I have spent 2 days searching for answers to this. I only got half answers until the first minute of your video. THANK YOU. I watch a lot of your videos, you do great work.
I rarely comment on anything but I have to say that this is one of the best eurorack/modular tutorials I’ve seen. I have watched and read about this subject exhaustively. Good work! I look forward to more content from you!
Fantastic overview, I would like to point out that those who already have audio interfaces with ADAT Lightpipe, Expert Sleepers has another cv sound card ES-3 mk4 listed for 199$ on Modulargrid and it provides 8 cv outputs. Paired with ES-6 mk2 which offers 8 inputs listed for 155$.
+1 for the ES-8. Bitwig studio can also send CV via the ES-8 to your modular. So that's a great way to get LFO and random CV into your modular without needing to buy a load of CV generating modules straight away.
Excellent video - I have an Expert Sleepers ES4 and an older Motu interface (hybrid ultralite mk3 with S/PDIF connection - for some reason, never got the ES4 to work with my old M-Audio interface) - never really got the Silent Way software and have been wondering how (and if) the module would work with the VCV Rack, a program that has literally changed my life, absolutely amazing! Your video has made the point quite clear - thanks a million for sharing it!
No waaaaay. I had literally just talked myself OUT of getting the ES-8 today, telling myself the capabilities of the MiniBrute 2S I ordered would be enough for a long while. Then you go and release this video. Well done, now I want one more than ever. Also worth noting, the ES-8 and MOTU integrate really nicely with the Reason DAW's CV based Rack environment, especially with two recent Rack Extension releases.
Awesome! What should be mentioned. If you use a DC-Coupled Audio Interface to transmit CV signals you will need a special cable to avoid damaging the interface. A floating ring cable.
Thanks very much! and yes, thank you very much for the floating ring cable comment. I added a card talking about this at the right point in the video, as well as to the description
But do you need a TRS to TS cable out of the audio interface? You seem to use only TS to TS (6,3 to 3,5) cable. Have you noticed any problems with the CV signal sent ? Looking to buy a DC coupled audio interface but I am a bit confused about the cables I should use. Thank you for the demo !
In regard to the V/Oct tracking, MOTU's VOLTA software has an awesome calibration system which also gives you the ability to integrate the software with different systems at the same time, really nice feature.
If you use an audio interface that supports DC offset you can use their outputs as CV outputs for your modular setup as well. The PreSonus Studio 24C is a cheap high quality option.
And I was feeling like the coolest kid in the room getting my ES-8 / ES-3 Reaktor Blocks hybrid going. It really is the coolest thing ever! I especially like using it as a mixing color/texture box. Very easy to send audio tracks/samples into say Verbos Amplitude and Tone Controller, XAOC Belgrad, Optomix, Morphagene, or a Retro Mechanical Labs GPI connected to many flavors of distortion/saturation boxes, some of which have CV control. Taking say a kick (or bass line) from an Ableton drum rack into a Zvex Mastotron while playing with its sub switch and tone knob = massive bass/punch/analog glow. So you also get a powerful reamp/mixing color box setup in addition to a Swiss Army knife of control voltages (you may not yet own in your hardware) to tickle your modules with. Add to that super tight sync that allows you to run your modular alongside your daw with the simplicity and ease of a VST....powerful. Also sending sections of your rhythm tracks to say the Dynmc input on the DYNAMIX to create new rhythms from modular sounds or samples is so easy. It’s really THE best conduit to fluidly integrate all the joys of modular with your DAW production process.
Norman Notes Yes I believe so. Andrew at Expert Sleepers explained to me that it’s just a D.C. coupled audio interface. You can also get inputs from the ADAT.
Yeah! Touchscreen ones with a hardware panel of dccoupled ins and outs. I can virtually see myself patching a hardware module into a slim module to left of the screen and dragging a virtual patch cable from the side of the screen and into a vcvrack module. Woah! I wish I had the skills to do it 😂
Re: scopes. While checking Amazon (other retailers are available) for supplies to make some suitable cables for my AC coupled interface, I came across some really small scopes and scope kits that look like they'd fit in a rack. With a little modification, of course. Only about £20.
It's been years, but here's a quick recommendation. Arturia's X8 Out has DC coupled outputs for retail $300. ES-9 adds more I/O and extra features for $635.
VCV Rack has limited functionality on my late 2014 Mac Mini., but MiRack (VCV Rack for iOS), works great on my iPad. The ES-8 is class compliant, so should work with my iPad. Would be great to use all the great iOS sequencers with my eurorack too. The Polyend Poly 2, is a nice option for $350, that includes MIDI I/O and usb in. Manikin Electronic CV-DAC-8 is an 8-channel audio/CV USB interface eurorack module. It sends both CV and audio signals through two sets of outputs, for $400.
