I’M LOSING MONEY ON THIS ONE - BID FAIL!
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- Опубліковано 12 вер 2024
- I’M LOSING MONEY ON THIS ONE - BID FAIL!
In this video, I’m installing a metal awning to this farmhouse porch. I’m Austin Ross of arosswelding and on this channel, I share my experiences as a rig welder and in my mobile welding business. If you are searching for old farmhouse facelift ideas, farmhouse addition, farmhouse awning, farmhouse carport then you are in the right place. This Oklahoma farmhouse is a great example of how a steel awning or modern metal awning can freshen up a space. Not to mention the practicality of a metal walkway cover. This client was wanting to set on the south side of the porch without getting rain blown in during a storm as well as cover guest from their car to the front door. Residential metal awnings not only keep you covered but they make a statement too. Just a simple sidewalk awning freshened up the face of this old farmhouse yet still keeps it’s charm and welcoming character. Subscribe for more videos on mobile welding, mobile welding rig, mobile welding trailer, mobile welding truck, and mobile welding projects. If you live on an Oklahoma farm or Oklahoma ranch and need some welding around your property or farmhouse you can reach me on my website.
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I heard the saying years ago and it has stuck in my head ever since
“ you can’t beat a man at his trade “
Awesome job Austin!!!!
Don't overthink stuff and be down on yourself. It looks good and at the end of the day you learned something.
When I first got into the trade of pipeline welding I already had 3 years of experience helping and welding in shops , and was certified as a journeyman . Got into the field to do pipeline welding. Found out I really was starting even with three years of apprenticeship under the belt . The older hands called me a bronc because I still didn't know enough to be called a tradesman . 5 years later the older hands started to consider me a tradesman and stopped calling me a Bronc . Trades of all kinds take years to master and even then as Austin has said you learn something new every day . Great vid Austin
Thanks for yet another great video Austin.
After seeing this video, I think that you could put your hand to just about anything , and do a good job of it.
Extensions and renovations is prolly one of the most demanding trades, simply because you have to meld the new with the existing structure, and not end up with something that looks like it's bin built onto like a hornet's nest.
After I made a serious mistake on one job, and spent the entire day remedying it, then the owner came onto the site and saw what a difficult day that I'd had.
He said to me "did you learn anything?"
I said that I had.
He said "the only folks that never make mistakes are them that never do any thing".
Those words mad me feel a whole lot better.
I have been a Carpenter for 40 years but still learning. I am like you in that I try to take pride in what I do and always pick holes in my work. I do tin work but not my strong point however work is work. I agree also that it is great to see trades people that specialize in one thing make jobs look easy. The biggest problem with this in a small town like where I live it limits the type of work you can get and is available. I do most things out of necessity and then try to do my best. It bugs me that others can do it better than me but I can do all building trades to a reasonable level that I can charge for and the specialist guys can't do that. You have integrity and don't do a bad job whatever you do as far as I can see. So keep learning that is all you can do.
I'm a carpenter and we always did a ton of metal work like this, non structural but all the sheething. with thin metal like that I always just scored it with a knife and snap it for the best clean cuts.
Austin, you don’t need to leave the missed screw in, I never do that in steel cause you can usually see two screws next to each other if you look so pull it out and get a color matched caulk and be sure the caulk goes thru the hole, that way it will hold good for 30 years
Thanks for the video not too many you tubers with balls enough to tell the truth about jobs.
Hard to bid jobs unless you specialize....every job has to include unforseen and more you do the same job, the more you can lower your unforseen part of the bid and win more bids.....fine line between working all the time and taking on different jobs to stay busy in your area....thanks for sharing the over stepping and learning on your own a new craft.
Very well said. NOBODY IS PERFECT. Thanks for the great VIDJA’s & honesty !
Thanks for your time and sharing this video. Humble and honest in your approach . Why don’t people appreciate skills that take a life time to acquire ? Simply caring for the work we do is part of becoming a true craftsman.
I couldn’t agree more. Very well said.
