Fun Fact: Closely related species look more similar to one another when they’re developing than when they’re fully grown. You can look at the fetuses of various pronates and I’m pretty sure you won’t be able to tell the difference. With this in mind, I suspect comparing the first forms of Pokémon to be a more accurate tool than what you’ve been doing.
actually tho, by that logic, we would assume that fish are close relatives to tigers which they aren't. if you looked at them when they're fully developed, tigers are obviously more closely related to say bears than fish. you wouldn't assume that carvanha is more closely related to litten than cubchoo because they both have big eyes, black and red areas, and sharp teeth. you would assume beartic and incineroar are more closely related to each other than sharpedo because they have limbs.
There's a problem with this. Pokemon appear to regularly add or remove stages to their lines. A good example is the Rhynido branch. The Rhyperior line has two bipedal forms and a quadrupedal form whereas the Nidos have two quadrupeds and a biped. Also, Rhydon corresponds to the final stage of the Nidos but it's only a second stage. So, at some point either Rhyhorn lost its first stage or Nidorin@ gained a new first stage and Rhydon gained a new third evolution.
7:37 In the anime, team rocket’s mimikyu has moments where it is separated from the doll and uses other objects to hide/protect itself from the sun. I think mimikyu is the creature underneath the doll and could probably go with the other sprites.
"The only other cyclops Pokemon I can think of is Woobat" HOLD ON. Where do you think Woobats eyes are? It's Heart-shaped nose? The eyes are covered with fur on opposite sides of the nose o-o
@@MGH375 noooo, how would it be an eye when it has a heart design on it? And why would an eye then evolve to become a nose? How would it use its signature move Heart Stamp? Nothing about that makes sense x.x
I agree Charon, my buddy who is my friend. It is designed to look dumpy and floofy, like a Honduran White bat. I think Woobat accomplished the "blind bat" shtick better than zubat, who doesn't have eyes and looks hellish, rather than having eyes covered by floof.
Meg Henning I have never once heard of people thinking Woobat’s nose is its eye until today. I can’t see it as an eye no matter how hard I try to see it
@@AdeptCharon i never thought about it before, i just saw a big circle and didn’t see any eyes so i thought it had one big pink eye with a heart shaped pupil
Both Grimmer and Gastly have Pokédex entries talking about how they were born from from their base substance, such as Grimmer being born from toxic waste exposed to moon beams and Gastly being born from gas rising from grave yards, so I could buy into this. Plus they’re both in the amorphous egg group but the egg groups are kind of wack anyways
@@JediMasterRevenantMADNESS Gengar's spikes aren't even actual spikes made of physical material, and even if they were, that would be a very superficial connection, having spikes is not a unique trait, unlike being completely made up on gaseous poison.
I like to think there are three forms of ghosts in the Pokemon universe Type 1, ghost type Pokemon that came from dead Pokemon (Yamask is the key example) Type 2, non Pokemon ghosts (like those ghost girl Easter eggs) Type 3, Pokemon with ghost type abilities (Decidueye is the key example) That can explain why in the sun/moon anime, there is Mimikyu and Acerola’s dead Mimikyu
I would add a type 4 in which the Pokémon evolve and reproduce on their own and have ghost-like abilities but, unlike Type 3, they are "born dead" for lack of a better phrase and therefore unable to produce a ghost, but they also aren't the result of a possession or the death of a human or Pokémon like Yamasks and maybe Gengars are. These types specifically seem easily able to go back and forth, to and from the spirit world, too (so they're not escapees from it). As examples, Misdreavus, Mismagius, and the Duskull line come to mind among others, especially because they don't seem to need to possess anything in particular or have something die to manifest, thus lacking corporeal "bodies" that can perish in the traditional sense, but they still seem to have somehow evolved into existence on their own. Their natural state seems to be that of pure spirit.
i have a suggestion. Why no put drifloon, chandelure, mismagius, hatterene and other jellyfish - like pokemon into a jellyfish category?. They could be a terrestrial variety that evolved to produce gas to float in the air (if not by any infinity energy related means) this category could contain jellicent branching of earlier, staying aquatic, while the rest developed to live in land and to fly (or float). i think it would be a nice way to tie them together, being jellicent of the ghost type and other ghost pokemon just being heads with tentacles coming out of them.
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I know this is an odd one, but I figured I'd throw it out there: what if, similarly to how there are sentient mineral Pokemon, what if the Gengar line is more of a sentient natural gas? I don't know if they would have either came to life due to the ghost infinity energy or maybe in a similar way to mineral Pokemon, but you could say that Gastly resulted from natural gas and as it evolves it gains a more condensed form and a body. You could even say that is why the line can become intangible: it is simply becoming a less condensed form of gas so things pass through them and they can turn invisible. This would put it somewhere on the alien/mineral part of the tree. P.s. thank you Toby for acknowledging the Dragapult situation! I was the one who made the original comment you responded to and it made my day to see you respond!
I love this and it makes total sense, also explains Will o’ wisp. I made a comment saying that it could possibly be an Ultra beast that got trapped and adapted to its new environment over time.
I was thinking the same! And it can actually apply to some other pokemon. Rotom is plasma, plasma is super heated gas. Dusknoir's mouth is a black hole, and black holes are formed when a massive star explodes, what are stars? Balls of gas. Also, being that gas is the most malleable state of matter, some other ghost-types can also be classified as gas, and further sub-classified. Mimikyu's "hand" can stretch a lot more than a solid that fits under that blanket should. So, the "inner" Mimikyu is a gas, possessing something. As Toby said, we would need more info about Mimikyu to properly sub-classify it, BUT then we have the Rotom forms: A gas possessing man-made objects. Then we have the Cofagrigus and Trevenant, for example, we can see their "gassy" parts controlling an object. I'm not sure if Polteageist counts, as it's supposed to be liquid? But I think it also applies. Maybe have ghost pokemon divided into "gas (and gas possessing stuff)" and "stuff being possessed by ghost energy"? So pokemon like Aegislash would stay with the man-made pokemon, but on a special sub-branch of "possessed object", just like now Trevenant, Gourgeist and Delmise are a sub-branch of plant? Honestly it's really hard to classify this, but the gas part feels like it's totally on the right track, at least for the Gengar line it feels the most accurate.
If Pokemon Journeys is soooo good, when will they explore anything important? Like the Evolution-Tree or ANYTHING related to ANYTHING? Any Question? Age of Ash? Arceus Origin? ANYTHING??
I just don't see any evidence that Dusknoir is an Ultra Beast, which it'd need to be to be related to Guzzlord. I do think it's definitely strange that two Pokemon convergently evolved to be so similar, as if the Pokemon world has some weirdly specific "large Pokemon with mouth on the abdomen" niche
@@tris-chan6419 Technically, Metagross’ mouth is on its stomach, and no one’s saying that one’s similar to these two. Hell, Gulpin and Swalot are sentient stomachs with mouths.
In my Invertebrate Zoology class, we learned how the Echinoderms (Seastars, Urchins, Sea-cucumbers, and Crinoids) were discovered to be closely related from their larval forms. I find this especially interesting because now with the introduction of Pincurchin, there is a Pokémon for each one of these groups
@@BirdKeeperToby Your other Evolution-Tree-Video has a huge mistake. The Legendary Birds are not a proof of Divergency between Legendaries. Check your facts and check the Pokedex. You got it wrong. Much so.
