Does Leviticus mean homosexuality is an abomination
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- Опубліковано 4 сер 2024
- This video explains why Christians should not consider homosexuality an abomination because of Leviticus. The video first explains the context in which Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13 were written: male temple prostitutes for pagan goddesses and pederasty. It then goes on to how Christians use Leviticus generally.
If you want a more in-depth look at this whole area, Affirmative is a book based on my website, with extra resources and some points covered in more depth. You can get it from all major booksellers here: books2read.com/Affirmative
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Bible and Homosexuality is a channel looking at what the Bible says (and doesn't say) about homosexuality, sexuality and gender. You can find out more at www.bibleandhomosexuality.org
This is so wrong.
Hi Miles, you haven't explained why it's wrong. Which bit of the video is wrong, and why?
@@BibleandHomosexuality
My word is for nothing.
Christ said:
John 5:46-47; Luke 16:31; Matthew 5:18-19.(ESV)
Then Paul warns against lawlessness and specific transgressions of Mosaic law in Romans 1:26-32; and 2Thess chapter 2.
Moses was clear:
Deu 29:29 (Mat 5:18).
Shalom
Hi Miles, thanks for the reply. Your verses refer to various occasions which refer to Moses, here taken as equivalent to the first five books of the Bible (eg Moses and the prophets is probably equivalent to the law and the prophets, a way of referring to scripture). And Jesus fulfilled the law, and gave us a new commandment. It has been the common understanding of most of Christianity from the outset that gentile Christians are not called to follow all the commandments in the Old Testament. Early examples include circumcision (with the acceptance of the gentiles without circumcision being a main feature of many of Paul's letters). Other early examples also include food laws (eg, Mark declaring that Jesus made all foods clean in chapter 7) and also no requirement to keep the Sabbath (which has continued - most traditions do not keep the traditional Sabbath). So it is clear that we are not called to obey all the commands of Leviticus etc. Moses points towards Jesus, but now Christ has come we no longer need the law as a guardian.
@@BibleandHomosexuality When Paul spoke of circumcision of the heart he was quoting Moses.
And, as Christ said, those that teach against the Law are least.
Christ is the judge, not you nor me. But I do not suggest to anyone they teach the law is abolished.
You teach it is no longer a sin to have sex with your family and it is perfectly ok to sacrifice your child.
You are misleading people and using the Word to promote your own belief system.
Hi Miles, but I wish to object to your logic. You accuse me of saying it is OK to sacrifice your child because I do not think that Christians have to obey all the laws of Leviticus. However, I have consistently said that the New Testament teaches the law of love. I do not think it is loving to sacrifice your child, and I'm sure you would agree with me.
If you think we are called to obey all the laws, can I ask whether you think all Christian males need to be circumcised?
Sir you are mislead Revelation 22:19
King James Version
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
Amen
Hi, I haven't taken away any words from the Bible. If you think my interpretation is wrong, please be specific as to how and where.
If we aren’t supposed to follow these laws why does Jesus say I have not come to do away with the old laws? I do believe some of the laws weren’t meant for us now but I don’t believe all the laws were dismissed.
About the apparent contradiction between Eph 2 and Mat 5, when Eph says Christ abolished the Law, the word there is a softer word, Christ annulled the Law, so that it still exists (like the New Testament often quotes it) but is no longer operational. In Mat the word there is much stronger: Christ did not do away with the law as you put it. Christ did not come to bring lawlessness or to get rid of the word of God which he came to fulfil. The Law of Moses is no longer operational as a binding set of rules for God's people. Instead, Christ has given us the new commandment, to love one another as he has loved us.
So why do we look at Moses and see commands that we would find relevant? The reason is that it's based on the same fundamental principles of respect for God and treating each other well. Some things that are wrong today are not wrong *because* they are in the Law of Moses, but it's because they are wrong in the first place that they are both in the Law and are still obeyed today.
There are plenty of things in Moses that are no longer relevant because society has changed or they do not have the same cultural significance (as mentioned in the video). There are some things that we do differently altogether, like having better strategies to deal with bankruptcy (rather than selling yourself as a slave). Then again, there are plenty of things we do today that are not in the Law because they were not appropriate in that culture, like allowing women to vote.
You are twisting the word of God for convenience. As a teacher you will be held accountable for this misleading instruction (James 3:1). Jesus came to uphold (fulfill) the law and not to eliminate it (Matthew 5:17). Gods plan is for men to be with women (Gen 2:24). Jesus confirms this in Matthew 19:4-5. Those who come to your video looking for affirmation of their sinful behavior will only find a life of sinfulness; not life as you describe it. But Jesus will forgive you and all types of sins if you repent (Luke 5:32). Outside of repentance there is no other way to forgiveness from God. Your logic may be the cause for many coming to your video to remain in sin and lose their souls to eternal damnation.
I am guilty of sin and do not say these things lightly or in condemnation but to share God’s gospel for the forgiveness of your sins.
Hi Greg. I don't know why you think I'm doing anything for 'convenience' - I am straight, cis, married with kids. Please don't impugn my motives.
Jesus was not asked about, or replying to, the issue of whether it might ever be possible for two men or women to be in a committed relationship. In Matthew, he is replying to the issue of the permanence of marriage.
I have further information on Genesis in this video: ua-cam.com/video/F4ljKuxHAJ4/v-deo.html
and I have further information on the gospels here: ua-cam.com/video/fa2KvJ7SR4A/v-deo.html
@@BibleandHomosexuality I’m not disputing your motives and I am not implying you are gay. I am stating that your interpretation is incorrect however. I have many friends and family members, not gay but pro gay, who will say anything and everything to justify their position on supporting homosexuality. The Bible states in numerous places that scripture cannot be clearly understood by many because the Holy Spirit is not in those who choose to go their own way outside of God’s teaching. This is why Jesus allowed many to voluntarily walk away from his teaching during his time on earth. He will not force his ways down the throats of mankind. He clearly spoke of God’s intentions of marriage between a man and a woman in Matthew. You believe his lack of his addressing the issue then supports the issue. I say he would clearly have addressed such a controversial issue had he supported it, but he did not. The great commandment of loving your neighbor as yourself is not Jesus giving his endorsement of a perverted lifestyle. Paul confirms this in Corinthians 6:9-10. I’m sure your heart is in the right place, wanting to love everyone, but your logic in scripture is misguided. I am not attacking you but I do want to set the record straight that your words will hurt, more than help, those you are addressing.
Hi Greg, thanks for responding, and clarifying your position about my motives. The question on 'convenience' cuts both ways: I have come across many people who will find any and every argument to say that homosexuality is wrong.
You speak of God's intentions for marriage from Jesus' comments in Matthew. I have a video on the gospels, which includes addressing this passage (you can find it here: ua-cam.com/video/6nSPznp2ToU/v-deo.html ). However, the short response is that Jesus was addressing the issue of the permanence of marriage and divorce, rather than anything to do with homosexuality. You also say that Jesus would clearly have addressed such a controversial issue had he supported it. One might also say that Jesus would clearly have addressed such a controversial issue if he had not supported it. In other words, the argument from silence again cuts both ways. There are many issues that Jesus did not address directly (for example, slavery). Trying to build an argument from the silence of Jesus is building on foundations of sand.
I agree that the great commandment is not an endorsement of a perverted lifestyle. But, of course, this begs the question of what is 'perverted'. You mention 1 Cor. 6:9-10 - I do not believe this addresses the issue of homosexuality as we know it at all (I also have a video on these verses which explains in more detail, but a brief summary is that the target was pederasty: ua-cam.com/video/ZFCKWJ7uk2o/v-deo.html ).
I hope this helps.
@@BibleandHomosexuality I watched your video and I must say there is significant supposition in your video. Your comment about killing homosexuals assumes God would be bad if he wanted homosexuals killed. If he is the creator and he makes a choice, his choice is just no matter what as he is the potter and we are the clay. Who are we to question the creator?
You are right that in the Old Testament God wanted his chosen race of the Jews to be pure. That meant keeping the tribe pure and doing as God commanded. Hard words for hard times. But then came the new covenant with Jesus who said people must repent of their sins. The killing and severe rules would, to a large extent, come to an end but there would still be judgement in the end. New rules and old rules. New rules? Live your life as you choose. Old rules? Judgement will still come so repent now (while you still can) and one must claim Jesus as their sacrificial lamb for cleansing of their sins before eternal judgement. So we may not kill sinners in this life (and that is good because we all get a second chance).
But Jesus the Messiah will eventually judge through eternal condemnation of those who choose their way over God’s way. The good news is Jesus offers himself as a sacrifice to our sins but only if we accept that sacrifice and repent of our ways. But if we continue to sin (and doesn’t matter what the sin) and ignore his grace, he will not know us at the time of eternal judgement. Those who continue to sin and those who teach others to continue in their sin will spend eternity separated from the one who wants to love us eternally. Ultimately it’s our choice and no matter what human logic or reasoning we use in the end he will say… away from me I do not know you.
Hi Greg, thanks for the response. I am not questioning the creator, nor examining how this worked for the people of Israel when they were being formed as a nation. My point was addressed, rather, at us today and how we interpret verses from Leviticus. Are we consistent in how we do this, or for some reason are verses related to homosexuality treated differently from the rest of Leviticus? On what basis are you saying that killing and severe rules come to an end? You give a reason, but it is not based on what Leviticus says.
And if the only thing that has changed from Leviticus is the timing of the judgment, then why are churches not preaching from the rooftops the evils of tattoos, or having intercourse when the female is menstruating? Will people be condemned at the time of eternal judgment for this?
I am asking for some consistency in approach, as picking out just verses to do with homosexuality looks suspiciously like special pleading.
