Both of those fatal crashes are t-bone related. T-bone crashes on formula cars in general had a high fatality rate due to the shape of the nose structures that concentrated the impact into a small area. I remember many engineers said it’s virtually impossible to make the cars any safer from t-been crashes unless they change the fundamental design of the formula cars.
The reason why that area of track is known to cause so many t-bone incidents is because the characteristics of the runoff and wall bounce cars back onto the track. If there was more runoff, more friction, and a less bouncy wall then lives could be saved. Also formula 1 needs to be more cautious of driving in wet conditions.
In the case of Dilano's accident, there was also blinding spray that was a factor as well. He aquaplaned by himself, and the spray obscured the vision of those behind him, leaving them unsighted. I agree that making the side of the cars less vulnerable to T-bone incidents (like that for Anthoine and Dilano) is a starting point, but considering that Spa has a reputation for very wet weather, look no further than the non race that was the 2021 Belgian Grand Prix, work on the drainage needs to be carried out, partly for safety reasons, but also to allow racing to take place in the wet at Spa
Agreed. Open wheeled racing is fundamentally lethal for so many reasons. Similar accidents happen in LMP, GT and touring cars and most walk away. Nothing wrong with the track, it's the cars.
he never even touched the barriers, he spun on track after contact with another car far upp the kemmel straight, it was after the kink. it was simmilar conditions to those in 2021 when the race was cancelled so my two questions are, why is the race trying to blame spa as a track? and why was the race not red flagged?
Good questions ask which none can be answered. I'll do some research and see past 2014 if there was any F1 drivers who had died at Spa but to my knowledge I can't say. I know the cars were much faster then now. Btw still good questions asked.
He spun because there was another crash before, and avoided a stopped car, but a third car didn't see him until it was too late, and that is because Eau Rouge is high speed with a blind exit.
@@Nicks62999It didn’t happen after Eau Rouge it was further down the Kemmel straight, the crash was caused by horrendous weather conditions not the track
This is wrong, this happened before T6, which is after Raidillon and before Kemmel. First car crashes out of raidillon and is in the track which causes the second car to crash and then the third t-bones that one.
This was not because of Spa. It was because the race was green flagged when there was no visibility. There's numerous tracks that have similarly dangerous corners. This is the race director's fault, not Spa's.
@@willwillwill5624 yeah it was. Doesn't mean we should ban Spa because of one incident. There are numerous tracks that are just as dangerous like Saudi. Both Zandvoort and Silverstone have had driver deaths in other championships. Doesn't mean we should ban those. Tracks like Monza and Le Mans have more driver deaths as well.
Um, what? The crash had nothing to do with Spa's layout, and was simply poor visibility caused by rain and walls next to straights. About half the tracks on the F1 calendar (including all street tracks) have this but worse. Yes, we should talk about track safety, but not when it wasn't actually at fault.
Not true, if the runoff was better then there would have been less chance of death. Steps need to be taken to make that track safer. Or are we gonna continue to act like the track is fine while young drivers keep dying?
@@tuna5618 There is nothing wrong with the track. What caused the fatal accident was a mix of bad weather and feisty kids giving it all or nothing. It was a freak accident
@@DavorZdralo you're calling him old. that's original. Martin drove cars at a time, where driver security was a realy annoying topic for the organizer. 20 years, before Martins time, a dead Driver per month was normal. Nobody liked it, but everybody wanted to drive. So everyone back then was a "boomer"? Or just stoopid? Or did they just accept, that car racing is dangerous? Every life matters, and the FIA tries to make it safe enough for everyone, and the safety evolves. But in the end, racedriver is a risky job.
Why aren't the drivers complaining of the inherent danger of racing, only these soy boy nerd reporters that never drove a race car crying about something that they will never experience. I'm a racer and I'm all for safety but I know the risk involved in the sport I love. I would be devastated that one of the most iconic corners would dissapear forever because cowardly nerds complaining because they can't handle the trauma of death. "A coward dies a thousand times before his death, but the valiant taste of death but once. It seems to me most strange that men should fear, seeing that death, a necessary end, will come when it will come" William Shakespeare.
Didnt the accident happen on the straight after Eau Rouge/Raidillon? What would a layout change do? Are they gonna make chicanes every 50m then? The problem was the conditions, not Spa. Those conditions on any track would be a risk.
I believe the issue is that cresting the hill is blind, hard to believe that one, but the barriers on either side, left side at the top of the hill amd right side on the following straight, punt the cars back out into the middle of the track. So a car at full speed crests a blind hill to find a car crashed and parked sideways in the middle of the track with zero warning and nowhere to go
Yes it happened about 400m behind eau rouge. Clearly some people dont know what happened and how it happened.. sad to see this that people dont research it. I was there when it happened and the lay-out has nothing to do with it...
It’s not spa that is the main issue, it’s the horrifically wet conditions they were racing in, visibility and the nature of such an impact. Open wheel cars need to look on how to improve visibility in the wet to start.
i agree. the cars could be designed better. especially the lower formula cars. plus, the drainage system at spa could be improved too. as for the layout. well, the layout wasnt a factor for dillano's cash
thank you for clearing that up, it’s important to note T-bone accidents and accidents in the rain are exponentially more dangerous to open wheel race cars. this is exactly why they canceled Spa last year for F1 regardless of the money lost. I have no idea why they had those kids out there, they are all amateurs, horrible job by the FIA.
Anthoines death was in dry conditions. I think when its wet and zero visibility it should be red flagged, but rain wasnt to blame for Anthoine's death.
No way man, Spa should never change. It’s the FIA that should listen to drivers when they say it’s not safe to drive. Postpone if necessary otherwise but your video suggesting or demanding that spa is the problem is wrong.
@@PPedroFernandesthats not the issue, dilano got hit at kemmel straight, not in eau rouge, pretty much all tracks have barriers close to the straights, so even with eau rouge removed completely this still could have happened. The focus should be on the cars being able to survive a t bone crash
@@tobski1603 Yes, we totally don't have the technology to solve that problem. It's not like we move millions and millions and millions of tons of earth every single year, that would be absurd
@@PPedroFernandes yeah mate, that it’s technology possible is clear. But they just build a new grandstand right where the ranoff area would be. And all in all it is just way to expensive. The sport is dangerous because it is deadly to fly with 300kph through the world. It has to be dangerous at some point, otherwise the drivers would less care if they crash or not.
Hubert died partially because instead of slowing down when the crash occured everybody tried to full steam past the accident in action via run off and the track, resulting in chaos and thus poor visibility to avoid still in motion car. Drivers also need to take the responsibility to avoid crashes and not opportunisticly full throttle by the accident. Nigel Mansell told in a podcast that younger drivers are too accustomed to walk away from 300kph crashes that they don't have the respect for the danger.
This! I have said this for couple of years already. These modern cars are "too safe". This is the reason why we have started to get more and more of these freak accidents where cars began to climb above other cars on collisions. And modern F1 cars are way too big and heavy. That is why I think Grosjeans car went through the barrier in Bahrain
Yes. I used to race superbike at club level and have seen someone killed during a race start when the stalled rider was hit from behind. If the race officials made an effort to drive the point home about looking out for stalled riders during rider briefings lifes could be saved but I've never heard an official mention it. They only ever talk about 'clean racing'. At this level rider/driver skill levels are a bit up and down if you know what I mean.
Why aren't the drivers complaining of the inherent danger of racing, only these soy boy nerd reporters that never drove a race car crying about something that they will never experience. I'm a racer and I'm all for safety but I know the risk involved in the sport I love. I would be devastated that one of the most iconic corners would dissapear forever because cowardly nerds complaining because they can't handle the trauma of death. "A coward dies a thousand times before his death, but the valiant taste of death but once. It seems to me most strange that men should fear, seeing that death, a necessary end, will come when it will come" William Shakespeare.
@@osoriodav2a human being died, doing something he loved and something that is inherently dangerous. Driving cars really fast is something only the few have the balls to do. The reason it takes balls is because the normal person doesn’t like the risk that comes with it. Comes with the territory
@@Nobody-pl3rs actually no more corner that's too demanding for tires so it's only drag race now, f1 calendar can be at every country having highway. Also no more human loss they play in a sim and an exoskeleton take their place in the real cockpit.
And Lewis is still trying for number 8 ... But at his age even with good reflexes and eyesight, he's finding the latest pedal powered engines to be very uncompetitive against the Ferrari with the much younger Carlos Saints.
Why aren't the drivers complaining of the inherent danger of racing, only these soy boy nerd reporters that never drove a race car crying about something that they will never experience. I'm a racer and I'm all for safety but I know the risk involved in the sport I love. I would be devastated that one of the most iconic corners would dissapear forever because cowardly nerds complaining because they can't handle the trauma of death. "A coward dies a thousand times before his death, but the valiant taste of death but once. It seems to me most strange that men should fear, seeing that death, a necessary end, will come when it will come" William Shakespeare.
The latest crash was caused by the horrific weather. Spinning in the wet would have happened on other fast tracks too. So should we forbid every fast track?
That's false. Main cause was the race directors that decided to finish the race on green flags with terrible conditions. Also the small run off area and the lack of tarmac/sand that makes the cars return to the track after a crash is one big factor.
@@cayden2744the bottom line is that the conditions were not optimal for racing and THAT was the major contributing factor as it is in many instances…all the drivers are capable of making decisions regardless of what the officials say…..
The barriers still make the cars bounce back to the track after a crash. They need to be changed so if a car crashes it is sent further away from the track and not towards it.
No one bounced back. Someone spun on the curb at the exit of Eau Rouge and crashed into the opposite guardrail. The actual accident in question happened on the straight afterwards due to poor visibility.
You are not qualified to determine if runoff or corner changes are required. There are many other potential solutions to safety issues and these are engineering problems to solve, not some web journalist.
The crash happened in heavy rain. That is not the fault of the track. It IS the fault of race management. That race should have been stopped. End of argument.
I was there, the rain wasn't that hard at the time of the crash, eau rouge has always been eau rouge. Only think to change is run off area on the top right, and work on cars to reduce spray
@@zeboz18yeah i think that section of forest should be completely removed and extend that track out to meet back up with the straight. the part that really bugged me about this crash was how much time passed after the initial crash then the t-bone.
@@chrissosa3723he did but he already was in a crash and when the car hit his when it splitted apart had puncture so he couldnt steer in time to avoid his car.
