Are Thermal Pads Worth Using?
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- Опубліковано 1 чер 2024
- For a while I wanted to answer the question of are thermal pads better than paste? I pit Innovative Cooling ( IC Graphite) and Thermal Grizzly Carbonaut against some of my favourite thermal pastes. Arctic MX-5, Noctua NT-H2 and Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut.
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0:00 Yes, Thermal Pads Are Worth Using
0:49 IC Graphite/Thermal Grizzly Carbonaut
1:46 Thermal Paste Contenders
1:55 Test Procedure
2:38 Cinebench Results
3:27 Forza Results
4:05 Why You Should Use Thermal Pads
5:06 Bonus Test
6:05 More Pad Pros
7:09 Why You Shouldn't Use Thermal Pads
8:39 Conclusion
9:07 Bloops
Music: Downfall by Chris Doerksen
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Draw a intel logo with the thermal paste
Do they saturate? how good would they be on say i5-13600k?
I know I’m a year late. But thanks for the info. I’ve spent years applying and reapplying paste at work. I can fix a few degrees of heat with better cooling. I’m going with a pad. lol
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I love when people give the answer at the beginning of the video and then elaborate.
I’ll still watch the whole thing but thank you for being straight to the point!
fuck yeah... Same!
THIS
This is literally what we were taught to do when we wrote school papers. It's called a thesis or an abstract. More videos need to start doing this.
Yep a nice change compared to other videos where they hit you with their sponsor and go on with a 30min monolog just to get to the point.
The fact that you gave the answer in the first 5 seconds, followed by an excellent explanation was instant subsribe and like. Thank you, sir. Please keep up the good work.
Kryosheets are actually amazing, H150i with 13900K it gets my CPU to 34C Idle and 84C 100% Usage (PL1-260W)
14700k here graphene is awesome.
Getting the point in the first 10 seconds then go into great detail for the rest of the video with some nice humor sprinkled in!? Gosh, I wish more channels were like yours! Instant sub.
Yep ^
another test worth doing is benchmarking both computer a year or two later when the paste will have dried.
You immediately give me the answer
I immediately hit the Like button
I know this has been said many times before, but thank you so much for putting the answer right at the beginning. Knowing the answer early on, it made me curious how you came to your conclusion, so I ended up watch the entire rest of the video (which is really well-put together, might I add). If you had the answer at the end, I likely would have just skipped right to it, and would have been much less informed while not giving your content the watch-time it deserves. Dropped a sub, looking forward to any future videos!
That's fire. You answered question right at the beggining of video AND keept me interested for rest
I didn't expect to like this video, but thumb up for the bonus test, it makes all the difference!
Nick much appreciated... been wondering about this for years...
It's so satisfying when you make a mistake like attaching your CPU cooler upside down, and then knowing the pad didn't go anywhere.
Need more videos that just get right to the answers for those who aren't interested in the why. Well done.
Very nice and professional videos, thanks man👍
I was about to say about the fact pads are already dry. But you beat me to it at 6:56 lol
I'm subscibing, Just because you gave the answer IMMEDIATELY. Truly amazing.
I came across a thermal pad that's from a Korean company called Glacier and their thermal pad has a 31w/mK conductivity rating. It differs from the ones tested here in that the top of it is made up of a metallic-like surface and then there is a thin acrylic/urethane layer in-between and an adhesive sticky side on the bottom. It is also non-conductive and on the product box it claims improved heat transfer due to adhesion during heat dissipation. I don't know if it's any good but I don't think it would be terrible and after using Aquatuning's Apex paste that was super thick and hard to spread and it dried out rather quick with an overclock on my CPU. If this pad is more stable over a longer period of use well then, I call that a win.
Is the pad any good?
great review, been using graphene pads for some time now, reused many times as well. not to nit pick, but that fan curve was not exponential, it was linear. an example of exponential would be e=mc squared. appreciate the content!
Just bought some Arctic MX-6 thermal paste. Can't wait to see how much lower my temps drop. Great test BTW 👍
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That's a very good 5900X bin I can already tell. I used to have one from the earlier batches, it idled around 55C with PBO2 optimizations and a 360mm AIO on it. Synthetic benches pushed it over 80C, gaming was around 65.
Brave to give the answer at the beginning of the video but I'll be watching because I love knowledge. ❤
I have used TG Carbonaut for years. No mess to clean up.
I only game on my PC, so the slightly higher temps. work fine for me.
