Why This MIT Dropout Started an Anti-College
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- Опубліковано 6 чер 2024
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Disenchanted with the out-of-date curriculum of traditional college, Jeremy Rossmann dropped out of MIT. Within a few years, he and co-founder Ashu Desai, started The Make School, a college replacement program for founders and developers.
"Our core philosophy is if you teach the same thing two years in a row, it's got to be wrong because computer science as a field and software engineering as a discipline is moving so fast," said Rossmann.
Instead of tests, there's project-based work. Instead of tuition upfront, there's a debt-free model charged to students only once they find employment after graduation. The Make School also claims to bring its students better access to top tech company functions, networking, and guidance as they shape their career.
Classes focus on developing desirable qualities and capabilities as expressed by current hiring managers in Silicon Valley. Beyond programming classes, subjects also include nutrition, health, writing, and exercise - tools to succeed in a professional life.
"And then some more general life skills, communication, empathy, understanding the history of tech and then a big segment on ethics. So Uber, what do we think? Airbnb, where do we stand? Is it okay to start a company in that way? Is it beneficial for society? Are the laws out of date? How does this all work behind the scenes?" Rossmann continued.
In September 2015, The Make School began its first academic year with nearly 30 full-time students in the founding class. Some students are fresh out of high school, some have left their colleges to pursue education here instead. They all live together in dorm-like housing in San Francisco, and though they may also be carrying fake IDs, it's not to sneak into bars for fun like their university-counterparts. It's usually to be able to hear a tech company founder speak at a networking event, or meet other contacts in the industry for a job.
Not everyone is on board with the new program, including some parents, who prefer their children still attend traditional, name-recognized universities. To which Rossmann responds, "When LinkedIn and Lyft and these companies with tens of millions of dollars of funding are all committing contractually to coming and recruit here, and they don't come to the school where your child is studying, that means something."
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I absolutely love this. For the longest time in my own life I've wanted to redefine the education system and how it operates. This seems to be almost a perfect model for how I thought it should be. Bravo.
+MetricZero We agree!
+Seeker Stories Your team is good at "ANTI" videos!
+MetricZero I agree too. Most students actually go to college in order to get a higher income so it makes since that some schools should teach how to get a higher income.
This guy has the right idea.
edit. There needs to be something like this for business. Teaching how to actually be successful in business, not just how to be someone else's employee.
+MetricZero It's funny because I was smoking weed with my buddy and I thought of this exact education model too.
***** huh? Could you explain?
His mindset and ideology of education is excellent, I agree with it.
Thanks effort that amazing insight on formal education in the USA, Anime Balls Deep
This is the future. I would totally opt for this if it was available 7 years ago.
+Izzy Mendez 10% acceptance rate though? goodluck
I meant to say the concept is amazing, not this particular school. San Francisco is not the most ideal place for a broke college kid to go either.
+EdwardRichtofen If its only a 10% acceptance then it Sounds like it's the people who would get scholarships anyway.
Basicly it sounds like they copied the European funding system for residence but raised the entry standards because there no government funding.
In Europe the government's recoup the money in taxes as well as the 9% over x amount a year for the student debit.
For this organisation the US government's most likely gets the money in increased taxes not them so they need more people to be able to repay afterwards and probably have to charge a higher amount for equivalent costs involved as well. If they could some how get a government grant to account for the increased tax revenue they could expand faster and increase acceptance possibly with a partial scholarship program or the same cores with slightly different names but varying in amount of repayment and competitiveness to account for the fact that some people are more likely to repay than others.
Hey Izzy what did you take?
Very cool.
I really like the "take a percent of salary" style. That gives the professors real incentive. I've experienced lots of lazy professors in public university who have lost their creativity and passion and who seem stuck in old ways of thinking. Rather than inspiring kids to reach their potentials.
+GoldJacketLuke Or maybe they know they have tenure and know they can't be fired.
Thats how it works for everyone here in Australia - the Gov loan you tuition fees then once you earn a salary over a certain threshold they take their repayments.
You don't need an education to be successful. I dropped out out high school for being bullied and opened my own business. Never looked back after that.
heh, dropped out by a same reason and became a top engineer at a company by myself. now i try to start my business just like you did and i SUCK AT IT! :D
al Starting a business doesnt just require radically different sets of skills from what school teaches, you need a completely new mindset.