As a former motorcycle road racer at national level, Motorsport competitors know there is a calculated risk of injury or death. It is expensive, and we are not forced to race. We do it because we love it. We love it because of places like Spa, Phillip Island, Algarve, Brands Hatch and Hockenheimring. My understanding is that this crash happened in a heavy downpour. Maybe the decision to halt racing due to treacherous (like our politicians) conditions should’ve been made. The circuit needs no change.
exactly don’t race when the track is wet especially tracks that have very high speed corners and require loads of grip. sad to see the lad go didn’t deserve it but he was doing what he loved and many of us don’t get to go out that way
Please don’t make a campaign to get red of this beautiful circuit that has just undergone major safety improvements, but rather invest in barriers that avoid cars from bouncing back on the track! My deepest condolences to the families.
I agree. I just checked and they are still using tire barriers in this corner. There are much better options out there and also as a general rule, maybe not allow racing on high speed circuits during the wet similar to how Indycar does on ovals and on road courses when it gets really bad.
@OutCastMediaCA to my knowledge, I don't think there has been a fatality involving the SAFER (Steel and Foam Energy Reduction) barrier yet in the series that race on tracks that use it. And it's been in use for over 20 years now.
Why aren't the drivers complaining of the inherent danger of racing, only these soy boy nerd reporters that never drove a race car crying about something that they will never experience. I'm a racer and I'm all for safety but I know the risk involved in the sport I love. I would be devastated that one of the most iconic corners would dissapear forever because cowardly nerds complaining because they can't handle the trauma of death. "A coward dies a thousand times before his death, but the valiant taste of death but once. It seems to me most strange that men should fear, seeing that death, a necessary end, will come when it will come" William Shakespeare.
1) Van 'T Hoff's crash could've happened anywhere else as well, since he collided with another car in the Kemmel-straight, WELL AFTER Eau Rouge-Raidillon. That sent him spinning across the track, and because of lack of visibility, another car collected him. 2) Hubert's car only bounced back into the run-off area. Correa's car had a puncture (if I remember correctly, but something was definitely wrong with his car), that's why he T-boned him. If not for that problem of Correa's car, Hubert would be still with us. Again, not really a track-specific crash, but for argument's sake, let's say the barriers and the run-off needs to be changed. If we're suddenly so strict about safety and everything, why not revisit the case of e.g. Monaco? The only reason F1 cars are allowed to "race" there is because of historic reasons, otherwise it FAILS almost every single modern-day safety criteria.
@@richardhobbs7360 I don't even know what you're trying to imply here. Two cars (one of them was 'T Hoff's) clipped each other in the middle of the straight for reasons unknown. What does it have to do with Eau Rouge-Raidillon?
Concordo plenamente. Se está perigoso, anda mais devagar! A culpa é da pista, a culpa é do diretor de prova, a culpa é do carro. Os pilotos não tem culpa não??!
@@itsokaytobeaselfhatingjew5971 Formula 1 would not have raced on this track under these conditions. Remember 2021? Neither would F2 and F3, by the way.
FIA needs to take accountability in these situations. This was not a consequence of the track, it was a consequence of the conditions. The fact that the race was red flagged is where we need investigation. Nothing more.
@@yr_endidand the track has been changed since then albiet not a lot, but there is not much you can do in this area. People need to stop comparing these crashes. The are not the same they just happened to happen in the same are with unfortunately the same out come. It is very likely that had it not been raining this accident would not have had. The same outcome as the drivers could have seen and avoided the initial accident. One guy in another comment made a very valid point. This race should have been red flagged however due to that 2021 Saga of them not actually racing. The FIA and other parties may have been pressured to not red flag it.
Weather didn’t factor in either deaths, it was two people still going above yellow flag limits if you think about it. And the most recent death wasn’t due to Radillion he was on the kemmel straight
no, Spa doesnt need to change, DRIVERS need to change. Double waved yellows and flat out into the side of a crashed car... Same with both crashes. FIA need to get serious with giving points/penalties to drivers ignoring yellows.
Flags are useless if there's so much spray you can't see them. Things also happen so quickly that flags can't be guaranteed to notify the drivers before they find themselves in danger. That race shouldn't have happened in those far-too-wet conditions.
All race drivers know the risks of getting in a race car. That is (i think) also part of the thrill of racing. So isn't it more fair to ask the drivers what they think about it? I think none of them would want to change it.
F1: “Cars must have extreme aerodynamics. The tracks must be safe enough so no one gets injured or the layout will be altered. Isle of Man TT: “Don’t die (optional)
@@SuperFormula1 I guess English is not your first language. It's for men doesn't mean it's men only, it is a saying. Traditionally you wouldn't put women in danger hence women and children first on life boats, men can tough it out.
Thats like saying Isle of Man TT should be changed or banned because people get killed. They know the risks before getting on/in their machines. If anything the run off area needs to be changed.
Indeed, yet The Race reports on the Isle of Man TT in words of heroism and has failed to utter the same sharp criticism against a race, a form of entertainment if you will, that has claimed multiple lives during the last few occasions.
Absolutely spot on. The average road user in a production car has a higher risk of death than of that of a race driver on a race circuit. We don't see the Governments around the world closing roads.... In Australia alone, the rate of deaths on our roads has increased by 5.8% from 2021 to 2022....
@@Gaz3801 Heck yeah man. That's exactly why I dont like questions/conversations like this. Because if it comes to fruition, it will set precedent for other things like it and/or similar things to be banned. The drivers and riders know the risks involved. It should solely be up to them if they want to participate. It shouldn't be up to a government body, or an arm chair racer.
Why aren't the drivers complaining of the inherent danger of racing, only these soy boy nerd reporters that never drove a race car crying about something that they will never experience. I'm a racer and I'm all for safety but I know the risk involved in the sport I love. I would be devastated that one of the most iconic corners would dissapear forever because cowardly nerds complaining because they can't handle the trauma of death. "A coward dies a thousand times before his death, but the valiant taste of death but once. It seems to me most strange that men should fear, seeing that death, a necessary end, will come when it will come" William Shakespeare.
This is not due to Spa the circuit but due to incompetence on the part of the race directors. The crash did not happen because of eau rouge or radillon it was well down the strait. The blame is with the incompetent race directors. The race directors should never be allowed near a track again after the decisions they made to restart this race.
Whatever truth there may be to that, it doesn't change that the corner is historically dangerous. Just because it's famous doesn't mean it's well-designed. The speed and overall design of cars now is nothing like when these old tracks were originally made. You're literally wrong because you're not considering other factors. Too many "race fans" trying to place blame instead of looking for actual solutions.
@@stevesunderground you’re right every GP at Paul Ricard? I don’t see any other solution than infinite runoff. If you dislike that corner at spa surely you must have a problem with literally every street circuit because they’re all dangerous due to barriers standing cars in the middle of high speed racing line just like eau rouge Jeddah, Monaco swimming pool, Baku they’re all just as dangerous in sections as Spa. I’d go as far to say every racetrack has potential to be lethal. Just need something unexpected. You’re correct, it’s a famous corner so it naturally gets criticized even when the incident happened in another part of the track and had no impact on the situation just like this exact situation. In those conditions just about every track is potentially lethal and should be treated as such. Thinking otherwise is incredibly ignorant in my opinion.
It's dangerous because cars spin hit the wall and bounce back on the racing line just give more run of before hitting the wall no need to change the corner.
@@quepasatim it’s dangerous because there is no visibility in the pissing down rain. Competent race directors who do not restart the race for a last lap shootout where every drive will be going balls to the walls and not being able to see the car ahead during that pissing down rain solves this problem easier and cheaper.
Spa isn’t the issue. It’s the stewardship at F1 weekends. Spa has had a 75 24hr races and been perfectly fine. F1 need to stop blaming everything but themselves for their poor decision making and then things will change.
@@BlackKyurem5 still proves my point that the issue is F1 because safer or not GT events officiate accordingly which F1 needs to do. If even GT cars have had red flags due to rain when it gets objectively too bad for them to handle then why on God’s green earth were F2/3 cars fed to the wolves?
@@TsZen876 Spot on about the conditions. They should never have been racing in that. You only have to look at the 'rooster tails' coming from the cars and the standing water to know that race should have been red-flagged. To be clear though, this was not F1, but F3 and not an F1 weekend, so not an f1 stewardship issue.
Why aren't the drivers complaining of the inherent danger of racing, only these soy boy nerd reporters that never drove a race car crying about something that they will never experience. I'm a racer and I'm all for safety but I know the risk involved in the sport I love. I would be devastated that one of the most iconic corners would dissapear forever because cowardly nerds complaining because they can't handle the trauma of death. "A coward dies a thousand times before his death, but the valiant taste of death but once. It seems to me most strange that men should fear, seeing that death, a necessary end, will come when it will come" William Shakespeare.
The track is not the main culprit it's the race directors not calling a red flag on the clearly undrivable conditions. That whole segment of track needs to be monitored every race for any signs of standing water or visibility concerns from spray. Additionally a gravel trap on the left side to bring any driver to a halt before they rebound would be nice, without needed to reshape the barriers again.
@@richardhobbs7360'm 99.99999% sure you aren't talking about Eau Rouge corner (and again I'm 60% sure you weren't playing with the "rogue" adjective), rather you meant the Radillon sequence, but you're too dumb to know the names of F1 corners. And still, you think you can decide what should be done to them. Let me guess, you've discovered this sport via YT or via DtS, right?
@@richardhobbs7360this crash happened in the middle of a straight in wet conditions. It could have happened at any circuit F1 has ever raced on. The problem that needs fixing this time is avoiding sending the cars out when 1) there is so much standing water that the tires can’t touch the ground and 2) the drivers can’t see anything in front of them. Additionally, improved drainage (at every circuit) would help prevent this.
This tragic event was nothing to do with track layout at all, it was caused by driving in wholly unsafe conditions. Their best bet is to have an overhaul of the drainage system.
If the track was safer and the runoff was better then there wouldn't be so many deaths at the exact same spot of the track. Instead of saying, "there's nothing wrong with the track", perhaps we should prioritise life over precious tradition.
As far as I think, this sort of crash could have happened at any other track, where it is raining and you have barriers close to the track i. e. Monza…
I would analyze what conditions the crashes are happening before changing the course. There’s a lot of racing events at spa and 99% of the time there’s no major incidents, so I’m wondering if there can be changes made to what conditions are allowed and to have immediate red flags when accidents happen.
as the accident happend on the Kemmel Straight the bare mention of Eau Rouge/Radillion in this case is just ignorance/malice by the creator of the video.
