What Do BELGIANS Think Of The DUTCH?
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- I've heard so much about what the Dutch think of Belgians, it was time I crossed the border to get the other side of the story. Check out the video to see the responses!
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Belgium is like a younger sibling to the Dutch. We tease them a little, but it's family. We will always stand by them.
In my experiences with Belgians, I often get the feeling that they distrust me as a Dutchman. They are reserved and sometimes I get the feeling they are rather underhanded. People like in this video I have only rarely come across, a pity, a real pity.
Wie is 'we'? ... Ik sluit me hier niet bij aan. Belgen heb je niks aan.
Definitely! I feel like mostly the south of the Netherlands feels this way cause we're closer to eachother, idk about the rest of the Netherlands though. Honestly if we have beef with anyone, I think Germany falls into that category more than Belgium. Because of the 2 wars they started 😬 I know a lot of older people especially don't trust Germans.. I've only heard good things about Belgians though and if they weren't good, they were just mean jokes but I've never met anyone who seriously hates Belgians or anything. I'd rather not associate with people like that anyways.
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Belgische mensen niks mis mee🧡
Strijder! Alles in het Nederlands, bro zo ziek om te zien dat je zo je best doet voor onze taal/cultuur
Dankjewel man!!
Ik kwam hier ook om dit te zeggen. Respect!
BRO ZO ZIEK...is deels geen Nederlands en ZIEK is een slecht woord om te gebruiken ipv goed. Let een beetje op de Nederlandse taal. Straattaal is echt cultuur verarming
@@monicacarolina6480 ach houd je mond toch. Wat een pretverpester ben jij.
@@drvissie eh nee, ik ben direct. Bro en ziek gebruiken in plaats van goed is taal verloedering. Zieke mensen verpleeg ik op de ICU. En niet zo persoonlijk worden he professor. Niet netjes.
Thanks Vlaanderen! De eerste 2 woorden die bij mij door m’n hoofd gingen toen ik de titel zag waren: “gierig en arrogant” daarna pas direct 😅
Ben blij dat jullie toch nog zo positief zijn! 😃
Dat arrogante herken ik wel. Dat gierige is betrekkelijk vind ik, beetje achterhaald cliché. Maar ik woon in Brabant, dat scheelt misschien.
@@HenkvanMierlo ik ga er vanuit dat je “Noord” Brabant bedoeld…
De enige Belgen die mij arrogant zien doen dat zijn alleen de Walen! 😁
Belgen zijn net zo gierig als Nederlanders. Als zij iets gratis kunnen krijgen, staan ze ook vooraan in de rij. Nederlanders komen er echter wel eerlijk voor uit als ze gierig zijn, ze proberen het niet te verhullen. 😉
@@ronaldvanhemiksem3544 dan kom je toch weer uit bij: “Nederlanders zijn directer”
Ja als ik in nederland rondloop kan ik meer mezelf zijn dan hier in vlaanderen. Hier moet je je meer aan een etikette houden maar het is toch niet zo erg als in andere landen. Valt nog mee
Being Dutch myself, it's lovely to see this video! Thank you for you content.
Thank you for watching and for the positive feedback! :)
Je spreekt echt al goed Nederlands!! Ga zo door met je video’s ze zijn echt leuk!!💯💯💯
Dankjewel!!!
Thank you for this interesting video! We live in the Netherlands and we wondered what Belgians thing about the Dutch....... Hugs from Almere!
Thank you for watching and I'm glad you found it interesting! You also make great videos! Really cool to see you here
Wow! Another interesting insight video.
An American inquiring in Belgium on their opinion of the Dutch.
I have Belgian friends, who I dearly love to have around. Once a year, January, I go to the „soldes" (sale) in Antwerp.
It's funny hearing the Brazilian Belgian saying the Dutch have a funny accent. I love the Belgian accent. It makes me mellow. They sound so sweet. They are regarded overpolite, since they use the formal „u" while in the Netherlands we use „jij" for regular conversation, while "u" is used for elder and higher ranked or people you do not know.
You use „jij / jou" constantly since in English there is no distinction.
I took my Belgian people to Dutch parties, and I went with them to Belgian parties.
They told me that Belgians anxiously await the arrival of Dutch people, since they will get the parties started.
The Dutch have no reservations, so they talk, they dance, they drink, while the Belgians tend to be way more aloof.
🎊💃🎉🕺👯
They all love us and we love them.
Love to read this!
Het is zelden dat iemand onze taal zo goed spreekt en deze niet als moedertaal heeft. Verslavend grappig! En ook mooi hoe je deze cultuur laat zien
In the Netherlands, from a young age, they teach us to speak up. As soon as you enter school at 4yo every Monday you're expected to summarize your weekend in front of the entire class. Later on you're asked/tasked to form opinions about different subjects rather than just learning about them.
This here. Now I don't know if this is a global thing or just my middle school because I only went to one middle school but... Schools here have "maatschappijleer" which to those not in the know is basically everything related to current day politics and socially acceptable practice in society. The norms and values of the world around us so to speak. But what I loved about how we did the subject is that they basically told everyone, as long as you can properly vocalize and support your opinion it can not be graded as wrong on tests. So say there's a politician and you absolutely hate their guts. Now if on a test you're like oh yea fck him because he's a big fat poopy face, yea alright that's a fail even if the teacher hates him as well. But if the teacher loves the dude and you say I dislike him because he has a and b and c policy and that hurts the way I or my friends or parents want to live life, instant points no matter how much the teacher disagrees with you. It's been pretty encouraging to voice my opinion on things but also to properly sit down and see how I want to voice it because it truly does matter when you disagree about something whether you can do so calmly and respectfully.