Entrepreneurship is learned creatively by taking risks and being open to making mistakes rather than using a mindset of "which answer is correct?"
the cost of collge shits on my hopes and dreams
I think this is an awesome idea; I went the traditional route - I don't have as much debt as average college graduate, but I do have enough that would prevent me from living the life I want to live. I will argue that there are lessons college teaches students outside of the classroom.
Overall, college and higher education should be treated as a form of enrichment, not a business.
+nessabirdie Well put!
+nessabirdie yes the business part of education has lowered the standards of education because these schools know they can charge large sums and won't be questioned for it. Hopefully we will continue to get more alternatives for education in the future because our current system is broken. Right now this large universities hold all the cards but when more of this better schools pop up to compete against them we might be able to improve the quality of education as well as the affordability.
+Garum Kutay it depends on the skill set you have going on. I don't recall taking a class I didn't need to graduate. I would argue if you don't she the value in what you paying for, look for something else.
Higher education rewarded for purely for performance of its graduates--an elegantly simple idea!
I think this is an awesome idea!
Why should schools be so damned expensive?
***** I guess it's more of a problem in the USA, because in many developed countries, te government pays about half of the college fees along with study subsidies.
+Kaiser bills on what? Oh, bills that dont directly benefit student's success.
+ataiwanese Bills because professors, their scientific research, their workers, the workers doing all the paper work etc needs to be payed. The electricity needs to be paid, the rooms must be warm at wintet etc.
My professor at a German university told us that only for this term and this subject the costs for tutors was around $25k.
+erikpoephoofd not my country. However our cost is low and a undergraduate degree is all you need to be employed.
+kanna kataX and those are the benefit for professor which i hate so much
I have been reading books like "The End of College" and watching videos from leading innovators and problem solvers. It is too true that the world is looking for certificates and degrees and not people who think, and develop, and push the boundaries.
So true...
This made my day
+Demoris Jackson Well you made OUR day, Demoris.
When I was in high school I once asked one of my teachers, "how long did it take you to pay off your college debt?" He said he was still paying it off, he was in his early 40's.
Everything you learn in college can be found on Wikipedia
+GnarlyBroMr Hell yeah!
Not really, not specific stuff
+Josabad Munoz but it's a good starting point.
+GnarlyBroMr Absolutely! Learning how to organize ideas through exchange with a cherry-picked socieconomic/academic elite is something you can read at your pace while chilling in your bungalow. You can learn to handle responsibilities, invest yourself entirely into your self-growth while trying to maintain a balanced and healthy life on wikipedia. Challenging yourself to learn more and more material every day, becoming a credible (tested) "expert" in something in a few days of studying, expressing yourself clearly in front of an audience.. Emh. College is useless right? :-)
+GnarlyBroMr You can't learn connections on Wikipedia...
I'm graduating in a couple of weeks and I cry at night because of how much and how long I'll be paying on my student loans.
tell me the full story ._.
+Treasons Beta Are you crying over the loans or over the degree you chose?
+James Bond I GUESS LOAN. AND IF YOU GET ANYTHING IN ARTS YOU DESRVE TO CRY BECAUSE ART DEGREES ARE USLESS UNLES ITS SCIENCE!!
Well that's a shame. Not good enough for a scholarship or too white for Affirmative Action?BLOODYRAINBOW - SFM SOURCE FILMAKER DUDE
+Treasons Beta apparently marketing won. LOLs. Well when you have kids you have lesson and story to tell.
Education should not be a business...
But it already is
I hope this survives. We really need more of this hands-on learning and less of the standardised testing
I think this idea is awesome. College debt has tripled over the past ten years and I think this would be a great way to help combat it. Student debt does scare me which is one of the reasons I don't want to go to college.
+Amanda Jean You're doing yourself a favor by not going to college. It's super expensive and unless you're getting a degree in the sciences, engineering or medical you're likely to not get a return. At least anytime soon.
Skye ID Unfortunately that's something they fail to mention when they send brochures about colleges. It's very tough especially if you went to an expensive school and can't find a job in your field. Or worse the job only pays a fraction of what you need to pay up the loans. I feel your pain. The only thing I can wish anyone in that situation is getting a hefty raise or a better job. But sadly in most cases that's hopeful wishing.
