Your videos are my comfort videos man. I'm a broke college student but this swap is something I've wanted to do since highschool for sentimental reasons and I'm so happy I stumbled across your videos; absolutely planning on doing this swap after college
I have trust issues also, because of personal experiences. Its a lot of work to do everything yourself, but a lot of the time its the only way it comes out right... Thanks for all you do
Yeah, taking your time and caring about the end result is a much better way to ensure good outcomes than paying a "professional" that does not care about your part. There are plenty of professionals out there that do care but it can be hard to find them.
This video was helpful, I have just complete the LSD install and the shifter detent install... and most of the gears still work in the correct direction!!!
as funny as it is to joke about it i actually did end up doing the stupid 1 forward and 5 reverse gears trick when i first did the radial airplane engine drivetrain... oops
Glad to see this in-depth work on the EB60, and the series in whole, as I’m planning to swap a 2gr/EB60 combo into my mk1. In fact, the engine/trans are literally coming out of the donor tC tomorrow, and the 2gr came out of an ‘06 Avalon middle of last week. I will be jumping on the mailing list for the lsd and reverse detent post-haste.
I actually probably won't replace it every time because i want to see how long it lasts with the change but i will certainly look at it very carefully any time i can.
I'm glad you did these videos, I will in the future aquire a v6 toyota as a project for a manual swap. A toyota camry looks a whole lot of fun now. Ha ha. I do not consider myself a mechanic but just learnt as I went along. I can relate the dodgy mechanical work by professional shops all they care about is making the dollar. Wasted alot of money on repair shops. Now doing things myself and just taking my time and paying attention.
A manual Camry V6 would be a lot of fun and you could dig in the parts bin for a 2010-2011 manual I4 to make it relatively easily. Those parts may also work with the next generation but someone would have to check that
I was just complaining about shops too. I decided to rebuild my gearbox myself but holy cow! that technique with getting the shim thinner, it's top shelf. Thanks for the torque specs on the LSD. Again, you run your shop better than majority of vendors out there. My cams are estimated to ship end of next month, hopefully you won't be too busy for a tune by then.
Yeah there's really not a lot to working on these gearboxes. It's annoying when you need to wait for shims to come in but otherwise it's really not bad.
Well…. We learned our lesson about being overconfident on high mileage race bearings without inspection. I wish I had learned more on the build side of transmissions during my tenure at Russ Moore up in Ft Wayne. 🤷♂️
I have a question for you. Is there any chance a eb60 transmission will mount onto a 2zz-ge engine? Im looking for an alternative transmission as the c60 is not very robust
OMG I want that LSD. Glad you brought up that bearing that goes bad often. Definitely worth replacing if you buy a used transaxle and already in there. Unfortunately, one of the 6th gears is discontinued and no longer available.
@@FrankensteinMotorworks I called 4 different dealers, they did a nationwide search, and couldn't find any 33337-33010 available anywhere. The 33429 is still available. I even called one of those online dealerships that state it's available, no luck. I'm betting Toyota took the last stock, in order to rebuild EB62's
@@FrankensteinMotorworks No, I actually did place an order with my local dealer. They kicked it back and said it was discontinued. Megazip also does not have a listing anymore for a direct Japan order.
@@Irvin_Wright ahh, ok. Well that's probably unfortunately discontinued then. Honestly in the end the gearing difference is not that large and the EB60 does just fine on the highway. If i could not mix and match i would much prefer an EB60 than an EB62. the 62's 5th and 6th are way too close to each other.
Great video. I see that you have the preload page from the service manual. Do you know where I can get a copy of the manual? I am in the middle of replacing the bearings on my 14 Scion TC and need assistance with the torques on the clutch kit and the preload on the bearing. Does the snap ring on the input shaft needs to be replaced when the bearing is replaced? What about the shim that is back there as well? Thanks
Thankfully the EPA has our back here. they require access to the service manuals for a reasonable fee and Toyota charges $20 for a 2 days subscription to all of the manuals for all the cars they've ever made in the USA: techinfo.toyota.com/ you can't directly download but print to PDF works great to "download" the required instructions.
@@FrankensteinMotorworks merry Christmas to by the way. I'm also curious to know if you're planning on upgrading the rear geometry? Things like the subframe and rear strength in general?
