Sabrent 4x NVME to PCIE Add in Card Review
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- Опубліковано 25 лип 2023
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Thank you for that PCI-E X16 X8 X4 warning. Very informative.
How have you not got more subscribers, you've been on here forever and your content is decent.
Its his accent for sure, because he is one of the best in his field in his analysis,, Tom has the biggest drive ive ever seen, at least 3 yottabytes
@@ssabykoops his accent? he's just got a basic english accent, and there's plenty of channels with large followings that have thick non-english accents.
Had the same thought yesterday when I was looking through some old vids.
It amazes me to..
This channel is nostalgic to me.
I believe it’s because he’s been in his own lane doing things like he wants to.
Never seen him as a chill doing sponsored reviews for money. With that having his own opinions and thoughts on many products.
Cheers
Lack of simple "this vs that" comparisons with bar graphs..... people love bar graphs.
The way OC3D shows gpu reviews makes the chart a mess and hard to read.
Motherboard reviews are rare and cover allot of largely irrelevant data like shoing how 5x B650 boards do in gaming despite motherboards haven't made a real difference in 15 years hence the results are
It’s such a niche area tbh.
Haha I was literally just putting one in my cart to test out, thanks Tom!
If you want to see some truly amazing performance with that you should look at ZFS Tom. Spin up a VM of TrueNas and offline the drives in windows then pass them through to the VM, give the VM all the memory that you can, setup those drive in a ZFS raid and share the drives back to windows with ISCSI. Connect to the drives with ISCSI initiator from windows and then format the drives. You'll be reading at RAM speeds.
Broooo!!! I've been looking for this type of video. The expansion card is so new, literally less than a month. Hahaha. Thanks!
Mate, thanks! I have just been thinking about looking into these, cheers
Tom, hope you are doing well. It’s been long since i visited your channel, it’s really good to see you going strong.
Just wanted to bring this to your attention, in this video i see you have 17k views yet 300k plus likes.
Something might be wrong with your account, you should reach out to youtube.
I think you should be getting more views than it’s currently showing.
Keep well mate!
great video an d unfortunately i do not have the time to investigate myself. But as you said with the ability to assign the specs of bandwith to the drives, would it be practical to asssign each to say, an audio, a video and a photo drive and have the last as another, even giving up the bandwith of a secondary slot so long as the gpu slot runs full speed?
Nice one tom , thanks for the heads up
Great video Tom, thanks for the heads up on the PCI-E lane speed. 👍
How does this card compare with the Dimm raid cards, speed & throughput wise.?
Ive not tested any of those?
How is this different or better than the ASUS Hyper M.2 x16 Gen 4 Card that is only $70? I mean, based off what I read from the review and this video, it is the same for 30 dollars more.
Hey Tiny Tom, I've been researching these cards. I have a quick question. Without using any other PCIE slots, does the x16 slot have to support 4x4 bifurcation? Or does this card do some magic to sort this? I want to get one for the latest Intel release, but all the motherboards (Z790) I find only have 8x2 bifurcation.
That's my question as well.
Nice Rev review, basically a very expensive M.2 to PCIe adapter !
Did you stick a Gen 5 NVME in just to see if it works ?
I did not. None to hand here currently
Love the ASOT Shirt!
I built a new machine in mid-July having bought most of the parts from Amazon during the Prime Day sale. I bought 2 gen 4 SSD's, a 1TB for the OS, and a 4TB for my data. The 4TB drive was $179.99 US dollars which I found to be a HELL of a bargain considering past prices of SSD's. With this thing I could put 16TB in a computer for under $900 with shipping and handling. NOT that I would need that. But during the next Prime Day sale I could probably get the same or a comparable drive for even less, along with the 4X add-in card even cheaper than you say it is here. Prices drop all the time, so this stuff is getting more attractive, if one needs it. I personally don't, but it's nice to know what's out there.
Check your motherboard bios for PCIe bifurcation x4x4x4x4. If the option is not present, check for newer bios revisions, it might be added in them.
I think only certain motherboards also support this feature?? everyone should make sure to research motherboard if they want to go this route
@@FakeName39 AM4/AM5 do have it working in main x16 slot. If you are on intel, you are kinda out of luck. It works only 8/8 and only 2 drives will show up.
I'm tempted to get a cheaper one of the 4x4 pcie nvme adapters, even though i only have 4 lanes in my second x16 slot, its the only way to store the m.2 vertically. meaning i can strap on a Thermalright HR-09 2280 PRO SSD heatsink. because it's airflow layout is across the nvme insdtead of length ways.
for about $300-400 you can get a highpoint nvme raid card. They even have one that is bootable. I used it for a while. 13GB/s with very little cpu use. Vs a software raid that is gonna use a lot of the cpu.
