2:35 Rule #1 Melody is King 4:16 Rule #2 Chorus within 50 seconds 5:18 Rule #3 No more than 3 to 4 parts 6:17 Rule #4 Recycle Melodic parts 8:16 Rule #5 Create Balance 9:31 Conclusion
I grew up on the music this guy wrote. And I still love pop to this day, in fact I’m currently working on being a pop producer. Yet my love for jazz and classical is still there. People who discredit pop have no idea what they’re talking about
great analysis, very helpful for songwriters! I don't want my songs to sound anything like Max Martin, but I do see a huge value in understanding the tricks and methods behind one of the "biggest" songwriters in human history. thanks for sharing :)
You are a gifted analyzer, And you present naturally, in a welcoming way, with no falseness. A real compass, for people.searching for greatness. That missing chord.
This video was a massive help to my music technology project on Max Martin, there is not a lot of information online about his melodic math idea so this very clear video was extremely helpful. Thank you!
As usual, lovely guy, very clear explanations, amazing video animation, no click bait - this guy delivers QUALITY! And don't pay attention to people mentioning the fact that you speak slowly, they're just straight negative people, and don't have 10% of your ability to analyse songwriting.
This is invaluable, thank you! I've watched hundreds of songwriting videos, and this is one of the meatiest that I've come across. Well researched, and well explained. Subbed.
Don't get too hooked. Those rules and some more are known to many people for years, even before Max era. Even I know them and quite alot more. Yet there are so few successful songwriters. Why? Because Max is highly talented for writing melodies. That's what distinguish him from thousands guys that know same rules as he does. If there were for toolbox there would be thousands of rich songwriters. Life isn't that easy.
I'm starting to think there's more to "hit" songs than just writing a good tune with good harmony. Fame, and what becomes famous or accepted as "great" is a very interesting thing to study. The more agreement that you're 'cool' and the more attention you get, the more people value what you do, and are willing to "see" in it. Once you're noticed, mentioned, and praised by enough people, then suddenly more people are willing to listen to you, and see the good in what you did, trust what you did as "good", take advice from you, etc. and most of all give you the benefit of the doubt. This is why McCartney's music still sells, even though he can't write a decent song anymore. If he hadn't been a Beatle, nothing he did after the break-up would have been noticed. And most people will disagree with that because they won't take into account the red carpet he was already walking on by then. They don't see how their preconceived assumptions and therefore their judgement, works. They can't really imagine him as a 'nobody' they've never heard of, and who no record company would give the time of day to, even if his stuff was pretty good. They also don't understand how the record industry worked at that time, never mind now. Everyone wants to be on a bandwagon, and ride with a crowd, so they look for wagons to get on so they can ride with that crowd and "see" what that crowd sees. Notice how political views are not very mixed. People who accept certain political views will more likely accept certain other ones, often without evaluating them thoroughly. That's because the people they consider to be "right" have to be right about everything else, or lose some of their credibility, which would cause them to be questioned on what they say. I'm over 6 decades now, and have watched the music industry change so drastically, that it appears that "what makes a great song" has changed as well. I always thought there were these timeless principles & qualities to 'good music', but those qualities have all -and I mean ALL - gone out the window since the 1970s, and been replaced with other "qualities". I seems that when the basic mentality of society changes enough, so come changes in artistic tastes. Another observation is that musicians tend to suck in their musical tastes - they more often tend to like songs & styles that are not really all that popular with the larger masses, although there are enough people who will buy those records to keep a band making a living. But they don't have the mass appeal that other types of music do. You will never convince one of those musicians that this is the case of course, because they "know" for sure what is good and what isn't. But they can't write big mass appeal hits....for some reason. They keep writing the stuff THEY think is good, and wonder why it's not a massive hit. So at least 1 of my theories on why it's so hard to write a hit is that the people who write songs - musicians - tend to have "off-ish" tastes, and of course write stuff that appeals to them, not to the majority of people, i.e non-musicians.
@Bike thanks! I almost deleted that after finishing it, feeling sure no one would read it anyway, because it's too long. And the average person would probably see it as pointless rambling about nothing. ;)
Great Info! People who dont like "positive pop music" (or some may call it cheesy songs") will use the chance here to write bad comments etc but fact is the majority of people DO like music that is based on such formulars. Also, people shouldnt blame Max Martin on that because these formulars exist since hundereds of years and even Classical composers were using melodic math. Thank you for sharing such great information!
