Love, love, LOVE HER! Was such an honor and thrill to stand on stage with her at The Laramie Project. She feels and understands so completely the insanity that we deal with everyday and always comes from a place of authenticity and love.
@Roamnfarther8 Wrong. "Building towards tolerance and understanding" is not what "It Gets Better" is about. Whilst that's a desirable side-effect, the project exists specifically to send a clear message to LGBT teens. The message is this: "Your life right now may be tough, perhaps because the society you live in deprecates or marginalizes or trivializes you and the way you feel, or perhaps because you're bullied, or perhaps for religious reasons, but keep going, and your life will get better."
@amylNRG You're doing exactly what Mary McDonnell is doing, but in a more subtle, broad-mindedly liberal way: each time you say "here's what you LGBT people should be doing", you're joining the eternal chorus that says to LGBT people "you're wrong in what you feel, you should do things our way". I know it's difficult for you to see this, but what this project is about is LGBT people validating how many LGBT teens feel. The message is "we've felt what you feel, and life got better for us".
@amylNRG Many people just don't get it: this is NOT an anti-bullying initiative, it's here to address LGBT teens. The aim is to say "Yes, you're gay/lesbian/transgender, and life is tough because of corrosive social attitudes that claim you're worth less than straight people, but you can be strong enough to endure this." When Mary McDonnell can't even bring herself to say the word "gay", she's part of the problem, because she is implicitly saying "gay is so bad I can't even bear to mention it".
@amylNRG LGBT people do not need to be given the message that you are advancing, which has the emotional impact, bluntly put, of "you shouldn't be feeling like this, it's your own fault for not changing society according to the instructions I'll now enunciate". What this project wants to say is something else: "your bad feelings are real, but they're not your fault, and other people who've felt like you have gone on to be happier". Respect that message, don't add your own.
@Roamnfarther8 I absolutely disagree with your position, and with your interpretation of the "It Gets Better" project. First, let me say that I did not suggest that the gay community "tough it out": what I did say was that individuals in tough situations should receive the clear message "keep going, and your life will get better". This is a very different message, and your misinterpretation of what I said is due largely to the fact that you don't appear to understand the context here. .....
@unabomberman I've made my point already, but to make it clearer: the "It Gets Better" project was aimed at LGBT teens. Turning it into a general anti-bullying project weakens the strength of its message. I'm not going to waste any more time on this with you: it's obvious from your choice of nickname that you're not a serious person, or particularly worthy of my time.
@amylNRG Each time someone who isn't LGBT tries to change the project, they are missing the point. You say "for the sake of myself personally" you'd like the project to "reach not only [LGBT teens] but the people around them as well". Fair enough, those are your feelings. But THE PROJECT ISN'T ABOUT YOU, it's about LGBT teens. This is not here for other people's agendas, however worthy. It's here to help LGBT teens manage feelings arising from the social and other pressures they face.
@amylNRG I'm attacking this video because, by failing to explicitly address LGBT teens, it is sending the message "being LGBT is so bad I can't even bring myself to mention it". This is a highly corrosive message. We all disapprove of bullying, but there are plenty of other outlets for that message. "It Gets Better" is for something different. This video damages the project.
@katfam Oh, grow up! The whole point is that she *didn't* speak up for this cause, she spoke up against bullying. "It Gets Better" is about giving young LGBT people images of hope to get them through tough times. One of the worst things that LGBT teens have to deal with is social pressure, and this video adds to that pressure by not even having the courage to address them directly. "It Gets Better" is being hijacked by the "Anti-Bullying" movement, but they, and you, are missing the point.
@amylNRG "Toughing it out" is something you can do with "bullying": you can stand up for yourself, enlist allies, and take a public position opposed to bullying you face. But this isn't what most LGBT teens face: some may be overtly bullied, but what most face is the far more insidious problem of social attitudes. This is one of those areas where, if you're not part of the solution, you really are part of the problem. Let me be explicit: you, personally, Roamnfarther8, are part of the problem.
@amylNRG You are part of the problem because you, like many others, continue to deprecate the idea that there is a specific issue and state of mind, and a specific problem, endured only by LGBT people. You continue to think that the "It Gets Better" project should adopt an expansive stance: you speak of "stimulating change", and reaching out beyond the gay, lesbian and trans communities. This completely misses the point: you're simply saying "if only we were all nicer, things would get better".
Love, love, LOVE HER! Was such an honor and thrill to stand on stage with her at The Laramie Project. She feels and understands so completely the insanity that we deal with everyday and always comes from a place of authenticity and love.
Big love to everyone who supports this, including Mary McDonnell for her warm, compassionate message. *hearts*
Laurel GOODWIN 1942-2022 R.I.P s nagyon hasonlított a páromra akkor még nem ismertem, 38 éve voltunk együtt s hiányzik s nagyon szeretem szerelemmel.
She's a beautiful soul both inside and out. Such an important message and so well said...
What a lovely, eloquent woman!
SO SAY WE ALL Madam President!