There is a better way to decide how we should live and act, and that is the law of love, taught by Jesus, confirmed by Paul, endorsed by John. So the question we need to be asking is, what is not loving about two people committing to each other for the rest of their lives in mutual fidelity, and what is loving about preventing this companionship?
Please note that your stark warnings about those who teach others to continue in their sin cuts both ways: if it is not loving to prevent this companionship, then those who oppose inclusion are teaching others to continue in sin.
Once again, thanks for engaging.
Hello, Rev. Tallon. I have left a comment before, appreciating your thoughtful and well-researched videos, which you saw, and I’m joyful for the reply. What I comment about in this instance has to do with your claim of the mentioned verses in Leviticus being ceremonial laws, rather than moral (at 03:46). While Leviticus is vastly comprised of Jewish ceremonial laws meant for the purpose of separating ancient Jews from surrounding cultures (as you mentioned), I am still struggling with understanding whether or not Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 are ceremonial or moral laws about sexual immorality. Recently, I participated in a discussion about whether or not all of the laws in Leviticus are ceremonial, moral or a mixture of both, especially those that are sexual in nature (e.g. prohibitions on incest; Leviticus 18:6-17, etc). Leviticus 20:18 (this is the verse about a man not having intercourse with his wife while she is menstruating. A similar verse is Leviticus 18:19) is ceremonial, because-as you also mentioned-it no longer applies to modern Christians following Christ’s fulfilment of the Old Law (Matthew 5:17) with his perfect life and death on the cross. It also does not make sense to most Christians nowadays, and was, again, meant to separate Jews from the surrounding cultures (pagan practices took part in these often). Another law that is seemingly ceremonial but also continues to hold true in our lives today is about child sacrifice, Leviticus 18:21: "You shall not give any of your children to offer them to Molech, and so profane the name of your God: I am the LORD." This verse references Molech [i.e. Moloch], a pagan Canaanite god associated with child sacrifice by fire or war. If Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13 are about pederasty, abuse, or prostitution which were common at the time, it would make sense for them to still be applicable today. However, as your videos state, other verses cover those issues. Your arguments are strong and I commend that, but again, it has come into question for me whether or not Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13 are moral laws pertaining to sexual immorality, or simply ceremonial. Moreover, I guess that I am trying to inquire, "how are you so sure that it is ceremonial?" Perhaps I am not competent enough in my knowledge of the book of Leviticus, but whatever the matter, a careful and intelligent response to this would be wonderful.
Thank you for taking time to read this. I wish to get some answers, and I greatly appreciate this channel.
Hi Verbatiism, thanks for the question. If you check the video, I don't actually use the terms 'ceremonial law' vs 'moral' law. This is, in my opinion, an artificial separation of the law that is alien to the law itself. I am aware that there is a long tradition of separation into moral, ceremonial and civil. But I do not find this particularly helpful.
It is also not the approach that Paul took in his letters - there is no indication that he is dividing up the law into different categories, and that we need to work out which individual commandment fits with each.
Rather, Paul says that the Law has come to an end (eg Rom. 10:4), and Christians should be guided by the Spirit. The only law is that of love.
So we do not need to work through each commandment, trying to work out whether Leviticus 20:18 is ceremonial or moral. Instead, guided by the Spirit, in community, we need to work out what is loving.
Hope this helps.
It also says in 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 that those who practice homosexuality will not enter heaven. So your argument is null and void
Hi, and thanks for your comment. You'll be glad to know that I have a whole video devoted to 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 - you can find it here: ua-cam.com/video/ZFCKWJ7uk2o/v-deo.html
Bible and Homosexuality just saw the video. Let me just tell you something. I don’t want to sound mean, I respect your opinion but I must go all out. Why do you twist God’s words? God said that it’s meant for a man and woman to be together, even in the beginning, it was Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. Your claim is stupid, it’s garbage. God CLEARLY says that the homosexuals and sexually immoral will not enter heaven, that’s all that needs to be said. Why do you consistently give crap of it, twist words, and give false testimony? God even said He doesn’t want false testimony and that’s exactly what you’re doing. I pray that you see that you’re wrong and that you need a good reality check.
Hi, thanks for checking out the video and responding. If you have seen the video on 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, you'll know that the Bible DOESN'T talk here about homosexuals (in part because that concept wasn't used in the ancient world). Whether a same-sex, faithful, monogamous couple are sexually immoral is precisely what we're trying to discern - it's not something that can simply be asserted.
You also mention Adam and Eve, and I also have a video devoted to Genesis 1 & 2, addressing this precise point - I hope you find it helpful: ua-cam.com/video/F4ljKuxHAJ4/v-deo.html
And you're closed-minded and ignorant
@@BibleandHomosexuality God's laws have never changed! Man changes but God never changed his law. You are agreeing to disobey the law. Point out that we live under Grace not law that I can agree with.
seriously ?? lol
the text states it is forbidden and it is an abomination .
Hi Spider, thanks for the comment, but it would be helpful if you'd engage with the content of the video, and respond to the arguments I put forward.
xD
Jesus did not come to abolish the law, but to fullfill it. This doesn't change God's law.
And because Jesus has fulfilled it, we are to stand firm, and not submit again to a yoke of slavery. We are called to freedom. The whole law is summed up in a single commandment, “You shall love your neighbour as yourself."
@@BibleandHomosexuality True, however, this does not mean the believer should relish in sin and continue to be immoral because God forgives. That is abusing God’s gift. Also, We are told Corinthians 6:9-20
Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
Hi, I have a video which addresses this point in detail: ua-cam.com/video/ZFCKWJ7uk2o/v-deo.html
Right off the bat you cant beleive this guy. Both old and new testament talk against homosexuality.
Hi Durandaddy58, thanks for the comment. It would be helpful if you could be specific about where and why you think my arguments are wrong, and why you think your interpretation of the Bible is better. Please do check out all the videos on this channel - they cover many of the verses that are usually brought into this issue.
Homosexuality is condemned in both old and new testament. To say otherwise is dishonest and therefore you are preaching lies. 1 Corinthians 6: 9-11. Sodom and Gomorrah?
My interpretation of the word is irrelevant. The word of God is clear on all types of sins that deemed unrighteous and those who practice such things Will Not inherit the Kingdom of God. Problem is people tend to focus on just Homosexuality when they should spend just as much time preaching on all sin. Picking and choosing what parts of the Bible to accept based on there world views and not on what actually is said in Bible.
Hi, thanks for the comments. If you check out the videos as I suggested, you will find I have videos specifically on 1 Cor. 6:9-11 and also Sodom and Gomorrah. If you check out one of my overview videos, you will also see why this is an issue of interpretation (as the modern concept of homosexuality is not one that the ancient world generally considered). You say that your interpretation is irrelevant, but it is your interpretation that those verses are about modern forms of homosexuality - my interpretation is different, for the reasons given in the videos.
@@BibleandHomosexuality i dont have to watch your videos to know what is or isnt sinful in the bible. Its not a puzzle or a maze. Its straight foward what God says about Homosexuality. Thats like saying murder needs interpretation. You kill someone its murder!
What part of abomination don’t you understand?
Hi Ridgeback, thanks for the question. However, it would be helpful if you could be a bit more specific. In the video I go into the verses in a little bit of detail (including comparisons to other verses in Leviticus). Which particular part of the argument did you disagree with, and why?
Hi Helle, rather than resorting to insults, it would be helpful if you engaged directly with the arguments in the videos.
@@BibleandHomosexuality your clearly just following your own desires. The word is clear
Hi, again this comment is just an insult. You haven't engaged with any of the scriptures or the arguments in the videos. (And for the record I am straight, married & cis-gendered - nothing to do with my desires at all).
Xd all these people are insulting you when they don’t even know anything about god
Am I wrong to think it's appalling that the atrocities listed in Leviticus are in the bible? Please help
Gods law does not change , even JESUS spoke of this ! Jesus was there in the Old Testament as well .
Hi Martin, thanks for the comment. The law is not an end in itself, it was always a means to an end. That is now found in Christ. Christians do not follow the OT law in a multitude of ways (for example, most Christians do not keep the sabbath, which runs from Friday to Saturday evening, even though it is one of the ten commandments).
@@BibleandHomosexuality most Christians don’t follow Jesus and that’s a big problem.
@@BibleandHomosexuality Jesus didn’t come to abolish the law but to fulfill it ! Jesus was there even in the time of the Old Testament. He was right next to God putting the laws down , no we aren’t under the law the blood of Jesus covers us from that because no one is righteous to fulfill the law in the physical we would all be going to Hell if that was the case .
Hi Martin, I'm happy to agree that all Christians should follow Jesus more. I also agree that Jesus came to fulfil the Law. And because he has fulfilled it, we are no longer subject to the Law, as Paul makes clear in Galatians.
@@BibleandHomosexuality not subject but we still obey it , the commandments are clearly written .
This video just proves that the Bible was right about wrongful teachers, and that the world is coming to an end
Hi Cairo, it would be more helpful if you could be specific about where you think the video is mistaken.
Cairo, That book invented by men doesn’t know when the world will end. They didn’t have science back then, hence why they thought the earth was 6k years old, but you probably believe that too. 🤡🤡🤡🤡
Since i heard one preacher take it one way and Jonathan takes it a different way, at least one must be a "wrongful teacher", hence proving what the Bible said. Doesn't prove Jonathan is wrong though.
@@BibleandHomosexuality why you question what's crystal clear ?
Whats need to be understood in liv 20:13 ?!!
Even a child can come with a right interpretation of tthat verse
Its crystal clear verse its not ambiguous at all
@@mrenigma1564 I think you need to rewatch the video again, you're missing something, or everything haha
God gave Moses the Ten Commandments on Mount Sinai to serve as principles of moral behavior for the human race and one of the commandments was " Thou shalt not kill " and then in Leviticus God is telling Moses that the people should kill those who worship other Gods or are homosexuals can someone please explain this to me ?
