Hi Sr Chalice, I'm honored! Appreciate Your Comments! Both Dual M.2 NVMe Adapters and Quad Adapters have their place. My Goal, Keep it Simple and Make it Work! Everything is about PCIe Resources, right now! And Vendors lack clarity on that point of reference. Thanks for Watching!
Hi Mr Serrano, Absolutely! Appears to be so! We've been Answering Subscribers Questions all day! Amazing! Next Up, Supermicro Dual M.2 NVMe AIC. Stay tuned!
Hi Gill! You have such an informative channel! I found you on the VRA Facebook thread and I love how effective your delivery is. Congratulations! I subbed!!!
I really appreciate how you share the hard-core stuff with us. I'm looking into the HighPoint Technologies cards. They have a 4 and an 8 slot for M.2. They say they can be set to hardware RAID, but some drives can be carved out to be regular prime drives. The RAID drives have to be the same capacity drives, but the ones not for RAID can be various sizes, so I could have a use for a 500GB drive again.
Hi RivenrockGardens, Welcome! I'm honored! Keep it Simple and Make it Work! Good call! Highpoint can also be Bootable which means they have a Bios which means those cards are appending the Motherboard Bios! Wild stuff! Been a long time since We've had anything like that! Goes back to Promise VLB Multi I/O Cards! Yes! I have a tendency to think in JBOD terms about Drive Capacities and I should NOT! And what type of JBOD depends upon who is doing the talking! HighPoint is using Broadcom PLX Chips for the PCIe Lane multiplexing for both 4 and 8 M.2 NVMe PCIe Drive Cards! Fascinating technology! Which HighPoint card are You considering? Gigabyte is suppose to have one coming out. When, nothing announced since the Press Release! We did a Video about that card from Gigabyte for 8 Drives, already populated which is a Bummer before they even get started! We all like to Spec Our Own Drives for Speed and Capacity! Appreciate Your Comments! This helps Us to make better Videos! Gigabyte Aorus Xtreme Gen4 AIC SSD Announced! ua-cam.com/video/jQofKLLRfYM/v-deo.html
There are cheaper controllers, but this one has a huge amount of data transfer and ability to work through the MoBo as you say. HighPoint Technologies SSD7540 PCIe 4.0 x16 8-Port M.2 NVMe RAID Controller It's overkill for me, I know. And not only is it so pricey, it'd cost a lot just to put a few drives in it. But I could go ahead and keep adding drives every year or so, and not have to go from a 2 drive, to four and then 8 and maybe end up spending more money. I don't think I need RAID though, these drives are so fast as they are. I'd use it just so I can have drives for the various foods I have in my garden, because I don't consider anything archive except published videos. If i plant a fig tree I might keep and use snippets of videos from it through the years. And I like the idea of a big past card like that. And I think from now on I'll stick with 980Pro even though 970Evo are a bit cheaper, and to my eyes seem just as fast, though the benchmarks 6,350 vs 3,500 don't lie. I have two machines, both 5950x on PCIe boards. So I kind of use them together for my art processing and my garden videos. This way I have enough SATA connectors and PCIe lanes. I am looking to put a threadripper together one day and have just one main computer. Mostly what it is, after 25 years of trying to save money by having 'just what I need' in computers, I decided to build a couple of computers that really work for me! I mean, 10 and 12 years PSU warranties, big giant BeQuiet and Fractal Torrent cases, I could put a ThreadRipper into the BeQuiet. This is why I like your channel, you show the equipment I think is cool!
Hi@@Rivenrock, I'm honored! Smart choices! We can relate! Even an X399, 2 Computers! Not so much with TRX40 HEDT. But that Platform is now history according to AMD! Bummer! Therefor, You're definitely a candidate for a Threadripper Pro! You need a X16 PCIe Slot, electrically! We're all waiting on the new Threadripper Pro CPUs! Maybe by October 2022! Thanks for Sharing! When You come across Computer I/O Technology You'd like to know more about, let Us know! Helps Us to make better Videos! Success on Your next Build!
@@BuildOrBuy Yep, I've been told by a few people now that the new Threadripper is likely to be something that would suit me well! I've got over 6TB of video and art I drag around to make videos. When I need to grab from my archive and drag a few hundred GB of video from my 2.5" SSD through SATA to my NVME I have to wait what (now) seems a long time as the data transfers. Once it's in the NVME everything's great. What is your perspective on a home/small business user having SAS drives? They are faster but heavily more expensive. But I like watching server channels and now many of them are moving their HDs and SSDs over to NVME drives. So used SAS drives might go down in prce and still be reliable as a second archive for remote storing for instance, and to replace the SSDs I have. But I'd want to use the little SAS to M.2 NVME adapter that fits into a 2.5" bay. That way every six months or so when I ned more space I could get a 2TB 980 Pro and take out the 970Evo and put that into the SAS connection for fast movement. I'd need an SAS control card. Right now it'd have to go into my second machine as I'm out of 16 slots in my main unit. I have 2.5 LAN between them. I have a thinking that with the data centers shedding millions of SAS SSDs over the next few years might make it a more accepted thing to use. And with the new Threadripper I could have my card with SAS plugs and also my existing card with SATA plugs AND the HighPoint controller. I have a feeling that this would be my last computer! LOL I really can't see me wanting or needing or even being able to use more! But I do have these two running 24/7 at 100% CPU for almost two years with one and almost a year with the other. There's nothing like having equipment so good the PSU fan never comes on (Titanium SeaSonic 850W). My old 4 core actually uses almost as much power from the wall at idle as one of these machines does. I've got filters, and actually put some finer screen inside of some of the stock ones. Then I took a 20" box fan and taped a box made form five 20x20x1" HEPA filters to it so that the fan blows filtered air to the corner of the room where the computers sit. This makes a high pressure area so almost all the air will be well filtered. I swear, I can let these machines run for months full speed fans at 70 or 80% (I use freefansync, a good app) and not take the panels off but the PSU and SSD's and other smooth dark surfaces show only the very finest layer of fine dust that can barely be seen. It costs more to have better equipment, yes it does. But when you can leave the machines running full speed and leave for the day and not have to worry about anything, it's a great thing. I push my CPUs hard. 100%, only reduced to restart weekly or two. Big BeQuiet coolers, right now CPU at 67C and ambient temps at 29C. These hardly EVER get over 75C, and when they do, it's because ambient temps are up around 35C. Rock-On Brother!
Hi@@Rivenrock, Definitely a candidate for a Threadripper Pro WRX80 Workstation! The question, which Motherboard best suits Your needs. SAS, yes, an option. A WRX80 will most likely have SAS. However, on 1 Computer, ok. What about Storage to another Computer. SATA is fast enough for Storage. And yes, for speed, NVMe, preferably M.2 over U.2. SAS Drives vs SATA Drives are not that much more expensive considering their Capacity and Capability. We like to Keep it Simple and Make it Work! Absolutely Rock-On! Now is a great time to get started on Your Build Specs! Quality over Quantity! Options!
Hi Daniel Laiu, Welcome! Glad We could help! Appreciate Your Comments! Thanks for Sharing! Supermicro Dual M.2 NVMe Adapter! The best Solution! Thanks for Watching!
thanks. The video helped me to answer the question of how to get more NVMe SSDs in my Haswell based NAS. It now has 3 NVMe adapter cards. Also interesting for moving to a budget ITX board.
@@BuildOrBuy I just got a 4x NVMe to PCIe x16 card off AliExpress. Let's see how that goes. Was close to 26 USD with shipping but has decent reviews. Fingers crossed.
Hi@@fahadysf, Extremely cheap. Hope it works! Quad cards have 2 Requirements: 1. Full X16 Slot, electrically not just mechanically. 2. Full Bios Bifurcation. Hope Your Motherboard meets those Requirements!
Hello 84Actionjack, Welcome! Outstanding! The Supermicro Dual M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Adapter is hard to beat! If only Supermicro had a Heatsink Onboard! BTW: Your Motherboard will have to Support Bios Bifurcation of X4X4. Hope that helps!
The WD AN1500 uses a Marvell 88NR2241 chipset. It seems to be running custom firmware as you can't really configure it from what I can tell; any drives you install automatically get configured in RAID0.
Hi sabishiihito, Custom Firmware set to RAID 0 only. Interesting. Good to know the PLX Chip. Thanks for Sharing! Another reason to go for the Supermicro AIC. We have total control.
On the internet I rely on user's comments about compatibility. But most guys won't tell us what the other components are. They make reading their review a waste of time. Sorry, just an old beef I've been sitting on.
Absolutely! We can relate! Knowing what's being used in conjunction with the Topic goes to relevancy. Changing one thing can change everything. Not everyone has the same Results either. If We're going to help one another, We need to know the Details! The Who, What, Why and How for Context!
Thanks for the detailed explanation. I'm going with the Glotrends (used your link) card to add a single NVME M.2 device to my ASUS Z390. I'm using all the SATA ports so can't use the second existing M.2 port as it shares bandwidth with SATA ports 5&6
Hi Chris V, Welcome! Appreciate Your Comments! Excellent! Thank You for Your Support! Just make certain that Slot is X8, electrically. Great Self Bifurcated Add in card for 4 M.2 NVMe PCIe 3.0 Drives! Keep Us Posted on Your Progress!
How do the 4x pcie self bifurcated nvme adapters work? Do they just split 4 lanes into 2x2 lanes? Or does each drive have access to 4 lanes of bandwidth which is shared between the two drives?
Hi Anonymous .A, Great Question! The PLX Chip handles the Lane Switching for Upstream and Down Stream Ports. Each M.2 NVMe PCIe Device gets 4 Lanes of Bandwidth, Shared or Switched on the fly! A PLX Chip, Built on to a Motherboard provides more PCIe Slots. Whereas a PLX Chip on a Self Bifurcated PCIe Add in card provides more PCIe Lanes to the M.2 NVMe Drives on 1 PCIe Slot. Just a different allocation of PCIe Lanes or PCIe Ports. When We refer to the Lane Switching technology, We say PLX which is a brand which is now owned by Broadcom but reference the technology by the Brand name to keep it simple. That's why self Bifurcated PCIe add in cards are so expensive, that Broadcom PLX Chip! Other Brands are less expensive and have lower Performance capabilities. Chipsets Rule! Hope that helps! Hope that helps!
Ok, so this video came up on my search for USB 3 adapters. I'm shopping for one so I can allocate new drives as well as read data off of them. The M.2 keying is driving me crazy. I was looking for a USB3 adapter card that can read both B key and M key so I started shopping for a B+M adapter to USB3. Then the manufacturers warn that the adapter can't use NVMe protocol nor read M keyed SSDs... So why is the adapter B+M? I do realize there is SATA and AHCI methods but I just needed a universal M.2 SSD reader. A little help please.
Hi J. Wolff, Welcome! Odd suggestion! Works well for both of Us! You came to the right place! Anker has one that may meet Your Needs. The Last one We built was for USB-C specifically. We used that for a faster Windows Media Installation tool! Anker PowerExpand M.2 NVMe and SATA SSD Enclosure Adapter, USB 3.1 Gen2 10Gbps, USB C and Thunderbolt 3 Compatible, Supports M or B&M Keys, and Size 2230/2242 / 2260/2280 SSDs amzn.to/3oHuLfB As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases. Hope that helps! Thanks for Asking!