@@reznovvazileski3193 Yep XD. I remember when Islam was the topic. The teacher started saying lies/mistakes and I felt like I had to step up and correct him. We had a civil discussion and I pointed out his mistakes by displaying the contrary showing evidence from our scriptures. We even had discussion about homosexuality. You really learn that it is okay to have an opinion, vocalize it and agree to disagree as long as you maintain respect for each other.
I hope the room for discussion will always be present. I feel like it is disappearing and slowly replaced for blind indoctrination.
@@moslimislam5714 Yeah idk what happened but somewhere along the way many people fell to the fallacy that only 1 opinion can be correct at a time. Though obviously for two entirely different people two entirely different things are going to be objectively better to their lives. So their opinions are going to differ and both be correct in their own perspective already that way. This is why being adult enough to agree that you can't see things the same is so important for a functioning society. More so even now everyone can voice their opinion to the entire world in 3 seconds.
It's the same (well, it *was* the same but no longer) in the US, going back a long time. I'm in my early 40s; as a child my family lived in every region of the US and I remember that summarizing your weekend in front of the class used to be common/standard practice in primary schools across the country, no matter the region, religious affiliation, political leanings, student demographics or socioeconomic status of the school. It was simply a matter of greater societal values (encouraging public/social assertiveness, individualism, etc.) and "this is what we do as Americans". I don't know when it went out of style, I just remember learning (as an adult) that it's rarely done in public schools anymore.
Another practice that used to be common/standard (but that I learned is also increasingly rare now) in American public primary schools is Show & Tell (where you bring in a special object or pet from your personal life and give the class a presentation on it to display what your interests and opinions are- a first lesson in public speaking). My family also lived in/on 11 other countries and islands around the world; when I started a new school in the Philippines I excitedly asked my teacher when the next Show & Tell was going to be and she was shocked- she couldn't understand why I would want to do something so "flashy" and "ungracious".
... I can totally understand how Belgians would feel mortified by these kinds of cultural differences, given their values and temperaments.
I have to say I did not expect the Belgians to be so positive about us. Maar het is wederzijds! Ik ben gek op België, en jullie maken het beste bier ter wereld!
Belgians don’t like people from Antwerp, the Dutch do like Antwerp a lot. Maybe there is a different type of bond between Antwerp and the Netherlands, than with the rest of Belgium. At least that’s my experience when talking to Belgians.
The Belgians hating on Antwerp is just meant as a joke tho. I'm from West-Vlaanderen, and love Antwerp.
I'm from Antwerp. The stereotype about people here is that we are arrogant. This is only partly true (to some extend). I think this is because we also have a certain directness which is more like the Dutch. So maybe this is why. I spend alot of time in the Netherlands. Mostly for music festivals and i always get along very well with the Dutch. Their "directness" doens't feel very rude to me. I guess because i'm more used to it than the rest of Belgium. Its also pretty close to the border. From where i live i could be in the Netherlands in 15-20 minutes.
Yes, Antwerp is more city like and therefore it is more like the Netherlands.. Brussels too. Many places in the rest of Belgium are like villages or small cities and therefore less similar to the Netherlands mentaliteit and culture
mentality
From my experience Dutch and Belgian people both like to mock the other country and make fun of them, but it's almost never actually serious. Maybe it's just our way of humour, I am from Groningen and over here we like to mock the Frisians, but it's only the ignorant that mean any of it.
echt cool dat je zo je best doet om onze taal/cultuur te leren. je klinkt fucking goed man💪💪
Dankjewel! :)
Much love from Flanders. We are family. They are brothers.
Denk dat ik, en met mij meer Hollanders, , blijer ben met de Belgische mensen, dan de Belgen met ons zijn. Volgens mij zijn wij heel erg aanwezig. Zo'n idee heb ik.
Ik love België, btw ♥️
ik ben vrij verbaasd dat het woord "kaaskop" geen enkele keer is voor gekomen in de video. misschien heb ik toch de foute impressie op mijn eigen volk! bedankt voor de leuke video!
I live in south of NL. For 2 years I took this car upholstery course in Neerpelt, just acros the border. I have nothing negative to say about them😊. Very funny accent, sometimes a bit hard to understand if it's a local dialect. One funny thing they joked about with the Dutch and the Netherlands was about the world wide web.... Take any Dutch thing. Like fietsenwinkel, bed, gordijn, lamp, studieboek, whatever. Put a ".nl" behind it and guaranteed that there's a website that sells these things. There's a .nl for EVERYTHING 🤣.
lol 😂
when i go to Lidl in Nederland not only people on the cassa but clients say you "Hallo" , i ask my self "what i done wrong , hehehhe". In Belgium they dont say hallo so easy.
Nogal een verschil waar je bent in België. Als Nederlander hou ik van Vlaanderen en de mensen daar. Wallonië daarentegen... 😂 Ken niet veel mensen in België maar die ik ken zien Wallonië volgens mij graag bij Frankrijk horen. Wel grappig hoe verdeeld België is gezien het formaat van het land.
AGAIN another nice video👍🏾
So true the food in Belgium is DELICIOUS !!!!😁
Thank you!
1:15 i can't believe you got Stan Lee to do a cameo in your video
Love it! Thanks man!
0:19 de intonatie hier is... perfect.
Dit is een Nederlander.
Haha dankjewel! Ik denk mijn accent nog heel slecht is maar hopelijk wordt het beter.
@@exploringtheforeign ah joh dat komt vanzelf wel, ga vooral door met spreken! Dat ik dit kanaal heb gevonden is puur genieten
En wat het onderwerp van deze video betreft vind ik, als Nederlander, dat het eigenlijk beschamend is hoe weinig wij ons in Nederland bezig houden met onze buurlanden; als ik alle provincies van België met hun hoofdsteden erbij zou moeten opnoemen, dan heb ik eigenlijk geen idee; ik kom niet verder dan dat ik zelf toevallig heb geleerd dat Brugge, Gent en Antwerpen bestaan, en dat ik weet dat er ook nog ergens een Brabant en een Limburg zijn. Op school vertelden ze ons daar nooit wat over; hetzelfde geldt voor Duitsland.