Just thought I'd add an development. Presonus just announced that their new series of USB C interfaces (minus the Studio 24C) have DC Coupled outputs. These seem to be a bit more competitively priced than Motus. Not commenting on the relative quality - I've not worked with either but options are always good! Nice that this seems to be catching on. Modular synthesists of the world rejoice!
I have been sleeping on the Expert Sleepers ES8... pun intended ... but also... damn... This is a ridiculously useful module if you have both hardware modules and VCV.
Thank you for this Information. ES-8 cost 400 Euro =0 Motu 8 cost 777 Euro =0 The ES-4 and ES-3 with ADAT/SPDIF can do well, but only with SilentWay. Arturia Beatstep Pro should also work digital and modular, was not trying all the outputs yet. Also a Audio Interface can CV over the Audio Outputs (in my case Motu UltraLite mk3) can 3,5 - 5,6 Volts over a TRS to TS (ring floating) Cable Type. But i never try that last setting, i dont wanna destroy my Setup or Rack if something going wrong ^^, So there are possibilities choose on...for people who like digital modular more than relalife cable patching, should by the ES-8/4/3. A Eurorack Modularsystem will make u poor and depressiv. Testing analog outputs for control voltage compatibility: motu.com/techsupport/technotes/testing-analog-outputs-for-control-voltage-compatibility
great video! Unfortunately I dont have a modular but I think I will try sequencing VCV Rack with my Digitakt. sounds a like a lot of fun for modular with the trig conditions etc
God this would allow you to not worry about building up enough adsr lfos and utilities (which are important and sometimes awesome when done right) and focus on buying the effects that you want. Makes the whole thing seem less dawnting but I'll still go back and grab hard ware utilities later.
You know what would be really great? Something like this that would let you use VST/AU plugins to process audio from hardware synths.. So you could push the FX send/return from your hardware mixer into say Raum reverb or some other chain of effects from NI or others.
I just saw that you can do this. I was gonna get some hardware FX units to add effects to my hardware synth and use as fx send/return on my mixer.. But now I'll just get this and be able to add all the software effects I have to any of my hardware synths :D
Thanks for an excellent video a really big eye opener... I have Behringer Neutron and Arturia mini brute 2s and are in doubt what Eurorack modules I want to start with, no I know... Thanks a lot
Its like a new world just opened up for me. I don't own Modular, I am not planning to jump down that rabbit hole, but I do have several semi-modulars including the Arturia MiniBrute 2S you are using in this video. I've always used MIDI - but have pre-MIDI legacy synths. Plus I have been using Motu Interfaces for ever - and never knew about "DC-Coupling" I have 828ES and 8PRE-ES - and the manuals don't even mention it - MOTU website does - 8 DC Outputs each only. I got onto this because Synthtopia had an article about Spektro-Audio CV toolkit today. (Do I need it?) And that sent me searching. Motu Volta software does not seem to be around any more - and was for MAC only, and $$$ anyway. Now I have a lot of new things to learn! Fascinating.
Can you elaborate about the latency that the es-8 is introducing? In my experiments with using a Roland aira modular bitrazer as dc coupled Interface (minimal Blocksite 256 Samples) the latency is quite noticable hence it's unusable.When I e.g. send triggers from the modular Hardware to Hardware modules and VCV simultaously the VCV modules get noticebly delayed. Do you have any problem with latency with the es-8?
I would get an ES-8 but I don’t have eurorack - I want it to connect VCV Rack to my Moog semi modular gear. So I’d need a 8hp case which doesn’t seem to exist. Another option perhaps is a Zoia Euroburo, which has 4 in - 4 out that I gather would link hardware and software.
It might also be worth mentioning that if you are on Windows PC you have to use ASIO4all to aggregate sound cards and it only allows 8 channels so if you have a 16 channel and you wish to use both (on Windows) you have to sacrifice 8 channels ( I found out the hard way)
Hi Ziv, I truly enjoy your videos, I have learned a lot of them. I wonder why you haven't mentioned in this one an option like using Reaktor which has dedicated blocks for this very purpose. I'm using them through REM's BabyFace pro interface, which is not DC coupled but sports ADAT in and out that connect with Expert Sleepers ES-3, 6 and 7. I'm sure that VCV and MOTU interface is a cheaper solution but not necessarily better. Anyway, it's less messy with only two optical cables for 8 inputs and 8 outputs.
Hey Radu, thanks for your comment - no particular reason other than the video would be much longer - Reaktor is awesome - I’ll probably do a decidated video about it soon
Have you ever used the ES-8 as an audio out/in without the MOTU? I own one, I love the functionality, but sending audio out, into say the Morphagene, and back to the ES-8 seems to color the sound. While it isn't horrible, it is a noticeable difference in the audio from a synth. I do plan on connecting it via ADAT to a MOTU interface similar to this one, but I was not sure if the ES-8 really was for input / out voltages, rather than audio. Any thoughts? I really do appreciate all of your videos you have helped me tremendously.