@@BirdKeeperToby Your other Evolution-Tree-Video has a huge mistake. The Legendary Birds are not a proof of Divergency between Legendaries. Check your facts and check the Pokedex. You got it wrong. Much so.
The first thing I think of when it comes to Rotom is Regieleki, in terms of both being pokemon that are made of just pure electricity. Maybe it's made of sparks that were cast off over the centuries?
To me, Ghost type Pokemon fall into three categories. One, Pokemon that have spiritual connections, but are still alive, such as Decidueye and Cursola. Two, Pokemon that are possessed objects, like Honedge and Bannette. Three, Pokemon that are straight up spirits, like Gengar and Mismagius.
I don't think ghost type infinity energy is literally related to death. The names of the types aren't always one to one, and if we look at arceus and the creation trio, we might get a better idea of what the types actually mean. Arceus shows that normal Is simultaneously every type, and no type. Moves like hyperbeam and tri-attack would be ones that combine energies, while tackle uses little to none. The other three show that dragon is probably raw, unrefined infinity energy, considering they are basically gods, and needed the raw power to create the world. And giratina's ghost typing, suggests that ghost deals more with dimensional shenanigans. That's why ghosts seem ethereal, because they can move across the 4th dimension, that we can't comprehend.
Especially since Giratina isn't representative of "Satan"/"Hell"(?) and more Anti-Matter//"Dark matter". Normal Ghost; Ghost Normal Matter and Antimatter always opposite, yet we can't fully comprehend either of them.
@@gabriellockwood2780 well the devil is part of it's inspiration. However that doesn't mean that it's literally that canonically. Kinda like how mamoswine is inspired partially off a wooly mammoth, but it's canonically just a pig.
i mean, palkia deals with "dimensional shenanigans" more than giratina does, being the pokemon of space and dimensions, and it's no ghost type. like the idea tho!
@@awesomesofar5963 when the pokedex entries for palkia mention that it lives in another dimension, it's using the word "dimension" when it should be saying "universe". That's one of my personal pet peeves in fiction. There's no such thing as an "alternate dimension" you can only be on a different location on a dimension. Like left and right is x, up and down is y, and forward and backwards are z, the three dimension that us as humans can comprehend. And when I say giratina and other ghosts move across the 4th dimension, I mean they are moving in a direction that we can't comprehend, or reach. In Pokemon platinum, when you enter the distortion world, I'm willing to bet that you are being forced across the 4th dimension. So palkia can control space and travel between alternate universes. Which in Pokemon canon seems to be different than alternate timelines. So palkia probably spends most of it's time somewhere in ultra space. The space between spaces.
Gengar next to clefable. The gastly line is related to the cleffa line. Only difference is gastly haunter and gengar can move about the 4th dimension, while cleffa clefairy and clefable can't.
as somebody said in the comments of the last tree of life video, i personally think it comes down to a case by case basis. with some pokemon it’s obvious that they just... ghosts. they’re spirits. what they were before when they were alive would be the question with them, as for others it’s clear that they are undead.. ish. either they came back to life or something like that. with some of the pokemon you put into the “man made” category (like aegislash) do we count the ghost of the pokemon or do we just count to sword and shield? is there even a right answer to that? it in my opinion definitely depends on the pokemon we’re talking about, and we would probably have to go into the inspirations of some pokemon in order to explain some of them. good video! can’t wait for the theory about the last one there 👀
This is just a random thought but since the Clefairy line seen to had a connection with a moon, would it be fitting that Gengar, being to resemble to Clefable, represent a dark side of a moon.
A Pokémon theory I was wondering about or would like to see: is there some link between spiritomb and golurk as the odd keystone looks somewhat like golurks chest seal?
toby, there is an example of a mimikyu not using its pikachu blanket thing. in an episode of the anime called 'mimikyu unmasked' jessie's mimikyu's pikachu blanket thing rips and mimikyu has to go into a malasada bag to hide itself and not literally kill everyone nearby.
what if: Gengar is an alternate universe Clefairy. the ties are very strong, but the Pokédex entries about it being from another dimension make sense via an old Gnoggin video, where Lockstin gave the lore ending with Mega Gengar planting itself into the ground. G-Max Gengar has now become part of the environment as opposed to just an entity, so perhaps that entry is supported further. I think the combination of those 2 theories makes sense, as both in a way make sense and don't necessarily contradict imo
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I think Gengar and Clefable are definitely related on the evolutionary tree, but I don’t necessarily thing that Clefable is Gengar’s shadow, I just think that those are Pokédex myths.
The Pokemon world doesn't play by the same rules as ours, their rules are different. The dead can come back, there's living, possibly silicon based life in living stone pokemon. I definitely think that the animate stone Pokemon are all closely related, but ghost types? I think theyre definitely case by case. You made the right call with Dragapult, definitely, but there's a whole subsection of Pokemon that "used to be human" And if we take that information that humans can become Pokemon as fact, then Pokemon such as Alakazam, Trevenant and Gengar should be right next to each other on the tree since theyre all much more close to human than any other Pokemon
Below are some of my thoughts and ideas about this video. 1) I can get behind Aegislash, its evolution line, as well as Shuppet and Banette being placed with the man-made Pokémon section of the Evolution Tree. The Aegislash evolution line are possessed weapons, while Shuppet and Banette are possessed dolls, puppets, and marionettes. Mimikyu, however, I believe may go into the Fairy section. It wears the disguise, but in the anime we see that Mimikyu's true self is a dark, amorphous blob. I would like to ask, just in case, whether Mimikyu may qualify as a seelie fairy, an unseelie fairy, or a yokai. 2) As for Drifblim and Chandelure, and by proxy their evolution lines, could they be a type of mimic like in D&D and medieval fantasy? Meaning that they would be placed either with Electrode or Amoonguss? Perhaps they use a predatory form of camouflage? 3) Is it possible that if the Dex entries are incredulous tales, that Spiritomb could fall under the mineral section of the Tree since the Pokémon comes out of the Odd Keystone? 4) I agree with placing Mismagius in the Fairy branch next to Hatterene. You made a good, clever point. 5) The Gengar line could be a gas-related Pokémon. Although, you pointing out the theory that Gastly and Cloyster are related reminded me that when either regional variant of Slowpoke is bitten by Shellder, poisons are secreted. With the Galarian variants in particular, Galarian Slowpoke gains the Poison typing, which becomes its primary typing rather than its secondary typing. With Galarian Slowking, it is possible, or at least probable, that Shellder is possessing the newly-evolved Slowking like a puppet king. I don't know if that means that the Gastly/Cloyster connection theory has more solid ground to stand on, but it was something that came to mind when you brought them up. 6) I have no idea where I would put Rotom or the Dusknoir evolution line. I am, however, interested in your upcoming Dusknoir theory video.
There are some things about Ghost Type Pokémon that don't make sense, but in terms of my favourites, I like a good old Gengar which has its own complexities in its own right.
I dont know if this is something thats been considered, but using real world hypotheses about ghosts from a more scientific position, its been suggested that haunted places are simply areas where people have died and the electrical current that flows through the body gets kinda stuck. Evolutionary wise I would say that means ghost pokemon are objects that have accidently absorebed this current, and things like Dehlmise can be placed on the plant branch, but inanimate objects didnt actually evolve at all, but literally just appeared one day. Whether that be one object forever ago that has then branched off into all the others, or they all just appeared on their own separate of each other would be up to the experts, lol
Saying that none of the ghost types are actual ghosts and instead just evolved from other things just... doesn't make sense to me. Yes, the older Pokedexes were wrong a lot but I think there has been less embellishment overtime. The Yamask lines, Gengar, and Dusknoir are 100% dead things. Also the anime isn't canon, it's referenced in the main series sometimes but just because in an older episode ash became a ghost that doesn't mean ghost Pokémon aren't dead things.