@@Heinrich_Von_Schnellfahrer The original accident that caused everything else happened in Eau rogue, an accident that on any other track would have resulted in both cars in the barriers 20 meters off the track, but instead they got launched back onto the track
@@richardhobbs7360 So you do not know which corner Eau Rouge is either? Describe Eau Rouge to me, please. It is physically impossible for a car, or cars, that has an accident in Eau Rouge to end up there.
@@Heinrich_Von_Schnellfahreruy can't even write it properly and you want him to locate it precisely. 😂😂 (People like him are the reason why F1 won't be a thing in the next 20 years, or maybe just 5-6).
@@janfilipfontana1276 👍 out of curiosity I did a quick search of fatalities in drag racing.. hoooly.. and that is straight an level.. we need to ban straights RIGHT NOW!😅 and as far as fatalities per track Spa is by far not the worst in class..
This particular crash could sadly happen on pretty much any race track in such horrendous weather conditions. That being said, the changes made after 2019 were a disappointing half measure and didn't go far enough. We need to revisit gravel traps. It's happening now in Austria, albeit for different reasons, which is encouraging. Here, it would help in two ways: A) Gravel is way more effective than asphalt in stopping rebounding cars and preventing them from getting back onto the race track. Runoff area design has focussed too much on the first impact in the past, when in places like this it's the secondary impact that's more of a concern. B) A major issue on this part of the track is that in case of accidents, the following drivers will use the runoff to avoid the wreck while keeping their foot down. This behaviour comes with the permanent threat of top speed t-bone collisions, such as the one the killed Hubert, and it is only possible thanks to the asphalt runoff. With gravel traps there instead, drivers would quickly learn to apply their brakes again to avoid collisions. Even if secondary collisions still happened, they would be happening at lower speeds and be less likely to be fatal.
Yes gravel can be effective but it has it's own issues. Look at Sebring this year and even at slow speeds a Ferrari GT car hit the gravel and barell rolled. So an open wheel car digging in at high speed like Eau Rouge will launch it.
@@bmstylee I saw a video compilation of crashes at Eau Rouge / Radillon recently. In one of the incidents, a car did get launched over the barrier, and that was in the tarmac era. So it can happen either way. If a car digs into gravel, it at least loses significant amounts of speed while doing so, making a potential impact into the catch fence more survivable. I searched for the Sebring crash you mentioned and only found one where the car (a 488 GTE) flipped *after* impacting the barriers. That doesn't seem too dangerous. Definitely better than rebounding to the race track. It's not about protecting drivers from any kind of harm. That's impossible. If you go off at Eau Rouge or Radillon, it's gonna hurt. The advanced crash structures of racing cars are there for a reason, and they will be needed. It's about preventing the catastrophic crashes, the ones where even the strongest crash structures can't help you any more.
Yes. The race director really wanted to finish the race under green. There was a safety car phase before the accident and after that I think there were only 1-2 laps left. That was a damn bad decision because the cars are very close together after a restart. If you then add the rain, it's a disaster waiting to happen.
This had nothing to do with the corner, this happened on the straight afterwards. A straight like many many others on many many other tracks. The problem was the condition of the weather in which the race was restarted, a restart that should not have happened.
The IOM TT has on average three deaths per race, they know the risks. Two people dying in four years is far from 'high' and it was by 'junior' racers....it's the racers that need to be looked at, not the track.
dilano's crash wasnt cuz the run-off area wasn't enough or anything. it was raining quite heavily, he spun out and another car behind him, cuz of low visibility, went and crashed into the side of dilano's car
Why aren't the drivers complaining of the inherent danger of racing, only these soy boy nerd reporters that never drove a race car crying about something that they will never experience. I'm a racer and I'm all for safety but I know the risk involved in the sport I love. I would be devastated that one of the most iconic corners would dissapear forever because cowardly nerds complaining because they can't handle the trauma of death. "A coward dies a thousand times before his death, but the valiant taste of death but once. It seems to me most strange that men should fear, seeing that death, a necessary end, will come when it will come" William Shakespeare.
I was racing in a historic Formula junior race in 2005. A steering arm broke at the top of Eau Rouge, and I spun into the Tyre wall. Due to the layout, the car hit the Tyre wall 'head on' except that it was the tail that hit first. My injuries included a broken back, that put me in a wheelchair. The hospital at Liege was excellent and I eventually got home to England. I contacted the Formula 1 drivers association, I think it was David Coulthard who organized an inspection of the Tyre wall layout, and the circuit did change the layout to make it safer. Motor racing IS dangerous, but circuits should do their best to reduce dangerous places. During races, I believe that experienced drivers should assist the stewards, and the clerk of the course, to make safety decisions. I think this is done occasionally, with good results.
Why aren't the drivers complaining of the inherent danger of racing, only these soy boy nerd reporters that never drove a race car crying about something that they will never experience. I'm a racer and I'm all for safety but I know the risk involved in the sport I love. I would be devastated that one of the most iconic corners would dissapear forever because cowardly nerds complaining because they can't handle the trauma of death. "A coward dies a thousand times before his death, but the valiant taste of death but once. It seems to me most strange that men should fear, seeing that death, a necessary end, will come when it will come" William Shakespeare.
We should stop skydiving because people have died. Also stop eating because people have choked and died. Get rid of water because people drown. Let's get rid of.....
I'm truly appalled that expanding runoff areas have not even been talked about yet. It's an iconic section of track, no need to change it, but the bumpers that send cars back into a blind summit to meet other cars at high speed is unacceptable at this age of racing. Put in that money, redo the runoff areas, quit playing with racer's lives to save a quick buck.
@@mortenfrosthansen84 To clarify, the "bumpers that send cars back into a blind summit" is past the turns. They need to keep the walls from narrowing into Kemmel Straight.
@@adysun doesn't really matter, when it's such conditions.. then it could happen anywhere. But I do see your point. Accidents can and will happen at any point of the circuit. And racing is dangerous.. it's not like anyone pointed a gun at him to drive
=RUNOFF AREAS WERE WITH GRAVEL AND PREFECTLY DEALT WITH WHATEVER ............BUT LATER THEY VE BEEN PUT INTO ASPHALT FOR MAKE RADIION MORE FORGIVING..........BUT TOO MUCH ................SO,IF GRAVEL WOULD VE BEEN RETURNED,RADIION WILL BE SAFE AGAIN..........
Why do people keep talking about the corner? This crash didn't happen at Eau Rouge it happened on the Kemmel Straight. If you race in zero visibility with cars hydro planing everywhere any straight will become dangerous. It's kind of annoying seeing a racing channel with this stature spread this type of nonsense instead of talking about the actual reasons the accident occurred.
Automatic red flag: make a automatic system that notice stopped cars on the straight. If car is stopping on blind spot then automatically raise red flag.
The junior drivers need to be told to slow down, the track's layout is completely fine, if F1 could keep it on the track other categories could too because of the speed of F1 is way higher so please don't change the layout, change the safety of the cars no matter the cost.
i mean look at landos crash a few years back and tell me they can keep it on track. if im not mistaken too checo almost had a very big crash but barley saved it. also why blame the drivers when f1 did 3 laps under saftey car and said "thats the race you got what you paid for" but they cant do it now?
13 people have died on mount everest this year. Lets rebuild the mountain, make it lower and safer , something must be done. Spa is great, and need to stay asis. Stop inexperienced f3 and f2 driveres from racing here. Keep f1, wec, gt3 on the track as it is
Ah yes because climbing a mountain is the same as driving a car which is designed to be as safe as possible. "Spa is great, so I don't care about drivers dying, keep it so more young men die!" - you.
@@tuna5618He spun on a straight. No one can survive a T-bone crash in a straight in any track. If you want absolute safety then go watch or play e-sports.
Nah this obsession with finishing under green flags by race directors needs to change. I wonder if this bad pr is being pushed by people who want their curcuit on the calander over spa.
This has nothing to do with the layout of spa. This was about the race director making the wrong decisions. (Green flag in a rain race with 0 visibility) and it also happened on the kemmel straight and not in a corner
I have a simple suggestion for races in wet conditions : They should put LED lights that will be activated in the rain ; if there is a yellow flag in a sector it turns yellow and red for a red flag 🚩
@@tonyh2181 thank you 🙏🏾 I mean the LED would be somewhere on the rear wings where the pilot automatically and naturally look on the car right in front of him. But the problem is that I don’t want them to get hypnotized they could be less aware from what is happening around them maybe idk 🤷🏾♂️
@@Dohmk Well they already have the red light in the back for various purposes I don't think it would be much different for them to adapt to the different LED. I like your idea a lot.
Pretty sure he was a good chunk down the straight when it happened, I keep seeing people blame the corner but it wasn’t that. It was the wet conditions. No need to change shit just stop fucking racing in the wet here. It’s simple
Random suggestion... make f1 cars to have a mandatory mounting point for the entire wheel covers, those will only be used during the rain because the one and only bad thing about the rain is the nonexistent visability. Ofc those mounting points will be as small as possible or maybe even completely detachable so you can attach them and the wheel covers when needed. That way we'll get to see wet weather racing and not jost the first car and the big white cloud
Why aren't the drivers complaining of the inherent danger of racing, only these soy boy nerd reporters that never drove a race car crying about something that they will never experience. I'm a racer and I'm all for safety but I know the risk involved in the sport I love. I would be devastated that one of the most iconic corners would dissapear forever because cowardly nerds complaining because they can't handle the trauma of death. "A coward dies a thousand times before his death, but the valiant taste of death but once. It seems to me most strange that men should fear, seeing that death, a necessary end, will come when it will come" William Shakespeare.
The latest fatality should weigh heavily on the race director and stewards on the day. Almost all of the current F1 paddock agree they shouldn't have restarted under those conditions. The governing bodies obviously did not learn anything from the previous incidents. Safety of all participants [drivers, support staff, etc.] should come above anything else. Until it does, these kinds of accidents will continue to happen.
Its not Eau Rouge that needs to be changed its the barriers at the sides as they bounce cars back on to the track. Change the run off , solve the problem. Also the weather in that race was horrendous and should have been postponed
Why aren't the drivers complaining of the inherent danger of racing, only these soy boy nerd reporters that never drove a race car crying about something that they will never experience. I'm a racer and I'm all for safety but I know the risk involved in the sport I love. I would be devastated that one of the most iconic corners would dissapear forever because cowardly nerds complaining because they can't handle the trauma of death. "A coward dies a thousand times before his death, but the valiant taste of death but once. It seems to me most strange that men should fear, seeing that death, a necessary end, will come when it will come" William Shakespeare.
