Well you've also got to understand that they weren't dealing with the same blanket ban on team orders in 2018 that they were subject to back in 2010. Not sure exactly what year the rule changed (I looked it up, it was immediately following the 2010 season), but 2018 was the year Valtteri got team-ordered to death by Mercedes, costing him potentially two wins in what turned out to be a winless season for him.
I think there are two types of Team Orders, Ferrari team order in 2002 didn’t make sense because they were so far ahead, but the one in 2010 made sense as Alonso needed those 7pts a lot
NOT 2002.. 2001…. MAYBE 2004 WAS THE SAME IN A GAME AND IT WAS MEAR OF WINNING FOR MICHAEL!! IF RUBEN WOULDNT LOSE THE 1ST PLACE HE WOULDNT HAVE TO GIVE HIS POSITION!!! RUBEN WAS GREAT AND ALSO FERRARI BACK THEN HELPED HIM TOO WHEN HE NEEDED BUT NO ONE IS SAYING SOMETHING..
@Jesus_H._Tap-DancingChrist not really a great. Could only compete in a good car really. Definitely a good driver but definitely not one of the greats
Hakkinen and Coulthard wasn't team orders. It was an agreement made between the drivers, independent of the team. Jerez 97 was team orders that David had to let Mika by
@josiewallace7968 yh sure he might've been pissed, but that doesn't mean it wasn't the best choice in that scenario, you fight your teammate and waste big points for your team, or you don't and get those points
@@Don-Royall Are you Alonso's fanboys? why all woke people are like this, unbelievable.... Massa let him pass, Alonso dirty as always, he has been a slow driver his entire career, there was a team order for Massa to give him his poition, thats the question the journalist was doing and Alonso saying... no no.. XD
What this video highlights is Ferrari have in the past handled team orders in a dreadful way. If Felipe was slower, pass him on track then without any help if you're that much faster. As for 2002 Austria well.. less said about that disgrace the better.
Dumb team no offence lando should have been able to take first. If he did, that gap before Brazil would have been even less, making lando hungrier to fight, and apply more pressure on max. Whether max would have been affected who knows, but lando and McLaren would have been even hungrier than they were
Pfft, no. Lando and McLaren bottled a lot more than simply the Hungarian Grand Prix which is a result of them bottling it as well. One thing I agree with Lando about during that is when he said “You should have pitted him first.”
Hamilton did the right thing in Abu Dhabi 2016 imo. Mercedes had already won the constructors championship so surely they could have let Hamilton and Rosberg settle it on the track (without hitting each other of course). Anyone who says they wouldn't have done the same is a liar.
I'm torn on team orders because, on the one hand, they make the competitive element of the sport a bit of a joke. On the other hand, championships are won over a whole season and you have to look at the bigger picture. Barichello and Massa got screwed and they knew it, but they would have known going in that was the Ferrari strategy. I think the really ridiculous ones are people like Vertsappen and Vettel who know that this is something the team needs, who know the strategy and refuse to go along with it. Yeah, it sucks. But you knew that going in. You might show that you're a superior driver, but you also show that you're unable to put the team before yourself.
It shouldn't be allowed since it messes up driver performance evaluation. Some orders can work without spoiling the racing so how about a tactical point system. where if the team wants to give an order they must subtract tactical points form the drives total per year and once they run out the team is not allowed to give any more orders to that driver. This way team orders can still be somewhat allowed but there will be a limit to stop "let driver A pass driver B for the championship" since by that point they will be out of TP
Yeah, it’s really no secret that listening to team orders are clearly the most corrupt thing existing in any form of motorsport alive today, especially Formula 1. I think the FIA should make a very strict rule in that sport which forbids teams to tell their drivers how to handle their business on every track that’s on its schedule…I mean, think about it. If team orders never existed in F1 at all, then maybe Michael Schumacher would’ve won at least 2, 3, or even 4 less driver’s championships in his career than what he has under his resume in real life. If team orders never existed in F1 at all, then Red Bull Racing’s “reign of dominance” would’ve probably looked less dominant than ppl would like to believe. Can you imagine how much more exciting and competitive F1 would be if their teams were forbidden by the FIA from bossing their drivers around the way they do every single year?
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fernando is faster than you🚫
seb is capable of going quicker✅️
Well you've also got to understand that they weren't dealing with the same blanket ban on team orders in 2018 that they were subject to back in 2010. Not sure exactly what year the rule changed (I looked it up, it was immediately following the 2010 season), but 2018 was the year Valtteri got team-ordered to death by Mercedes, costing him potentially two wins in what turned out to be a winless season for him.
I think there are two types of Team Orders, Ferrari team order in 2002 didn’t make sense because they were so far ahead, but the one in 2010 made sense as Alonso needed those 7pts a lot
NOT 2002.. 2001…. MAYBE 2004 WAS THE SAME IN A GAME AND IT WAS MEAR OF WINNING FOR MICHAEL!! IF RUBEN WOULDNT LOSE THE 1ST PLACE HE WOULDNT HAVE TO GIVE HIS POSITION!!! RUBEN WAS GREAT AND ALSO FERRARI BACK THEN HELPED HIM TOO WHEN HE NEEDED BUT NO ONE IS SAYING SOMETHING..
Ah the Multi 21 Fiasco. Seb was definitely a bit naughty
Seb hater?
I like Seb. He's a 21st century great. But he did sound a bit pathetic on the team radio, saying he was "scared" of Mark's driving.