Thanks Mary!
My hero! Love her!
You are so wonderful!!
@leestickler Wish I knew her better and was a fan of BSG back then like I am now. She added so much to "The Laramie Project" epilogue.
SO SAY WE ALL!!
SO SAY WE ALL!!!!
my sweetie :))))
@rabbitfish63
Absolutely agree. The "It Gets Better" project is in grave danger of losing sight of its original aims.
So Say We All!
So say we all!
@Roamnfarther8
Wrong. "Building towards tolerance and understanding" is not what "It Gets Better" is about. Whilst that's a desirable side-effect, the project exists specifically to send a clear message to LGBT teens. The message is this:
"Your life right now may be tough, perhaps because the society you live in deprecates or marginalizes or trivializes you and the way you feel, or perhaps because you're bullied, or perhaps for religious reasons, but keep going, and your life will get better."
@leestickler You appeared on stage with her? How wonderful! I'd love to see her on stage
So say will all "captain Sharon Raydor"
So say we all! I can't tell if she is on set or in her office...
De önböl is van hasonmás pozitív értelembe
Mary Mcdonnell
So say we all
@amylNRG
You're doing exactly what Mary McDonnell is doing, but in a more subtle, broad-mindedly liberal way: each time you say "here's what you LGBT people should be doing", you're joining the eternal chorus that says to LGBT people "you're wrong in what you feel, you should do things our way". I know it's difficult for you to see this, but what this project is about is LGBT people validating how many LGBT teens feel. The message is "we've felt what you feel, and life got better for us".
@amylNRG
Many people just don't get it: this is NOT an anti-bullying initiative, it's here to address LGBT teens. The aim is to say "Yes, you're gay/lesbian/transgender, and life is tough because of corrosive social attitudes that claim you're worth less than straight people, but you can be strong enough to endure this." When Mary McDonnell can't even bring herself to say the word "gay", she's part of the problem, because she is implicitly saying "gay is so bad I can't even bear to mention it".
@amylNRG
LGBT people do not need to be given the message that you are advancing, which has the emotional impact, bluntly put, of "you shouldn't be feeling like this, it's your own fault for not changing society according to the instructions I'll now enunciate". What this project wants to say is something else: "your bad feelings are real, but they're not your fault, and other people who've felt like you have gone on to be happier". Respect that message, don't add your own.
Think my hear skipped a couple of beats..
@Roamnfarther8
I absolutely disagree with your position, and with your interpretation of the "It Gets Better" project. First, let me say that I did not suggest that the gay community "tough it out": what I did say was that individuals in tough situations should receive the clear message "keep going, and your life will get better". This is a very different message, and your misinterpretation of what I said is due largely to the fact that you don't appear to understand the context here. .....
@unabomberman
I've made my point already, but to make it clearer: the "It Gets Better" project was aimed at LGBT teens. Turning it into a general anti-bullying project weakens the strength of its message.
I'm not going to waste any more time on this with you: it's obvious from your choice of nickname that you're not a serious person, or particularly worthy of my time.
@amylNRG
Each time someone who isn't LGBT tries to change the project, they are missing the point. You say "for the sake of myself personally" you'd like the project to "reach not only [LGBT teens] but the people around them as well". Fair enough, those are your feelings. But THE PROJECT ISN'T ABOUT YOU, it's about LGBT teens. This is not here for other people's agendas, however worthy. It's here to help LGBT teens manage feelings arising from the social and other pressures they face.
@amylNRG
I'm attacking this video because, by failing to explicitly address LGBT teens, it is sending the message "being LGBT is so bad I can't even bring myself to mention it". This is a highly corrosive message. We all disapprove of bullying, but there are plenty of other outlets for that message. "It Gets Better" is for something different. This video damages the project.
@katfam
Oh, grow up! The whole point is that she *didn't* speak up for this cause, she spoke up against bullying. "It Gets Better" is about giving young LGBT people images of hope to get them through tough times. One of the worst things that LGBT teens have to deal with is social pressure, and this video adds to that pressure by not even having the courage to address them directly. "It Gets Better" is being hijacked by the "Anti-Bullying" movement, but they, and you, are missing the point.
@amylNRG
"Toughing it out" is something you can do with "bullying": you can stand up for yourself, enlist allies, and take a public position opposed to bullying you face. But this isn't what most LGBT teens face: some may be overtly bullied, but what most face is the far more insidious problem of social attitudes. This is one of those areas where, if you're not part of the solution, you really are part of the problem. Let me be explicit: you, personally, Roamnfarther8, are part of the problem.
Made in HUNGÁRIA
Sounds like AmyINRG is a bully!
@amylNRG
You are part of the problem because you, like many others, continue to deprecate the idea that there is a specific issue and state of mind, and a specific problem, endured only by LGBT people. You continue to think that the "It Gets Better" project should adopt an expansive stance: you speak of "stimulating change", and reaching out beyond the gay, lesbian and trans communities. This completely misses the point: you're simply saying "if only we were all nicer, things would get better".