Nice one Gov!
?AMD EPYC/Threadripper current gen give you pretty much the max lanes, also what about board that support bifurcation for that card, I know there are other more expensive cards that support on board lane combine and bifurcation.
99$ seems quite steep for a passive adapter card with a air cooler. Would have liked to see a pcie switch based card but then it would have been many times as much. especially with modern platforms and motherboards with only maybe 20 pcie lanes.
Much cheaper versions on EBay, however I have 6 gaming and work PCs and none can run the 16x on the mobo 2nd PCIE without crippling some lanes to something else, I really do miss X299.
Maybe I missed it, but I don't recall Bifurcation being mentioned as a requirement, which is required for more than one drive.
Deffo mentioned it :)
my asus z790 has got 2 full 16 slots but will drop my saphire nitro 7900 xtx
down to 8 lanes , have got 23 GB in my box so not too short on storage .....
This is nice for those people rockin threadrippers and xeons and have the pcie lanes to use this device.
tbh I would just use U2 drives with those platforms. Get x16 U2 adapter card with 4 ports and 4 drives, far better performance. Only problem is idle power on U2 drives, which is not great.
Gaming drive has been a WD_BLACK AN1500 4TB, might as well use the extra x16 slot if you have it , was on sale for just over £300, no brainer, has replaced my Crucial MX500 SSDs, case is alot cleaner 🥠🍨
I kick myself for not getting the Crucial P3 Plus last month when they had a sale and it was $160(US) for the 4tb. It may not be the 7.2k read/writer that my 1TB WB Black 870 is but Ihave already used most of its capacity :(
@@TdrSldthey’ll be on sale again. 🙌🏻
My understanding was that "Bifurcation" needed to be selected in the system BIOS/UEFI? Thank you, Tom...🇺🇸 👍☕
Yes its bios - some have an OS way to do the same thing though.
How to create raid 0 in this card 4 xm.2
For crasy boot
I was looking at this last night and I might have to use the 4x4 bifurcation for the Asus Crosshair Hero VIII just to use two more nvme drives
Yes, you will, and any cheap ebay adaptor will do exactly the same for a fraction of the cost.
@@thingi I'm mainly using my machine for game development and video editing and think two drives in this expansion card should be more than enough. Need to find a way to use the full pci-e x16. I will already have two m.2 drives on the motherboard, and both are gen 4.
The other unfortunate thing is putting the GPU on the second PCI slot, and settle for x8 performance
@@KRGraphicsCG Unfortunately there's no way for you to use a full x16 with a gfx card too. You board has one x16 or two 8's + a 4 off the chipset, don't ever use that slot it'll slow your on-board peripherals (LAN, Sata, USB etc). All current Ryzen and intel desktop CPU's suffer from a lack of PCIe lanes from the chip. That's why I'm still on x99/5930k@4.7Ghz all core... It has 40 lanes of PCIe direct from the CPU :D
@@thingi I'm glad for this information. A little too late to change my components. According to the manual, I have 3 PCIx16 slots but i think a new motherboard would be suitable
@@KRGraphicsCG a new motherboard with a pcie switch would solve the pcie lanes but unfortunately not the bandwidth. Your mobo is fine, even if you put a X16 card in 2nd slot but populate just the first two nvme slots is your best option or get a two nvme slot card for even cheaper. You really need a Xeon or Threadripper for this kind of card, your on desktop not HEDT.
Hiya bro, just visiting you been a while.
Put thermal pads on each nvme! And thick enough for it to touch the plate.
He's RIGHT about checking the mobo manual and NOT skimming thru it!!!
Hi Tom..
But where is the comparison to ASUS Hyper M.2 X16?
This is a focus on the product I have here, Id need to work with the Asus one to be able to accurately compare the two.
So the off-brand/no-brand versions of this are quite a lot cheaper - is there something this does that justifies the $99 pricetag?
Nope, basically Sabrent shilling going on here imho :(
@@thingi Sabrent used to be my go-to a few years ago but it seems like they've gotten expensive compared to the competition. I guess a company that manufactures it's own flash and controllers is going to be able to compete better than one that has to source it from elsewhere.
$99 is nothing compared to 4 NVMes and a board that has the necessary lanes.
@thingi --- When whining about shilling, Ive given you all the details to make your own mind about about both the sabrent and if the cheaper ones will work for you too. Im not going to tell you to buy a cheaper product without testing it first. Thats like test driving a ferrari and saying go buy that corvette without driving it first.....
