Fluence Modern Humbuckers | Deep Dive
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- Опубліковано 19 чер 2024
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All Fishman Fluence Modern Humbuckers now come with 3 voices. You can now experience our single coil sound from any of our Modern Series Humbuckers.
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00:00 Fluence History
01:34 Announcement
01:54 Bridge Voicings
03:25 Neck Voicings
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Fishman Fluence Modern baby!!! It's no wonder that so many top artists choose these pickups. They're simply the best there is! 🔥🔥
Hello from Greece. Few years ago I bought Modern Hubs from Soto Onstage Studio Sound. BEST PICKUPS EVER!
How do you wire all three voices though? I just got a Kiesel with these pickups and it came wired with (I believe) the High Frequency Tilt on the push/pull tone pot. They didn't wire up any of the other 2 voicings though (didn't realize the other voices even existed) so if I get Voice 2 wired to a new pushpull volume pot (V2 is the gain reduction option shown on the wiring diargram, right?) and then voice 3 the single coil tap would need to go on a newly installed mini switch or something, right?
This everything I've ever wanted
3 voices update LET'S GOOOOO
I only have the Charvel Satchel guitar Fishman Fluence classic
So killer
Is anyone able to give me some advice on the moderns? I've tried a guitar wired only for the active voice which i loved for metal, but i'm wondering how well the "passive voicing" works. Is it really like a GOOD passive pickup? Or just passable for mid gain tones?
I''m wondering how the passive voicing would sound for rock (classic rock, 80s, 90s, pop punk etc)
Thanks
now if the website only had an updated wiring diagram that shows clear concise wiring for all 3 voices and a 5 way switch.
so, my ESP have EMG active, with this ones, would sound much better in the lead guitar, and it keep the active sound for riffs?
Looking forward to try these out! I was just wondering about the wiring. In order to use all the different features how many knobs/push-pulls do you have to have? On the Fishman's webpage i find different wiring diagrams, but which one holds true for these? Thanks!
Wondering this too :/, lmk if u find it out
how would you know if you have the new / old version of the fishman when you'd buy a guitar? just by testing the different voices?
I'm confused, haven't the moderns been available for years now? Or is this new somehow?
I like the Fishman pickups in my SLS Elite. If I did an upgrade to them, I would put another set of Fishman pickups in.
I got an E1 elite evil twin with fishmans in it and had crazy feedback at lower gain settings than I use for passives. Sent it back and they replaced the bridge pickup with a new one, still the same issue. I can't get to the point of a proper saturated chug tone without the squealing happening and only a noise gate will cover it up. Even still every time you hit a chord and mute, the whine comes through for a sec, so not handy lol
Also has a very nasty high trebly tone on the high notes.
I'm surprised I can't really find anyone else having a similar issue with them and everyone says they're noiseless, what's your take on them?
Mine have a nice clean tone. I didn't have any issues with them when I had my Fender Hot Rod Deluxe IV. I switched to a Tonex pedal and Amplitube 5 software and the pickups handle some of the highest gain amp models with no problems. I had 16 pedals on a pedal board before selling everything to upgrade to a few new guitars. Some of them were high gain pedals as well. I lowered the action on the SLS Elite to the thousandths of an inch and didn't lower the pickups . I ended up adjusting the action a little higher because it didn't sound very good. Try adjusting your action or playing with your pickup height. I will lower mine back down a little bit and drop the pickups the same amount. Measure your height from the pickups to the bottom of the string so you know where the height is. When you get it set right, measure it and take a picture so you know what height is right.
@patrickaskey1965 Hmmm interesting...
Yeah I'm playing through an EVH 5150 and a quad cab so I imagine maybe it may be a bit more prone to feedback...
The pickup height doesn't seem to make a difference as the feedback happens with the strings completely muted. The only thing I can tell is that it's a lot worse using a tube screamer through the front end over turning the gain up on the amp, but it happens regardless.
And it happens before I'm able to get as much of a saturated distorted tone as I'd like.
If I stand off to the side of the amp a few metres away and face the guitar away from the speakers it lessens. But just seems very strange for pickups that everyone says are sooo quiet.
I didn't think I should have had to jack up my noise gate so high to cover it up and it seems to rob the tone anyways 💩
Also I'm using 200mah rechargeable nimh batteries, didn't seem any better with a regular alkaline either but the voltage on the batteries seems to drop below 9v within 30min of use lol
Probably grounding issue
I asked Solar and ESP if new guitars will ship with these new pickups, they kind of didn't know about this announcement (one would guess Fishman would have told them about this launch...) and then answered that not in the short-term. Well, I'm definitely not buying a new guitar until they ship with 3 voices...