@Jesus_H._Tap-DancingChrist not really a great. Could only compete in a good car really. Definitely a good driver but definitely not one of the greats
Seb was unlikable during his early years at RedBull.
@@MikeCobweb for losers lke yo u maybe hahahaha. Haters are so funny
Hakkinen and Coulthard wasn't team orders. It was an agreement made between the drivers, independent of the team. Jerez 97 was team orders that David had to let Mika by
The tean order to Ralf was probably the smartest choice, especially in a wet race
It really wasn't, Ralf was pissed off
@josiewallace7968 yh sure he might've been pissed, but that doesn't mean it wasn't the best choice in that scenario, you fight your teammate and waste big points for your team, or you don't and get those points
😂😂😂 of course not. Being 3 seconds slower it just shows how bad driver you are, Hill was not even a driver, still remember Spain 96, embarrassing
@@KaiserM3Idiotic comment
The smartest choice would've been to let Ralf through without any fight, since Ralf was 3-5 seconds faster and deserved the victory
😂😂😂😂 Fernando in delusional mode denying what everyone saw 😂
What's waas funny is he wasn't actually faster, they were doing close laps team
Massa was faster in ome sector, Alonso faster in another.
@@Don-Royall Are you Alonso's fanboys? why all woke people are like this, unbelievable.... Massa let him pass, Alonso dirty as always, he has been a slow driver his entire career, there was a team order for Massa to give him his poition, thats the question the journalist was doing and Alonso saying... no no.. XD
01:10 *RIP MURRAY WALKER* 😢
8:13 that audio clip is from the 2021 austrian grand prix (i know its satire, i think)
I really hate team orders, if i was a racing driver i wouldn't listen team orders, fighting or not for the both championships.
then you would be sacked very quickly
@@Hamilton8timeChampionunless you are max verstapen
@@14aivis got a point
@@Hamilton8timeChampion Depends on the racing series since in some its Illegal for the team to do that
@@benjithomas112 yeah that dumb though
What a lot of people don't understand is that about what Schumi said in 2010 is that he would've done the same even if he was in Felipe's footsteps
8:11 brilliant tactic👍🏼😎
Kimi trying to get heads at Ferrari to roll
You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain
Damn I miss Raikonnen so much
What's with the team asking the faster one on the team to let the slower one though?
You don't get points as a team, the points earned are individual.
4:58 😂😂😂
Rubens thats the Last lap
Let Michael pass for the Championship
Let Michael pass for the Championship 😂
Any other driver today would have told him to F*ck off as that was radio harassments
What this video highlights is Ferrari have in the past handled team orders in a dreadful way. If Felipe was slower, pass him on track then without any help if you're that much faster. As for 2002 Austria well.. less said about that disgrace the better.
Letting Piastri through didn't help Lando at all 🙄
8:12 Accurate even with 14 year difference 😂
And thats how lando lost the championship.
11:33 my reaction is just the same as Seb lol
WTF
max going non-verbal when he doesn’t agree with the team order lol love that man
Dumb team no offence lando should have been able to take first. If he did, that gap before Brazil would have been even less, making lando hungrier to fight, and apply more pressure on max. Whether max would have been affected who knows, but lando and McLaren would have been even hungrier than they were
Pfft, no. Lando and McLaren bottled a lot more than simply the Hungarian Grand Prix which is a result of them bottling it as well. One thing I agree with Lando about during that is when he said “You should have pitted him first.”
Should be forbidden under any circumstances. No code talking.
Hamilton did the right thing in Abu Dhabi 2016 imo. Mercedes had already won the constructors championship so surely they could have let Hamilton and Rosberg settle it on the track (without hitting each other of course). Anyone who says they wouldn't have done the same is a liar.
I'm torn on team orders because, on the one hand, they make the competitive element of the sport a bit of a joke. On the other hand, championships are won over a whole season and you have to look at the bigger picture. Barichello and Massa got screwed and they knew it, but they would have known going in that was the Ferrari strategy. I think the really ridiculous ones are people like Vertsappen and Vettel who know that this is something the team needs, who know the strategy and refuse to go along with it. Yeah, it sucks. But you knew that going in. You might show that you're a superior driver, but you also show that you're unable to put the team before yourself.
It shouldn't be allowed since it messes up driver performance evaluation. Some orders can work without spoiling the racing so how about a tactical point system. where if the team wants to give an order they must subtract tactical points form the drives total per year and once they run out the team is not allowed to give any more orders to that driver. This way team orders can still be somewhat allowed but there will be a limit to stop "let driver A pass driver B for the championship" since by that point they will be out of TP
Yeah, it’s really no secret that listening to team orders are clearly the most corrupt thing existing in any form of motorsport alive today, especially Formula 1. I think the FIA should make a very strict rule in that sport which forbids teams to tell their drivers how to handle their business on every track that’s on its schedule…I mean, think about it. If team orders never existed in F1 at all, then maybe Michael Schumacher would’ve won at least 2, 3, or even 4 less driver’s championships in his career than what he has under his resume in real life. If team orders never existed in F1 at all, then Red Bull Racing’s “reign of dominance” would’ve probably looked less dominant than ppl would like to believe. Can you imagine how much more exciting and competitive F1 would be if their teams were forbidden by the FIA from bossing their drivers around the way they do every single year?
These things should be discussed during the briefing, not on the radio
Cry about it, it's a part of the tactics. It's the team in charge of the driver and the final call is on the driver.
@@Dakkyun I’m not crying about anything, you jackarse. Am I allowed to voice my opinion here, or what?