How Fast does the Demon 170 Actually Go? The TRUTH Directly from Dodge.
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- Опубліковано 2 лют 2024
- I reached out to Dodge to get an official answer as to what the Top Speed of the 2023 Demon 170 really is. Owners have been asking Dodge if it is permissible to run their Demons at the Texas Mile event and Dodge has highly advised against it. I will tell you exactly what Dodge told me about the top speed of the Demon 170 and why so many will be disappointed.
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I feel bad for those that dropped 3 to 8 times MSRP to get this car...smh
the OG demon did 209 with a tire/wheel swap at johnny bohmer proving grounds a few years ago
It was actually 211 mph
2018 Demon a better car
That's more like it!
Chinese demon.... 😆😆😆😆😆 Italian demon is better???
It can do 211 with the ECM from the crate
I love the little sign on their website saying ZERO BS 🤣🤣🤣Dodge is very misleading 😂 racer x your awesome. BTW THIS MEANS THE OG DEMON IS ALOT BETTER
Not better just different purpose built.
Scat packs have a 180 speedo and have a top speed of 175, the 170 has a 220 speed and can go 149 LOL
I'll stick with my Scat Pack 😁 ... mostly because I don't have Demon/Hellcat money ... but I do love my Scat Pack
Me too.
What I got from one Demon -170 owner is the Demon-170 is limited to 149mph not just because of the drag tires but because of the hardened drive shaft. The drive shaft is hardened for drag racing thus making the drive shaft heavy. If you take the car to speeds faster than what it was designed for the drive shaft could come out and that is basically a death sentence at those speeds. Dude said he got this from a Dodge engineer.
How can it be limited to 149, when it’s certified 8.91 @ 151 mph in the 1/4 mile ?
I do not find this engineer's speculation to be the reason that the driveshaft is too hard. Besides, he is telling you it does go over 149.34567 MPH? I dunno! WTF cmon Drive shaft 30 percent stronger for the 22 percent power increase over 2018 Demon.
@@danieljohn4603
The limiter will not cut the cars momentum after it reaches 149mph. The engine will stop pulling but the car is still accelerating as it passes the quarter mile to trap out at 151mph.
@@bartkay1ify
The engineers that designed the car are saying do not take the limiter off because the car is not designed to go over a certain mph for long periods of time. The tires and drivetrain are the reasons why they don't recommend it.
@@markurbancowboy@markurbancowboy Thanks for replying. I am only responding on the driveshaft being "too hard" to exceed 150 or higher for long durations. So, does it sound correct that the driveshaft is too hard to exceed 150 MPH? I think this subscriber. He may have meant the driveshaft was 30 percent stronger. But too hard?
And so the driveshaft is too hard to spin over 150 MPH. It is too strong to turn at 200 MPH. I do not see this as making sense. We cannot balance the stronger driveshaft. Yes, it is rev-limited and does not have speed-rated tires. There may be some misunderstanding of what the engineer said, or he is a little sideways. Bart
This man must have some very good friends at Dodge.
At stellantis 🇪🇺
I’m definitely going to keep my 2018 Demon now as it can reach 211 mph, which is way faster than the new Demon 170. Plus, it looks way better too!
True, my Scat Pack is 25-30 MPH faster than the 170 but I'm sure something would break if I dumped the clutch trying for a 1.66 launch 8
The 170 isn't a top speed car but ungoverned and correct tires minus that parachute hood it shood exceed a demon top speed
@@waltscrossfiresrt6anybody is dumb for paying over 100k just to go 155mph!!!😂😂😂
@@bailey9rNo the fuck it isn’t lol. It’s governed.
@@Dhall123If your Grandma had balls she'd be your Grandpa. The 170 is governed to 150ish and My Scatpack isn't so as stated my Scatpack is 25-30 MPH FASTER than the 170.
BTW the 170 would break if you dynoed it to go as fast. (That's why it's governed in the first place). ;
Blame the lawyers! You know if they put the sticky tires on it, and someone crashed because the 149 mph tires failed, there would be a lawsuit. But it probably can do 200+ if properly equipped and the limiter is removed.
Yep. Just takes a tune and some street tires.