What a great video! I'm moving my first steps in the word of integrating modular and digital. I have a Motu Ultralite Mk4 for this purpose, but I didn't start yet: I heard that many people use special "floating ring" cables (TRS to TS with the ring disconnected), to connect the DC coupled interface to their Eurorack modules, but I noticed you use normal TS "mono" patch cables, even with your Motu. Have you ever deepened that topic? I'm still confused if they are necessary or not!
@@loopop I'm wandering if an insert cable (modified with 3.5mm TSs outputs instead 6.3mm ones) can give (in addition to the same result in the mono out connected to the tip) also the utility of an inverted signal on the other output connected to the ring. Theoretically it will. I must give a try :)
Two questions. 1) can we set up some kind of automatic trigger. When loopop reviews something, it automatically deducts my bank account and ships the gear to me? 2) I believe Ableton Live only lets you talk to one audio interface. So if I want to keep my other gear wired in (mics, synths, monitors), while simultaneously using CV tools, etc, then sound card with optical to ES-3 would be a way to accomplish this?
Nice...looking into an old MOTU 828 mk1(much cheaper than expert sleepers ...) if I understand it will only provide DV coupled outputs , not inputs correct ? That would be fine as I only intend to send modulation from Ableton CVTools to my Eurorack....the thing is : can I use two audio interfaces simultaneously in Ableton? My other synths and drum machines would be recorded multitrack through my interface Allen and Heath QU-16 interface.
Hi, thanks for this video, it’s very helpful... I’m thinking about buying the ES-9 and I would like to sai you a question: I see that it’s possibile to use 2 audio devices simoultaneously in VCV Rack... is it possibile in Ableton Live too on MacOS 11, without creating an aggregate device? Or, of not, at least is it possibile to use my main soundcard (MOTU 896) for sound and the ES-9 for MIDI and CV? Would Ableton “CV tools” recognize the ES-9 as a CV output even if in the Live preferences the MOTU is selected as sound source for input and output? Thank you very much!
@@dreamspyiceland I wrote directly at Expert Sleepers support, and they answered me that no, it’s not possible and you need to make an aggregate device.
Could one use, say, the inputs and outputs on a Scarlett 18i20 to create the same virtualhardware patching? Or is there something special about the ES-8 over normal interfaces?
Loopop, I'm full of questions lately, but am taking my first Eurorack steps in my defense! My Q here (I can't find this video in my Patreon archive) is, are the ES-8 and MOTU still the best games in town for bridging in this way, 2 years on? I am on the verge with the ES-8 but also eyeing the ES-9 and FH-2 with some confusion... And then just discovered the S.B.G in your CV to MIDI tutorial! Daunting. Appreciate any quick pointers or tips for most flexible first steps. Probably depends on what I am trying to achieve.
Thanks for your support! MOTU never was the only game in town, there are quite a few other companies with DC coupled outs. ES-8 and ES-9 indeed are the only ones to my knowledge with DC coupled inputs. SBG is for audio and FH-2 MIDI to CV
Could you use the 1010 Music Blackbox with these virtual racks? Would be cool if it works and expand the setup with semi modular or Eurorack over time with Pittsburgh Modular Lifeforms SV-1 Blackbox, Moog Minitaur, Make Noise O-Coast, etc
Dude, love your videos. This could use a new update now that VCV rack is even more capable with CV-to-MIDI (including CV-to-CC) capabilities. Something like pairing this with a Novation Peak could possibly create some really interesting results. Worth looking into I think. The downside would be having to forward stuff from CCs to NRPNs because vcvrack currently doesn't handle nrpns on its own, and well ranges are a mess too. But I guess MIDI-OX or MIDI Pipe could be a solution for that. Something I myself am looking into. #MakeEverythingModular? heh kinda. I guess there are module opportunities there if people want to facilitate that too.
I was saving for the BitBox ( love the switchable firmware), and now I want that ES-8 ! Your channel will be the end of me...You should look at Oscillot by MaxForCats in Ableton. Less CPU intensive, less shiny and no popular eurorack recreation but very intuitive and powerfull. Thanks for this episode, looking forward for a new one (as my banker) !
Can someone tell me... Can vcv rack be used as an (vst?) instrument inside a daw (Studio One) on the same daw pc? Or is it better to have vcv running on a separate pc? Thanks
It can't currently be used as a VST - it's only standalone software. There are bridge plans for the future and workarounds as well but I haven't studied that - please check the VCV Rack group on facebook - plenty of people have tips for that there
I'm confused yet still learning. At 9:22 you have: 1.)input from softtube going to input of "Multiple". Why is an output not going to the input of "Multiple"? Like how does an input push another input?
You sir are awesome! I have been trying to figure this out for the longest adn now I knwo what to do. Quick question how do you decide beterrn ES-3,ES-6 and ES-8? Is it the same thing with more i/o?
