduism is like the grass which is never blown away even by powerful tornados nor washed away by floods and survives any drought. So, as Hindus, we are not worried.
It is a mass hypnotic spell administered by fear, earlier by force as well, a fallout of Roman barbaric big lie politics, for that is all now left of its so called glorious past !
Thankfully people are beating back the propaganda and talking about things. That is always a good sign world over! For a better future for our descendants!
You must have understood or experienced Christianity wrongly Being Christian means fellowship with Christ Or fellowship with the almighty And you have all the freedom within that relationship Just as in any other relationship Say with a friend ; you cannot cross him at your will , and still continue to claim you are his friend Something similar You cannot compromise Sin and God Live in your own fanciful ways and still claim God is a friend That is what hypocrites do Ofcourse when we go wrong at times one can ask his forgiveness and get back into track
It is already spoiled the country by spreading back word people uneducated people r converting they by giving money. All laws r present in India so called democracy r against Hindus.
According to Hinduism, Jesus might be an enlightened person but that is not exclusive. We have many enlightened person in India. Buddha, Mahavir and none of them are Gods. Every enlightened Rishi can be considered Gods. In India, believing is never the case. Getting enlightenment and achieving liberation is the objective. The real debate between Hindus and Buddhists idea of supreme intellect is 'Brahman', The consciousness of the universe. I think people are not getting Hinduism. The only similarility between abrahamic faiths and Hindus is the Bhakti movement. Only Bhakti Yoga is similar to Christianity where we surrender to Krishna or Shiva or Hanuman. However, even there you need to practise it everyday and not just believe it. Just believing won't do anything. That;s the main difference. Christianity calls for believing in Jesus and Islam for believing in Allah and that alone can lead to salvation or heaven. Even in Bhakti Yoga, just beliving in Krishna won't lead you to heaven. However, Bhakti yoga is a later development in Hinduism. Hindus were primarily Sanathan Dharma and a rishi culture. To feel God and not to believe God.
Even Bhakti yoga in hinduism isn't similar to surrendering/devotion in xtianity or Islam... Bhakti yoga has its own set of practices and methodologies to be practised regularly in order to achieve enlightment or awake the kundalini... while islam and christianity just asks to pray! praying isn't equivalent to bhakti..
according to anwar shaikh ,( converted to hinduism from being a champion of islam , killing sikh father and son in punjab during partition ,) in islam belief in allah is optional ,but belief in mohammad is compulsary . allah prays to mohammad for peace . mohammad is superior to allah . in hinduism humans prays to ishwar ,but in islam allah prays to mohammad .
Are you out of your mind saying "according to Hinduism, Jesus might be an enlightened person". To me that does not apply at all. I do not even think of Jesus.
India Inspires at last makes well researched presentations with professional Production value and studio quality.We must download these videos and screen them for our children and youth- using Laptop and Projectors.Regarding our beloved Dr Koenraad Elst, this lecture is most concise. One thing about 'Resurrection' is it has many Holes in the narrative- the timing of crucifixion is contradictory in the books of NT. Sanhedrin never meets at night- but Jesus is decided to be handed over to Roman authority at a night meeting of Sanhadrin. The custom of Exchange of Convicts- Jesus ben yosef with Barnabas- ( a meaningless name Bar Abbas= son of father! ) is impossible as no such Custom is historically documented. Finally, the entire event is missing in Roman chronicles of the times. What makes the case for Jesus story as made up- is that none of Contemporary Historians had mentioned him or his supposed earth shaking events of his ministry. Koenraad Elst says its Blasphemy in Judaism to associate a mortal or affix a Begotten Son to Yahweh- but very Common or normative of Paganism- the Hellenian Polytheism. If we add these two together-with fact central ideas were obtained from a Roman Saul of Taursus later known as Paul- who hails from Mystery Cult center of Taursus - (Appollonius son of God apollo, Taurobolium- of Serpahis) - its clearly a Pre Fabricated Myth Mime to set up a Jewish Messiah in Hellenian Pagan in Hellenist Pagan mould to destroy Judaism. Events after supposed Crucifixion and apocalyptic works can be seen as unrelated and generic to Messianic Cults that got dispersed after Bar Kocba and sack of Jerusalem. Jesus = Jo Zeus- Father Jo Jupiter and Son Zeus= Jesus. A Mythological roman cult god.
millions of Buddha million of Gandhi million of Dali Lama walked this planet likewise Jesus wasn't the first Christ not is he or would be the last Christ we are all potential Christ's and Buddha
When you reach Nirvana give us your enlightened thoughts. When you have died for the world's sins give us your thoughts. Until then be happy with your uneventful life.
Miss Mithchell an adolescent. Poor education no father and mummy does all for it. The kid who got a BatMan cloak and still jumps off the sofa. Boring little Miss Mitchel people like it lead quiet ordinary lives they go to the grave with song still in them.
My friend Jesus interpreted the Torah spiritually. No mean feat. God's wisdom brought into good Karma. Jesus was a Jew with an Indic outlook. A good and wise philosopher. A judge of all men's Karma.
Jesus never existed..the gospels are written based on homer's epic 'the odessy' here is the proof and this is the reason why people are leaving Christianity in the west.. Whats in a name euclia ua-cam.com/video/nJAcX_K5YA4/v-deo.html the word yeshua (jesus) means Yahweh saves..so its clearly a created character..the belief in Jesus began with gnostic Christianity..these gnostics believed in a heavenly jesus who never came to earth... later some started preaching that jesus actually came to earth...thats how the gospels were written...