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I personally disagree with where you put mimikyu. Unlike the others that you mentioned, mimikyu isn't possessing it's disguise and is merely hiding behind it. So the question becomes: what is hiding beneath mimikyu's disguise? Personally I would think about placing it with some other fairy/spirit like pokémon, but definitely not with the man-made ones! (I know you mentioned this bit I still think that it should be moved. I know the pokedex isn't always true, but I do agree. We know that mimikyu can exist without the pikachu disguise, and it also makes sense to me that it would disguise as a pikachu in order to get people to like it, as this is something that real life animals evolve to do, so we know it's possible.
oh Gengar could be extra dimensional, much like the Ultra Beasts.... maybe Gengar is it's dimesion's equiverelent of a Clefable (thus closing the lore loop)
This is probably a stretch, but I have an idea about the Gengar line. Kanto has the most poison Pokemon by far, as well as a history of pollution and abandoned human structures. What if Gastly, Haunter, and Gengar are some combination of the pollutants of the region combined with Ghost type infinity energy. Possibly filling an ecological niche as there are no other ghost types in the region, as well as possibly cleaning the area?
Rotom Theory: Rotom is Electricity infused with Infinity Energy brought about by man-kinds ever growing power consumption along with his ability to be used as a "power source" for most appliances. When we first see Rotom it comes from a CRT (cathode-ray tube) television which in its name has a tube inside of it much like a light bulb. In Galar when you use the Rotom Catalog to revert Rotom back to his original form it shows that you do so by using a light bulb. Out side of the Old Chateau the only place you see wild Rotom is in Galar, the Region that is so energy dependent that Chairman Ross resurrects Eternatus to use it's Infinity Energy or it's life force as an unlimited source of power to curb man's ever nearing energy crisis. As the newer generations take place further down the time line regions grow and produce/consume more power and such more Rotom have begun to appear. Due to Rotoms ability to interact with electronics he/it is widely sought after being implemented into PCs, Pokedexes, and Smartphones. Even seeing other regions that do not naturally have rotom in the wild such as Alola import Rotom for day to day use. But how did Electricity become infused with Infinity Energy the life force of all Pokemon...? Well, we already have a Pokemon that can travel between the physical world and the digital one. Porygon, after a few years he got an upgrade to Porygon2. As man expands their knowledge they need a Pokemon that can process more power and try to upgrade Porygon again into Porygon3, but something goes wrong with the upgrade (in the name "dubious disc") so man seeks to create a new Pokemon, one that can handle modern technology more efficiently.
I think Sinistea and Polteageist are based on the Japanese folklore that once an item has become over 100 years old or somewhere around that number (like an old teapot for example), it basically creates a spirit of itself. It sort of comes to life as a spirit even though it’s an inanimate object.
I could very easily see Gengar being a group of Clefairy that got trapped in the distortion world. So that bit about them coming from another dimension would actually make a lot of sense!
HoopsnHipHop's ghost theory is honestly the most compelling pokemone theory I've heard, period. I feel like they all just draw energy from the Distortion Realm.
I was thinking the same when he mentioned there not being anything similar. If it is the theory he has it'd make sense to make it separate too, since having it be related to a UB would require quite an explanation, but we'll see.
I mean Gastly being related to Shelder could also explain the poison typing of Galarian Slowbro and Slowking since the poison typing comes from the Shelder. Then from that point the Gastly gets the ghost typing when the Shelder dies upon a beach as well as it's slight poison typing
Although I do agree that clefable and Gengar could be related like the shadow theory suggest, I can't remember where I heard this, but I remember one of my friends saying that Gengar could be based on the Cheshire cat from Alice in wonderland, which kinda makes sense, it also could mean that if true, maybe it could be related to cat Pokemon, which would mean that clefable being an alien could also be related to cats, and like skitty and delcatty evolving from a moonstone could hint at this (but this all could be a stretch based on something a friend told me that might not even be true)
Mimikyu is explicitly a spooky fae creature wearing a costume, not a possessed costume, since i believe the sun and moon games mention that mimikyu dressing up like pikachu is a fairly recent development for the species and in the anime we see mimikyu changing costumes while still being fundamentally the same creature, so it would fit in the same category as other fairies
the Pkmn Sun Dex entry for Kadabra says "A theory exists that this Pokémon was a young boy who couldn't control his psychic powers and ended up transformed into this Pokémon." so both Kadabra & Gengar (at least 1 of which) have been kids once. thus these lines are theoretically linked the same way Machamp & Golem are.
Fun fact: ghost type (and dark type) is so broken that Sableye, a ghost/dark Pokémon, has only one weakness: fairy. That's right, when Sableye was released, it was impossible to get a super effective move unless you used odor sleuth or identify, but who has a Pokémon with one of those moves?
Gengar is clefairy’s negative energy that turns into a black cloud then evolves into a haunting voice in their heads and then evolves into their shadow
I think Gengar is absolutely Clefable's shadow, and if you're only focusing on the final evolutions, this makes the most sense for consistency. Rotom is interesting, because it was first discovered in the Old Château, and there was only one. Plus, the only other occupants of the house are human ghosts, leading me to believe that it's either a ghost of a person that got killed by electrocution, or was an experiment with electricity that led to an EMP that killed the other residents of the Old Château. In either case, it is man-made - its just whether its a dead person or a new life form
I feel like a lot of object pokemon were originally ghost types. Like they started life as objects possessed by ghosts and eventually evolved into their own creatures.
Just an interesting thing that occurred to me, white coral isn’t dead yet. The plant has expelled the zooxanthellae because the temperature/pH is wrong but if the conditions return to normal the zooxanthellae can return. It’s when they’re covered in algae that you know they’re dead. Imagine if gamefreak had done a shedinja nijask type thing with corsola where we met a new pokemon based on zooxanthellae that left the johtoan corsola.
Gengar: I think you can cross them coming from another dimension and being the shadow of Clefable. Gengar maybe it's a doppelganger of Clefable from another dimension Maybe the Ghost World if we think that exists or Distortion World? (making it a negative spirit). Rotom: Plasma is one of the four fundamental states of matter Plasma can be artificially generated by heating a neutral gas or subjecting it to a strong electromagnetic field. with that in mind I would link it to some Pokemons made out of gas most likely Drifblim and Chandelure but could also be a superheated Gastly . and are you not ignoring the clear connections between Rotom and Shuppet (the last bit is a joke)
the ghost & dead part is also proven fact by the SM Anime where Acerola has a ghost-ghost (dead) Mimikyu as a partner that shiny Mimikyu of hers can float & things go through her
Ghosts send shivers down my spine (;•_•) or is that spooky scary skeletons? Ah it doesn’t matter, this was an excellent video! Ghosts and Pokémon Evolution are a complicated combination, and you always manage to discuss things like this quite well! Also this was such a fun video! There were so many jokes XD I love it!
I have a suggestion for the ice body pokemon. Since they are essentially made up of frozen water, they should go with Vaporeon, who’s molecular composition is almost completely water I believe.