Shrey Sharma thanks! I think you start with the ES-8 and expand it with the ES-5/6 but I suggest you email expert sleepers to get advice for your particular needs. Enjoy!
ES-8 = ES-3 + ES-6 + USB. I.e. you need optical adat cable to the ES-3, and optical adat cable from ES-6, into any audio interface that has ADAT IO. The ES-8 however is a fully stand-alone audio interface...
Thank you again for this great video. This might not pertain to this video, but do you think sending Audio from Bitwig (say Sample Libraries sampled from original instruments & Key Mapped Multi Layers) to External CV Modules, using a DC coupled Audio interface, ES-9, with multiple ins and outs, would really give these VST type instruments a more analog, rich sounding tone, like a well designed synthesizer, or staying ITB is just as good. I am just thinking of the computer, daw as a big Digital Data(infinite storage) center, but it being controlled by CV, to give it a bigger and complex sound. I hope that makes sense, something like the older Emu samplers would give us back some decades ago. Thank You!
Does your ES-8 still work with VCV Rack? I just got one, it works with everything except VCV Rack. Sending CV from Rack into my hardware works fine but I'm having difficulty with the other way around.
I want to use my DAW(Ableton) as my sound source to send the audio from the DAW into the "ES-9" via USB to one of the "ES-9" outputs, from there to a filter module for example a "Doepfer A-106-5 SEM Filter", and from the "Doepfer A-106-5 SEM Filter", back to one of the "ES-9" inputs, back to the DAW via USB. My goal is to give digital sound a warmth character through modular filter modules Is that possible? Greetz
the best way of mixing both is just usin an external mixer a Sync Gen from innerclock or similar system for sync all your hardware and your go lot cheaper, (no interchanganble cv signal but for what the hell do you want that?), if you monitor through your DSP sound card no latency and all is OK, that´s my advise, cheers
Is there a consensus now for Eurorack to VCV Rack what is the best ES-9 or the Motu 8A? I'm in need now and after reading and watching I don't know where to go. Is latency and issue with both? do both provide seamless audio and CV back and forth between VCV rack and hardware Eurorack? Seems both of these had some isssues.. Help!
You should do a vid on how to integrate further in terms of how to add the extra virtual HP to your rack system. It's really cool how you can show the full patch virtual or hardware, cause that makes sense if you're combining video production's potential with hardware/software hybridization like this. Like... How did you set this up so well?
just an idea: How could a BeagleBoneBlack board with a 7"-Touchscreen be integrated as a computer in a portable Eurorack (mounting, power supply, USB I/O)?
Does the es8 have to be the main audio interface if used in a Daw? Or can you send and receive through a plug-in I.e VCV? I have an pro audio interface and want to send audio in/out and also control Modular in a daw with a es8?
Thanks! You may not need physical modules at all :) that said I think what limits me most about VCV is lack of physical controls (you can map midi controllers to parameters that have cv in but not all do) - so I would go for modules that are knob/slider heavy (for example Elements or Stages from Mutable have a lot of hands on control options - assuming those modules interest you). Or modules that don’t exist in VCV or analog modules that may not behave or sound the same, of course
That's what I thought! For now I went for a Theremin A178, pedal input A177 and Mutable Instruments Ears. Next is a Midi Thing. I intend to build my own Solenoid and Servo, since Bastl's are somewhat expensive and limited. Though all of this fills up the ES-8 quite quickly.
FilchMedia thanks! I use a white marker I bought from a local art store - I haven’t tried white out but I imagine it would start leaving crumbs quickly. Mine is called “Leto paint marker” and works quite nicely - not sure if it’s a known brand or anything and careful when you shake it - keep the cap on or wear white clothes ;)
Yah, I didn't think whiteout would have been the best choice either over time, which is why I was asking. A paint marker sounds obvious now. Thanks for info!
@@loopop Thanks so much for the reply! I was hoping the hermod would be able to take care of my needs from the es-8 and give me all the sequencing power it has along with it but it seems like I need to decide if the sequencing power or a hybrid system is a larger priority for me
Yeah, it’s a problem. Hermod is truly a powerful modular brain and ES-8 is “just” an audio interface, but if you’re planning a hybrid VCV setup then ES-8 is essential
loopop Well that was just so simple that I feel silly for asking now haha! Bought the Moog Matriarch last week and am IN LOVE!!! Your videos are great, thank you 👍
hello... Help... I just purchased an ES-9 and want to use it with vcv rack. My experiments have me confused. vcv to es-9 works great... physical rack to es-9 to vcv is not working.. I am using the free vcv. Do I need to purchase the PRO version to take full advantage? I can't find the answer anywhere.. :(
awesome...watched this video earlier but now, as I looking into the ES-8, comes in very handy... but: if already having an audio interface (Qu-16 Allen and Heath), what DAW can manage handling two interfaces simultaneously ? Or the Es-8 would work “separately” in such a situation?
thanks for this great video again, if I may ask again :-) , if I connect the es8 via adat to my audio interface, (for example presonus 1810c), do I need my daw, or does the audio, (produced by vcv in this case) from the es8 comes out straight through the audio interface to my mixer/speakers. With vcv/windows I cannot use two audio core modules in vcv with two different audio interfaces, so I want to use adat, but not also my daw with that, thx
Hey bro on your softube is an in and output but i have only 10 outputs but not an input on my Softube Modular. Why ? How must i do that i have an input too. What i am doing wrong ? Please answer me !?? Thank you !
