Why Qimir is a FALSE Sith Apprentice & Enemy to Darth Plagueis - Star Wars Theory
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Qimir: I really don't have a name...oh, wait yes I do. The name is Venamis, Darth Venamis.
Sith is the closest name he could come up with.. Did to watch it or rely on these guys to get your ideas I mean no offense but he said you'd call me sith..
Think about this they live in the high Republic era when you don't even know you can reach the force through hate and anger.. this guy is so isolated he thinks he figured it out of course he knows he's not a sith he just knows they're gonna consider him one because he wants to use his power in any way he wishes and decides to do it
Plagueis disliking martial combat and his dedication to studying the mysteries of the Force always led me to believe that the Muun mainly used Form VI Niman as his chosen lightsaber style
I agree with this.
In the book, it says he was trained and proficient/ mastered all forms of LS combat
@@legionforce1374 based on Plagueis’ character, “proficient” in the seven forms seems most appropriate
Not sure if that is correct, but it is a reasonable deduction.
@@TheStupendousWave i believe Plagueis was a Form 5 user. in chapter 3, of the novelization, on the Wobegon, when battling the crew, it included all the main features of the form. In the rare times he used the lightsaber, he didn't really combine Force movements with it, A main feature of form 6.
That low key shot u fired about "her equally naive sister" was hilarious
100% But I kinda think both being naive is intentional...they each have half the picture. One kept naive by the Jedi, the other by the Sith teachings I suppose.
@neusyns 24 year Olds are naive , also almost all our heroes are naive at the beginning , Luke , Anakin all throughout his life, etc
@@Veganmilkdrinker naive is a nice way to call someone dumb.
No, everyone is not naive and trust absolute strangers especially ones that just killed like 6 of your allies
@neusyns 6 of the people who took her away from her family then discarded her , he offered her the opportunity to kill him , did you just not pay any attention to what happened in the episode ?
@@neusyns and naive is not synonymous with dumb , people can be intelligent but also naive
Agree with your theory. I recently finished the Plagueis novel and when I heard Qimir say “you may call me Sith,” I started thinking he was illegitimate and discarded by the real Sith master and apprentice. I hope they keep the Muun and Bith species intact.
Nope Qimir is just Apu from the Simpsons :S
They won't, these Star Wars shows don't have the ability to write "Alien" characters, if the Acolyte even goes into the Plagueis territory and uses them as characters with relevant screen time, they will be made into human minorities. I personally see Plagueis being a woman, because behind every great man (Palpatine) is a Woman!
@@plokoon9619you could have saved yourself some typing and just said you were a sexist pos
Well the Sith are by no means boy scouts. If he was "discarded" by a Sith Master, wouldn't the Sith Master just kill him (and ensure he is actually dead) rather than just "discarding" him and risking their discovery? If I wanted to stay in stealth, I probably would ensure there isn't somebody floating around who knows about me who might spill my secret.
@@CloudedinSanity1the last episode showed Darth Plagues in the shadows following or watching…seeming to be spying on Qimir…and remember Qimir never referred to himself as Darth anything…
unless they're planning a 2nd season, I doubt they'll introduce another baddie. The way it looks to me is that qimir is a dark jedi, the green skinned leader's padawan. I'm not expecting anything more complicated than that.
They haven't confirmed or denied a second season, but I am wondering if that is cause they will have a new spinoff show once they introduce the other Sith that is confirmed to be in the show. Kind of like it can't be confirmed cause it will give it away type of deal?
In the words of Disparu, you’re putting way more thought into this than the writers.
Not everybody likes to be as angry as that guy is all the time.
the reality: the acolyte's writers have no idea who darth tenebrous or plagueis are
That’s what it seems like lol
Do you really think dave filoni would allow a storyline that has no base in lore to get thru?(
@@darthpaul490 Yes, all he has done for his entire stay at Star Wars is dismantle the Clone Wars multimedia project.
