How to REALLY fly a Lazy Eight - Commercial Pilot Maneuver
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2024
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In this video, I answer the request to expand on the flight maneuver called the Lazy 8. This maneuver is not required by the Private Pilot certificate but it is on the Commercial Pilot ACS. However, I use this maneuver regularly during pilot training to make sure that pilots understand how the airplane will over the bank during a slowing turn. There is no other maneuver that demonstrates how this works. Fly Your Best!
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*Special Thanks to Michael Bizar for providing the music. All of the music in this video is composed and performed by Michael.
*Special Thanks to JP for the awesome B Roll footage of the Cessna.
Passed my commercial checkride today and wanted to thank you for posting this video. I did a lazy eight and this video was huge in my mastery of this maneuver
What you up to now?
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I commented when I first saw this video then I practiced it with precision on the first try. I showed my CFI and he was very impressed. He said it's not fair that you can do this so easily and everyone else struggles with it including him. He tried it and loved the technique. 2 Thumbs up again.
Outstanding video! I just passed my commercial in June and I wish I had been taught it that way. So much more sense!
Congrats! Never too late to go have fun and check out how it works. It's really the only maneuver that teaches over banking in a slowing turn and that's an important concept to know well.
This is a priceless demonstration that takes all the mystery out of the Lazy-8 ------- thanks SO MUCH for sharing this!! I'm going to get in my airplane this weekend and try it out!
I have never seen it taught that way. Outstanding!!
I totally agree, I’m just a signed off from taking my check ride and this maneuver is still eating my lunch.
Ric P Exactly. My checkride is next week. This maneuver seems the most difficult, in addition to chandelles, although they are a bit easier. My instructor did not teach it this way, although she did say to be veeeerrrry laaaaazy, sooooo laaaazy, 😆 with the maneuver! I’m really glad to have found this video and the one on chandelles. For some reason I don’t seem to have much of a problem with eight-on-pylons.
I have a commercial license and was never able to do good lazy eights. I'm glad the DPE didn't asked me to do one in my checkride. Anyway I went out and tried this method and it just works! Outstanding
I am going through my CPL training, struggling in the maneuvers. This is definitely the best training video ever seen. Can you demo some other CPL maneuvers as well. Bet that will help a lot of struggling students. Thank you!
Currently working on my commercial and I have been struggling with my Lazy Eights. I learned that I might be over-controlling the plane and releasing a little too late. I'm going to apply what I learned on tomorrows flight! Wish me luck!
how'd you go?
Thank you for the video, I learned more from you in 10 minutes than in a few hours with 2 different instructors, now this makes total sense!!
israel Luor 🙏🏻
5:15 is where the maneuver is :)
Excellent! Chandelles next please!!
YES!! PLEASE!!
Yes!
It's funny, I just did Chandelles last week with a private pilot ... it's in a C172 (fixed gear) but still ... let me review the footage, I might be able to put that together quickly.
I am struggling with lazy eights. This makes sense to me and I need to go after it this way. Thanks, great way of explaining things!
That's perfect instructions!! I'm a CFI in Brazil, and also own an UA-cam channel about flying lessons, and will use some of your information and beautiful way to teach with my students. Thanks a lot
Just showed a struggling student this and they performed it perfectly first try!
I’m working on my commercial single, and I like the feel of doing it this way. I still had to add more bank input in the LSA I’m in, but this worked so beautifully. I was taught pitch-pitch-bank as my first introduction to this maneuver, and that made no sense to my brain. As I said, this worked great!
Why didn’t I see this video first!? I am struggling with this maneuver I’ve been flying for a long time I am just over controlling, tomorrow morning I’m running out to the airport will pull out my Cherokee 180 and do exactly this way. Thank you so much
I am working on my commercial. I have been practicing Lazy 8’s and have been struggling with them. I will try this method on Monday!