I have spent 2 days searching for answers to this. I only got half answers until the first minute of your video. THANK YOU. I watch a lot of your videos, you do great work.
I rarely comment on anything but I have to say that this is one of the best eurorack/modular tutorials I’ve seen. I have watched and read about this subject exhaustively. Good work! I look forward to more content from you!
J Mac thanks and I appreciate you taking the time to write this ;)
Would love to hear your "updated" thoughts on the es-9
Fantastic overview, I would like to point out that those who already have audio interfaces with ADAT Lightpipe, Expert Sleepers has another cv sound card ES-3 mk4 listed for 199$ on Modulargrid and it provides 8 cv outputs. Paired with ES-6 mk2 which offers 8 inputs listed for 155$.
so is that a better way to connect the two? adat?
@@HenricWallmark if you already have an audio interface with an ADAT connection then it is a more economic solution.
@@gunnarwaage4343 cool, thank you!
+1 for the ES-8. Bitwig studio can also send CV via the ES-8 to your modular. So that's a great way to get LFO and random CV into your modular without needing to buy a load of CV generating modules straight away.
This is really one of the best modules to buy first, I recently bought the ES-3 and I love it.
I was thinking of the ES-3 to go with my Saffire Pro 26 audio interface. Can you still get audio out to the modular usinf es3 or do you need an es-8?
@@onelittleatlas5645 I don't use them to get audio out. I like to use a mixing desk and RME interface for that.
Excellent video - I have an Expert Sleepers ES4 and an older Motu interface (hybrid ultralite mk3 with S/PDIF connection - for some reason, never got the ES4 to work with my old M-Audio interface) - never really got the Silent Way software and have been wondering how (and if) the module would work with the VCV Rack, a program that has literally changed my life, absolutely amazing! Your video has made the point quite clear - thanks a million for sharing it!
Oh no! More expense. I thought I had my modular rig pretty much sorted but I have space and the es8 looks great. Another great video. Thank you.
No waaaaay. I had literally just talked myself OUT of getting the ES-8 today, telling myself the capabilities of the MiniBrute 2S I ordered would be enough for a long while. Then you go and release this video. Well done, now I want one more than ever.
Also worth noting, the ES-8 and MOTU integrate really nicely with the Reason DAW's CV based Rack environment, especially with two recent Rack Extension releases.
I think getting the Minibrute 2s and a few modules should keep one busy for a while.
I was looking into integrating this with Reason since it is what I use. Which two extensions you meant? Thanks.
Awesome!
What should be mentioned.
If you use a DC-Coupled Audio Interface to transmit CV signals you will need a special cable to avoid damaging the interface.
A floating ring cable.
Thanks very much! and yes, thank you very much for the floating ring cable comment. I added a card talking about this at the right point in the video, as well as to the description
But do you need a TRS to TS cable out of the audio interface? You seem to use only TS to TS (6,3 to 3,5) cable. Have you noticed any problems with the CV signal sent ? Looking to buy a DC coupled audio interface but I am a bit confused about the cables I should use. Thank you for the demo !
PLEASE do a review of the es-9
In regard to the V/Oct tracking, MOTU's VOLTA software has an awesome calibration system which also gives you the ability to integrate the software with different systems at the same time, really nice feature.
This is so exciting. Combing this with max for live and DIY modules makes it possible to make such interesting patches without selling your car.
This might be the coolest (synth) thing I’ve ever seen in my life
If you use an audio interface that supports DC offset you can use their outputs as CV outputs for your modular setup as well. The PreSonus Studio 24C is a cheap high quality option.
You are my hero, Loopop! I have spent enough on my hardware. Time to find it all some software. Thanks.
And I was feeling like the coolest kid in the room getting my ES-8 / ES-3 Reaktor Blocks hybrid going. It really is the coolest thing ever!
I especially like using it as a mixing color/texture box. Very easy to send audio tracks/samples into say Verbos Amplitude and Tone Controller, XAOC Belgrad, Optomix, Morphagene, or a Retro Mechanical Labs GPI connected to many flavors of distortion/saturation boxes, some of which have CV control. Taking say a kick (or bass line) from an Ableton drum rack into a Zvex Mastotron while playing with its sub switch and tone knob = massive bass/punch/analog glow. So you also get a powerful reamp/mixing color box setup in addition to a Swiss Army knife of control voltages (you may not yet own in your hardware) to tickle your modules with. Add to that super tight sync that allows you to run your modular alongside your daw with the simplicity and ease of a VST....powerful.
