What are Mozart's Greatest Symphonies?
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- Опубліковано 7 лип 2023
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Nothing like teenage angst to have you write a symphony in a minor key
I'd like to see Mozart's piano sonatas ranked. I think that could be fun.
The greatness of his last three symphonies is uncontroversial, but as a sleeper, I've always liked the 34th. Very underrated.
Yes absolutely
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Just saw your Mozart video. Great video. When discussing Mozart as a child prodigy, I came across Alma Deutscher, who is now 18 yrs old, on UA-cam. She was born in the UK, I think. And They are comparing her to the next “Mozart”. The “ 60 min”CBS program did a segment on her about 10 years. I heard her music and coming from such a young person baffles me. In the interview, she states she gets “in tune” and “ hears Melodies”. I was wondering what your impressions of her are. I do not know the technicalities of music. Maybe you can take a look and make a video, if you have time. Great Videos keep up the good work.
I think it’s quite clear Mozart would have produced some of the most profound symphonies heading into the 19th century. What a shame we’ll never hear the music he kept locked away in his mind, waiting to be realised on paper.
It really would have been even more ground breaking, and him and Beethoven would have contemporaries active careers. I don't think that is much to say that with both of them pushing the boundaries in Vienna, we can imagine that they would reach the limits of tonality like Wagner, and produce whole different things or their late careers. Fun to imagine, for sure. Not forgetting to mention that Haydn would create his most massive works also in that time, for pure artistical intentions as himself mentioned, not needing to make money aymore, and would be around until 1809
Number 39 is head and shoulders above the rest.
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Top notch Al; nice ranking!
Why did he leave out,my favorite , no.34, because of the 2nd movement? I think it is one of the most beautiful movements anyone ever wrote.
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Totally enjoyed and thank you. My favourite has always been the Prague. Then Linz maybe only because the great G minor has been Soooooo overplayed all over the place and adapted into all kinds(some are pretty crappy) But It will be a great fun to rank his piano concertos (the Viennese ones I suppose)
I'd love to do the piano concertos, I think they're just about the greatest set of compositions Mozart produced...
@@enjoyclassicalmusic6006 Yes absolutely those piano concertos are like mini operas he created for himself to play the leading roles :) and we are blessed there are so many "contenders" in this ranking game. I am very keen to know your choices. because I could never decided my favourite one after listening to them for many years. Quite a few of them are just equally great.
I also enjoy his ninth symphony. And the Jupiter Symphony is no doubt my number 1.
O yes! The 'Grumpy Mozart'. There could never be another one. But who knows, one always understands genius from position of ignorance. I specialise in that. Be that as it may, I love your video reflection on music that has moved me as faith has moved mountains. Thank you.
Description: Mozart Symphony No.40 movement 1
Music: Mozart Symphony No.40 movement 4
Before I get to the end of this video, I will put this out there….my favorite Mozart symphony is, and has long been, #38. “The Prague”
40 is definitely my favourite! But I have enjoy some from 35 and up. I haven't gone out to hear that many, but there are some local amateur chamber orchestras that will play one of them every so often.
I always consider the Symphony #40 his masterpiece.
Mozart's best symphony is Jupiter, C major! No doubt!
Have you ever listened to Antonio Casimir Cartellieri's four symphonies (or at least I think there were four)? His works were unfortunately and undeservedly forgotten. I'm not familiar enough with him to say his symphonies are equal to Mozart's, but the excerpts I've heard are utterly amazing, principally the Finale to his 4th and the first movement of his 3rd.
If you're in the market for high quality classical symphonies after this video, but like me aren't the biggest fan of Haydn's symphonic work, then this is a good place to start looking.
Try not to give the first and last movement the highest score challenge (impossible)
I know! I think that's inevitable...most works aim to woo you with the start and wow you with the finish...
Especially with Mozart who is relatively terrible at slow movements. I usually want them to be over more quickly. Beethoven has the far superior slow movements, IMO.
I agree with the #1 ranking for #40. It somehow combines the best of his symphonic and chamber styles; it’s both intimate and epic. It’s also possibly the only minor key symphony of the classical era where all the dramatic gestures feel fully earned and deeply felt, without a trace of Sturm und Drang (which is what the 25th is all about; compared to the 40th it sounds like what it is, a teenage temper tantrum in symphonic form. Of course it’s extraordinary for what it is, and I certainly couldn’t write anything like that, but the 25th is not one of my favorites.) The 40th also feels unified, with all four movements really part of the same journey.
My #2, believe it or not, is the Prague. Not that there’s anything wrong with the Jupiter (my #3), but #38 has a first movement that’s already Beethovinian in scope and depth, right up there with the first movements of the Eroica and the Seventh; a second movement that takes a deceptively simple melody and wrings every last drop of beauty and emotion out of it, which I consider tied with the second movement of the 40th as his greatest symphonic slow movement; and a finale that may not be the monumental achievement of the Jupiter’s finale but provides the necessary apotheosis to the first two movements. The three-movement form of the work suggests that he was still in piano concerto mode; it has the same sense of lyricism as the piano concertos and lacks the self-conscious artifice that finds its way into even his best symphonies.
