I was an Outside Wire an Antenna Maintenance installer in the USAF. Got to travel the world installing and maintaining antennas and towers of all sorts. I'm 60 and don't care for climbing anymore. I've been a ham since 1973. I won't mess with anything much over 60 feet, now.
A Gin Pole is very handy if you don't have a ground crew. I watched a video on YT of guy muscling his tower sections up the tower and raising it above his head to mount. I would never done it that way. With a ground crew the Gin Pole makes erecting the section much easier. I agree with James Searcy's assessment. I always dab never sieze on the leg tops. Makes sliding the next section onto the legs of the lower section easier and much easier when taking down. Never had to use the Tower Jack. If it works for you though, great. My climbing are over, now. - KB8AMZ
37lbs per section, easy to pull up, and sit on the section below. Go up very easy and fast. Done many that way with 25g. drift pin lines the holes, never hammer the bolts thru.
Universal indeed. I have 10/11 meter, VHF, and TV antennas all on one tower. Including junction box, coax, conduit, and grounding. It's full, but it works well!
Never grab with your hands over the bolt holes while pushing section down into place. It shears a piece of your skin off your hand from inside the bolt hole. I learned that the hard way.
buen video, yo tambien tuve ese problema de el acomodo de los orificios para los tornillos de cada tubo de la torre, por esa razón empece a fabricar torres y ese problema ya esta resuelto...
If you use 2 or 3 drift punches to align the holes at the same time (instead of that hand jack) the job will go much easer and much , much faster. Enjoyed the video 73 Leo
As I remember, there were instructions for the dimensions of the tower & guy foundations, as a function of the tower height & soil conditions, and also local building codes might apply to your local municipality.
When you put up or take down a tower, you do not tie on to the very top of the section you are installing or taking down. The section of tower is 10 feet and normally so is your gin pole, so you do not have the ability to take it higher, as what happened on putting up the sections in this video.
I should have said, "Attach the gin pole just below the top of the existing segment, & attach the gin line a few feet above the center of the new segment. That should make it easy (for you or your crew) to lift it higher than necessary (& tie it off if you have no ground crew to hold it there for you), while you swing it around the gin pole, and align it with the existing segment legs.
How do you find info about snow and ice loading, wind tolerance, and equipment loading? Also how tall can you go before you need guy wires for one of those 25G towers?
Too bad you sped up the video when you were using the Gin Pole to bring up the third section of the tower, that's the part I wanted too see. Right now I just climb the tower with the section attached to me and lift it up onto the previous section, very strenuous.
I know, It doesn't help though, the video gets all choppy when you slow it down. The camera is all over the place as well. Too bad, this had more educational potential. Still a good video though, can't complain unless I do it better : )
I have a short 40 foot one with one small antenna on it not guyed. My tall one is a HDBX 85 foot free standing I always feared my kid would get the tractor into the guy wires and pull it all down ! Being in the metal fab biz I have a friend with a large boom truck that has I think a 120 foot reach with the jib folded out makes it a lot easier!
Is this why we are know'n has Hams. Good job the shells ain't dropping close by and you have a priority 1 message to send in a few seconds time. Nice tower. Hope it stays up ok
Hope they never plan on taking that tower down, if you notice, they spray painted the sweg end of the tower legs. If you don't add something like axle grease, the paint will at like a glue, and you will have to just about use dynamite to get the sections apart. Jim WA5WRE
@@larrybean3833 It doesn't take more than a paint brush of anti-seizing compound, and the paint makes a big difference in the corrosion after a few years, especially in the bottom two or three feet of the tower, where the rain & wind splash soil salts up onto the legs. It is also good to ensure that the top of the foundation slopes away from the legs, so water does not pool against the embedded metal.
No gloves or hard hats? I added a loop of wire to the top of my gin pole so when I need to move it up, I hook it to the top of the tower - then slide the mount up and clamp it - then slide the pipe up. de N8DP
That 'gin-pole' consists of 4 parts: a tower clamp. That slides & clamps along a segment-long length of 2" pipe, and is clamped to near the top of the assembled tower. A pulley cap permanently attached to the top of the pipe. And a rope twice as long as the tower, tied thru the pipe into a big loop. The knot is where you attach the segments to be raised.
Gloves guys. Gloves. Hate to see any of yinz get severly hurt putting that section of tower down after aligning it up and dropping it down on the section you've just built before hand.
Put one up 20 years ago 75 feet,no pole and used rope to tie off and lift 10foot sections,lifted each section over my head at top very dangerous.instaled antenna rotor and 5foot pole,2 antennas stacked,when all done rotor froze up had to use smaller pole to get the rotor to turn,never do this again to dangerous without proper tools.