Man I’ve put up a few buildings form setting the I beams to screwing the tin down and it’s not easy especially when you have no help. Don’t let this project bring you down man
I feel you buddy. I’ve been I’m the metal fabrication industry for over 15 years now and recently put a metal roof on my house where nothing was square. The professionals make it look so easy. I put down the tin snips, got out the cut off wheels and the plasma cutter where I felt comfortable. I definitely had to get my brother over who roofs for a living and help me with the real tricky parts and was amazed on how quick he works with the snips. It’s looking good so far and I’m sure the customer will be satisfied.
Your honesty is a statement to your character. Forget about it!
Doing something that's not your normal line of work, but still involves using some of the same tools, you adapt and overcome if you're willing, and you are. An old friend of mine had a saying, "We're all going to the school of Life, it's just that some of the lesson's cost more"
Keep up the good work!
I love it! School of life!
I remember an experienced home builder telling me he won't/doesn't do his own sheetrock. It's too easy and more convenient to sub it out. You can get killed financially on a weld job trying to go beyond your tools and trade. Wooden fencing is like that too. Once you have to start landscaping/excavating and drilling/anchoring in concrete as well as other handyman accesorizing, it becomes a monster.
Im a welder out of texas and i build metal buildings and carports, at first it can be frustrating but the more you do it and learn the tricks the better it gets and on the bright side you can make good money doing it
I normally don't do jobs that I need a helper for. But doing jobs that needs a helper without it makes a job way harder, Great Job 😃😃😃 Thanks
I don't think anyone builds a nicer post frame building than Kyle with RR buildings. I enjoy your videos, keep the content coming.
Nice work! The awning turned out great! Always appreciate your honesty in learning and your character man👊!
Years back I work for a large company doing Millwright work. We hung a lot of red iron and everything else. All the old hands always talked about making sure it's Square, plumb, and always working off center. and boy were they right!
It seems like any time you try to add a structure or deal with remodels people have to deal with things not being true and square. It still came out looking awesome.
Oh yes....the types of jobs that come up with surprises 😱😱
Yes. And projects I've never done before so the bid is a little bit of a guess
My dad and I build shades for cattle and horses out here in Az and the absolute worst part is the tin. Cutting, fitting, and welding are cool, but I hate putting up the tin and keeping it all square lol. On top of that... adding to something that was built by other people is always an adventure. Great vid!
There is a saying, do what you do best and delegate the rest. But the experience is valuable, no matter the outcome. That being said you built a good looking awning, and learned a lot.
Haha I love the saying! I’ve never heard that one.
I really like your vids. Been very helpful. I really appreciate your honesty when you make a mistake. You could edit them out but I like your real world approach to work and life in general. Thank You.
Local 29 ironworker here.
Much respect towards you for your channel.
I would advise you to really look into metal building systems first before you start getting into them. Its a good way to start out but there's alot of hassles that come with metal building systems.
Welding is pretty easy compared with finish work. As far as bidding goes, I would say that a good, sound bidding practice would be to bid the finish work 3 times the erection time.
Finish work is always tougher than erection and more time consuming, typically.
I started in the ironwork trade erecting metal building systems nonunion and then got into custom stairs and such. From there I went union and havent really touched metal buildings since.
It was good experience, but as far as the pay is concerned, there just isnt the same money in erecting metal building systems as there is in heavy industrial or commercial welding.
In heavy welding there's more money and there's much less equipment involved and its much, much simpler. More skill is involved, but the process is actually fairly simple once you know what you're doing.
There's money in metal buildings, but its a total process deal and if you're going to do it you need to have some serious money to be able to support a full crew in order to delegate the simpler functions of erection and building.
Hiring one or two helpers seems like a stupid decision, but it makes sense because two extra pairs of hands makes all the difference in finish work because there's alot that needs to be done.
As a union tradesman, I would highly recommend that you approach your local ironworkers union and express interest in starting a metal building system business. They have resources and are often willing to set you up with jobs if you work with them to start a union company. It can be cost prohibitive to start, but the advantage you would have for the long run is fantastic because there are not many union contractors willing to build metal building systems because they are such labor intensive projects. But a good crew makes all the difference. You get a couple good guys who know what they are doing and the rest is history. You can build a metal building with 6 guys and a crane even a forklift in a week no problem.