I am so glad for you, not only is debt a problem but also how you do not learn much and the indoctrination they cram down your throat.
There is also a problem with such schools because an easy way to make sure your students' salaries are going to be high is to select students who are already top of the class. A school's societal benefit is not determined by the quality of its students, but rather by the quality of its students relative to where they started from.
Amazing idea. Graduated at 2 year school and went to 4 year school. Price was doubled or more and gotten so bored on only focusing on the grades and not what I was learning that I ended up dropping out. Been learning online through UA-cam videos and other websites like w3schools.
I am a traditional school veteran having done 13 years between undergrad, business school, and law school. Luckily, I did not rack up a lot of debt in doing so, but many of my friends with similar backgrounds had huge student loan debt. I absolutely love this model of education and I hope it becomes successful.
I regret my student loans, even though I paid them off in 5 years.
+Ivan Travels All of those other ways you could have spent that money, boosting the economy...
+Philthy Fork Buying awesome shit like cars or Arcade machines XD
+Ivan Travels how the hell did you pay it off in 5 years?
+vaugn316 good job, and live at home with the rents, i did the same thing.
+Ayana C. Sure.
I think most degrees don't prepare students for careers, which is what a lot of people go to school for. My business degree didn't teach me how to sell myself or how to sell to others. It sucked for a while because it felt like I'd been sold the wrong degree. None of my professors saw the tech bubble coming. None of them saw the mortgage crisis coming. Many openly admitted that when markets got tough, they retreated back to teaching. It didn't exactly fill me with a lot of confidence in what I was being taught.
where was this?
It makes me so happy to see the notification that you guys have posted new content in my email.
Great idea and great coverage to carry it out!
This is the definition of learning, we need more people like you Jeremy Rossmann.
Great stuff. I'm glad that I met these guys in person. ;)
This is so much better, and its a centre of attraction for students who only really want to learn and teachers who really want to deliver something useful.
"IS the cost of college impacting me?"
Yeah. Right now I am 1 year away from graduating with a degree in in Engineering but I might now be able to since I'm short $6000 on tuition....
Go College...
go cheaper college
Yeah college is pricey but when you think about how much you spend and the amount of time invested compared to all the years you have to work to get an entry level job and pay off debt and live a normal life, it's not worth it. A degree is something to strive for and have buy who's to say you have to have a degree from a top college in a top field to get a good paying job? I've met many electrical engineers and they start off low, project managers get more pay then they do, IT professionals with certifications get more than those who have masters. If you choose a career that pays bad, a degree won't give you that extra income. People say these days, a degree is necessary for a high paying job, well I've met guys with no degree and they get six figures. It's about who and what you know and the field your in; also don't forget company and area too.
Didn't they teach you how to write in college?
+Matt I didn't know formal language was necessary for nit-picking rabble like you.
$6000 is not a lot. I have more than $6,000 saved right now.
Amazing! I fully support this
This is great! Bravo!
This is soo great!!!
I'm soo glad people like Jeremy Rossman exist. That's gutsy...
This is beautiful. This is like renovating education. I love how numbers on papers aren't motivating the students, its the desire to better themselves. Make school is a shining example of the few positives left in human society. The determination to better yourself
This is awesome! We love it. Cheers!
We looked it up and "tuition for Make School through your internship earnings during the program and 25% of your first two years' salary after graduation."
this is a awesome model ! hope this will be the new norm, not only motivates schools to up their game since quality is even more important. The use of practial real problems is actually in my opinion one of the bigest problems traditional school lacks. bravo!
I have an almost daily talk with my good friend and co-worker about the whole University system being broken. We both went to a big state school and were able to get into a very good graduate program in a big city and we are both now working for the government in a very competitive field. We both attribute about less than 1% of our success to our actual undergraduate school. They did nothing to prepare us or teach us the skills we would need to succeed. It is mind blowing, especially in the 'softer' skill world (ie political science, foreign affairs), there is no type of networking classes offered. We have tried to create a program where we identify undergraduate students from our alma matter and help them. We have to immediately throw out the resumes the 'career center' designed for them and literally teach them the basics of how to write an email, how to properly follow up, how to talk to someone about your career, etc. We've pitched this to our alumni association, deans, and the career center with no success. In short, if you aren't writing them a check, they don't care. Luckily we have identified 1 (yes there is just 1 person) who has the NEW job of identifying organizations/companies who might be interested in hiring these students. She has been great about helping us identify students in need of help. In short, universities want bigger buildings, nicer classrooms, famous research, and huge stadiums, but could give two shits about helping students make it in the world post graduation.