@@radstar2185 I don't have any plans for that at the moment but i certainly will if there's a deficiency. Keep in mind that people usually have to reinforce the crossmember because they use a larger E153 transmission and have to cut it up to make things fit.
@@FrankensteinMotorworks I am just thinking of what lotus did with the exige in going to the 2gr. And the guy in south Africa who did the mr2 2gr turbo race car. I'm sure with your skill level you have ideas with regard to getting the best out of this build. The lsd is awesome btw.
@@radstar2185 oh, you're talking about going to a SLA style suspension instead of struts? That's certainly not in the plan for this car right now but i also don't have a fully planned out path for this car.
Have you noticed if the modification to the rear input shaft bearing helped at all? I have mine apart right now replacing the bearing because it went bad and am thinking about doing the modification as well
I have done this to a few transmissions now without any downsides but it's not like i have 200k miles on these things. I feel good enough about this mod to keep doing it but i can't just make a broad recommendation for everyone.
@@prestonwl4076 I did, getting the trans out and back in is definitely tricky, and getting the gear selector in the right position when you're putting the case back together is also tricky, other than that as long as you have a bearing puller/separator and a hydraulic press it's not bad at all just a lot of work, been about 30k miles but only time will tell unless I take it apart again
@@Aw4k3nedGamer Thanks for the info. Trying to decide whether to just replace the ISB with the "improved" bearing or do this mod. Once I have everything apart maybe i'll just flip a coin to decide. Cheers.
@@prestonwl4076 I believe I used the "improved" bearing and still did the mod, also did the front isb and clutch while I was there, best of luck to you
I hope you have a video of an lsd install into an e153 or s54 as I could really use it. I recently just learned that the zzw30 diffs will fit into the s54 trans. I have now a total of 3 s54 trans, and 2 e153s. All open diff. 2 mk1s, both 3s powered, one with an s54 and the other with an e153.
I did consider that. it's certainly a possibility but the risk of introducing damaging metal in the bearing by doing that is a bit higher than i am comfortable with. I think the right thing to do if it ends up being necessary is to make an exit path around the outside of the race that is in the case, just like the other drains in this transmission. You could do it pretty quickly with a dremel or even a file.
No, i'm just working with a shop that does low volume production of units like this. I would like to make my own and i understand the math but i'd have to put a ton of testing into it before having a product ready for sale.
Your previous video was to mount a e153 transmission. Is this transmission better than the e153? I didn’t see you talk about the advantages or reason why you changed transmissions
That video was for an SW20 (MKII MR2) this is for a ZZW30 (MKIII MR2) The E153 is outright a stronger trans but the EB60 is a much more refined transmission and it is strong enough for a 2GR. So since i did not have to make any mounts for the SW20 i stayed with the E153 there and for the MKIII since i needed to make custom mounts no matter what i went with the more refined transmission.
on these transmissions you can get to the back of the races so i just use a brass punch to push them out from the back side. lots of little taps so it moves somewhat evenly instead of heavy hits.
Those are the easy ones lol..I’m also replacing the counter shaft bearings and have tried a few pullers but nothing thin enough to grab the race,just trying not to have to cut them out..thanks for the input and good luck with your build.
If you're getting a whining noise you really need to service that trans ASAP. otherwise you might end up needing a new trans case at best and possibly an entire new trans.
No price estimate I can announce yet. Since it's a low volume production it'll be on the high end of the pricing for this kind of part but i hope to be able to have it be pretty reasonable.
@@FrankensteinMotorworks sw20 with supercharged 2grfe. Eb60 with 62 6th gear. Link FuryX Building as a track car. I actually have a video about it I'll be posting soon. She's getting close to track worthy.
Never, at least not from me. But i am working on the EA60 in the SW20. The parts availability isn't there to support the SW20 market and there's no speedometer drive in the EB60 so it causes other issues in the SW20 platform.
Frankenstein Motorworks thanks for the info. If you ever find out maybe make a video because these transmissions are getting harder to come by and they’re old. Would you happen to know if any other transmissions can mate to the 3sgte?
@@thangcacdi I don't have a good answer for you but i can tell you that i know for sure that the EB60/EB62 does *NOT* bolt up to the 3s-gte. The dowels line up but none of the bolt holes do.