According to Semitic religion Human sacrifice required by God-God created Adam and eve. God told them not to eat a fruit from a tree which is in the center of the Garden Bible says a Satan appear in front of Eve and advice eve to eat the fruit of knowledge so that they get wisdom. Before eating the fruit they were not aware that they are naked. After eating the fruit they understand they were naked. That indicate that before eating the fruit they are like ape not even understand their nakedness. After eating fruit their brain developed to become human. That mean so called Bible God don’t like the human elevation, This story indicate that So called Satan in the Bible is real Devine power ,because he wanted human to elevate and get wisdom. According to Hinduism (SREE NARAYANA GURU AND OTHER RISHIS) God is one but crores of feminine and male divine powers. There are positive and negative powers. But one should not worship the negative power-If some power required animal or human sacrifice that power is negative according to SREE NARAYANA GURU AND HINDU RISHIS. Do not worship such power .If you worship such power that will help you in some extend, but that power ultimately required devotee blood also .That is the reason all semantic religion is violent. Bible story indicate that they are worshipping satanic power. Because so called God appear in front of Abraham and asking him to sacrifice his son to Bible God .Later he told to sacrifice Goat. In one small disobedience he put entire human to sin. Later he send his son JESUS to earth to sacrifices him to God that indicate Bible God drinking the blood of his own son. Even ferocious animal is not eating its own cubs. JESUS teaching also not acceptable to a sane man in LAST SUPPER he teach his discipline to eat bread as his flesh and drink wine as his blood. Some will think that Hindu Devi like kali is negative force .KALI IS KILLING ONLY DEMONS negative force not her devote or poor animal. This all indicate that Christians are worshipping a blood drinking demon .If JESUS clean the sin of Christians, why Christian did created all world war. In Europe and America why did they killed most of native people and black people? Why did they killed 50 lakhs JEWS elsewhere .Even under Mar papa Rome Lakhs of Jews killed .According to semantic religion When sematic religion enjoy( during their festival ), entire animals, birds and fish are crying If God created everything for Human enjoyment ,why some animals are eating man ? Asked SREE NARAYANA GURU. Why Bacteria and virus killing human? If Idol worship is wrong why Muslims are bowing down to Ka’ba 5 times a day? If polytheism is wrong why Muslims are calling in every prayer Allahu, Rasoolulla and Satan Christians are saying one God .Then why they are worshipping ST Mary , St George St Francis, and more than 100 so in India Watch the web www.evil bible .com to learn more about bible ferocious and terrorist GOD
That is common in your culture gill. Hinduis is a an ORGY. "Brahma created Saraswati, he immediately fell in love with her, and she evaded him by going in different directions, but he sprouted a head in each of the four directions until finally she went above him and he grew a fifth head pointed up toward Devaloka." "Pragâpati [Brahma] conceived a passion for his own daughter... 'May I pair with her!' thus (thinking) he united with her. This, assuredly, was a sin in the eyes of the gods. 'He who acts thus towards his own daughter, our sister, [commits a sin],' they thought. The gods then said to this god who rules over the beasts (Rudra), 'This one, surely, commits a sin who acts thus towards his own daughter, our sister. Pierce him!' Rudra [i.e. Shiva], taking aim, pierced him." God Shiva had two wives-Ganga and Parwati. It was while Shiva was frolicking and making love with Parwati in the forest in the form of elephants that Ganapati, the god with the head of an elephant was born. On another occasion when Shiva was frolicking with Parwati in the form of a monkey, Hanuman the monkey god was born. Once when Parwati was away, Shiva had sexual inter course with a woman called Madhura, who came to Kailas to worship him. On her return, Parwati saw her husband Shiva making love with Madhura, and she became a frog. When the period of the curse was over after twelve years, the frog took the form of Mandodari who became the wife of Ravana, the ten-headed king of Lanka. The sperm of Shiva which remained dormant in the womb of Mandodari when the was frog began to develop, and finally gave birth to Indrajit. Thus, the so-called son of Ravana-Indrajit of Lanka-was an intelligence son of Shiva. On another occasion Indra could not control his sexual passion when he saw Goutama’s wife Ahalya. He committed adultery with Ahalya when her husband was away. On his return home Goutama saw Indra in sexual interlock with his wife. Goutama cursed both of them. Once Aruna visited Devaloka in the disguise of a woman. When Indra saw this woman in disguise he could not control his passion. He had sexual intercourse with this imitation woman. Bali was born as the result of this un-natural homosexual cohabitation.
A pastor happened to meet me and my friends and was behind us to convert us by telling great mysteries of Jesus. We asked the following unanswered mystery of 2000 plus years 😄 Who is this Jesus? Is Jesus God himself? Or Is Jesus Son of God ? OR is he both God and Son himself ? Or Is he neither God nor son of God? So, pastor scratched his for few weeks and told us he would find the answers and never came back after that 😂😂 Any followers if you find the answer, please let us know 😄😄. Iam still ready for conversion 🙂😃
To defend Hinduism, you don’t have to trash Christianity and Jesus. Jesus or Rama or Krishna, all religious figures are based on myths and beliefs. You can choose to believe it or not but it’s not a competition. Swami Vivekanada said it best that all religions can lead to the truth. The truth is God and Brahman. The biblical Jesus taught love, reconciliation and forgiveness. Irrespective of the actual acts of Christian, there is great beauty and truth in those teachings
There is, of course, the Saint Thomas (Orthodox) Christians of India; yes, from that time of Apostle Thomas. He was martyred by sword in the Asian Subcontinent.
@@sdatta7754 Granted, this is not a scholarly source; good archaeology nonetheless | www.thetourexpert.com/worldwide-places-of-interest/where-are-the-12-apostles-buried.
is hindu belief of immortality same as heaven of Christians'? is sh.elst saying so? he also says, "lead me to immortality" formulates christian belief. around 8:14
+Priya P for Hindus moksha is ultimate - freedom from life and death - beyond heaven and hell, breaking that cycle of samsara. To be free of fear and insecurity while being alive and in this world. Knowing oneself as complete, poorNam. While immortality in Xianity - is living forever with God/ Jesus...in heaven. Why a male god? How is this god so limited that HE can be accommodated in a limited heaven! Where is this heaven? brahman for Hindus is all encompassing, bigger than the biggest, hence accommodating Time and Place/ Space too...thus as Pujya Swami Dayananda Saraswati ji says - we do not have one God or many Gods but ONLY GO - ie there is nothing BUT God. Both the creator and creation being the same. So there is no immortality to gun for, nothing to achieve out there but what we need is removing of our ignorance of our true nature, this assumption that we are suffering or are 'sinners', to appreciate the reality of our completeness and wholeness
+Priya P Priya he is referring to the proselytizers who are trying to highlight this idea to sell Jesus in India. The idea of Christian heaven, is a real, physical place where one goes to after death. The Hindu idea of heaven and hell, is where Jeevatma experiences in different bodies. But once it realizes the fallacy of this cyclic never ending process, one breaks this samsaric cycle of misery, which is called as moksha. One does not go anywhere. It can happen NOW, in our own lives, no matter where we are.
Jesus worked with Karma. The Spiritual affecting our actions of good or bad. Hindu recognise bad Karma and accept it but don't judge evil. That is the weakness of Hinduism as it is not effective.
@@shubhampandi9561 of course Jesus was a scholar and brought a philosophy which is a good Karma. Thoughts or wisdom of God expressed in actions. God is good Karma but a Spirit mind, Adam was made in his image but lacked experience. Jesus was the revealed image of God, and was our example of good Karma, and he is our judge of our Karma by our actions which betray our minds. This way of thinking and action is ancient and before Abraham, as it was the priesthood of Melchisedec about 4000 years ago and probably the source for Hinduism etc. Jews need to add good Karma to life, and Hindus need to add judgement to theirs, and become one in Christ.
@@simonskinner1450 don't be that much fool there was no karma in Christianity until they found that their is something called karma in Hindu scriptures and they found out that karma is universal philosophy nobody can't deny it , so they started interpretation how to digest this philosophy so they can convert other religious people and also there is no parallel word for karma in any of the language and never ever compare your pathetic religion to our Dharma
@@shubhampandi9561 Sir. I am complimenting your religion that it has such a concept. But it already existed as a concept before Abraham and was with the Creator from the beginning. God is wisdom and so is Karma. The biggest difference is time which was created by God to test out his wisdom. We are players in that and time is linear. One life which we have the opportunity of eternity with God. Good Karma is righteousness and bad Karma is unrighteousness and sin, as it is against others in some way. So-called 'Christianity' is the search for good thinking which is in Old Testament Scripture and why Jews are so clever materially, but they lack spirituality as Jesus told them in John 6, but many walked away as he offered them only a good morality not an Empire. Karma has meaning that Jesus got from the Old Testament like love your neighbour, which is not uncommon in ancient philosophies. RCC is pagan but purists who follow Jesus do connect well with Hindus, Sikhs and Buddhists as the gospels are about like minded thinking shown in godliness or God likeness. Maybe you should research the Old Testament and you will find Nationalism and outgoing influencing that Hinduism has lacked. If Hinduism had insisted on good Karma they would have resisted Islam better in the past. Modi is acting more like a 'Christian' don't you think?