Also sending sections of your rhythm tracks to say the Dynmc input on the DYNAMIX to create new rhythms from modular sounds or samples is so easy. It’s really THE best conduit to fluidly integrate all the joys of modular with your DAW production process.
Is the ES-8 able to accept audio line level back into your daw? Thanks.
Norman Notes Yes I believe so. Andrew at Expert Sleepers explained to me that it’s just a D.C. coupled audio interface. You can also get inputs from the ADAT.
they got to start making eurorackable 84 hp monitors
Yeah! Touchscreen ones with a hardware panel of dccoupled ins and outs. I can virtually see myself patching a hardware module into a slim module to left of the screen and dragging a virtual patch cable from the side of the screen and into a vcvrack module. Woah! I wish I had the skills to do it 😂
Touch monitor with Pen and surface puck support would be nice :)
Re: scopes. While checking Amazon (other retailers are available) for supplies to make some suitable cables for my AC coupled interface, I came across some really small scopes and scope kits that look like they'd fit in a rack. With a little modification, of course. Only about £20.
valuable tutorial for those of us who unable to afford complete modular hardware. Thank you
Ammanuel Tekeste yes that was the purpose, thanks for the comment
You deserve a commission for the ES-8 I am about to purchase.
god bless you!!!!! i didnt know Expert Sleepers Es-8, and it's really the best module to link VCV Rack to a eurorack modular, thank you very much!!!!
Riccardo Guarino you’re welcome, my pleasure!
Wow so cool the rabbit hole is huge
Hey man, great quality videos! Thanks for being so professional, keep it up.
Thanks
Thanks very much!
Other mentions: Reaktor Blocks, Audulus 3
Slipper slope is right! Easier not to start. (Too late for me but this is a warning.)
It's been years, but here's a quick recommendation. Arturia's X8 Out has DC coupled outputs for retail $300. ES-9 adds more I/O and extra features for $635.
Yes going back and forward is very exciting
Brilliant, very necessary video! THANK you for posting this!!
Would you be able to do a video on how to integrate the Minibrute 2s with Bitwig?
VCV Rack has limited functionality on my late 2014 Mac Mini., but MiRack (VCV Rack for iOS), works great on my iPad.
The ES-8 is class compliant, so should work with my iPad.
Would be great to use all the great iOS sequencers with my eurorack too.
The Polyend Poly 2, is a nice option for $350, that includes MIDI I/O and usb in.
Manikin Electronic CV-DAC-8 is an 8-channel audio/CV USB interface eurorack module. It sends both CV and audio signals through two sets of outputs, for $400.
Just thought I'd add an development. Presonus just announced that their new series of USB C interfaces (minus the Studio 24C) have DC Coupled outputs.
These seem to be a bit more competitively priced than Motus. Not commenting on the relative quality - I've not worked with either but options are always good!
Nice that this seems to be catching on. Modular synthesists of the world rejoice!
This is exactly what I’ve done and it works brilliantly.
too cool! very useful showing how to mix the mini brute 2s with VCV rack software and computer
I have been sleeping on the Expert Sleepers ES8... pun intended ... but also... damn... This is a ridiculously useful module if you have both hardware modules and VCV.
Thank you for this Information.
ES-8 cost 400 Euro =0
Motu 8 cost 777 Euro =0
The ES-4 and ES-3 with ADAT/SPDIF can do well, but only with SilentWay.
Arturia Beatstep Pro should also work digital and modular, was not trying all the outputs yet.
Also a Audio Interface can CV over the Audio Outputs (in my case Motu UltraLite mk3) can 3,5 - 5,6 Volts over a TRS to TS (ring floating) Cable Type.
But i never try that last setting, i dont wanna destroy my Setup or Rack if something going wrong ^^,
So there are possibilities choose on...for people who like digital modular more than relalife cable patching, should by the ES-8/4/3. A Eurorack Modularsystem will make u poor and depressiv.
Testing analog outputs for control voltage compatibility:
motu.com/techsupport/technotes/testing-analog-outputs-for-control-voltage-compatibility
you are a theremin maestro now mate
great video! Unfortunately I dont have a modular but I think I will try sequencing VCV Rack with my Digitakt. sounds a like a lot of fun for modular with the trig conditions etc
Thanks and indeed!
Great as usual … thanks again!
very helpful video, thanks!
btw did you know that in vsv all cables are stacking cables so you don't need all these mults?
cellbiol thanks! Crap man now I do
God this would allow you to not worry about building up enough adsr lfos and utilities (which are important and sometimes awesome when done right) and focus on buying the effects that you want. Makes the whole thing seem less dawnting but I'll still go back and grab hard ware utilities later.
great! I bought a expert sleepers es-8! could you make also a video about ableton cv tools?