@@tuna5618just so you know, the accident happened quite a bit further away from raidillon. It was basically on the kemmel straight. Tell me why you would need a run-off area on a straight when there are so many street tracks that dont have them at all.
@@tuna5618 Where does that "safety haters" claim come from?? Last time I checked rain is a safety risk. Main cause of death was the driver hitting the other not seeing him at all due to the rain.
If you’re changing it, bring back the original 1950s Spa version when Eau Rouge was a hairpin. That road still exists, and the track can easily be rerouted after some repaving.
The weather caused the crash. A chaotic restart in the wet was bound to cause catastrophic accidents. Quit blaming circuits for the failures of drivers, manufacturers, and organizers.
@@tuna5618No, because motorsport is about being on the limit, which also means on the limit of danger. No one really wants to die, but it's still part of it
@@tuna5618 No one is forcing the drivers to take part and there will always be risks invloved. We do not need to neuter tracks any more, especially Spa which has been neutered enough. If the drivers feel it is unsafe they can choose not to race there, the fact that none do so is telling.
I'd put there a HUGE LED-Wall that instantly indicates if something waiting for a driver up the hill (crashed car, debry, etc.), indicatin that driver must slow down inmediately
A very big issue with these young drivers is that they never ever slow down under yellow flags or when they see people go off in front of them. Hubert accident showed this when other drivers went flat out off the circuit and on the run off area - this keeps on happening with these championships
don't change it. need people to understand that it's not just fucking spa that's dangerous. drivers don't ever forget what they're coming into. dont fucking back out now. it's too scary? DONT RACE
If you're going to completely alter the track, then there's no appeal of racing there. It's an amazing track and if you take away what makes it great, it's basically a death sentence for the venue so close to them just securing their immediate future. Perhaps the chassis of the lower formula cars need to be changed to accommodate the speeds and angles of attack that can occur at Spa. Otherwise remove it from the lower formulas if its more dangerous for them than the drivers in F1 cars. The accidents that have occurred there recently in sports cars for example show that the track is perfectly safe for fast cars and it's only in the lower single seat formulas where fatalities have occurred. Did they change the cars post Hubert's that much.... I don't think they did, F1 had a big shift after Grosjean's fireball but in my view, the F2 cars seem the same as they were in 2019 and the same must be the case with these lower formula cars.
Exactly, we saw high speed crashes in F1 without any fatalities in Spa. F1 chassis are much more tougher than the trash cans on wheels used by F2 and FRECA that lead to fatalities at the Raidillon.
"There is no appeal to this track unless a very specific and dangerous configuration is kept" Spa have been altered before, silverstone has been altered a TONNE, monza has changed significantly as well.
@@tuna5618 they've all changed a lot from their inception... yes, but not in the last 20 years. They just spent millions on revamping the track from even before the flooding last year in the interests of safety. But this happened anyway. The didn't make mistakes in the design, it's just bad luck. Some people don't like that bad things just happen and that everything that can be done to prevent them should be done. Motorsport is dangerous. Human beings are not biologically designed to fly along at near 200mph and stop suddenly safely. You can't change that. The lower formula cars are not fit for purpose at a track like Spa at this moment, they need to be changed.
Also, Silverstone was never changed in regards to safety... That was purely a move to ensure the commercial value of the track for the decades to come, allow for more layouts, more grandstands, infrastructure etc. On-track safety at Silverstone was never even in question.
Why aren't the drivers complaining of the inherent danger of racing, only these soy boy nerd reporters that never drove a race car crying about something that they will never experience. I'm a racer and I'm all for safety but I know the risk involved in the sport I love. I would be devastated that one of the most iconic corners would dissapear forever because cowardly nerds complaining because they can't handle the trauma of death. "A coward dies a thousand times before his death, but the valiant taste of death but once. It seems to me most strange that men should fear, seeing that death, a necessary end, will come when it will come" William Shakespeare.
Why aren't the drivers complaining of the inherent danger of racing, only these soy boy nerd reporters that never drove a race car crying about something that they will never experience. I'm a racer and I'm all for safety but I know the risk involved in the sport I love. I would be devastated that one of the most iconic corners would dissapear forever because cowardly nerds complaining because they can't handle the trauma of death. "A coward dies a thousand times before his death, but the valiant taste of death but once. It seems to me most strange that men should fear, seeing that death, a necessary end, will come when it will come" William Shakespeare.
@@tuna5618 seeing the crash, you can see some drivers being really wreckless given the conditions. This particular tragedy had nothing to do with the track layout.
Both of those fatal crashes are t-bone related. T-bone crashes on formula cars in general had a high fatality rate due to the shape of the nose structures that concentrated the impact into a small area. I remember many engineers said it’s virtually impossible to make the cars any safer from t-been crashes unless they change the fundamental design of the formula cars.
The reason why that area of track is known to cause so many t-bone incidents is because the characteristics of the runoff and wall bounce cars back onto the track. If there was more runoff, more friction, and a less bouncy wall then lives could be saved.
Also formula 1 needs to be more cautious of driving in wet conditions.
@@tuna5618 This didn't happen at Raidillon. It happened several hundred meters later on the Kemmel straight
Then change the fundamental design of the formula cars. Do they have to look like mosquitoes forever?
In the case of Dilano's accident, there was also blinding spray that was a factor as well. He aquaplaned by himself, and the spray obscured the vision of those behind him, leaving them unsighted. I agree that making the side of the cars less vulnerable to T-bone incidents (like that for Anthoine and Dilano) is a starting point, but considering that Spa has a reputation for very wet weather, look no further than the non race that was the 2021 Belgian Grand Prix, work on the drainage needs to be carried out, partly for safety reasons, but also to allow racing to take place in the wet at Spa
Agreed. Open wheeled racing is fundamentally lethal for so many reasons. Similar accidents happen in LMP, GT and touring cars and most walk away. Nothing wrong with the track, it's the cars.
he never even touched the barriers, he spun on track after contact with another car far upp the kemmel straight, it was after the kink. it was simmilar conditions to those in 2021 when the race was cancelled so my two questions are, why is the race trying to blame spa as a track? and why was the race not red flagged?
Good questions ask which none can be answered. I'll do some research and see past 2014 if there was any F1 drivers who had died at Spa but to my knowledge I can't say. I know the cars were much faster then now. Btw still good questions asked.
He spun because there was another crash before, and avoided a stopped car, but a third car didn't see him until it was too late, and that is because Eau Rouge is high speed with a blind exit.
@@Nicks62999 this was far far up the straight, it would have happened on any track because of the spray
@@Nicks62999It didn’t happen after Eau Rouge it was further down the Kemmel straight, the crash was caused by horrendous weather conditions not the track
This is wrong, this happened before T6, which is after Raidillon and before Kemmel.
First car crashes out of raidillon and is in the track which causes the second car to crash and then the third t-bones that one.
This was not because of Spa. It was because the race was green flagged when there was no visibility. There's numerous tracks that have similarly dangerous corners. This is the race director's fault, not Spa's.
It's Rush all over again.
Was Huberts crash not in the dry?
@@willwillwill5624 yeah it was. Doesn't mean we should ban Spa because of one incident. There are numerous tracks that are just as dangerous like Saudi. Both Zandvoort and Silverstone have had driver deaths in other championships. Doesn't mean we should ban those.
Tracks like Monza and Le Mans have more driver deaths as well.
@@shaunlevin5081 I don't want to ban it. It's my favourite circuit.
@shaunlevin5081 who said anything about banning it? He said change it. Can you comprehend that those are two différent words with différent meanings.
Um, what? The crash had nothing to do with Spa's layout, and was simply poor visibility caused by rain and walls next to straights. About half the tracks on the F1 calendar (including all street tracks) have this but worse. Yes, we should talk about track safety, but not when it wasn't actually at fault.
Not true, if the runoff was better then there would have been less chance of death. Steps need to be taken to make that track safer. Or are we gonna continue to act like the track is fine while young drivers keep dying?
@@tuna5618 There is nothing wrong with the track. What caused the fatal accident was a mix of bad weather and feisty kids giving it all or nothing.
It was a freak accident
It's time to replace Spa
@@AB-mw8ozput chicane in eau rogue, problem solved ✔️
@@Ariespradana13 Dumb. The accident't happened way after Eau Rogue. This would happen even with a chicane.
DO NOT change SPA.
Just push off the wall and add more runoff areas.
I'm sure people said that about the old Spa as well.
If it needs to be changed to ensure the safety of the drivers then I am all for it.
Let me guess - you were also against the Halo?
Why are you reporting this. IT'S MOTORS RACING. Have you ever been to the isle of man races. You do gooders will make everything snow flake.
Martin Brundle: “If you’re not prepared to get injured or potentially die before you get in the car, you have no business being in one”
He's the definition of the "OK boomer" meme.
@@DavorZdralo you're calling him old. that's original.
Martin drove cars at a time, where driver security was a realy annoying topic for the organizer. 20 years, before Martins time, a dead Driver per month was normal. Nobody liked it, but everybody wanted to drive. So everyone back then was a "boomer"? Or just stoopid? Or did they just accept, that car racing is dangerous?
Every life matters, and the FIA tries to make it safe enough for everyone, and the safety evolves. But in the end, racedriver is a risky job.
@@DavorZdralo NO, just bigger
balls than yours,
All races, flying, driving, shall be banned. All persons shall be relegated to VR headsets and collecting themselves on Monza, turn 1.
Why aren't the drivers complaining of the inherent danger of racing, only these soy boy nerd reporters that never drove a race car crying about something that they will never experience. I'm a racer and I'm all for safety but I know the risk involved in the sport I love. I would be devastated that one of the most iconic corners would dissapear forever because cowardly nerds complaining because they can't handle the trauma of death. "A coward dies a thousand times before his death, but the valiant taste of death but once. It seems to me most strange that men should fear, seeing that death, a necessary end, will come when it will come" William Shakespeare.
Didnt the accident happen on the straight after Eau Rouge/Raidillon? What would a layout change do? Are they gonna make chicanes every 50m then?
The problem was the conditions, not Spa. Those conditions on any track would be a risk.
I believe the issue is that cresting the hill is blind, hard to believe that one, but the barriers on either side, left side at the top of the hill amd right side on the following straight, punt the cars back out into the middle of the track. So a car at full speed crests a blind hill to find a car crashed and parked sideways in the middle of the track with zero warning and nowhere to go
@hobbyguy79 thats not what happened with this most recent though.