Hi Jónatas Valério, Welcome! Outstanding! I'm honored! Appreciate Your Comments! We found another one! Self Bifurcated - Glotrends Dual M.2 PCIe 3.0 Adapter, Support M.2 PCIe RAID Setup Under 2 x M.2 PCIe 3.0 SSD amzn.to/3TrUFlc As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases!
Hi mipad553, Welcome! A multipurpose add in card or sorts. If there were, how would PCIe Lanes be allocated and / or Switched? PCIe Lanes are Split X4 or X8 from X16. PLX Chipsets handle Lane Switching back and forth or up and down for reference but only for like kind Devices specifically for M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Drives. No Lane Switching of any other Devices. What are You hoping to accomplish? Consumer Desktop Motherboards do not have enough PCIe Lanes to go around. And Bifurcation or Forking or Splitting of CPU PCIe Lanes to reiterate is for M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Drives only.
You can manually modify older bioses for nvme boot. I've done it in an Intel 3rd gen asus board actually. Not the easiest thing to do and there's risk involved (and you certainly need to deal with losing features on the BIOS and settings not being properly named too...), but it's very possible and a great way to improve your old kit with an nvme boot drive that does up to pcie 3.0 x4 if you have 2 gen3 slots.
Hi cldpt, Welcome! Yes a Bios can be modded. Best source is BIOS-Mods. We do not advise that. Not for the faint of heart. We've had reports of Users bricking TRX40 Motherboards due to a Beta Bios gone bad. A reallocation of PCIe Resources. Gain something, lose something else. Like on an X79 Chipset. Based on Windows 11 compliance, definitely a diminished option. Thanks for Sharing!
I need some help with this. I purchased a RIItop model M2TPCE16X adapter card and I am using a M.2 NVMe WD Black SN750, 1 TB. Now my MB is an Asus P9X79, older board. I can’t see the adapter drive in the BIOS boot log. Now what can I do or isn’t this compatible to use as a boot drive?
Hi Bill Solomon, Welcome! Interesting Question! Get ready to roll Up Your sleeves on this one! Possible but You'll have to work for it to make it happen! Just to verify. NVMe PCIe Adapter, RIITOP M.2 NVMe to PCI-e x4/x8/x16 Card with Heat Sink for M.2 (M Key) SSD 2280/2260/2242/2230 [Upgraded] amzn.to/3GtZxlA As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases! And Your Motherboard Model specifically... ASUS P9X79 - Latest Bios is Dated: 7-28-2014 www.asus.com/ca-en/supportonly/p9x79/helpdesk_knowledge/ The following links are Two Options. 1. Requires Driver. [Guide] NVMe-boot without modding your UEFI/BIOS (Clover-EFI bootloader method) winraid.level1techs.com/t/guide-nvme-boot-without-modding-your-uefi-bios-clover-efi-bootloader-method/31665 2. Requires Bios Mod! [OFFER] P9X79 PRO BIOS Modded for NVMe SSD winraid.level1techs.com/t/offer-p9x79-pro-bios-modded-for-nvme-ssd/31969 The next issue to check will be if Your GPU Supports UEFI Bios. Your Motherboard is legacy. Follow those links. Use GPU-Z to verify if Your GPU Supports UEFI. 3. Here's one more to read thoroughly. [Request] Asus P9x79 BIOS with NVMe support - BIOS/UEFI Modding / BIOS Modding Requests - Win-Raid Forum winraid.level1techs.com/t/request-asus-p9x79-bios-with-nvme-support/33358/18 Your Motherboard predates M.2 NVMe PCIe support. Doable. But a hassle! We do not recommend Bios Mods! Too easy to brick a Motherboard with an official Bios let alone installing a Bios Mod! Anyway, hope that helps! We've had maybe 2 Viewers over the years past who chose the Bios Mod on X79 and were Successful! Good luck and keep Us Posted on Your Progress! Your Results may vary!
I have a gigabyte ga-h81m-hd3 motherboard and I intend to mount a JEYI M.2 M Key Nvme SSD to PCI-e 4.0 Adapter and a ssd nvme Hard Drive Disk NVME Ｍ2 SSD 512GB 1TB High-speed but I am not sure that it will work. What do you recommend?
Hello achimlaurentiu6905, Welcome! That's a problem. Chipset: Intel H81 Express Chipset from 2013. PCIe 2.0. You only have 1 X16 Slot. Your Chipset Supports, X1, X2, X4. Your other 3 Slots are X1, electrically according to Gigabyte documentation. My Suggestion? You need a new Motherboard, CPU and RAM. You can see how much has changed in that short span of time. Hope that helps!
Awesome content! Question: I have a z270m MSI Mortar. I have a GPU in the 16x slot. a m.2 SSD installed on the m.2 slot. I want to expand using the other PCI slot via a pci express adapter m.2. Will this effect the GPU? I have a hard time understanding PCI lanes etc
Hi Dennis Rotondi, Welcome! I'm honored! Checking You PDF Manual. MSI z270m Mortar: www.msi.com/Motherboard/Z270M-MORTAR/Specification - PCI_E1: PCIe 3.0 x16 - PCI_E4: PCIe 3.0 x4 Each M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Drive requires 4 PCIe Lanes whether PCIe 3.0 or PCIe 4.0. That's why they are so fast! Beyond affecting the GPU, the greater question, will this work. You can only have 1 M.2 NVMe PCIe Drive on that Slot since there are only 4 PCIe Lanes available on that Slot. That Slot is x16 mechanically however, x4 electrically. No Dual M.2 Adapter possible! I know, bummer, right. I'm just the messenger! Hope that helps! Thanks for Asking!
Great work! This is the best compilation and review I've seen to date. Here's an interesting candidate for a future review. Low profile, double-sided, quad-port with switch for non-bifurcated motherboards. Linkreal LRNV9547LP-4I.
Hello Bill Voltmer, Welcome! Appreciate Your Comments! We'll keep that in mind for a future potential Video! Not a well known brand. Not many places have that product Listed. NewEgg maybe.
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Have you bought one yet? I would love to see the speed of a couple of the Optane 16gigs m.2 in a bifurcated board to see if they would work at twice the speed as they are 3X. As a cache for databases that would be a killer application with their petabytes of read write cycles.
Hi David White, Supermicro. Just have not had time to do the Video with all the other Technology happening. Now more relevant than ever due to so many Viewers using X570 Chipset and not having enough PCIe Resources! Since We're on AMD with Our Testing, We would need to be on Intel to make use of Intel Optane for any Testing of that type to be meaningful. Our foray into Intel Optane was with the Sabrent USB-C Enclosure for a faster install of Windows using the Windows Media Creation tool. Intel Optane was exactly what We needed! However, We had to use M10. No M15 in sight due to capacity requirements! We will keep that in mind for future Videos! PCIe 5.0 is coming soon! Thanks for Watching! Appreciate Your Comments!
Hi@@davidwhite2011, Should be same. Just PCIe 3.0, 3,500MBps instead of PCIe 4.0, 5,000MBps or 7,000MBps. Intel Optane is designed for Intel Chipsets. As You are using it now is same as We are using in USB-C Enclosure, as a regular M.2 NVMe Drive.
Hello, sorry I am confused. I have an asus x99 deluxe II motherboard. It came with a great m.2 adapter board but I no longer have it and wondering what is a good choice for single m.2? Thanks so much for your channel! : ) Also it has some weird u2_2 slots, I guess that went out the window? All my lanes are open other than the video card.
Hi Phone Mail, Welcome! Yes, the ASUS single M.2 NVMe PCIe Adapter You had was better than anything else available however, We can recommend two Options. Links below. ASUS x99 Deluxe II www.asus.com/supportonly/x99deluxe_ii/helpdesk_knowledge/ 1. Sabrent NVMe M.2 SSD to PCIe X16/X8/X4 Card with Aluminum Heat Sink (EC-PCIE) amzn.to/3qCqslI 2. Glotrends M.2 PCIe NVMe 4.0/3.0 Adapter with 0.12 Inch Thick M.2 Heatsink for M.2 PCIe SSD (NVMe and AHCI), PCIE 3.0X 4 Full Speed, Desktop PC Installation (PA09-HS) amzn.to/3zi3iVx As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases. Hope that helps! Success on Your install! Keep Us Posted on Your Progress! All You'll require is a single 4 Lane PCIe Slot, electrically.
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hello and thanks for the effort. i was trying to figure out which dual nvme has support for as in size and power usage for hp microserver gen10 plus, since most cards out of supply in my country, do you thing riitop card would do it or no chipset bufurcation so less power need card would you recommend? thanks and respect
Hi bluespirit, Welcome! Appreciate Your Comments You are not alone in asking that Question! Currently, PCIe Bios Bifurcation is not Supported on Your Configuration. Another way to define this, Passive vs Active Bifurcation which is not as clear as PCIe Bios Bifurcation (Passive) vs Self Bifurcated (Active). Do You know Your Motherboard Chipset? That's easy to Verify if the Chipset Supports PCIe Bios Bifurcation. If not possible then a Self Bifurcated Low Profile card would be in Order such as what You are asking about. To reiterate, the RIITOP Dual NVMe PCIe Adapter, RIITOP M.2 NVMe SSD to PCI-e 3.1 x8 /x16 Card Supports M.2 (M Key) NVMe SSD is a Self Bifurcated card. amzn.to/3EjfYPS Should include low Profile Bracket. We have not Tested to Verify efficacy of product. Link below. amzn.to/3lLLP5j As an Amazon Affiliate I earn from qualifying purchases! Hope that helps! Keep Us Posted on Your Progress! Next Question, does Your Bios support NVMe?
Hi@@bluespirit146, Download, install and run Belarc Advisor Free. Let that program interrogate Your Computer and Network. You'll know more than You thought possible. Belarc will ID Your Motherboard and Chipset and everything else! Link below. 1. Belarc Advisor Free www.belarc.com/products/belarc-advisor Let Us know what You find out!
I bought a 16x 4.0 to 4 M2 card and it somehow contains an ASMEDIA 1184E. Any idea why a card like this uses a PCIE 2.0 switch chip and yet still manages to deliver full pcie 4 speeds?
Let the M.2 madness begin. Of course I'd personally like to get a hold of the dual M.2 card that comes with the Gigabyte Z590 Xtreme. Curious as to why the high end Intel 11th gen boards only get a Dual m.2 card where as AMD's get quad cards.😁
Hi John, Agreed! I'll always remember the 1st M.2 NVMe PCIe Quad AIC video We did. Expected that to be very esoteric. Man was I way off on that one! Anyone that gets their hands on an M.2 is hooked! More the merrier! Eventually Gigabyte surely will make that AIC available. Just a matter of when! Just goes to show, more value on AMD! Thanks for Sharing! Stay tuned! BTW: Just based on Motherboards, although not the same by any means, compare the Gigabyte Z590 Aorus Xtreme Motherboard to the Gigabyte TRX40 Designare Motherboard on Price, Performance and Features. Perception and Perceptive! The Motherboard and Chipset are the Foundation of a great Computer Build! Yes, We'd still like to test that Aorus Pro Gen4 AIC Adapter aka Dual M.2 NMVe Adapter! If We could locate a SKU!