Perhaps in the future!
Nice demo!! ES8 is on my list!
looking forward to your es-9 review
Thanks! I don't think I'll make one.. but I'll try to cover a bit more of it next modular video
You know what would be really great? Something like this that would let you use VST/AU plugins to process audio from hardware synths.. So you could push the FX send/return from your hardware mixer into say Raum reverb or some other chain of effects from NI or others.
I just saw that you can do this. I was gonna get some hardware FX units to add effects to my hardware synth and use as fx send/return on my mixer.. But now I'll just get this and be able to add all the software effects I have to any of my hardware synths :D
Thanks for an excellent video a really big eye opener... I have Behringer Neutron and Arturia mini brute 2s and are in doubt what Eurorack modules I want to start with, no I know...
Thanks a lot
Im happy with my N.I. Komplete Audio 6 rmk 2 with dc coupled.
Nice. The es8 is pretty genius
Unifono2012 thanks!
Its like a new world just opened up for me. I don't own Modular, I am not planning to jump down that rabbit hole, but I do have several semi-modulars including the Arturia MiniBrute 2S you are using in this video. I've always used MIDI - but have pre-MIDI legacy synths. Plus I have been using Motu Interfaces for ever - and never knew about "DC-Coupling" I have 828ES and 8PRE-ES - and the manuals don't even mention it - MOTU website does - 8 DC Outputs each only. I got onto this because Synthtopia had an article about Spektro-Audio CV toolkit today. (Do I need it?) And that sent me searching. Motu Volta software does not seem to be around any more - and was for MAC only, and $$$ anyway. Now I have a lot of new things to learn! Fascinating.
This was a very good presentation.
thanks!
Can you elaborate about the latency that the es-8 is introducing? In my experiments with using a Roland aira modular bitrazer as dc coupled Interface (minimal Blocksite 256 Samples) the latency is quite noticable hence it's unusable.When I e.g. send triggers from the modular Hardware to Hardware modules and VCV simultaously the VCV modules get noticebly delayed. Do you have any problem with latency with the es-8?
Great video!
Thanks for this i was wondering lately how i can control my VCV with software and hardware
I would get an ES-8 but I don’t have eurorack - I want it to connect VCV Rack to my Moog semi modular gear. So I’d need a 8hp case which doesn’t seem to exist. Another option perhaps is a Zoia Euroburo, which has 4 in - 4 out that I gather would link hardware and software.
ES-8 is still an underrated module.
Ace. I need to integrate VCV Rack with my new hardware modular system.
It might also be worth mentioning that if you are on Windows PC you have to use ASIO4all to aggregate sound cards and it only allows 8 channels so if you have a 16 channel and you wish to use both (on Windows) you have to sacrifice 8 channels ( I found out the hard way)
Hi Ziv, I truly enjoy your videos, I have learned a lot of them. I wonder why you haven't mentioned in this one an option like using Reaktor which has dedicated blocks for this very purpose. I'm using them through REM's BabyFace pro interface, which is not DC coupled but sports ADAT in and out that connect with Expert Sleepers ES-3, 6 and 7. I'm sure that VCV and MOTU interface is a cheaper solution but not necessarily better. Anyway, it's less messy with only two optical cables for 8 inputs and 8 outputs.
Hey Radu, thanks for your comment - no particular reason other than the video would be much longer - Reaktor is awesome - I’ll probably do a decidated video about it soon
Have you ever used the ES-8 as an audio out/in without the MOTU? I own one, I love the functionality, but sending audio out, into say the Morphagene, and back to the ES-8 seems to color the sound. While it isn't horrible, it is a noticeable difference in the audio from a synth. I do plan on connecting it via ADAT to a MOTU interface similar to this one, but I was not sure if the ES-8 really was for input / out voltages, rather than audio. Any thoughts? I really do appreciate all of your videos you have helped me tremendously.
Thanks very much! ES-8 certainly works for audio but honestly I've not done a thorough A/B comparison of its converters to those on the MOTU
What a great video! I'm moving my first steps in the word of integrating modular and digital. I have a Motu Ultralite Mk4 for this purpose, but I didn't start yet: I heard that many people use special "floating ring" cables (TRS to TS with the ring disconnected), to connect the DC coupled interface to their Eurorack modules, but I noticed you use normal TS "mono" patch cables, even with your Motu. Have you ever deepened that topic? I'm still confused if they are necessary or not!
Motu say they are necessary - I added a comment in the description to that effect as well. I works but can be harmful over time I’m told
@@loopop I'm wandering if an insert cable (modified with 3.5mm TSs outputs instead 6.3mm ones) can give (in addition to the same result in the mono out connected to the tip) also the utility of an inverted signal on the other output connected to the ring. Theoretically it will. I must give a try :)
Two questions. 1) can we set up some kind of automatic trigger. When loopop reviews something, it automatically deducts my bank account and ships the gear to me?