So for Gengar I think it could be an Alien Parasite that lives in a symbiotic relationship with Clefable and that's why it's regarded as it's "Shadow" something I just thought about.
maybe mimikyu is a ultra beast because it is found in galar and alola where ultra worm holes are found in mount lanakila and crown tundra and it is from a another diminasion that is probably why we can't comparant mimikyu's true form
Just wanna point out at 15:14 Woobat isn’t actually a cyclops. That circle with a heart shape in it is actually its nose. It’s actual eyes are covered by the little W’s that represent fuzzy fur over its eyes. It uses its nose to stick to the ceilings of caves to hang around and also to Stamp enemies, hence why it learns the move Heart Stamp.
i have an idea:Gengar should be left alone,gengar is interdemansial,but is also a dead person????/What?I think it should you should make a another universe sort of tree for gengar,the ultra beasts and more.
Some of your placements I like, but I think it was a good idea to just have a separate tree for ghosts, I mean the "spirit world" is another dimension, so it has different laws of physics and biology, so a separate tree makes more sense
So, we actually know a little more about Mimicyu, theres an episode of the Cartoon that gets into it after Jesse's Mimicyu's disguise got wrecked & it had to inhabit a paper bag for a while.
Dinosaurs are probably lies to cover up the existence of Pokémon and they all turned to ghost pokemon so technically only ghost pokemon are real and all other types of pokemon aren’t.
I subscribe to Hoops and Hip Hop's theory that the "Ghost" type is really just the antimatter type, so they can still go on the evolutionary tree of life. I think your placements are good. Happy Halloween, Toby!
I would put many of them closer (such as chandelure, drifblimb, and misdeeds is) to species like Corsola and Cursola and other echinoderms. Either that or jellyfish, because they look visually similar. As they have the many branching tentacles, like a jellyfish or a corals branches
I was looking at what Peony says about Galarian Zapdos in the max den, and he said "Oho, here it is! Our imposter Zapdos! Seems like it's done it's best to be jagged and spiky and make its beak nice and sharp. It really wants to be a proper Zapdos!" This really confused me since it makes it seem like Galarian Zapdos is a regular Pokemon trying to be Zapdos, and not the real Zapdos adapted to the environment near it. He says simular things about Moltres and Articuno, calling them "Imposters". This is really strange and I've been wondering about it for a few days, wonder what you think about it.
We've seen Mimikyu in the anime showing the fact that its mishmash of a Pikachu costume is just that a costume. From the want to be looked at and admire by people who love Pikachu. There was an entire episode from the anime where Jessie's Mimikyu's pikachu outfit had severely damaged and he couldn't wear for most of the episode until Jessie managed to fix it. We even see it take the costume off to take a swim in one of the earlier episodes of Sun and Moon. As for what Mimikyu is... well it's heavily implied to be some sort of being of eldritch origins. A ghost/fairy creature whose mere appearance will at the very least make you comatose for a while and at worst threaten to kill you. Mainly because its true form is something that human mind cannot fully comprehend. So if there's any place Mimikyu could be on your tree I'd put it among the extraterrestrials but on a loan branch given its unique origins.
Perhaps the gengar line is a split off of the drifblim/chandelure lineage. If their bodies are held aloft by “spectral gases,” what if a ghastly is just that gas without the skin. Haunted and gengar are after it learned to control the gas more so it can take a more physical looking appearance. Another option with the same logic would be the gasses of a wheezing without the outer shell.
Immediate reaction dusknoir is related to guzzlord: big mouth in the body - that looks like a face, smaller head on top, both involve dimension stuff and the colour schemes are similar dark grey/black & yellow
Personally I like to see the ghost Pokemon as sort of pure life energy that becomes sort of "born" the moment it clumps together and latches onto something and becomes a "living" being. To use Gastly for example, the life energy clings to literal toxins in the air, and or perhaps even negativity itself, and as it condenses and wraps it becomes the spherical body that when it gathers enough of that life energy is "born" into a Gastly. Then as a Gastly it continues to gather more in order to make itself bigger and stronger to become a Haunter, then finally refines and condenses that body down further to become Gengar. Thus they're less "dead" or "ghosts" in the way we usually think, but beings born with powers related to life energy and the spiritual world. It works pretty much for the majority of Pokemon that are ghost typed. They're either born of this life energy, the energy gathering and clinging onto something until enough of this energy "gives life/birth" to a ghost type, or they grow to wield that energy themselves such as Pokemon like Decidueye or Giratina. Think of it like a 3rd form of reproduction. Live birth, cellular division, and in the world of Pokemon life via energy collecting and reacting as it forms together condensing and colliding to create the energy needed to bring about a newly created soul that clings to a nearby acceptable host "body". Ultimately it'd result in them less being directly linked to the other Pokemon and more sort of being created by the fated impacts of collected life energy. A bit like how manmade Pokemon are created by the hands of man, these ghosts are created by natural reactions of particles and energy in the environment and their relations with other objects. Be it the formation of ectoplasm, clinging onto an object, or binding itself to other forms of energy such as electrical plasma.
Well I think Gengar is from another dimension, he’s an alternate reality version of of Clifable. They seem to replace the alien Pokémon wherever hey pop up including the Pokémon world and outer space.
Fun Fact:
Closely related species look more similar to one another when they’re developing than when they’re fully grown.
You can look at the fetuses of various pronates and I’m pretty sure you won’t be able to tell the difference.
With this in mind, I suspect comparing the first forms of Pokémon to be a more accurate tool than what you’ve been doing.
I think you should base each relationship off of how similar the eggs look then
@@jdsjigglypuff9419 not enough information we have not seen all 400 different eggs.
actually tho, by that logic, we would assume that fish are close relatives to tigers which they aren't. if you looked at them when they're fully developed, tigers are obviously more closely related to say bears than fish. you wouldn't assume that carvanha is more closely related to litten than cubchoo because they both have big eyes, black and red areas, and sharp teeth. you would assume beartic and incineroar are more closely related to each other than sharpedo because they have limbs.
There's a problem with this. Pokemon appear to regularly add or remove stages to their lines. A good example is the Rhynido branch. The Rhyperior line has two bipedal forms and a quadrupedal form whereas the Nidos have two quadrupeds and a biped. Also, Rhydon corresponds to the final stage of the Nidos but it's only a second stage. So, at some point either Rhyhorn lost its first stage or Nidorin@ gained a new first stage and Rhydon gained a new third evolution.
@@Markcrazeer oh true
7:37 In the anime, team rocket’s mimikyu has moments where it is separated from the doll and uses other objects to hide/protect itself from the sun.
I think mimikyu is the creature underneath the doll and could probably go with the other sprites.
Agreed.
Yea
Maybe every ghost Pokémon is just what Evers under the mimikyu cloth possessing different things
"The only other cyclops Pokemon I can think of is Woobat"
HOLD ON. Where do you think Woobats eyes are? It's Heart-shaped nose?
The eyes are covered with fur on opposite sides of the nose o-o
wait WHAT?! the heart isn’t its eye?!
@@MGH375 noooo, how would it be an eye when it has a heart design on it? And why would an eye then evolve to become a nose? How would it use its signature move Heart Stamp? Nothing about that makes sense x.x
I agree Charon, my buddy who is my friend. It is designed to look dumpy and floofy, like a Honduran White bat. I think Woobat accomplished the "blind bat" shtick better than zubat, who doesn't have eyes and looks hellish, rather than having eyes covered by floof.