They are here for the attention, not for the problem.
Yes it happened about 400m behind eau rouge. Clearly some people dont know what happened and how it happened.. sad to see this that people dont research it. I was there when it happened and the lay-out has nothing to do with it...
Maybe gravel instead of a wall so cars clear the track after a shunt
It’s not spa that is the main issue, it’s the horrifically wet conditions they were racing in, visibility and the nature of such an impact. Open wheel cars need to look on how to improve visibility in the wet to start.
i agree. the cars could be designed better. especially the lower formula cars. plus, the drainage system at spa could be improved too. as for the layout. well, the layout wasnt a factor for dillano's cash
Honestly just a wind screen like Indycar has might improve this
@@gdawgpwnsall yes but the spray from cars ahead would be the same
thank you for clearing that up, it’s important to note T-bone accidents and accidents in the rain are exponentially more dangerous to open wheel race cars. this is exactly why they canceled Spa last year for F1 regardless of the money lost. I have no idea why they had those kids out there, they are all amateurs, horrible job by the FIA.
Anthoines death was in dry conditions. I think when its wet and zero visibility it should be red flagged, but rain wasnt to blame for Anthoine's death.
I'm glad you're not in control of the track layout or safety
To get a like of dislikes and comments because that is engagement all the same and youtube will value the video for it
No way man, Spa should never change. It’s the FIA that should listen to drivers when they say it’s not safe to drive. Postpone if necessary otherwise but your video suggesting or demanding that spa is the problem is wrong.
Of course Spa should change. Not the track itself, but eau rouge needs WAY more runoff. That wall just bounces car back onto the racing line
@@PPedroFernandesthats not the issue, dilano got hit at kemmel straight, not in eau rouge, pretty much all tracks have barriers close to the straights, so even with eau rouge removed completely this still could have happened. The focus should be on the cars being able to survive a t bone crash
@@PPedroFernandesthats not possible mate. There ist a mountain to the left and a valley to the right
@@tobski1603 Yes, we totally don't have the technology to solve that problem. It's not like we move millions and millions and millions of tons of earth every single year, that would be absurd
@@PPedroFernandes yeah mate, that it’s technology possible is clear. But they just build a new grandstand right where the ranoff area would be. And all in all it is just way to expensive. The sport is dangerous because it is deadly to fly with 300kph through the world. It has to be dangerous at some point, otherwise the drivers would less care if they crash or not.
Hubert died partially because instead of slowing down when the crash occured everybody tried to full steam past the accident in action via run off and the track, resulting in chaos and thus poor visibility to avoid still in motion car. Drivers also need to take the responsibility to avoid crashes and not opportunisticly full throttle by the accident. Nigel Mansell told in a podcast that younger drivers are too accustomed to walk away from 300kph crashes that they don't have the respect for the danger.
This! I have said this for couple of years already. These modern cars are "too safe". This is the reason why we have started to get more and more of these freak accidents where cars began to climb above other cars on collisions. And modern F1 cars are way too big and heavy. That is why I think Grosjeans car went through the barrier in Bahrain
That and all the sim use - crash and reset...
Yes. I used to race superbike at club level and have seen someone killed during a race start when the stalled rider was hit from behind. If the race officials made an effort to drive the point home about looking out for stalled riders during rider briefings lifes could be saved but I've never heard an official mention it. They only ever talk about 'clean racing'. At this level rider/driver skill levels are a bit up and down if you know what I mean.
Well-put. Drivers indeed also share some responsibility.
"top tier motor racing should be slower" said no race driver ever
Why aren't the drivers complaining of the inherent danger of racing, only these soy boy nerd reporters that never drove a race car crying about something that they will never experience. I'm a racer and I'm all for safety but I know the risk involved in the sport I love. I would be devastated that one of the most iconic corners would dissapear forever because cowardly nerds complaining because they can't handle the trauma of death. "A coward dies a thousand times before his death, but the valiant taste of death but once. It seems to me most strange that men should fear, seeing that death, a necessary end, will come when it will come" William Shakespeare.
"Journalism" like this will cancel the whole sport.
Asking for safety is cancel culture now apparently. What's next? People will ask for safety in their homes?! Cancel culture has gone too far!
What?
It's an opinion piece, he's entitled to it.
@@osoriodav2a human being died, doing something he loved and something that is inherently dangerous. Driving cars really fast is something only the few have the balls to do. The reason it takes balls is because the normal person doesn’t like the risk that comes with it. Comes with the territory
@@osoriodav2racing cars is dangerous.
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It’s now 2052 and accelerating has been banned by the FIA
Great idea! The cars will have one gear and the engine is just set to max rev. No need for all that dangerous braking either
@@Nobody-pl3rs actually no more corner that's too demanding for tires so it's only drag race now, f1 calendar can be at every country having highway.
Also no more human loss they play in a sim and an exoskeleton take their place in the real cockpit.
Actually, the cars don't move anymore and the results are being decided with a coin toss
Wouldnt make f1 any less interesting. Id rather watch paint dry
And Lewis is still trying for number 8 ... But at his age even with good reflexes and eyesight, he's finding the latest pedal powered engines to be very uncompetitive against the Ferrari with the much younger Carlos Saints.
Race directors should be banned held accountable for sending the drivers in horrendous conditions, disgusting.
Why aren't the drivers complaining of the inherent danger of racing, only these soy boy nerd reporters that never drove a race car crying about something that they will never experience. I'm a racer and I'm all for safety but I know the risk involved in the sport I love. I would be devastated that one of the most iconic corners would dissapear forever because cowardly nerds complaining because they can't handle the trauma of death. "A coward dies a thousand times before his death, but the valiant taste of death but once. It seems to me most strange that men should fear, seeing that death, a necessary end, will come when it will come" William Shakespeare.
The latest crash was caused by the horrific weather. Spinning in the wet would have happened on other fast tracks too. So should we forbid every fast track?
That's false.
Main cause was the race directors that decided to finish the race on green flags with terrible conditions.
Also the small run off area and the lack of tarmac/sand that makes the cars return to the track after a crash is one big factor.
@@cayden2744the bottom line is that the conditions were not optimal for racing and THAT was the major contributing factor as it is in many instances…all the drivers are capable of making decisions regardless of what the officials say…..
@@cayden2744 this also could have happened on Monza on the straight to Variante ascari
Hubert died in bone dry conditions? Can’t wait until it’s an F1 driver before you make changes
That didn’t happen to Hubert bro, it was in normal sunny conditions
The barriers still make the cars bounce back to the track after a crash. They need to be changed so if a car crashes it is sent further away from the track and not towards it.
No one bounced back. Someone spun on the curb at the exit of Eau Rouge and crashed into the opposite guardrail. The actual accident in question happened on the straight afterwards due to poor visibility.
Expand the runoff area 3-4x wider and longer. Problem solved. Yeah, it will be expensive, but cheaper than a life.
@@NoToBigBroor a gravel trap
gravel trap springs to mind
The barriers at radillon need to be moved back and gravel traps added
You are not qualified to determine if runoff or corner changes are required. There are many other potential solutions to safety issues and these are engineering problems to solve, not some web journalist.
The crash happened in heavy rain. That is not the fault of the track. It IS the fault of race management. That race should have been stopped. End of argument.
I was there, the rain wasn't that hard at the time of the crash, eau rouge has always been eau rouge. Only think to change is run off area on the top right, and work on cars to reduce spray
@@zeboz18yeah i think that section of forest should be completely removed and extend that track out to meet back up with the straight. the part that really bugged me about this crash was how much time passed after the initial crash then the t-bone.
Didn't Antoine pass away on a dry track?
@@chrissosa3723he did but he already was in a crash and when the car hit his when it splitted apart had puncture so he couldnt steer in time to avoid his car.
Simply change the racing calender .
As a former motorcycle road racer at national level, Motorsport competitors know there is a calculated risk of injury or death. It is expensive, and we are not forced to race. We do it because we love it. We love it because of places like Spa, Phillip Island, Algarve, Brands Hatch and Hockenheimring.
My understanding is that this crash happened in a heavy downpour. Maybe the decision to halt racing due to treacherous (like our politicians) conditions should’ve been made. The circuit needs no change.
exactly don’t race when the track is wet especially tracks that have very high speed corners and require loads of grip. sad to see the lad go didn’t deserve it but he was doing what he loved and many of us don’t get to go out that way
This
Rider and Marshall killed at the Southern 100 warm up on the I.o.M this week...I don't hear complaints about that?
shout out Phillip Island, can see it from work
@@TheJacobAnwyl as a matter of fact I’m an Aussie (Victorian). And have been airlifted from Doohan corner after a crash! 🏍💨🚁🤦♂️🤣🤷♂️
It's not spa! Stop with the bs! It's the drivers responsibility, not the track.
Please don’t make a campaign to get red of this beautiful circuit that has just undergone major safety improvements, but rather invest in barriers that avoid cars from bouncing back on the track!
My deepest condolences to the families.
I agree. I just checked and they are still using tire barriers in this corner. There are much better options out there and also as a general rule, maybe not allow racing on high speed circuits during the wet similar to how Indycar does on ovals and on road courses when it gets really bad.
Don’t they have barriers and it still happens?
@OutCastMediaCA to my knowledge, I don't think there has been a fatality involving the SAFER (Steel and Foam Energy Reduction) barrier yet in the series that race on tracks that use it. And it's been in use for over 20 years now.
Why aren't the drivers complaining of the inherent danger of racing, only these soy boy nerd reporters that never drove a race car crying about something that they will never experience. I'm a racer and I'm all for safety but I know the risk involved in the sport I love. I would be devastated that one of the most iconic corners would dissapear forever because cowardly nerds complaining because they can't handle the trauma of death. "A coward dies a thousand times before his death, but the valiant taste of death but once. It seems to me most strange that men should fear, seeing that death, a necessary end, will come when it will come" William Shakespeare.
1) Van 'T Hoff's crash could've happened anywhere else as well, since he collided with another car in the Kemmel-straight, WELL AFTER Eau Rouge-Raidillon. That sent him spinning across the track, and because of lack of visibility, another car collected him.
2) Hubert's car only bounced back into the run-off area. Correa's car had a puncture (if I remember correctly, but something was definitely wrong with his car), that's why he T-boned him. If not for that problem of Correa's car, Hubert would be still with us. Again, not really a track-specific crash, but for argument's sake, let's say the barriers and the run-off needs to be changed.