Vraag maar aan de doorsnee Nederlander waar Oldenburg ligt; de antwoorden op die vraag zullen me benieuwen. (Oldenburg is een stad in Duitsland; hemelsbreed ligt het van Groningen zo ongeveer even ver weg als Amsterdam.)
Eigenlijk heel Europa. We leren er veel te weinig over. Daar komt alleen maar onwetendheid en onbegrip van, en dat is jammer.
Maar goed; om de Vlamingen in deze video zo vriendelijk te horen praten terwijl wij hier in Nederland toch telkens met minachting naar onze zuiderburen kijken, da's op een bepaalde manier verfrissend.
Ik ben trouwens ook benieuwd om te horen of je het er zelf anders vond, in Antwerpen; het gevoel van de stad, de mensen daar.
Afijn, ik zie graag weer je video's verschijnen
Joe joe fijne avond
P.S. ik heb het weer ff langgemaakt hier hahah
Interesting topic. So that Ferris wheel is actually in Antwerp. I didn't know they had one there, but it is a long time since I was there. Years ago I stayed with a family in Antwerp and had no problem understanding them when they spoke to me in Dutch/Flemish. However, one evening we went out with a bunch of their friends and that was when I got totally lost in the conversation. Sometimes I try watching Flemish videos here on UA-cam and despair that I can hardly understand anything whereas I have no problem with the Dutch spoken anywhere in the Netherlands. The Dutch used to tell jokes about Belgians the same way as we Brits used to joke about the Irish. All totally politically incorrect now in Britain to joke about the Irish.
Haha, yeah, you had a good guess! And funny enough, I didn't find them as hard to understand as I thought I would! I was actually surprised that they understood me haha.
Me, Dutch, just came from Gent and Brugge. Tried to understand the conversation of the locals among eachother. Forget it. And i’m from Brabant. Hmmm 🤔. I mean, we used to be 1 duchy once.
@@louisdewit4429 Ik ben blij dat jij als Nederlander daar ook moeite mee hebt. 🤣
@@louisdewit4429 Je moet de stripboeken van Urbanus maar ereis bestuderen. Dat is eel leerzaam...
Great content!
Thank you!
Its funny, but during my work in the Netherlands in guest services some of the funniest and most enjoyable moments I had were typically with Belgians. I feel the Dutch have a lot of "elbow-language" in the sense that, while being direct can be a great thing, when they lose patience they also tend to say things that can dramatically turn little problems into worse problems.
Overall I'd say there are positives and negatives for anything though. I appreciate the feedback the Dutch present afterall.
they old guy in the beginning who said the dutch are always ready to help. fun fact during world war 1 when the netherlands was nutral but belgium was one of the main battlefields there were more dutch households offering places to stay for refugees then there were refugees. and today we don't have places for refugees at all for some reason
We love to make fun of belgians, but not as much as love the belgians themselves, I hope they know that. It's like teasing your little brother, nothing but love.
What i think of belgiums as a dutchman "allez plesant he" ik kijk de koers altijd op sporza
Zeker en vast!
Ik ook!
@@mariadebake5483 leuk
This was such a fun video to watch!! Belgium and Dutch people seem to both be lovely people❤I can’t wait to visit!
This video is a fine example of Flemish reticence
Well as a belgian i mostly like the 3 southern provinces of th Netherlands limburg,brabant en zeeland.
I'm so surprised that they see such a difference when you were in Antwerp which is, what, 20km from the Netherlands border. That said, they Dutch are direct (in a good way), very friendly, sociable and loud which i like so i agree with those honest Belgians; i like the Dutch. I'm just surprised they see a difference when there so little distance.
Lovely video!
Thank you!
Als kassenbouwer werk ik veel in Belgie en heb nooit geen problemen met de mensen, ze zijn ook rustiger als ons en daar kunnen wij Ollanders wel wat van leren want hier lopen we ons soms de beentjes onder de kont vandaan ;p
Groetjes uit het bijna Belgie, Breda 🤗
I'm a Belgian from Antwerp my grandparents from my mothers side are a mix Belgian/Dutch. They are extremly flamish minded.. nothing is better then Antwerp in their mind. But to me , I love Antwerp but I have more a thing for the Dutch. I call flamish people " Dutch people in denial."
They don't like the 'parking'?
@@tijldeclerck7772 nope they absolutely don't 😂
In my experience I find that often Dutch directness borders the offensive as in stating their opinion in such a way that it possibly ignores the feelings of the other person, the context or situation. Dutch openness can be as subtle as throwing a brick through the window 😉
Als brabander zijnde heb ik meer met Belgen dan met de Hollanders. Vind de randstad veel onvriendelijker en heb het idee dat ze neerkijken op alles wat buiten de randstad woont
Het is leuk om de Belgen te plagen, maar het zijn lieve mensen, ze hebben humor en het eten is er lekker.
The best beer and the best chocolate in a country with really warm and friendly people, thats Belgium form me
Flanders and the Netherlands belong to each other.
They just have to submerge into one cultural, economic, linguistic and political entity.
Greetings from Amsterdam🤗
Damn, je hebt zo snel verstaanbaar nederlands geleerd, heel veel respect!
Dankjewel, Max!
Nicely presented. 😁😎🤸✨
Thank you!
You have a such realexing voice, nice man hahaha!
I really like the Belgians! When i was in my twenties, i used to go there to party, there was always something open, 24/7! 🕺🏻🥰👌🏼✌🏼
Ik kom graag in België; voor de geweldige mensen, het formidabele eten en de mooie steden en dorpen.