@@BuildOrBuy I wish they would offer that AIC card. Another helpful video for those who have questions! While on the NVME M.2 topic. Have you had the chance to see the level1techs video on Threadripper Pro on the Asus board running 23 NVME...insane.
X570 and Z590 only have one X16 PCIe socket. With a GPU in the top slot X16, great. With a gpu in the top slot and an NVMe card in the second slot, both go to 8X :( . AMD's quad cards are for TRX40 with two X16 slots or WRX80 with 7 X16 slots. AMD's quad Hyper GEN4 PCIe card will work with just two NVMe drives in an 8X slot. HighPoint has a GEN4 PCIe card with a PLX chip (I think that's what u call it). That will run 4 NVMe drives in an 8X slot. Lots of money. I dumped dual channel ram and only 24 cpu lanes with the first gen Ryzen and went to first gen Threadripper with 64 GEN3 cpu lanes and quad channel ram. That is an antique and 8 channel ram with 128 GEN4 cpu lanes has been available for a year. FIGHT THE BOTTLE NECKS
Hi@@maxhughes5687, All about PCIe Resource allocations! AMD's quad Hyper GEN4 PCIe card... We experienced load balancing issues on a 4 Drive Card with only 2 Drives. Your Results may vary. Yes, HighPoint uses a PLX Chip. Broadcom. An Enterprise solution for the Desktop. Think of those as hybrid cards. The Downside... Since they have a PLX Chip, that's the governor controlling the Speed, PCIe 3.0 or PCIe 4.0. The Upside, PLX Chip Lane Switching allows for 8 Drives to use 16 PCIe Lanes, 1 PCIe Slot instead of 32 PCIe Lanes. Absolutely! Identify the Bottlenecks! A chain is only as strong as the weakest link. To reiterate, all about Resource allocations! Chipsets Rule!
Thanks for this rare video that actually talks about such adapters does performs switching (Support Non-Bifurcation Motherboard). I am currently contemplating on whether to get this card that has x4 lanes (links not allowed here, can search for 'GLOTRENDS Dual M.2 PCIe NVMe Adapter') and install on my laptop in order to share the bandwidth between an NVMe SSD and an eGPU. Do you think it will work for a laptop with M.2 slot? (using an extension riser)
Hi Dareen C, Welcome! Appreciate Your Comments! First, is this the Adapter You're asking about? GLOTRENDS Dual M.2 PCIe 3.0 Adapter, Support M.2 PCIe RAID Setup Under 2 x M.2 PCIe 3.0 SSD amzn.to/3kNH47y For future reference since UA-cam blocks links due to spam enforcements, if the Component is listed on Amazon, get the ASIN Number and share that to expedite Your request. Second, what Laptop Brand and Model? You have a Laptop with a PCIe Slot?
@@BuildOrBuy Thank you for the reply! yes that's the adapter that i'm referring to. My laptop is Lenovo IdeaPad 330s. It does not come with a PCIe slot so to speak, but there's an M.2 slot, which i'm thinking I can connect an adapter that converts it to a PCIe slot. Eg, this item from Amazon with ASIN number B08DRDT47K
Hi@@darrenc2370 Ok. That's a precarious setup. In theory that should work. What about closing the lid on Your Laptop? You don't want to stress that Cable. Are You using both as Single Drives or in RAID? Does Your Bios support RAID?
@@BuildOrBuy Yes, there will be issue for closing the back cover, but i've seen some videos where people cut a small hole on the cover to allow the cable to stick out. As for the drives, i'm actually intending to pair my NVMe SSD with an eGPU (ADT-Link R43SG), instead of a second drive. The main consideration for this setup is that adding this eGPU will take away the only single M.2 slot that i have in my laptop. So i'm thinking that by using this dual M.2 NVMe PCIe adapter, will it allow my laptop to detect both devices.
Hi@@darrenc2370, Sounds like You're prepared for what to expect. Good luck! Let's hope this procedure is worth the effort in Results. Keep Us Posted on Your Progress!
1. So if I want two m.2 is better to use the pcie cards? I see mobo with 2 m.2 slots. But I think 1 slot is slow and 1 slot is fast? 2. Will mobo recognize the pcie m.2 slot as the hard drive or do I manually have to tell the mobo to look into the pcie for a hard drive device ? 3. Do I set the mobo bios or windows to get the two m.2 to run at raid 0?
Hi Jolly Green, Welcome! Lots of Questions! This really needs a Video! Until then... 1. M.2 NVMe Drive location. On Motherboard - To CPU is fastest or through Chipset will be slower. On an M.2 AIC is the 2nd fastest. Faster than the Chipset if the PCIe Slot is to the CPU. We have to look to determine the Specs. Tell Us Your Motherboard for Specifics. 2. Depends upon the Motherboard Bios. Easier to accomplish on a newer Motherboard. More difficult on an older Motherboard. Again, Tell Us Your Motherboard for Specifics. 3. If You want to Boot from the Drives in RAID 0, that has to be setup in the Bios. Same applies. Tell Us Your Motherboard for Specifics. The Brand and Model will help Us to help You! And We might follow up with a Video to help in Our explanation! We're all about Answering Subscribers Questions! We'll do Our best to get You up and running once We know what You have! Hope that helps! Thanks for Asking!
@@BuildOrBuy wow, all depends on mobo. Thanks a million. Hardware specific decideds the answer. Good to know. I have see other you tubers mention that in the mobo, 1 m.2 slot is faster than the 2nd m.2.. but I guess I have to be careful on which mobo to get. Thanks a millions
Hi@@jollygreen4662, Typically the 1st M.2 is to the CPU whereas depending upon the Motherboard if only 2 M.2 NVMe PCIe Drives then the 2nd one will be through the Chipset. And that one through the Chipset may be PCIe 4.0 or may be PCIe 3.0. We have to check and verify the PCIe Resource allocations. When You're ready, lets talk Chipsets. That's the Foundation for Your Motherboard. And Chipsets Rule! Right now, think about how many CPU Cores You want. 10 Core, 16 Core, HEDT or Workstation, Etc. And name Your Task, Content Creation, Games, etc. Our Specialty is Computers for Content Creation! Then We can explore the Chipsets and from there see what We can determine about the M.2 Drives. For example... Some Motherboards have 4 M.2 Drives. 1st 2 will be to the CPU. The 2nd 2 will be through the Chipset. We have to verify. www.PCPartPicker.com is a good place to start using their System Builder. Not perfect but very informative. We're all about Answering Subscribers Questions! Hope that helps!
Hello and thanks for the pieces of information I just want to make sure... I have an Asus 570 formula motherboard and recently got a 980 pro m.2 gen 4 . Do I need a gen 4 adapter to fully use the 7000 Mbps drive speed or I can use an old adapter. And thank you in advance I`ll appreciate it very much!
Hi Stef Ti, First, Welcome and Congrats! *ASUS ROG Crosshair VIII Formula, AMD X570?* rog.asus.com/us/motherboards/rog-crosshair/rog-crosshair-viii-formula-model/spec - 3 PCIe Slots. As long as the M.2 NVMe PCIe Adapter is just an I/O Adapter, requires Motherboard Bifurcation, and is not self Bifurcated, You're good to go! The PLX Chip would be the problem on a self Bifurcated AIC. Which one are You planning on using?
@@BuildOrBuy How fast Gill! ..it will be a storage /programs drive to upload large chunks of orthophotos files into my flight simulator and i`ll be using the pciex16_3 (if it matters).The adapter I`ll be using use to be on my dead Gigabyte x299 gaming 9 Thanks! I just checked thePat Piano Videos .and she reminds me of a lady (don`t remember her name) she played piano in a restaurant in Huston 20+ years ago whom nephew died soon after a successful movie ..Pat reminds me of her
Hi@@stefti4527, Bummer about what You had. Congrats on what You have! From what You describe, Perfect! You're good to go. However, be sure and test and verify! Keep Us Posted on Your Progress! Thanks for Asking! We were going to do more of those Videos after she practiced a bit then things changed drastically and very quickly. She use to play professionally in her younger days. I have not heard from her in a while and neither of them responded to my last few messages. Pat and her Husband were really fun people to be around. I miss them both. Her husband came to the Live Meetings. Good times. Thanks for noticing!
Hi J. D. Welcome! Prices on Single M.2 NVMe PCIe Adapters are Up like everything else. Requires 4 PCIe Lanes. 1. GLOTRENDS M.2 PCIe NVMe 4.0/3.0 Adapter with 0.12 Inch Thick M.2 Heatsink for M.2 PCIe SSD (NVMe and AHCI), PCIE 3.0X 4 Full Speed, Desktop PC Installation (PA09-HS) amzn.to/3y05d1Y 2. Sabrent NVMe M.2 SSD to PCIe X16/X8/X4 Card with Aluminum Heat Sink (EC-PCIE) amzn.to/3tKfqNL As an Amazon Affiliate I earn from qualifying purchases! Hope that helps!
Do you know of a m.2 nvme 4.0 expansion? I am limited to space. I don't want to limit my speed. The lowest the system can handle is 5000mb/s. Was hoping to find a male ribbon cable to 2-4 female m.2 nvme4.0, 16 channel on both sides. FYI this is not a PCIe card. It's soldered on the mother board with no area for expansions.
Hello@@grndragon2443, The PS5 only has 1 M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Expansion Slot. That's 4 PCIe Lanes. To do what You ask would require a Device with a PLX Chipset to do the Lane Switching. Don't see a Market for such a Device. Possible but not Practical. However, never say never. Why? ASUS has Designed a GPU with 2 M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Drive Expansion Slots. Go figure. The Point? What You ask could happen if there were enough requests.
@@BuildOrBuy from what I've seen is that the PS5 m.2 nvme gen4 slot is 16 lanes. I've seen one person add a network card to a Linux server for more memory. And the other added a PCIe card with power supply to get more memory. I was hoping to find a different way that didn't require so much hardware.
Hello@@grndragon2443, That M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD expansion Slot is 4 PCIe Lanes. Currently, all M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Drives require 4 PCIe Lanes. CXL - Compute Express Link and NVMe Key Value Command Set will change everything in PCIe Resource allocations!
My board which is X570 Asus crosshair formula VIII. I have 2 M.2 nvme drives. Do I need one of those Adapters? R could I put 2 straight in the motherboard with np. I’m just curious I really don’t know anything about the m.2 raid r using 2 m.2 at all.
Hi Brandon Noyb, Just now seeing Your message! UA-cam did not send Us a notice! That all depends. Let's take a look at Your Motherboard and verify those Resources so We can extrapolate and figure out what's possible! X570 ASUS Crosshair Formula VIII rog.asus.com/us/motherboards/rog-crosshair/rog-crosshair-viii-formula-model/spec Expansion Slots: 1 x PCIe 4.0 x16 (x4 mode) 2 x PCIe 4.0 x16 (x16 or dual x8) 2 x PCIe 3.0 x16 (x16 or dual x8) 1 x PCIe 3.0 x16 (x8 mode) AMD X570 chipset 1 x PCIe 4.0 x1 Storage: 1 x M.2_1 socket 3, (PCIE 4.0 x4) 1 x M.2_2 socket 3, (PCIE 4.0 x4) Options: 1. Yes, You can RAID those 2 M.2 NVMe Drives and expect better performance. Fastest. 2. Yes, You can ADD a Dual M.2 NVMe PCIe Adapter since You have x8 PCIe Slots. Fast. 3. Combine all 4 for RAID on PCIe 4.0! 4 Drives in RAID = the Speed of 3. Therefor, if 3 x 7,000MBps = 21,000MBps. RAID 0 provides 2 benefits. Capacity and Speed in that order. Any of the 3 options Listed above would be Bootable RAID 0 if created from Hybrid Bios RAID. Excellent Question! Hope that helps!