If we're suddenly so strict about safety and everything, why not revisit the case of e.g. Monaco? The only reason F1 cars are allowed to "race" there is because of historic reasons, otherwise it FAILS almost every single modern-day safety criteria.
Monaco is not a race, it’s a high speed parade. 😂
Correas front wing was under the front of the car lifting the wheels of the ground. He was a passenger.
Absolutely correct. The track is fine, but the younger formula classes need stricter stewardship on the faster tracks.
I have only 1 question
Why was the car so far from Eau Rouge? Was it maybe because there's NO RUN OFF
@@richardhobbs7360 I don't even know what you're trying to imply here. Two cars (one of them was 'T Hoff's) clipped each other in the middle of the straight for reasons unknown. What does it have to do with Eau Rouge-Raidillon?
The best way to reduce the chance of fatal accidents is to race virtually, near a hospital.
😂😂😂 smartest f1 fan:
Concordo plenamente. Se está perigoso, anda mais devagar! A culpa é da pista, a culpa é do diretor de prova, a culpa é do carro. Os pilotos não tem culpa não??!
I think the first question to ask is why the f did they drive in those conditions?
In Europe we keep racing if it rains...
@@itsokaytobeaselfhatingjew5971 Time to reassess that
@@itsokaytobeaselfhatingjew5971 Formula 1 would not have raced on this track under these conditions. Remember 2021? Neither would F2 and F3, by the way.
@@itsokaytobeaselfhatingjew5971 don’t talk shit pal!… it’s the FIA that say Y or N !🙄
You are right o was there when the accident happend. It was not raining alot. But there was alot of spray coming from the cars.
FIA needs to take accountability in these situations. This was not a consequence of the track, it was a consequence of the conditions. The fact that the race was red flagged is where we need investigation. Nothing more.
Hubert's crash happened in dry conditions.
@@yr_endidand the track has been changed since then albiet not a lot, but there is not much you can do in this area.
People need to stop comparing these crashes. The are not the same they just happened to happen in the same are with unfortunately the same out come.
It is very likely that had it not been raining this accident would not have had. The same outcome as the drivers could have seen and avoided the initial accident.
One guy in another comment made a very valid point. This race should have been red flagged however due to that 2021 Saga of them not actually racing. The FIA and other parties may have been pressured to not red flag it.
Yep an extra second or two of visibility would have helped
Weather should be a consideration of holding a race. The conditions at Spa in rain are atrocious. The race should have been postponed.
Weather didn’t factor in either deaths, it was two people still going above yellow flag limits if you think about it. And the most recent death wasn’t due to Radillion he was on the kemmel straight
Even the drivers wouldn’t want the track to be changed
no, Spa doesnt need to change, DRIVERS need to change. Double waved yellows and flat out into the side of a crashed car... Same with both crashes. FIA need to get serious with giving points/penalties to drivers ignoring yellows.
Flags are useless if there's so much spray you can't see them. Things also happen so quickly that flags can't be guaranteed to notify the drivers before they find themselves in danger. That race shouldn't have happened in those far-too-wet conditions.
Because of all the spray you can't see a thing.
@@jameslucas3161 they also get a warning on their screen in formula 1 for yellows
@@jameslucas3161lights usually show on their steering wheel if it’s yellow or green flag
@@jameslucas3161 yellow and red flag are instantly shown in the driver wheel, even before the flag itself are out.
The only fault was the people who didnt call a red flag. The area he drove through was completely blind because of rain being tossed up
All race drivers know the risks of getting in a race car.
That is (i think) also part of the thrill of racing.
So isn't it more fair to ask the drivers what they think about it?
I think none of them would want to change it.
F1: “Cars must have extreme aerodynamics. The tracks must be safe enough so no one gets injured or the layout will be altered. Isle of Man TT: “Don’t die (optional)
That’s why the word “Man” is in the name. It’s for men. Not pampered f1 drivers
@@p00piterthe reason it’s called the Isle of Man is because the location is called the Isle of Man not because it’s for men only
@@SuperFormula1 I guess English is not your first language. It's for men doesn't mean it's men only, it is a saying. Traditionally you wouldn't put women in danger hence women and children first on life boats, men can tough it out.
@@qqoui I live and I was born in England. You’re probably in America what do you know it’s called Isle of Man 🇮🇲 because it’s in the Isle of Man 🇮🇲
@@SuperFormula1I don’t think you get what he means.
Thats like saying Isle of Man TT should be changed or banned because people get killed. They know the risks before getting on/in their machines. If anything the run off area needs to be changed.
To be honest it should be. But people are insane anyway
Indeed, yet The Race reports on the Isle of Man TT in words of heroism and has failed to utter the same sharp criticism against a race, a form of entertainment if you will, that has claimed multiple lives during the last few occasions.
Absolutely spot on. The average road user in a production car has a higher risk of death than of that of a race driver on a race circuit. We don't see the Governments around the world closing roads.... In Australia alone, the rate of deaths on our roads has increased by 5.8% from 2021 to 2022....
@@Gaz3801 Heck yeah man. That's exactly why I dont like questions/conversations like this. Because if it comes to fruition, it will set precedent for other things like it and/or similar things to be banned. The drivers and riders know the risks involved. It should solely be up to them if they want to participate. It shouldn't be up to a government body, or an arm chair racer.
Why aren't the drivers complaining of the inherent danger of racing, only these soy boy nerd reporters that never drove a race car crying about something that they will never experience. I'm a racer and I'm all for safety but I know the risk involved in the sport I love. I would be devastated that one of the most iconic corners would dissapear forever because cowardly nerds complaining because they can't handle the trauma of death. "A coward dies a thousand times before his death, but the valiant taste of death but once. It seems to me most strange that men should fear, seeing that death, a necessary end, will come when it will come" William Shakespeare.
The main risk is the blind exit from eau rouge… this is hard to correct.
This is not due to Spa the circuit but due to incompetence on the part of the race directors. The crash did not happen because of eau rouge or radillon it was well down the strait. The blame is with the incompetent race directors. The race directors should never be allowed near a track again after the decisions they made to restart this race.
Whatever truth there may be to that, it doesn't change that the corner is historically dangerous. Just because it's famous doesn't mean it's well-designed. The speed and overall design of cars now is nothing like when these old tracks were originally made. You're literally wrong because you're not considering other factors. Too many "race fans" trying to place blame instead of looking for actual solutions.
@@stevesunderground you’re right every GP at Paul Ricard? I don’t see any other solution than infinite runoff. If you dislike that corner at spa surely you must have a problem with literally every street circuit because they’re all dangerous due to barriers standing cars in the middle of high speed racing line just like eau rouge Jeddah, Monaco swimming pool, Baku they’re all just as dangerous in sections as Spa. I’d go as far to say every racetrack has potential to be lethal. Just need something unexpected. You’re correct, it’s a famous corner so it naturally gets criticized even when the incident happened in another part of the track and had no impact on the situation just like this exact situation. In those conditions just about every track is potentially lethal and should be treated as such. Thinking otherwise is incredibly ignorant in my opinion.
It's dangerous because cars spin hit the wall and bounce back on the racing line just give more run of before hitting the wall no need to change the corner.
@@quepasatim it’s dangerous because there is no visibility in the pissing down rain. Competent race directors who do not restart the race for a last lap shootout where every drive will be going balls to the walls and not being able to see the car ahead during that pissing down rain solves this problem easier and cheaper.
@@JMak02 my thoughts same , click bait video
Spa isn’t the issue. It’s the stewardship at F1 weekends. Spa has had a 75 24hr races and been perfectly fine. F1 need to stop blaming everything but themselves for their poor decision making and then things will change.
That's not comparable, GT and Touring Cars (which have raced at the 24 Hours) are much slower than Formula racers and much more safer in themselves
@@BlackKyurem5 still proves my point that the issue is F1 because safer or not GT events officiate accordingly which F1 needs to do. If even GT cars have had red flags due to rain when it gets objectively too bad for them to handle then why on God’s green earth were F2/3 cars fed to the wolves?
@@BlackKyurem5They are not fast as f1 Ok but ,
They also dont have grip and downforce like f1 .....
@@TsZen876 Spot on about the conditions. They should never have been racing in that. You only have to look at the 'rooster tails' coming from the cars and the standing water to know that race should have been red-flagged. To be clear though, this was not F1, but F3 and not an F1 weekend, so not an f1 stewardship issue.
@@thanekrios3211 Thank you for Clarifying!
A combined weightless lifting of the car going over the crest, wet conditions and high speed cornering make it extremely dangerous
Why aren't the drivers complaining of the inherent danger of racing, only these soy boy nerd reporters that never drove a race car crying about something that they will never experience. I'm a racer and I'm all for safety but I know the risk involved in the sport I love. I would be devastated that one of the most iconic corners would dissapear forever because cowardly nerds complaining because they can't handle the trauma of death. "A coward dies a thousand times before his death, but the valiant taste of death but once. It seems to me most strange that men should fear, seeing that death, a necessary end, will come when it will come" William Shakespeare.
The track is not the main culprit it's the race directors not calling a red flag on the clearly undrivable conditions. That whole segment of track needs to be monitored every race for any signs of standing water or visibility concerns from spray.
Additionally a gravel trap on the left side to bring any driver to a halt before they rebound would be nice, without needed to reshape the barriers again.
The track is most definetely the problem, more specifically because of eau rogue, it NEEDS to be changed
@@richardhobbs7360'm 99.99999% sure you aren't talking about Eau Rouge corner (and again I'm 60% sure you weren't playing with the "rogue" adjective), rather you meant the Radillon sequence, but you're too dumb to know the names of F1 corners. And still, you think you can decide what should be done to them.
Let me guess, you've discovered this sport via YT or via DtS, right?
@@richardhobbs7360this crash happened in the middle of a straight in wet conditions. It could have happened at any circuit F1 has ever raced on. The problem that needs fixing this time is avoiding sending the cars out when 1) there is so much standing water that the tires can’t touch the ground and 2) the drivers can’t see anything in front of them. Additionally, improved drainage (at every circuit) would help prevent this.
@@TheMur28 Dilanos did, the original didn't, another track and there would have been enough run off
This tragic event was nothing to do with track layout at all, it was caused by driving in wholly unsafe conditions.
Their best bet is to have an overhaul of the drainage system.
pretty sure two fatalities in the same place in a similar fashion point out to a track related issue, regardless of the conditions present
If the track was safer and the runoff was better then there wouldn't be so many deaths at the exact same spot of the track.