I went out of my way to show you how niche both this and any other AIC requiring 16x lanes might be if you stand back and think about it without your keyboard sword.
@@OC3D You stated 'so the fact it is only 100 pounds' as a good thing in the video. That is extremely bad buying advice Tom, nowhere did you mention that virtually identical devices are available for less than a quarter of the price from other manufacturers.
NVME adapters are only practical on Threadripper, and Xeon systems, home systems do not have the PCI lanes to make use of these adapters. The motherboards also need to support bifurcation, which is also mostly not available on gamer systems, only workstations and servers.
I have a dual 40 core Xeon system, the performance is remarkable.
Brabo!
I think my MB already can take 4 or 5 nvme's
Just realize, didn't even mention that this will run on a Threadripper PRO system.
Can you use this PCI Add in for TrueNAS? Would it be able to pick up and RAID it?
YMMV, but I did that last thing a while ago and 2x2TB worked out a lot cheaper than 1x4TB. Wise advice alll the same. It seems a mite short-sighted now to have ditched two full-fat sockets 'cos Mobo/GPU makers lost interest in SLI/Crossfire. There was always going to be tech that would leverage the speed/bandwidth in the immediate future. Pretty dumb finding yourselves having to reinvent the wheel.... AGAIN!
Id imagine they did it to save materials. If the demad is there they can make atx boards with more full slots again.
This would work well with AMD's latest APU Ryzen 5 8600G leaving the X16 free.
Hi Tom, I can't post on the forum as I don't have permission. Forum user is Excalibur 👍
dont have permission? I only thought there was one excalibur on there and he has already posted in the comments
@OC3D no mate I only joined the other day. Thats Excalibur50.
16x lane is adeal breaker for me; I might as well just get a U.2. or regular PCIE SSD from intel instead
Nvme raid? Nice
in nas too, like Asustor FS6706T
X670E is the only board that I can think of off hand that support Lane Bifurification
Allot of boards support it, I think my B450i gaming AC and various gigabyte B550's and likely dozens of others.
AM4/AM5 boards should not have problem going 4/4/4/4, but you lose GPU.
@@Monsicek Depending on how the motherboard partner has configured it AM5 might have 8 lanes left.
AM5=16+8 (+4 chipset)
So you *should* be able to run an x16 NVME adaptor in top slot then a rtx4060TI or whatever in the second slot.
But board makers might have borked the designs limiting us to M.2 only.
@@tomstech4390 config is 16 for GPU, 2x4 lanes for M2 slots, 4 for chipset (daisy chain 4->4 on x670). I dont think they are allowed to use those 2x4 lanes for M2s for anything else but M2, because segmentation prices matter.
@@Monsicek Hopefully they come round and give us customers the choice.
Can plug an M.2 into a PCIE slot, Can't plug a PCIE card into an M.2 [shrug]
The water cooling is ghetto fabulous... lol.
would you like if a company that sold you a product to then manipulate that product to advertise their stuff on it ? well that is what nzxt did with my kraken .
👋👍
This card is only suitable for HEDT/Workstations (Threadripper/Xeon) that support PCIe Bifurcation
It can work on AM4/AM5, but you are limited to iGPU or suffering with GPU in x4 slot from chipset (not great). Be careful with 2000-3000 series APUs on AM4, they had only 8 lanes for GPU.
@@Monsicek while you COULD use it on AM5 boards thanks to zen4 having iGPU you'd have to make sure your bios supports pcie bifurcation and while some boards do have it not all do. Without PCI bifurcation you will only see a single Drive. This is why this product is suited and really only recommended for HEDT/Workstation usage as these platforms have more pcie lanes and you will usually find that PCIe bifurcation is standard here.
Fine on my i9 X299, which has 16 lanes x2, 16 wired as 8 lanes x1, and a couple of x1 tiddlers that you can't reach anyway if the others are populated - and why not, with a 44 lane CPU?