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@@AdeptCharon i never thought about it before, i just saw a big circle and didn’t see any eyes so i thought it had one big pink eye with a heart shaped pupil
Gengar could be related to the other poison types of the region that seem to also be completely made of poison, like Muk and Wheezing
Or, more likely, the Nido line as he and they are both quite spiky.
I like the Weezing connection.
@@Chruxl4 yeah,they both are poison gas
Both Grimmer and Gastly have Pokédex entries talking about how they were born from from their base substance, such as Grimmer being born from toxic waste exposed to moon beams and Gastly being born from gas rising from grave yards, so I could buy into this. Plus they’re both in the amorphous egg group but the egg groups are kind of wack anyways
@@JediMasterRevenantMADNESS Gengar's spikes aren't even actual spikes made of physical material, and even if they were, that would be a very superficial connection, having spikes is not a unique trait, unlike being completely made up on gaseous poison.
I like to think there are three forms of ghosts in the Pokemon universe
Type 1, ghost type Pokemon that came from dead Pokemon (Yamask is the key example)
Type 2, non Pokemon ghosts (like those ghost girl Easter eggs)
Type 3, Pokemon with ghost type abilities (Decidueye is the key example)
That can explain why in the sun/moon anime, there is Mimikyu and Acerola’s dead Mimikyu
Isn't yamask a dead human?
@@deskojobo6313
Type 1 can include dead humans also, I just forgot to mention it
I would add a type 4 in which the Pokémon evolve and reproduce on their own and have ghost-like abilities but, unlike Type 3, they are "born dead" for lack of a better phrase and therefore unable to produce a ghost, but they also aren't the result of a possession or the death of a human or Pokémon like Yamasks and maybe Gengars are. These types specifically seem easily able to go back and forth, to and from the spirit world, too (so they're not escapees from it). As examples, Misdreavus, Mismagius, and the Duskull line come to mind among others, especially because they don't seem to need to possess anything in particular or have something die to manifest, thus lacking corporeal "bodies" that can perish in the traditional sense, but they still seem to have somehow evolved into existence on their own. Their natural state seems to be that of pure spirit.
i have a suggestion. Why no put drifloon, chandelure, mismagius, hatterene and other jellyfish - like pokemon into a jellyfish category?. They could be a terrestrial variety that evolved to produce gas to float in the air (if not by any infinity energy related means) this category could contain jellicent branching of earlier, staying aquatic, while the rest developed to live in land and to fly (or float). i think it would be a nice way to tie them together, being jellicent of the ghost type and other ghost pokemon just being heads with tentacles coming out of them.
I think that’s a awesome idea
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So they act like some species of Sea-squirt (and Polyp) but to an extreme degree with a gas inflated body section acting like a balloon.
@@apex2000 basically!
I know this is an odd one, but I figured I'd throw it out there: what if, similarly to how there are sentient mineral Pokemon, what if the Gengar line is more of a sentient natural gas? I don't know if they would have either came to life due to the ghost infinity energy or maybe in a similar way to mineral Pokemon, but you could say that Gastly resulted from natural gas and as it evolves it gains a more condensed form and a body. You could even say that is why the line can become intangible: it is simply becoming a less condensed form of gas so things pass through them and they can turn invisible. This would put it somewhere on the alien/mineral part of the tree.
P.s. thank you Toby for acknowledging the Dragapult situation! I was the one who made the original comment you responded to and it made my day to see you respond!
I love this and it makes total sense, also explains Will o’ wisp. I made a comment saying that it could possibly be an Ultra beast that got trapped and adapted to its new environment over time.
I was thinking the same! And it can actually apply to some other pokemon. Rotom is plasma, plasma is super heated gas. Dusknoir's mouth is a black hole, and black holes are formed when a massive star explodes, what are stars? Balls of gas.
Also, being that gas is the most malleable state of matter, some other ghost-types can also be classified as gas, and further sub-classified. Mimikyu's "hand" can stretch a lot more than a solid that fits under that blanket should. So, the "inner" Mimikyu is a gas, possessing something. As Toby said, we would need more info about Mimikyu to properly sub-classify it, BUT then we have the Rotom forms: A gas possessing man-made objects. Then we have the Cofagrigus and Trevenant, for example, we can see their "gassy" parts controlling an object. I'm not sure if Polteageist counts, as it's supposed to be liquid? But I think it also applies. Maybe have ghost pokemon divided into "gas (and gas possessing stuff)" and "stuff being possessed by ghost energy"? So pokemon like Aegislash would stay with the man-made pokemon, but on a special sub-branch of "possessed object", just like now Trevenant, Gourgeist and Delmise are a sub-branch of plant?
Honestly it's really hard to classify this, but the gas part feels like it's totally on the right track, at least for the Gengar line it feels the most accurate.
@@SeventeenGhost Actually, stars are giant balls of plasma.
yeah, GAStly is Poison type bc it's a cloud of poisonous gas animated by some spooky necrotic energy
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My theory is Dusknoir's somehow related to Guzzlord hehe!
I agree, dusknoir’s stomach opens up like guzzlords like it’s the actual mouth of the Pokémon
Doesnt his stomach go into another dimension or something and guzzlord is from another dimension
But Guzzlord looks like a giant pumpkin, so shouldn’t he be more related to Gourgeist than Dusknoir?
I just don't see any evidence that Dusknoir is an Ultra Beast, which it'd need to be to be related to Guzzlord. I do think it's definitely strange that two Pokemon convergently evolved to be so similar, as if the Pokemon world has some weirdly specific "large Pokemon with mouth on the abdomen" niche
@@tris-chan6419 Technically, Metagross’ mouth is on its stomach, and no one’s saying that one’s similar to these two. Hell, Gulpin and Swalot are sentient stomachs with mouths.
In my Invertebrate Zoology class, we learned how the Echinoderms (Seastars, Urchins, Sea-cucumbers, and Crinoids) were discovered to be closely related from their larval forms. I find this especially interesting because now with the introduction of Pincurchin, there is a Pokémon for each one of these groups
Cyclops? Woobat's heart is a nostril.
I actually didn;t know that!
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@@BirdKeeperToby Your other Evolution-Tree-Video has a huge mistake.
The Legendary Birds are not a proof of Divergency between Legendaries.
Check your facts and check the Pokedex. You got it wrong. Much so.
@@BirdKeeperToby Your other Evolution-Tree-Video has a huge mistake.
The Legendary Birds are not a proof of Divergency between Legendaries.
Check your facts and check the Pokedex. You got it wrong. Much so.
The first thing I think of when it comes to Rotom is Regieleki, in terms of both being pokemon that are made of just pure electricity. Maybe it's made of sparks that were cast off over the centuries?
To me, Ghost type Pokemon fall into three categories. One, Pokemon that have spiritual connections, but are still alive, such as Decidueye and Cursola. Two, Pokemon that are possessed objects, like Honedge and Bannette. Three, Pokemon that are straight up spirits, like Gengar and Mismagius.
I don't think ghost type infinity energy is literally related to death. The names of the types aren't always one to one, and if we look at arceus and the creation trio, we might get a better idea of what the types actually mean. Arceus shows that normal Is simultaneously every type, and no type. Moves like hyperbeam and tri-attack would be ones that combine energies, while tackle uses little to none. The other three show that dragon is probably raw, unrefined infinity energy, considering they are basically gods, and needed the raw power to create the world. And giratina's ghost typing, suggests that ghost deals more with dimensional shenanigans. That's why ghosts seem ethereal, because they can move across the 4th dimension, that we can't comprehend.