"THERE SHOULD NOT BE A WAY FOR A SCHOOL TO SUCCEED OTHER THAN PRODUCING SUCCESSFUL STUDENTS!" #Truth
Brilliant. And as slow as the greens could’ve been back then that downhiller sure looked slick on 18!
Being a senior in Highschool and looking at the price of college scares me. I am looking so far ahead into my future I sometimes wonder if I am doing the right thing. Hopefully more colleges will take this approach in the near future
me too and I'm not sure if I want to join this particular college
Exactly what I think! Glad to know that others think like me and that I am not alone!
This reminds me of my Multi-Media class in college. My teacher didnt really have quizes or tests but said that our grade would be based on how much we can "WOW" him with the material we built in and out of class.
absolutely amazing what these guys are doing.
Great concept.
I am a student from Malaysia who spent so much time going through the entire process of getting a spot in Boston University. It was a costly and difficult process especially with security and what not. A 33 hour flight, getting stopped at airports and finally I was in the promise land. A month went by and I our already meager economy tanked, and US universities for international students are crazy. So my dream ended there. I am now back home in Malaysia, getting older and will never be able to fulfill my ambition of studying in uni. I'm sad.
I wish Jeremy Rossmann continued success. I knew that something was wrong when I saw tons of friends who graduated with crushing debt and that we were hurried by our university whose tone was basically "declare a major or get suspended."
Kudos to Rossmann to redefine what true requisite education is and I really hope to see those types of schools nationwide.
this is perfect!!! AWESOME
This is such a great idea, if I ever were to start an engineering/science college I would definitely adopt this idea.
This is how education should work... students should be motivated by their passion not grades
its like one out of millions takes these kind of risk which is beneficiary to almost every single person and make school is one of such step . I am glad to know about this school , and may be I would love to join it really soon .
I checked out the fees of several global renowned universities and what I saw clearly broke my confidence because they are actually highly expensive or say unaffordable for us .
what you and your colleagues have done is exceptional and I support your step totally
I am glad to see people are willing to take risks to find a better way to educate people. Tap into a persons true passion, what they are really interested in, and that person will learn without very much guidance. The problem with our current education system is that it doesn't allow us to tap into our passions as easily. School is just one giant grind to get that grade on a test, that is it.
+ParaditeRs Exactly my point!
+ParaditeRs no...if you are passionate about something you can learn it on your own, so you don't need this MakeSchool scam. what school gives is a complete set of notions in an area...as every college student knows, there are subjects you like and subjects you don't like, but that you definitely will need later on, even if you don't realize it...stuff you would not study on your own. Believing otherwise is just foolish.
Bloodream You need that document called a degree stating that you are "knowledgeable" enough in your field. You could be a prodigy in your field but if you don't have that degree, you're skills are as good as worthless when looking for a job.
+ParaditeRs Let's put it this way...they clarify one thing: this is ONLY directed at "founders" and "developers"...now...I am NOT saying you need a degree for that, but that all you can do with this MakeSchool project, you can do it by yourself, completely (of course, if you commit to it). And that is only the first point, and here I speark from experience. The second point is that there is a context around what you study, whatever you study (computer science or not), which is made of multiple things, and if you want to be a software engineer it's hardly enough to know how to program. There are so many other things to it, such as mathematics, would you ever study it properly? unlikely, very very so much unlikely. That degree is a proof that you have a certain level of knowledge in a set of things, an area. You can be a waiter with a physics degree, you won't be a rocket engineer with high school. A lot of people (students) hate to study, let alone spend that much for it (again: mainly a US problem), likely you won't think the same later on. College is not just useful for learning a couple of things, it gives you much much more than that (or tries to anyway).
Don't talk about prodigy as if everyone is, cause that clearly cannot be. Still, a prodigy needs guidance too.
+Paradite to be honest, my boss never asked for any degree. long time ago, we talked about it once and he said "what will i do by that paper except putting it's copy here on shelf; i need a job done not some silly documents".where i work, i haven't heard of any employee who was asked to bring a diploma. most of them are self taught.