@TechIlliterate
Where you applied the 2 different brands of pastes with the pad which ended up ripping the pad & also getting higher temps I believe that you would have had better luck with only using paste on one side of the pad. My ASUS PN-64 with i7-13700H 45w CPU with the stock cooler gets up to 85 C / 185 F in the house with a room temp of 15 C / 59 F here in Perth, Western Australia. When summer is at it's peak in the next 2-3 month's we will have a room temp of 45 C / 113 F so unless I either cool the room down or the CPU then the heat will make it go over it's 100 C / 212 F limit.
I bought a Pure Copper Heatsink 100x50x15mm Skiving Fin Heat Sink Radiator which weighs 255g / 9 ounce & handles a 50w LED without needing a fan. The heatsink has a milled finish with hills & valleys of about the thickness of the Thermal Grizzly Carbonaut Pad. I plan to use a set of diamond whetstones of 400, 600, 1000 & 1200 grit on the heatsink to remove most of the hills & valleys. If there still are too many deep hills & valleys then I will apply an extremely thin smear of Kryonaut Paste to the heatsink & then put the Thermal Grizzly Carbonaut Pad onto the CPU. If I ever do need to take off the heatsink in a year for cleaning then the pad won't rip into pieces like yours did.
Thank you for the nice comparison. How better Is Noctua h2 compared to h1 in your opinion?
I have a topic suggestion for you: :)
Is it better to completely isolate the lower channel in the pc case that includes the power supply, from the upper area? Or should air be able to switch between the bottom and top sections? What is better for air flow? I guess that separating & isolating the psu area is better?
I just noticed when he said leave a thumbs up the like button lit up, kinda shimmered like a rainbow. Never seen that before.
This should be great for those who have laptops that are difficult to take apart.
These are great for new PC users that aren't sure or aren't confident about things. I still would recommend paste though, but these things do work. I'm now an LM freak, but you've got to be really careful and confident using that stuff- easy to ruin a parts if it's not applied correctly so I don't recommend it unless you plan on heavy overclocking and take proper precautions, it's just plain overkill unless you're pushing your rig to its very highest limits (which I do).
Arctic MX 4 and MX 6 for longevity (and very good thermal conductivity).
Is great.
only for desktop cpus.. idk about 6 but 4 is heavily prone to pump out in laptops and gpus
I just reused a IC Diamond Graphite Thermal Pad that had been in my old system for 5 years, and then sat around on my desk for a few weeks where I'd play with it , feeling how cold it felt over metal objects when touched. It was well wrinkled, but I decided to try it on my new Ryzen 7 7800X3D build Package temp at idle is 41c, and 76.5c under Cinebench R23. Cooler is an Arctic Liquid Freezer 360. I see no reason to replace it.
Nice and learned a lot. 🙂
But, did I miss the thickness? I have now 1mm and then 1.5 mm. 1 mm was on my M.2 SSD and the 1.5 mm? How will this function?
The heat transfer is way lower than your pads. They are both 6 W/mK.
have been using the Ic graphite for about 2 years in 3 computers, never had a problem with them running . Only one build is fiddly where the pad would glide out of place but that was due to the antec's poor setup where my stubby fingers had trouble getting the cooling block in place as i secured it . The clear sell point for me was the fact it could be reused.
Yo tambien, mi r5 3600 no pasa nunca de los 60° con OC en tiempos de temperatura ambiente de 25° a 30°. La verdad muy buenos. Y encima mas aca que el clima es seco en invierno, la tierra se acumula y hay que abrir la computadora si o si cada 3 a 6 meses
I like he explain things
I'm subbing
Exactly like your video, I'll cut to the chase. You've proven the general theory that much less BS = Much better video! 👍
Welding your CPU heat top to your cooler heatsink with liquid copper is the way to go for perfect heat transfer! 👌
Who are you who is so wise in the ways of science?
Reusability is probably the top reason for me if you change the CPU or cooler often
Also if you do not change cooler at all. Paste dries out a pad just works essentially forever.
o hasta si vivis en una zona con mucha tierra en el ambiente.
Amigo esas pasta disipadora de Grissly Carbonaut servirá para Consolas de PlayStation 4 y PS5 y XBox en todas sus Series hasta la Más actual ???
great video, answered a lot of questions. does either pad work on the new 12th gen intel?
Yes, you can buy different sizes. I suppose you could buy a larger one and cut it to the rectangular shape.
Wow ! I never thought about my thermal paste time to dry ... I just used the most expesive Kryonaut ... and then wonder when is the right time to re-apply
From what I read kryonaut dries out very fast. It may be time to reapply if you haven't already
How did that thumbs thing have the swirl color when you said thumbs up in the video? Did youtube do that for you or did you have to do something in the studio?
Extremely curious question.