Hi Brian Froeber, Welcome! Great Question! Yes! As You may have noticed, hard to find too! Since You're asking about M.2 SATA SSDs, have included other M.2 SATA SSD Options below. These first 3 are Specific to Your Question. 1. Vantec Dual M.2 SSD RAID PCIe x4 Host Card (UGT-M2PC300R) amzn.to/3VAm2ZV 2. StarTech.com 3-port M.2 SSD (NGFF) Adapter Card - Supports 1x PCIe (NVMe) M.2 SSD, 2x SATA III M.2 amzn.to/3vq2v3Z 3. IO CREST Dual M.2 B-Key SATA SSD Converter PCI Express 3.0 x1 Expansion Card Heat Sink Jmicron JMB582 Chipset SI-PEX40153 amzn.to/3jCUUMD 4. SoNNeT Fusion Dual 2.5-inch SSD RAID amzn.to/3Q0AZ6w 5. StarTech.com Dual M.2 SATA Adapter with RAID - 2x M.2 SSDs to 2.5in SATA (6Gbps) RAID Adapter Converter with TRIM Support (25S22M2NGFFR) amzn.to/3jFJCaz 6. StarTech.com M.2 to SATA Adapter - Dual Slot - for 2.5in Drive Bay - RAID - M.2 SSD - M.2 Adapter - M.2 SSD Adapter (S322M225R) amzn.to/3vsx6xS As an Amazon Affiliate I earn from qualifying purchases! Hope We have that well covered! Been wondering if and when someone would ask about this! You are the first!
@@BuildOrBuy Yeah a friend handed me a small stack of M.2 SATA drives I'd like to use in a casual gaming/media PC for extra storage and the best option I have is on a x4 PCI card.
Hi Bikes and Beats, Welcome! Absolutely! That's the default Design. RAID is a function of the Bios or O/S. To reiterate, the M.2 NVMe Dual Adapter can do either one so both Drives are seen as individual Drives! Hope that helps! Thanks for Asking!
@@BuildOrBuy Thanks. I was asking because I saw quite a few videos of guys installing dual or quad cards and only one drive shows up until they configure RAID. I should specify that I'm referring to Mac.
HI@@bikesandbeats4693, Absolutely! OK, change one thing changes everything. We only know PC Computers! On a PC, that's one Bios Setting to enable Bifurcation. The other Bios settings which are numerous are for RAID. There are 3 types of RAID. A Hybrid Bios RAID and a OS Software RAID. Both are software. The third is a Hardware RAID. Hardware RAID is a real RAID for Speed and Data integrity. A software RAID is a poor mans RAID. With a Software RAID We gain Capacity at the expense of Performance. Can You be specific on which Generation of MAC? From what I have read, a MACbook pro (PCIe 2.0) does not support Bifurcation. I do not know about the Apple M1. We can deduce PCIe 3.0 since they have Thunderbolt 4 and a 10 Core CPU, 32 Core GPU. Furthermore, I cannot find any real Specs. Only marketing Specs. Nothing about PCIe Lanes.
www.apple.com/newsroom/2021/10/introducing-m1-pro-and-m1-max-the-most-powerful-chips-apple-has-ever-built/ And We have recommended AICs for MAC that were self Bifurcated. Hope that helps! Are You using a MAC?
Hi@@bikesandbeats4693, What We do is Specific to a PC Computer. The Apple Documentation is not as Specific and more difficult to Research. I have no personal experience with a MAC. Some of theses AICs will work on a MAC. They will specify if they do such as Sonnet and Highpoint or Syba. support.apple.com/en-us/HT210104 To reiterate, You need a Card that is Self Bifurcated to work in a MAC. The Sonnet and Highpoint or Syba are Self Bifurcated. Hope that helps!
hi have a msi b450 tomahawk i trying to put in a M.2 NVME to PCIe 3.0 x4 Adapter with Aluminum Heatsink Solution with a Crucial P3 1TB PCIe 3.0 3D NAND NVMe M.2 SSD, up to 3500MB/s - CT1000P3SSD8 . I put in then trun it on it will not boot i also have a SAMSUNG 970 EVO Plus SSD 500GB - M.2 NVMe Interface Internal Solid State Drive with V-NAND Technology (MZ-V7S500B/AM) what am i doing wrong . please help
Hi Asathor, Welcome! 1. Which Slot are You using? PCI_E1 or PCI_E4 If using PCI_E4, that Slot is PCIe 2.0 and You have to have PCIe 3.0 or above for an M.2 NVMe PCIe Drive. A 4K Capture Card would work in that Slot. Those are PCIe 2.0, X4. But to reiterate, not a PCIe 3.0 M.2 NVMe PCIe Drive. PCI_E1 is PCIe 3.0. 2. What CPU are You using? Your Motherboard does not have enough PCIe Resources. Bummer. Hope that helps!
I'm running a crooshair hero 8 motherboard and I've been losing my mind trying to get my pcie gen 4 card to read 4 m.2 drives. Do I run them I. Raid 0?
Hi Stand Alone, Welcome! RAID or JBOD? That Motherboard does not Support Full Bifurcation. Why? Not enough PCIe Resources since you're using a X8 PCIe Slot, electrically. You're only going to see 2 M.2 NVMe Drives. Bummer, right. ASUS ROG Crosshair VIII Hero X570? rog.asus.com/us/motherboards/rog-crosshair/rog-crosshair-viii-hero-model/ Hope that helps!
im struggling to find a card for my asus tuf x570 pro wifi mobo. the top slot is my vid card all others are open. what would be your recomendation for 2 gig m.2 and adapter card
Hi Richard Taft, Welcome! Are You looking for a Single Drive Adapter? Your 2nd Slot is only X4 Lanes. You don't have any extra CPU PCIe Lanes for a Dual M.2 NVMe PCIe Adapter. That 2nd Slot is through Chipset PCIe Lanes and therefore cannot be Bifurcated even if there were X8 Lanes which it is not. Hope that helps!
@@BuildOrBuy For anyone who had an issue with their optic out plug not working (which I did due to my Designare being a rev 1 board), to fix this update your chipsets from the gigabyte website.
Hi@@SuitYourself , Very good point! Motherboard Chipset Drivers are most crucial for Thunderbolt 3 Success as well! The SPDIF, We have not been able to test yet! Thanks for Sharing!
Hi@@SuitYourself, Thanks for Sharing that info. Glad We could help! Success! Rev 2, very interesting. I would not have expected that until a Revision of the Motherboard which means they ran short of Titan Ridge Thunderbolt 3 AICs. Thanks for Sharing! Details matter!
@@BuildOrBuy Nor was I expecting, and then I ran into issues trying to update it as one would expect being a different rev. Figured I'd just try the r2 and boom, instant success.
Hi Ultra Mega, Welcome! Was responding to Your 1st Comment when it disappeared. Are You asking about the Dual M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Adapter? Requires X8 Slot, electrically. Does Your Bios support Bifurcation of X4+X4 on that Slot?
I have a {Aurus X570 Elite Wi-Fi} MB, I did Not think the Second Slot would Support these Adapter's, I went and Watched a Extensive one on my Board, and See My Second Slot can Do it, but it Shares the Slot, I just have to Figure out which one for my MB for Dual M.2NMe PDIE SSD Adapting. Any Suggestions? my MB is Rev 1.0
Hi@@ultramega8792, Ok. Explanation 1st! This is why We're doing Motherboard Overviews to Explain Slots and Storage for PCIe Resource allocations. Your Motherboard Gigabyte Aorus X570 Elite Wi-Fi www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/X570-AORUS-ELITE-WIFI-rev-1x/sp#sp You have the Following Resources: Slots: 1 - X16 to CPU 1 - X4 through Chipset 2 - X1 through Chipset In Your Motherboard PDF Manual, see: PCIeX16 Bifurcation Allows you to determine how the bandwidth of the PCIEX16 slot is divided. Options: Auto, PCIE 2x8, PCIE 1x8/2x4, PCIE 4x4. (Default: Auto) To install a Dual M.2 NVMe PCIe Dual Adapter requires X4+X4. And that's ONLY on the X16 Slot. Your other X16 Slot is X16, mechanically but NOT electrically! To reiterate, You Need X8, Bifurcated to X4+X4 and You don't have those PCIe Resources. Furthermore that 2nd Slot is through the Chipset. Only PCIe CPU Lanes can be Bifurcated but not Chipset PCIe Lanes. Your next option would be a Self Bifurcated AIC from Amfeltec. That will allow a X4 Slot to accommodate 2 M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Drives since there's an on-board PLX Chip doing the Lane Switching. See: Amfeltec M.2 Carrier Boards. www.amfeltec.com/pci-express-carrier-boards-for-m-2-ssd-modules/ Amfeltec is in Canada. They make great Products. Pricey too! Hope that helps!
Hi SevenDeMagnus, Outstanding! I'm honored! Working on the Summation of M.2 NVMe Heatsink Tests. And We have more M.2 Dual and Quad Adapters to evaluate! Stay tuned!
Gill be killing it man. This man is no joke, this is for the hardcore and he makes it so simple. 👍🏿
Hi Sr Chalice,
I'm honored! Appreciate Your Comments! Both Dual M.2 NVMe Adapters and Quad Adapters have their place. My Goal, Keep it Simple and Make it Work! Everything is about PCIe Resources, right now! And Vendors lack clarity on that point of reference. Thanks for Watching!
Thank you for taking the time! I’m sure this helps more people than just myself.
Hi Mr Serrano, Absolutely! Appears to be so! We've been Answering Subscribers Questions all day! Amazing! Next Up, Supermicro Dual M.2 NVMe AIC. Stay tuned!
Hi Gill! You have such an informative channel! I found you on the VRA Facebook thread and I love how effective your delivery is. Congratulations! I subbed!!!
Hi Jackie Diy,
Welcome! I'm honored! Thank You for Your Comments and for Subscribing!
amazing review, probably one of the top 3 reviews I've seen on YT. Thank you man
Hi Ali,
Welcome! Thank You for Your Comments! I'm Honored! And there is now another Dual M.2 NVMe Adapter being introduced! Stay tuned!
I really appreciate how you share the hard-core stuff with us.
I'm looking into the HighPoint Technologies cards. They have a 4 and an 8 slot for M.2. They say they can be set to hardware RAID, but some drives can be carved out to be regular prime drives. The RAID drives have to be the same capacity drives, but the ones not for RAID can be various sizes, so I could have a use for a 500GB drive again.