There is no need for bifurcation, as it has plenty of lanes available right from the CPU. I have 8 lanes for the Nvmes on the MB, 16 for the GPU, 16 for the quad Nvme adapter That is 40 lanes spoken for, so I can use the other four for BIOS tweaks which improve the speed of other things, allow me to use the SATA 6 and 7 ports, should I find a way to fill 0 to 7, and other fun stuff
@@phillee2814 without bifurcation it will not work with all four drives it will only see one. The bifurcation is required in order to tell the system to split one of the 16 lanes into 4 x4 lanes. Without it your screwed
pisspoor attempt on explanation, it is not only about wiring - forgot to mention the BIFURCATION - not only the mobo has to have a 16x slut, the bios has to support the modes of bifurcation to 4x4x4x4x and that on the specific pcie 16x slut you intend to use for that expansion card, common mobos if they have at all two pcie 16x only support /if at all/ only one, if you use a beefy video card, you might be forced to move it down /physical space problem in case/ to occupy the primary pcie 16x slot that as only one is capable of bifurcation.... also no mentioning on raid support on intel /limited to proprietary VROC/ vs amd /no limitation like at intel/, also no mentioning the approximate cost of storage vs card at time of filming for viability, also such cards are available for a while from other manufacturers /asus hyper m.2 with pcie 3.0 and newer ver pcie 4.0 as well for 40-50 euro without bifurcation/, also no mentioning why not rather purchase a m.2 to u.2 adapter or pcie 4x to u.2 add in card /chances are you would have a unoccupied 4x or 8x slut on the mobo/ and buying enterprise grade u.2 drive in there /available currently april 24 in up to 61,44 TB, a 7,68TB costs some 700 euro, 15TB some 1200-1300 and 30TB around 2600-2800/
In other words its a waste of money for most people unless they're relying on an APU.
It is cute that you think i got PCI-E lanes or PCI-E ports for add in cards like this on my new budget 350€ ASUS AM5 Motherboard.
But it's OK it already came with 4 or 5 NVME ports (Gen4 + 5)... for my 1 Gen3 NVME drive. So i guess i can still buy NVME drives like a mad man for my Steam library.
//edit: well OK Logan went pretty good in depth here on the lanes problematic, i'll allow it.
Argh! Don't call "slots" "lanes" on a video where you're discussing how many lanes are in each slot. Paraphrasing, you said this lane only has 8 lanes going to it.
what is memory bearification??? 😂😂
Kind of a dumb disclaimer on the 16x. Of course you should check compatibility with your hardware before you buy something. People with a specific cpu socket and no intention to change motherboard dont look for cpus they cant use. The same priciple applies here.
Tell me you pretend to be an expert without telling me you pretend to be an expert. Only ppl who read things from programs themselves like diskmark saying "Striped" are the ppl who don't know what they're talking about. It's called raid 0 and clearly you've got something wrong there. As those speeds should be way higher. You either don't use enough lanes, cores/threads or the card itself bottlenecks transfers. Although, first 2 options are more likely. 9r you're using pcie3 which limits the speeds to around half. Didn't watch whole video there might me an explanation there why it's performing with 50% speed. It should be 25 gig minimum.
Tiny... More like a Huge. Just because it's from Sabrent it's FIVE time the price of a reasonable nvme to pcie x16 ebay card, your assertion that's it's reasonable is a dirty great big lie. For shame for selling out.
You mean the PCI-e 3.0 rather than 4.0 cards with no cooling and no brand reputation to uphold so build quality is a dice-roll?
I can't see any x4 Nvme PCIe cards on Ebay.
@@Safetytrousers Your bayfu is very weak then.
@@ChrispyNut There's is ZERO logic on the board, They are PCIe 3 or 4 due to whatever slot you put them in. That's why they are 20 quid-ish. PCIe5, now that might be an issue, you'd maybe need a pcie re-timer on the board increasing it's cost but still wouldn't justify it's price tag. As for cooling, that fan will be tiny and annoyingly high pitched. Far better to use nvme heatsinks and put it next to a bottom 120mm case fan. Job done for 20 quid + Drives.
@@thingi 20 quid plus drives AND heatsinks and fan.
It's amazing that you concede the need for cooling but then, yet again, omit the cost of which.
This should not be marketed to anyone that have a regular desktop PC. This is for HEDT PCs that have 88 lanes like threadripper. A lot of people are gonna see this and get themselves in trouble and very hurt for getting their hopes up. Your so called regular cpus are worthless, they have next to no lanes, 21 lanes are laughable. All that money and yet no resources. Regular desktop CPU are good for only one thing, SPEED. You want to use nvme cards, gotta step up to the HEDT platform.
It's not for gamers that want their x16 slot for a GPU, but it's still useful for anyone that is prepared to use integrated graphics or run a basic GPU on an x4 slot (either by notching the slot tail or getting a x4 to x16 riser).
But you're right that this product will have a lot of disappointed buyers with desktop CPUs that aren't aware that a total of 24 lanes is typical.
Dear OC3D fans
Could someone tell me what controversy Tom was involved in ? This channel used to do Numbers..