My e-mail is in many of these videos, but not this one. UA-cam won't let me type it here but you can go to my website and use the contact us link frankensteinmotorworks.com/
@@FrankensteinMotorworks May I ask you a favor? Would you mind tracing the outline and bolt pattern of the bell housing, and also this measurements of the input shaft, spline count, and dimensions from the bell housing/engine interface plane to the driver side mount points on the bell housing, as well as the tracing and dimensions of the same pattern? Then I can make a model and tell for sure. I know that's a big favor, but it would be awesome to know so I could put the v6 in my Yaris
I idolize your work ethic and roll with the punches attitude.
Your videos are my comfort videos man. I'm a broke college student but this swap is something I've wanted to do since highschool for sentimental reasons and I'm so happy I stumbled across your videos; absolutely planning on doing this swap after college
I have trust issues also, because of personal experiences. Its a lot of work to do everything yourself, but a lot of the time its the only way it comes out right... Thanks for all you do
Yeah, taking your time and caring about the end result is a much better way to ensure good outcomes than paying a "professional" that does not care about your part. There are plenty of professionals out there that do care but it can be hard to find them.
This video was helpful, I have just complete the LSD install and the shifter detent install... and most of the gears still work in the correct direction!!!
as funny as it is to joke about it i actually did end up doing the stupid 1 forward and 5 reverse gears trick when i first did the radial airplane engine drivetrain... oops
Glad to see this in-depth work on the EB60, and the series in whole, as I’m planning to swap a 2gr/EB60 combo into my mk1. In fact, the engine/trans are literally coming out of the donor tC tomorrow, and the 2gr came out of an ‘06 Avalon middle of last week. I will be jumping on the mailing list for the lsd and reverse detent post-haste.
That's awesome to hear. I don't technically sell the reverse detent without the rest of the shift kit but you can contact me to work something out.
Nice video. I bet I know what bearing you will change every time now. At least you did the right thing and replace it now.
I actually probably won't replace it every time because i want to see how long it lasts with the change but i will certainly look at it very carefully any time i can.
If Russel Crowe was a next level technician
I really don't know what to say to this but I do appreciate you watching the videos :)
@@FrankensteinMotorworks your work ethic and substantial technical knowledge makes your videos well worth watching. Keep doing what you do :)
Now all I see is Russell Crowe haha
I'm glad you did these videos, I will in the future aquire a v6 toyota as a project for a manual swap. A toyota camry looks a whole lot of fun now. Ha ha. I do not consider myself a mechanic but just learnt as I went along. I can relate the dodgy mechanical work by professional shops all they care about is making the dollar. Wasted alot of money on repair shops. Now doing things myself and just taking my time and paying attention.
A manual Camry V6 would be a lot of fun and you could dig in the parts bin for a 2010-2011 manual I4 to make it relatively easily. Those parts may also work with the next generation but someone would have to check that
I was just complaining about shops too. I decided to rebuild my gearbox myself but holy cow! that technique with getting the shim thinner, it's top shelf. Thanks for the torque specs on the LSD. Again, you run your shop better than majority of vendors out there. My cams are estimated to ship end of next month, hopefully you won't be too busy for a tune by then.
Yeah there's really not a lot to working on these gearboxes. It's annoying when you need to wait for shims to come in but otherwise it's really not bad.
Well….
We learned our lesson about being overconfident on high mileage race bearings without inspection.
I wish I had learned more on the build side of transmissions during my tenure at Russ Moore up in Ft Wayne. 🤷♂️
"Right off the Toyota parts counter." 😂🤣
If anyone is wondering, the big bearing race installer tool size is 3.53in. Most bearing installer tool kits on Amazon only go up to 3.1
I have a question for you. Is there any chance a eb60 transmission will mount onto a 2zz-ge engine? Im looking for an alternative transmission as the c60 is not very robust
OMG I want that LSD. Glad you brought up that bearing that goes bad often. Definitely worth replacing if you buy a used transaxle and already in there. Unfortunately, one of the 6th gears is discontinued and no longer available.
I just checked: 33337-33010 and 33429-33010 still seem to be available but i can't know for sure unless i order them.
@@FrankensteinMotorworks I called 4 different dealers, they did a nationwide search, and couldn't find any 33337-33010 available anywhere. The 33429 is still available. I even called one of those online dealerships that state it's available, no luck. I'm betting Toyota took the last stock, in order to rebuild EB62's
@@Irvin_Wright Did you have one just put it on back order? Parts like this often come from Japan and take 3-4 weeks to get here.