Mark Felty went back the next week and used a much lighter aluminum mast. Also ended up guying it as this tower was installed for satellite communications in order to keep it still.
why not make it on the ground and then pull it up much safer that hanging off the side running cables up down up down then rotator then the beam i would have it tilt over easy
I would never install another tower this way.I have a 50 foot ROHN 25 with a 20 foot mast and three yagis.I am putting up a 2nd tower with a ROHN 25 tilt base and it will be just 30 feet with a 10 foot mast with a Diamond V-2000A on it.The price of the tilt base is well worth the ability to raise and lower the tower.👍🎙
@@jameyevans29 Well my ROHN 25 with all of my antennas came down during the Hurricane a few months ago so I am replacing it with a 52’ Easy Way which has a motor that raises and lowers it and it tilts over.I will be putting up another Mosley TA-53M and it will have the 40 meter rotatable dipole along with another M2 6M5X,Hi-Gain 14 element 2 meter Yagi for 2 meter FM & a Cushcraft 215WB for 2 meter FM.I will hang my 80 meter and 160 meter wires from the top of the tower as well.👍🎙
11:00 That neighbors back yard with the flag by the fire pit he will have a nice view of your new tower and antenna from his back porch how do they like it?
Very informative!! Not exactly choreographed, nor shot trials for the camera. Poorly rigged pompier hook. Could have used a rubber mallet. Should have pried at the weld, not in the middle of the bending cross-member (which changes the leg separation!). Could have applied a simple pipe minder line to use the lever as a hoist for the mast pipe. They could have moved the gin pole up again, and left it in place, for mounting the antenna(s). PS the concrete base is pretty basic too, to tower installation.
blind leading the blind hahhahahha how can i say that... see where his backup belt is.. arund the outside of the tower... so when he falls. his face bounces off the tower on the way down..
Why on Earth would you climb with only one hook/belt and no helmet, gloves, probably no safety glasses and no fall protection harness? You fall... I bet your wife/family would still sue the property owner... Just saying...
Jon Frost I installed towers as a kid. Then doing it for work and getting proper training... There are so many things that can go wrong that the average guy doesn't even know about.... Even if you are being safe. I still do it, but I am thankful for the training I got. Example you can die if your legs go numb....
Something on a rope swings and hits you in the head and you get knocked out, fall, and die of asphyxiation due to being strangled by your ropes/harnesses. Or, you have a hardhat on and don't get knocked out. Alternatively, you develop suspension trauma, faint, fall, and hit your head giving yourself a concussion or worse. Or, you have a hardhat on and don't get a concussion or worse. You don't wear a hardhat because you're worried the sky might fall chicken little.
Travelin Thru a hard hat is for ground crew. If the person on the tower falls off of the tower they will hit the ground before the hard hat does but it may be useful for putting some of their body parts in.
I was an Outside Wire an Antenna Maintenance installer in the USAF. Got to travel the world installing and maintaining antennas and towers of all sorts. I'm 60 and don't care for climbing anymore. I've been a ham since 1973. I won't mess with anything much over 60 feet, now.
where did you buy the gin pole from?
A Gin Pole is very handy if you don't have a ground crew. I watched a video on YT of guy muscling his tower sections up the tower and raising it above his head to mount. I would never done it that way. With a ground crew the Gin Pole makes erecting the section much easier. I agree with James Searcy's assessment. I always dab never sieze on the leg tops. Makes sliding the next section onto the legs of the lower section easier and much easier when taking down. Never had to use the Tower Jack. If it works for you though, great. My climbing are over, now. - KB8AMZ
37lbs per section, easy to pull up, and sit on the section below. Go up very easy and fast. Done many that way with 25g. drift pin lines the holes, never hammer the bolts thru.
These things are extremely universal. Most of my county's warning sirens are mounted on these towers with anti climb at the bottom
Universal indeed. I have 10/11 meter, VHF, and TV antennas all on one tower. Including junction box, coax, conduit, and grounding. It's full, but it works well!
I love these towers to put my tv antennas up on to get better tv reception for my tv sets.
Never grab with your hands over the bolt holes while pushing section down into place. It shears a piece of your skin off your hand from inside the bolt hole. I learned that the hard way.
I was thinking the same thing…. “Don’t put your hand around it!”
buen video, yo tambien tuve ese problema de el acomodo de los orificios para los tornillos de cada tubo de la torre, por esa razón empece a fabricar torres y ese problema ya esta resuelto...
Nice solar panels on the house! Thanks for the video
That was dangerously done
yes it was. never did use his safety harness properly
If you use 2 or 3 drift punches to align the holes at the same time (instead of that hand jack) the job will go much easer and much , much faster. Enjoyed the video 73 Leo
Great video thanks for taking me along.
How did you guys do the foundation for the tower? I want to put one of these up at my house and am curious.
As I remember, there were instructions for the dimensions of the tower & guy foundations, as a function of the tower height & soil conditions, and also local building codes might apply to your local municipality.