Instead of saying, "there's nothing wrong with the track", perhaps we should prioritise life over precious tradition.
Exactly. Spa is a problem. It that’s not why this happened.
@@tuna5618There are problems with the track. But this didn’t happen for those reasons and didn’t happen the same exact spot.
@@maxwilson3531nah. This accident didn’t happen in the same exact spot and it was because of the rain conditions. Was way tk wet for open wheel spray.
Don’t change it they wouldn’t want that
As far as I think, this sort of crash could have happened at any other track, where it is raining and you have barriers close to the track i. e. Monza…
I would analyze what conditions the crashes are happening before changing the course. There’s a lot of racing events at spa and 99% of the time there’s no major incidents, so I’m wondering if there can be changes made to what conditions are allowed and to have immediate red flags when accidents happen.
These drivers know the risks and CHOOSE to race there!
Corners like these are made of dreams. It needs to stay. It's a corner that uses 3 axis in a dramatic way, it's beautiful.
as the accident happend on the Kemmel Straight the bare mention of Eau Rouge/Radillion in this case is just ignorance/malice by the creator of the video.
@@Heinrich_Von_Schnellfahrer The original accident that caused everything else happened in Eau rogue, an accident that on any other track would have resulted in both cars in the barriers 20 meters off the track, but instead they got launched back onto the track
@@richardhobbs7360 So you do not know which corner Eau Rouge is either? Describe Eau Rouge to me, please. It is physically impossible for a car, or cars, that has an accident in Eau Rouge to end up there.
@@Heinrich_Von_Schnellfahreruy can't even write it properly and you want him to locate it precisely. 😂😂
(People like him are the reason why F1 won't be a thing in the next 20 years, or maybe just 5-6).
@@janfilipfontana1276 👍 out of curiosity
I did a quick search of fatalities in drag racing.. hoooly.. and that is straight an level.. we need to ban straights RIGHT NOW!😅 and as far as fatalities per track Spa is by far not the worst in class..
This particular crash could sadly happen on pretty much any race track in such horrendous weather conditions. That being said, the changes made after 2019 were a disappointing half measure and didn't go far enough. We need to revisit gravel traps. It's happening now in Austria, albeit for different reasons, which is encouraging. Here, it would help in two ways:
A) Gravel is way more effective than asphalt in stopping rebounding cars and preventing them from getting back onto the race track. Runoff area design has focussed too much on the first impact in the past, when in places like this it's the secondary impact that's more of a concern.
B) A major issue on this part of the track is that in case of accidents, the following drivers will use the runoff to avoid the wreck while keeping their foot down. This behaviour comes with the permanent threat of top speed t-bone collisions, such as the one the killed Hubert, and it is only possible thanks to the asphalt runoff. With gravel traps there instead, drivers would quickly learn to apply their brakes again to avoid collisions. Even if secondary collisions still happened, they would be happening at lower speeds and be less likely to be fatal.
Yes gravel can be effective but it has it's own issues. Look at Sebring this year and even at slow speeds a Ferrari GT car hit the gravel and barell rolled. So an open wheel car digging in at high speed like Eau Rouge will launch it.
@@bmstylee I saw a video compilation of crashes at Eau Rouge / Radillon recently. In one of the incidents, a car did get launched over the barrier, and that was in the tarmac era. So it can happen either way. If a car digs into gravel, it at least loses significant amounts of speed while doing so, making a potential impact into the catch fence more survivable.
I searched for the Sebring crash you mentioned and only found one where the car (a 488 GTE) flipped *after* impacting the barriers. That doesn't seem too dangerous. Definitely better than rebounding to the race track.
It's not about protecting drivers from any kind of harm. That's impossible. If you go off at Eau Rouge or Radillon, it's gonna hurt. The advanced crash structures of racing cars are there for a reason, and they will be needed. It's about preventing the catastrophic crashes, the ones where even the strongest crash structures can't help you any more.
How sad they let them race in those dangerous conditions. Unforgivable
@@simonbrunner3062 definitely. If you get it wrong it will bite hard. The Cadillac Hypercar comes to mind from this year.
@@bmstyleeor Alonso's big scare in Australia
I dont think that zone is right for a gravel trap, that's asking for a car to roll into a fan zone
It’s what they are paid to do, you shouldn’t do it otherwise
Wasn't it the visibility ??
yes it was but the car bounced back out on the track so it is like a combination
Yes. The race director really wanted to finish the race under green. There was a safety car phase before the accident and after that I think there were only 1-2 laps left. That was a damn bad decision because the cars are very close together after a restart. If you then add the rain, it's a disaster waiting to happen.
It's a combination of racing in wet weather and an unsafe track that bounces cars back onto the track when they hit the wall.
@@Fernando_Racing Nobody bounced back out of the barrier at Eau Rouge, but slipped on the wet kerb, spun away and landed in the guardrail opposite.
That's why we need put chicane in eau rogue 👍
This had nothing to do with the corner, this happened on the straight afterwards. A straight like many many others on many many other tracks. The problem was the condition of the weather in which the race was restarted, a restart that should not have happened.
Nothing "needs to change" - injury/loss of life is a part of high risk sports. If you don't like it, become a kindergarten teacher.
Per Alonso, it was more weather-related (visibility) than speed, so it appears that racing only in dry or drying conditions should be key.
Er, no. Racing in the wet highlights the best drivers.
@@martingonzalez2850full 2019 wets no.
@martingonzalez2850 don't disagree but when you see those on board camera views and can't see anything through the spray you know it's a tad too wet.
@@realnohatThat was pretty normal before the Americans took over.
The IOM TT has on average three deaths per race, they know the risks.
Two people dying in four years is far from 'high' and it was by 'junior' racers....it's the racers that need to be looked at, not the track.
That was my first thought. Muppets like this will see the TT banned in future.
dilano's crash wasnt cuz the run-off area wasn't enough or anything. it was raining quite heavily, he spun out and another car behind him, cuz of low visibility, went and crashed into the side of dilano's car
Why aren't the drivers complaining of the inherent danger of racing, only these soy boy nerd reporters that never drove a race car crying about something that they will never experience. I'm a racer and I'm all for safety but I know the risk involved in the sport I love. I would be devastated that one of the most iconic corners would dissapear forever because cowardly nerds complaining because they can't handle the trauma of death. "A coward dies a thousand times before his death, but the valiant taste of death but once. It seems to me most strange that men should fear, seeing that death, a necessary end, will come when it will come" William Shakespeare.
I was racing in a historic Formula junior race in 2005. A steering arm broke at the top of Eau Rouge, and I spun into the Tyre wall. Due to the layout, the car hit the Tyre wall 'head on' except that it was the tail that hit first. My injuries included a broken back, that put me in a wheelchair. The hospital at Liege was excellent and I eventually got home to England. I contacted the Formula 1 drivers association, I think it was David Coulthard who organized an inspection of the Tyre wall layout, and the circuit did change the layout to make it safer. Motor racing IS dangerous, but circuits should do their best to reduce dangerous places. During races, I believe that experienced drivers should assist the stewards, and the clerk of the course, to make safety decisions. I think this is done occasionally, with good results.
Leave the track as it is ! Every Driver knows the risk
Put up a bigass screen at the crest of the hill showing what is going on in the blind spot.
Why aren't the drivers complaining of the inherent danger of racing, only these soy boy nerd reporters that never drove a race car crying about something that they will never experience. I'm a racer and I'm all for safety but I know the risk involved in the sport I love. I would be devastated that one of the most iconic corners would dissapear forever because cowardly nerds complaining because they can't handle the trauma of death. "A coward dies a thousand times before his death, but the valiant taste of death but once. It seems to me most strange that men should fear, seeing that death, a necessary end, will come when it will come" William Shakespeare.
Ahh yes so the drivers can watch tv going through one of the fastest corners in F1.
Smart thinking there fart smeller.
@@The.Drunk-Koalahey hey calm down he was just under the influence of crack coccaine poppy plant
We should stop skydiving because people have died. Also stop eating because people have choked and died. Get rid of water because people drown. Let's get rid of.....
Careful, you might implode with that attitude.
I'm truly appalled that expanding runoff areas have not even been talked about yet. It's an iconic section of track, no need to change it, but the bumpers that send cars back into a blind summit to meet other cars at high speed is unacceptable at this age of racing. Put in that money, redo the runoff areas, quit playing with racer's lives to save a quick buck.
It happened way down the straight, so that argument is invalid.
Please try again
@@mortenfrosthansen84 To clarify, the "bumpers that send cars back into a blind summit" is past the turns. They need to keep the walls from narrowing into Kemmel Straight.
@@adysun doesn't really matter, when it's such conditions.. then it could happen anywhere.
But I do see your point.
Accidents can and will happen at any point of the circuit. And racing is dangerous.. it's not like anyone pointed a gun at him to drive
=RUNOFF AREAS WERE WITH GRAVEL AND PREFECTLY DEALT WITH WHATEVER
............BUT LATER THEY VE BEEN PUT INTO ASPHALT FOR MAKE RADIION MORE FORGIVING..........BUT TOO MUCH
................SO,IF GRAVEL WOULD VE BEEN RETURNED,RADIION WILL BE SAFE AGAIN..........
Cancel car racing and all will be safer.. 😂
Amateurs should stop racing rather than changing the layout to meet low tier pilots
Never change it , we all know the risk of racing that's why we love it !
Why do people keep talking about the corner? This crash didn't happen at Eau Rouge it happened on the Kemmel Straight. If you race in zero visibility with cars hydro planing everywhere any straight will become dangerous. It's kind of annoying seeing a racing channel with this stature spread this type of nonsense instead of talking about the actual reasons the accident occurred.
Every time I think of Eau Rouge, I think of Stefan Bellof.
But please, don’t change Spa!!
Automatic red flag: make a automatic system that notice stopped cars on the straight. If car is stopping on blind spot then automatically raise red flag.
The junior drivers need to be told to slow down, the track's layout is completely fine, if F1 could keep it on the track other categories could too because of the speed of F1 is way higher so please don't change the layout, change the safety of the cars no matter the cost.
thats the stupidest thing ive ever heard, thats like saying tell the drivers to stop doing their job.
No drivers going to slow down that goes against their fundamental nature. Instead they can change the runoff area to make it safer
i mean look at landos crash a few years back and tell me they can keep it on track. if im not mistaken too checo almost had a very big crash but barley saved it. also why blame the drivers when f1 did 3 laps under saftey car and said "thats the race you got what you paid for" but they cant do it now?