I have a galaxy book 4 pro samsung.
I game on it, video edit and so on.. so I want to see any drop in temps I can get..
Carbonaught is best for laptop use, but how much superior would carbonaught pad be over stock samsung thermal grease on the ultra 7 155h chip..
In your opinion ?.
I heard companies use low quality thermal grease stock. Do you think it's rubbish stuff in these semi decent notebooks now?
I bought a grizzly pad when it came out. I have already changed 3 processors to AM4 socket and I have no problems. It does not degrade at all, it does not cause problems. I will never go back to thermal pastes again!
Can these thermal pad fix cpu pump out issue? Thermal paste usually splash out when there are temperature increases.
You shoulda thrown in ptm7950 as well. Regarding the bonus test, i wonder if the carbon pad would work better with liquid metal instead of thermal paste. It probably wouldnt beat the liquid metal itself but it might combine with the convenience of that pad but idk
Hey how long do you think thermal paste would last on a gaming laptop that's being used everyday? Trying to figure out if I should use paste or pad or an Alienware 17 R4 (2017 - i7 7820HK + GTX 1070). Looking to send it to my brother in Jamaica who for the most part would just rather clean the readily visible areas like fan and other components than repasting as well as stuff being costly there.
MX 6 for good cooling and longevity (won't harden after a couple years).
I was super happy with the MX 4, but just started using MX 6 on new setup (its supposedly better cooling/longer lasting).
Will easily harden at the 3 years point. I would recommend cleaning and reapplying every 2-2.5 years
Conductivity is nice to know, but actually a more useful figure is thw overall thermal conductance (U) or resistance (R) value. This accounts for the final thickness as well, which will then be more representative of actual performance. Put simply, regardless of conductivity/etc, the highest U value (lowest R) always wins.
Have you tried to use the IC Graphite Thermal Pad 40mmX40mm on any of your new builds? I am about to build one Intel 12700K and I am scared to try it without as much skill as you have it's long enough but it's to wide, would I need to cut it to fit? any info you could share would be greatly appreciated. thank you in advance.
What did you end up doing?
Good video.
Thanks!
Have you got a list of you pc set up?
I’m looking to build a new desktop and wondered what you were using 🧐
5900X, 3080ti FE, 64GB DDR4 and a bunch of storage. 1tb NVMe Gen 3, 1TB Gen 4, and 2TB SATA SSD.
Hey i want to ask you because your videos are so good , my motherboard has an oronge light i tested everything but people said that i need to change the paste it's true ? ram is fine , card is fine , and psu is fine . I need an answer from a pro before i sell my pc
The only way that is true is if the paste is so dry that there is a layer of cement between the cpu and cooler. Very unlikely.
The legend has ascended from the dark
I've been watching your videos after having an issue tonight were a storm knocked the power out twice while I was on my computer and I got a overheated cpu screen when turning back on. It is a 3 year old pc so will run to best buy in the morning for new thermal paste. But research says my aio pump could have went out too. It's fans are still running and I read touch the pump part that's on the cpu and feel if it's running. I did that and think I feel slight vibration. No monitoring programs I've tried show the pump. Even bios just shows cpu fan and under aio it shows n/a. But people say depending on how it's connected it may only read as a fan. How much vibration should I feel while touching the pump? I have no idea what brand it is. It's a cyberpower pc with asus motherboard and intel 8 core cpu. I'm on disability so can't afford alot. Should I just take it to a local pc repair I've used in the past and have them replace the aio? Seeing as everything I've read says you have to literally take the motherboard out of the pc to do that, It's something I can't do myself.
Bought (at great expense) IC Diamond paste. Overheated massively. Cemented onto the CPU and tore it in half when I tried to remove it.
Then I bought a new CPU, put on the cheapest paste possible just to tide me over, got nice cool temps.
Then figured I had better research which paste was the best performance for the money, bought a tube of Noctua H2. PC massively overheated. I reapplied twice, triple checked my cooler pump, seating etc. Still running insanely hot.
The only thing that changed was the thermal paste. I always apply a perfect amount in an X, I always get great even coverage etc.
I have come to the conclusion that these pastes are way too thick and dry, and I'm sick of being disappointed. This time I'm buying a pad, then at least I don't have to fight with paste while I'm troubleshooting.
Never seen a youtube video that answers the title in the first 2 seconds.Also how the heck did you do this 00:07?
Aren't you the vocalist for Dry Kill Logic?
First! love your videos!
Yeah, well I love them more!
Hello, what would be the correct dimensions of the pad for a Ryzen 9 5900x?