Hi RivenrockGardens,
Welcome! I'm honored! Keep it Simple and Make it Work! Good call! Highpoint can also be Bootable which means they have a Bios which means those cards are appending the Motherboard Bios! Wild stuff! Been a long time since We've had anything like that! Goes back to Promise VLB Multi I/O Cards! Yes! I have a tendency to think in JBOD terms about Drive Capacities and I should NOT! And what type of JBOD depends upon who is doing the talking! HighPoint is using Broadcom PLX Chips for the PCIe Lane multiplexing for both 4 and 8 M.2 NVMe PCIe Drive Cards! Fascinating technology! Which HighPoint card are You considering? Gigabyte is suppose to have one coming out. When, nothing announced since the Press Release! We did a Video about that card from Gigabyte for 8 Drives, already populated which is a Bummer before they even get started! We all like to Spec Our Own Drives for Speed and Capacity! Appreciate Your Comments! This helps Us to make better Videos!
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There are cheaper controllers, but this one has a huge amount of data transfer and ability to work through the MoBo as you say.
HighPoint Technologies SSD7540 PCIe 4.0 x16 8-Port M.2 NVMe RAID Controller
It's overkill for me, I know.
And not only is it so pricey, it'd cost a lot just to put a few drives in it. But I could go ahead and keep adding drives every year or so, and not have to go from a 2 drive, to four and then 8 and maybe end up spending more money.
I don't think I need RAID though, these drives are so fast as they are.
I'd use it just so I can have drives for the various foods I have in my garden, because I don't consider anything archive except published videos. If i plant a fig tree I might keep and use snippets of videos from it through the years. And I like the idea of a big past card like that. And I think from now on I'll stick with 980Pro even though 970Evo are a bit cheaper, and to my eyes seem just as fast, though the benchmarks 6,350 vs 3,500 don't lie.
I have two machines, both 5950x on PCIe boards. So I kind of use them together for my art processing and my garden videos. This way I have enough SATA connectors and PCIe lanes. I am looking to put a threadripper together one day and have just one main computer.
Mostly what it is, after 25 years of trying to save money by having 'just what I need' in computers, I decided to build a couple of computers that really work for me! I mean, 10 and 12 years PSU warranties, big giant BeQuiet and Fractal Torrent cases, I could put a ThreadRipper into the BeQuiet. This is why I like your channel, you show the equipment I think is cool!
Hi@@Rivenrock,
I'm honored! Smart choices! We can relate! Even an X399, 2 Computers! Not so much with TRX40 HEDT. But that Platform is now history according to AMD! Bummer! Therefor, You're definitely a candidate for a Threadripper Pro! You need a X16 PCIe Slot, electrically! We're all waiting on the new Threadripper Pro CPUs! Maybe by October 2022! Thanks for Sharing! When You come across Computer I/O Technology You'd like to know more about, let Us know! Helps Us to make better Videos! Success on Your next Build!
@@BuildOrBuy Yep, I've been told by a few people now that the new Threadripper is likely to be something that would suit me well!
I've got over 6TB of video and art I drag around to make videos. When I need to grab from my archive and drag a few hundred GB of video from my 2.5" SSD through SATA to my NVME I have to wait what (now) seems a long time as the data transfers. Once it's in the NVME everything's great.
What is your perspective on a home/small business user having SAS drives? They are faster but heavily more expensive. But I like watching server channels and now many of them are moving their HDs and SSDs over to NVME drives. So used SAS drives might go down in prce and still be reliable as a second archive for remote storing for instance, and to replace the SSDs I have. But I'd want to use the little SAS to M.2 NVME adapter that fits into a 2.5" bay. That way every six months or so when I ned more space I could get a 2TB 980 Pro and take out the 970Evo and put that into the SAS connection for fast movement.
I'd need an SAS control card. Right now it'd have to go into my second machine as I'm out of 16 slots in my main unit.
I have 2.5 LAN between them.
I have a thinking that with the data centers shedding millions of SAS SSDs over the next few years might make it a more accepted thing to use.
And with the new Threadripper I could have my card with SAS plugs and also my existing card with SATA plugs AND the HighPoint controller.
I have a feeling that this would be my last computer! LOL
I really can't see me wanting or needing or even being able to use more!
But I do have these two running 24/7 at 100% CPU for almost two years with one and almost a year with the other.
There's nothing like having equipment so good the PSU fan never comes on (Titanium SeaSonic 850W). My old 4 core actually uses almost as much power from the wall at idle as one of these machines does. I've got filters, and actually put some finer screen inside of some of the stock ones.
Then I took a 20" box fan and taped a box made form five 20x20x1" HEPA filters to it so that the fan blows filtered air to the corner of the room where the computers sit. This makes a high pressure area so almost all the air will be well filtered. I swear, I can let these machines run for months full speed fans at 70 or 80% (I use freefansync, a good app) and not take the panels off but the PSU and SSD's and other smooth dark surfaces show only the very finest layer of fine dust that can barely be seen.
It costs more to have better equipment, yes it does. But when you can leave the machines running full speed and leave for the day and not have to worry about anything, it's a great thing.
I push my CPUs hard. 100%, only reduced to restart weekly or two. Big BeQuiet coolers, right now CPU at 67C and ambient temps at 29C. These hardly EVER get over 75C, and when they do, it's because ambient temps are up around 35C.
Rock-On Brother!
Hi@@Rivenrock,
Definitely a candidate for a Threadripper Pro WRX80 Workstation! The question, which Motherboard best suits Your needs. SAS, yes, an option. A WRX80 will most likely have SAS. However, on 1 Computer, ok. What about Storage to another Computer. SATA is fast enough for Storage. And yes, for speed, NVMe, preferably M.2 over U.2. SAS Drives vs SATA Drives are not that much more expensive considering their Capacity and Capability. We like to Keep it Simple and Make it Work! Absolutely Rock-On! Now is a great time to get started on Your Build Specs! Quality over Quantity! Options!
Thanks for the info! I had this issue and it took me few hours to find the right info.
Hi Daniel Laiu,
Welcome! Glad We could help! Appreciate Your Comments! Thanks for Sharing! Supermicro Dual M.2 NVMe Adapter! The best Solution! Thanks for Watching!
thanks. The video helped me to answer the question of how to get more NVMe SSDs in my Haswell based NAS. It now has 3 NVMe adapter cards. Also interesting for moving to a budget ITX board.
Hi Hans Kruse,
Welcome! Glad We could help! Just check for Bios Bifurcation going forward!
This video is everything I've been looking for! Thank you!
Hi Ben Forman,
Welcome! Outstanding! Appreciate Your Comments! Thanks for Watching!
Just saw this video. Love your enthusiasm and style. Hope you are still doing great.
Hi Fahad Yousuf,
Welcome! Thank You! Appreciate Your Comments! Fascinating Topic!
@@BuildOrBuy I just got a 4x NVMe to PCIe x16 card off AliExpress. Let's see how that goes. Was close to 26 USD with shipping but has decent reviews. Fingers crossed.
Hi@@fahadysf,
Extremely cheap. Hope it works! Quad cards have 2 Requirements: 1. Full X16 Slot, electrically not just mechanically. 2. Full Bios Bifurcation. Hope Your Motherboard meets those Requirements!
Thanks for this video. I bought the wrong one but now I know before I deployed.
Hello 84Actionjack,
Welcome! Outstanding! The Supermicro Dual M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Adapter is hard to beat! If only Supermicro had a Heatsink Onboard!
BTW: Your Motherboard will have to Support Bios Bifurcation of X4X4. Hope that helps!
The WD AN1500 uses a Marvell 88NR2241 chipset. It seems to be running custom firmware as you can't really configure it from what I can tell; any drives you install automatically get configured in RAID0.
Hi sabishiihito, Custom Firmware set to RAID 0 only. Interesting. Good to know the PLX Chip. Thanks for Sharing!
Another reason to go for the Supermicro AIC. We have total control.
On the internet I rely on user's comments about compatibility. But most guys won't tell us what the other components are. They make reading their review a waste of time. Sorry, just an old beef I've been sitting on.
Absolutely! We can relate! Knowing what's being used in conjunction with the Topic goes to relevancy. Changing one thing can change everything. Not everyone has the same Results either. If We're going to help one another, We need to know the Details! The Who, What, Why and How for Context!
Thanks for the detailed explanation. I'm going with the Glotrends (used your link) card to add a single NVME M.2 device to my ASUS Z390. I'm using all the SATA ports so can't use the second existing M.2 port as it shares bandwidth with SATA ports 5&6
Hi Chris V,
Welcome! Appreciate Your Comments! Excellent! Thank You for Your Support! Just make certain that Slot is X8, electrically. Great Self Bifurcated Add in card for 4 M.2 NVMe PCIe 3.0 Drives! Keep Us Posted on Your Progress!
How do the 4x pcie self bifurcated nvme adapters work?
Do they just split 4 lanes into 2x2 lanes? Or does each drive have access to 4 lanes of bandwidth which is shared between the two drives?
Hi Anonymous .A,
Great Question! The PLX Chip handles the Lane Switching for Upstream and Down Stream Ports. Each M.2 NVMe PCIe Device gets 4 Lanes of Bandwidth, Shared or Switched on the fly! A PLX Chip, Built on to a Motherboard provides more PCIe Slots. Whereas a PLX Chip on a Self Bifurcated PCIe Add in card provides more PCIe Lanes to the M.2 NVMe Drives on 1 PCIe Slot. Just a different allocation of PCIe Lanes or PCIe Ports. When We refer to the Lane Switching technology, We say PLX which is a brand which is now owned by Broadcom but reference the technology by the Brand name to keep it simple. That's why self Bifurcated PCIe add in cards are so expensive, that Broadcom PLX Chip! Other Brands are less expensive and have lower Performance capabilities. Chipsets Rule! Hope that helps!
Hope that helps!
Ok, so this video came up on my search for USB 3 adapters. I'm shopping for one so I can allocate new drives as well as read data off of them. The M.2 keying is driving me crazy. I was looking for a USB3 adapter card that can read both B key and M key so I started shopping for a B+M adapter to USB3. Then the manufacturers warn that the adapter can't use NVMe protocol nor read M keyed SSDs... So why is the adapter B+M? I do realize there is SATA and AHCI methods but I just needed a universal M.2 SSD reader. A little help please.
Hi J. Wolff,
Welcome! Odd suggestion! Works well for both of Us! You came to the right place! Anker has one that may meet Your Needs. The Last one We built was for USB-C specifically. We used that for a faster Windows Media Installation tool!
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Hope that helps! Thanks for Asking!
@@BuildOrBuy For your suggestion I followed your link and purchased this. Thank you for your help sir.
HI@@JWolff-md3ij,
Outstanding! Glad to help! Keep Us Posted on Your Progress! Thanks for Asking!
Clover Bootloader will let a PC without NVMe capability boot from a PCIe NVMe. I got it to work in an old Dell system that had a Core 2 Duo Quad.
Hi Walter LeSaulnier,
Welcome! Glad You brought that up! Not for everyone. However, Less invasive than a Bios Mod! Thanks for Sharing!
AWSOME VIDEO MAN! Already subscribed!