Especially since Giratina isn't representative of "Satan"/"Hell"(?) and more Anti-Matter//"Dark matter".
Normal Ghost; Ghost Normal
Matter and Antimatter always opposite, yet we can't fully comprehend either of them.
@@gabriellockwood2780 well the devil is part of it's inspiration. However that doesn't mean that it's literally that canonically. Kinda like how mamoswine is inspired partially off a wooly mammoth, but it's canonically just a pig.
i mean, palkia deals with "dimensional shenanigans" more than giratina does, being the pokemon of space and dimensions, and it's no ghost type. like the idea tho!
@@awesomesofar5963 when the pokedex entries for palkia mention that it lives in another dimension, it's using the word "dimension" when it should be saying "universe". That's one of my personal pet peeves in fiction. There's no such thing as an "alternate dimension" you can only be on a different location on a dimension. Like left and right is x, up and down is y, and forward and backwards are z, the three dimension that us as humans can comprehend. And when I say giratina and other ghosts move across the 4th dimension, I mean they are moving in a direction that we can't comprehend, or reach. In Pokemon platinum, when you enter the distortion world, I'm willing to bet that you are being forced across the 4th dimension. So palkia can control space and travel between alternate universes. Which in Pokemon canon seems to be different than alternate timelines. So palkia probably spends most of it's time somewhere in ultra space. The space between spaces.
@@blakdeth oh, i see. sounds like a pretty cool idea!
Gengar next to clefable. The gastly line is related to the cleffa line. Only difference is gastly haunter and gengar can move about the 4th dimension, while cleffa clefairy and clefable can't.
When the ultimate weapon was fired people died and the infinity energy fused with the human souls thus creating gengar
as somebody said in the comments of the last tree of life video, i personally think it comes down to a case by case basis. with some pokemon it’s obvious that they just... ghosts. they’re spirits. what they were before when they were alive would be the question with them, as for others it’s clear that they are undead.. ish. either they came back to life or something like that. with some of the pokemon you put into the “man made” category (like aegislash) do we count the ghost of the pokemon or do we just count to sword and shield? is there even a right answer to that? it in my opinion definitely depends on the pokemon we’re talking about, and we would probably have to go into the inspirations of some pokemon in order to explain some of them. good video! can’t wait for the theory about the last one there 👀
15:12 dude, Woobat has 2 eyes, they're just covered by the fur. That's its nose you're referring to...
This is just a random thought but since the Clefairy line seen to had a connection with a moon, would it be fitting that Gengar, being to resemble to Clefable, represent a dark side of a moon.
I bet he’s going to place Dusknoir with Gardevoir because of black holes.
A Pokémon theory I was wondering about or would like to see: is there some link between spiritomb and golurk as the odd keystone looks somewhat like golurks chest seal?
toby, there is an example of a mimikyu not using its pikachu blanket thing. in an episode of the anime called 'mimikyu unmasked' jessie's mimikyu's pikachu blanket thing rips and mimikyu has to go into a malasada bag to hide itself and not literally kill everyone nearby.
To be fair, in the anime, Mimikyu is proven to be a separate entity from the Pikachu cloak, when it falls off of it in the water.
what if: Gengar is an alternate universe Clefairy. the ties are very strong, but the Pokédex entries about it being from another dimension make sense via an old Gnoggin video, where Lockstin gave the lore ending with Mega Gengar planting itself into the ground. G-Max Gengar has now become part of the environment as opposed to just an entity, so perhaps that entry is supported further.
I think the combination of those 2 theories makes sense, as both in a way make sense and don't necessarily contradict imo
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I think Gengar and Clefable are definitely related on the evolutionary tree, but I don’t necessarily thing that Clefable is Gengar’s shadow, I just think that those are Pokédex myths.
The Pokemon world doesn't play by the same rules as ours, their rules are different. The dead can come back, there's living, possibly silicon based life in living stone pokemon. I definitely think that the animate stone Pokemon are all closely related, but ghost types? I think theyre definitely case by case. You made the right call with Dragapult, definitely, but there's a whole subsection of Pokemon that "used to be human" And if we take that information that humans can become Pokemon as fact, then Pokemon such as Alakazam, Trevenant and Gengar should be right next to each other on the tree since theyre all much more close to human than any other Pokemon
Below are some of my thoughts and ideas about this video.
1) I can get behind Aegislash, its evolution line, as well as Shuppet and Banette being placed with the man-made Pokémon section of the Evolution Tree. The Aegislash evolution line are possessed weapons, while Shuppet and Banette are possessed dolls, puppets, and marionettes.
Mimikyu, however, I believe may go into the Fairy section. It wears the disguise, but in the anime we see that Mimikyu's true self is a dark, amorphous blob. I would like to ask, just in case, whether Mimikyu may qualify as a seelie fairy, an unseelie fairy, or a yokai.
2) As for Drifblim and Chandelure, and by proxy their evolution lines, could they be a type of mimic like in D&D and medieval fantasy? Meaning that they would be placed either with Electrode or Amoonguss? Perhaps they use a predatory form of camouflage?
3) Is it possible that if the Dex entries are incredulous tales, that Spiritomb could fall under the mineral section of the Tree since the Pokémon comes out of the Odd Keystone?
4) I agree with placing Mismagius in the Fairy branch next to Hatterene. You made a good, clever point.
5) The Gengar line could be a gas-related Pokémon. Although, you pointing out the theory that Gastly and Cloyster are related reminded me that when either regional variant of Slowpoke is bitten by Shellder, poisons are secreted. With the Galarian variants in particular, Galarian Slowpoke gains the Poison typing, which becomes its primary typing rather than its secondary typing. With Galarian Slowking, it is possible, or at least probable, that Shellder is possessing the newly-evolved Slowking like a puppet king. I don't know if that means that the Gastly/Cloyster connection theory has more solid ground to stand on, but it was something that came to mind when you brought them up.
6) I have no idea where I would put Rotom or the Dusknoir evolution line. I am, however, interested in your upcoming Dusknoir theory video.
There are some things about Ghost Type Pokémon that don't make sense, but in terms of my favourites, I like a good old Gengar which has its own complexities in its own right.
I dont know if this is something thats been considered, but using real world hypotheses about ghosts from a more scientific position, its been suggested that haunted places are simply areas where people have died and the electrical current that flows through the body gets kinda stuck. Evolutionary wise I would say that means ghost pokemon are objects that have accidently absorebed this current, and things like Dehlmise can be placed on the plant branch, but inanimate objects didnt actually evolve at all, but literally just appeared one day. Whether that be one object forever ago that has then branched off into all the others, or they all just appeared on their own separate of each other would be up to the experts, lol
Saying that none of the ghost types are actual ghosts and instead just evolved from other things just... doesn't make sense to me. Yes, the older Pokedexes were wrong a lot but I think there has been less embellishment overtime. The Yamask lines, Gengar, and Dusknoir are 100% dead things.
Also the anime isn't canon, it's referenced in the main series sometimes but just because in an older episode ash became a ghost that doesn't mean ghost Pokémon aren't dead things.