Jason! These instructional videos of yours are really awesome! Your knowledge is second to none, the explanations are clear and concise and you package it all up into a great little short video with clear audio to boot! Nicely done! (BTW I've got almost 15,000 hrs flight experience and your videos keep me interested to the end!) Thanks!
That was excellent, never seen it explained this way. Makes so much sense now and that explains why I have been struggling with having too much bank at the 90 degree point.
Hey Jason, thought I'd share a quick update. I went for my CFI initial checkride last week and guess what maneuver I had to teach on the white board for Area 4... That's right, the lazy 8. It's really funny because this maneuver was the one I had the most trouble with during my Commercial training. Now and thanks to this video, it is the one I enjoy flying the most and I think it will be a lot of fun to teach as well. The DPE was pretty impressed by my performance. He mentioned that the #1 issue he sees over and over with pilots and CFIs is too much bank at the 90 degree point, i.e. over-controlling the airplane. That didn't surprise me one bit since I had that problem too initially. Anyways, just wanted to thank you once again for sharing this video. This is such an elegant maneuver when flown properly. Oh, and I passed on the first attempt :-) Looking forward to teaching.
First lazy 8 maneuvers today, it went alright but I was very focused on my instrument readings (15 bank at 45, 30 at 90, etc). Now I've seen this video and I'll try again tomorrow. Let's see how it goes!
Thanks so much for this! I just went up and nailed this maneuver on my second try! It was so satisfying I was literally laughing with delight as I leveled off. Thanks!!
Totally understandable huh
Love it. This is what I am A Patreon supporter for Jason! Great tips that I’m gonna go out and put to use. Question: I’m flying a Cherokee 235. Would I expect the same control input dynamics in my low wing?
Thanks for a great post.
Sean
Yes Sean, the same applies to the low with aircraft. Let us know how it goes!
Wish I could've seen this before my CFI ride back in June! Very excellent.
Very well explained. Good stuff. I'll have to give this a try when I start working on my commercial. I'd love to see how you teach the other commercial maneuvers too.
There may be a Chandelle video close behind
Man, thank u for this! helped me a lot with my controls
Awesome explanation, Jason! I’m currently on the cusp of my commercial checkride and this was incredibly informative. Definitely gonna try this tomorrow in the DA40.
You may be the first instructor I have come across who can explain the Lazy Eight in a way that makes it possible. I'm currently training for my CFI-A certificate and will give your method a try. Stay tuned!
Want flyin' zen? The first time doing 0Gs! By the 3rd time, you're one with the universe.
I always end up about 150-200 ft too high coming out of my second 180 degree turn, anyone have any tips or advice? I have tried keeping the nose down for a little longer, which fixes the altitude issue but ends up making me waaaay too fast.
I wish I had seen this for my commercial... That being said, now i'm doing my CFI and the maneuver FINALLY makes sense!
Same!!
I learned it this way as well also was taught to Imagine as if there is a sharpie on the edge of the spinner and paint the 8 in the sky will help as well visualizing your 45 in the sky as well as the ground
Thank you! Working on Commercial maneuvers now, and this is so helpful. I’ve never seen them taught this way!
Looking forward to your take on chandelles!
Awesome! This is how my old air force CFI (I wasn't in the service, he was) taught me to understand / perform them. It works! Chandelles may be next ...
i havent heard the manuever explained this way before, ill have to try it on my next lesson. Thanks its always been one that i struggled with
This is the absolutely best explanation I’ve ever seen.
I have done the maneuvers several times before but after watching you I feel like I finally understand it and can spot different errors that I usually make. THank you
Excellent video on lazy eights! When do you stop pulling and start timing the release? immediately after the first pull at 5° bank, after the 45° reference point, or at the 90° reference?
Just added a "Common Errors on Lazy Eights" video to Patreon (www.patreon.com/learntfp ). If you are flying this and it's not going as smoothly as you see here, check out that video to make sure you're not making one of the common errors.
So you didn’t mention with your technique when the aircraft slices through the horizon and you have released your back pressure how does the airplane go back to level flight? Do you have to physically roll the aircraft back to level flight at the passing of the 90° point?