Ik ben Nederlands, maar de Belgen zeggen dat we heel open zijn en zij niet, ik ben eigenlijk het tegenovergestelde van open, dus ik voel me nu gwn Belg haha. Geweldige video zoals altijd
Haha grappig en dankjewel voor het kijken!😃
I wonder what the Belgian people would say about the Dutch, if they would be as direct as the Dutch are =)
Cool man, next, the dutch caribean?
Perhaps! :)
Leuke video!+
Dankjewel!
If you live in Noord-Brabant you get
the best of both worlds !!
WAT JE WAS IN ANTWERPEN IK WOON DAAR waarom heb ik je niet kunnen zien :)
volgenede keer! :)
@@exploringtheforeign Zeker :)
Gedurende de Eerste Wereldoorlog nam Nederland een miljoen Belgische oorlogsvluchtelingen op. Veel oudere Belgen herinneren zich dat nog wel.
6:40 Dat is wederzijds.
I don't want to be negative but I think if you would have gone a bit more inland , you might have heard some more stereotypes but that might also just be because Antwerp is a much more popular city for dutch people due to its proximity and connectivity to the Netherlands.
If Dutch people are honest they may be much more positive about Belgium. This Dutch song is proof of that: ua-cam.com/video/MTVnMO6cRfg/v-deo.html It was a number 1 hit in the Netherlands. We Belgians were never that extatic about the Netherlands.
My fathers family descended from Belgium, but from Wallonia. The French part of Belgium is seldom, if ever, represented in any of these surveys. I think that’s unfortunate.
Because they are a lot more like the French, and nobody likes the French. And people in Flanders have to pay taxes so that the lazy Walloons can survive. We don't like each other, that's for sure.
Those two ladies at 4:30, did you call them "jij"? Did I hear it wrong or is it normal?
Yeah I used "jij", as someone that's learning Dutch, it doesn't click in my mind to use "u"
We are one people!
Ik kom uit Nederland en het is eigenlijk helemaal geen issue en Belgen zijn aardige mensen 💯🙂👌
You know, you only visited flanders, the northern part of Belgium which was in fact the United Netherlands. So 200y ago, there was a revolution in Brussels and Wallonia and Brussels claimed Flanders. We are the same people. Our dialects cross over fluently on the border. Go to Wallonia and ask the same questions and they will tell you they dislike Flanders, dislike the Netherlands and dislike our Dutch language. I'm Belgian and partly Dutch.
And in Brussels they are in love with Flanders ?
I'm not gonna lie, with all the jokes about Belgians we've got here I lowkey expected the roasting of a lifetime :') But this is so wholesome...
Don't worry, the Belgians have plenty of jokes about us too ;-)
@@AnimalDreams86 Oh no doubt :p Also I had a Flemish friend over once so I thought we'd order some vlaamse friet. That day I witnessed a 10 minute roasting session about its thickness, consistency, and general lack of darkness on the crust xD Turns out what we call vlaamse friet here most the time is just potato slices cus it's not even made right :p
@@reznovvazileski3193 if there is something we Belgians know something about it fries so yes hehe
Broer kom west vlaanderen hier wonen eerlijke en open mensen MET gevoel voor humor en zonder kut antwerps accent.
Lmao so True.. but personaly i like belgians there nice and open but we do Def roast them a lot 😂
I was pleasantly surprised by the positive opinions of the Belgian people interviewed in Antwerp about their northern neighbors.
I must say it puts the Belgians in a very flattering and endearing light.
I can't help but wonder if one would get the same kind of response in Brussels or Wallonia.
I myself am a white Caribbean man from Curaçao where we have a more complicated relationship and opinion about the Dutch.
I love the Netherlands.
I lived for 15 years in Amsterdam. People were often perplexed by my strange accent and European looks.
I can't count the times I was asked whether I'm Belgian or Scandinavian.
Then I would tell them I'm Caribbean.
By the way, I personally love Belgium and the Belgians. My experience as a tourist in Belgium is very positive.
Brugge and Ghent are two of the most beautiful cities I know.
Tuurlijk zijn de Brusselaars en Walen even vriendelijk voor Nederlanders! We zijn allemaal broers en zusters!
@@718YellowSubmarine De Brusselaars en Walen zijn onnozelaars
I'm from Wallonia and I love Vlaanderen and the Netherlands but I'll give to you that it might not be the popular opinion but still. I'm trying to learn a bunch of languages and improve my nederlands because I haven't practiced it in a while
They were just polite, nothing more.
I bet you’re brown 😂😂
Wat leuk om zulke positieve dingen te horen van onze zuiderburen, de waardering is wederzijds!
Als belg: Mijn ervaringen van nederland zijn altijd positief. Het zijn fijne mensen, en ik probeer die directe houding aan te leren. We blijven uiteindelijk broeders
Dude your Dutch is great, the fact that you can understand Belgians is awesome, their accent is very different from the Dutch we speak in the Netherlands, so props to you for understanding both!
Thank you, Eleni!! :)
zo anders is het nou ook weer niet, ik denk dat elke nederlander belgisch kan verstaan
@@tikket10 Ja, maar Nederlands is niet zijn moedertaal. Het is best knap dat hij hun kan volgen, want accenten en dialecten verstaan en onderscheiden van een taal die niet je moedertaal is, is best moeilijk.
@@tikket10 West Vlaams of plat Antwerps versta je als Nederlander over het algemeen toch veel moeilijker hoor!
@@niencat
Klopt, maar dan spreken we niet meer over de taal, "Nederlands", maar over dialecten.
Onze dialecten worden nog vrij verbreid gesproken, omdat ons land nog niet zolang onafhankelijk is en Nederlands zelfs bij de onafhankelijkheid van België (1830) geen officiële taal was.