To know Christianity one should know Christ And to know a person one has to take some pains Read the bible and understand his core message New Testament Simply talking nonsense from far will not do For those who are pre disposed to such kind of talk it may seem music to their ears
80% of the Indians were living dead bearing the cross of caste And many still are And it is interaction with Christianity that finally delivered them from such bondage Christs fundamental teaching are that all men are created equal in the eyes of God And one has to love thy neighbour as you love yourself
I'll tell you the answer Thomas the doubter, Jesus is acceptable to all...but the first heretic so called Saint Paul the Jew rowdy ruined John the Baptist and Jesus reform movement completely. Jesus is good, church is evil...
I have understood you know nothing of Christianity What has St Paul got to do with John the Baptist ? You are blabbering some nonsense But act like you know the answer to everything and clear the doubts of all doubters As far as your point regarding the Church and Christ You may have something there The Church is only made up of a collection of human beings And they may be frail and are not infallible The answer is one has to look only at Christ and try sincerely to follow him ie all And finally there is no intention or need to destroy anything Being a good Hindu anybody can be a good Christian too " After all Christ fundamental and Core teaching is "Love your God above all else and Love your neighbour as you love yourself." One need not convert to Christianity to do that Anybody can Wishing you the best Bye
The description of personal experiences of Jesus by Mr Elst are not first hand experiences but negative reflection from the outside of others . He cannot then with the same concept know a religious experience of Hinduism. Mr Elst has his second hand stories derived from a shallow experience and with no commitment to the Gospels and Christ. What has Mr Elst achieved?
when mr elst talks about jesus or the religion people attribute to him it comes with substance. he substantiates it. just place this guy in the contemporary times and what we see is a several so called holy men we find in india in every street. they claim to be performing miracles,cure people ,predict things yet hindus with learning do not follow them. ( may be some do for monetary or political gains, nothing more). hinduism is not about sins. heaven earth , redemption and other non sense. it is knowing the self. and that knowledge which show the path is considered the supreme after which there is nothing left to accomplish. all the so called miracles christianity claims is full of deceit and treachery to attract innocent people and thus gain political power. read your own vatican's history. it is full of these deceits and treachery. christianity uses GOD's name to gain political power. that is why you sell christ. the same way you sell a toilet soap
The "substance " of it has to be demonstrated. It is not , since he cannot state all the references prior to Jesus coming prophesied in Isaiah and more. One could put forward the assumptions made in your statement " or the religion people attribute to him" as evidence you have no idea what you are waffling on about. I could claim similar absurdities Krishna and the religion attributed to him. As to substance first educate yourself on Christianity and Jesus . Mr Est is no expert on the Bible or Jesus. He is also no expert on Hinduism since he has himself only an external cultural knowledge of it and has no spiritual actual inner experience .
prof elst would not have referred to jesus if he had NOT studied jesus. this man is a historian. and he cited with examples how jesus got a larger than life image by people around him. this happens in india too. sanathana dharma(hinduism) is not about sri krishna. the core argument is about the philosophy of christianity. it is hollow. and will remain hollow. that is why the christian thieves led by your pope are trying to steal ideas from hindusim and incorporating in that cult you call christianity.
An absolute skewed view in which Dr.Elst has misunderstood christianity in his own way. He tells where and who had seen this stories that had happened. The things that were seen and felt by his disciples made them to lay their lives for Jesus. Dr.Elst argues as if he had been in real experience of seeing all the other epics in Hinduism with his own eyes. The New Living Translation says like this We proclaim to you the one who existed from the beginning, whom we have heard and seen. We saw him with our own eyes and touched him with our own hands. He is the Word of life. I John 1:1 The experiences of the disciples were shared as gospels.If Dr.Elst believes that they are fables then so be it.
Sin , jesus blood, resurrection, cleans sins, sin sin sin. nothing but sin and its cleansing. like a bathing soap advt. use only my soap to clean yourself
who cares what the new testament says. most of the christians in india chose the religion not because they love chist . it is because they hate hindus.
This guy does not know what the hell he is talking about. All the religions are created by human based on certain faiths/belief but not facts. There are several stories in all the holy books. If you want to believe in any of them, go ahead. Don't waste your time thinking seriously about this. We all know that Jesus was born as a jew, lived as a jew and died as a jew. He was just trying to reform a religion and not to form one.
+George Cherian That is exactly where you are wrong. Religion per se or an organized group based on a faith cannot define Hinduism and thus cannot be seen to be in the same domain as the Abrahamic religions. Until the advent of the Abrahamic religions to the Indian subcontinent or some of Hinduisms later off shoots, Hinduism was not a faith/religion, but a set of principles by which people were expected to live and worship. The Abrahamic holy books have some seriously logic and reason defying stories and so do some holy books of Hinduism, but there are a lot many books in Hinduism which would instruct you to live a fruitful and complete life. So please check the premise of religion before calling Hinduism one.
+Shourie Bannai Why you are calling them "holy" books? What is 'holy' about them? You cannot compare religions, including Atheism, They all are based on faiths. Hinduism is not even a religion, British put all these different worships (Shiva, Vishnue etc) together in the first census of India on 1829 and called them "Hindues".
+George Cherian I sincerely hope before I discuss anything further with you, I would like to ask you if you really know all the Hindu schools of worship or thoughts. And just because Hinduism was a "name" given to a practice by the British doesn't mean its presence can be ruled out. Hinduism existed and entertained many schools of thought and wasn't as monolithic and barbaric like the other Abrahimc religions.
Never mind Christianity could the learned "professor" Elst please verify Hindu Gods? Hindu Gods just a few of their stories. "Brahma created Saraswati, he immediately fell in love with her, and she evaded him by going in different directions, but he sprouted a head in each of the four directions until finally she went above him and he grew a fifth head pointed up toward Devaloka." "Pragâpati [Brahma] conceived a passion for his own daughter... 'May I pair with her!' thus (thinking) he united with her. This, assuredly, was a sin in the eyes of the gods. 'He who acts thus towards his own daughter, our sister, [commits a sin],' they thought. The gods then said to this god who rules over the beasts (Rudra), 'This one, surely, commits a sin who acts thus towards his own daughter, our sister. Pierce him!' Rudra [i.e. Shiva], taking aim, pierced him." God Shiva had two wives-Ganga and Parwati. It was while Shiva was frolicking and making love with Parwati in the forest in the form of elephants that Ganapati, the god with the head of an elephant was born. On another occasion when Shiva was frolicking with Parwati in the form of a monkey, Hanuman the monkey god was born. Once when Parwati was away, Shiva had sexual inter course with a woman called Madhura, who came to Kailas to worship him. On her return, Parwati saw her husband Shiva making love with Madhura, and she became a frog. When the period of the curse was over after twelve years, the frog took the form of Mandodari who became the wife of Ravana, the ten-headed king of Lanka. The sperm of Shiva which remained dormant in the womb of Mandodari when the was frog began to develop, and finally gave birth to Indrajit. Thus, the so-called son of Ravana-Indrajit of Lanka-was an intelligence son of Shiva. On another occasion Indra could not control his sexual passion when he saw Goutama’s wife Ahalya. He committed adultery with Ahalya when her husband was away. On his return home Goutama saw Indra in sexual interlock with his wife. Goutama cursed both of them. Once Aruna visited Devaloka in the disguise of a woman. When Indra saw this woman in disguise he could not control his passion. He had sexual intercourse with this imitation woman. Bali was born as the result of this un-natural homosexual cohabitation.