Hi Jónatas Valério,
Welcome! Outstanding! I'm honored! Appreciate Your Comments! We found another one! Self Bifurcated - Glotrends Dual M.2 PCIe 3.0 Adapter, Support M.2 PCIe RAID Setup Under 2 x M.2 PCIe 3.0 SSD
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Excellent, thank you
Hello j lo,
Welcome! Excellent. Much appreciated.
Good but is there any splitter to add SSD + Wifi card + eGPU in one wifi card port ?
Hi mipad553,
Welcome! A multipurpose add in card or sorts. If there were, how would PCIe Lanes be allocated and / or Switched? PCIe Lanes are Split X4 or X8 from X16. PLX Chipsets handle Lane Switching back and forth or up and down for reference but only for like kind Devices specifically for M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Drives. No Lane Switching of any other Devices. What are You hoping to accomplish? Consumer Desktop Motherboards do not have enough PCIe Lanes to go around. And Bifurcation or Forking or Splitting of CPU PCIe Lanes to reiterate is for M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Drives only.
You can manually modify older bioses for nvme boot. I've done it in an Intel 3rd gen asus board actually. Not the easiest thing to do and there's risk involved (and you certainly need to deal with losing features on the BIOS and settings not being properly named too...), but it's very possible and a great way to improve your old kit with an nvme boot drive that does up to pcie 3.0 x4 if you have 2 gen3 slots.
Hi cldpt,
Welcome! Yes a Bios can be modded. Best source is BIOS-Mods. We do not advise that. Not for the faint of heart. We've had reports of Users bricking TRX40 Motherboards due to a Beta Bios gone bad. A reallocation of PCIe Resources. Gain something, lose something else. Like on an X79 Chipset. Based on Windows 11 compliance, definitely a diminished option. Thanks for Sharing!
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Hi Celeron26,
Welcome! Glad We could bring that bit of sunshine to You today! Enlightening! Appreciate Your Comments! Happy Thanksgiving!
@@BuildOrBuy You have a good channel. Just subscribed. God bless you Sir😊
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I need some help with this. I purchased a RIItop model M2TPCE16X adapter card and I am using a M.2 NVMe WD Black SN750, 1 TB. Now my MB is an Asus P9X79, older board. I can’t see the adapter drive in the BIOS boot log. Now what can I do or isn’t this compatible to use as a boot drive?
Hi Bill Solomon,
Welcome! Interesting Question! Get ready to roll Up Your sleeves on this one! Possible but You'll have to work for it to make it happen!
Just to verify.
NVMe PCIe Adapter, RIITOP M.2 NVMe to PCI-e x4/x8/x16 Card with Heat Sink for M.2 (M Key) SSD 2280/2260/2242/2230 [Upgraded]
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And Your Motherboard Model specifically... ASUS P9X79 - Latest Bios is Dated: 7-28-2014
www.asus.com/ca-en/supportonly/p9x79/helpdesk_knowledge/
The following links are Two Options.
1. Requires Driver. [Guide] NVMe-boot without modding your UEFI/BIOS (Clover-EFI bootloader method)
winraid.level1techs.com/t/guide-nvme-boot-without-modding-your-uefi-bios-clover-efi-bootloader-method/31665
2. Requires Bios Mod!
[OFFER] P9X79 PRO BIOS Modded for NVMe SSD
winraid.level1techs.com/t/offer-p9x79-pro-bios-modded-for-nvme-ssd/31969
The next issue to check will be if Your GPU Supports UEFI Bios. Your Motherboard is legacy. Follow those links. Use GPU-Z to verify if Your GPU Supports UEFI.
3. Here's one more to read thoroughly.
[Request] Asus P9x79 BIOS with NVMe support - BIOS/UEFI Modding / BIOS Modding Requests - Win-Raid Forum
winraid.level1techs.com/t/request-asus-p9x79-bios-with-nvme-support/33358/18
Your Motherboard predates M.2 NVMe PCIe support. Doable. But a hassle! We do not recommend Bios Mods! Too easy to brick a Motherboard with an official Bios let alone installing a Bios Mod! Anyway, hope that helps! We've had maybe 2 Viewers over the years past who chose the Bios Mod on X79 and were Successful! Good luck and keep Us Posted on Your Progress! Your Results may vary!
Great information. Thanks
I have a gigabyte ga-h81m-hd3 motherboard and I intend to mount a JEYI M.2 M Key Nvme SSD to PCI-e 4.0 Adapter and a ssd nvme Hard Drive Disk NVME Ｍ2 SSD 512GB 1TB High-speed but I am not sure that it will work. What do you recommend?
Hello achimlaurentiu6905,
Welcome! That's a problem. Chipset: Intel H81 Express Chipset from 2013. PCIe 2.0. You only have 1 X16 Slot. Your Chipset Supports, X1, X2, X4. Your other 3 Slots are X1, electrically according to Gigabyte documentation. My Suggestion? You need a new Motherboard, CPU and RAM. You can see how much has changed in that short span of time. Hope that helps!
Awesome content! Question: I have a z270m MSI Mortar. I have a GPU in the 16x slot. a m.2 SSD installed on the m.2 slot. I want to expand using the other PCI slot via a pci express adapter m.2. Will this effect the GPU? I have a hard time understanding PCI lanes etc
Hi Dennis Rotondi,
Welcome! I'm honored! Checking You PDF Manual. MSI z270m Mortar:
www.msi.com/Motherboard/Z270M-MORTAR/Specification
- PCI_E1: PCIe 3.0 x16
- PCI_E4: PCIe 3.0 x4
Each M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Drive requires 4 PCIe Lanes whether PCIe 3.0 or PCIe 4.0. That's why they are so fast!
Beyond affecting the GPU, the greater question, will this work. You can only have 1 M.2 NVMe PCIe Drive on that Slot since there are only 4 PCIe Lanes available on that Slot. That Slot is x16 mechanically however, x4 electrically. No Dual M.2 Adapter possible! I know, bummer, right. I'm just the messenger! Hope that helps! Thanks for Asking!
Great work! This is the best compilation and review I've seen to date. Here's an interesting candidate for a future review. Low profile, double-sided, quad-port with switch for non-bifurcated motherboards. Linkreal LRNV9547LP-4I.
Hello Bill Voltmer,
Welcome! Appreciate Your Comments! We'll keep that in mind for a future potential Video! Not a well known brand. Not many places have that product Listed. NewEgg maybe.
@@BuildOrBuy If you need, we can send a free sample for your testing.
Hello@@kittyluo7555,
Welcome! Are You with Linkreal? Please contact Us from the About page for further Discussion through email. I'm currently adding to Our Production capabilities! Now a Certifed Commercial Drone Pilot! Lots of Studying involved!
Have you bought one yet? I would love to see the speed of a couple of the Optane 16gigs m.2 in a bifurcated board to see if they would work at twice the speed as they are 3X. As a cache for databases that would be a killer application with their petabytes of read write cycles.
Hi David White,
Supermicro. Just have not had time to do the Video with all the other Technology happening. Now more relevant than ever due to so many Viewers using X570 Chipset and not having enough PCIe Resources! Since We're on AMD with Our Testing, We would need to be on Intel to make use of Intel Optane for any Testing of that type to be meaningful. Our foray into Intel Optane was with the Sabrent USB-C Enclosure for a faster install of Windows using the Windows Media Creation tool. Intel Optane was exactly what We needed! However, We had to use M10. No M15 in sight due to capacity requirements! We will keep that in mind for future Videos! PCIe 5.0 is coming soon! Thanks for Watching! Appreciate Your Comments!
@@BuildOrBuy Optane works in my m.2 slot on a X570 3900x. Dont see why it would be different in a card.
Hi@@davidwhite2011, Should be same. Just PCIe 3.0, 3,500MBps instead of PCIe 4.0, 5,000MBps or 7,000MBps. Intel Optane is designed for Intel Chipsets. As You are using it now is same as We are using in USB-C Enclosure, as a regular M.2 NVMe Drive.
Hello, sorry I am confused. I have an asus x99 deluxe II motherboard. It came with a great m.2 adapter board but I no longer have it and wondering what is a good choice for single m.2? Thanks so much for your channel! : ) Also it has some weird u2_2 slots, I guess that went out the window? All my lanes are open other than the video card.
Hi Phone Mail,
Welcome! Yes, the ASUS single M.2 NVMe PCIe Adapter You had was better than anything else available however, We can recommend two Options. Links below.
ASUS x99 Deluxe II
www.asus.com/supportonly/x99deluxe_ii/helpdesk_knowledge/
1. Sabrent NVMe M.2 SSD to PCIe X16/X8/X4 Card with Aluminum Heat Sink (EC-PCIE)
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2. Glotrends M.2 PCIe NVMe 4.0/3.0 Adapter with 0.12 Inch Thick M.2 Heatsink for M.2 PCIe SSD (NVMe and AHCI), PCIE 3.0X 4 Full Speed, Desktop PC Installation (PA09-HS)
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Hope that helps! Success on Your install! Keep Us Posted on Your Progress! All You'll require is a single 4 Lane PCIe Slot, electrically.
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Gil, will the StarTech Dual M.2 PCIe ssd adapter PEX8M2 work on a Alienware Aurora R7 with a Z370 VDT73 motherboard that does not have bifurcation.
hello and thanks for the effort. i was trying to figure out which dual nvme has support for as in size and power usage for hp microserver gen10 plus, since most cards out of supply in my country, do you thing riitop card would do it or no chipset bufurcation so less power need card would you recommend? thanks and respect
Hi bluespirit,
Welcome! Appreciate Your Comments You are not alone in asking that Question! Currently, PCIe Bios Bifurcation is not Supported on Your Configuration. Another way to define this, Passive vs Active Bifurcation which is not as clear as PCIe Bios Bifurcation (Passive) vs Self Bifurcated (Active). Do You know Your Motherboard Chipset? That's easy to Verify if the Chipset Supports PCIe Bios Bifurcation. If not possible then a Self Bifurcated Low Profile card would be in Order such as what You are asking about. To reiterate, the RIITOP Dual NVMe PCIe Adapter, RIITOP M.2 NVMe SSD to PCI-e 3.1 x8 /x16 Card Supports M.2 (M Key) NVMe SSD is a Self Bifurcated card.
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Should include low Profile Bracket. We have not Tested to Verify efficacy of product. Link below.
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@@BuildOrBuy i couldnt find the chipset id online so i will be opening the case, thank you again, i will try the card and post the outcomes
Hi@@bluespirit146,
Download, install and run Belarc Advisor Free. Let that program interrogate Your Computer and Network. You'll know more than You thought possible. Belarc will ID Your Motherboard and Chipset and everything else! Link below.
1. Belarc Advisor Free
www.belarc.com/products/belarc-advisor
Let Us know what You find out!
I bought a 16x 4.0 to 4 M2 card and it somehow contains an ASMEDIA 1184E. Any idea why a card like this uses a PCIE 2.0 switch chip and yet still manages to deliver full pcie 4 speeds?
Let the M.2 madness begin.