Hi Fishman, where can i find the diagram to install the pick ups and have 3 voices like you show with one volume, one tone and a Toggle switch?
All of our wiring diagrams are available on our website under the Products section or by searching "Wiring Diagrams", hope this helps!
So, it’s the matt heafy set minus the gold line?
Same for the RZK set... quite confused about this.
Wait! 🧐 The previous iteration of Moderns already had a Voice 3 with single-coil tones. I have them right here on my guitar. How is this any different? 😵💫
You might have a signature set
@@cloudbloodmusic I do have the standard set. I guess the new "Voice 3: Single coil" is not the same as the option of splitting the coils in the old ones. I wonder if this new voice indeed makes a significant difference or they are mostly the same...
I thought the same, I don't see whats the difference 🤔
Actually they had single-coil but was not a voice, there were terminals that you needed to solder the wires to the push pull out pickup selector, this new version must have the fast connectors already wired for the 3 voices. The "older" version was more flexible, in my guitar I have a push pull for voice 1 / 2 and a 3 way mini toggle for humbucker/single inner coil/single outer coil, so I have 6 tones in 1 pickup, but the difference is subtle. The old version also have a high frequency tilt functionality that you could wire.
@@marcosviniciusyokoyamamazu4284 That's quite a cool setup...having the ability to choose which coil you want from the coil split. I've got a Cort KX507 that lets you choose voice 1/2 with the volume knob push/pull, and coil split with the tone knob push/pull. Like you say the difference can be subtle but it's definitely there...coil split gives you a spankier sound with more attack. I'm surprised that a more budget brand like Cort are happy to wire it up, but LTD and other more premium brands only give you the voice change. I think the coil split makes more difference than the voice change tbh, although it's great to have both options. Perhaps as these manufactuers begin to use this new 3 voice version they will wire up all of it, but LTD's new 2024 guitars they just released seem to still have the old Moderns.
I recently got a Schecter KM-7 III Artist as I thought the 26.5" scale would be easier to play than the multiscale of my Cort. And the Schecter being a higher end guitar with stainless steel frets is a big plus too. It has the Keith Merrow signature Fluence set which I've discovered is actually a stock Classic neck pickup, and the bridge is effectively a modified Classic. I love the neck pickup, but not really liking the bridge so much. It's great for cleans and leads, but it doesn't have enough growl for the metal/djent stuff which is one of the main reasons for having a 7 string. Part of the reason is that it seems to compress very easily.
I'm thinking of swapping it for a Modern, I know they can chug well enough. Now they've released this new 3 voice version that's available in the traditional pickup 'open core' format, it should be easy to drop in. There is already a 3-way toggle on the KM-7 for voice 1/2/3 so again having this 3 voice version of the Modern will make things easier. I'm thinking of trying an interesting wiring setup though. Will keep the 3-way pickup selector, but add another 3-way toggle for voicing so it can be chosen seperately for each pickup. Ideally would change the default coil split to outer coil (always seems to be inner coil as standard with Fluences), as that should make the bridge coil split more agressive and the neck sweeter. Also thinking of adding a push/pull to the volume knob, that would instantly go to both pickups coil split to inner coils. So you'd have quick access to the ideal ambient clean sound.
So similarly to your setup, I'd be able to access both outer and inner coils (outers seperately, but only inners together...I'd be happy with that). I reckon that would be quite a difficult wiring job though...the inner coils function would almost need a seperate circuit linked to the push/pull that bypasses the 3-way pickup selector I think? I've got no experience working on guitars myself though! I'm gonna ask a gutiar tech to fit the new pickup and do the wiring but no idea if I'll be able to find a tech that has any experience with Fishman and can work out such a wiring scheme. I have emailed Fishman to ask for advice literally a few hours ago but no idea if they will be able to help...I doubt they have time to come up with wiring diagrams for every possible idea a customer has.
I was also thinking of putting the high frequency tilt option on a tone knob push/pull. The KM-7 is quite a bright sounding guitar so this could be handy to have. It doesn't have a tone knob stock but hopefully a tech can add one. I've seen a few people mention that this new Fluence Modern version doesn't have the HFT any more but the wiring diagram does seem to show it?
Where are the blue ones?????? Black, white, chrome, gold, bronze, pinkish-red….. cool…. But what about a blue set?????
Wait, wasn't the coil split included before? 🤔
It was. So there is nothing really "new".