When you put up or take down a tower, you do not tie on to the very top of the section you are installing or taking down. The section of tower is 10 feet and normally so is your gin pole, so you do not have the ability to take it higher, as what happened on putting up the sections in this video.
I should have said, "Attach the gin pole just below the top of the existing segment, & attach the gin line a few feet above the center of the new segment. That should make it easy (for you or your crew) to lift it higher than necessary (& tie it off if you have no ground crew to hold it there for you), while you swing it around the gin pole, and align it with the existing segment legs.
How do you find info about snow and ice loading, wind tolerance, and equipment loading? Also how tall can you go before you need guy wires for one of those 25G towers?
Too bad you sped up the video when you were using the Gin Pole to bring up the third section of the tower, that's the part I wanted too see. Right now I just climb the tower with the section attached to me and lift it up onto the previous section, very strenuous.
you can slow the video if you want
I know, It doesn't help though, the video gets all choppy when you slow it down. The camera is all over the place as well. Too bad, this had more educational potential. Still a good video though, can't complain unless I do it better : )
I agree, I came to the comments to say that also, it would've been nice to have seen, made no sense to fast for through that process.
I have a short 40 foot one with one small antenna on it not guyed. My tall one is a HDBX 85 foot free standing I always feared my kid would get the tractor into the guy wires and pull it all down ! Being in the metal fab biz I have a friend with a large boom truck that has I think a 120 foot reach with the jib folded out makes it a lot easier!
Is this why we are know'n has Hams. Good job the shells ain't dropping close by and you have a priority 1 message to send in a few seconds time. Nice tower. Hope it stays up ok
This makes me wonder why I did not put those last 3 sections on my tower.
Putting up a tower is easy. You just keep adding sections until you run out. Then you go buy some more. ;-)
Nathan Kayle good advice
Hope they never plan on taking that tower down, if you notice, they spray painted the sweg end of the tower legs. If you don't add something like axle grease, the paint will at like a glue, and you will have to just about use dynamite to get the sections apart. Jim WA5WRE
James Searcy : Not a problem. That Tower Jack will pop those sections apart in no time. Been there, Done that.
Use anti-seize lube. If you use grease it will soften in hot weather & run down the sections, making a real mess! de WB1ETJ. Lary
@@larrybean3833 It doesn't take more than a paint brush of anti-seizing compound, and the paint makes a big difference in the corrosion after a few years, especially in the bottom two or three feet of the tower, where the rain & wind splash soil salts up onto the legs. It is also good to ensure that the top of the foundation slopes away from the legs, so water does not pool against the embedded metal.
oooooh hell no. I am a big wussy. Seeing your shadow on the ground gave me chills.
I really hope you have a better harness now.
Where did you get the gin pole?
Hi, where can I get the gin pole like that one? and or a blueprint so I can make one?
w9iix.com/ii00008.htm, but there are probably other sources, and they are easy to make.
What are specifications of the pipes. And to what hieght is the tower
would have been nice to see the second section install in slow motion
I agree, not so much slow motion but normal speed. Still a pretty good informative video though, many thanks for your efforts.
a little post production image stabilization wouldn't hurt either.
No gloves or hard hats? I added a loop of wire to the top of my gin pole so when I need to move it up, I hook it to the top of the tower - then slide the mount up and clamp it - then slide the pipe up. de N8DP
What is that Contraption called you are using to lift the tower up as you go
That 'gin-pole' consists of 4 parts: a tower clamp. That slides & clamps along a segment-long length of 2" pipe, and is clamped to near the top of the assembled tower. A pulley cap permanently attached to the top of the pipe. And a rope twice as long as the tower, tied thru the pipe into a big loop. The knot is where you attach the segments to be raised.
Why did you raise the mast pipe before putting any antennas on it?
I'm surprised they did not raise the top segment with the mast already properly installed. Much easier to do that on the ground.
Gloves guys. Gloves. Hate to see any of yinz get severly hurt putting that section of tower down after aligning it up and dropping it down on the section you've just built before hand.
wow...you also have photo voltaic....nice
Put one up 20 years ago 75 feet,no pole and used rope to tie off and lift 10foot sections,lifted each section over my head at top very dangerous.instaled antenna rotor and 5foot pole,2 antennas stacked,when all done rotor froze up had to use smaller pole to get the rotor to turn,never do this again to dangerous without proper tools.
I use to love climbing towers...age has caught up to me.
When was the antenna installation completed? I was wondering because you lifted the mast with nothing attached.
Mark Felty went back the next week and used a much lighter aluminum mast. Also ended up guying it as this tower was installed for satellite communications in order to keep it still.
bro whats the size of the pipe?..and the thickness also
i used to put up rohn 25g and it was no problem. these guys scared me but i guess the emergency room needs patients to keep them in business.......g
why not make it on the ground and then pull it up much safer that hanging off the side running cables up down up down then rotator then the beam i would have it tilt over easy
What was the Overall Height?