Arvo Pärt (Estonia, 1935), the most played living composer during 2011-2018, is also composing classical and religious music that is strictly governed by mathematical rules. His piece "Fratres" composed for piano and violin should instantly convince you how pattern based music can evoke very strong emotions, perhaps even stronger than arbitrary approach to making music, because human brains subconsciously pick up the signals of patterns hidden in music and therefore people like it more. This is something closely related to what Ali said about the mere-exposure effect.
Legendary! Subbed! It's also nice to hear some of what I've naturally been doing echoed back here, but also lots of great tips I'd never thought of. I particularly liked the idea of recycling and using more simple melodies when you are using a more complex chord progression to counterbalance. Brilliant
Thank you for the info in this video, it really was very helpful. What I have noticed is that there are quite a few nasty people leaving comments on your video. Ignore those people they probably don’t like themselves so I highly doubt they will like you. Ignore the nasty comments and concentrate on the nice ones. Thanks again for the video! 😊👍
Thanks, I'm pleased you found it helpful. I have no problem with people sharing there opinion it's what the comments section is for. As your channel name says everyone is entitled to their opinion 😊If you're willing to be open, even the negative comments can help you to grow and improve, some of the negative comments on here I actually don't disagree with, and the ones I do doesn't make them wrong just because I disagree. Thanks for your comment 👍
Back in the 1990s Max Martin was invited to work with Denniz Pop, in the legendary Cheiron Studio which would become one one of the world's most successful pop studios for its time. If you listen to Denniz first major hit ''Hello Africa'' by Dr Alban you'll understand what Max means with clarity. The song is very simple (instruments kept to a minimum), and you can clearly hear how instruments are gradually introduced. The chorus start exactly at 50 sec.
Very interesting video: it's all about finding the balance between repetition without getting boring or surprise without loosing the listener. The 1 2 3 rule fits this (2 repetitions of a pattern before having the 3rd slightly modified)
I think if you try to keep your songs to a radio friendly 2:45 to 3:45 and follow the standard verse-chorus structure with verses of about 8 measures or less, it would be pretty typical for the chorus to land around the 30-50 second mark. I took a look at the Taylor Swift-Max Martin collabs and looks like most have a chorus that starts then, but there's actually a few with choruses that only come in around the 60 second mark including Style (#1 pop radio single), Delicate and Dancing With Our Hands Tied. There's also a few songs that start with the chorus, often a more stripped down version, with a full chorus coming at about 60 seconds (Bad Blood, Don't Blame Me) or even later in the case of End Game at 85 seconds. It does seem like Taylor uses a looser structure for singles she wrote without Max. Dear John stretches it out with two verses and some instrumental sections to deliver the chorus at 1:46 min while Holy Ground impatiently races through the first verse at 200 words per minute to reach the chorus in 30 seconds
Thanks for this!! Great to look at techniques like this, practice emulating them and then blend the parts I like into my own style! We all got where we are by emulating others, from the basics of learning how to crawl then walk as a baby (we saw adults do the walking first). I am not sure anyone just created a song without hearing other songs first, which they ultimately emulated, just look at the classical music era.
That's very cool I got more out of it this time. It seems as my keyboard skills improve so does my ability to understand song structure. Thanks friend for sharing
I've been doing melodic math without knowing I was doing it. Example in my song The Way I Is (iTunes, Spotify, Amazon) verse: I'm a black boy in a white world (8syllables) so I had to change my name to get this song heard (12 syllables) It's Njabulo say it right ho (8 syllables) now I'm Charlie Manner tearing up the dance flo' (12 syllables) I have Asperger's so I always do my best to make my lyrics fit the syllable count. I also do my best to make the middle and end words rhyme. With the chorus melody takes the lead. I make it as simple as possible, very similar to a nursery rhyme. And, I've noticed that with this method, people always end up humming the chorus after the 1st listen.
Thanks ! In a recent interview he also revealed that one basic principle he follows is what he calls "The Prince Theory" - unfortunately the interviewer interrupted him way too early, but this is what i took away: Apparently in a lot of Prince songs either the melody or the chords in the verse are actually the same as in the chorus. He said Prince would tease the chorus already in the verse this way. Funny as i'm a huge Prince fan but i never noticed that. My own addition when it comes to Prince would be that in a lot of songs he uses a primary (instrumental) hook, supported by a secondary hook that gets introduced later in the song. This way he manages to keep the interest of the listener without repeatin the same thing over and over again.