I agree with you. I think they are slightly detuned also. They won't break the 9 second time because you need a roll cage. Pretty sure the lawyers made sure of that. But with that kind of horsepower and the right gearing it would hit 200 plus.
It is that for sure but mainly because of the hardened drive shaft. You can't spin it that fast or something will fail to very bad results.
Hmmm just saw a post that said after 149 mph in the 170 it's likely the trans will blow up and come through the floor.
170 is a beast and phenomenal car. It is unfortunate that Dodge lied about the top speed. Unfortunately that is our society today! And has become somewhat of norm.😕 Thank for clarification Racer X. Your truth and positive attitude keeps me watching
This is pure Drag car , no fussed about Top speed
Super unstable and sketchy at high speeds because it's a 1/4 mile car...
Banned in Florida and other confederate red states.
I never expected the stated max MPH. Interesting... Great video, Racer X!
Fast enough to be dangerous if you don’t respect the power
Same could be said for any car
@@Welcometofacsistube Yeah... But ever car doesn't have 1025hp
Suddenly I fell out of love with the 170.
Reminds me of when guys used to put 4.11s in the rear. Great quarter mile , but not so good on top speed. Gearing is very important in going fast. Bad thing about cars nowadays is they report everything you do. Great looking car, btw.
I was thinking the same thing. Gotta be a higher ratio diff to have a lower top speed.
Sometimes we need to listen to the engineers, because they're trying to help us be safe and they probably understand speed in these machines in a way that we don't. Props to them for speaking to us through you in giving us the 411 on the Devil's Ride!
Another great video, very informative and thank you for true transparency with only facts.
Racer x could you do a video in which you go into detail the rear suspension differences in the d170 vs a redeye or demon. I am curious to see how they upgraded to reduce wheel hop etc.
The car really only needs to do 165 at the most. Because nobody's gonna hit that speed in a quarter mile.
I did 155 or so in a rt, but ofc I was on a highway, this car can hit that no issue, how many people drag their car religiously who buy this
If you can't why would you buy it though? I guess clout but not something that I care about. Paying that much it better perform and I want more than advertised. 149mph is really low for such a top tier performance car.
@@chasewallace1232 because you don’t have to drag it all the time, you can drag it time to time and still drive it, would you prefer to only drag it and never drive it whenever, I like my choice better
Go watch the guy who just reset the world record for the chevy ss😂
@@freekodak3387thats cap i had an rt for 8 years top speed is def about 141 to 143 yall be making up atuff i have the 392 ta now and i havent topped it out yet im thinking 160 ish tho
Another fun video 👍 I have a 707hp Challenger Hellcat and on the street it does better in the 500hp setting, it doesn’t spin as much. I usually just keep it in the 500hp mode.
Get drag radials, so you can enjoy the full power of that beast.
Nexxen drag radials 275/40/20 comes stock on the 1320 and it's awesome for my 1320. Smokes hellcats in the street (because they're still spinning at 4th gear. I think they make 295s too. Should slap it on the cat.
Class action time! Let’s all try to get $50k back!!!
I had my 2013 Shelby GT500 in Germany for 7 years. I think I had it over 200 about 6 to 8 times. There wasn't a need to do that kind of speed all the time. I would average between 110 to 160. There is so much autobahn road work you can't sustain those speeds on long distance driving.
Easy enough to see what the car was built for. If you want it to make high speed runs, you're got to swap out wheels and tires, suspension work, engine, trans tuning among other things. Small fronts and wide rears are not good for high speed stability.
BTW, Dodge just went cheap on the tires for a production car. Good for what they intended but not for potential performance.
I agree with you. It’s much more than just swapping tires
Racer X, please make that new black cap your wearing available in your store. Looks Badazz!!!!
Keep the great content coming 👌
i think its the cars '' theoretical' top speed if geared right. viper was 206mph and there was a 2018 demon that ran at kennedy space centers near 3 mile runway.. it hit 212mph
In addition to HP, top speed is all about aerodynamics and gearing. For example, way back in 1988 the C4 Corvette Sledgehammer ran 255mph, rated at 898hp.
So you’re telling me my charger scat pack has a higher top speed than the demon 170 , wow just wow 😂
Great video RacerX!😁👍
I wonder how fast will my Scat Pack would go?🤔
Great video! Racerx and Also just curious did your IG get hacked?