@@merv3139 @hydromancer4916 i find both of you lacking in confidence when dave filoni know more than audience knows ...it means the script is quite good for dave filoni to get a pass
You mean it's not going to match up with your oh so inspiring and jaw dropping fan fiction that you spent hours tweaking out on in your mommy's basement
The only other random new character to ever announce themself as a sith was Ventress when she met Dooku, and he corrected her. The only thing that does make Qimir lean towards the real deal is the apparent knowledge of the sith code which he almost says a part of before Mae cuts him off when he is the alchemist.
I would prefer if Qimir is his own thing, rather than repeating another Sith drama.
My head canon is that he may have had contact with the Sith, but is so focused on personal freedom that he could not be a seervant to anyone...as he said the Jedi, he wants to do what he wants without answering to anyone.
So, definitely a dark side wielder, but one setting his own agenda.
Does not want to be limited by either the Sith or Jedi.
And yet he wants an Acolyte?
This train of thought it too well put together for Disney 😂
Exactly. As much as this theory sounds good, it’s just bad story writing….
So you think they set all this stuff uo just like for no reason to not have a payoff?
@cloudmaster182 No the writers definitely have something big planned for the finale
@@user-rp6gl7zh1b agreed
@@user-rp6gl7zh1b hopefully cool-aid potions.
I like this Theory most, out of all of the theory's that have come before. I totally didn't know about the story of Venemous before now.
If we are to take the opening crawl for episode 1 of the acolyte seriously, (100 years before the rise of the empire) the. this show is actually not 100 years before ep 1 but before ep 3, which means it’s about 87 years before ep 1.
So you're saying this takes place in 119 BBY rather than 132 BBY?
Do those 13 years actually matter? That would mean that the death of the witches and the fire happened 100 years before ep1
@@devincrenshaw4865 I mean it's just a matter of being specific w the timeline. Does any of this matter? Do the prequels matter?
@@cloudmaster182 No they actually don't matter. I'm the prequels, Anakin becomes a Jedi and his mom died which is a major event. If the show starts at 87 BBY and then we flash back to when they were kids it's covering back to 100BBY. So it literally doesn't matter because they show spans the entire time range of the discrepancy, which is 13 years.
I swear that even Legends counts the rise of the Empire as starting from Episode I. So while it makes sense the count should start as III it may not be considered so.
This makes so much sense that it’s all but guaranteed Disney won’t do it
Been a fan of yours since your channel started thanks for bringing great stuff
I love Qimir in this show, hes played really really well. Maybe escept for that one awkward head twitch. Seems like a great villian ! Best part of the show lol
This is exactly why I thought he was thanks for the theory
You're giving Disney too much credit. They're going to have a dumb backstory for Qimir. They won't use any pre-existing lore that most fans enjoy.
I hope you’re wrong, but you’re likely to be right
If either Jon Favreau or Dave Filoni are involved with The Acolyte, then Tenabrous or Plagueis will be involved. Both men were fans of the Expanded Universe.
@@scottboa2738 if Filoni is such a fan of the EU, he wouldn’t be contradicting it left right and center with TCW, and making Leland Chee rip his hair out. The man is overrated
@@tardarsauce3355 Dave Filoni said in an interview that he was a fan of the Star Wars EU. Look at how many EU storylines that are now Canon because of Filoni. How many of the Legendary Sith Lords are now Canon? They are Canon because of Filoni.
@@scottboa2738 you mean like Darth Bane? They couldn’t even get his armor and appearance right! Anyone who has read the Bane trilogy knows what the guy is supposed to look like. Just because he says he is an EU fan doesn’t mean he actually is one. Even before the Disney acquisition and the concepts of canon and Legends became a thing, TCW was retconning and changing all the EU context it could: Anakin was never supposed to have a padawan (he’s not mentally stable enough), Asajj and Maul’s species and origins were changed, Grievous became a complete joke; they even contradict the movies by having Anakin and Dooku fight each other every second Tuesday.
Maybe the stories of TCW are decent, and that’s why people like to defend it, but that doesn’t change the fact that Filoni has been changing and contradicting the EU even before Disney bought Star Wars
This is exactly what I thought The Stranger was the Canon version of Darth venomous
I’ve said it once about this show, I’ll say it again: You’re giving it far too much credit with these awesome theories.