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I personally disagree with where you put mimikyu. Unlike the others that you mentioned, mimikyu isn't possessing it's disguise and is merely hiding behind it. So the question becomes: what is hiding beneath mimikyu's disguise? Personally I would think about placing it with some other fairy/spirit like pokémon, but definitely not with the man-made ones! (I know you mentioned this bit I still think that it should be moved. I know the pokedex isn't always true, but I do agree. We know that mimikyu can exist without the pikachu disguise, and it also makes sense to me that it would disguise as a pikachu in order to get people to like it, as this is something that real life animals evolve to do, so we know it's possible.
we need a Baby Mimkyu before it makes the costume (maybe like a ghost pichu but with no cloth)
Gengar's line is toxic gas, so close to koffing would be my guess.
oh Gengar could be extra dimensional, much like the Ultra Beasts.... maybe Gengar is it's dimesion's equiverelent of a Clefable (thus closing the lore loop)
You almost sounded like Lockstin's "It all comes together" when you were talking about the pearls.
I like to imagine Toby has a giant whiteboard somewhere with hundreds of pokemon names, arrows, and general scribbles.
This is probably a stretch, but I have an idea about the Gengar line. Kanto has the most poison Pokemon by far, as well as a history of pollution and abandoned human structures. What if Gastly, Haunter, and Gengar are some combination of the pollutants of the region combined with Ghost type infinity energy. Possibly filling an ecological niche as there are no other ghost types in the region, as well as possibly cleaning the area?
Rotom Theory:
Rotom is Electricity infused with Infinity Energy brought about by man-kinds ever growing power consumption along with his ability to be used as a "power source" for most appliances. When we first see Rotom it comes from a CRT (cathode-ray tube) television which in its name has a tube inside of it much like a light bulb. In Galar when you use the Rotom Catalog to revert Rotom back to his original form it shows that you do so by using a light bulb. Out side of the Old Chateau the only place you see wild Rotom is in Galar, the Region that is so energy dependent that Chairman Ross resurrects Eternatus to use it's Infinity Energy or it's life force as an unlimited source of power to curb man's ever nearing energy crisis. As the newer generations take place further down the time line regions grow and produce/consume more power and such more Rotom have begun to appear. Due to Rotoms ability to interact with electronics he/it is widely sought after being implemented into PCs, Pokedexes, and Smartphones. Even seeing other regions that do not naturally have rotom in the wild such as Alola import Rotom for day to day use.
But how did Electricity become infused with Infinity Energy the life force of all Pokemon...? Well, we already have a Pokemon that can travel between the physical world and the digital one. Porygon, after a few years he got an upgrade to Porygon2. As man expands their knowledge they need a Pokemon that can process more power and try to upgrade Porygon again into Porygon3, but something goes wrong with the upgrade (in the name "dubious disc") so man seeks to create a new Pokemon, one that can handle modern technology more efficiently.
I think Sinistea and Polteageist are based on the Japanese folklore that once an item has become over 100 years old or somewhere around that number (like an old teapot for example), it basically creates a spirit of itself. It sort of comes to life as a spirit even though it’s an inanimate object.
I could very easily see Gengar being a group of Clefairy that got trapped in the distortion world. So that bit about them coming from another dimension would actually make a lot of sense!
I like the way you and lockstin go over Pokémon you sound like Pokémon professors giving lectures, but in a fun way
HoopsnHipHop's ghost theory is honestly the most compelling pokemone theory I've heard, period. I feel like they all just draw energy from the Distortion Realm.
Woobat isn't a cyclop... that's its nose!
I think Rotom is related to Shuppet. It's a shuppet that was affected by electricity!
Dusknoir could be related to guzzlord they both have mouths on their stomachs and small eyes on their head in the same spot
surely dusknoir is most closely related to guzzlord...?
I mean if we were to take the side games to account, Gengar was once a human in Mystery Dungeon red/blue so the dex was mainly referencing that
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Dusknoir kinda reminds me of Guzzlord, they both have mouths on their bellies
I was thinking the same when he mentioned there not being anything similar. If it is the theory he has it'd make sense to make it separate too, since having it be related to a UB would require quite an explanation, but we'll see.
I mean Gastly being related to Shelder could also explain the poison typing of Galarian Slowbro and Slowking since the poison typing comes from the Shelder. Then from that point the Gastly gets the ghost typing when the Shelder dies upon a beach as well as it's slight poison typing
Although I do agree that clefable and Gengar could be related like the shadow theory suggest, I can't remember where I heard this, but I remember one of my friends saying that Gengar could be based on the Cheshire cat from Alice in wonderland, which kinda makes sense, it also could mean that if true, maybe it could be related to cat Pokemon, which would mean that clefable being an alien could also be related to cats, and like skitty and delcatty evolving from a moonstone could hint at this (but this all could be a stretch based on something a friend told me that might not even be true)
Woobat has two eyes covered by fur, the heart shape is on its nose
In my opinion the Gengar line might be a sort of elemental or sprite like entitle with an affinity for poison
Honestly? I think ganger is related to driftloon, because it's kind of like possessed gas
Mimikyu is explicitly a spooky fae creature wearing a costume, not a possessed costume, since i believe the sun and moon games mention that mimikyu dressing up like pikachu is a fairly recent development for the species and in the anime we see mimikyu changing costumes while still being fundamentally the same creature, so it would fit in the same category as other fairies
the Pkmn Sun Dex entry for Kadabra says "A theory exists that this Pokémon was a young boy who couldn't control his psychic powers and ended up transformed into this Pokémon."
so both Kadabra & Gengar (at least 1 of which) have been kids once. thus these lines are theoretically linked the same way Machamp & Golem are.
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You should change the ghost tree on the poster to a dead tree to better fit the spooky theme
Fun fact: ghost type (and dark type) is so broken that Sableye, a ghost/dark Pokémon, has only one weakness: fairy. That's right, when Sableye was released, it was impossible to get a super effective move unless you used odor sleuth or identify, but who has a Pokémon with one of those moves?
Gengar is clefairy’s negative energy that turns into a black cloud then evolves into a haunting voice in their heads and then evolves into their shadow
Wait is woobat a Cyclops? I always thought the heart was it's nose, and that the tufts of fur on either side covered it's eyes.
you're correct :)
Toby said in a comment here he's wrong
Of you have a spot for mimics, like electrode, Driftlim and Chandlure could go there.
I think Gengar is absolutely Clefable's shadow, and if you're only focusing on the final evolutions, this makes the most sense for consistency.
Rotom is interesting, because it was first discovered in the Old Château, and there was only one. Plus, the only other occupants of the house are human ghosts, leading me to believe that it's either a ghost of a person that got killed by electrocution, or was an experiment with electricity that led to an EMP that killed the other residents of the Old Château. In either case, it is man-made - its just whether its a dead person or a new life form
Personally, I think dusknoir is somehow related to guzzlord.
I mean doesnt dusknoir send stuff to another dimension in its stomach and guzzlord is from another dimension
Rotom is the living freed energy from Castform's Thunderbolt striking some sort of appliance.
I like the theory that ghosts either come from the distortion world or from the energy of the distortion world leaking into the Pokemon world
Always excited to see more of this series! Not sure what to add though ^^, just another great video!
No wonder that poor sadninja was dead tobby shook it very roughly.
I feel like a lot of object pokemon were originally ghost types. Like they started life as objects possessed by ghosts and eventually evolved into their own creatures.
Just an interesting thing that occurred to me, white coral isn’t dead yet. The plant has expelled the zooxanthellae because the temperature/pH is wrong but if the conditions return to normal the zooxanthellae can return. It’s when they’re covered in algae that you know they’re dead. Imagine if gamefreak had done a shedinja nijask type thing with corsola where we met a new pokemon based on zooxanthellae that left the johtoan corsola.
Gengar: I think you can cross them coming from another dimension and being the shadow of Clefable.