Yes unfortunately.. I think it’s toast
How quick does it feel in auto mode? What other car could you compare it to as far as acceleration goes when its in auto mode?
No mystery to me, it makes perfect sense. Purpose built drag car that does what it was designed to do. Remember when dodge was blowing up 170's a while back? I suspect a few of those were doing top speed runs. It is one thing for an engine to reliably hold that much power for 8 or 9 seconds, but asking it to do that for a minute or more is something else entirely...
I think they say 149 mph to cover their liability.
Scat is 175 top speed officially lol
just put speed rated tires on it and take it to the Texas Mile, see what it can do.. easy solution
There's a hard limiter
How does the car know what kind of tires are installed?
The drive shaft will break up through the floor boards and kill you.
It probably won’t sustain 215mph for long before it derates, so the engine won’t blow. Some idiots would hold it there till it blows up.
It is a component issue (Tires/Driveshaft) because you can't run things designed hold up to launch @ 0-60 in 1.66 seconds AND push the same components to RPMs it takes to get to 215 MPH
@@bailey9rthe model s plaid it lost too does it in a single gear, motor spins to 20,00RPM and can hit 215mph fairly quickly, the motors are wrapped in carbon fiber to prevent themselves from expanding as regular EV motors can't go above 17kRPM and need multiple gears to maintain a similar level of torque.
Dodge should also know a narrow body red eye is faster top end speed than the wide body red eye...
It is pretty obvious that the Demon 170 is a drag strip car and not a high speed sports car.
Heck I was going across Alligator Alley in my regular Hellcat Challenger and I floored it to pass a semi truck. I was going over 100 MPH in an instant and almost crapped myself 😂. I see no need to do 200 MPH unless you are on a racetrack.
Could you remove the speed limiter in auto mode with a tuner?
There's a video of a guy that bought the Demon 170 for the 215 top speed, and he was mad cause he got rid of his redeye he used for the Texas mile events. Dodge should offer a package to allow you to do this for the one mile events.
😂😂😂
It would need a lower numerical gear ratio, a 3.15 for example for it to see its top speed potential, lighter driveshaft, lighter wheels, some dedicated suspension bits (springs and shocks) for less weight transfer, highest speed rated tires and dedicated aero for more downforce and big brakes at all 4 corners. Id guess 215 mph is possible at that point but still limited by weight and aerodynamics
In Drag Mode, it will hit 160mpg ( From Internet) Because it tracks how far the vehicle travels. At 1700 feet it shuts Drag Mode Off. JMO
Well no roll racing I guess. Weird though, what’s your tach show going through the trap and what’s your redline ?
If you mod it more you will definitely exceed the limiter it would seem.
Good analogy. It's designed to take off fast. The tires won't handle top speeds.
The 2018 Dodge Demon has a top speed of 211 MPH with the crate option. The ECM in the crate needs to be put in to do so.
Thank you X-Man
Tyres and diff gears are the only 2 things stopping it from reaching a higher top speed. Me personally, I live my life a 1/4 mile at a time so I want it stock
Wonder how long before someone will make a tune for it to change things.
So when you do a burnout,is the burnout at 149?
Good Job on this segment buddy.
Well that’s a plus for the 2018 OG Demon owners. Maybe that was an Easter egg for them. Dodge kept there word when they said that the 2018 Demon will be the fastest car they make. So for those wanting to run the Texas mile buy a 2018 and tune the hell out of it 👍
Wasn't the original demon also governed to 168mph? Also would you need to put a full slick on to achieve higher speeds safely?
It was governed to 168 mph, but the limited is removed when the ECU/PCM that comes with the car in the Demon crate gets installed. When the limiter is removed, the car can reach speeds up to 211 mph
I'm just curious, if they are sunsetting all these cars, what does that mean for parts to be covered under warranty? Are crate motors still going to be produced?
Yes parts will still be available for the foreseeable future.. crate engines through direct connection will still be a thing for a quite a while as well. I sincerely appreciate your support my friend 👍
Dodge knows that everyone will unlock the PCM and change the tires to run 215mph. They just dont want to warranty these cars if something goes wrong. They will use the unlocked PCM as an excuse to void warranties and save themselves money.