This is so amazing. Wow
Great video and a fantastic concept. Beyond the obvious questions such as what percent they take I wonder what steps are initiated to ensure meaningful employment is secured. It's one thing to have a skill set its another to find/convince an employer to hire you
just one word, AMAZING!
Simply amazing. Good on him. He picked the right city to start it in, too.
This is amazing... we need to realize that the important part is to lear and became an active person in this word, not just get a degree and spend so many years in college without practice in the real life problems and issues
I like the idea that your school work isn’t just exams and papers. It’s actually working on something that you could use in an everyday application. What we learn from universities and such, are things that don’t necessarily give any importance to what we would do at a job.
O:28 is the whole point ....great work guys
This doesn't sound beneficial, merely a different method of doing the same thing. If I go to a traditional school, then I get debt, and a percentage of my paycheck goes to paying back for my education. If I go to the Make School, then I have no debt, but still a percentage of my paycheck goes to paying back for my education. How long do I have to continue paying back Make School? Forever? What if I just choose not to pay despite having a job? Do they sue me? What if I just lie about how much my job pays? Do they audit me? What I get a job then lose it? Do I have to continue paying what I was before? What if I want to pay upfront anyways instead of paying a percentage of future salary? Will they allow me? What if I choose to pay with student loans? Will they reject me? What if I attend one year and then transfer? Do I still have to pay a percentage to cover my brief time there? What if I transfer in for my final year? Do I have to pay less than people there for 4 years? With this many questions, this Make School model doesn't sound like an actual innovation. In a lot of ways it sounds like a profiteering scam; an equivalent of free-to-play: the candy crush of schools.
+TheJaredtheJaredlong I'm sure the owner never thought about any of the things you mentioned and the school should be closed now that you thought about it.
+Iris Ho lmaoo
+Iris Ho You're so ignorant, he actually proposed some good questions..
Int Er Instead of pulling information out of his ass, he should put some effort in getting some actual facts right before claiming the school is a "profiteering scam". Or maybe spend 30 seconds searching for a FAQ on the school's website that contains all the answers to his questions.
www.makeschool.com/admissions#faq
He didn't claim anything he asked legitimate questions that you would be a fool not to ask, but ok.
i love this idea ive been telling my family about this idea and now it became a realty. i am a sophomore at highschool and i wish i go there
We have a very similar "college" here in bulgaria called soft uni.
This type of education works really great for IT related jobs like becoming a programmer and app developer,it focuses on the practical side of things and I have noticed employers get impressed by projects that you worked on much more than where you got a universty diploma(I have many friends who earn top salaries in my country and dont even have a university diploma).
So if you are interested in IT,I couldnt recomend schools of this type enough,but things are very different for different occupations like medicine for example,there you cant really hope to be a doctor without have some official credetials that you can only get at respected universities.
That's the thing that bothers me a lot about college is how expensive it is and how schools make it seem like it's the only way to make it in life.
I like this is basically computer science ( theory and ideas) vs engineering or hands on work. I learned CS in high school and already accomplished more than a friend taking CS in the University of Michigan. I'm jealous of his formal education but proud of myself.
This is soo awesome! this is how higher education should be!
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I wonder how well his anti-college is doing. There hasn't been an update to this since this video.
Makes a lot of sense, I like the way it combines top notch education with raw entrepreneurship.
That gave me confidence!!!
I really like the idea, and yes i support to people who think in this way. I have degree but many times i feel its useless because my job needs the knowledge which was just taught in one subject out of all subjects i learned in college.
No grades. No tests. No problem based homework 2:10. I'm sure the guys here are top tier tech savvy, but don't call this a school. It's not. A school is based on assessment of knowledge, not on how great the paygrade of your job is. Let's open a medical school like this and have people practice medicine this way or how about we do this with law? The only criteria they have for success is if you get a job with a paygrade that is good enough to pay for the education. If the only point for education is utility, it's not education. We'll just build robots to do that. Oh wait, we are.
+Fetor Forex I think the idea here is to reform the school paradigm. If people who love working on projects, are doing just that at school, there won't be a need to test. People will be engaged in the projects and looking forward to completing and or developing them. I doubt there are many non participating students sitting in the corner with their arms folded, and if there are, I'm sure there is a way to let them know that they don't belong there. Just a thought. who knows.