100% agreed if it's putting lives at risk it should be changed no matter how famous it is 💯💯
13 people have died on mount everest this year. Lets rebuild the mountain, make it lower and safer , something must be done.
Spa is great, and need to stay asis. Stop inexperienced f3 and f2 driveres from racing here. Keep f1, wec, gt3 on the track as it is
Ah yes because climbing a mountain is the same as driving a car which is designed to be as safe as possible.
"Spa is great, so I don't care about drivers dying, keep it so more young men die!" - you.
@@tuna5618He spun on a straight. No one can survive a T-bone crash in a straight in any track.
If you want absolute safety then go watch or play e-sports.
@@paperplane-db8qfthe car that caused him to spin did so at raidillon and caused him to be side ways to get t-boned.
Nah this obsession with finishing under green flags by race directors needs to change. I wonder if this bad pr is being pushed by people who want their curcuit on the calander over spa.
That makes zero sense here being a feeder series no one watches
This has nothing to do with the layout of spa. This was about the race director making the wrong decisions. (Green flag in a rain race with 0 visibility) and it also happened on the kemmel straight and not in a corner
I have a simple suggestion for races in wet conditions :
They should put LED lights that will be activated in the rain ; if there is a yellow flag in a sector it turns yellow and red for a red flag 🚩
That's brilliant actually
@@tonyh2181 thank you 🙏🏾 I mean the LED would be somewhere on the rear wings where the pilot automatically and naturally look on the car right in front of him. But the problem is that I don’t want them to get hypnotized they could be less aware from what is happening around them maybe idk 🤷🏾♂️
@@Dohmk Well they already have the red light in the back for various purposes I don't think it would be much different for them to adapt to the different LED. I like your idea a lot.
Pretty sure he was a good chunk down the straight when it happened, I keep seeing people blame the corner but it wasn’t that. It was the wet conditions. No need to change shit just stop fucking racing in the wet here. It’s simple
It was bone dry in 2019 and it still killed someone who came off at the same point the first car lost control in this crash.
@@jameswest9388 Completely different kinds of crashes in different places. Try to keep up.
The most iconic corner in f1. They aren’t changing that.
Its not Spa's fault, this could happen at any track.
Random suggestion... make f1 cars to have a mandatory mounting point for the entire wheel covers, those will only be used during the rain because the one and only bad thing about the rain is the nonexistent visability. Ofc those mounting points will be as small as possible or maybe even completely detachable so you can attach them and the wheel covers when needed. That way we'll get to see wet weather racing and not jost the first car and the big white cloud
It will take longer for a dryer line to appear tho.
Was watching an interview with Mario where he was reminding us that back in the day they lost a driver or two a week. Racing is dangerous.
Racing is inherently dangerous. You can’t race in a padded room. Every driver knows this.
Why aren't the drivers complaining of the inherent danger of racing, only these soy boy nerd reporters that never drove a race car crying about something that they will never experience. I'm a racer and I'm all for safety but I know the risk involved in the sport I love. I would be devastated that one of the most iconic corners would dissapear forever because cowardly nerds complaining because they can't handle the trauma of death. "A coward dies a thousand times before his death, but the valiant taste of death but once. It seems to me most strange that men should fear, seeing that death, a necessary end, will come when it will come" William Shakespeare.
Yes you can it’s called sim racing
The latest fatality should weigh heavily on the race director and stewards on the day. Almost all of the current F1 paddock agree they shouldn't have restarted under those conditions. The governing bodies obviously did not learn anything from the previous incidents. Safety of all participants [drivers, support staff, etc.] should come above anything else. Until it does, these kinds of accidents will continue to happen.
Seeing the wet condition like that reminds me of Seb's radio in 2021 qualifying
Nonsense as a racer we know the dangers
If you cannot take the risk don't race. Do not change SPA!
Sorry but the FIA must change. In these conditions they are always way to slow with Red Flags and slowing down cars.
That's what makes his tracks so fun. High-risk high-reward.
Its not Eau Rouge that needs to be changed its the barriers at the sides as they bounce cars back on to the track. Change the run off , solve the problem. Also the weather in that race was horrendous and should have been postponed
It didn't happen at Eau rouge though
Why aren't the drivers complaining of the inherent danger of racing, only these soy boy nerd reporters that never drove a race car crying about something that they will never experience. I'm a racer and I'm all for safety but I know the risk involved in the sport I love. I would be devastated that one of the most iconic corners would dissapear forever because cowardly nerds complaining because they can't handle the trauma of death. "A coward dies a thousand times before his death, but the valiant taste of death but once. It seems to me most strange that men should fear, seeing that death, a necessary end, will come when it will come" William Shakespeare.
Or, you know, not drive when it is that wet.
Both can be true at once, I don't see why the safety-haters need to only take one side.
@@tuna5618just so you know, the accident happened quite a bit further away from raidillon. It was basically on the kemmel straight. Tell me why you would need a run-off area on a straight when there are so many street tracks that dont have them at all.
@@tuna5618 Where does that "safety haters" claim come from?? Last time I checked rain is a safety risk. Main cause of death was the driver hitting the other not seeing him at all due to the rain.
Just don’t run when the weather doesn’t allow to… beyond a certain amount of rain, you should not race…
If you’re changing it, bring back the original 1950s Spa version when Eau Rouge was a hairpin. That road still exists, and the track can easily be rerouted after some repaving.
The weather caused the crash. A chaotic restart in the wet was bound to cause catastrophic accidents. Quit blaming circuits for the failures of drivers, manufacturers, and organizers.
Every sport is dangerous!
Without risk there is no challenge this is why motorsports are highly liked
Are you saying you only like motorsports because people die sometimes? Are you actually evil?
@@tuna5618it certainly ads to the spectacle. But if safety improvements can be made then they must be made
@@tuna5618No, because motorsport is about being on the limit, which also means on the limit of danger. No one really wants to die, but it's still part of it
@@tuna5618 No one is forcing the drivers to take part and there will always be risks invloved. We do not need to neuter tracks any more, especially Spa which has been neutered enough. If the drivers feel it is unsafe they can choose not to race there, the fact that none do so is telling.
There's inherent risk in racing. If you take all the risk away, its not the same sport
I'd put there a HUGE LED-Wall that instantly indicates if something waiting for a driver up the hill (crashed car, debry, etc.), indicatin that driver must slow down inmediately
Here is an idea, hold the people to account. That race should not have been run in those conditions.
No changes they knew the risks and my condolences go out too his family
A very big issue with these young drivers is that they never ever slow down under yellow flags or when they see people go off in front of them. Hubert accident showed this when other drivers went flat out off the circuit and on the run off area - this keeps on happening with these championships
The issue is how steep each side is. There simply isn’t enough space for more runoff.
gravel
@@viktorbengtsson676 maybe, potentially even that stuff used at paul riccard
This journalist is probably why we didn't get to play Quidditch in Harry Potter Legacy.
Antoine RIP
don't change it. need people to understand that it's not just fucking spa that's dangerous. drivers don't ever forget what they're coming into. dont fucking back out now. it's too scary? DONT RACE
If you're going to completely alter the track, then there's no appeal of racing there.
It's an amazing track and if you take away what makes it great, it's basically a death sentence for the venue so close to them just securing their immediate future.
Perhaps the chassis of the lower formula cars need to be changed to accommodate the speeds and angles of attack that can occur at Spa. Otherwise remove it from the lower formulas if its more dangerous for them than the drivers in F1 cars. The accidents that have occurred there recently in sports cars for example show that the track is perfectly safe for fast cars and it's only in the lower single seat formulas where fatalities have occurred. Did they change the cars post Hubert's that much.... I don't think they did, F1 had a big shift after Grosjean's fireball but in my view, the F2 cars seem the same as they were in 2019 and the same must be the case with these lower formula cars.
Exactly, we saw high speed crashes in F1 without any fatalities in Spa. F1 chassis are much more tougher than the trash cans on wheels used by F2 and FRECA that lead to fatalities at the Raidillon.
"There is no appeal to this track unless a very specific and dangerous configuration is kept"
Spa have been altered before, silverstone has been altered a TONNE, monza has changed significantly as well.
@@tuna5618 they've all changed a lot from their inception... yes, but not in the last 20 years. They just spent millions on revamping the track from even before the flooding last year in the interests of safety. But this happened anyway. The didn't make mistakes in the design, it's just bad luck. Some people don't like that bad things just happen and that everything that can be done to prevent them should be done.
Motorsport is dangerous. Human beings are not biologically designed to fly along at near 200mph and stop suddenly safely. You can't change that.
The lower formula cars are not fit for purpose at a track like Spa at this moment, they need to be changed.
Also, Silverstone was never changed in regards to safety... That was purely a move to ensure the commercial value of the track for the decades to come, allow for more layouts, more grandstands, infrastructure etc. On-track safety at Silverstone was never even in question.
If you do not wish to die stay at home on the couch. If you are a racedriver there are risks.
Don't change Spa! Modify races accordingly during treacherous conditions. Problem solved.
FIA don't know how to do that.
That logic doesn't apply to the FIA apparently
Why aren't the drivers complaining of the inherent danger of racing, only these soy boy nerd reporters that never drove a race car crying about something that they will never experience. I'm a racer and I'm all for safety but I know the risk involved in the sport I love. I would be devastated that one of the most iconic corners would dissapear forever because cowardly nerds complaining because they can't handle the trauma of death. "A coward dies a thousand times before his death, but the valiant taste of death but once. It seems to me most strange that men should fear, seeing that death, a necessary end, will come when it will come" William Shakespeare.
If they modify that circuit it will totally lose its charm...
The maker of this video has no idea of what is racing, end of story
If you said it that way just cancel the whole F1 already let's not have a motorsport race anymore no F1 no crash right
Why aren't the drivers complaining of the inherent danger of racing, only these soy boy nerd reporters that never drove a race car crying about something that they will never experience. I'm a racer and I'm all for safety but I know the risk involved in the sport I love. I would be devastated that one of the most iconic corners would dissapear forever because cowardly nerds complaining because they can't handle the trauma of death. "A coward dies a thousand times before his death, but the valiant taste of death but once. It seems to me most strange that men should fear, seeing that death, a necessary end, will come when it will come" William Shakespeare.
or drivers could just slow down on yellow flag situations...
Blame the drivers when a driver dies! That's always the solution!
The FIA blamed jules bianchi as well you know.
@@tuna5618 seeing the crash, you can see some drivers being really wreckless given the conditions. This particular tragedy had nothing to do with the track layout.