They are myths which no one believes.Bramha is not the real god. God is BRAMHAN .he is formless and cannot be described or perceived by senses.You can only experience him.All the myths and stories you may or may not believe.
saraswati is bharma's daughter. arjun was indra's son he never went to heaven as woman . i will not verify your tweet further cause anyone can see it's all wrong
Dr Koenraad Elst.. Please DO NOT say anything unless you are sure of it. You are making all assumptions...You have said "May be" way too many times ...You are talking about "possibilities" because you are just not sure of what you are talking about in the first place, As a matter of fact you are under hallucination. I pray that God opens your Spiritual eyes... Asathoma Satgamaya- May Lord Jesus lead you to truth. Thamasoma Jyotirgamaya- May God deliver you out of spiritual darkness and lead you in the right way. Mruthyorma Amrutham Gamaya - May you find Everlasting life in Jesus. Thats why Jesus says- " I am the way , the Truth and Life. No one can reach the Heavenly Father except through me" God Bless You.
Why you use Sanskrit mantra and drag in Jesus in middle. Its you who are confused and misguided. Jesus was not even born during the time that Vedic culture was flourishing. In fact if you are Indian you should feel proud of your Vedic heritage and not have slavish fetish for western religion of commercialism. No sensible educated Westerner follows Christianity.
Got nothing to do with him being Westerner. Its just amazing that he has got the knowledge and committment for Hinduism that Indians like yourselves don't have. Its you guys who are obsessed about copying Westerners and so convert to Christianity and then promptly try to portray Christ as some sort of Indian messiah with slokas etc. in the Hindu style. MORONS.
Dr Koenraad Elst is happy to fan the flames of Hindu fundamentalism and superiority. He receives applause and wallows in the adulation from xenophobic Hindu Indians. This has at it's worst encouraged acts of violence toward non Hindus. In this respect Dr Koenraad Elst is a paradox of a Hinduism, a proselytized fanatic that pushes not enlightenment but self aggrandisement.
Koenraad Elst a type of junkie admits to drug use. " When I was first initiated into Kriya Yoga by Swami Hariharananda and his Dutch assistant in Amsterdam, more than thirty years ago, I was actually in Amsterdam to buy drugs" "Thirty or more years ago, I have taken LSD trips about a dozen times and two mescaline trips. Like a few friends, but unlike most contemporaries, I saw these psychedelics as a spiritual way rather than as a form of recreation. Nowadays, the accepted term would be “Shamanism”, a Siberian-cum-Amerindian tradition involving vision quests and journeys in the spirit world. " Can drug use get one enlightened? "Let me clarify first of all that I am not inclined to moralize about this. Those people and their motives are so recognizable to me. I am one of them, thirty years down the line." The experience Elst on drugs become morphed into Hinduism. The drug culture produced a type of "Hindu convert" not typical of a learned Hindu with an orthodox hindu education. It is telling that Elst had no Christian background at all.
Elst drug expert. "So, with a little exaggeration: before the Brahmins, heirs of the Vedic seers, became dry scholars, they were tripping poets getting high on soma juice and composing drinking carols now known as Vedic hymns. A remnant of it is what I witnessed when I stayed at Banaras Hindu University during the Night of Shiva (Śivarātrī, an annual festival): very scholarly professors getting high on bhaṅg, a cannabis brew." "Patañjali didn’t want to go as far as to categorically forbid intoxicants. He also admitted that taking drugs is one of the ways to attain siddhis, “achievements”, i.e. special powers. Especially clairvoyance is said to be an effect of the mental state conferred by plant teachers. But then, these siddhis only detract from the real goal of yoga. Till today, you can see some Sadhus smoking their chillums full of marihuana. " According to the "professor" everybody must get stoned.
"professor Elst " "Ken Kesey, the writer of One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest as well as an LSD pioneer, was arrested after the state of California outlawed the use of LSD. According to Tom Wolfe, who wrote a book about Kesey’s exploits (The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test), he was allowed to shorten his incarceration in exchange for giving a speech on TV explaining to his followers why the LSD experiment had lasted long enough. He said that LSD had functioned as a door, an exit from the highly conditioned existence in bourgeois society. But once you have opened the door, you don’t stay there to play with it. You go in. And so, he told his audience, it is time to leave the door behind, to throw away the ladder that brought us up, and to go beyond. Well, if he didn’t say that, at least he should have said it. I am at any rate willing to repeat it."
I was born a Roman Catholic and was devout late into my twenties! But when I encountered Bertrand Russell's ' Why I'm not a Christian' was shocking indeed!
God's only begotten son was murdered on the orders of god his father because Adam ate an Apple did it for me!
Very lucid presentation of the origins of Christ & Christianity. Thanks.
To be lucid he would have to know Christianity. He does not. Perhaps I will call on a Dutch atheist to give me a very good lucid origins of Hinduism,
@Kim, But isn't it exactly what you westerners have been doing for centuries now for hinduism, instead of learning from hindus u distorted hindu texts and made evil theories to serve ur evangelical agendas and now accusing us of foul play, Hypocrisy? Double standards?
I am not a westerner. Are you even an authority on Hinduism?
Kim Breadon what If I say yes?
What if? A problematic presupposition on your part . Authority is demonstrable . Evidence of academic or spiritual background with accredited sources should be posted . That and the ability to express it here.
Awesome! Nehru & his dynasty did great harm to this great culture & nation.
Imagine a world where christianity and islam don't destroy the world
In the absence of these two destructive cults, something else would have probably come into existence to create agony for all.
@@svc2461 that is mere speculation
@@svc2461 I agree....some other form of destruction would definitely exist to maintain the balance of life and death.
I live in America and I hope India will not become poisoned by Christianity. It will totally change a person's nature, and not for the better. It is a source of pain and anguish and false hopes and mental illness. It is not a solution to any problem. It has made my life far worse. Once you start bringing it into your mind, it is almost impossible to un-do.
No to worry. Despite under the British rule for nearly 150 years and billions of dollars spent on proselytizing Christians form 3% of the population. Muslims same. Hinduism is like the grass which is never blown away even by powerful tornados nor washed away by floods and survives any drought. So, as Hindus, we are not worried.
It is a mass hypnotic spell administered by fear, earlier by force as well, a fallout of Roman barbaric big lie politics, for that is all now left of its so called glorious past !
Thankfully people are beating back the propaganda and talking about things. That is always a good sign world over! For a better future for our descendants!
You must have understood or experienced Christianity wrongly
Being Christian means fellowship with Christ
Or fellowship with the almighty
And you have all the freedom within that relationship
Just as in any other relationship
Say with a friend ; you cannot cross him at your will , and still continue to claim you are his friend
Something similar
You cannot compromise Sin and God
Live in your own fanciful ways and still claim God is a friend
That is what hypocrites do
Ofcourse when we go wrong at times one can ask his forgiveness and get back into track
It is already spoiled the country by spreading back word people uneducated people r converting they by giving money. All laws r present in India so called democracy r against Hindus.