It's an awesome car and anyone blessed enough to be in that exclusive club of D170 owners should be more than happy with their ride. If not I'm sure they can trade it in on something that suits them better. Great video as always my friend! Love your content. You have a beautiful D170. Enjoy!
The Demon 170 is a dedicated qt mile car
All it takes is renoving the governors and raising the rpm limit. If the gearing is the same as a Red Eye it'll go over 215 mph
But would one want to void their warranty doing that
@@jointhefist1016if you can pay for a demon 170 you can afford the maintenance for it
@@GloomToon Yeah, but what about a blown engine
@@jointhefist1016engine blowing from a regular top speed run not even modified? That shouldn’t happen on a beefed up 1000hp engine. The regular hellcat can already 1000hp easily, no doubt this is a good bit stronger
But there is a reason they limit them
Also, they did delay the launch of the Demon 170 because of engines blowing up. Could be a reason why
I can see the drag race thing. Took my Kawi H2B to baylands in Fremont, CA way back when. However, I've always road raced motorcycles on a club level. I'm somewhat disappointed the 170 wasn't a multi roll vehicle to both participate in both the drag strip and closed course track racing. Although I don't track my 13 SRT8 Core, knowing I hit 153 MPH in a 2 mile stint beats a 170 is really stupid. That's just my opinion. If I had the bucks (and if possible) I'd revamp the thing into a road course car. Just a thought.
Just needs some 200mph capable street tires, and some highway gears and RacerX can see just how fast it will go in a standing mile
I think if they made it so the governor could be switched off, and put into a top speed mode, it would have another selling point! And how popular would that be? I think they would sell more of them, if that option was in there. How much would it add to the price? That's the question. And really, if that engine was engineered for top speed, I really wonder what it would do?
My guess is the top speed is limited to the gearing.
And all it does is raise the rev limiter just a bit in drag mode.
Example : let's say non drag mode the limiter is set to 6400rpms. In drag mode let's say they raise it to 6700rpms.
That extra 300 rpms will get it over 149mph briefly. Because they don't want it to rev that high on a regular basis.
With that, you can throw all the tune at it you want, but won't affect the top end. Best way to do that would be to change the rear end gears. But then it will hurt the drag times..
I wonder what if you just take the ecu or the gov chip out
Really strange that my 18 Demon has a 200 MPH speedometer and the 23 on order has a 220 MPH speedometer, I don't get it!
Dig the new black and red gear
🏆Racer X 🏆 you're the 🍀man😎✌️
Just watch the video about the drive shaft too heavy they don't recommend going past 149 👀✌️
What about the 2018 Dodge Demon? Is it the same story as the 170? There are videos of it hitting 211 mph
For the 2018 Dodge Demon, you need to install the race ECU/PCM to remove the speed limiter, which will then allow the car to reach 211 mph
@@williamhung2 so technically is faster than Demon 170, right?
@@ale_petrea
Yes, it seems like the original Demon has a much higher top speed than the Demon 170. Probably faster by 50 mph!
I would’ve loved to see a new Daytona version optimized for top end speed
A family friend bought one of these monsters. As Deadpool would say, "I should've worn the brown pants!"
Run the Demon 170 at the Texas Mile against a Honda Civic Type R and see if it gets passed. The Honda Civic Type R has a little over 300hp but has a 169mph top speed.
The regular scat pack can already hit 175 stock even 180
I didn't know you could throw a Tampax that fast
My 300s v6 will only go 141 but it feels like I need 60 more mph
Well we are going to soon find out because it's going to be run in the mile in fact a couple of them are doing it with their tires and also the mile and a half too!
Get your car unlocked HP tuners is developing one for the 170s but it has ability to remove top speed change tire sizes and get free hp
Tire growth is why everything IN the car says 149 while everything outside (track speed readers etc.) says 151-152.
It's made to be a drag car 1/4 mile period, not made to see the top speed safely, it's a protection issue.
how many will ever see the 1/4 mile
All that matters is speed in the quarter
Excursion and brief are used redundantly. Makes sense to me though. V rated tires are good for a constant 149, but they should safely handle higher speeds in short bursts. Drag radials really killed the speed from the factory huh? 😂
So your telling me the 2007 my 2007 SRT 8 wich didn't come with a govener an it hit 173 mph
Technically, the Charger has always been faster than the Challenger, which makes the Charger Redeye the fastest mass-produced muscle car. Now the Charger Redeye's flat-out top speed hasn't been measured, but I'm positive it's gonna exceed 203 mph.