I love when people say “I said it once and I’ll say it again…” like just say it again or shut up we don’t care that you said it before. Making me read extra words for no reason.
How have I never heard this
It’s not a story the Jedi would tell you….
With Venamis being trained even in secret from Plagueis, it's not a story the Sith would tell you either 😝
Pretty much everything about Venamis (and Tenebrous) comes from James Luceno's 2012 "Darth Plagueis" novel, which is now Legends material and not part of the current canon.
Gotta read legends. Ice been knowing how this story would go down since the first trailer. Obviously some kinks were added, but even those seem heavily informed by Legends content. We'll see how these last 2 episodes play out
Well this aged like fine wine didnt it .....LMAOO
Plagueis pops up because he senses all the madness.
THANK YOU! Ive said it for weeks now. I also think the teeth on the mask is similar to Venoms in Spiderman and also he made poison for Mae which is handmade venom. Bosh
This is great story. It's possible Qimir is imposter. Duel between Plagueis and Venemous is great! May the Force be with you too😊
“Artificial high ground”
Qimir is Venamis!!! i just watched the finale
I mean Vanamis kinda sounds like venom as in posion and he made the posion for Mae
The Acolyte is a worthy Pre-Galactic Civil War story.Very interesting hypothesis though and commendable.
I too like the idea he is not a Sith but a fallen Jedi/padawan or something else. Seems that the only people that would know about Sith at this time would be Jedi, Sith , or Witches. A bit camp to burn the Witches thought. I feel like the idea we would know who all the Sith are in Cannon is weird. Not to mention all the force users that are out there in a whole galaxy.
It is fun to speculate but I often have to remind myself to let the storyteller tell their story.
He recited half the Sith code in the chem shop.
Sadly, you're assuming the writers actually know the lore to for this to be a possibility. They're a bunch of hacks who were told to actually not watch the old movies or get familiar with the lore.
Qimir is the acolyte!
Would love to see Tenebrous and Plageuis.
One thing I wish was different in the Acolyte is they haven’t showed many aliens that look sufficiently different than a human (Bith, Rodian, Ithorian, Muun, etc); most of the Jedi are all humans (except the Green skinned one and Jecki; but they really just have makeup and there’s no puppet / mask). Similarly how in the Kenobi show they made the Grand Inquistor just have white makeup instead of making him look like the guys on Utapau in episode 3. Using actual masks / prosthetics
That Theory was what I always kinda assumed. I thought that he himself was an acolyte who either needed to kill Jedi without a weapon to become a full time apprentice ( manipulating Maye- is a way of killing without a weapon) or he had already been cast aside.
my theory is that quimir is Imri Cantaros who was the pupil of Venestra because in the final episode when Vanestra senses Quimir she says ¨ youre alive¨ this makes sense
I wish that this theory would be true but honestly I highly doubt that the people who are in charge of the acolyte are going to incorporate this. After all everyone who was recruited to make the acolyte ( including the writers, producers, directors, and even the cast ) haven't ever seen any of the original 6 star wars movies, or any of the shows, or even read any of the books or graphic novels, so it's wishful thinking.
interesting theory but disney lack crsativity
I agree with the title however I do not agree with the subject matter in the video nor do I believe he was trained by Tenebrous. They said there would be no larger characters in The Acolyte. Mundi is the most we are getting so I am going to have to figure he either started down the Darkside alone and bumped into Sith artifacts and training material (Hence the cortosis) or was trained as a Jedi for a time and then left to figure his own way which included finding a Sith of some sort and training with them. I know the purple whip carrying woman has something to do with it, maybe she turned and taught him and then somehow came back to the light and ditched him. It would make so much sense that she was a Sith Acolyte or assassin, infiltrating the Jedi ranks to see what they have and what's going on.