Fouled this maneuver up on my CFI check-ride yesterday. I'm going to try this technique this evening.
Thank you for this video, it really helped me get my lazy 8's nice and lazy! However, a question for the pro: My DPE was not happy that I used the smallest amount of aileron when recovering at the end of the maneuver on the correct heading. Is it even realistic to expect a Cessna to somehow roll itself back level, on the correct heading and altitude, with NO aileron input? It's not how I was trained, and no one has ever corrected me for using a little aileron to make my maneuver precise. Thanks for all you do!
This has been my hardest maneuver to learn and I'm taking my commercial check ride in a couple of weeks. Can't wait to try it out. You make it so simple.
Studying for my CFI now and I am upset that nobody every explained this maneuver in this way. I've been needless overcomplicating something so simple.
you definitely put that where the goats can get it! the explanation was the best I've heard so far. getting ready for the checkride.
Is there a certain degree of pitch you should aim for or are you just pulling until the vertical lift quits?
Three minutes in, as he used the two things he was holding for 90 and 45 reference, I thought... This is it. The day he takes off his hat and uses it for 135 reference!
Alas, foiled... 135 was imaginary 🤣
I’m not a pilot (however, I’d like to be one), maybe I missed it, what is the purpose of a Lazy Eight? Why would we decide to use this pattern..to kill time waiting to land?
I have to disagree here. This maneuver is about finesse, meaning nothing drastic. The pitch is way too high and abrupt. I go with no more than 6 degrees pitch in cold WX and 8-10 in warmer WX. Also, If the plane naturally loses vertical lift in a turn, then there is no need to release all that back pressure to "slice" through the horizon. The plane will do it automatically. This way, you are able to control the airspeed on the back side of the maneuver. Just my humble opinion.
Hello! ¿How much pitch do you use after you are set in 5 degree bank? About how much. 😬👍🏻
Awesome, this is what hasn’t felt right with my lazy 8’s, I have been overworking them.
At which speed would you enter the maneuver?
I'm gonna try it in a PA28 today. Thanks!
I never understood why this and most of the other silly maneuvers in the commercial checkride were ever required? I learned them enough to pass the checkride and haven’t thought about them again in the last 16 years. Unless you’re going to be a small plane flight instructor for the rest of your life, don’t get too wrapped up in it. Learn it to get past the checkride and don’t think about it again.
Question: Should I pitch for maneuvering speed first before commencing?
When working on my Commercial ticket, the Lazy 8 was my favorite one. I still like doing them (30 years later) as a relaxing maneuver and one that's actually enjoyable for passengers to experience.
I just tested this technique in my RV7.... works perfectly; felt like I was cheating.
Lazy 8s with my CFI today! Interesting that for students who struggle with this maneuver he teaches it the same way you demonstrate here. Essentially start with slight bank and pull using only rudder to stay coordinated. It’s going to take some practice to nail the airspeed at the bottom\180 but I was fairly successful hitting the altitude bogey to both the left and right. Your video helped me immensely in prep for this. Thanks 🙏
Perfect explanation and description of the maneuver. This helped a lot! Thank you
Perfect, just the way that i need to be taught about this maneuver, I was struggling, no I feel more confident. Great job
Thank you so much, because of this I passed my CFI ride, I can’t never thank you enough!
This is eye-opening. I've been having hard time to demystify the CPL textbook but your explanation is sooooooo easy and simple! THANK YOU!
About how many degrees pitch up/down should you be at the 45 & 135?
i just tried this today, ive never done a better lazy eight in all my 6 years of flight experience.
That's music to my ears Brian, nice work!
Why are they called 8’s, they are two U’s strung together?
Did not it could be done that way. Much better and easier. Thanks! And thanks to JP as well.