According to Hinduism, Jesus might be an enlightened person but that is not exclusive. We have many enlightened person in India. Buddha, Mahavir and none of them are Gods. Every enlightened Rishi can be considered Gods. In India, believing is never the case. Getting enlightenment and achieving liberation is the objective. The real debate between Hindus and Buddhists idea of supreme intellect is 'Brahman', The consciousness of the universe. I think people are not getting Hinduism. The only similarility between abrahamic faiths and Hindus is the Bhakti movement. Only Bhakti Yoga is similar to Christianity where we surrender to Krishna or Shiva or Hanuman. However, even there you need to practise it everyday and not just believe it. Just believing won't do anything. That;s the main difference. Christianity calls for believing in Jesus and Islam for believing in Allah and that alone can lead to salvation or heaven. Even in Bhakti Yoga, just beliving in Krishna won't lead you to heaven. However, Bhakti yoga is a later development in Hinduism. Hindus were primarily Sanathan Dharma and a rishi culture. To feel God and not to believe God.
sanch Sanchayan no let's leave Hinduism out of this. Xtianity doesn't even come close. by vedic standards Jesus was a peon.
Even Bhakti yoga in hinduism isn't similar to surrendering/devotion in xtianity or Islam... Bhakti yoga has its own set of practices and methodologies to be practised regularly in order to achieve enlightment or awake the kundalini...
while islam and christianity just asks to pray! praying isn't equivalent to bhakti..
according to anwar shaikh ,( converted to hinduism from being a champion of islam , killing sikh father and son in punjab during partition ,) in islam belief in allah is optional ,but belief in mohammad is compulsary . allah prays to mohammad for peace . mohammad is superior to allah . in hinduism humans prays to ishwar ,but in islam allah prays to mohammad .
Bohot acha bola aap......
Are you out of your mind saying "according to Hinduism, Jesus might be an enlightened person". To me that does not apply at all. I do not even think of Jesus.
India Inspires at last makes well researched presentations with professional Production value and studio quality.We must download these videos and screen them for our children and youth- using Laptop and Projectors.Regarding our beloved Dr Koenraad Elst, this lecture is most concise. One thing about 'Resurrection' is it has many Holes in the narrative- the timing of crucifixion is contradictory in the books of NT. Sanhedrin never meets at night- but Jesus is decided to be handed over to Roman authority at a night meeting of Sanhadrin. The custom of Exchange of Convicts- Jesus ben yosef with Barnabas- ( a meaningless name Bar Abbas= son of father! ) is impossible as no such Custom is historically documented. Finally, the entire event is missing in Roman chronicles of the times. What makes the case for Jesus story as made up- is that none of Contemporary Historians had mentioned him or his supposed earth shaking events of his ministry. Koenraad Elst says its Blasphemy in Judaism to associate a mortal or affix a Begotten Son to Yahweh- but very Common or normative of Paganism- the Hellenian Polytheism. If we add these two together-with fact central ideas were obtained from a Roman Saul of Taursus later known as Paul- who hails from Mystery Cult center of Taursus - (Appollonius son of God apollo, Taurobolium- of Serpahis) - its clearly a Pre Fabricated Myth Mime to set up a Jewish Messiah in Hellenian Pagan in Hellenist Pagan mould to destroy Judaism. Events after supposed Crucifixion and apocalyptic works can be seen as unrelated and generic to Messianic Cults that got dispersed after Bar Kocba and sack of Jerusalem. Jesus = Jo Zeus- Father Jo Jupiter and Son Zeus= Jesus. A Mythological roman cult god.
Koenraad Sir my respects to you
HARE KRISHNA
please protect all cows
Thanks for telling the truth
Thank You
The guy's a fucking genius. Salute you sir!!!!
Very well analysed.
millions of Buddha million of Gandhi million of Dali Lama walked this planet
likewise Jesus wasn't the first Christ not is he or would be the last Christ we are all potential Christ's and Buddha
When you reach Nirvana give us your enlightened thoughts. When you have died for the world's sins give us your thoughts. Until then be happy with your uneventful life.
Kim Breadon Jesus turned water into wins without a licence that is moonshine he was nailed to cross for his crimes
Miss Mithchell an adolescent. Poor education no father and mummy does all for it. The kid who got a BatMan cloak and still jumps off the sofa. Boring little Miss Mitchel people like it lead quiet ordinary lives they go to the grave with song still in them.
Yogis and Rishis as well
This exactly is what Hinduism teaches !
🙏🏻
My friend Jesus interpreted the Torah spiritually. No mean feat. God's wisdom brought into good Karma. Jesus was a Jew with an Indic outlook. A good and wise philosopher. A judge of all men's Karma.
Jesus never existed..the gospels are written based on homer's epic 'the odessy' here is the proof and this is the reason why people are leaving Christianity in the west..
Whats in a name euclia
ua-cam.com/video/nJAcX_K5YA4/v-deo.html
the word yeshua (jesus) means Yahweh saves..so its clearly a created character..the belief in Jesus began with gnostic Christianity..these gnostics believed in a heavenly jesus who never came to earth... later some started preaching that jesus actually came to earth...thats how the gospels were written...
By any chance did even Prophet Muhammed had hallucinations due to hot and arid conditions in the desert?
According to Semitic religion Human sacrifice required by God-God created Adam and eve. God told them not to eat a fruit from a tree which is in the center of the Garden Bible says a Satan appear in front of Eve and advice eve to eat the fruit of knowledge so that they get wisdom. Before eating the fruit they were not aware that they are naked. After eating the fruit they understand they were naked. That indicate that before eating the fruit they are like ape not even understand their nakedness. After eating fruit their brain developed to become human. That mean so called Bible God don’t like the human elevation, This story indicate that So called Satan in the Bible is real Devine power ,because he wanted human to elevate and get wisdom.
According to Hinduism (SREE NARAYANA GURU AND OTHER RISHIS) God is one but crores of feminine and male divine powers. There are positive and negative powers. But one should not worship the negative power-If some power required animal or human sacrifice that power is negative according to SREE NARAYANA GURU AND HINDU RISHIS. Do not worship such power .If you worship such power that will help you in some extend, but that power ultimately required devotee blood also .That is the reason all semantic religion is violent.
Bible story indicate that they are worshipping satanic power. Because so called God appear in front of Abraham and asking him to sacrifice his son to Bible God .Later he told to sacrifice Goat. In one small disobedience he put entire human to sin. Later he send his son JESUS to earth to sacrifices him to God that indicate Bible God drinking the blood of his own son. Even ferocious animal is not eating its own cubs. JESUS teaching also not acceptable to a sane man in LAST SUPPER he teach his discipline to eat bread as his flesh and drink wine as his blood. Some will think that Hindu Devi like kali is negative force .KALI IS KILLING ONLY DEMONS negative force not her devote or poor animal. This all indicate that Christians are worshipping a blood drinking demon .If JESUS clean the sin of Christians, why Christian did created all world war. In Europe and America why did they killed most of native people and black people? Why did they killed 50 lakhs JEWS elsewhere .Even under Mar papa Rome Lakhs of Jews killed .According to semantic religion When sematic religion enjoy( during their festival ), entire animals, birds and fish are crying If God created everything for Human enjoyment ,why some animals are eating man ? Asked SREE NARAYANA GURU. Why Bacteria and virus killing human? If Idol worship is wrong why Muslims are bowing down to Ka’ba 5 times a day? If polytheism is wrong why Muslims are calling in every prayer Allahu, Rasoolulla and Satan Christians are saying one God .Then why they are worshipping ST Mary , St George St Francis, and more than 100 so in India
Watch the web www.evil bible .com to learn more about bible ferocious and terrorist GOD
Remeshan 11 so in other words god was advocating incest.