I’m just happy that he Is skill not only in lightsaber but also manipulate in such a way that you haven’t seen since add ting so from knight old republic after all, he says there’s a way of drugging them gassing them lust impatient and all that if he can just combine all that with much more, I believe you can be more
Thank you for FINALLY saying this since people couldn’t put these pieces together on their own
I say he is a Fallen Jedi who was either partly trained by a false master, or found a Sith holocron after he fell and learned how to bleed his crystal. He has some very powerful skills and aspects of the dark side, but he is notably completely missing others, such as Sith lightning (Plagueis taught this to Sidious some years in), creating fear in others via the force and more, while being able to sense thoughts, and more like force glide to meet the jedi. 16 years with an apprentice, and all he could muster in her was a lot of skill with a knife and a kind of assassins skill in the force. He could not pass on the right skills because he did not have many of them himself, even as he had MUCH more power.
He is like an incomplete puzzle with several of the needed pieces, but clearly missing others. This is why he dances around the proper terms and titles. He doesnt have much, or any knowledge of several aspects of Sith life.
Good for you for trying to make Acolyte a semi-cohesive, good addition to Star Wars lore!
Leslie Headland watching this video: "WRITE THIS DOWN!!! WRITE THIS DOWN!!!!"
Sith do not gain the Darth moniker by killing their master. Darth Vader and Darth Maul are both examples.
If a fully trained Sith apprentice started murdering Jedi, then the order would obviously know the Sith still exist….
This storyline seems like a waste of time either way unfortunately. Great analysis though!
I Love listing to the videos, I have been pointed to so many comic titles that I would had never read. But is seems to me that the ones making the movies have never even looked at any of the thousands of books, comics, etc out there. You would think it would be better to bring to life charters that have searchable back stores to them, rather they make some charter up and going with a funky story line, when there is already SO many that are great they can pull from. Thanks all for listening.
Awesome theory 🤩 I’d love to see an ending to the acolyte where the true Sith come in and slap him up
If someone killed a whole Jedi task force, the Sith would know and they would like to find out who did it
While this may be an good theory, I do question one thing. Supposedly Plagues is/was the Sith master to Palpatine, right? Yet The Acolyte series takes place 100 years before Episode 1 (about 110 years before Ep 2). So, how young would Plagues be then if he was in The Acolytes time? For that mater, what about the age of Venomous? What is the lifespan of Muuns and Biths?
Given that, I doubt Qimir is either of them, given that well... he's human, so would have likely died of old age (if not by some other means) before Palpatine is born.
Also, I find it a bit odd how so many have seemingly jumped onto what is effectively still a fan theory, that Qimir even is a Sith of any kind. Just cause he said that the Jedi might call him a Sith, doesn't mean that he is claiming to be one. Its just a generalization. As far as we know from the show, he is just a Dark Jedi. Likely fed up with the lies and restrictions of the Jedi order (as shown, the Jedi do cover up and lie about a lot of things, even to those within the Order) and so left to study the force on his own and use it as he sees fit. Which is also something he said, he wanted the freedom to use the force how he wanted.
This video is better than the whole acolyte show (they really dropped the ball with that one)
A well considered theory.
Literally just read that chapter today while reading Plagueis LOLS
With this in mind I like to think of Qimir's Sith name as another disease themed name. Darth Prionis
If we’re throwing out random theories. What if Qimir is just the Son in human form?
We will find out the truth this week or next
Hopefully
I think Qimir was trained by Ro (based on the whip like scar) and became a dark Jedi. Perhaps doing his own research on the dark side. Regardless of how the writers are deviating from what we consider as fans to be cannon or "hard facts", I don't think they'd stray that far as to replace a character like Venomous (spell check, I never read the books lol). But we'll see won't we? 😅
this held up very well after the finale. Don't think he'll be slapped as venamis, more maybe as Plagueis' first apprentice.
I really hope this is what they are doing. I think it would give me hope that they would fix some of the issues with season 1 and be more focused on this story line going into season 2
Hardly an enemy, a curiosity or a tool at best.
Bro I put this theory out on Twitter a few days ago!
Good theory. But have too say that I doubt anyone planned this
I don’t think no they’ll bring any over to be a bad guy. It will be someone new. I think there is only enough time to really dig into what happened on brendok and clean up the murders.