Of course I'd personally like to get a hold of the dual M.2 card that comes with the Gigabyte Z590 Xtreme. Curious as to why the high end Intel 11th gen boards only get a Dual m.2 card where as AMD's get quad cards.😁
Hi John, Agreed! I'll always remember the 1st M.2 NVMe PCIe Quad AIC video We did. Expected that to be very esoteric. Man was I way off on that one! Anyone that gets their hands on an M.2 is hooked! More the merrier! Eventually Gigabyte surely will make that AIC available. Just a matter of when! Just goes to show, more value on AMD! Thanks for Sharing! Stay tuned!
BTW: Just based on Motherboards, although not the same by any means, compare the Gigabyte Z590 Aorus Xtreme Motherboard to the Gigabyte TRX40 Designare Motherboard on Price, Performance and Features. Perception and Perceptive! The Motherboard and Chipset are the Foundation of a great Computer Build! Yes, We'd still like to test that Aorus Pro Gen4 AIC Adapter aka Dual M.2 NMVe Adapter! If We could locate a SKU!
@@BuildOrBuy I wish they would offer that AIC card.
Another helpful video for those who have questions!
While on the NVME M.2 topic. Have you had the chance to see the level1techs video on Threadripper Pro on the Asus board running 23 NVME...insane.
Hi@@That_Stealth_Guy,
Agreed! Too busy with what We're doing! That's some serious storage! Thanks for Sharing!
X570 and Z590 only have one X16 PCIe socket. With a GPU in the top slot X16, great. With a gpu in the top slot and an NVMe card in the second slot, both go to 8X :( . AMD's quad cards are for TRX40 with two X16 slots or WRX80 with 7 X16 slots. AMD's quad Hyper GEN4 PCIe card will work with just two NVMe drives in an 8X slot. HighPoint has a GEN4 PCIe card with a PLX chip (I think that's what u call it). That will run 4 NVMe drives in an 8X slot. Lots of money. I dumped dual channel ram and only 24 cpu lanes with the first gen Ryzen and went to first gen Threadripper with 64 GEN3 cpu lanes and quad channel ram. That is an antique and 8 channel ram with 128 GEN4 cpu lanes has been available for a year. FIGHT THE BOTTLE NECKS
Hi@@maxhughes5687,
All about PCIe Resource allocations! AMD's quad Hyper GEN4 PCIe card... We experienced load balancing issues on a 4 Drive Card with only 2 Drives. Your Results may vary. Yes, HighPoint uses a PLX Chip. Broadcom. An Enterprise solution for the Desktop. Think of those as hybrid cards. The Downside... Since they have a PLX Chip, that's the governor controlling the Speed, PCIe 3.0 or PCIe 4.0. The Upside, PLX Chip Lane Switching allows for 8 Drives to use 16 PCIe Lanes, 1 PCIe Slot instead of 32 PCIe Lanes. Absolutely! Identify the Bottlenecks! A chain is only as strong as the weakest link. To reiterate, all about Resource allocations! Chipsets Rule!
Thanks for this rare video that actually talks about such adapters does performs switching (Support Non-Bifurcation Motherboard).
I am currently contemplating on whether to get this card that has x4 lanes (links not allowed here, can search for 'GLOTRENDS Dual M.2 PCIe NVMe Adapter') and install on my laptop in order to share the bandwidth between an NVMe SSD and an eGPU. Do you think it will work for a laptop with M.2 slot? (using an extension riser)
Hi Dareen C,
Welcome! Appreciate Your Comments! First, is this the Adapter You're asking about? GLOTRENDS Dual M.2 PCIe 3.0 Adapter, Support M.2 PCIe RAID Setup Under 2 x M.2 PCIe 3.0 SSD
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Second, what Laptop Brand and Model? You have a Laptop with a PCIe Slot?
@@BuildOrBuy Thank you for the reply!
yes that's the adapter that i'm referring to. My laptop is Lenovo IdeaPad 330s. It does not come with a PCIe slot so to speak, but there's an M.2 slot, which i'm thinking I can connect an adapter that converts it to a PCIe slot. Eg, this item from Amazon with ASIN number B08DRDT47K
Hi@@darrenc2370
Ok. That's a precarious setup. In theory that should work. What about closing the lid on Your Laptop? You don't want to stress that Cable. Are You using both as Single Drives or in RAID? Does Your Bios support RAID?
@@BuildOrBuy Yes, there will be issue for closing the back cover, but i've seen some videos where people cut a small hole on the cover to allow the cable to stick out.
As for the drives, i'm actually intending to pair my NVMe SSD with an eGPU (ADT-Link R43SG), instead of a second drive. The main consideration for this setup is that adding this eGPU will take away the only single M.2 slot that i have in my laptop. So i'm thinking that by using this dual M.2 NVMe PCIe adapter, will it allow my laptop to detect both devices.
Hi@@darrenc2370,
Sounds like You're prepared for what to expect. Good luck! Let's hope this procedure is worth the effort in Results. Keep Us Posted on Your Progress!
1. So if I want two m.2 is better to use the pcie cards? I see mobo with 2 m.2 slots. But I think 1 slot is slow and 1 slot is fast?
2. Will mobo recognize the pcie m.2 slot as the hard drive or do I manually have to tell the mobo to look into the pcie for a hard drive device ?
3. Do I set the mobo bios or windows to get the two m.2 to run at raid 0?
Hi Jolly Green,
Welcome! Lots of Questions! This really needs a Video! Until then...
1. M.2 NVMe Drive location. On Motherboard - To CPU is fastest or through Chipset will be slower. On an M.2 AIC is the 2nd fastest. Faster than the Chipset if the PCIe Slot is to the CPU. We have to look to determine the Specs. Tell Us Your Motherboard for Specifics.
2. Depends upon the Motherboard Bios. Easier to accomplish on a newer Motherboard. More difficult on an older Motherboard. Again, Tell Us Your Motherboard for Specifics.
3. If You want to Boot from the Drives in RAID 0, that has to be setup in the Bios. Same applies. Tell Us Your Motherboard for Specifics. The Brand and Model will help Us to help You! And We might follow up with a Video to help in Our explanation! We're all about Answering Subscribers Questions!
We'll do Our best to get You up and running once We know what You have! Hope that helps! Thanks for Asking!
@@BuildOrBuy wow, all depends on mobo. Thanks a million. Hardware specific decideds the answer. Good to know.
I have see other you tubers mention that in the mobo, 1 m.2 slot is faster than the 2nd m.2.. but I guess I have to be careful on which mobo to get.
Thanks a millions
Hi@@jollygreen4662,
Typically the 1st M.2 is to the CPU whereas depending upon the Motherboard if only 2 M.2 NVMe PCIe Drives then the 2nd one will be through the Chipset. And that one through the Chipset may be PCIe 4.0 or may be PCIe 3.0. We have to check and verify the PCIe Resource allocations. When You're ready, lets talk Chipsets. That's the Foundation for Your Motherboard. And Chipsets Rule! Right now, think about how many CPU Cores You want. 10 Core, 16 Core, HEDT or Workstation, Etc. And name Your Task, Content Creation, Games, etc. Our Specialty is Computers for Content Creation! Then We can explore the Chipsets and from there see what We can determine about the M.2 Drives. For example... Some Motherboards have 4 M.2 Drives. 1st 2 will be to the CPU. The 2nd 2 will be through the Chipset. We have to verify. www.PCPartPicker.com is a good place to start using their System Builder. Not perfect but very informative. We're all about Answering Subscribers Questions! Hope that helps!
good video .. thanks for information
Hi Monzer,
Welcome! Appreciate Your Comments!
Hello and thanks for the pieces of information I just want to make sure... I have an Asus 570 formula motherboard and recently got a 980 pro m.2 gen 4 . Do I need a gen 4 adapter to fully use the 7000 Mbps drive speed or I can use an old adapter. And thank you in advance I`ll appreciate it very much!
Hi Stef Ti,
First, Welcome and Congrats!
*ASUS ROG Crosshair VIII Formula, AMD X570?*
rog.asus.com/us/motherboards/rog-crosshair/rog-crosshair-viii-formula-model/spec
- 3 PCIe Slots.
As long as the M.2 NVMe PCIe Adapter is just an I/O Adapter, requires Motherboard Bifurcation, and is not self Bifurcated, You're good to go! The PLX Chip would be the problem on a self Bifurcated AIC. Which one are You planning on using?
@@BuildOrBuy How fast Gill! ..it will be a storage /programs drive to upload large chunks of orthophotos files into my flight simulator and i`ll be using the pciex16_3 (if it matters).The adapter I`ll be using use to be on my dead Gigabyte x299 gaming 9 Thanks!
I just checked thePat Piano Videos .and she reminds me of a lady (don`t remember her name) she played piano in a restaurant in Huston 20+ years ago whom nephew died soon after a successful movie ..Pat reminds me of her
Hi@@stefti4527,
Bummer about what You had. Congrats on what You have! From what You describe, Perfect! You're good to go. However, be sure and test and verify! Keep Us Posted on Your Progress! Thanks for Asking!
We were going to do more of those Videos after she practiced a bit then things changed drastically and very quickly. She use to play professionally in her younger days. I have not heard from her in a while and neither of them responded to my last few messages. Pat and her Husband were really fun people to be around. I miss them both. Her husband came to the Live Meetings. Good times. Thanks for noticing!
What about a single port adapter for around $5?
Hi J. D.
Welcome! Prices on Single M.2 NVMe PCIe Adapters are Up like everything else. Requires 4 PCIe Lanes.
1. GLOTRENDS M.2 PCIe NVMe 4.0/3.0 Adapter with 0.12 Inch Thick M.2 Heatsink for M.2 PCIe SSD (NVMe and AHCI), PCIE 3.0X 4 Full Speed, Desktop PC Installation (PA09-HS)
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2. Sabrent NVMe M.2 SSD to PCIe X16/X8/X4 Card with Aluminum Heat Sink (EC-PCIE)
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@@BuildOrBuy I see, thank you very much for the information.
Hi@@j.d.3269,
Absolutely! Thanks for Asking! Success on Your Build!
Do you know of a m.2 nvme 4.0 expansion? I am limited to space. I don't want to limit my speed. The lowest the system can handle is 5000mb/s. Was hoping to find a male ribbon cable to 2-4 female m.2 nvme4.0, 16 channel on both sides. FYI this is not a PCIe card. It's soldered on the mother board with no area for expansions.
Hello grndragon443,
Welcome! Which Motherboard? ASUS? Specifically which one?
@@BuildOrBuy PS5.
Hello@@grndragon2443,
The PS5 only has 1 M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Expansion Slot. That's 4 PCIe Lanes. To do what You ask would require a Device with a PLX Chipset to do the Lane Switching. Don't see a Market for such a Device. Possible but not Practical. However, never say never. Why? ASUS has Designed a GPU with 2 M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Drive Expansion Slots. Go figure. The Point? What You ask could happen if there were enough requests.
@@BuildOrBuy from what I've seen is that the PS5 m.2 nvme gen4 slot is 16 lanes. I've seen one person add a network card to a Linux server for more memory. And the other added a PCIe card with power supply to get more memory. I was hoping to find a different way that didn't require so much hardware.
Hello@@grndragon2443,
That M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD expansion Slot is 4 PCIe Lanes. Currently, all M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Drives require 4 PCIe Lanes. CXL - Compute Express Link and NVMe Key Value Command Set will change everything in PCIe Resource allocations!