Contemporan Poet kill?
They never said they would KILL them xD
Its actually though shall not murder
It's moved towards murder.
@@shawnh2745 it’s thou shall not kill go read kjv version please and thank u
Are you explaining those verses from Religious pov or from Atheist one?
Aka are you Christian or Atheist?
I'm personally Agnostic Atheist and this video is like one of many puzzle pieces pointing out yet another inconsistency in the Bible
Hi Daniel, in one sense it shouldn't matter where I'm coming from - the question is whether or not the arguments and understanding is correct. However, for transparency I am a Christian (I teach biblical studies, and am an ordained minister).
why did you say linked with temple prosy the verse didn't say linked with?
Hi Alexander, thanks for the question. Forgive a long answer...
To understand what someone is saying, it helps to know the context - what's the culture etc they're in. Usually, writers can assume a shared culture/context with the reader, so can write things knowing that it will be understood in a certain way. For example, in Britain (at least until recently) if you said to someone 'nice to see you, to see you...' they would reply '...nice'. Why? Because it was the famous catchphrase of Bruce Forsyth, who dominated Saturday night entertainment for decades. Everyone knew it. This will change over the next few years, as generations grow up who won't have heard of him or his catchphrase.
Let's apply that to the Levitical verses. They refer to a man lying with a male. In our culture, we would commonly assume that referred to a gay couple. But their culture was different. In that time, if you said a man was having intercourse with a male, most people would assume one of two situations - either the man was having intercourse with a boy, OR this referred to a man having intercourse with a (male) temple prostitute as part of a particular form of pagan worship. They would NOT assume it was a gay couple, because that type of relationship was not a feature of that culture. But over time (thousands of years) their assumptions and our assumptions have separated from each other, because that culture is different from ours in that respect.
So even though there is no specific reference to temple prostitution in the verses, it is plausible that someone hearing the verse around the time it was written would assume that that is what was being referred to.
Hope this helps.
Good video. It serves as a great segway into my question: If we are to abandon these laws as christians, and adhere to New Covenant laws, I am interested to find out what Jesus himself has to say about the subject of homosexuality, marriage etc?
Hi Donniebrasco, I have a video on the gospels and homosexuality, which you can find here: ua-cam.com/video/fa2KvJ7SR4A/v-deo.html
@@BibleandHomosexuality your preaching a doctrine suited to men/women and not of God because in 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 talks about anyone who practices those sins won’t get into heaven.
Hi Patriciu, you seem to have left this same comment numerous times. I address 1 Cor. 6:9-10 in this video: ua-cam.com/video/ZFCKWJ7uk2o/v-deo.html
Or what if it's all true? I think he has pointed out that we are all hypocrites. So we should apply all of it
Maybe you are the hypocrite. Speak for yourself.
They don't even know who wrote that verse.
please do not overturn God's scripture. God's word, as it is written, is also meant
Hi 2023ToFairness, it would be more helpful if you indicate exactly why you think I am overturning scripture, referring to my arguments. I don't think I am overturning it, but I may be interpreting it differently from you.
2 Timothy 4:3
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
I find simply quoting Bible verses without any context or explanation unhelpful.
@@BibleandHomosexuality same
I find it pretty helpful.
Sound doctrine:
1st Corinthians 6:9 "Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men"
Romans 1:27
"In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error."
1st Timothy 1:
9We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, 10for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers-and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine.
1st Corinthians 6:18
Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a person commits are outside the body, but whoever sins sexually, sins against their own body.
Are you going to say we don't have to follow the New Testament?
Hi JC, you've actually made my point. You've pasted these verses as though they clear up everything. But in each case, the difference in context (and the way some of these are translated) can seriously mislead us.
To answer your last question first: we do have to follow the New Testament. But we also have to understand the New Testament and apply it properly.
For 1 Cor. 6:9 (also covers 1 Tim. 1:10) see my video here: ua-cam.com/video/ZFCKWJ7uk2o/v-deo.html
For Romans 1:27 see my video here: ua-cam.com/video/qkUytjBXXUg/v-deo.html
For general issues with this area, see my two videos here: ua-cam.com/video/LNPJ6GaeJ6Y/v-deo.html and ua-cam.com/video/cGYaZpu0NgY/v-deo.html
The last verse you quote, 1 Cor. 6:18, assumes that homosexuality is immoral. That is precisely what we are determining in the first place.
Hope this helps.
@@BibleandHomosexuality Two questions:
1. Are you a professing Christian?
2. Do you trust that the original Greek and Hebrew scriptures are the infallible word of God?
Romans 1:26-27
King James Version
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
Amen
Hi Deuteronomy, you will be glad to know I address these verses here: ua-cam.com/video/qkUytjBXXUg/v-deo.html
This whole series is superb. Thank you so much!
Thank you - appreciated!
Hey sir I hope you were active or to reply, but can you do a video explains context about the bible verse part about forbidding to cross dress?
Hi, I have no immediate plans to do a video about this. However, I hope the following helps. The verse most often referred to in this context is Deuteronomy 22:5. I give some brief comments on the associated website; you can find them near the bottom of this post: www.bibleandhomosexuality.org/what-does-the-bible-say-about-transgender-people/
That also references the following article:
Vedeler, H. T. (2008). Reconstructing Meaning in Deuteronomy 22:5: Gender, Society, and Transvestitism in Israel and the Ancient near East. Journal of Biblical Literature, 127(3), 459-476. doi:10.2307/25610133
Hope this helps!
Don't Use God's Word to Preverse it. Its Obvious Man shall not sleep with a Man and Woman should not Lay with a Woman!!!!!I Totally Agree. With the Word of God!!!!!You cant Disect the Word of God Making it to Fit your Lifestyle!!!!!Its Clear and Concise without Confusion!!!!!
Hi Ivalina, thank you for your comment. However, saying it is 'obvious' is not an argument. We both agree the word of God is important. We disagree about how to interpret it. (And for the record, this is nothing to do with my lifestyle - I am about as boringly conventional as it's possible to be - straight, married, kids, pets.
It also says not to fornicate or be a drunken Ivalina. Did Jesus Christ die and rise from the dead for ALL sins or only yours?
I like how the speaker mentioned that Christians only ever use one verse from Leviticus, while ignoring the rest. If you ask me, it is plain hypocrisy.
It's not. It's what the Bible teaches
I do not agree with you for Jesus himself said he did not come to abolish the law (the torah) but to fulfil them
Do we still need to obey all the commands in Leviticus or not?
@@BibleandHomosexuality for me I think yes
Hi Gina, that's fine. However, most Christians (including all the mainstream denominations) would disagree with you.
@@BibleandHomosexuality yes to the best of our abilities one reason a new covenant was made was because the lord knew the law would only get harder to follow as time would pass even for those who truly want to in their hearts.
@@BibleandHomosexuality I think your wrong I know many followers of Christ that feel they must obey the law to the best of there abilities
I got a question about the law. So you said that Leviticus isn’t for us. Wasn’t Leviticus for a specific group of individuals? Also what law do we follow today? The love thy neighbor and love god with all your heart, or the 10 commandments? I’m confused because im seeing 3 sets of laws.
Hi, thanks for the question. According to St Paul in the New Testament, the Law was for the people of Israel (Jewish people) until the time of Jesus. People are still at liberty to follow the Law if they wish, but it is not a matter of salvation or sin, and does not mark out who is part of God's covenant people. The new 'law' is the law of love: Love of God, and love of neighbour.
There will clearly be overlap with the old Law. Take the 10 commandments. It would not be loving others to steal, or murder etc. But we no longer (in the vast majority of Christian churches) keep the sabbath (from Friday sundown to Saturday sundown). And that's fine, because the 10 commandments are part of the Law which we are free to follow or not, so long as we love God and love our neighbours.
Hope this helps.
@@BibleandHomosexuality so in other words, the 10 commandments are not the rules we need to follow in regards to salvation?! It’s the 2 commandments he has given us about loving him and thy neighbor?!
Yes. Though of course salvation is ultimately dependent on God's grace, not what we try (and often fail) to do.
@@BibleandHomosexuality exactly. Salvation is faith alone through Christ alone. So what I’m hearing is that the 10 commandments is done and that levitical law is not for us??? That the only commandments are to love one another?
@@redtedgamer8692 please the Bible yourself, your salvation is your and ur faith is yours. I can’t remember anything saying the Old Testament laws all no longer apply. Read Leviticus 18 to 22 and understand everything it’s saying
Hi, I just want to say the law we aren't supposed to follow anymore are the ceremonial law because Jesus already fulfilled it, but the moral law ( 10 commandments ) are the laws we are still to follow, homosexuality is apart of that law mainly because people in the New testament prohibits doing any homosexual acts.
Hi Multareon, thanks for the response. However, the Torah itself makes no distinction among the different laws, and trying to impose a 'ceremonial' category is artificial, and fraught with definitional problems. Also, Jesus fulfilled all the Law, not just part of it. I would note that Christians do not follow the ten commandments (in particular, most Christians do not keep the sabbath as the Torah expects, from Friday sunset to Saturday sunset). I cover what the New Testament says about homosexuality in my other videos; please feel free to check them out.
"or work on a Saturday which is The Sabbath" SDA bro?
Hi Joseph, I'm not personally Seventh Day Adventist - I'm Anglican. My only point is that many Christians, if they treat any day as a special day, treat Sunday in this way, and not Saturday which is the Sabbath referred to in the Bible. Thanks for engaging.