Will the 30 degrees of bank come out after you cross the 90 reference point or will I have to put aileron input in
Yes! So educational and helpful now that I'm going through my commercial training. I can't wait to get this maneuver happening with my instructor this weekend. Thanks yet again for a great video. :-)
Let me know how it goes!
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@@heycameraman4411 if you can hear me say position and IDENT, over.
@@TheFinerPoints I think it might be time to call search & rescue given he is 3 years past his ETA.
cant believe its that easy with this technique. Gotta try it. I am all over the place with aileron inputs XD!
Dude! I've got my commercial checkride right after the new year. Gonna try this next time up. Thanks for this awesome explanation! I found it just in time :)
Bryan awesome! Good luck! 🍀👍
That maneuver was never mentioned in my basic training. I really missed out.
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you! Love that you give an easy-to-understand explanation and easy-to-do demonstration! I’m going for my Commercial checkride next week. Great video to cement in my brain
Good luck!
Thanks for this.. and the definitive difference between a lazy eight and a wingover. Always wondered about that.
Hands down, best explanation of this maneuver on the internet. Thank you!!!
Great video man! Starting my commercial rating now and this was great information!
Jason, there's a beauty and simplicity in the way you teach that I absolutely enjoy. I've certainly used many of your tips through videos and podcasts for my PPL. Big thanks for sharing your time and effort. 👍🏼
Thanks for saying so Oni, It really means a lot to hear stuff like that, thx
Is this type of lazy eight also possible in gliders ?
cake_specialist I don’t fly gliders much but it should work on any fixed wing aircraft.
The Finer Points I will try to do it and I will let you know ;)
this video is great!! it easly made lazy 8's from my worst manover to my best
lol..."i have controls" much? readback yo
Best explanation I've ever heard.
Dude! That’s such good info I can’t wait to get back in the plane cuz my commercial check-ride is next Tuesday :)
Try it! 🙌🏻
6:09 Never finished explaining “the only reason to pick the 45 and 135 degree points.” Whats the reason?
😂 To help you time, the maneuver and keep it straight
Man I really appreciated you guys taking the time of sharing some of you knowledge ..this is extremely helpful to me I ve been struggling with this maneuver and this just clear my head on how actually execut it
Great to hear!
I wish I had more "likes" than one - that was fantastic!
Will Ballard haha thanks Will 🙏🏻
Nice insight into the maneuver. Thanks.
I was like 15, 15 then 0, 30 15, -15 then 0, 0. This is gold
Thank you for this great demo of the Lazy 8s. I am HAM FISTEDLY struggling through maneuver and believe I am over controlling the plane. I will try your technique on my next flight and let the plane do the work. Let you know how it goes.
How did it go!?
@@TheFinerPointsanother failed check in or forgot to close a flight plan. Better add another to search & rescue.
*to echo off the comments below...that was the simplest and best explanation I've ever heard. and I'm definitely a visual hands on learner, but your textual/auditory definition of it clicked right away from me!! I'm glad I AM here BEFORE my commercial checkride. Thank you so much!!*
My compliments to you, you're a great instructor. I got my private in 1975 when I was 15 and was fortunate to have a good instructor who had me doing these maneuvers even though they weren't required for a private license. Even did spin training and all of this really helped build my confidence to take my check ride after 35 hours. I have several thousand hours now and still value what he taught me over 40 years ago.
Thank you! It's great to hear that from an experienced pilot
Interesting that you basically just controlled the pitch and rudder(rudder especially to the right) and the amount of bank would take care of itself, I had trouble nailing the airspeed on the finish but if I had remembered that my pitch pressure would have controlled that, that might have worked out better, especially since I think a little a/speed leeway is ok as u finish, it was the one maneuver that gave me trouble but I did OK on the ckride, I loved fwd slips as a side note, lol
Slips are underestimated as a far quicker and more sensitive way of losing altitude , with far more control of the outcome than flaps .Together with lateral displacement they may give a pilot better control in chancey situations . Trouble is , passengers get a bit antsy when the ship is not in coordinated flight !
love your way of explaining, thank you for the great video , will try it today :)
Very good but if u use a model airplane to explain it would be better
Lazy 8 are not taught in Europe. Now I know such thing exists, I'll try it by myself of next time ☺️
Ordinary Matt it’s a great maneuver to teach over- banking tendency in a slowing turn - try it! 🙌
Fantastic points of training. Just want to go out and do these, now.