That is common in your culture gill. Hinduis is a an ORGY.
"Brahma created Saraswati, he immediately fell in love with her, and she evaded him by going in different directions, but he sprouted a head in each of the four directions until finally she went above him and he grew a fifth head pointed up toward Devaloka."
"Pragâpati [Brahma] conceived a passion for his own daughter... 'May I pair with her!' thus (thinking) he united with her. This, assuredly, was a sin in the eyes of the gods. 'He who acts thus towards his own daughter, our sister, [commits a sin],' they thought. The gods then said to this god who rules over the beasts (Rudra), 'This one, surely, commits a sin who acts thus towards his own daughter, our sister. Pierce him!' Rudra [i.e. Shiva], taking aim, pierced him."
God Shiva had two wives-Ganga and Parwati. It was while Shiva was frolicking and making love with Parwati in the forest in the form of elephants that Ganapati, the god with the head of an elephant was born. On another occasion when Shiva was frolicking with Parwati in the form of a monkey, Hanuman the monkey god was born.
Once when Parwati was away, Shiva had sexual inter course with a woman called Madhura, who came to Kailas to worship him. On her return, Parwati saw her husband Shiva making love with Madhura, and she became a frog. When the period of the curse was over after twelve years, the frog took the form of Mandodari who became the wife of Ravana, the ten-headed king of Lanka. The sperm of Shiva which remained dormant in the womb of Mandodari when the was frog began to develop, and finally gave birth to Indrajit. Thus, the so-called son of Ravana-Indrajit of Lanka-was an intelligence son of Shiva.
On another occasion Indra could not control his sexual passion when he saw Goutama’s wife Ahalya. He committed adultery with Ahalya when her husband was away. On his return home Goutama saw Indra in sexual interlock with his wife. Goutama cursed both of them.
Once Aruna visited Devaloka in the disguise of a woman. When Indra saw this woman in disguise he could not control his passion. He had sexual intercourse with this imitation woman. Bali was born as the result of this un-natural homosexual cohabitation.
@@jezzab5621 woah
. Tooo much...
Very good .
A pastor happened to meet me and my friends and was behind us to convert us by telling great mysteries of Jesus.
We asked the following unanswered mystery of 2000 plus years 😄
Who is this Jesus?
Is Jesus God himself?
Or
Is Jesus Son of God ?
OR
is he both God and Son himself ?
Or
Is he neither God nor son of God?
So, pastor scratched his for few weeks and told us he would find the answers and never came back after that 😂😂
Any followers if you find the answer, please let us know 😄😄. Iam still ready for conversion 🙂😃
Nice
To defend Hinduism, you don’t have to trash Christianity and Jesus. Jesus or Rama or Krishna, all religious figures are based on myths and beliefs. You can choose to believe it or not but it’s not a competition. Swami Vivekanada said it best that all religions can lead to the truth. The truth is God and Brahman. The biblical Jesus taught love, reconciliation and forgiveness. Irrespective of the actual acts of Christian, there is great beauty and truth in those teachings
Nicely explained by Dr Koenraad Elst,stay away from Christianity.
Please kindly throw light on all the abrahamic doctrines just focusing on one is of very little consequence
There is, of course, the Saint Thomas (Orthodox) Christians of India; yes, from that time of Apostle Thomas. He was martyred by sword in the Asian Subcontinent.
Even this too is a manufactured lie.
@@sdatta7754 Granted, this is not a scholarly source; good archaeology nonetheless | www.thetourexpert.com/worldwide-places-of-interest/where-are-the-12-apostles-buried.
Chrys George it’s myth and propaganda kindly check link:
indiafacts.org/the-myth-of-st-thomas-part-one/
Vatican has clearly stated that the said Thomas never traveled as far as India . It may have been some Thomas . After all , it is a very common name !
@@narayanprasad4008 Said, the *Orthodox Christian* denominations: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Thomas_Christians#Origin | with citation.
is hindu belief of immortality same as heaven of Christians'? is sh.elst saying so? he also says, "lead me to immortality" formulates christian belief. around 8:14
+Priya P for Hindus moksha is ultimate - freedom from life and death - beyond heaven and hell, breaking that cycle of samsara. To be free of fear and insecurity while being alive and in this world. Knowing oneself as complete, poorNam. While immortality in Xianity - is living forever with God/ Jesus...in heaven. Why a male god? How is this god so limited that HE can be accommodated in a limited heaven! Where is this heaven? brahman for Hindus is all encompassing, bigger than the biggest, hence accommodating Time and Place/ Space too...thus as Pujya Swami Dayananda Saraswati ji says - we do not have one God or many Gods but ONLY GO - ie there is nothing BUT God. Both the creator and creation being the same. So there is no immortality to gun for, nothing to achieve out there but what we need is removing of our ignorance of our true nature, this assumption that we are suffering or are 'sinners', to appreciate the reality of our completeness and wholeness
+Priya P Priya he is referring to the proselytizers who are trying to highlight this idea to sell Jesus in India. The idea of Christian heaven, is a real, physical place where one goes to after death. The Hindu idea of heaven and hell, is where Jeevatma experiences in different bodies. But once it realizes the fallacy of this cyclic never ending process, one breaks this samsaric cycle of misery, which is called as moksha. One does not go anywhere. It can happen NOW, in our own lives, no matter where we are.
There is no heaven or hell,can christains give the exact location of it?
@all @,Mizoram,and Tamil Nadu,these are not my word but a foreigner!
Can we have a public debate on this? I want to expose the fallacies
This is a public forum. Go ahead, expose the 'fallacies' right here. What's stopping you?
@@svc2461 What do you mean by a public forum?
41:43 Damnn😳
Gently unraveling Christianity thing.
Im married to a jehova witness 😂. 🙏
Excessive Fake Guru Worship in India. 😂
You don't have to approach any Guru,your own concessness can be your Guru! Understand your own body and thoughts!
B.O.R.I.N.G.
It's for the intellectual (boring in your view) types.
Takes patience. Not a virtue everyone harbours.
You don't know what you talking about.
Arvinda Kashan
Your rice bag knows
Objective analysis of Christianity.
Jesus worked with Karma. The Spiritual affecting our actions of good or bad. Hindu recognise bad Karma and accept it but don't judge evil. That is the weakness of Hinduism as it is not effective.
Christianity has nothing to do with karma it was pure Hindu concept copied by Abbrahamics
@@shubhampandi9561 of course Jesus was a scholar and brought a philosophy which is a good Karma. Thoughts or wisdom of God expressed in actions. God is good Karma but a Spirit mind, Adam was made in his image but lacked experience. Jesus was the revealed image of God, and was our example of good Karma, and he is our judge of our Karma by our actions which betray our minds.
This way of thinking and action is ancient and before Abraham, as it was the priesthood of Melchisedec about 4000 years ago and probably the source for Hinduism etc.
Jews need to add good Karma to life, and Hindus need to add judgement to theirs, and become one in Christ.