I just built 60 feet of 25g by myself. Was tough. Gin pole is heavy
"When you put tha..." what?? Left in such suspense.
Gin pole mean which pipe is it?
I would never install another tower this way.I have a 50 foot ROHN 25 with a 20 foot mast and three yagis.I am putting up a 2nd tower with a ROHN 25 tilt base and it will be just 30 feet with a 10 foot mast with a Diamond V-2000A on it.The price of the tilt base is well worth the ability to raise and lower the tower.👍🎙
Where are you from?
@@jameyevans29 I live in North Florida.
@@jameyevans29 I do like the ease of changing antennas on the tilt tower, but it limits your height, and does not fit everywhere.
@@1OFGODSOWN 👍. Nice setup. I’ve been wanting one of these
@@jameyevans29 Well my ROHN 25 with all of my antennas came down during the Hurricane a few months ago so I am replacing it with a 52’ Easy Way which has a motor that raises and lowers it and it tilts over.I will be putting up another Mosley TA-53M and it will have the 40 meter rotatable dipole along with another M2 6M5X,Hi-Gain 14 element 2 meter Yagi for 2 meter FM & a Cushcraft 215WB for 2 meter FM.I will hang my 80 meter and 160 meter wires from the top of the tower as well.👍🎙
NO GUY wire.?
11:00 That neighbors back yard with the flag by the fire pit he will have a nice view of your new tower and antenna from his back porch how do they like it?
Davis wind sensor needs to go on the tower :-)
I don't was my time anymore with Rohn Towers. Tilt over crank up is the only way to go.
I’ll just buy a Rohn 25g tilt base
what's the point of posting video if you're just going to fast forward through 1/2 of it?
You don’t even joke about dropping things
1:56 very bad idea without glove!
Much easier to call a friend who owns a helicopter and lift the entire thing up at once
You guys need alot more practice 😎
Nice $375 hammer!!😎
Dropping the tower jack off the tower can bend them!!😎
Hello
Guy ever 30 feet for stability and safety
Hey I know that guy!
Hard hats people!
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Robert, I mean this in the nicest possible way. Get fucked.
@@JustinKais Wow... You tell one safety Sally to politely fuck off and his boyfriend turns up to have a go at ya mom. What is the world coming to.
how was he sweating? @8:42
We both know, eh?
im suprised nobody picked up on the language at 8:42
lol i could careless what they said, like i said i was just suprised nobody got their panties in a wad over it
Yea, I'm sure someone will be "offended" by it lol.
Jason Anderson that tower could be used to hang em.
There is always a Liberal idiot just looking to be offended by something.
Robert Heintz liberals suck. despicable breed of people
I'm getting vertigo
Very informative!! Not exactly choreographed, nor shot trials for the camera. Poorly rigged pompier hook. Could have used a rubber mallet. Should have pried at the weld, not in the middle of the bending cross-member (which changes the leg separation!). Could have applied a simple pipe minder line to use the lever as a hoist for the mast pipe.
They could have moved the gin pole up again, and left it in place, for mounting the antenna(s).
PS the concrete base is pretty basic too, to tower installation.
:)
Cluster...
I would've assembled it on the ground and then used a truck to Hoist it up.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
TIL head-mounted video is even more nauseating sped up!
pull up that skirt and just get it done son whats with all that crying hell i'm 60 and i do it all the time
blind leading the blind hahhahahha how can i say that... see where his backup belt is.. arund the outside of the tower... so when he falls. his face bounces off the tower on the way down..
To bad they used a BAD rotor that will not hold up. Hygain rotors are the best.
Tailtwister etc.
Rent a lift
Why on Earth would you climb with only one hook/belt and no helmet, gloves, probably no safety glasses and no fall protection harness? You fall... I bet your wife/family would still sue the property owner... Just saying...
Jon Frost I installed towers as a kid. Then doing it for work and getting proper training... There are so many things that can go wrong that the average guy doesn't even know about.... Even if you are being safe. I still do it, but I am thankful for the training I got. Example you can die if your legs go numb....
And how is a hard hat going to save you ?
Something on a rope swings and hits you in the head and you get knocked out, fall, and die of asphyxiation due to being strangled by your ropes/harnesses. Or, you have a hardhat on and don't get knocked out. Alternatively, you develop suspension trauma, faint, fall, and hit your head giving yourself a concussion or worse. Or, you have a hardhat on and don't get a concussion or worse. You don't wear a hardhat because you're worried the sky might fall chicken little.
might drop something on your own head? lol
Travelin Thru a hard hat is for ground crew. If the person on the tower falls off of the tower they will hit the ground before the hard hat does but it may be useful for putting some of their body parts in.