Dat was namelijk het Frans.
Ook Nederland kent z'n dialecten, maar doordat Nederland al veel langer "het Nederlands" als officiële taal hanteerde, is het natuurlijk al veel beter ingeburgerd en zijn de dialecten weggekwijnd.
Het is mijn overtuiging dat we het overleven van onze taal, ondanks de eeuwenlange bezetting van vreemde mogendheden, aan onze dialecten te danken hebben, die onze voorouders hardnekkig bleven spreken, ongeacht wie er regeerde.
Het heeft een tijdje geduurd, maar dat heeft zelfs de onafhankelijke Belgische (oorspronkelijk Franstalige) staat moeten ervaren en uiteindelijk aanvaarden.
Interessant is op Wikipedia het artikel over de "Geschiedenis van het Nederlands".
Een aanrader, zowel voor Nederlanders als Vlamingen.
As a Belgian in Amsterdam, it was more of a culture shock than I expected. Especially the agenda, how to make friends. It is true that we are a bit more closed, reserved, 'de kat uit de boom kijkend'. But now, when I go back to Belgium, I come across as very opinionated :) also, I read that when girls grow up they learn to speak in a certain pitch, and Dutch women speak in a lower pitch than Flemish women. Si fe living here I have adapted the pitch of my voice, because not being as tall and with a high voice, it was hard to be taken seriously 😆
Belgian here who moved to the Netherlands over a decade ago, I had to seriously up my talking volume here 😂
@@Aylasuki haha, I had the same. And I have to ramp up my level of enthusiasm: where is Belgium everything is 'OK, tof, fijn, plezant', here it is 'zooooo leuk, heeeel gezellig, hartstikke goed' :)
@@anncassano2876 haha yes exactly! People would often not hear/understand me, also because of the accent I guess, in turn I had trouble following them when they spoke fast.
Interesting! Haha
@@Aylasuki Haha yea maybe that's why your accents sound so much more timid than ours :p You guys don't need to sound like Gandalf's "you shall not pass" to get through in a group convo :p
Goeie content, vooral die Belgische jongen die het Nederlandse accent grappig vond was interessant. Dat is hoe veel Nederlanders inderdaad ook over het Belgische accent denken.
En als Randstad Nederlander kan ik sommige zware Nederlandse accenten ook niet verstaan, maar dat geldt ook voor Belgische accenten als bijvoorbeeld West-Vlaams.
Dankjewel, Fark! En ja, ik vond die deel over de accent heel grappig.
Toch is het woordenboek
(of dictionaire) altijd hetzelfde, dus overeenkomstig geweest.
Pas vanaf de late middeleeuwen verschijnen dialect en accent invloeden ...
Maar elk stam-woord is weldegelijk hetzelfde; alleen de uitspraak is streek gevoelig.
@@jsb7975 het grote verschil is dat in Vlaams Nederlands je meer Franse woorden of letterlijk vertaalde Franse woorden tegen komt. Waar in Nederland dat minder sterk is.
Maar ook de betekenis van een woord kan echt iets anders zijn.
@@sirBrouwer Vooral de betekenis van het woord "poepen" is cruciaal.
@@sutreB ik weet niet of je het in beide gevallen veel over hebt in het algemeen. Voor mij was vooral het woord "stappen" een bron van onduidelijkheden. Daar Nederlanders bedoelen om langs de kroegen te gaan en lekker drinken. Stond ik toch wel te kijken dat men in België al om 9.00 naar het centrum wouden gaan stappen.
I've spent a lot of time in Belgium as a Dutch man. Met people at a festival I'm friends with to this day back in 2009. I have to say, I think Dutch openness is really a "script". I think that the Dutch are completely open to engage with new people... insofar the script permits, as the Dutch are very consensus-oriented people. When I was in Belgium once asking directions, I walked up to a group of Flemish people in Ghent and just asked them, and they were somewhat startled at first. And once they knew my intentions, they lit up and answered. I think that's a pretty decent analogy for how Belgian people are with you. You do have to cross a longer birdge to reach them, but once you do, you're also less likely to be kept at arm's length once there. The Dutch are more open in public, but more reserved in private.
Yeah, I've read so many stories of foreign students coming to the Netherlands and having a very hard time making Dutch friends. To be honest though, it's not like being Dutch suddenly makes that easier. It's just that we tend to settle on our friends quite early in our lives.
Hahaha! Well tbh I have lived in Flanders for some years, I had a job and a Flemish boyfriend there, and they won't say it to your face but quite a few Flemish are not very fond of the Dutch! But of course they will NEVER tell you this on camera 😆😆
Aw haha, I told everyone before they answered that they could say whatever, whether good or bad. I hope they weren't holding back haha.
I'm afraid there's some truth in it.
Still most Dutch have no clue. (And in that case at least you gotta love the Dutch...)
I thought the same.. there might be some confounding bias in this. With Belgians being less direct, they therefore probably instinctively give the more socially acceptable (positive) answers, maybe even unknowingly to themselves. It could be so culturally ingrained that they think they answer honestly, but might later reflect and only then remember the negative things they also could’ve added.
Now I don’t know if this is the case, but it could be.
@@Catgirl6Poezebeest Veel Nederlanders die in België wonen hebben ervaring met uitgescholden worden voor "arrogante Hollanders". De Nederlanders bestaat niet, teveel verschil tussen iemand uit de Randstad met bijvoorbeeld iemand uit Friesland of Twente.