Very true indeed! I actually spent time working with Prince at Paisley Park in 2013. Sometimes Prince has a formula but most times he just picks up whatever instrument is within reach and just jams out. Once he figures he has something that works, he starts calling in the band (3rd Eye girl) to teach the parts one at at time. Once completed, then I would get the signal from him to mic him up and start recording. Checkout the song "Another Love" from him when you get a chance, It is a perfect example of the process mentioned.
Wow mate. Ive been doing wierd music for a long time started with electronic then got into composition and now I want to learn how to make more normal and approachable stuff. This channel seems to be great for me. you got mu sub.
My god, where do all these people come from? Hopefully you can filter them out. For myself (regardless of how I feel about the kind of music that Max Martin has gotten rich writing), you've done a great job of simply and clearly communicating some important principles of songwriting, and I think you're great. Thanks.
Nice video. I'm aware I'm being THAT guy, but I really hope Max Martin isn't getting credit for using balance and contrast in songwriting! It's centuries old.
@@sethfry9788 is why music is dead! Smh 99%of it's written by this guy and its soooo monotone but I guess u gotta work that way when no one can sing anymore zero fkn real talent u find more in the indie scene than ever in the radio these days! So much trash
Nice video. You've also hit on why most of his songs sound the same and quickly bore the ear. There isn't much to interest the ear or challenge the mind. Take a song like MJ's "Billy Jean". It sounds simple, but unlike Martin where there's a lot of recycling, when you really listen to it, even within the standard pop construct, Quincy Jones was subtly changing and adding things through the entire song. It essentially never stops building.
Thanks, good job! Mere-exposure (or familiarity principle) has been used for centuries by all the greats, from Bach, Vivaldi, Beethoven, Wagner and onward. It's vital to all writing, whether pop, film scoring, or obnoxious commercial jingles :) Good lesson!
Thanks man. I am a producer and really found this is helpful information. I always research the producers behind most hit songs, mainly because they are the ones who make the artist. It's kinda sad how many people know Katy Perry or Taylor Swift, but not the guy behind those stars. Earned a new sub! :)
Exactly....Wonder how many Bon Jovi fans know that Desmond Child wrote ALL their big hits and most of the album fillers, hence, their songs all sounding 'produced', in the sense that they sound as though they were written to make money, not as a form of expressing heartfelt 'GENUINE' emotions... just another shallow, lacking depth, catchy 'hit' brimming with high-school sentimentality.... Bon Jovi didn't write 'Living On A Prayer'...'Always'...'Keep The Faith'...Desmond Child was / is a song-writing machine...written for Aerosmith...he wrote 'Poison' for Alice Cooper
You know what? This knowledge is precious. Yes, it's overused, yes we need some fresh air in pop music, yes it's depressing how the music industry is unwilling to stray from many of these concepts, but this formulas only work with the public because it drives songs to be more pleasant, and we're all for pleasant music, right? Remember that in the Classical Era the hottest thing was to write sonatas, which are pretty formulaic themselves. If you wish to write a song, you don't need any of Max Martin's concepts. But if you want to write a pleasant song, just be aware that Martin's approach does result in pleasant songs, even if you have another approach.
And actually the California Girls case study line 4 IS NOT a variation, because she sings "up" as 2 syllables, so you are correct in that it is identical.
2:35 Rule #1 Melody is King
4:16 Rule #2 Chorus within 50 seconds
5:18 Rule #3 No more than 3 to 4 parts
6:17 Rule #4 Recycle Melodic parts
8:16 Rule #5 Create Balance
9:31 Conclusion
Mahalo
agreed
Thanks for sharing! Excited to practice this!
@uhuh yes exactly.
RIP real music
I grew up on the music this guy wrote. And I still love pop to this day, in fact I’m currently working on being a pop producer. Yet my love for jazz and classical is still there. People who discredit pop have no idea what they’re talking about
speed x1.25 and it becomes a good video
Hey your right im not falling asleep now
x1.50 also fine.
man ... THANKS!
x2 is even better...
2x is weird, but totally works! :) thx.
great analysis, very helpful for songwriters! I don't want my songs to sound anything like Max Martin, but I do see a huge value in understanding the tricks and methods behind one of the "biggest" songwriters in human history. thanks for sharing :)
True to take the formula and add your own spin
You are a gifted analyzer, And you present naturally, in a welcoming way, with no falseness. A real compass, for people.searching for greatness. That missing chord.