Why didn't they give a Crate, with a different ECU and Tires. It seems the Original Demon is a better car with the Crate Option. I think i rather have that. It ran over 200mph at the Texas Mile. And the Crate is Cool...
Did your IG get hacked? Last post seems off.
Yes it got hacked and I'm fully locked out.. Trying to get it recovered but it's not working at the moment
Dang they keep making posts 😅
Say a person wanted to take a Demon 170 to Bonneville. One you would need to get speed rated tires meant to run on the flats. From what I understand they are almost unatainable. Then you'd have to change the rear end gearing if you really wanted to push it past 200. Then remove any limiter or at least adjust it to allow it to run at its maximum potential. Then you'd have to change probably the majority of the suspension system since its factory set up to drag race.
I imagine someone with deep pockets will go for it.
Be neat to see someone chase all the landspeed records Bobby Isaac set with his 1969 Dodge Daytona. Believe some of them are still standing today.
It would only go as fast as the wind resistance would let it with whatever gear or Tire it had unless you increase boost for more horsepower
Looks like our favorite dodge guy needs to find out for us 😁
What about the Super Stock? That is my favorite Challenger.
its same as Redeye
Buy a 2018 Demon, better looking, better handling and faster.
That car doesn't have the aero for maintaining 200 miles an hour.. It's for going up to that and then slowing down. But some of these dealer's are shameless. For that kind of money, like 150K I would pick the GT500 Z06 really.. It's great to have that straight line power but handling has always been just as important to me.. For that kind of money I would want to be able to go on a track and take turns.. It's still amazing and Bad ass though...
What’s the fastest top speed u got in ur Demon
I'm sure they wanted to make it faster, but they didn't because of those issues with blowing up engines they were having, delaying the release
I’m not surprised that Dodge wont unleash the top speed in this car. I absolutely love your car dude. Awesome Awesome…
I thought it was strange when I heard 215mph as my super stock is limited to 167mph due to the drag radials
RacerX,
That explains why you have been questioning your "low" trap speed at the drag strip.
That's unfortunate. I feel it's kind of a scam. Does it need to go over 170? No, BUT it should at least be able to do 165-170, so it's "speed limiter " doesn't hamper its 1/4 mile times.
IMO, it's another scam from Dodge.
So basically it gonna go as fast as the tires will let it
What if you take a redeye and just put a 170 engine in it and do all the right modifications to handle all that power
I think the limiter is maybe why the dyno cut off
Yes correct 👍
Lets go
I never understood why the drag racing community adopted Quick and Fast to mean 2 different things when they are literally synonyms that mean the same thing.
did your instagram get hacked?
Interesting 🧐
So now you know why the car stopped pulling on the dyno at 148mph in 6th gear.
I came to ask the same as a few others. Did your Instagram get hacked? 😢
the 2018 demon is technically faster as well, it did around 215mph without the limiter.
It only means one thing, the car is not for everyone. Hopefully you didn’t buy the wrong one.
Dodge created a problem for themselves. In the 60s these cars were not available to average consumers. The sportsman knew what he was buying. Now anyone with the money and a signed disclaimer can buy them. And complain.
Racer X, this is not a problem for a seasoned sportsman pro like yourself.🏆
Agreed 👍
Mate,that red colour looks great ,150 miles an hour isn't bad sunday driving is it,lol,have fun,Aussie, Aussie, Aussie,take care
So basically on a 3 mile stretch my 6.4 T/A will get ya🤔 SWEET! I'll take it!! LOL
Put a set of red-eye tires on it and go for it and find out.
It will still be limited to 149 in the tune
@@RacerX9tha same was said about the last demon. Limited to 168, but after some time people took it to 200+. Im sure the same with happen with the 170.
@@johncena-hq1ti
The original 2018 Demon had a speed limiter set to 168 mph, but this was removed when the race ECU/PCM was installed. The car could reach a speed of 212 mph when the limiter was removed
Well I’m glad I went the Redeye route because I’d rather be faster than quicker.