Wait so is leviticus 20:13 talking about a threesome then? Thats the way its worded in king james version
There is much sin interwoven in the Bible because it is about sinful people. Yet it is also about how they humble themselves and reject sin.
it is talking about how homosex is sinful not about threesome but yes to answer your question homosexual threesome is also sinful- includes lesbians too- both gays and lesbians are sinning just to clarify- why they are sinning? Because God created man and woman to be together not man and man or woman and woman- this is what they are doing is therefore sin- depopulation cult- cause if every human were gay/lesbian then humanity would go extinct which is what devil wants to twist what God created.
actuall Yahshua said to keep his commandments, he fulfilled the law, so no we do not adhere to the law because anyone under the law is under the curse of death Paul wrties. but his commandments are forever; all twelve of them.
I agree with what your saying. Right now were living under the dispensation of grace not law, If were we still living up under the law. I dont think it would be one human left in the world.
Which verse is this found in? I would very much like to read it. Thank you!
It is a fake translation. Thr words were actually you shall not lie with a son/male child. The word in ancientHebrew/Aramaic is cognitive with both.
Your lost in your own interpretations, you do know it’s possible for you to be given over to a strong delusion because you reject the obvious truth?
Hi Tristan, thanks for commenting. Could you please be more specific where you think my interpretation is wrong?
@@animallovers5821 💡
@A man of Vision what if your very words applied directly to you?
@@BibleandHomosexuality He got nothing
Which God?
Why not take leviticus into consideration? If we're the ones deciding what to obey and what not, why not get rid of the whole thing and start thinking by yourself?
Romans 1:26-27
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26 Because of this, God gave them over(A) to shameful lusts.(B) Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones.(C) 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
Hi Abu, I have a video that focuses on these verses from Romans: ua-cam.com/video/qkUytjBXXUg/v-deo.html - I hope you find it helpful.
He’s preaching a doctrine suited to men/women and not of God because in 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 talks about anyone who practices those sins won’t get into heaven.
@@JesusofNazerth It’s the scriptures,
If the law is done away with. Can I kill someone as long as it's Within the bounds of love?
Hi old Errol, thanks for the question. In effect, you're asking if Christians can take part in/support military actions, including war. This has been a long debate within Christianity, with some strands/traditions affirming that violence is always wrong, and that it is never the most loving thing to do to kill others. Other strands argue that in certain, limited circumstances violence and killing can be justified as the most loving thing, because the alternative is even worse. This lies behind (in part) arguments about whether you can have a 'just war'. But in either case, the traditions are arguing about what is the most loving, not whether it follows or not the Old Testament law. Hope this helps.
what about when Jesus refers back to Genesis that God made them Male and Female and For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife? Matthew 19:4-5 . If as you say we don't live by the laws of the Old Testament, then why would Jesus make reference to something from the Old Testament? Also, you are incorrect that the only law Jesus gave us was love. You obviously haven't read the Bible or you would see there are many things about the Old Testament that are referred to in the New and we are told to abide by them still. Also, Jesus is part of the Trinity, and to say that Jesus either didn't talk about homosexuality or didn't mean a certain thing referenced in the Old Testament, you are basically saying he is not part of the Trinity. Whatever God says is what the Holy Spirit says and what Jesus says. They do not contradict each other. In no way am I saying that homosexuals shouldn't be treated with love and respect. We do need to show them love and what greater love is there than telling them the true gospel of Christ and saving them from eternal hell. I'm also curious why of all the sins mentioned why there is such a push to change the way we think about homosexuality and that the Bible might be wrong (fyi the Bible is not wrong) why isn't there a push to make adultery ok, or beastiality, or human sacrifices, or pedophilia? Why is this? If we are interpreting the Bible wrongly about homosexuality, then who's to say we aren't interpreting everything wrong? where does it end?
Hi, thanks for your reply. I cover the point you made about Jesus in this video: ua-cam.com/video/fa2KvJ7SR4A/v-deo.html - I hope you find it answers your question.
Regarding your other points, I don't think the Bible anywhere talks about homosexuality in the way or form we are discussing it now. Check out this video: ua-cam.com/video/LNPJ6GaeJ6Y/v-deo.html .
I'm glad that you agree that love is important.
Why would the ancient greek conception of homosexuality have any impact on Moses conception?
Dont be deceive by devil..protect ur self.
Hi Cherry, I am happy to agree that we should not be deceived by the devil and should protect ourselves.
What does it say in the New Testament
Hi Ryan, I look at what the New Testament says in a few of my other videos - explore the channel.
1 Corinthians 6:9
Hi Shanice - you'll be glad to know I have a video on this verse. You can find it here: ua-cam.com/video/ZFCKWJ7uk2o/v-deo.html
@@shanicebrown1585 itd mistranslated word in 1 corinthians 6,9,10 not a homosexual its arsonokontai
@@shanicebrown1585 its not homosexual its arsonokoitai means bed and male
1:37 Quick question 🙋🏽♂️.. the vs you choose to use lev 21: 18 to 20 is Talking about the type of sacrifice that’s should be brought to God not the person who is coming to God? Or am I reading it wrong - it says - “of the bulls or the sheep or the goats. You shall not offer anything that has a blemish, for it will not be acceptable for you. Animals ablind or disabled or mutilated or having a discharge or ban itch or scabs you shall not offer to the Lord or give them to the Lord as a food coffering on the altar” - Guy please go and read the verses yourself before commenting
Hi Kehinde, thanks for the question. I'm not sure which translation you are using, but I checked the King James, the NRSV and the ESV, and all are clear that it is referring to the person bringing the offering, not the offering itself.
I understand that I may not stand out amongst the rest of these comments but, I just want thank you for making these videos. You have helped me except myself for who I am and for who God made me be. Keep doing God’s work, thank you.
Thank you! It's great to get feedback like this. God bless.
He didn't create you though because if He did you would be perfect....you also have free will as did the Angel's who chose to disobey...so...🤷♂️
Or could it be a human being experiencing adam and eve in 1 life in 1 body. ?
Dicky Ricky read Roman's 1
@@Q.B.2.L.B. god doesn’t enslave people that’s why we have free will
Your intentional twisting of God’s word makes you accessory to the damnation of all who are deceived by you. You should tremble. Unless you repent you will not be found guiltless before Almighty God, and the day of judgement will be a horrifying entrance into an eternity of torment for you.
“For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to truth.”
“There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other scriptures.”
Paul and Peter were referring to you. Repent and turn from your sin, and stop deceiving yourself and others. God is not mocked.
There is forgiveness with God in Jesus Christ for all who believe in Him, and repent and turn from their sin.
Hi Matthew, we should both tremble. Because if you are wrong, then you are making it harder for those who are gay to come to Christ. And Christ said this about such people:
"If any of you put a stumbling block before one of these little ones who believe in me, it would be better for you if a great millstone were hung around your neck and you were thrown into the sea." (Mark 9:42)
This means that we should take seriously our duty to examine the Bible and how it should be interpreted. Since you disagree with my arguments, please explain why I am wrong. Convince me.
Don't ever listen to a homosexual telling you that homosexuality is not an abomination
Just as well I am straight, then. People can listen to me.
@@BibleandHomosexuality I prefer to listen to the word of God
We both do that. We just disagree over how to interpret it. God bless.
@@BibleandHomosexuality may we all find strength though God. God bless you too
@@Bleak1302 No they don't. They say "male-bedders" are doing something so hurtful it's incompatible with God's kingdom. Male-bedders are NOT homoxesuals because the former could repent "such were some of you" but people can't change who they're attracted to. Also women who like women are hardly male-bedders, are they now?
But Leviticus 19:37 and Leviticus 20:22 say "Keep ALL my decrees and ALL my laws. If anyone uses Lev 18;22 and 20:13 to condemn homosexuality, they MUST obey every single Old Testament law. Paul said the same thing in Gal 3:10 "obey everything written in the Book of the Law and 5:3 "obey the WHOLE law". Thanks for your comments.
Yes. You keep every law (including the ones about tattoos and shellfish and pork and the Sabbath) or you follow St Paul that the time of the Law has gone.
@@BibleandHomosexuality
The law that Jesus is disregarding is the law of Judaism being exclusive to jews/children of Abraham since we are all one under Christ. This does not mean the Old Testament should be thrown out, since there would otherwise be no reason to disregard the law if Jesus is creating his on laws despite the OT. Our bible combines the old and new testament for a reason.
Dude, if you don’t think it aplies it’s just your opinion. The eastern ortodox church for example does belive that you shall not have sex during menstruation
I am very happy to agree that I do not speak for the eastern Orthodox church.
@@BibleandHomosexuality also, women are not allowed to enter the church during that time
Very well done video, keep up the good work. Love you and God bless
Thanks for the encouragement!
Woe to those who call evil good
and good evil,
who substitute darkness for light
and light for darkness,
who substitute bitter for sweet
and sweet for bitter.
Woe to those who are wise in their own opinion
and clever in their own sight.
Isaiah 5:20-21
I find simply quoting Bible verses unhelpful. If you have specific criticisms of arguments in the video, please give them.
What about the Romans verses?
Hi V White, you can find my video on the Roman verses here: ua-cam.com/video/qkUytjBXXUg/v-deo.html
Hope you find it helpful.
isn't it a mistranslation to say "man lay with man" in the first place? Wasn't it actually describing a very specific type of relationship not practiced today? We know the definition of sexuality and sexual orientation has changed an infinite amount of times from then until now. I don't think (based on what scholars have said) the Bible mentions homosexuality or anything adjacent at all. It's just a translation convenient for certain people.
Hi EH, you may find the other videos on the channel useful in exploring this further.
@@BibleandHomosexuality I'm looking through, you've done a fantastic job
Thanks - appreciated!
The bible clearly condemn homosexuality behavior in the old testament ( Leviticus @) and new testament (1 Corinthians 6:9-10)period.
Hi Terry, thanks for responding. This video explains why I don't think Leviticus applies. What are your detailed responses to the arguments in the video?