Tenabrous wouldn’t train qimir though. He did not like humans. His entire plan centered around taking over the body of his apprentice as well in the later years, which is why he trained his second bith apprentice.
He didn't own the title, or he'd be calling himself Darth. He said he has no name, the jedi "might" call him sith because he utilizes the dark side.
I like to think of The Stranger as more of a dark Jedi than a Sith. He seems to be basically the Star Wars equivalent of a Libertarian. He wants to be left alone by every organization so he can do what he wants unmolested.
I agree, he feels more like a Dark Jedi than a Sith Lord, I think Qimir is the true acolyte
With respect to everyone who dislikes it, I actually like the new show.
I’ve been a fan of Dune for decades so I’m predisposed to an entire universe carried on by someone other than the original creator. There’s been a divide in the Dune fandom for many years over the same thing but personally I just enjoy the new stories since I personalize many stories.
He's just like venemis - he's gonna die yo
lol i read star wars theory in the title and nearly missed the video - thought its one of the starwars hate videos XDD
If Qimir ever took the Darth title, it'd probably be Darth Seducious.
Qimir is Venamis and Plagueis is stalking him and going to try and capture him just like the novel. Not kill. Plagueis could do that easily. But capture. Which would be tough, even for a Dark Lord of the Sith, as Qimir is very talented and skilled, obviously, dude killed more Jedi at once than 99 percent of Sith Lords in canon. So Plagueis must watch and observe his prey!!!!
I suspect he may be a lapsed Jedi who briefly trained with a Sith lord and decided to dip out over the Rule of Two nonsense as he wanted to be truly free
I'm waiting for the full season to drop but from what I've gathered qimir is the acolyte and the girl is caught in between
This theory is what i was thinking after watching the series. I really hope that they make a longer second season, hopefully with different writers and really dive into proper sith lore.
Have you ever heard the tragedy of Qimir the “Venamis”? It’s a sith legend. Qimir wore a Cortosis helmet that could short out lightsabers and he also stabbed 4 Jedi, one of them was a padawan who he stabbed 3 times just to piss off one of the Jedi masters.
I was thinking this for a while.
I was thinking the same, or a discarded apprentice of tennabris
Here is another theory ... one i actually like:
Qimir is neither a Master, nor the Apprentice ... he is just a Jedi who found some kind of Sith teaching, and started to teach himself ... and Plagueis, or Tenebrous will appear sooner or later to kill him, since he is not part of Rule of Two.
Wich would explain why he wanted to get an Acolyte ... 2v2 is better than 2v1. ;)
Tenebrous and Venamis were proof clones could have force potential and are not outside of the ftce
What do people think about the beat the jedi without a weapon thing? I wonder why Qimir is so insistent on that...
I don't think that Qimir is a Sith. In episode 5, he NEVER said that he was; he told Master Sol that "Jedi would call me Sith". I think that Qimir is a member of a dark side faction or cult. Also, I believe that we may see Darth Tenabrous or Plagueis in next week's finale. Sith Lords tend to kill those who say they are Sith and are not.
I said it was Venamis from the start🎉
If this was the story I think it would be so interesting. But I have doubts about Disney’s willingness to pull that story off
I appreciate this theory. Sadly, I think it's being held hostage for a season 2
Not a bad theory. I do not think he is Sith. He's had Sith training, yes, but I'm not sure he views himself as one. He even says to Sol, *"You* would call me Sith," by the default fact of their narrow minded point of view of him being a Dark Side user. All that said, ScreenCrush believes that Qimir may be a Knight of Ren, since Kylo's theme has played a few times when he was on screen.
We learned in the Bane novels false Sith/Dark Side or even fallen Jedi began to train in the Dark Side. Bane would very quickly dispose of them before they made themselves known to the Jedi. It's likely, many more false Sith would come about during the rule of two.
I don't believe Headland and the current writers took any time to really dig into this to create a good story. More likely is the fact she's just trying to make Jedi look bad from an outsiders point of view. This is something she could have done easily, as it was this period where the Senate was using Jedi against those who would oppose them on their home planet. Creating distrust between the people and Jedi. She didn't. She either doesn't care for current lore, or was just too lazy and incompetent to create a good story using these facts.