@@simonskinner1450 don't be that much fool there was no karma in Christianity until they found that their is something called karma in Hindu scriptures and they found out that karma is universal philosophy nobody can't deny it , so they started interpretation how to digest this philosophy so they can convert other religious people and also there is no parallel word for karma in any of the language and never ever compare your pathetic religion to our Dharma
@@simonskinner1450 time of liers are coming to an end
@@shubhampandi9561 Sir. I am complimenting your religion that it has such a concept. But it already existed as a concept before Abraham and was with the Creator from the beginning. God is wisdom and so is Karma. The biggest difference is time which was created by God to test out his wisdom. We are players in that and time is linear. One life which we have the opportunity of eternity with God. Good Karma is righteousness and bad Karma is unrighteousness and sin, as it is against others in some way.
So-called 'Christianity' is the search for good thinking which is in Old Testament Scripture and why Jews are so clever materially, but they lack spirituality as Jesus told them in John 6, but many walked away as he offered them only a good morality not an Empire.
Karma has meaning that Jesus got from the Old Testament like love your neighbour, which is not uncommon in ancient philosophies.
RCC is pagan but purists who follow Jesus do connect well with Hindus, Sikhs and Buddhists as the gospels are about like minded thinking shown in godliness or God likeness.
Maybe you should research the Old Testament and you will find Nationalism and outgoing influencing that Hinduism has lacked. If Hinduism had insisted on good Karma they would have resisted Islam better in the past. Modi is acting more like a 'Christian' don't you think?
To know Christianity one should know Christ
And to know a person one has to take some pains
Read the bible and understand his core message
New Testament
Simply talking nonsense from far will not do
For those who are pre disposed to such kind of talk it may seem music to their ears
Better to die on the cross than to be a Christian...
80% of the Indians were living dead bearing the cross of caste
And many still are
And it is interaction with Christianity that finally delivered them from such bondage
Christs fundamental teaching are that all men are created equal in the eyes of God
And one has to love thy neighbour as you love yourself
If that's so, then why you couldn't destroy caste system fully? Why you could eliminate Hinduism?
I'll tell you the answer Thomas the doubter, Jesus is acceptable to all...but the first heretic so called Saint Paul the Jew rowdy ruined John the Baptist and Jesus reform movement completely. Jesus is good, church is evil...
I have understood you know nothing of Christianity
What has St Paul got to do with John the Baptist ?
You are blabbering some nonsense
But act like you know the answer to everything and clear the doubts of all doubters
As far as your point regarding the Church and Christ
You may have something there
The Church is only made up of a collection of human beings
And they may be frail and are not infallible
The answer is one has to look only at Christ and try sincerely to follow him ie all
And finally there is no intention or need to destroy anything
Being a good Hindu anybody can be a good Christian too
" After all Christ fundamental and Core teaching is "Love your God above all else and Love your neighbour as you love yourself."
One need not convert to Christianity to do that
Anybody can
Wishing you the best
Bye
The description of personal experiences of Jesus by Mr Elst are not first hand experiences but negative reflection from the outside of others . He cannot then with the same concept know a religious experience of Hinduism. Mr Elst has his second hand stories derived from a shallow experience and with no commitment to the Gospels and Christ. What has Mr Elst achieved?
He has all our attention. he confirms that the philosophy of the christianity is hollow.
Nothing more hollow than a hindu like vemu.
when mr elst talks about jesus or the religion people attribute to him it comes with substance. he substantiates it. just place this guy in the contemporary times and what we see is a several so called holy men we find in india in every street. they claim to be performing miracles,cure people ,predict things yet hindus with learning do not follow them. ( may be some do for monetary or political gains, nothing more).
hinduism is not about sins. heaven earth , redemption and other non sense. it is knowing the self. and that knowledge which show the path is considered the supreme after which there is nothing left to accomplish.
all the so called miracles christianity claims is full of deceit and treachery to attract innocent people and thus gain political power. read your own vatican's history. it is full of these deceits and treachery. christianity uses GOD's name to gain political power. that is why you sell christ. the same way you sell a toilet soap
The "substance " of it has to be demonstrated. It is not , since he cannot state all the references prior to Jesus coming prophesied in Isaiah and more. One could put forward the assumptions made in your statement " or the religion people attribute to him" as evidence you have no idea what you are waffling on about. I could claim similar absurdities Krishna and the religion attributed to him.
As to substance first educate yourself on Christianity and Jesus . Mr Est is no expert on the Bible or Jesus. He is also no expert on Hinduism since he has himself only an external cultural knowledge of it and has no spiritual actual inner experience .
prof elst would not have referred to jesus if he had NOT studied jesus. this man is a historian. and he cited with examples how jesus got a larger than life image by people around him. this happens in india too. sanathana dharma(hinduism) is not about sri krishna. the core argument is about the philosophy of christianity. it is hollow. and will remain hollow. that is why the christian thieves led by your pope are trying to steal ideas from hindusim and incorporating in that cult you call christianity.
An absolute skewed view in which Dr.Elst has misunderstood christianity in his own way. He tells where and who had seen this stories that had happened. The things that were seen and felt by his disciples made them to lay their lives for Jesus. Dr.Elst argues as if he had been in real experience of seeing all the other epics in Hinduism with his own eyes.
The New Living Translation says like this
We proclaim to you the one who existed from the beginning, whom we have heard and seen. We saw him with our own eyes and touched him with our own hands. He is the Word of life.
I John 1:1
The experiences of the disciples were shared as gospels.If Dr.Elst believes that they are fables then so be it.
Joe Sneha end of the day Islam and Christianity are illegal occupiers in India forced
Judas betrayed Peter denied him
Thomas doubted him
Jesus wasn't the first nor would he be the final Christ we are all potential Christ's and Buddha
Sin , jesus blood, resurrection, cleans sins, sin sin sin. nothing but sin and its cleansing. like a bathing soap advt. use only my soap to clean yourself
who cares what the new testament says. most of the christians in india chose the religion not because they love chist . it is because they hate hindus.
This guy does not know what the hell he is talking about. All the religions are created by human based on certain faiths/belief but not facts. There are several stories in all the holy books. If you want to believe in any of them, go ahead. Don't waste your time thinking seriously about this. We all know that Jesus was born as a jew, lived as a jew and died as a jew. He was just trying to reform a religion and not to form one.
+George Cherian That is exactly where you are wrong. Religion per se or an organized group based on a faith cannot define Hinduism and thus cannot be seen to be in the same domain as the Abrahamic religions. Until the advent of the Abrahamic religions to the Indian subcontinent or some of Hinduisms later off shoots, Hinduism was not a faith/religion, but a set of principles by which people were expected to live and worship. The Abrahamic holy books have some seriously logic and reason defying stories and so do some holy books of Hinduism, but there are a lot many books in Hinduism which would instruct you to live a fruitful and complete life. So please check the premise of religion before calling Hinduism one.
+Shourie Bannai Why you are calling them "holy" books? What is 'holy' about them? You cannot compare religions, including Atheism, They all are based on faiths. Hinduism is not even a religion, British put all these different worships (Shiva, Vishnue etc) together in the first census of India on 1829 and called them "Hindues".