I also have a video on 1 Cor. 6:9-10 ( ua-cam.com/video/ZFCKWJ7uk2o/v-deo.html ). Again, it would be more helpful to give your detailed responses to the arguments, rather than generic blanket statements.
Jaylin what is the correct translation, then? Can u provide a link with the correct wording? And what does “not apply” mean? Is that to say modern christians do not accept anything in the Old Testament as the word of God?
@@BibleandHomosexuality
Your whole “Old Testament verses dont apply to Christians because Jesus” is bullshit because Jesus came to fulfill the Old Testament laws- Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them” (Matt. 5:17)
@@MrBrainjasmatthew 5:17
Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them” (Matt. 5:17)
Christ came to fulfill not destroy laws of Old Testament.
My only problem with this is that the verse doesn’t condemn homosexual sex in the context of shrine prostitution, but bans the act as a whole. Even if that reason is to be “different”, it’s still a pretty bad mandate
There are a lot of unknowns about the prohibition. The text is ambiguous lit. "do not lie with male bed wife/woman taboo". we can try to tease out what we can out of the textual, historical, cultural and theological context. But I don't think we can make definite statements about it.
Ultimately, it doesn't matter, for "we have died to the law to the serve in the new life of the Spirit" (Rom 7).
@@MusicalRaichu Ultimately, it does matter to define what sin is because "For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation" (Hebrews 10:26-27).
If you continue to sin, then Christ's sacrifice on the cross will do nothing for you, and you'll be cast to hell during judgement.
Also Jesus defined Marriage in this verse. This is coming STRAIGHT from Jesus, "And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder." (Matthew 19:5-6)
Marriage is defined as One man and One woman (heterosexuality), and all sex outside of marriage is wrong. Also in this verse it says "father and mother" not "father(s) and/or mother(s)". It clearly defines just one mom and one dad.
And he said be yourself. But I must say the main thing is identity and when you do you will see u r identity of christ in spirit.
You tried hard to twist it and put your personal interpretation on it, tried to change the actual definition of words and it still didn't make sense
Christians don"t follow the ancient jewish laws of leviticus. The laws of leviticus are outdated and completely idiotic. Some of these laws are nowadays even crimes. I hope you never eaten shellfish or you'll burn in everlasting flames. How can you take leviticus/bible seriously? But christians love to quote leviticus to attack gays. A fool's faith is dangerous. A fool will always misuse his faith out of his foolishness. Leviticus : when a man lie with a man as with a woman.....I shall lie with whomever I please. It's n'one of anyone's business.
I have now watch all your videos. I thank you for you view on the topic of homosexuality. I think you engaged with the subject with respect and in away that is apropiate. Thank you for your effort.
Thank you for the feedback - appreciated.
God made Adam and eve not Adam and Steve
Hi Scott, you'll be glad to know I've made a video exactly about your comment. You can find it here: ua-cam.com/video/F4ljKuxHAJ4/v-deo.html
Hope you find it helpful.
There was also a talking snake lmao
Nicki Minaj is the queen of rap!!!
This doesn’t prove anything god created a woman and a man because only a woman and a man can REPRODUCE
Okay Boomer
Are you aware that when this scripture talks about death, it is referring to spiritual death and disconnection from God, not literal death.
Man,u put up the scripture saying its an abomination then argue it's not...i don't get it
Hi, thanks for dropping by. Sorry if it was confusing you.
@@BibleandHomosexuality Yea the discourse is needed however I don't think you have clearly made your point,i think your tying to say it "was" an abomination but it's not anymore.The question on whether God has relaxed his punishments is whole different topic,but it seems the Bible clearly says it's wrong.
@@BibleandHomosexuality And if the Old Testament is so "irrelevant" why are they in the Bible.Why would God give us a manuscript with irrelevant info? By Putting Christ on Earth,was not an indication we can now do as we please,it was a show of Mercy,its like we got so disobedient God made a deal with us,jus to save us...smh,now we are here taking his mercy for granted and taking that it means we can do anything as long we Believe in Christ.
Hi, thanks for the response. In the video I'm trying to make two general points: first, that the context for the verses suggests it was aimed at pederasty or pagan temple worship. Secondly, that in any case the time of the Law has ended.
You ask a good question about whether this means the OT is irrelevant (for the record, I do not think the OT is irrelevant). I'm going to quote Tobias Haller's reply to this point:
'So the argument is not, “Since we have tossed out one biblical law we can toss out any law,” but rather, “Since we have discerned that we are no longer bound by a law clearly labeled as belonging to a particular category of offense by Scripture itself, can we consider if we are also able to feel ourselves no longer to be bound by another commandment with exactly the same label.”
Haller, Tobias Stanislaus. Reasonable and Holy: Engaging Same-Sexuality. New York: Seabury Books, 2009, p90-91.
You're right brother, it seems the churches are picking and choosing what verses to conform to and others not to. We can't pick and choose. And one thing I've learned about your channel is that you have a strong heart of love. More channels need to promote this love. Jesus said we shouldn't divide but come together, to love each other and forgive. Not in those exact words
Thanks - appreciated!
Thank you so much, I've been really worried about this but hearing you calms me a lot!
Hi Chris AF, thanks for the comment - I'm glad that you found the video helpful (and that's why I made them :) ).
Hmm. I'm sorry.But God is against a same sex lifestyle. Of course you can still choose to live it. I don't know if you are a believer or not. But if you have questions regarding Identity and whether God is for or against homosexuality and the bible does not help you with that. Then ask him he will tell you. Maybe it will take a while till u have your answer but he will give it to you if you wait patiently.I promise. And pls don't get me wrong with any of those things I told you. This may sound judging but that isn't my intention. The thing is, nowadays everyone has their opinion on homosexuality, lgbtq and gender identity . You can pick and choose what you want to belive. But If you truly love Jesus and want to follow him. Then It's his word over all the opinions. It's sad that so many Christians nowadays interpret the word of God in their ways, to fit their standingpoints and agendas. Is anyone asking the holy spirit? The Bible was never about us but about Jesus. And we don't see that anymore I think. We won't even take gods word and leave it as it is regardless of it being confronting or not. It's really sad.. Again pls pls don't feel condemned in any way. I just wanna encourage you to ask Jesus. He will lead you into all truth. Be blessed and remember God loves you more than anyone could ever do. He loves you.
Hi HK, but all you have done is given your opinions on homosexuality and the Bible, just like you say everyone else does. Has it occurred to you that other Christians are asking the Holy Spirit? You are assuming that your interpretation of the Bible is correct, but haven't engaged with the arguments in this and other videos.
I do agree with you that Jesus will lead us into all truth, and that God loves us more than anyone can.
Read the Bible yourself and don't listen to this liar. The scriptures say,, "Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.
I Corinthians 6:9-10
Hi KJ Jewlry, I have an entire video addressing these verses, which explains why your translation is a poor one, and that Paul and those receiving his letters would have had pederasty in mind. You can find the video here: ua-cam.com/video/ZFCKWJ7uk2o/v-deo.html
Matthew 19:5 Jesus says ‘A man will leave leave his father and mother and be united to his wife and the two will become one flesh’ the same as Genesis 2:24 when God said it when he made Adam and Eve, so whilst I agree with some of the things you are saying about Leviticus in todays society, I take what Jesus said to be the true meaning of the word in this verse regardless of the era. Yes we are told to love one another we are also told to correct one another and my concern is if what you are saying is not interpreting Gods word correctly then you and others like you are condoning and leading countless people into living a life of sin because of what you say is what they want to hear understandably, we all want to be loved but we all also live in a fallen world sadly and it’s not what God intended it to be as we all also know.
We will all be judged for have all sinned and we all fall short of the glory of God, whichever one of us is wrong I pray God forgives us on the day of reckoning. 😢🙏
Hi Linda, thanks for the response. First, let me say that I agree that we fall short of the glory of God, and whoever is wrong I pray for God's grace and forgiveness.
I have done a video on the gospels, which includes the passage from Matthew, and also a video on Genesis 1 and 2. You may find them helpful. In brief, in Matthew Jesus is talking about the lifelong nature of marriage. The issue of gender simply wasn't part of the argument that was happening. Of course most marriages are male and female, and of course Genesis speaks of humanity in this way. But that doesn't mean that everything else is wrong (for example, being single).
You didn't answer the question why the verse says "as with a women." To me that indicates he is speaking specifically to the act of sex a man does with a woman, not an abusive relationship and therefore a man shouldn't have sex with a man the way he has sex with a women. He does not mention the other relationships. And in Lev 20:23 God says he didn't like what the pagans did anyway so who cares what they were doing. God didn't like it and he didn't want His people doing it.
Hi Jaakan, I give more detail on the potential meanings of the verses on the associated website (scroll down to the resources section): www.bibleandhomosexuality.org/does-leviticus-mean-homosexuality-is-an-abomination/
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I am a straight Orthodoxy Christian and I didn't understand about homosexuality at first, because I didn't know it was good or bad when I saw that some of friends are homosexual. But after this video, I now completely understand about it. I am not going to judge anyone, because everyone has own decision. Thank god, that I am and still straight which is more comfortable.
Thank you! 💙
Thanks for your comments - appreciated.
@@BibleandHomosexuality your welcome😉
@@Snowball_Butterfly listen you can have gay friends. But if you listen to this guy. You won't do well. Don't listen to him
@@Somtejesstudios Well, I have gay friends, and I am not judging them, everyone has their own sexuality, so I respect their decision. Still sorry for saying like this, I just don't know how to say it, but I know and understand why some people are gays or lesbian. I am not even angry at them!
Also, I don't want to start drama, because I saw a lot of people arguing from each other about LGBT and homophobia, that's why I am scared of joining dramas, I just want understanding of people's decisions calmly instead.
I hope you will understand this, and please accept my apology for texting my message.