Gengar maybe it's a doppelganger of Clefable from another dimension Maybe the Ghost World if we think that exists or Distortion World? (making it a negative spirit).
Rotom: Plasma is one of the four fundamental states of matter Plasma can be artificially generated by heating a neutral gas or subjecting it to a strong electromagnetic field.
with that in mind I would link it to some Pokemons made out of gas most likely Drifblim and Chandelure but could also be a superheated Gastly . and are you not ignoring the clear connections between Rotom and Shuppet (the last bit is a joke)
the ghost & dead part is also proven fact by the SM Anime
where Acerola has a ghost-ghost (dead) Mimikyu as a partner
that shiny Mimikyu of hers can float & things go through her
Ghosts send shivers down my spine (;•_•) or is that spooky scary skeletons? Ah it doesn’t matter, this was an excellent video! Ghosts and Pokémon Evolution are a complicated combination, and you always manage to discuss things like this quite well!
Also this was such a fun video! There were so many jokes XD I love it!
Toby should sell Sinistea on his merch store
Hey pumpkaboo can just defeat almost every ghost Pokémon by trapping it in itself and then guiding it to the afterlife
I have a suggestion for the ice body pokemon. Since they are essentially made up of frozen water, they should go with Vaporeon, who’s molecular composition is almost completely water I believe.
So for Gengar I think it could be an Alien Parasite that lives in a symbiotic relationship with Clefable and that's why it's regarded as it's "Shadow" something I just thought about.
Yeah, I think the Ice Spirits would fit in just fine in the Fae section of the Tree
Guess before I see it, Dragapult is a salamander of sorts that’s dead.
Update: It was an amphibian tho. I got close.
maybe mimikyu is a ultra beast because it is found in galar and alola where ultra worm holes are found in mount lanakila and crown tundra and it is from a another diminasion that is probably why we can't comparant mimikyu's true form
WAIT! Don’t put Runnigrous with the man-made pokemon! It’s a possessed STONE! The drawing on it was drawn by man but the stone is still just stone
Gen 9 should have your merch as customisation options
Just wanna point out at 15:14 Woobat isn’t actually a cyclops. That circle with a heart shape in it is actually its nose. It’s actual eyes are covered by the little W’s that represent fuzzy fur over its eyes. It uses its nose to stick to the ceilings of caves to hang around and also to Stamp enemies, hence why it learns the move Heart Stamp.
i have an idea:Gengar should be left alone,gengar is interdemansial,but is also a dead person????/What?I think it should you should make a another universe sort of tree for gengar,the ultra beasts and more.
Some of your placements I like, but I think it was a good idea to just have a separate tree for ghosts, I mean the "spirit world" is another dimension, so it has different laws of physics and biology, so a separate tree makes more sense
So, we actually know a little more about Mimicyu, theres an episode of the Cartoon that gets into it after Jesse's Mimicyu's disguise got wrecked & it had to inhabit a paper bag for a while.
Uhm... Toby... Woobat is not a cyclops... that thing on his face is his nose...
Technically we dont know if ghost pokemon are even real in our own world cuz if they were we cant see em.
Dinosaurs are probably lies to cover up the existence of Pokémon and they all turned to ghost pokemon so technically only ghost pokemon are real and all other types of pokemon aren’t.
Also i dont believe in ghosts
I subscribe to Hoops and Hip Hop's theory that the "Ghost" type is really just the antimatter type, so they can still go on the evolutionary tree of life. I think your placements are good. Happy Halloween, Toby!
I would put many of them closer (such as chandelure, drifblimb, and misdeeds is) to species like Corsola and Cursola and other echinoderms. Either that or jellyfish, because they look visually similar. As they have the many branching tentacles, like a jellyfish or a corals branches
I was looking at what Peony says about Galarian Zapdos in the max den, and he said "Oho, here it is!
Our imposter Zapdos!
Seems like it's done it's best to be jagged and spiky and make its beak nice and sharp.
It really wants to be a proper Zapdos!"
This really confused me since it makes it seem like Galarian Zapdos is a regular Pokemon trying to be Zapdos, and not the real Zapdos adapted to the environment near it. He says simular things about Moltres and Articuno, calling them "Imposters". This is really strange and I've been wondering about it for a few days, wonder what you think about it.
Damn I’m watching this 2 hours before Halloween day.
maybe Rotom is created when a lightning ball (the natural event) happens in a place that has concentrated ghost energy
We've seen Mimikyu in the anime showing the fact that its mishmash of a Pikachu costume is just that a costume. From the want to be looked at and admire by people who love Pikachu.
There was an entire episode from the anime where Jessie's Mimikyu's pikachu outfit had severely damaged and he couldn't wear for most of the episode until Jessie managed to fix it. We even see it take the costume off to take a swim in one of the earlier episodes of Sun and Moon.
As for what Mimikyu is... well it's heavily implied to be some sort of being of eldritch origins. A ghost/fairy creature whose mere appearance will at the very least make you comatose for a while and at worst threaten to kill you. Mainly because its true form is something that human mind cannot fully comprehend.
So if there's any place Mimikyu could be on your tree I'd put it among the extraterrestrials but on a loan branch given its unique origins.
Dusknoir and Golurk would be golem pokemon, and by definition man made. Ditto the Claydol line.
Perhaps the gengar line is a split off of the drifblim/chandelure lineage. If their bodies are held aloft by “spectral gases,” what if a ghastly is just that gas without the skin. Haunted and gengar are after it learned to control the gas more so it can take a more physical looking appearance.
Another option with the same logic would be the gasses of a wheezing without the outer shell.
You should make a fake Pokemon card with the card keeper toby logo on it with references or easter eggs in it
Immediate reaction dusknoir is related to guzzlord: big mouth in the body - that looks like a face, smaller head on top, both involve dimension stuff and the colour schemes are similar dark grey/black & yellow
Personally I like to see the ghost Pokemon as sort of pure life energy that becomes sort of "born" the moment it clumps together and latches onto something and becomes a "living" being. To use Gastly for example, the life energy clings to literal toxins in the air, and or perhaps even negativity itself, and as it condenses and wraps it becomes the spherical body that when it gathers enough of that life energy is "born" into a Gastly. Then as a Gastly it continues to gather more in order to make itself bigger and stronger to become a Haunter, then finally refines and condenses that body down further to become Gengar. Thus they're less "dead" or "ghosts" in the way we usually think, but beings born with powers related to life energy and the spiritual world. It works pretty much for the majority of Pokemon that are ghost typed. They're either born of this life energy, the energy gathering and clinging onto something until enough of this energy "gives life/birth" to a ghost type, or they grow to wield that energy themselves such as Pokemon like Decidueye or Giratina. Think of it like a 3rd form of reproduction. Live birth, cellular division, and in the world of Pokemon life via energy collecting and reacting as it forms together condensing and colliding to create the energy needed to bring about a newly created soul that clings to a nearby acceptable host "body". Ultimately it'd result in them less being directly linked to the other Pokemon and more sort of being created by the fated impacts of collected life energy. A bit like how manmade Pokemon are created by the hands of man, these ghosts are created by natural reactions of particles and energy in the environment and their relations with other objects. Be it the formation of ectoplasm, clinging onto an object, or binding itself to other forms of energy such as electrical plasma.
Well I think Gengar is from another dimension, he’s an alternate reality version of of Clifable. They seem to replace the alien Pokémon wherever hey pop up including the Pokémon world and outer space.