I had got a sheet of ptm7950 for my 5700x and it was 40mmx80mm its the perfect size for 2 cpus so i would say near 40mmx40mm
KY jelly works great!
It's a shame you didn't have frostsheet as a competitor, but then again it's very new and I don't know if it was even out at the time of publishing
I’d like to see someone test Kritical pads
I nearly ruined a cpu when upgrading my cooler when using traditional thermal paste.
100% using graphene next time even if thermals are slightly higher.
The amount of paste I've had to clean up since I turned 12 years old is ridiculous, and it is only put into perspective when you see how many dirty tube socks I have lying around.
Would you only use pads now?
is your beard's gray patten real or dyed?
I only went gray on my chin.
Lapping the cooler and ihs might bring those temps down that few degrees. There's small imperfections that the pad doesn't fill in like the paste does. If the 2 surfaces are extremely smooth/flat there will always be better heat transfer. That being said , who's got time for that? lol
Can I use it on my PS4 por
Do you think it may be possible to polish both the cooler and cpu to a mirror finish, as well as perfectly flat, or at least as close to it as possible and then use no paste or pad at all? After all, both are designed to fill the tiny gaps created by material imperfections. Maybe also a sheet of very thin, thermally conductive material in between, like gold leaf, maybe? That could be very interesting.
At that point, just take the IHS off and run the cooler against the bare die
A guy tried to do this. I’m sure you can find his video
Theyre already factory polished. What can you do at home do. Use some finest grain strip and eye ball it lol. Also these thermal pads are probably great if you for some reason remove the cooler a lot. For anyone else who build a pc its one time thing for the duration of the build. So thermal pad is worse even if a few c doesnt make a difference.
@@Andytlp the pads are also great for someone who NEVER removes the cooler too.
@@dazeen9591 good point although i use noctua paste and that thing wouldnt dry up in hell.
It's good to be skeptical of new concepts, but some people can go overboard. Thermal pads seem like a really good idea for the absolute majority of people. A few degrees isn't going to kill them. I think if they can figure out how to remove the conductivity it would be a major bonus.
Would you use them on a play station or Xbox?
No
interesting. Can you check if it works with the Nintendo Switch as well? It has 1 multifunction chip that's way little than that CPU and his shield isn't with that much pressure when it's closed.
Why wouldn't it?
Wtf is it with the chicken at 5:46 / 5:47 ? XD
Maybe one day test out Mr. Yeester thermal paste.
I am a entry level pc builder and pads have made it very easy to break into building and trying out many different builds and applications. I do have a thermal paste corsair stencil kinda a cheat but meh these parts cost to much to mess around
Fun fact...
While those pads are close to paste going through the pad...
They're ridiculously good at transferring heat across the pad....
Cue hilarious scene where Linus was holding one between his fingers, and took a lighter to the opposite corner. XD
ROLF... basics of thermodynamic is saying... Hello.
When you add another layer of 'something' .. ALWAYS thermoconductivy will be WORST. Because heat coming between two layers, have some 'obstacles' to overcome.
This is 'why' when you do thermoisolation of you house, You doing this by put around 3 layers. In EU we use often bricks, then styro, then final render.
Often in countries when is colder.. we put 2 layers of bricks, but with little space between them.
And main role of thermopaste or thermopads are, to fill air gaps between CPU and Cooler.
if you open a computer while plugged in and start fiddling with stuff you deserve whatever comes your way wether its a zap from touching energized equipment or killing your motherboard with a thermal pad.
Can we use a very thin of copper or silver as thermal pad?
Technically if you have super flat ihs and heatsink surface, you don't even have to use any paste. The paste is to fill the airgap between those two.
@@bakatzen6243 some soft metal with high thermal conductivity such as silver, gold, only 4x -4.5x more hard than pure lead (bhn 5). So it is malleable especially when pressed.
@@encephalartos3110 now that you mentioned copper, what if we use copper spray as thermal paste. they are good for transferring heat in automotive application.
@@bakatzen6243 copper spray? I think it s not pure copper, or the filler will not do.
I think we need to re-define the descriptor "pea-size". I have been using half the amount for thirty plus years that you showed yourself using at the beginning of this video. I have never had any heat issues using the amount I do. No wonder you have spent many man-hours cleaning up paste in your tests. Perhaps you have very large peas in Canada - how about trying Canadian dried peas ?
What would happen if you put TWO layers of the pad? Did you try that any time?
Please test RTV
Now for the real test, stack like 5 of the pads on top!
Are the thermal pads at all absorbent? I wonder if rather than using paste you could use liquid metal? Seems like the liquid metal might help wet the pad a bit but also the pad might give the liquid metal more surface area and friction to cling onto helping reduce the chances a drop goes off into the computer to short something out. And the metal might help fill in any gaps that might be in the pad too?