I drop out of college after my first year, work in hospitality for a few years. I ended up going to a another country for college. Ecuador to be exact college is free for its citizens. I took advantage of my dual citizenship. About to start my last semester of my senior year in Business Adm or known here as comercial engineering. loving it.
I like this, I hope to see more of these types of schools pop up and with other subjects offered as well. Higher education is important, but what you do with it is more important.
Actually the coolest thing ever. I thought my program was different, but this one really does prove that tradition education may be okay, but there are other alternatives now that aren't really that bad!
A future where people are chosen by their qualities and not their grades.
+Matthew PolioNine just getting good grades doesn't mean you'll be a good doctor. There are things schools can't teach you that are essential for that job.
3:36 person with pikachu head looks enjoy learning into next level.. "gonna learn them all~"
I live in Puerto Rico and am currently getting my bachelors in networking. The US government through the PELL Grant pays pretty much all my tuition costs. I might have to pay 200 ish dollars if I take more than 4 classes per semester but I'm in one of the more expensive universitys. I have friends who got into a cheaper state run university and the Student Aid covers up to a full 18 credit semester and you still get money left over.
What a great incentive for education.
People I'm 200% positive this is the future in the whole World! Awesome guy with great sense of changing reality! Greetings from Bosnia and Herzegovina! Cheers!
I dropped out of a game development course after two years, when the teachers decided to fail the entire class. I'd actually love to try this out, because I'm going nowhere fast right now.
Such a great idea
Sick idea!
Great idea and all,but how much of the salary do they keep and for how long do they keep doing so?
this is great, as an architecture student, i guess we should also started doing this
I should look into this.
Bravo man
I've been wanting to do something like this but for my field of study in Horticulture. I spent 90% of my time in college in a class room watching power points, and maybe 10% in a lab doing hands-on learning. It should be the other way around: 90% outside learning and experimenting, and only 10% instruction.
I made sure to get internships every summer working on farms, and that's the only thing that saved me and got me jobs once I graduated.
as an international student studying in Canada, I pay twice the amount of the school fees for the same education quality as my citizen friends. The horrors of student debt are constantly reminded every morning as I walk to class
This is pretty much how it works in Australia (my state at least, and when I went to uni). We get a student loan, but only have to pay it back as a portion of our post graduating wage. Also, only if we are earning over a particular amount.
how can i donate to this? this is amazing.
That;s a great attitude.
This is a great model. I hope we see more schools adapting this model of education. Right now, there is no accountability for educational institutions. The one thing holding me back from graduate education is the student loans. I am still carrying student loan debt from my undergraduate degree and I don't want to add to it.
Interesting... I got to admit, I wondered myself what practical application were being taught in my years of attendances. I already have a degree in engineering but this would an interesting ways to change up the fields of interest.
Kudos to this bold and innovative young american! Proves you can do anything if you set your mind to ot. very inspiring.
This is what happens in the UK though- you get a loan to cover tuition and another for living expenses which is repaid after graduation once you are earning a certain amount of money.
I guess the benefit of the Make School is that it only takes kids who really want an education and appreciate it. Too many kids (in the UK at least) go to uni and study a subject with no idea of what they actually want to do afterwards. They spend time and money studying something like English Literature and them decide they want to be a lawyer. It makes a lot more sense to me to just stop and think more seriously about what you actually want to do for a living, then work out how to get there and the answer isn't always uni.
He spoke to an Australian university student and asked them about their student loans. They told him how the Australia systems works and thus the idea for the make school was born.
It's not just about the cost of college, it's also about the quality of college.
This is an amazing school! I regret having attended graduate school because I ended up getting stuck with over $55K of student loan debt without a well-paying job in my field of study. Now I need to figure out how to start paying it off ASAP(thanks a lot, ASU). Is there a school like this for engineering majors?
so inspired...
For me it's not really the cost, it's more so of what I'm learning. I feel that traditional education is like force-feeding; learning things that a student holds no value for. I am at a community college and I feel that my gen ed, remedial math and humanities classes are just busy work and time consuming. I am not getting anything out of these classes because they seem tedious and stressful. I am a Comp Sci major and I am interested in learning the whole spectrum of Computer Science, but I am forced to complete standard required classes and prerequisites. I question myself everyday why I force myself to do all these things, and I've considered just getting a certification instead.