My board which is X570 Asus crosshair formula VIII. I have 2 M.2 nvme drives. Do I need one of those Adapters? R could I put 2 straight in the motherboard with np. I’m just curious I really don’t know anything about the m.2 raid r using 2 m.2 at all.
Hi Brandon Noyb,
Just now seeing Your message! UA-cam did not send Us a notice! That all depends. Let's take a look at Your Motherboard and verify those Resources so We can extrapolate and figure out what's possible!
X570 ASUS Crosshair Formula VIII
rog.asus.com/us/motherboards/rog-crosshair/rog-crosshair-viii-formula-model/spec
Expansion Slots:
1 x PCIe 4.0 x16 (x4 mode)
2 x PCIe 4.0 x16 (x16 or dual x8)
2 x PCIe 3.0 x16 (x16 or dual x8)
1 x PCIe 3.0 x16 (x8 mode)
AMD X570 chipset
1 x PCIe 4.0 x1
Storage:
1 x M.2_1 socket 3, (PCIE 4.0 x4)
1 x M.2_2 socket 3, (PCIE 4.0 x4)
Options:
1. Yes, You can RAID those 2 M.2 NVMe Drives and expect better performance. Fastest.
2. Yes, You can ADD a Dual M.2 NVMe PCIe Adapter since You have x8 PCIe Slots. Fast.
3. Combine all 4 for RAID on PCIe 4.0! 4 Drives in RAID = the Speed of 3. Therefor, if
3 x 7,000MBps = 21,000MBps.
RAID 0 provides 2 benefits. Capacity and Speed in that order.
Any of the 3 options Listed above would be Bootable RAID 0 if created from Hybrid Bios RAID. Excellent Question! Hope that helps!
Are there any dual M.2 SSD cards that can read through the PCIe slot? B+M key SATA SSDs
Hi Brian Froeber,
Welcome! Great Question! Yes! As You may have noticed, hard to find too! Since You're asking about M.2 SATA SSDs, have included other M.2 SATA SSD Options below. These first 3 are Specific to Your Question.
1. Vantec Dual M.2 SSD RAID PCIe x4 Host Card (UGT-M2PC300R)
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2. StarTech.com 3-port M.2 SSD (NGFF) Adapter Card - Supports 1x PCIe (NVMe) M.2 SSD, 2x SATA III M.2
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3. IO CREST Dual M.2 B-Key SATA SSD Converter PCI Express 3.0 x1 Expansion Card Heat Sink Jmicron JMB582 Chipset SI-PEX40153
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4. SoNNeT Fusion Dual 2.5-inch SSD RAID
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5. StarTech.com Dual M.2 SATA Adapter with RAID - 2x M.2 SSDs to 2.5in SATA (6Gbps) RAID Adapter Converter with TRIM Support (25S22M2NGFFR)
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6. StarTech.com M.2 to SATA Adapter - Dual Slot - for 2.5in Drive Bay - RAID - M.2 SSD - M.2 Adapter - M.2 SSD Adapter (S322M225R)
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@@BuildOrBuy Yeah a friend handed me a small stack of M.2 SATA drives I'd like to use in a casual gaming/media PC for extra storage and the best option I have is on a x4 PCI card.
@@BuildOrBuy So how is #3 with speed? Wont it being only x1 slow w/ 2 drives?
Is it possible to have dual nvmes function on a single card as two separate drives rather than raid?
Hi Bikes and Beats,
Welcome! Absolutely! That's the default Design. RAID is a function of the Bios or O/S. To reiterate, the M.2 NVMe Dual Adapter can do either one so both Drives are seen as individual Drives! Hope that helps! Thanks for Asking!
@@BuildOrBuy Thanks. I was asking because I saw quite a few videos of guys installing dual or quad cards and only one drive shows up until they configure RAID. I should specify that I'm referring to Mac.
HI@@bikesandbeats4693,
Absolutely! OK, change one thing changes everything. We only know PC Computers! On a PC, that's one Bios Setting to enable Bifurcation. The other Bios settings which are numerous are for RAID. There are 3 types of RAID. A Hybrid Bios RAID and a OS Software RAID. Both are software. The third is a Hardware RAID. Hardware RAID is a real RAID for Speed and Data integrity. A software RAID is a poor mans RAID. With a Software RAID We gain Capacity at the expense of Performance.
Can You be specific on which Generation of MAC? From what I have read, a MACbook pro (PCIe 2.0) does not support Bifurcation. I do not know about the Apple M1. We can deduce PCIe 3.0 since they have Thunderbolt 4 and a 10 Core CPU, 32 Core GPU. Furthermore, I cannot find any real Specs. Only marketing Specs. Nothing about PCIe Lanes.
www.apple.com/newsroom/2021/10/introducing-m1-pro-and-m1-max-the-most-powerful-chips-apple-has-ever-built/
And We have recommended AICs for MAC that were self Bifurcated. Hope that helps! Are You using a MAC?
@@BuildOrBuy Thanks for the info. For specifics, I'm referring to a 2019 Mac Pro 7,1.
Hi@@bikesandbeats4693,
What We do is Specific to a PC Computer. The Apple Documentation is not as Specific and more difficult to Research. I have no personal experience with a MAC. Some of theses AICs will work on a MAC. They will specify if they do such as Sonnet and Highpoint or Syba.
support.apple.com/en-us/HT210104
To reiterate, You need a Card that is Self Bifurcated to work in a MAC. The Sonnet and Highpoint or Syba are Self Bifurcated. Hope that helps!
hi have a msi b450 tomahawk i trying to put in a M.2 NVME to PCIe 3.0 x4 Adapter with Aluminum Heatsink Solution with a Crucial P3 1TB PCIe 3.0 3D NAND NVMe M.2 SSD, up to 3500MB/s - CT1000P3SSD8 . I put in then trun it on it will not boot i also have a SAMSUNG 970 EVO Plus SSD 500GB - M.2 NVMe Interface Internal Solid State Drive with V-NAND Technology (MZ-V7S500B/AM) what am i doing wrong . please help
Hi Asathor,
Welcome!
1. Which Slot are You using?
PCI_E1 or PCI_E4
If using PCI_E4, that Slot is PCIe 2.0 and You have to have PCIe 3.0 or above for an M.2 NVMe PCIe Drive. A 4K Capture Card would work in that Slot. Those are PCIe 2.0, X4. But to reiterate, not a PCIe 3.0 M.2 NVMe PCIe Drive. PCI_E1 is PCIe 3.0.
2. What CPU are You using?
Your Motherboard does not have enough PCIe Resources. Bummer. Hope that helps!
I'm running a crooshair hero 8 motherboard and I've been losing my mind trying to get my pcie gen 4 card to read 4 m.2 drives. Do I run them I. Raid 0?
Hi Stand Alone,
Welcome! RAID or JBOD? That Motherboard does not Support Full Bifurcation. Why? Not enough PCIe Resources since you're using a X8 PCIe Slot, electrically. You're only going to see 2 M.2 NVMe Drives. Bummer, right.
ASUS ROG Crosshair VIII Hero X570?
rog.asus.com/us/motherboards/rog-crosshair/rog-crosshair-viii-hero-model/
Hope that helps!
im struggling to find a card for my asus tuf x570 pro wifi mobo. the top slot is my vid card all others are open. what would be your recomendation for 2 gig m.2 and adapter card
Hi Richard Taft,
Welcome! Are You looking for a Single Drive Adapter? Your 2nd Slot is only X4 Lanes. You don't have any extra CPU PCIe Lanes for a Dual M.2 NVMe PCIe Adapter. That 2nd Slot is through Chipset PCIe Lanes and therefore cannot be Bifurcated even if there were X8 Lanes which it is not. Hope that helps!
@BuildOrBuy I should have said my second large slot. Sorry for the misunderstanding. I believe it's 16x. I would like either a dual or a quad adapter.
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Much Appreciated!
@@BuildOrBuy For anyone who had an issue with their optic out plug not working (which I did due to my Designare being a rev 1 board), to fix this update your chipsets from the gigabyte website.
Hi@@SuitYourself , Very good point! Motherboard Chipset Drivers are most crucial for Thunderbolt 3 Success as well! The SPDIF, We have not been able to test yet! Thanks for Sharing!
Hi@@SuitYourself, Thanks for Sharing that info. Glad We could help! Success! Rev 2, very interesting. I would not have expected that until a Revision of the Motherboard which means they ran short of Titan Ridge Thunderbolt 3 AICs. Thanks for Sharing! Details matter!
@@BuildOrBuy Nor was I expecting, and then I ran into issues trying to update it as one would expect being a different rev. Figured I'd just try the r2 and boom, instant success.
My Aurus X570 Elite Wi-Fi Support this on its Second Card Slot, I want one..
Hi Ultra Mega,
Welcome! Was responding to Your 1st Comment when it disappeared. Are You asking about the Dual M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Adapter? Requires X8 Slot, electrically. Does Your Bios support Bifurcation of X4+X4 on that Slot?
I have a {Aurus X570 Elite Wi-Fi} MB, I did Not think the Second Slot would Support these Adapter's, I went and Watched a Extensive one on my Board, and See My Second Slot can Do it, but it Shares the Slot, I just have to Figure out which one for my MB for Dual M.2NMe PDIE SSD Adapting. Any Suggestions? my MB is Rev 1.0
Hi@@ultramega8792,
Ok. Explanation 1st! This is why We're doing Motherboard Overviews to Explain Slots and Storage for PCIe Resource allocations.
Your Motherboard Gigabyte Aorus X570 Elite Wi-Fi
www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/X570-AORUS-ELITE-WIFI-rev-1x/sp#sp
You have the Following Resources:
Slots:
1 - X16 to CPU
1 - X4 through Chipset
2 - X1 through Chipset
In Your Motherboard PDF Manual, see:
PCIeX16 Bifurcation
Allows you to determine how the bandwidth of the PCIEX16 slot is divided. Options: Auto, PCIE 2x8, PCIE 1x8/2x4, PCIE 4x4. (Default: Auto)
To install a Dual M.2 NVMe PCIe Dual Adapter requires X4+X4. And that's ONLY on the X16 Slot. Your other X16 Slot is X16, mechanically but NOT electrically!
To reiterate, You Need X8, Bifurcated to X4+X4 and You don't have those PCIe Resources. Furthermore that 2nd Slot is through the Chipset. Only PCIe CPU Lanes can be Bifurcated but not Chipset PCIe Lanes.
Your next option would be a Self Bifurcated AIC from Amfeltec. That will allow a X4 Slot to accommodate 2 M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Drives since there's an on-board PLX Chip doing the Lane Switching. See: Amfeltec M.2 Carrier Boards.
www.amfeltec.com/pci-express-carrier-boards-for-m-2-ssd-modules/
Amfeltec is in Canada. They make great Products. Pricey too! Hope that helps!
I wonder what this would be like nowadays
New subscriber here.
Hi SevenDeMagnus,
Outstanding! I'm honored! Working on the Summation of M.2 NVMe Heatsink Tests. And We have more M.2 Dual and Quad Adapters to evaluate! Stay tuned!
@@BuildOrBuy You're welcome. Can't wait for the results.
Check MacRumors, too search "A list of successful iMac 27" (2012-2019) SSD upgrades" page 29.