@@FrankensteinMotorworks No, I actually did place an order with my local dealer. They kicked it back and said it was discontinued. Megazip also does not have a listing anymore for a direct Japan order.
@@Irvin_Wright ahh, ok. Well that's probably unfortunately discontinued then. Honestly in the end the gearing difference is not that large and the EB60 does just fine on the highway. If i could not mix and match i would much prefer an EB60 than an EB62. the 62's 5th and 6th are way too close to each other.
Is your differential preload with dry cases? Wouldn’t sealer cause preload to be less?
Great video. I see that you have the preload page from the service manual. Do you know where I can get a copy of the manual? I am in the middle of replacing the bearings on my 14 Scion TC and need assistance with the torques on the clutch kit and the preload on the bearing. Does the snap ring on the input shaft needs to be replaced when the bearing is replaced? What about the shim that is back there as well? Thanks
Thankfully the EPA has our back here. they require access to the service manuals for a reasonable fee and Toyota charges $20 for a 2 days subscription to all of the manuals for all the cars they've ever made in the USA: techinfo.toyota.com/ you can't directly download but print to PDF works great to "download" the required instructions.
Can't wait for the next one 😀
Me too, I'm having fun with this series.
@@FrankensteinMotorworks merry Christmas to by the way. I'm also curious to know if you're planning on upgrading the rear geometry? Things like the subframe and rear strength in general?
@@radstar2185 I don't have any plans for that at the moment but i certainly will if there's a deficiency. Keep in mind that people usually have to reinforce the crossmember because they use a larger E153 transmission and have to cut it up to make things fit.
@@FrankensteinMotorworks I am just thinking of what lotus did with the exige in going to the 2gr. And the guy in south Africa who did the mr2 2gr turbo race car. I'm sure with your skill level you have ideas with regard to getting the best out of this build. The lsd is awesome btw.
@@radstar2185 oh, you're talking about going to a SLA style suspension instead of struts? That's certainly not in the plan for this car right now but i also don't have a fully planned out path for this car.
Have you noticed if the modification to the rear input shaft bearing helped at all? I have mine apart right now replacing the bearing because it went bad and am thinking about doing the modification as well
I have done this to a few transmissions now without any downsides but it's not like i have 200k miles on these things. I feel good enough about this mod to keep doing it but i can't just make a broad recommendation for everyone.
Did you end up doing the input shaft bearing mod? If so, any issues?
@@prestonwl4076 I did, getting the trans out and back in is definitely tricky, and getting the gear selector in the right position when you're putting the case back together is also tricky, other than that as long as you have a bearing puller/separator and a hydraulic press it's not bad at all just a lot of work, been about 30k miles but only time will tell unless I take it apart again
@@Aw4k3nedGamer Thanks for the info. Trying to decide whether to just replace the ISB with the "improved" bearing or do this mod. Once I have everything apart maybe i'll just flip a coin to decide. Cheers.
@@prestonwl4076 I believe I used the "improved" bearing and still did the mod, also did the front isb and clutch while I was there, best of luck to you
I hope you have a video of an lsd install into an e153 or s54 as I could really use it.
I recently just learned that the zzw30 diffs will fit into the s54 trans.
I have now a total of 3 s54 trans, and 2 e153s. All open diff.
2 mk1s, both 3s powered, one with an s54 and the other with an e153.
I do not have a video for those but the process is very well documented in Toyota's instructions that are available here: techinfo.toyota.com/
Could you possibly drill a couple holes in the back side of the seal in the bearing to allow oil to pass but not to an extreme
I did consider that. it's certainly a possibility but the risk of introducing damaging metal in the bearing by doing that is a bit higher than i am comfortable with. I think the right thing to do if it ends up being necessary is to make an exit path around the outside of the race that is in the case, just like the other drains in this transmission. You could do it pretty quickly with a dremel or even a file.
Wow, you're producing the LSD yourself? Are you fitting worm gears from a different diff or is everything custom?
No, i'm just working with a shop that does low volume production of units like this. I would like to make my own and i understand the math but i'd have to put a ton of testing into it before having a product ready for sale.