@@henriettebrouwer8193 haha, ja, zo praatten wij vroeger in Zuid-Limburg ook over die ‘Huilanders’ in het Noorden (oftewel alles boven Eindhoven/buiten Limburg) 😂. Inmiddels woon ik al jaren boven de rivieren (dankzij de liefde, studie en werk), dus kan het nu niet meer zeggen 😆
Als introverte Brabander (Nederland) voel ik me altijd zoveel chiller in Vlaanderen dan in bijvoorbeeld de Randstad. Vlamingen zijn zoveel rustiger en er is veel minder sociale druk om leuk en interessant te doen.
Rotterdam is het met u eens ! 😉
Ah, precies wat ik ook dacht!
Ben zelf ook meer introvert.
Heb het idee dat de 'directheid' vooral van de randstad/Hollanders komt.
Hier in de Achterhoek zijn we over het algemeen ook meer gemoedelijker en 'kat uit de boom kijkend'.
Wellicht zijn ze in de randstad meer extravert.
Honestly, i think there are few countries that have closer ties than we do. In all aspects of life. We make fun of eachother and may "fight" like siblings, but we will always have eachothers back if an outsider picks on any one of us. I can accept being mocked by the dutch from time to time, coz thats family , it's all good fun, but any one else doing it will have a very bad day 😂. I think the swedes and danes have a similar vibe going on if i'm not mistaken. ✌️❤️🇧🇪🇳🇱
I would love to say the same, but I have come across too many Belgians that could not stand it when a Dutchman or our Dutch national team did very well in championships. It might be a small subset of Belgians and it is indeed confined to sports but what I witnessed was not just a healthy rivalry, they resented that we did better than them. May be it is subsiding and it is reminescent of how we Dutch envied (if that is it) the Germans for always beating us or when they again became Weltmeister...This is something unknown from NL towards Belgium. I day to day life I have again only positive things to say about Belgians.
Het marginale boertige gedrag en het hoge decibel gehalte van Nederlandse jongeren en soms ouder die in België komen citytrippen storen me mateloos. Los van dit heb ik wel persoonlijk veel opgestoken van het open en directe karakter van mijn Noorderburen. Het land en de mensen zijn een inspiratiebron voor mij. 👍
Ik voel met je mee. Ben Rotterdammer en erger me ook aan het quasi spontane gedrag van de jeugd. Maar ja, sunt pueri pueri, pueri puerilia tractant.
Dan ervaart u hetzelfde als vele Amsterdammers als er weer eens een grote groep Engelse jongeren komen citytrippen in Amsterdam.
As a belgian I think one of the biggest reasons we are more timid, not so outspoken and not as proud as French, Dutch, Germans, etc.. is because we always struggled with our identity, we've been ruled over so many times through history (by the dutch, by the spanish, by the french, etc) and only "recently" turned into our own country created by the English as a buffer between the European powerhouses (we have the Dutch to our north, Germans to our east, french in the south and english in the west). And even then we got fucked over in both world wars.
All of that combined with 3 official languages in 1 country makes that the majority of us dont have a strong connection with our country and monarchy (except when our national team plays football)
The Francophones don't mind being west and south in contact with France, they even accept the French cultural domination like any other region of France : its normal when people speak exactly the same language wether in Lille, Bruxelles, Paris or Liège.
The Flanders / Netherlands relationship is a more distant relationship... let's not have any denial on facts.
Het is goed dat België tussen Nederland en Frankrijk ligt, anders hadden we al lang al ruzie met de Franzosen gehad. Leuke Video. Ik hou van België !
Dat is letterlijk de reden waarom Belgie bestaat sinds 1815-1830. Anders had het een provincie van NL of Fra geweest.
@@Edodod de reden dat België apart is is vanwege de tachtig jarige oorlog en de polarisatie van cultuur en religie in die tijd.
De twee waren juist samengevoegd na de Napolische oorlogen om de Fransen in te perken en een bufferstaat van ons te maken.
Belgium people, nothing but respect for them ! And although we're kinda different, we're grosso modo the same..., kind of 2 kids within 1 family: 2 brothers, or 2 sisters or brother and sister, but yet from the same parents ! Belgium (Vlaanderen in ieder geval) feels like visiting your favorit aunt you know your whole life, that also goes for the German part of Belgium near Sankt Vith.
Belgen zijn geweldig ! Rode Duivels...Go! --> You'll probably will have to look this up to be able to understand what I am saying here ;-)
Ik versstaande alles behalve de rode duivels haha
@@exploringtheforeign De Rode Duivels (The Red Devils): Belgium national football team (Belgisch voetbalelftal) 🤘👍
Ah leuk!
While I like Belgium and its inhabitants a lot, I do not feel like they are our brothers or family. I have that with no country at all (could be me) but from all countries I have been to Denmark and the Danes were most similar and I also noted that with Danes that I worked with in NL. They are really like a twin brother that I never knew existed.
We joke about each other when we're in holland or belgium. But best believe we're best friends when we meet abroad
Btw your dutch is really solid keep it up 💪
Haha leuk! En dankjewel voor de compliment over mijn nederlands! :)
@@exploringtheforeign "Het" and "dat" are used for words without a gender (neuter in English/onzijdig in Dutch), and "de" and "die" are used for feminine (vrouwelijke) or masculine (mannelijke) words. 👍
Nederlanders zullen altijd mijn vrienden zijn. Veel liefde van Limburg!!
Enjoyed this video a lot. Also impressed by how you're able to understand the differences in accents so easily considering how far apart the accents can be!! This was a fun video! Also, love you seeing living your best life in the lowlands~!
Wow! Thank you! Really appreciate this :)
To me this was really surprising. I'd have thought they would think the Dutch are loud and rude. I find the Belgians much more polite. But then again... that maybe just the reason for their comments, they are to nice and polite to say something negative! ;) (I'm Dutch btw)
Haha yeah I was surprised as well with all of the positivity (not that I don't think the Dutch are good people, I just didn't expect most things to be nice)
i agree, the Belgian people i have met in my travels are much more polite and friendly than the Dutch. (I am Dutch myself). And their accent is really so soft and sweet.