This is gold man. This is rationalization done right.
You're a lovely, listenable presenter
No he isn't, this is unbearable to watch. I'm not even homophobic but this is too much.
@Jacks yeah... no. his talking speed and ticks are absolutely cancerous
This video was a massive help to my music technology project on Max Martin, there is not a lot of information online about his melodic math idea so this very clear video was extremely helpful. Thank you!
Thanks, I'm glad it helped you. Good luck with your project
As usual, lovely guy, very clear explanations, amazing video animation, no click bait - this guy delivers QUALITY! And don't pay attention to people mentioning the fact that you speak slowly, they're just straight negative people, and don't have 10% of your ability to analyse songwriting.
Thanks Julien
This is invaluable, thank you! I've watched hundreds of songwriting videos, and this is one of the meatiest that I've come across. Well researched, and well explained. Subbed.
Repetition for long enough is how to manifest
Don't watch hundreds of songwriting videos
Watch a few long enough
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9/9/2024
Don't get too hooked. Those rules and some more are known to many people for years, even before Max era. Even I know them and quite alot more. Yet there are so few successful songwriters. Why? Because Max is highly talented for writing melodies. That's what distinguish him from thousands guys that know same rules as he does. If there were for toolbox there would be thousands of rich songwriters. Life isn't that easy.
This!!!
Sometimes it is tho
I'm starting to think there's more to "hit" songs than just writing a good tune with good harmony.
Fame, and what becomes famous or accepted as "great" is a very interesting thing to study. The more agreement that you're 'cool' and the more attention you get, the more people value what you do, and are willing to "see" in it. Once you're noticed, mentioned, and praised by enough people, then suddenly more people are willing to listen to you, and see the good in what you did, trust what you did as "good", take advice from you, etc. and most of all give you the benefit of the doubt.
This is why McCartney's music still sells, even though he can't write a decent song anymore. If he hadn't been a Beatle, nothing he did after the break-up would have been noticed. And most people will disagree with that because they won't take into account the red carpet he was already walking on by then. They don't see how their preconceived assumptions and therefore their judgement, works. They can't really imagine him as a 'nobody' they've never heard of, and who no record company would give the time of day to, even if his stuff was pretty good. They also don't understand how the record industry worked at that time, never mind now.
Everyone wants to be on a bandwagon, and ride with a crowd, so they look for wagons to get on so they can ride with that crowd and "see" what that crowd sees.
Notice how political views are not very mixed. People who accept certain political views will more likely accept certain other ones, often without evaluating them thoroughly. That's because the people they consider to be "right" have to be right about everything else, or lose some of their credibility, which would cause them to be questioned on what they say.
I'm over 6 decades now, and have watched the music industry change so drastically, that it appears that "what makes a great song" has changed as well. I always thought there were these timeless principles & qualities to 'good music', but those qualities have all -and I mean ALL - gone out the window since the 1970s, and been replaced with other "qualities".
I seems that when the basic mentality of society changes enough, so come changes in artistic tastes.
Another observation is that musicians tend to suck in their musical tastes - they more often tend to like songs & styles that are not really all that popular with the larger masses, although there are enough people who will buy those records to keep a band making a living. But they don't have the mass appeal that other types of music do. You will never convince one of those musicians that this is the case of course, because they "know" for sure what is good and what isn't. But they can't write big mass appeal hits....for some reason. They keep writing the stuff THEY think is good, and wonder why it's not a massive hit.
So at least 1 of my theories on why it's so hard to write a hit is that the people who write songs - musicians - tend to have "off-ish" tastes, and of course write stuff that appeals to them, not to the majority of people, i.e non-musicians.
@Bike thanks! I almost deleted that after finishing it, feeling sure no one would read it anyway, because it's too long. And the average person would probably see it as pointless rambling about nothing. ;)
@@jameseverett4976 I think you are on to something James. Sadly, you are right about Maca, and I worship the Beatles.
Great Info! People who dont like "positive pop music" (or some may call it cheesy songs") will use the chance here to write bad comments etc but fact is the majority of people DO like music that is based on such formulars. Also, people shouldnt blame Max Martin on that because these formulars exist since hundereds of years and even Classical composers were using melodic math. Thank you for sharing such great information!
good comment. but "negative pop music" is also a thing and is just as catchy!