That was actually my first though on the matter
Another banger even though I’m late
Sure it makes sense... and im sure if Filoni was more involved in the project, something like this would have happened. Hes very good at bringing legends back into canon.... but they don't want a good story, just a message about how "from my point of view the jedi are evil"
Because during the rule of 2 1 master, 1 pupil.he his self is still a pupil 😮😢
It’s exactly who I thought he was!
A legends-like telling would be preferred, but these are the same individuals who doesn’t know the difference from Anakin or Luke, chooses lightsaber colors for aesthetic, changed their original idea for their “Darth” figure to better show of the actor’s “hot” body, the same people who don’t care to understand what the “Dark Side” is but rather drool over the baddie & have main characters be “seduced” by a murderous wrench…. So probably not going that route
I really don’t think Qimir is a sith. He never calls himself one.
He believes in freedom and using the force for what he wants.
I think he might be a progenitor to the Knight of Ren.
Rey is getting a solo film in the next few years so maybe they could work that in?
Like not all the Knights of Ren were killed by Kylo and they’re causing a problem while Rey is trying to rebuild the Jedi Order.
🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
Edit: or the acolyte sets up a new cult that opposes structure in way of the force… there are multiple force user groups in the galaxy far far away.
I just don’t think he’s a sith but he wants an apprentice… he wants a group of people like him.
In my opinion Qimir isn't a Sith, nor do I think the Jedi see him as such. I believe that they see him as a failed Jedi. If you remember from The Phantom Menace, Master Ki-Adi-Mundi stated the Sith have been extinct for a millennium. Meaning both Tenebris and Plagueis kept in hiding along with the long line of those who passed along the knowledge of the Dark Side from Bane. Sith were great at hiding who they were or how powerful they were. Any risk of more than 2 Sith coming into the lineage, 1 Sith had to be killed to keep the rule of 2. As Sidious challenged both Maul and Savage to the death as he sees Maul as a rival for having made Savage his apprentice. Darth Vader was able to sneak around that by making Acolytes, those who used the dark side that were not granted the title of Sith. They became more enforcers. Qimir is more like Exar Kun, he discovered the dark side and saw it as a way to increase his power, leading him to be removed from the order. Now he seeks revenge for feeling as though they turn their back on him. He is skilled in saber combat, possibly by studying a dark holocron, able to learn about cortosis and make armor from it. He'll either see his end by a main character or by a Sith in hiding to keep to ruse that Sith are gone. Lets see what future episodes have in line next.
Qimir didn’t even have Sith eyes, Anakin did after the Jedi temple purge, the Mustafar slaughter and the decapitation of his limbs. The Acolyte is piss weak, waste
I dont get why people are so upset about this series ! The fights are awesome, the story doesnt reveal every aspect until it is time to be revealed ! Its a darker version of star wars ! Deaths are permanent and mean something ! I think people will be surprised at how good this series was when its finished !
Finally!! I think this is probably accurate. After all, Qimr cant be an actual sith, it has to end with revealing that he wasnt really a sith, and was impersonating one, for some reason... that would keep it legit storyline wise right? The dead jedi are explained because it wasnt a sith who killed them, only "an impersonator" which would make Ki-Adi-Mundi not a lier
I'm still going to hold out on my theory that Qimir is going to be the Dark Jedi that was defeated and have let the Jedi know the Sith Rule of Two. Which Yoda repeats later in The Phantom Menace.
Lucasfilm was probably contractility obligated to shove out a live action show as soon as possible, so they used their CW level writers to create the acolyte
As much as I wish this were true, if the rumors that Disney is trying to stop the sale of old EU stuff, I do not think there is a chance this is true. My source is instagram so definitely look into this on your own
I disagree. I don’t think he’s anything more than a fallen or dark Jedi. I think Plagueis’ cameo was just him talent scouting. He searched for an apprentice for quite a well before meeting Palpatine.