As I said, #3 is #41; #4 is 39; #5 is 36 (which, if you think about it, was probably actually composed in a single day, since it also needed to be copied and rehearsed and Mozart had other things to do as well); #6 is 35; #7 is 33, a sorely underrated work that has its own take on the four note Jupiter motto at the beginning of the development section of the first movement. This might be cheating, but my vote for the eighth-best symphony is the four-movement version of the Posthorn Serenade that was performed during Mozart’s lifetime and is still played occasionally. #9 is 29, which I like a bit more than you do, and #10 is 34.
I’m afraid that 31 is just too noisy and self-conscious for my taste. The first symphony is certainly impressive - dig that c minor slow movement with the 3-against-4 rhythmic pattern! - but admit it, if you didn’t know it was by an 8-year-old who would grow up to write much better things you wouldn’t care about it. The early symphonies I prefer are #4, which is a more cohesive work, and #16, which makes good use of four horns, and the trio to its minuet is a fascinating experiment in quasi-Renaissance modal writing.
Great video!
The last part of the video could've happened. The only thing to compare is Joseph Haydn saying he stopped doing Operas after Don Giovanni.
My fav is 39 (& oddly, I think the 1st movement of the Linz-- 36 is more enjoyable than the last movement of 36). Lastly, the last movement of 41 is mathematically perfect, but it's just not 'toe-tapping' catchy. I wouldn't want to square dance to it. Even lastlier, the entirety of his 37th is even more mathematically perfect. No musicologist, no matter how stonking smart, could ever show that there's a single note out of place. This perfection would not be rivaled for another century and a half til John Cage came onto the scene.
Can you make one for the mozart piano concerti and sonatas!
I don't agree with taking points off for minuette & trio movements. They ease you back in to the fast tempo of the finale, thus making the whole work sound much more connected. Plus, composers really like to play with them (see Haydn's Minuet al roverso)
Can you do Haydn please?
Also, if you are really masochistic: rank *all* Bach cantatas
Yes, I agree minuette/trio is a useful even necessary part of the classical symphony, and I don't mark them down just because they're minuettes...I just give them on average lower marks because they are less interesting on average than the other movements.
On the cantata's I would love to be able to do that, but only really discovered them relatively late in life, and I still don't know so many!
Molto carino; trovo che il voto per il secondo movimento della sinfonia n 38 sia un 9; per il primo tempo della sinfonia n 40 sia 10 ; per il primo movimento della sinfonia n 41 sia altrettanto un 10. Comunque video davvero ben riuscito. Bravi!
Don't forget that Mozart's 3 final symphonies were at least partly inspired by Haydn's Paris Symphonies. The keys are the same as Haydn used in his first three Paris symphonies. Mozart learned a great deal about symphonic writing from Haydn.
Well I never liked Mozart that much and I especially don't like most of his symphonys... the one I do like a bit do appear in this list though! But I'm sorry, to call the finale of his 41th symphony "the greatest finale ever written" can't stand without a comment of me! Even though I watched your video about it and yes, it is still pretty good, I like other symphonys (esoecially the finales) much more
Something like Mahler, Mendelssohn, Dvořák, Brahms, Tchaikovsky, Rachmaninov, Beethoven, Shostakovich, Bruckner and to forget Sibelius!😅😂
Anyway nice video and I'm already curious for the next one🎉
Mozart in a minor key is always better and more interesting than in major. Take the piano concertos, for instance. Same with them.
Greatly disagree, mature Mozart knew how to use major keys with absolute mastery 🤷🏼
For a video about music, we get to listen so little... It would be nice to hear more.
I'd like to put more music in, but I worry it slows the videos. Please viewers tell me if you want longer clips...
@@enjoyclassicalmusic6006 maybe create a poll with how much seconds people would like to listen to a piece on a video: -5s, +5s, -15s, +15s +20s. I guess it also depends on the type of video, and the piece too.
But I felt at least on this particular video with so many pieces and movements, that every piece sounded kinda the same because of the very short time to listen. Specially since they were all symphonies and all from the same composer. And every time it finished, I wanted to be able to hear a bit more.
Maybe fewer pieces on the list and more time to appreciate and understand them. (In my opinion)
@@jugutierrez Good idea, I'll try it...
8:45. That’s the 4th mvt not the 1st
I heard a music director once say that if Mozart had lived to a ripe old age, he would have used up all the good melodies there could ever be.
Oops, you miswrote "1st movement" instead of "4th movement" in the 40 symphony.
Whenever there's a collection of something, of anything at all, even a priceless string of pearls, there's always some moron who will pipe up, "Oh, which one is the best one?"
If he lived longer, I bet he’d pretty much become rivals to Beethoven and would attempt to outdo him.
Mozart didn't live long enough to develop as a symphonist to the fullest. Symphonies were not the form he devoted all that much time to.
8:44 its not the first movement
you couldve gone a bit more in depth with number 40
Don't talk too much in between musics sir, it kills the vibe
"promo sm"
Mozart’s first is musically irrelevant, otherwise nice video
Not at all. It's a gorgeous symphony. Better than Tchaikovsky 5. It's a favourite of mine. Makes me happier immediately.