+George Cherian I sincerely hope before I discuss anything further with you, I would like to ask you if you really know all the Hindu schools of worship or thoughts. And just because Hinduism was a "name" given to a practice by the British doesn't mean its presence can be ruled out. Hinduism existed and entertained many schools of thought and wasn't as monolithic and barbaric like the other Abrahimc religions.
So the God does not know what he/she is talking about. Good enough for me and the God.
It is much better than your blabbering.
Never mind Christianity could the learned "professor" Elst please verify Hindu Gods?
Hindu Gods just a few of their stories.
"Brahma created Saraswati, he immediately fell in love with her, and she evaded him by going in different directions, but he sprouted a head in each of the four directions until finally she went above him and he grew a fifth head pointed up toward Devaloka."
"Pragâpati [Brahma] conceived a passion for his own daughter... 'May I pair with her!' thus (thinking) he united with her. This, assuredly, was a sin in the eyes of the gods. 'He who acts thus towards his own daughter, our sister, [commits a sin],' they thought. The gods then said to this god who rules over the beasts (Rudra), 'This one, surely, commits a sin who acts thus towards his own daughter, our sister. Pierce him!' Rudra [i.e. Shiva], taking aim, pierced him."
God Shiva had two wives-Ganga and Parwati. It was while Shiva was frolicking and making love with Parwati in the forest in the form of elephants that Ganapati, the god with the head of an elephant was born. On another occasion when Shiva was frolicking with Parwati in the form of a monkey, Hanuman the monkey god was born.
Once when Parwati was away, Shiva had sexual inter course with a woman called Madhura, who came to Kailas to worship him. On her return, Parwati saw her husband Shiva making love with Madhura, and she became a frog. When the period of the curse was over after twelve years, the frog took the form of Mandodari who became the wife of Ravana, the ten-headed king of Lanka. The sperm of Shiva which remained dormant in the womb of Mandodari when the was frog began to develop, and finally gave birth to Indrajit. Thus, the so-called son of Ravana-Indrajit of Lanka-was an intelligence son of Shiva.
On another occasion Indra could not control his sexual passion when he saw Goutama’s wife Ahalya. He committed adultery with Ahalya when her husband was away. On his return home Goutama saw Indra in sexual interlock with his wife. Goutama cursed both of them.
Once Aruna visited Devaloka in the disguise of a woman. When Indra saw this woman in disguise he could not control his passion. He had sexual intercourse with this imitation woman. Bali was born as the result of this un-natural homosexual cohabitation.
Kamel ks
No Hindu uses your obscene language. A low caste toilet cleaner may use your talk in jail. I see by the icon you are homosexiual.
They are myths which no one believes.Bramha is not the real god. God is BRAMHAN .he is formless and cannot be described or perceived by senses.You can only experience him.All the myths and stories you may or may not believe.
Had you read the Bible properly, at least you'd have learnt grammar and sentence formation. That verbal vomit was practically unreadable.
saraswati is bharma's daughter. arjun was indra's son he never went to heaven as woman . i will not verify your tweet further cause anyone can see it's all wrong
You are very desperate
Dr Koenraad Elst.. Please DO NOT say anything unless you are sure of it. You are making all assumptions...You have said "May be" way too many times ...You are talking about "possibilities" because you are just not sure of what you are talking about in the first place, As a matter of fact you are under hallucination. I pray that God opens your Spiritual eyes...
Asathoma Satgamaya- May Lord Jesus lead you to truth.
Thamasoma Jyotirgamaya- May God deliver you out of spiritual darkness and lead you in the right way.
Mruthyorma Amrutham Gamaya - May you find Everlasting life in Jesus.
Thats why Jesus says- " I am the way , the Truth and Life. No one can reach the Heavenly Father except through me"
God Bless You.
Bokkem kadu?
No. It is Truth.
Why you use Sanskrit mantra and drag in Jesus in middle. Its you who are confused and misguided. Jesus was not even born during the time that Vedic culture was flourishing. In fact if you are Indian you should feel proud of your Vedic heritage and not have slavish fetish for western religion of commercialism. No sensible educated Westerner follows Christianity.
You seem to be so fascinated about a westerner like Dr.Elst endorsing Hinduism
Got nothing to do with him being Westerner. Its just amazing that he has got the knowledge and committment for Hinduism that Indians like yourselves don't have. Its you guys who are obsessed about copying Westerners and so convert to Christianity and then promptly try to portray Christ as some sort of Indian messiah with slokas etc. in the Hindu style. MORONS.
He is mouthing words and he gets paid. Everyone has a right to do that.
Like every rice bag has
Dr Koenraad Elst is happy to fan the flames of Hindu fundamentalism and superiority. He receives applause and wallows in the adulation from xenophobic Hindu Indians. This has at it's worst encouraged acts of violence toward non Hindus. In this respect Dr Koenraad Elst is a paradox of a Hinduism, a proselytized fanatic that pushes not enlightenment but self aggrandisement.
Koenraad Elst a type of junkie admits to drug use.
" When I was first initiated into Kriya Yoga by Swami Hariharananda and his Dutch assistant in Amsterdam, more than thirty years ago, I was actually in Amsterdam to buy drugs"
"Thirty or more years ago, I have taken LSD trips about a dozen times and two mescaline trips. Like a few friends, but unlike most contemporaries, I saw these psychedelics as a spiritual way rather than as a form of recreation. Nowadays, the accepted term would be “Shamanism”, a Siberian-cum-Amerindian tradition involving vision quests and journeys in the spirit world. "
Can drug use get one enlightened?
"Let me clarify first of all that I am not inclined to moralize about this. Those people and their motives are so recognizable to me. I am one of them, thirty years down the line."
The experience Elst on drugs become morphed into Hinduism. The drug culture produced a type of "Hindu convert" not typical of a learned Hindu with an orthodox hindu education. It is telling that Elst had no Christian background at all.
Elst drug expert.
"So, with a little exaggeration: before the Brahmins, heirs of the Vedic seers, became dry scholars, they were tripping poets getting high on soma juice and composing drinking carols now known as Vedic hymns. A remnant of it is what I witnessed when I stayed at Banaras Hindu University during the Night of Shiva (Śivarātrī, an annual festival): very scholarly professors getting high on bhaṅg, a cannabis brew."
"Patañjali didn’t want to go as far as to categorically forbid intoxicants. He also admitted that taking drugs is one of the ways to attain siddhis, “achievements”, i.e. special powers. Especially clairvoyance is said to be an effect of the mental state conferred by plant teachers. But then, these siddhis only detract from the real goal of yoga.
Till today, you can see some Sadhus smoking their chillums full of marihuana. "
According to the "professor" everybody must get stoned.
"professor Elst "
"Ken Kesey, the writer of One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest as well as an LSD pioneer, was arrested after the state of California outlawed the use of LSD. According to Tom Wolfe, who wrote a book about Kesey’s exploits (The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test), he was allowed to shorten his incarceration in exchange for giving a speech on TV explaining to his followers why the LSD experiment had lasted long enough. He said that LSD had functioned as a door, an exit from the highly conditioned existence in bourgeois society. But once you have opened the door, you don’t stay there to play with it. You go in. And so, he told his audience, it is time to leave the door behind, to throw away the ladder that brought us up, and to go beyond.
Well, if he didn’t say that, at least he should have said it. I am at any rate willing to repeat it."
@Anonymous yes right this bustards does not understands the meaning of the word and starts spitting from their filthy mouth