@@KOSMIKFEADRECORDS what song is negative pop, sir
My man, Aragorn is writing ALL the hits these days.
Arvo Pärt (Estonia, 1935), the most played living composer during 2011-2018, is also composing classical and religious music that is strictly governed by mathematical rules. His piece "Fratres" composed for piano and violin should instantly convince you how pattern based music can evoke very strong emotions, perhaps even stronger than arbitrary approach to making music, because human brains subconsciously pick up the signals of patterns hidden in music and therefore people like it more. This is something closely related to what Ali said about the mere-exposure effect.
Subbed! Your deconstructions are really great, I love what you're doing here. Keep it up!
Listened in 1.5 speed playback and it changed the video for me 💫
amazing video. I recommend this video for any songwriter out there
This was really interesting, thank you for the research and great presentation!
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Very helpful video. Thanks for posting and thank you to Sean for asking!
Thank you
Legendary! Subbed!
It's also nice to hear some of what I've naturally been doing echoed back here, but also lots of great tips I'd never thought of. I particularly liked the idea of recycling and using more simple melodies when you are using a more complex chord progression to counterbalance. Brilliant
Absolutely loved this video and found it so useful in line with what i have been looking into so far. Keep it coming if you can. Thanks
Thank you for this information, and continue the great work.
Thank you for the info in this video, it really was very helpful.
What I have noticed is that there are quite a few nasty people leaving comments on your video. Ignore those people they probably don’t like themselves so I highly doubt they will like you.
Ignore the nasty comments and concentrate on the nice ones.
Thanks again for the video! 😊👍
Thanks, I'm pleased you found it helpful.
I have no problem with people sharing there opinion it's what the comments section is for. As your channel name says everyone is entitled to their opinion 😊If you're willing to be open, even the negative comments can help you to grow and improve, some of the negative comments on here I actually don't disagree with, and the ones I do doesn't make them wrong just because I disagree.
Thanks for your comment 👍
Back in the 1990s Max Martin was invited to work with Denniz Pop, in the legendary Cheiron Studio which would become one one of the world's most successful pop studios for its time. If you listen to Denniz first major hit ''Hello Africa'' by Dr Alban you'll understand what Max means with clarity. The song is very simple (instruments kept to a minimum), and you can clearly hear how instruments are gradually introduced. The chorus start exactly at 50 sec.
Thanks guy , your voice is so calming
Very interesting video: it's all about finding the balance between repetition without getting boring or surprise without loosing the listener. The 1 2 3 rule fits this (2 repetitions of a pattern before having the 3rd slightly modified)
Also notice that many times the note melody that falls on the beat, is not part of the chord, but an "off note" (like 9th, 6th, 4th etc.)
Brilliant video. Thanks so much!
thank you - I can understand what you are saying and it all makes sense - thanks again
No problem, so glad it helped you
I think if you try to keep your songs to a radio friendly 2:45 to 3:45 and follow the standard verse-chorus structure with verses of about 8 measures or less, it would be pretty typical for the chorus to land around the 30-50 second mark.
I took a look at the Taylor Swift-Max Martin collabs and looks like most have a chorus that starts then, but there's actually a few with choruses that only come in around the 60 second mark including Style (#1 pop radio single), Delicate and Dancing With Our Hands Tied.
There's also a few songs that start with the chorus, often a more stripped down version, with a full chorus coming at about 60 seconds (Bad Blood, Don't Blame Me) or even later in the case of End Game at 85 seconds.
It does seem like Taylor uses a looser structure for singles she wrote without Max. Dear John stretches it out with two verses and some instrumental sections to deliver the chorus at 1:46 min while Holy Ground impatiently races through the first verse at 200 words per minute to reach the chorus in 30 seconds
Bro, youve got no idea how this has helped me. God bless you my friend! Thank you so very much!
Thank you so much for your comment, I'm glad it was helpful to you.
Now we need to take what we've learned and actually do something creative with it!
I'm getting charged up to quote in elegiacs all the crimes of Heliogabalus.
Thanks for this!! Great to look at techniques like this, practice emulating them and then blend the parts I like into my own style!
We all got where we are by emulating others, from the basics of learning how to crawl then walk as a baby (we saw adults do the walking first). I am not sure anyone just created a song without hearing other songs first, which they ultimately emulated, just look at the classical music era.
Thank you for this great information it has really help me developed my song writing. Continue the great work.