I am mostly thinking of what might happen if you put a small drop of liquid metal in the middle of the pad and squish it into the pad with the cooling solution's cold plate.
Theyre starting to make these from older game consoles now. Ive seen some for the exposed chips in the N64 ans Gamecube
Should have tested a PTM7950 Phase-change pad...
Difficult to ensure you are testing an original product though.
Guess after watching that verge guy putting paste they decided to make a pad lol
I mean, thanks for the answer in less than 10 seconds...
But I've already got one on my pc, that's not why I'm here. XD
It's strange that you haven't tested liquid metal for this long.
You're right. I think it's about time to give it a go. I've put it on the list.
I have ripped out the CPU a few times so I always run it for 60 minutes before doing it
I was wondering what would be the result if you used 2 carbonaut pads stacked one on another, it would fill better the cpu and cooler imperfections?
No.. less is more.
Wow, considering the cost of the graphene pads, that is some seriously expensive convenience. Not to mention the lesser performance, which is NOT what you want on current high temp CPUs.
thermal pads are grade, the most pads are only 2-4°C maybee 6-8°C higher then paste so its this days really nice too use for gpu and cpu the last pc has pads and i never switched it after 7 years ive the same temps at the pads pc as at the paste pc but the paste pc gets every 2 years new paste after it i can say 55°C till 65°C paste vs. 57° till 70°C pads so both cooling methods are good, liquid metal is better but i dont wanna test this for the next 7 years in my new pc the cpu reach at summer 57°C maxed with 30°C roomtemp (the summer is not finished so i cant say the max. of temps :D) so why testing liquid metal if not needed :) (the paste i use is a be quiet paste i think dc1 or dc2 i dont know it anymore) at a atx/matx build i use pads but at itx i use paste :D
How about a test using some tinfoil from that hat?
using IC Graphite for years now i7 3770K
I wonder if use a pad in a GPU would be a terrible idea
Ptm 7950 goated
No, I put some pads on mine, when it finally came time to replace the paste. I didn't do any thermal testing, but I doubt it's far worse than paste would be. Either way, all I can really say is that it works just fine.
What happen if you using thermal pad in the same time you apply the thermal paste at both side? But just using little bit thermal paste
You get potato dauphinoise, with extra cream
I want to see how toothpaste performs 🤭
I will do it!!!
@@TechIlliterate Lets goo !!!
"Thermal conductivity" are not regulated by any law in business, in simple definition it means how fast heat can go trough their paste, in physic, not in business and advertisements, because they can come up with all possible ingredients information and calculate it, to get something on paper, to represent, for you to buy.
So you can only compare thermal conductivity within same manufacturer, to relay on differences there are tests.
For example, if some manufacturer has 3 pastes, rated at 5, 7 and 12 W/(m·K), its valid for their calculations, and for you to see the differences between their three pastes.
Thats why you cannot compare IC Graphite 35W/(m·K) to Carbonaut 62W/(m·K) while on same test they show identical results, and 35 are not equal 62, its almost double, even this numbers are generally very small compared to some other materials, while silicon lottery and gold does not affect anything in this tests.
As you may know, for manufacturer to get W/(m·K), they need several things:
K = Thermal conductivity (in question)
Q = Amount of heat transferred (CPU runs at exactly? - UNKNOWN information)
D = Distance between the two isothermal planes (DIE/IHS/heatsink+fan - UNKNOWN information)
A = Area of the surface (DIE? IHS? Heatsink? - UNKNOWN information)
dT = Difference in temperature (CPU stays at exactly UNKNOWN temperature, and water cooling radiator at strict UNKNOWN temperature - UNKNOWN information)
All information we have, are with margin of error +/-1, because we are precise?
Whats the result? = 14.4W/(m·K)
Why? -Because it sounds two times better then 7.2W/(m·K).
Who will test it and how? -No one, because lots of complications in laws of physic for mortals.
How to attract attention? -Replace "thermal conductivity" of "25" with "thermal resistance" of "0.0000033"...
What to do with paste that turns bad while manufacturing? -Label it as lower W/(m·K) and sell it.
Yeeaahhhhhh i not like toxic shit and thermal paste are, soo thermal pads looks much more fine to use, also not need to clean up? man i hate to clean that shit when i need, i'am needing to do some deeper clean on my setup and for sure remove my water cooler, i want to get some pads to try out!
Sigh. Upvote for the quick answer at the beginning, but a downvote for NOT LOCKING THE FAN SPEED! Ffs