I just finished my 3rd year apprenticeship where we covered the subject of metal buildings. We bought a metal buildings book which is a book that gives an overall education on the common terms used in the industry and the basic education for how to erect them and square the building, the process, the order of operations, etc. That would be a very valuable book to have if you were thinking about getting into the industry.
And if you wanted to really learn the business you might consider taking some time to work for a company that specializes in metal building systems just to familiarize yourself with the process. The money isnt there as a worker, but if you set aside a month to work it, learn the process, see from experience, that would definitely give you a better idea if its the type of work you'd be interested in getting into long term.
I watch Kyle’s channel too. You guys are both badass!!
I appreciate that. I'm thankful for his videos for sure
You said it brother. Hey I am all about learning new stuff but when it comes to making money just stick with what you know. Try new stuff on your own house or property. That is what I have learned. Thank you for sharing your experience on trying something new. Take care and stay safe.
The quality of your work looks good . Your honesty is unheard of . You can pick the parts of the project that you are good at and give the other trades a call when you need them . In turn they will think you are a good guy and call you when they need welding / fab work done . Thanks for the videos
Dude! I also watch Kyle from RR buildings. He is also a perfectionist, and he loves his gadgets.
Alway be open to new avenues of work. Example my stepmothers dad worked as a pipe fitter for a major railroad on steam engine, steam engine went away so did his job. He started his own plumbing business that went in HAVC business with him and his son then in the 70’s they started building homes. My stepmoms dad retired her brother continued in building new homes until he retired. I’m not saying pursue things that you don’t have interest in but be open to them. Circumstances will always change and some times you’ve got to roll with the changes. Your motto of learn something new every day is a very good one to live by.
You do good honest work man! Keep it up and don't be so hard on yourself, nobody's perfect. Live and you learn, that's what it's all about. Keep those video's rollin!
I've installed tin roof on these types of structures for years and years now. And one thing i've learnt to do is to not blindly trust my chalk like. Obviously i'm still following my line, and i'm always double checking my measurements (but c'mon let's face it, mistakes are always a possibility lol) But anyways right before I start drilling, i'm also always "feeling" for the purlin to be under the tin sheet. Doing that slowed me down for a bit, but after a while maaaan I was flying again AND I wasn't missing single screw anymore
It’s the same way with wood framing Santos, I do the same thing whenever I was putting down roof sheathing or Sheetrock, etc, missed fasteners suck!!!
Those quirky jobs! Good to see an honest summary. 👍
It looks like it all worked out well.
Anytime you're matching to or remodeling existing construction, you're at the mercy of the carpenter before you and time. Foundations settle, etc.
It’s painful, I’m three days behind on a deck remodel budget is getting tight
Great stuff. I love your honesty. The job looks great so far
My boss said to me, you young man will learn more in the 4 years after your apprenticeship than the 4 years completing it , and man it's true ! ( In Australia we do 4 years study to become a boilermaker welder) 30 years in and still burning rods !!!
The last words you said were “ learn something every day “ are costly words. You learn by doing so you have to pay the piper till you have it down pat. You can’t charge your customer for your learning on their job. You’re doing a great job and being fair about your charges and the more you do the quicker you become and things will be in your favor then. Thanks for sharing with us Austin and keep up the good work and videos.
Amazing perspective Thankyou.
The best teacher is your last mistake. Live and learn!
Dude! So hard to build anything above your head . By yourself I've done it , man o man is it rough . But I give you alot of credit ! Takes time and patience.
Looks very nice .
I have done metal buildings and tin roofs for years Austin it was always easier for me to screw my sheet all the way down before adding the next one. That way you know where your purlins are. Keep going man you got this looks good
When it comes to adding on to buildings nothing is square but on the ground. Everything shifts after that, you just have to count on what your adding to being off and if your gonna square it up it has to be off the structure on the ground and up top. But like you learned poles have 2 ends. Theres square, plum and level." Spent 12 years as a handyman taking care of other guys honey do lists and made good money, them went full time heavy equipment mechanic and now I'm slowly getting deeper into the welding aspect of my job And that's how I found your channel. But "Experience is what you get when you didn't get what you wanted. And experience is often the most valuable thing you have to offer."