That's very cool I got more out of it this time. It seems as my keyboard skills improve so does my ability to understand song structure. Thanks friend for sharing
You really blessed people. I don't think they know how much gold you've given out.
Thanks so much, I really appreciate that
Aye! Tipsy Recs fam in the house!
I've been doing melodic math without knowing I was doing it. Example in my song The Way I Is (iTunes, Spotify, Amazon) verse:
I'm a black boy in a white world (8syllables) so I had to change my name to get this song heard (12 syllables)
It's Njabulo say it right ho (8 syllables) now I'm Charlie Manner tearing up the dance flo' (12 syllables)
I have Asperger's so I always do my best to make my lyrics fit the syllable count. I also do my best to make the middle and end words rhyme. With the chorus melody takes the lead. I make it as simple as possible, very similar to a nursery rhyme. And, I've noticed that with this method, people always end up humming the chorus after the 1st listen.
You're adorable. Thank you for all the knowledge. Keep going!
I agree very thankful for the work and research that this guy has done
Thanks ! In a recent interview he also revealed that one basic principle he follows is what he calls "The Prince Theory" - unfortunately the interviewer interrupted him way too early, but this is what i took away: Apparently in a lot of Prince songs either the melody or the chords in the verse are actually the same as in the chorus. He said Prince would tease the chorus already in the verse this way. Funny as i'm a huge Prince fan but i never noticed that. My own addition when it comes to Prince would be that in a lot of songs he uses a primary (instrumental) hook, supported by a secondary hook that gets introduced later in the song. This way he manages to keep the interest of the listener without repeatin the same thing over and over again.
Very true indeed! I actually spent time working with Prince at Paisley Park in 2013. Sometimes Prince has a formula but most times he just picks up whatever instrument is within reach and just jams out. Once he figures he has something that works, he starts calling in the band (3rd Eye girl) to teach the parts one at at time. Once completed, then I would get the signal from him to mic him up and start recording. Checkout the song "Another Love" from him when you get a chance, It is a perfect example of the process mentioned.
Max Martin is a phenom, and your vid really shows a glimpse into why! Great stuff!
Absolutely fascinating! Liked and subbed. Looking forward to catching up on all of this series.
Thanks a lot for taking the time to make this video. Subbed!
Greetings from La Paz, Bolivia!!! 🇧🇴 🤘
Excellent video 👍
Tip for presenter: Take your spoken presentation and speed it up to 1.25X in the edit program to keep the energy up
Memorizing these methods and keeping them in mind when writing songs would be a great tool to have!
Math Martin
Maths Martin more like ;)
What is the name of this type of identification that is made of the melody of parts A, B, C ...? Shown instantly ---> 3:50
LOL
Thank you for the information :) Rule #1: 2:36, rule #2: 4:17, rule #3: 5:19, rule #4: 6:17, rule #5: 8:16
Thank you very much for this information; and also you have a lovely voice! 😀
Wow mate. Ive been doing wierd music for a long time started with electronic then got into composition and now I want to learn how to make more normal and approachable stuff. This channel seems to be great for me. you got mu sub.
Your video is awesome and full of treasure information. Thanks
Thank you
Highly Superb Info Mate! Cheers!!
Good stuff, so little we know about max but we all look up to him & how prolific he is
My god, where do all these people come from? Hopefully you can filter them out. For myself (regardless of how I feel about the kind of music that Max Martin has gotten rich writing), you've done a great job of simply and clearly communicating some important principles of songwriting, and I think you're great. Thanks.
It's sad when the top comment is a passive aggressive put down on a video this guy did not have to make for people.
Great video. I like the speed at which you talk just fine, don't listen to the idiots in the comments section.
Recommend watching this at 1.5x speed
What is the name of this type of identification that is made of the melody of parts A, B, C ...? Shown instantly ---> 3:50
It made it so much easier!
Jose LMM Can you rephrase that question Jose
@@LivingUnlabeled thanks but i already found the answer.
Nice video. I'm aware I'm being THAT guy, but I really hope Max Martin isn't getting credit for using balance and contrast in songwriting! It's centuries old.
Eye Write Daily, what's funny is that he never does that. He uses compression to make everything the same. No contrast.
There's literally nothing on here that is a revelation. These are all well-known song writing tactics.
@@sethfry9788 is why music is dead! Smh 99%of it's written by this guy and its soooo monotone but I guess u gotta work that way when no one can sing anymore zero fkn real talent u find more in the indie scene than ever in the radio these days! So much trash
Your audition is very deep, your views very clear. Let's have some more Diane Warren ...