They do think we're loud and rude. It's just that they have found a way of saying so without being rude but we're a bit too "direct" to pick up on that.
@@13tuyuti Yes, that is what I meant. (with the risk of being rude) 😂
Belgian here, I still remember how my first boss was really annoyed with people from Dutch companies. We had a more formal style, if you mailed people you didn' t know, you adressed them by mr/ms 'surname', definetely when they have higher up positions. He got mails from Dutch low level employees starting mails with "Hi Luc'. We definetely wouldn't adress the CEO of another company by the first name.
The thing here in Belgium is that most Belgians will try to say it in a very nice way while being more blunt when saying it behind your back! :P And by the way, MANY zoomers or other young people are VERY DIRECT!
I come from the Netherland and I love my southern neighbours. The countryside is beautiful and unique, the peolple are nice and very soft (in a friendly way) and the cities are very clean. (The roads are horrible though. Sorry) much love you frieteters❤️
Stiekem vinden Belgen Nederlanders ook gierig, maar gaan ze niet op camera zeggen. Ook wel "arrogant" en "flets voedsel"
Vaya,el refugiado independentista(seguro que vives en belgica)hablando de los defectos de otros.como te debe dolor que en el extranjero tengas que mostrar el pasaporte ESPAÑOL🤣
Belgians are basically like us, just a slightly different flavor. No big deal. I don’t see Belgians and Dutch ever not being friends.
Didn’t expect anything else from our friendly neighbors. You’re getting famous by the way bro, I showed our selfy to my colleagues and the response was, yeah we’ve seen videos of him on YT. Before you know it you’re a BN-er.😂 Mark my words.
Hunchback!! (using your UA-cam name for your privacy haha) that's hilarious! I hope they were fans of the videos haha. I look forward to hanging out again!
You should have asked a police officer. I know some that work near the border and they complain that Dutch people always ask 'waarom'. 'Alleh jongen waarom moeten die ametanterikken altij commentaar hebben', But honestly I'm surprised by the positive reactions even though I worked in Belgium 2 years. One thing I also heard a lot is that the Netherlands are much better organized.
Love your content bro keep it up! Cross culture really interests me! Especially this video was interesting for me as a Dutch person who used to live and go to school in Belgium. In general I think Belgians have a hard(er) time to adapt to or accept Dutch persons as they're just that more direct indeed. It seems younger generations from both countries are getting more alike though!
Thank you and thank you for your observations!
The Dutch love Belgium. Beautiful country, very friendly people in general, best beers in the world. Love from The Netherlands! 💙
You are quite right about beer. The best beers in the world come from Belgium!
Totally.
My very first impression of the Dutch was how friendIy and heIpfuI they were. As an American, I stiII have no cIue what is meant by them being so direct because I'm that way myseIf. As a generaI ruIe, I don't find them as 'sober' as they refer to themseIves as being, but they're aIso not so 'up-tight' as Americans are. I've had Iess experience with BeIgians, but the ones I've met have more of a 'European' fIavor to them than the Dutch which seem more Scandinavian to me. It's true, you know immediateIy when you cross the border between HoIIand and BeIgium. I Iike both of them.🌹🌹
I agree, Linda! The direct isn't as strong as I think a lot of people think; it's definitely more than the US but nothing that is too much I'd say.
Depends on where you are, people up north are far more direct than say amsterdam.
European flavor? please dont say stuff like this. You're american and should not try to claim what is european or not. Also we are nothing like Scandinavians, Scandinavians are shy people. Imagine youre can visit ruins of a roman bath house almost 2000 years old (heerlen) and than an american comes to tell you they see you a less european and more american... ma'am think before you say something please.
There is no borderbetween Holland and Belgium
Dutch are very direct for European standards, Americans are just considered straight our rude and ill mannered.
I visited both countries and I heard so many funny stories from both sides. Such cool video. 👍🏼
Thank you!
Leuke video. Vroeger dacht ik als Nederlander dat Belgen heel zachtaardig en lief zijn, maar ik heb er een aantal jaar gewoont en ben daar letterlijk monddood gemaakt. Durfde niet meer te praten, schaamde me voor mijn Nederlandse accent terwijl dat nergens voor nodig is. Ik voelde me heel eenzaam, werd er heel erg gediscrimineerd. Ieder geval, ik woon weer terug in Nederland, heb wel goede contacten met Belgen die ook in Nederland wonen. Ik zal ieder geval nooit meer in belgie durven wonen.
Dankjewel voor het kijken! En klinkt als je niet de beste ervaring in Belgie hade. Misschien als je er nog weer bezoek zal je iets anders ervaren.
@@jayanouni bij mij was het in Brugge. Gewoon het gelach om mijn accent, het altijd proberen na te doen. Of mij heel moeilijk aan kijken tijdens een gesprek alsof ik Chinees praat, en dan vervolgens ook doodleuk zeggen van sorry ik moet heel erg concentreren op wat je zegt. Nou als iemand heel netjes ABN praat dan ben ik het wel, maar goed. Haha wat was ik opgelucht toen ik België verliet.
Deze indruk had ik ook. Misschien dat Belgen in deze video niet echt durven zeggen wat ze denken. Zoals ze zelf ook zeggen, dat ze niet zo direct zijn. Ik dacht eigenlijk dat Nederlanders van Belgen houden maar Belgen niet van Nederlanders. Te opinionated, blunt en serieus. Maar eigenlijk ook dat ze een beetje tegen Nederlanders opkijken omdat ze NL zien als makkelijker in de omgang. Wat moderner, vlotter (ouderwets woord:). Wat in Nederland een hype/tendens is, komt in België vaak zo'n twee jaar later ook. Liefs!