I fly out of RHV and Calaveras is pretty popular with both arrivals and departures from there. I'm a little surprised this area is being used for flight training. Do you have any tips to keep me from swapping paint with training aircraft over Calaveras? Is there a typical altitude I should avoid when I'm coming through that area?
Also, very informative video. I never knew that's how Lazy 8's were done.
No no no, Jason! You are supposed to do a **lot** of work in the lazy 8's! Only kidding. :D What a great example of doing a little as possible and not getting in the way of the natural aerodynamics of an airplane. I hadn't done a lazy 8 in about 15 years and had to give this a try. My second one was perfect.
So this is my 5th time watching this video probably will watch it a lot more, the more I rewatch the more I see little details that I missed, like the fact you literally don’t do anything, it’s like water flowing and you just guiding it’s direction and the whole 90 degrees, can you use you me heading bug to back up it up or has to be done outside ?
What's the correct RPM to start pulling ?
This is NOT the way to do a lazy eight in accordance to the FAA standard. You should have approximately 15 degrees of bank after 45 degrees of turn and 30 degrees of bank at the 90 degree point. After the 90 degree point the bank angle should start to decrease. He is all over the place in this video, he hits 30 degrees of bank after only 30 degrees of turn (but lies and says it's 90), continues to steepen the bank during the descending portion of the turn when he is supposed to be rolling out. Yet people are impressed? Sure it's easier when you do it wrong.
What are you talking about? This is 100% how you fly a Lazy 8. You accuse me of lying when you can't even see the 90-degree point to start? When I say "maybe a hair more" we're coming through the 90 point at 30-45 degrees of bank. That is why the FAA says "approximately". The last thing they want you to do is try to fly very specific bank angles and fail to "feel" the airplane or anticipate the secondary effects of the controls. That's not the point of the commercial maneuvers at all. I've put so many students through their commercial and heard from so many people that they have passed their check rides with compliments from the examiner using the very technique. I love this maneuver and you have taught it successfully for over 20 years. You should watch the video again. Especially the one to the right and watch the heading indicator, pause the video, see the bank angle and the lack of effort in the control inputs. This is EXACTLY how you fly a Lazy 8.
@@TheFinerPoints I thought I was pretty clear. You reach 30 degrees of bank and the max pitch after less than 20 degrees of turn. Max pitch is not supposed to happen until the 45 degree point at which point your bank should only be about 15 degrees. I can see your heading indicator and magnetic compass. You are doing these way too fast and you are not timing your pitch and bank correctly. Review the maneuver in the Airplane Flying Handbook again. This is not the correct way to do them. As far as your experience, you do not hold a monopoly on that. I too have been doing these for 20 years.
And a 45 degree bank is not approximately a 30 degree bank. Wow.
I so wish a have you to demonstrate that to me in a demo flight
Jason, can you post videos for how to perform the other commercial maneuvers? I know you already have one for the Chandelle. It's beautiful. Can you make videos for eights-on-pylons, steep spirals, and Power-OFF 180 to a runway TD point? Would be awesome to get your breakdown on those. Thanks man!
I'm currently practicing Commercial manuevers and this tutorial was fantastic! Thank you!
Thank you so much, you have explained it very clearly. I just flew some lazy 8s following your advice. Now I understand how they are supposed to work it is so much easier. Yes, very Zen, relaxing. I’m flying a LiteFlite Dragonfly. In a lazy 8 it needs only light pressure from fingertips on the stick. The right hand turn is a little trickier. If I apply enough right rudder to centre the ball it tends to overbank. I need more practice.
Looks like less on g to he controls is the important part here