My Cort X700 has a fishman fluence modern humbucker that comes with A25k pots, the sound is a bit dark for me. Is it okay to use a A500k pot, Does it have a disadvantage on using different pot value aside from 25k?
Hi! You should always use 25K pot values with Fishman Fluence Modern Humbuckers. Type of environment and also amp settings can affect the sound you are describing. Have you checked those?
I forgot to mention that it's a bit dark when rolling off the volume. Since there is no treble bleed in the volume pot. I tried putting a treble bleed, but the volume is not responding like it used to when there's no treble bleed.
May I know the reason why 25k is required for fishman pickups?
Why no announcements before this video? I noticed the website says 3 voices now, if I order some off Amazon, will it be the three voicing ones, or two voicing still? I just got Fishman Moderns a few months ago, I was wanting to wait for the single coil update, but there had been no news in over a year on it, so I finally pulled the trigger, I shoulda have waited a few more months it seems.
If you wait for the best moment, you'll wait forever. Buy what's best for you now. If they released specs a month earlier there would be someone else saying the same thing because they bought them a month earlier than you did.
I get that, but they could do a bit better announcing it. I looked for any info about this coming to the other ones, and only could find rumours, even after it's out, I haven't found news on it, other than recently since these videos came out. They were listed as changed on the site like a week before these videos, at the very least. @@JorandeRaaff
@@jackbootshamangaming4541 I just want to know what to do with my old set if I happen to replace them. Do I have to sell them for dirt cheap on reverb? Lmao
@@cloudbloodmusic yes, that's the only real option unless you got another guitar to throw em in. What I'm looking at. The singlecoil less ones are already going for dirt cheap now
I'm interested in hearing voices 1 & 2 clean, or are they always going to sound like a metal band. Also, I can't tell much difference between voices 1 & 2.
Voice 2 is just a lower output form of voice 1 with a little less low end. You won't really notice a difference clean either.
@@cloudbloodmusic thanks
@@820hurleyj no problem
You can hear the difference when you're actually playing. I prefer voice 2
I have two push/pull pots on my Schecter w/Fishmans and I don't even know what they do, lol. It seems to make almost no difference.
so these won't come in the prestiege rg eh? RG5120M
So I need to upgrade to two push/pull pots? I have a bunch of guitars… hello CTS
I'd just use the 1st and 3rd voices because the difference with voice 2 is barely noticeable compared voice 1. Also I'm pretty sure when you buy the set it comes with a push pull pot.
Is there a way we can trade in our old pickups? Kinda annoying we gotta pay full price for them again.
this is like going to the music shop and being annoyed that your favorite guitar brand came out with a new line of guitars, and so you ask to trade in your old worse guitar for the newer more expensive ones. bruh
@@carlchameleon9847 no it isn't. Also, you can do that anyway unless the shop doesn't buy gear from customers lmao. I got a 9 string around a year ago thinking the fluences had a single coil voice on them. I later found out I was wrong and now a year later they have a single coil voice. Now a proper comparison would be "it's like buying an Nvidia GeForce RTX 3090 and then you see the 4090 come out a month later". All I have left to say is if you got your fluences a few months ago then you see this announcement I'm sure you'd feel some type of disappointment. And it's kinda weird you don't understand that basic human emotion.
@@cloudbloodmusic "it's kinda weird you don't understand that basic human emotion"
what a weird overexaggeration.
i've had countless experiences where I've been like "ah, should have waited" but i've never felt entitled to anything just because of that. it's kind of weird you don't understand that basic human emotion dude.
@@carlchameleon9847 Entitlement? What are you even talking about? I literally just asked a question. And not in a devils' advocate copout kind of way, either. "Kinda annoying we gotta pay full price for them again." isn't making any kind of demands either. Also I know full well fishman probably wont even read this because of the sheer volume of comments. Maybe release a song before trying to prove you're superior to people on youtube you don't even know when you can't properly interpret what they say lmao.
Anyone know the exact model and wood specifications in the guitar used in this video.? It sounds so good with the Fishman pups.
ESP E-II Horizon FR-II (See-Thru-Black Cherry Sunburst). It has a mahogany body with quilted maple top. We custom fit our own Fluence Modern Humbuckers in this guitar!
I just want single widths for 7 string :(
Showing off the voicings clean is not a thing, eh?
That's what I'm wondering.
Nope. Go play strat
They did?
All this marketing BS for pickups that just sound a bit better than EMG's but less good than Blackouts. I never trust Fishman again, had them 3 times in 3 different guitars, they sounded very mid
Worst video on these pickups you could make.
They sound pish. Every demo I've listened to (at least a dozen) sounds awful.