@@Snowball_Butterfly it k. You can have gay friends and etc etc you can have gay friend's. But you cant be gay or belive in them, just be neutral with things. You can like your friends. But I am not telling what to do you can do whatever you want.
There's a huge flaw in the blanket "Christians don't have to keep the law" approach. The law also prohibits things like murder and adultery, as well as incest and bestiality, with these latter two in the immediate context of Lev. 18:22 and 20:13). Yet no one is arguing that incest and bestiality are okay for Christians to engage in because "that's the old covenant."
I believe that you can plausibly argue that the "clobber passages" don't actually have anything to do with homosexuality as we understand it today and even that the Bible, overall, is affirming. But simply saying "eh, it's Leviticus don't worry about it" simply isn't a sound argument.
Hi Larrilyn, thanks for the comment and engaging.
I guess I would say in reply that it's not me that says that Christians don't have to keep the law, but the New Testament (particularly shown in the writings of Paul, for example in Galatians).
This does not mean a free for all, where Christians can do anything (it looks like some in the church in Corinth took this approach, and Paul had to try to correct them).
Instead, the New Testament says that we are to live by the Spirit indwelling us, and by the 'law' which fulfils all the other laws - love your neighbour.
So murder is wrong, not because it says not to in the Law, but because it is not loving. If you want to judge whether a Christian should or should not do something, that is the metric to use.
The law all hangs together. If you think you should obey some commands because they are in the law (rather than because that is a loving thing to do), then you need to obey all the commands - including the ones about which foods you can eat, whether tattoos are suitable, whether clothes can have mixed fibres. You can't pick and choose.
This doesn't mean that Christians ignore the law. It has a variety of purposes, one of which is to point to Christ (cf Romans 3:21).
Hope this helps.
@@BibleandHomosexuality with respect, we follow Jesus, not Paul. As I previously highlight to you, Jesus was specific about the law - “ do not change a word of the law” “I have NOT come to change the law” Fact!
Why do you disobey his word! Why do you follow Paul. He wasn’t an Apostle, he never met Jesus.
Follow Jesus word, he is the light not the self appointed Paul 🙏🏻
@@johnsinclair2672 So are you saying that Paul wrote Leveticus and or the old testament and Jesus wrote the new testament? Is that what your saying?
@@joeporath2194
I understand Leviticus is attributed to Moses - some 1500 year before Jesus.
Paul came after Jesus - never met Jesus and wasn’t an Apostle, but managed to have his thoughts fill some 60% of the New Testament - many of which contracted and opposed Jesus teaching.
Jesus, as far as we know, didn’t write anything. However, the recently discovered “so called” Gnostic Gospels are among to oldest and untouched writings.
These writings share a very different teaching of Jesus word - one of mysticism, oneness and one consciousness.
This is a far more credible narrative than God in Heaven, with man “separate on Earth. And if man obeys the Religious dogma, man goes to Heaven. If man “sins”, man goes to Hell!
Everything is a sin in the Bible. The bar is set so high that no living human being can reach it. And even if you practice word for word what's in the Bible, you'll find many verses that justify killing for all sorts of context. The 'no-killing' commandment might as well be for decoration.
There's a reason why most first-world nations separate Religion from Governments. Otherwise you would have honor killings, slavery (Bible condones that too), women being treated like second class citizens if they want to be independent. You wouldn't have fair trial if you committed a crime, whether you stole something or simply made a mistake. Basically everything you enjoy today is because of that separation.
The Bible doesn't deal with depression, it just wants you to pray your pain away. It might help for some, but we have multiple diagnosis' in the medical field just for that topic alone.
How many of you give your hard-earn money to the poor when you get a bonus from your job? The bible says take what you need, everything you have in addition should be given away. Do you need 3 iphones, 3 laptops, do you need more than 1 dress, shirt, pants, underwear?
There is no mistake in Gods word! You are wrong! Read the bible again!
Hi Adam, I don't think I say anywhere that there is a mistake in God's Word. However, I might well disagree with you in how to interpret that word. That's why I produce these videos.
I agree with you Adam reed
Hi Adam, I am happily married to a woman, have three kids and two rabbits, and live an extremely 'normal' life. I don't have a vested interest in this, beyond thinking it's the right thing to do. But I would be careful - there is a lot in scripture about judging other people.
Sorry i thought you were gay.... But beware when you go against the bible..it is blasphemy. Have a nice day.
Just another note - it came across as dismissive and aggressive when you referred to 'this queer' (irrespective of the sexuality of the person). Thanks for engaging.
I really appreciated your insight on this particular passage !! It's always really cool to see these things explained diffrently then how I've grown up with them and it's really reassuring in a way !! But its also super helpful because its helping me gather sources for a school project i'm doing !
Glad that you've found it helpful - always nice to hear! And good luck with the school project.
Thank you ! I was wondering if it was okay to use clips from your video for my project? As the project I'm doing is a documentary !
So long as it's not for commercial use, please go ahead!
Thank you so much !
@@strawbeaniie I bet you ignored this whole video because you have an LGBT flag in ur pfp
And I as a Christian and from the messages from my pastors, non of the Old Testament laws are forgotten. If they where not directly addressed in the New Testament then Old Testament laws should apply.
Not what St Paul said. Not what the early church said. I think I'll go with those.
If I wasn't already a polytheist grounded in my beliefs, I think this video might very well have convinced me in my younger days to consider Christianity as my belief system in life.
Thank you - are you sure you couldn't come back?
Twisting scripture
It would be helpful if you could be more specific if you have any criticisms. Thanks!
What you said is not what the bible says, you're misleading people.
This man eloquently proves that if you go to scripture with your own agenda, you can prove/defend anything.
But, no one with a truly open heart, would ever come to this conclusion.
Merci pour toutes ces vidéos ! Jesus a dit qu'il n'est pas venu abolir la loi mais l'accomplir. C'est bien qu'il faut respecter les commandements et en plus de ça, s'aimer les uns les autres.
Vous êtes très gentil. Merci pour votre commentaire.
I don't think it condemns pederasty since the boy would be put to death also. God doesn't kill innocent parties.
@A man of Vision Then this video is contradictory, since the original definition of pederasty was mentorship with benefits and the "boy" could be from 13 years of age up to 20 or 30 years of age. Plus the boy's father had to consent or else it was illegal. So no, it wasn't pederasty but rather gay temple prostitution (eunuchs?) since the original text describes "man laying with a male as if with the layings of a woman". The verse comes right after forbidding your seed to pass through the fires of Moloch.
@A man of Vision Not only that, the Septuagint would have "paiderastia" added to the list but that it never did. Plus God has no qualms with men "laying" with children (God said that the Israelites could keep the "women-children" for themselves after killing off a corrupted tribe).
I thought the bible was pretty clear. If anyone has any questions just read it for yourself
You might want to watch this video about what the Bible does (or doesn't) say about homosexuality: ua-cam.com/video/LNPJ6GaeJ6Y/v-deo.html
Well there is the answer
He needs to sit down somewhere. God says it's WRONG keep playing..
I used to agree with you until I searched over hundreds of old testament scholars and sources and found what this man says to be more so true than not. It doesn't change the truth of the Bible, but the context is IMPORTANT.
@@ACyrrock004 define sodomite
So, you don’t wear mixed fibers? You don’t eat bacon or ham? You murder people who commit adultery? Seems like you’re a total hypocrite
@@ACyrrock004 Leviticus 18:22
22 “ ‘Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.
Romans 1:32
32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.
Romans 1:27
27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
Leviticus 18:22-24
22 “ ‘Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.
23 “ ‘Do not have sexual relations with an animal and defile yourself with it. A woman must not present herself to an animal to have sexual relations with it; that is a perversion.
24 “ ‘Do not defile yourselves in any of these ways, because this is how the nations that I am going to drive out before you became defiled.
1 Corinthians 6:9-11
9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men
10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
1 Timothy 1:8-11
8 We know that the law is good if one uses it properly.
9 We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers,
10 for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers-and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine
11 that conforms to the gospel concerning the glory of the blessed God, which he entrusted to me.
What about all of these?
Leviticus 18 in context is about incest
Bro literally said “you don’t need to keep the law anymore”
Correct, you don't.
Thank you so much!!! Is there any way you can do a video about getting drunk and bend what the Bible says about that so I can go on getting wasted and believe that I'm still ok with God? Oh I do hope so. It's my favorite sin and after seeing you bend these words like a pretzel, I'm just positive you can do it with drunkenness too! I feel relieved in advance. Cheers!!! 🍻 🥃
I notice you haven't actually engaged with any of the arguments in the videos, or even the Bible itself. Sarcasm is easy. Actually taking the Bible seriously is harder work.
@@BibleandHomosexuality let me put it to you this way, you don't read the Bible to see what it says, you read the Bible to see what you can make it say. That's why my sarcasm here is quite perfect. I've met people that said they think drinking and being drunk is okay, according to the Bible. They are just like you. They like drinking and they want the Bible to give drinking a thumbs up. Therefore, they read it to go about trying to prove that very point, again, just like you do with homosexuality.
You make this claim about me, but don't bother with any proof to even try to make this case. You've been blunt; let me be blunt. This is coming across as someone who is so sure that they already know what the Bible says that they can't be bothered to read it carefully and do the hard work to see what it actually says or how we should apply it.
@@BibleandHomosexuality I just read it and take it for what it says. I don't need to watch a video of someone twisting it into what they want it to say.
This is all wrong interpretation, you just misleading people and trying to make them feel good when they are in wrong!
Hi Davis, if you feel that this is wrong interpretation, it would be helpful if you could indicate precisely where the interpretation goes wrong. Thanks.
@@BibleandHomosexuality firstly sex is for married persons, and we are able to see God's design for marriage in genesis 2:24 between man and h8s wife. You trying to sell homosexuality as an honourable thing by deceiving people who struggle with same sex attraction which is clearly wrong.