Just popped out of my head - Trance Blues has used this repeating melodic idea since....I don't know when.
This is great, thank you!
i want to hear a good love song with a beautiful piano intro. that's my kind of songwriter!
Piano………o my lover for the first time in my life…my….eyes are wide open. JL
You are awesome for making these videos. Thank you!
so good your analysis. Man you are identical to Keith Haring
😂
This is a good start, but I wish I got more detail about each item.
Thanks a lot. You put into words what I only felt intuitively. Very useful!
Great Video, crazy amount of value in this. Thank you.
I’m taking notes 📝
Funny I'd see you here 😂
steven swisher always learning haha
Same bro
Nice video. You've also hit on why most of his songs sound the same and quickly bore the ear. There isn't much to interest the ear or challenge the mind.
Take a song like MJ's "Billy Jean". It sounds simple, but unlike Martin where there's a lot of recycling, when you really listen to it, even within the standard pop construct, Quincy Jones was subtly changing and adding things through the entire song. It essentially never stops building.
Nice toolbox lesson & direct presentation, thanks!
This was so helpful....Thank you so much.
Incredible video thank you
Thank you very much for this information. Really great visual aids.
GREAT VIDEO:)) LOVED IT VERY INFORMATIVE.. THANK YOU
THANK YOU ;)
Thank you - i am a max martin and deniz pop fan too!
thorough analysis thank you
Thanks, good job! Mere-exposure (or familiarity principle) has been used for centuries by all the greats, from Bach, Vivaldi, Beethoven, Wagner and onward. It's vital to all writing, whether pop, film scoring, or obnoxious commercial jingles :) Good lesson!
I songwrite my way,everyone is different,but handy tips for beginners
intro startled me but great video!!! Big ups !
Yo thank you so much!
Happy to help!
nice breakdown and Xanny background (:
You have no idea what you've done, you're helping me so much right now thank you 🙏🙏🙏
Melodic Math, interesting, I'm glad I watched this video! Thank you
Pure gold! Thanks for making this!
You’re an awesome 😎 UA-cam channel.
Loved this video!
Thank you!!
Great advice! 1.5x play speed is good for people like me who have horrendous attention spans ha!
Great video! Thank you brother!
This was very insightful. Thank you!
Thank you so much continue your good work bro.
You just made him sober and listenable
Some great tips here. I am taking notes.
Thanks man. I am a producer and really found this is helpful information. I always research the producers behind most hit songs, mainly because they are the ones who make the artist. It's kinda sad how many people know Katy Perry or Taylor Swift, but not the guy behind those stars. Earned a new sub! :)
Exactly....Wonder how many Bon Jovi fans know that Desmond Child wrote ALL their big hits and most of the album fillers, hence, their songs all sounding 'produced', in the sense that they sound as though they were written to make money, not as a form of expressing heartfelt 'GENUINE' emotions... just another shallow, lacking depth, catchy 'hit' brimming with high-school sentimentality.... Bon Jovi didn't write 'Living On A Prayer'...'Always'...'Keep The Faith'...Desmond Child was / is a song-writing machine...written for Aerosmith...he wrote 'Poison' for Alice Cooper
You know what? This knowledge is precious. Yes, it's overused, yes we need some fresh air in pop music, yes it's depressing how the music industry is unwilling to stray from many of these concepts, but this formulas only work with the public because it drives songs to be more pleasant, and we're all for pleasant music, right? Remember that in the Classical Era the hottest thing was to write sonatas, which are pretty formulaic themselves.
If you wish to write a song, you don't need any of Max Martin's concepts. But if you want to write a pleasant song, just be aware that Martin's approach does result in pleasant songs, even if you have another approach.
Super useful & really easy to digest, thanks Ali!
Thank you for the video fam! Very informational! :D
Hey man, that was super helpful, thank you so much!
No problem. Glad it helped!
Really dug this video, always been huge MM fan. We write our songs with a lot of inspiration from Max Martin. Subbed!
Thanks for your comment. Really appreciate it
Absolutely Amazing, what a wonderful episode.
This was a really good video. I subscribed!
we need videos from you!
Very informative video mate. Great stuff, keep it up!
And actually the California Girls case study line 4 IS NOT a variation, because she sings "up" as 2 syllables, so you are correct in that it is identical.