Your previous video was to mount a e153 transmission. Is this transmission better than the e153? I didn’t see you talk about the advantages or reason why you changed transmissions
That video was for an SW20 (MKII MR2) this is for a ZZW30 (MKIII MR2) The E153 is outright a stronger trans but the EB60 is a much more refined transmission and it is strong enough for a 2GR. So since i did not have to make any mounts for the SW20 i stayed with the E153 there and for the MKIII since i needed to make custom mounts no matter what i went with the more refined transmission.
What tool did you use to remover the bearing races?
on these transmissions you can get to the back of the races so i just use a brass punch to push them out from the back side. lots of little taps so it moves somewhat evenly instead of heavy hits.
Those are the easy ones lol..I’m also replacing the counter shaft bearings and have tried a few pullers but nothing thin enough to grab the race,just trying not to have to cut them out..thanks for the input and good luck with your build.
@@brianshields3079 which bearing? it may be the one you push out with a gear at the same time.
This video made me realize that I also ignored to check my bearings which is why Im getting a whining sound. Oh well 🤷
If you're getting a whining noise you really need to service that trans ASAP. otherwise you might end up needing a new trans case at best and possibly an entire new trans.
@@FrankensteinMotorworks I'll take the risk. Gives me a reason to pull the whole thing off and 2gr swap it using your parts 😂
Something totally off subject, but would a 1gr bellhousing work on a 2gr? I fancy this engine for my 81 corolla. Thanks in advance.
no, they are completely different.
@@FrankensteinMotorworks Bummer! Adapter plate it is then. Thanks
I made the mistake of putting 6th gear on upside down the first time...
Mistakes happen for sure, I'm not shocked it happened but i am shocked they let it out the door.
Can’t wait for the lsd. Any price estimate?
No price estimate I can announce yet. Since it's a low volume production it'll be on the high end of the pricing for this kind of part but i hope to be able to have it be pretty reasonable.
Also interested!
Just out of curiosity, would this be for an MR2 Spyder? I'm happy to sell it to you either way i'm just trying to understand the market a bit better.
@@FrankensteinMotorworks sw20 with supercharged 2grfe. Eb60 with 62 6th gear. Link FuryX
Building as a track car.
I actually have a video about it I'll be posting soon. She's getting close to track worthy.
@@FrankensteinMotorworks mine would be for a Scion tc
Eb60 in sw20 when sir :P
Never, at least not from me. But i am working on the EA60 in the SW20. The parts availability isn't there to support the SW20 market and there's no speedometer drive in the EB60 so it causes other issues in the SW20 platform.
Slightly off subject but is there a place to buy synchros for the E153 transmission?
I don't know of any aftermarket E153 synchro offerings at the moment but i honestly haven't looked in several years.
Frankenstein Motorworks thanks for the info. If you ever find out maybe make a video because these transmissions are getting harder to come by and they’re old. Would you happen to know if any other transmissions can mate to the 3sgte?
@@thangcacdi I don't have a good answer for you but i can tell you that i know for sure that the EB60/EB62 does *NOT* bolt up to the 3s-gte. The dowels line up but none of the bolt holes do.
Frankenstein Motorworks thank you so much for the info! Keep up the great work. MR2 is a great car but doesn’t seem to get as much love as it should.
This LSD can use in EB60 ? From fwd rav4
The FWD Rav4 is an EB61, you'd have to check if the part numbers match with the EB60.
@@FrankensteinMotorworks EB61 is smaller than EB60/62 or same casing ?
Thanks
@@LeongStrife I think the EB61 has a different case but the same internals. but the EB61 is not available in the USA so i can't know for sure.
For the v6 swap on a Mr2
My e-mail is in many of these videos, but not this one. UA-cam won't let me type it here but you can go to my website and use the contact us link frankensteinmotorworks.com/
How can I contact you
What transmission are you using and what car did you pull it from?
I heard the bolt pattern for toyota v6s was the same as the 4cyl's. Is that true?
I'm using an EB60 transmission from a Scion tC. And yes, many of the transverse 4 cyl and 6 cyl toyota bolt patterns match but they don't all match.
@@FrankensteinMotorworks May I ask you a favor? Would you mind tracing the outline and bolt pattern of the bell housing, and also this measurements of the input shaft, spline count, and dimensions from the bell housing/engine interface plane to the driver side mount points on the bell housing, as well as the tracing and dimensions of the same pattern?
Then I can make a model and tell for sure. I know that's a big favor, but it would be awesome to know so I could put the v6 in my Yaris