Hi Davis, thanks for engaging. I agree that Genesis 2:24 provides a pattern. But that doesn't mean that alternatives are not possible or that alternatives cannot be blessed by God (otherwise being single would be sinful). Saying something is 'clearly wrong' is a bold statement - it needs backing up in a similarly strong fashion.
@@BibleandHomosexualityHey friend look into these verse,thank you:- 1 Corinthians 7:1 Now for the matters you wrote about: "It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman."
1 Corinthians 7:2 But since sexual immorality is occurring, each man should have sexual relations with his own wife, and each woman with her own husband.
1 Corinthians 7:3 The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband.
Hi Davis, I teach a session on this part of 1 Corinthians. In this part, Paul says that it would be better to marry than to burn with passion. It would seem logical, therefore, that people of the same sex should be able to marry to avoid burning with passion.
man shall not lie with young boy.
So the word of God depends of the context? What the Bible says is actually not an absolute Truth? G.d had a look of what is trendy and gave His book according to it, but actually thinking "well people if times change, all I say here is obsolete ok?". What you say is the Bible wrote things that was valid only for the period it was given, but G.d actually did not foresee the fact times change would come. Interesting view of G.d eternity...
Plus, I am always fascinated by how you can present your own interpretation with so much certitude, when it has nothing to rely on, and that you are ready to make the text say anything, just to prove your point.
Interesting also that the Church has mocked the Jews and their Oral law over the centuries, saying the literal sense is essential, no need for some Rabbis interpretations. And here is what you (not only you though) are doing all along again and again...stray from the most simple and literal sense. (The Bible says Men with males, what is so complicated? Men: adult male, male: any male. So adult men are prohibited to lie with any male. Why does it have to be related to the context you absolutely wants to see. The Bible does not mention any of that)
Glorious!
Hi Nathasion. If you don't think context is important in understanding the Bible, then that is your right. However, it is not a mainstream approach to interpreting the Bible; it is not the evangelical tradition of interpreting the Bible; and it is not mine.
@@BibleandHomosexuality context means time depending, and G.d is not dependent on the time...
So Evangelical tradition (and YOURS as it seems to have its own weight) can say what they want, but better if it makes sense.
God is not dependent upon time, but we are, and God deals with as we are. One small example: the New Testament is written in koine Greek. Why? Because that is what people spoke and read then.
@@BibleandHomosexuality NT was written by Men. How can you compare this recent scripture to the one given to Moses by G.d itself?
Hi Nathasion, I am a Christian. As such, I do not recognise a distinction between the authority of the Hebrew Bible/Old Testament and the New Testament.
Leviticus 20:13:- " If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they must surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. "
When God's Word (IE: the Bible ) is so clear on this matter; any attempting to deny those words are simply attempting delude either themselves or others.
Hi Cedric, just checking that you feel this strongly about tattoos, or people eating pork, or people eating food made from blood (eg black pudding). Or about ham and cheese sandwiches. Or about intercourse during a period.
@@BibleandHomosexuality
Basically.... Yes I do.
Tattoos deface the bodies natural beauty, eating food made from blood is inherently dangerous, and intercourse during the monthly period is an abuse of any woman to whom it is done.
That said however; I've never seen any Scripture criticising either eating pork, ham and cheese sandwiches etc, and would appreciate your mentioning where in the Bible these things are condemned. I thought it was only Islam which forbids the eating of pork ?
Hi Cedric, Although I don't personally have tattoos, I know many who do. I am not aware of any major denomination having a ruling on whether tattoos should be outlawed or not. I do love black pudding as part of a cooked breakfast, and I like my steak rare. I have never come across any sermon preaching about when married couples should have intercourse as a matter of abomination.
The command not to eat pork is Leviticus 11:7-8. Not eating pork was a key part of Jewish identity at the time of Jesus, with stories being told of Jewish people martyred during the Maccabean wars for not eating pork. It remains as part of Jewish practice today for observant Jewish people.
Observant Jewish people also do not mix meat and dairy (so no steak and cheese, let alone ham and cheese), based on the majority interpretation of Exodus 23:19; Exodus 34:26 and Deuteronomy 14:21.
And I also believe that the Bible is clear when in the New Testament it says: '“Now before faith came, we were imprisoned and guarded under the law until faith would be revealed. Therefore the law was our disciplinarian until Christ came, so that we might be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer subject to a disciplinarian, for in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith.” (Galatians 3:23-26 NRSV). The New Testament is clear that the time for the Law is over for Christians.
Hope this helps.
Cedric, you are 💯 right
Just checking that you keep the Sabbath properly every Friday evening to Saturday evening.
Matthew 5:18-19 King James Version (KJV)
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Hi, I don't find it helpful to just quote biblical verses without comment. What part, in particular, of what I said in the video did you disagree with and why?
@Samuel Sanchez He did, lol. And he commented.
@Samuel Sanchez Jesus said till the law was fulfilled it stands, so did the cross not fulfill anything?
@@BibleandHomosexuality I think you just verbalized your biggest problem: you don’t find God’s word helpful. You don’t find it helpful, because it is offensive and destructive to your personal agenda, because your agenda is of your flesh, not of God.
Hi Matthew, you seem to have misunderstood my point. I do find God's word helpful. In contrast, I find your comment offensive.
Simply quoting a Bible verse is not interpreting the Bible, nor is it an argument. In the context of working out what the Bible says about an issue, there is sometimes an implied interpretation behind the verse. But this is not explicit, which is unhelpful. And sometimes it is not even noticed - which is even more unhelpful. I am content to be challenged on my interpretation - I try to respond to as many comments as possible. But if people don't engage with my arguments, they are not treating me seriously (which I can live with) or the Bible seriously (which I find more worrying). We are called to use all of us in the service of God - including our minds. If you are so convinced I am wrong, then explain (rather than just assert) why.
What I find most difficult is that the people of the lgbtq community are born the way they are. Why then do we support things that discriminate against those people? I came to this video seeking knowledge because I know in my heart when something is wrong. I know that calling a homosexual relationship an abomination is wrong. So I am grateful that others feel the same and are researching the context of scripture. Because there are verses, at least to me, that rubs me the wrong way, therefore I search for answers. For example, 1 Timothy 2: 12, says "I do not let women teach men or have authority over them." Should we take this verse at face value and strengthen the patriarchy?? No, we should search the context and find answers through the lens of loving faith.
It was written in Patriarchal society and most of its writer are men.
you think it’s wrong because you follow your feelings not what the bible says
@@ECase5 you think I'm wrong because you perspective only limits to bible.
@@rainb5987 what other source we have for christian belive, please enlighten me
@@danoctavian8184 Psychology, Anthropology, Social Science, History and Liguistic (Philippine history and language in my case coz it had been a genderless society before Spanish came with their Catholicism), Zoology (because there are other species of animals that have homosexual behavior), Law and Mythology.
Then why is sexual morality reitirated in the New Testament.
You seem to be assuming in advance that gay relationships are wrong.
@@BibleandHomosexuality I am not assuming here. Let's say you are right about the Leviticus, but what about Romans 1:26-27? Which is after Jesus' death.
I hope you find this video about Romans 1 helpful: ua-cam.com/video/qkUytjBXXUg/v-deo.html
Well this may come abit late as i only saw it now but i stand to disagree about following the old testament ..See how Jesus said it in Hebrews 8:6-13 and Matthew 9:16-17. In Matthew 5:17-18, Jesus says, "Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
So we jave to follow the old testament.Yes we may not abide by the rules that govern adultery in our current weak faith but that doesn't mean we shld abondon the laws
Hi Hamza. The mainstream Christian tradition of the last two thousand years is that we do not have to follow all the Old Testament laws (and Acts 15 and Galatians bear witness to that dispute within the early church). You quote Hebrews, but that says, 'In speaking of “a new covenant,” he has made the first one obsolete.'
We have one law to fulfil, which is to love.
Let’s all relax and have some ham and cheese sandwiches, maybe even some bacon!
what if ur a veggie?
Can you pay i left my wallet at my house?
@@bipn_406 hows that help the homophobics?
@@pastorbri nah just left my wallet . Never mind imma leave.
@@pastorbri The commentator is telling homophobes to chill because they really need to calm down, in Taylor Swift's own words.
This is by far the best video on homosexuality in Leviticus. Some people tried to explain it by dismissing it, like “18:22 wasn’t in the original text”. But you really put the issue in context, and reminded us what Christianity is really about. Thank you! God bless you!
Thanks for the positive feedback. Appreciated.
What is Christianity about?
@@goldencross2947 Hope these will help. 4:49 And ua-cam.com/video/slyevQ1LW7A/v-deo.html
@@goldencross2947 john 3 16 said that "for God so loved the world that he gave his only begoned son that how ever believes In him will have eternal life. Christian is about asking God for forgiveness for your sins and you will have eternal life
And love your neighbor as your self. Jesus is a God of love
@@BibleandHomosexuality Every time I see someone explaining Bible verses, I just wonder why God is so bad at communication. Why did God said "man with man", if he really meant "male prostitutes"?
What happens if you continue living in sin - will God accept that ? What will He come to judge then ? Maybe what He says about the works of the flesh and how someone that truly believes in Christ, leaves the old man behind to be transformed in the likeliness of His son, is also not acceptable for man wants to justify sin by adjusting God to suite his own desires. Doesn't Paul say we shouldn't assume that if grace has become abundant, that it means we can continue living in it - Scripture says Christ didn't come to take away the law, but to fulfill it, now is just a grace period for repentance and acceptance for those willing to be reborn, then when He returns, He comes to judge the works of the flesh , for sin has already being condemned.
Hi, I entirely agree that we shouldn't continue living in sin. I just strongly disagree with you that being gay, or being in a same-sex marriage, is sinful.