@ what' this: Dit vind ik jammer om te lezen... ik ben super gesteld op onze buren want ik woon een km of 15 van de grens en ga graag een keerje naar onze buren. Waarom? Omdat zij geen vooroordelen hebben en altijd goedlachs zijn. Ik merk ook wel dat er vlaamse mensen zijn die vlug een oordeel klaar hebben, maar zeker niet iedereen is zo. Een lach en een vriendelijk woord kost niks, met dat principe ben ik opgebracht en dat draag ik nog steeds in mijn hart. Het spijt me enorm dat je je tijd hier zo ervaren hebt... En dat dit dan nog in Brugge gebeurt is... de mensen met zowat het slechtste accent van heel België... zelfs wij vlamingen verstaan hen bijna niet, vooral als je niet van brugge zelf bent. 😅
@@tiger1976 Ik heb wel goede ervaringen met belgen die niet uit Brugge komen, heel vriendelijk en open...Daar ben ik dan wel blij mee om het op deze manier te ervaren..maarja ook natuurlijk hele vervelende ervaringen gehad. Ik heb daar een keer een ongeluk gehad in Brugge en ambulance personeel bekeek uitgebreid mijn idkaart. Toen zeiden ze van "je bent geboren in Amsterdam, dat is al de grootste fout, maar nu woon je in België dus het gaat de goede kant op"..
Ik denk dat ik door de pesterijen overgevoelig ben geraakt voor zulke hollander grapjes, want ze denken altijd dat hollanders asociaal, luidruchtig, en gierig zijn maar dat ben ik totaal niet. Nu ben ik ook samen met nog steeds mijn be vriend en we hebben samen een kindje.....vriend van zijn moeder zei daarop "ik vrees dat het ook hollands zou praten". Je kan begrijpen dat wij die vent nooit meer willen zien hahah. Vrienden van mijn vriend die verklaarde hem ook zot dat hij met een hollandse ging..het was ieder geval niet het warme welkom waar ik op gehoopt had 🤔🤣
I tell my Belgian friends “kut Belg” and they say “kut Nederlander” back and then we laugh and play games together.
Dat verhaal van die zussen is prachtig
Toch!
@@exploringtheforeign the use of toch in this case could better be used as ja toch or echt he.
toch only means nothing in this case ;)
In NL, there are Belgian jokes, but friendly. In NL, you can buy a Belgian coffee cup with the handle on the inside.
We dont have beef with the Belgium people. Belgium and the Netherlands used to be one country, and we will always be connected. The Dutch are more extrovert and the Belgiums a bit more introvert. The Dutch walk with their heads up and the Belgiums more with their heads down. Both good people:)
As dutch we love the belgium people, so kind, open and polite, as Dutch we appreciate our southern family!
Belgian people are our brothers and sisters. We often share blood lines and family bonds especially in the south. Sometimes we are rivals (especially during football games of our national teams and cycling) but at the end of day there is a lot of love. What I like about Belgian people is that they are very polite and nice, their food culture is much better than in the Netherlands and their cities and landscapes are more beautiful than ours. So if a country would decide to attack Belgium I would definitely join my Belgian brothers to fight💪
Wow... as a belgian... i applaud you and thank you for your kind words...
For myself... i lovemy neighbors, and if they are ever in need, i will try my hardest to support and help them. My heart is not yeallow, red and black but it contains orange aswell.
Important distinction: you asked the Flemish. They are naturally looking more at their fellow Dutch speaking northern neighbour. The Dutch in comparison are sympathetic with their southern neighbours, but generally don't think so much about them. I would like to see a comparison one day of how often Netherlands is mentioned in the Flemish News, vs Belgium in the Dutch news.
I watch both and in my opinion it's definitely the other way around. Especially in humoristic tv shows belgium get's mentioned very often on Dutch tv while the other way around allmost exclusively when there's a Dutch person present.
to be fair when we dutch people think about belgians we think about flemish people, and we totally ignore the walloons even though they are half of the country
@@inigo9000 thanks, I would say in comedy it's mutual. I mean there were various Dutch players and jury members on De Slimste Mens in Belgium. But are you sure about news? Many times I turned on Flemish news they compare themselves to the Netherlands.
@@erikthehalfabee6234 As a Belgian (from Flanders) often watching the national news, I dont' think that I ever heard them mention the Netherlands (unless it was directly relevant)
@@TheGjojo Sure, it's just one man's observation and i used to watch a lot more Flemish news ten years ago (before digital tv you could change the order of the TV channels). Maybe not so much Dutch news, but it struck me that the Flemish often compared their own parameters with the Netherlands.
As a Dutch guy I’ve got nothing but love for the Belgian people
What a lovely vid! Your filming skills are great. Enjoyed this very much…love the elegant Belgians!
I appreciate that, Ingrid! The lighting was really bright and I didn't properly adjust for that in certain shots haha, but that's just me being picky on myself. I'm glad you enjoyed, though!
@@exploringtheforeign I think what I enjoy most is that the scenes are easy on the eye; as if we are looking through your eyes. Not to much at once. Great job 👏
Thank you! I'll keep that in mind for future filming for sure :)
What's important here, is that you asked people around Antwerp, very close to the border. Answers might change near the West Coast and closer to Brussels, or even in Wallonia. Same as in the Netherlands, if you ask in Brabant, where I worked for a couple years, many Dutch are very fond of the Belgians to the South, and often feel more linked to them than their own compatriots in the far North. But if you ask Dutch people in the Central or North part, then they're further removed and are more critical. You, unfortunately, failed to take into account the proximity of Antwerp to the Netherlands, which plays an important part. People close to borders will often cross over and make connections, while the ignorance and uninformed dislike of other nations grows the further you move away.
I'll keep this in mind in future videos :)