Dont remember where I heard that google will answer that one later but life is full of opportunitys experience new things. Either way, it looks great from here , stay positive and keep at it.
In difficult times, you have to do whatever you can. As long as you’re giving value and quality, it’s all fine. The more you know, the better. That’s true everywhere.
Get a 5 point Lazer. Use it like an upside down plumb Bob. On the ground measure over to where you want it. Then put the Lazer on that spot and shoot the beams. Then go up and measure over to the Lazer beam.. 5point lazers are awesome.
When you miss with a screw the best way to seal the hole is with a stitch screw. Stitch screws are used mainly for stitching the seams together on 26 ga panels with 5ft perlin spacing. The stitch screw is short and has a special shape that will hold tight in just sheet metal.
This ^
You know it’s getting serious when Austin pulls off the starched long sleeve shirt! 👍🇺🇸
Is that Darrell and Billies house? Sure looks like it? Good people! Used to show cattle with their girls as I grew up in cushing too. Keep making the great videos Austin!
I enjoy jobs like that, I build them a dozen times in my head and on paper before getting in to it.
I did sheet metal work for 10 years and enjoy it.
I wouldn’t beat yourself up over this. I think your work looks very good. It doesn’t matter how much thought you put into a job, there is usually something that you didn’t think about! I know with me it is always tougher when your in the air working. Keep up the good work and be safe!
For straight cuts on that metal some large malco metal shears are awesome they make a pair that has a longer handle than most and man does it make it nice.M14A Andy classic 14 inch. If you have some right on if not I promise you will love them. Thanks for the videos👍
so it was a little crooked, and you fixed it. it will happen again don't stress about it, your human. good videos
Like i once heard you say Mr. Ross, Learn Something Every Day! Great job man 👌🏻
I do metal buildings for a living. No metal building is square. You can get it somewhat close but thats it. You can manipulate the sheeting allot to make it match.
Love your work brother.. thanks for your educational video.
Austin, watching this video you’ve reminded me something some years ago bout tin snips. They’re not equal. Tin snips are made for right & left handed guys. You can’t use right handed snips for left handed cuts. Your cuts will never be straight. Ask me how I know this?
I might be wrong but I think drip edge then tin roof then transition strip to kill out the side edge of the tin looks awesome good job stay safe
Daniel from central Mississippi
This man is a true tradesman. I'm a plumber of 20 years. One thing I will say is that it is very hard on the body. But it's made me a very successful happy person. I haven't hit 40 years of age yet either so I can't speak for me being 60 doing this. Here's hoping for another good 20
Takes a big man to admit that they made a mistake. New subscriber and really like your projects. Live and learn.
Thanks for the sub!
Not sure if you got the snips figured out but ithought id mention what ive learned.
Buy midwest brand snips, used to find them at sears but now i just buy online.
Make sure when you are using them that you lean the snips the right direction so the blade is cutting square to the metal i.e. Red lean to the right and greens lean to the left.
Ahhhh the ol' "start straight, end straight" adage. Thanks for the vid!
Your right Austin,that work has it's "tricks of the trade",I interned on 4 metal buildings before I started doing carports and pasture shelters,hay shelters,I stayed away from house contact,I traded welding for learning,I couldn't jump in,your doing great,I never did any sofits,overhead is a lot harder.
Your work looks great don't be hard on yourself it will get easier your a perfectionist you wil figure it out.
Manufacture some merchandise at your home shop, deer stands, car dollys, trailers, sell what you make. Some of these on the road jobs can cost you time and money with little profit, and any work on homes are a risk because home owners are hard to please. For ornamental steel work, order lawler's catalog in Birmingham, AL.
Never a dull moment... always a curveball... it all comes with experience; to quote(paraphrase) you from another video: As you gain experience you will get faster and be better at quoting the jobs next go around. Still strong work. Keep up the great videos!
a good tip for holes if your lucky enough you can find that color of caulk and seal the hole
Nice job! Looks good you should be proud of it
For your first job it turned out amazing pal! I'd be damn proud!
Don’t forget to put closures on the sides if is going to be covered underneath with soffit.