@@BibleandHomosexualityAs it may - all sin is from evil, all evil from satan, and his Powers are the rulers and seven stars of PELAIDES. Other gods, spirits and demons as were served through, Zeus, Baal etc, Powers working today corrupting the truth.I will gladly agree if you can provide byblical truth, in that where God finds acceptance in any form of lust except what He describes as the natural in His word under the one thing we know as marraige. The Holy Sacrament of marriage was put in place to serve what is was meant for exactly, it was never meant to be perverted. Paul asks, shall we therefore continue to live in sin ? You cant be made holy following your fleshly desires. Love God above all, become spirit and reborn, not find ways to make the will of man acceptable by twisting Gods will to suit the flesh.
I appreciate you trying to get some background research done, but you are beyond wrong on this subject. And even if you were right, there are multiple verses in the new and Old Testament that tell us homosexuality is wrong, 1 Corinthians 6:9 says that those who commit homosexuality will not inherit the kingdom of heaven
Hi Korbyn, I address the few verses that are referred to in this debate in my series of videos. I have an entire video on 1 Cor. 6:9 here: ua-cam.com/video/ZFCKWJ7uk2o/v-deo.html
yes, it does
no, it doesn't
The Bible is very clear on this issue
What part of YOU SHALL NOT is unclear? It is FORBIDDEN! you're literally saying the complete opposite of what God himself said
Hi, I'd appreciate it if you engage directly with the arguments you feel are wrong, rather than general statements like this.
You are right these ppl r insane if they think God recognizes homosexuality
@@BibleandHomosexuality there is *no* argument. What you are saying throughout this entire video is in direct contrast to what the scripture says. Let's take religion out of the picture for a moment and break down semantics and use context to identify the intended meaning of this as far as the intended reader (who would be a religious observer) is concerned:
*You shall NOT LIE with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination*
Here we can see that the speaker (the Hebrew God of Abraham) is explicitly stating to men (as evidenced by the word YOU) that you are not to lie with another male in the same way as with a woman. But what *way*is the speaker implying? Well how does a man typically lay with a woman in the Bible narrative? This euphemism is for sexual intercourse. So again let us use semantics in context here. You(a man) shall not lie(have sex with) a male as with a woman ;*it*(the action thereof which is homosexuality) is an abomination
Here it matters not what the definition of abomination even is, it is how the action is viewed. They go on to state that person's caught in it are to be stoned. "thou shall not kill" is "thou shall not premeditate and murder" that's a statement you could use this argument for as god repeatedly tells people to kill in the OT yet *never told a single person man or woman to do what Leviticus **18:22** expressly forbids*
Leviticus 20:13 expands on this narrative against homosexuality. If you do this within their lands, you shall be put to death.
Note the semantics here. *Put to death* means executed. Here the hangman is absolved of the guilt that breaking the aforementioned commandment would bring as the lord is the killer. Otherwise they would be set free. Here you see again, the euphemism for sexual intercourse. The abominations spoken of *is the homosexual activity*. They even say their blood is upon them, meaning as far as the Hebrew God is concerned they had it coming. I'm not Christian at all, but this ancient work of men clearly is espoused by many as the LOGOS and it doesn't say what you're arguing in this video
The point is you can take the word abomination out of the text completely and it doesn't change at all the stated message that homosexuality is *forbidden*
Thank you for putting forward an argument - it is appreciated. As I said in the video, I think the context here does matter - that at the time male same-sex activity was either related to pagan worship or was pederasty. But even putting this to one side, you don't address why Christians should feel bound by these two particular verses when we are not bound by the rest of Leviticus (and I give example of such verses in the video).
If Christians can have tattoos, or work on Saturdays (that breaks one of the ten commandments) or have sex while a woman is menstruating, why are these verses on male-male sexual activity to be kept?
Christ is the end of the Law to righteousness for all who believe.
Colossians 2:16-17 (KJV) Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
Hebrews 9:10-11 (KJV) Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.
But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
Well first of all you are adding and taking away from Gods word. Secondly God dose not make mistakes, human deformaties and birthdefects did not happen untill man and women started laying with family members like as "Inscest" so if a child, man or woman was deformed it was from these things that thier life was born from. This is why God could not have them in his place of worship, they were concieved in a act that went against his law. As far as fibers for clothing goes. There are clear scritures about what to wear and what not to. In Egypt and other areas prostitutes would wear revieling clothing that would drape the body, man and woman in a way that was provocative. Not only that but God had delivered his people out of a land of persicution and wickedness and they prayed and asked for help. God gave them salvation in the hope of Moses and Aron. They repayed him by building false idols and god's to worship. God laid a law down for them to follow and have a deffinant whole hearted dedication to. If they strayed in any way or brought outside influance to corrupt his people they were put to death. God made man and woman for man. The earth is his creation and we are his children. Homosexuality is an abominatiin upon or kind, just like our ansecestors in the desert following Moses some of you have lost your way. God dose NOT hate you he loves all he created. Satan is the great liar an deciever. Some of you have fallen into the the corrpution that is he. I will pray for you all to find salvation. But these words of anyone saying that homosexuality os ok are wrong. I am NOT homophobic and do NOT hate you. I have many friends who are gay men and women and I love them all. I pray for them as well. Please don't listen to toxic lies and pray and read yourselves.
Hi Mike, you haven't actually explained why I am either adding or taking away from God's word. From your example about fibres, your logic would seem to be that we need to understand what the context and reason for that commandment then was, rather than simply taking it literally. If this is your argument, then it doesn't just apply to fibres, but potentially to all the commandments in Leviticus.
You reply a lot in your comments that today's church doesn't believe in following the law but going through your comments I see a good portion of people reply that we must I'm happy about this because I know God is
If you personally wish to follow the law, fine. But if someone should insist that others follow it, then according to St Paul, 'let that one be accursed'.
The early church had to address the issue of imposing the Law on non-Jewish converts to Christianity. Their conclusion was no, it was not to be imposed. This is recorded in Acts 15. I'm horrified how some of the church in modern times tries to reverse the apostles' decision.
This is some of the best biblical debunking i've ever seen, i only watched this video but now i have an urge to binge your entire channel, God bless!
Thanks for the feedback - appreciated!
If God says it's wrong it's wrong facts we should keep the laws
HI, Thanks for engaging. You say 'we should keep the laws'. But the Christian Church has not done or thought this for the last two thousand years, since the first council recorded in Acts 15. Christians don't keep the Sabbath (Friday evening to Saturday evening). Christians eat pork and shellfish. Christians have tattoos. A blanket statement 'we should keep the laws' is, from the historic, orthodox Christian understanding, plain wrong. Have a look at the video; I look forward to your engagement with the content.
Hi Samuel, my first degree was in science from the University of Cambridge. I then got a first in a BTh from the University of Nottingham (with a prize). Subsequently I got an MPhil from the University of Nottingham, before completing my PhD with the University of Manchester. Hope this satisfies your curiosity.
The Sabbath is but one example of laws that Christianity does not expect followers to keep. And this is because Christ is the end of the Law (Romans 10:4). Paul describes the Law as a disciplinarian whose role has come to an end. I note that you mention the Sabbath, but don't tackle pork or shellfish or tattoos. Why cherry pick some parts of Leviticus and ignore others?
Homosexuality is not 'clearly condemned repeatedly all over the bible'. Homosexuality is not mentioned at all. Male same-sex activity is mentioned in the OT only in Leviticus and the story of Sodom (where it refers to gang rape). There are three NT passages (one of which repeats a word first used in 1 Cor. 6). I deal with these passages in my videos and on my website.
As it happens, I am not gay.
”For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: and likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.“
Romans 1:26-27 KJV
Its doesn’t need to be debunked any further.
That doesn't describe homoxesuality. We know it's not caused by idolatry, and no gay man has "left the natural use of the female". Seriously, not a single gay person I've known did even one word of Rom 1.
Now sure, some guys "burn with appetite" for guys but plenty more "burn with appetite" for women. That's why the main point of the text is Rom 2.1, "you condemn yourself". The point of the text is NOT to use it to criticize other people.
•Unclean Food in the New Testament Jesus declared clean.
•The pagans would cut themselves in honor of their false gods, it is not talking about tattoos.
•Having a blemish didn't make you less holy, if you continue reading it says in Lev. 21:22 that so they wouldn't profane the temple.
•Should adulterers and homosexuals being executed? Yes.
Romans 6:23 KJV
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Only Jesus cleanses us. That is the difference. Jesus died on the cross for our sins so we don't need the punishment. We must believe he is God and man. We MUST REPENT and turn from our ways and turn to Jesus. He is the only way to salvation.
Love is not tolerence. Its warning someone of the danger they are in.
1 Corinthians 13:6
Rejoices not in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth;
Please see the whole chapter of 1 Corinthians 13.
Hi, you make a number of points. Let me address them.
First, you say that unclean food was made clean in the New Testament. Please note that this is also true of 'unclean' people, as the account of Acts 10 clearly shows. Peter is shown a vision saying that all food is clean; the leap that he makes is, when seeing Cornelius, that all people are clean.
I agree that pagans cut themselves as part of their cult worship, and that Leviticus may well refer to this. It proves the importance of understanding the surrounding context and why something may have been mentioned here. This also, of course, applies to Lev. 18:22.
If your blemish profanes the temple, it sort of does imply you're less holy.
I see that you are consistent about applying the death penalty. I strongly disagree with you, and note that Jesus didn't enforce the death penalty on the woman caught in adultery.
I wholeheartedly agree with you on the importance of love, and repenting from sin. I just disagree with you that homosexuality is sin.
@@BibleandHomosexuality
I have a question and I ask it in sincerity. How do we know what is sin and not sin according to the Word of God?