Sounded like you bit off more than you can chew on that one Austin. It looks good though that corner came nice we live and learn we just keep moving forward
That's right. There is a first time for everything
What happened to pipe welding I thought you were a union guy I gave you don't cut it
that in which you persist in doing becomes easier not that the job became easier but your power to do so increased. Looking forward to your next roof job. My roof jobs are getting better now too.
Looks good to me. Been thinking of installing the same thing
You doing a great job I’ve done a lot of building I learn new trick on every one I do.
Stanley Max tin snips are the best snips
I like your trailer. I'm planning on building a trailer. My last one broke and was all rusted. In hindsight I probably should have kept the trailer and made repairs to it. I want to build a trailer a little longer.
regardless of the setbacks i say a job well done brother
don't give up. one always pays for education. but after that there is always more to learn.
Mr Ross. Hasnt anyone ever told you that it is not safe to stand on the very top of a ladder? I believe they reccomend going no farther then 2 steps from the top so you have more stability. You should be using a taller ladder. What are you teaching our children, the welders of tomorrow! Safety first!
Ok now that the safety meeting is over get back up on that ladder and get that project done. And yeah who out there doesnt stand on the top. You use what you bring and adapt whenever possible. By the way I love your videos. Im no welder and will never be that good at it but I feel I am learning stuff from you. Great job, keep it up and learn something every day....even if its not to stand on the top of the ladder!
we all end up learning the hard way on some jobs
You can use a panal saw 60 teeth to cut safit pannels put it on backwards that what thy tought me .we did that for twelve inch pannels.
Turned out great! What a great video! Nice work!
Nice job tin knocking is a trade by itself Structural iron workers do it along with fencing in NJ both special but iron working .
Man I know exactly what you mean about not knowing if you want more jobs like that. I got hired to weld braces and supports on a large carport but instead, the guy is wanting me to do all the carpentry on it as well. Needless to say I've put maybe 2 hours on my machine on this job 🤦♂️
I have taken on several jobs that required using tin and trim. I told myself I am never doing the tin part of the job again, I’ll sub that part out. I have no problem building the structure, I just don’t have the patience to work with it.
hay austin thnx for everything i really love your vids!!!!
I'm so glad and thank you for the support
Your posts on the bottom were square but not plum going up. A laser would have definitely helped. BTW you did a good job. Way to overcome brother.
Love ya Austin keep doing what your doing and god bless ya!!
Everyone makes mistakes if you don't you've become complacent and stopped learning
I had a desire as a young man to go beyond my "trade", and learn as many genre as possible..to the point of rocket science at Kennedy. Still, it is true that sometimes it's better to stick with what you know especially if it pays well.
specialization is for insects. ie the asiatics
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.”
― Robert A. Heinlein
Next one ya do like this put soffit material under first. The the "L" cap will lap under to cover edges...
Midwest Aviation left and right Best snips you can buy in my opinion
They make a saw blade to cut tin. Not sure what it's called. But home depot or lowes has them
When you add to something like coming in off the old structure you can always take for granted the building is square
Man I agree 100%... I’ve built probably 5-6 metal buildings and I’m really going to try to stay away from them. I never really enjoy the process and I’m just not as good as the guys that do them all the time. It’s definitely a different deal than being a welder/fabricator.
Yea, but hey it brings in money sometimes 😬
If they are midwest snips you can return them at menards for a sharper pair- never never never never cut anything round- bailing wire or anything like that with a pair of snips- it will put a knot in the blades and they will never cut metal nicely again. They will go crunch crunch on the small knot in the blades
Nice work
Your inspiering me to start a side hustle
Get your measurements as low as you can so when you make your top cuts they help everything stay square
If one day u need some tips.. get in touch with me.. you look a good person.
Is what I do steel buildings comercial-residential. Also any metal roofing type.
I’m doing this for 21 years.
If I help u, I know u help some one else later is how this works,
I’m 17, homeschooled, and I don’t have access to a free welding class. I want to be a pipeline welder. Should I go to welding school?
I think welding school is a great way to get experience.
Yes you should mine was only a 6 month program and they helped EVERYONE to get a job after or even before you graduate
@@utube4lif3 that’s awesome! I’m definitely going to welding school!
Looks great buddy 👌
Tough to beat zip discs on tin even if you have good tin snips.