2) I believe Ableton Live only lets you talk to one audio interface. So if I want to keep my other gear wired in (mics, synths, monitors), while simultaneously using CV tools, etc, then sound card with optical to ES-3 would be a way to accomplish this?
Nice...looking into an old MOTU 828 mk1(much cheaper than expert sleepers ...)
if I understand it will only provide DV coupled outputs , not inputs correct ? That would be fine as I only intend to send modulation from Ableton CVTools to my Eurorack....the thing is : can I use two audio interfaces simultaneously in Ableton? My other synths and drum machines would be recorded multitrack through my interface Allen and Heath QU-16 interface.
Hi, thanks for this video, it’s very helpful... I’m thinking about buying the ES-9 and I would like to sai you a question:
I see that it’s possibile to use 2 audio devices simoultaneously in VCV Rack... is it possibile in Ableton Live too on MacOS 11, without creating an aggregate device? Or, of not, at least is it possibile to use my main soundcard (MOTU 896) for sound and the ES-9 for MIDI and CV? Would Ableton “CV tools” recognize the ES-9 as a CV output even if in the Live preferences the MOTU is selected as sound source for input and output?
Thank you very much!
+1 on that question.
@@dreamspyiceland I wrote directly at Expert Sleepers support, and they answered me that no, it’s not possible and you need to make an aggregate device.
Could one use, say, the inputs and outputs on a Scarlett 18i20 to create the same virtualhardware patching? Or is there something special about the ES-8 over normal interfaces?
Loopop, I'm full of questions lately, but am taking my first Eurorack steps in my defense! My Q here (I can't find this video in my Patreon archive) is, are the ES-8 and MOTU still the best games in town for bridging in this way, 2 years on? I am on the verge with the ES-8 but also eyeing the ES-9 and FH-2 with some confusion... And then just discovered the S.B.G in your CV to MIDI tutorial! Daunting. Appreciate any quick pointers or tips for most flexible first steps. Probably depends on what I am trying to achieve.
Thanks for your support! MOTU never was the only game in town, there are quite a few other companies with DC coupled outs. ES-8 and ES-9 indeed are the only ones to my knowledge with DC coupled inputs. SBG is for audio and FH-2 MIDI to CV
Could you use the 1010 Music Blackbox with these virtual racks? Would be cool if it works and expand the setup with semi modular or Eurorack over time with Pittsburgh Modular Lifeforms SV-1 Blackbox, Moog Minitaur, Make Noise O-Coast, etc
Thank you very much!
Great video! Any news on whether or not VCV Rack supports multi touch screen monitor usage?
where to get these cables?
Very helpful, thanks!
Dude, love your videos. This could use a new update now that VCV rack is even more capable with CV-to-MIDI (including CV-to-CC) capabilities. Something like pairing this with a Novation Peak could possibly create some really interesting results. Worth looking into I think. The downside would be having to forward stuff from CCs to NRPNs because vcvrack currently doesn't handle nrpns on its own, and well ranges are a mess too. But I guess MIDI-OX or MIDI Pipe could be a solution for that. Something I myself am looking into. #MakeEverythingModular? heh kinda.
I guess there are module opportunities there if people want to facilitate that too.
I was saving for the BitBox ( love the switchable firmware), and now I want that ES-8 ! Your channel will be the end of me...You should look at Oscillot by MaxForCats in Ableton. Less CPU intensive, less shiny and no popular eurorack recreation but very intuitive and powerfull. Thanks for this episode, looking forward for a new one (as my banker) !
16:47 I like that sound
Hello, great video about es-8, ultra clear. Do you believe it's possible to pilot Touchdesigner with expert-sleepers CV ?
Can someone tell me... Can vcv rack be used as an (vst?) instrument inside a daw (Studio One) on the same daw pc? Or is it better to have vcv running on a separate pc? Thanks
It can't currently be used as a VST - it's only standalone software. There are bridge plans for the future and workarounds as well but I haven't studied that - please check the VCV Rack group on facebook - plenty of people have tips for that there
Thanks!
But you could still have them running on the same computer.
that would be awesome to have the ability to use it from a DAW like Ableton to give virtual modular to laptop Ableton rigs.
They just added this in VCV Rack 0.6.0.
I'm confused yet still learning.
At 9:22 you have:
1.)input from softtube going to input of "Multiple". Why is an output not going to the input of "Multiple"?
Like how does an input push another input?
Another question:
Do the virtual eurorack plug ins work with Reason?
Wow this looks like a really great setup but is it still relevant 6 years later? Is there a better way now to get into modular and bridge vcv rack?
The principles are the same; both expert sleepers and other companies have introduced newer/competing products with more ports/features
You sir are awesome! I have been trying to figure this out for the longest adn now I knwo what to do. Quick question how do you decide beterrn ES-3,ES-6 and ES-8? Is it the same thing with more i/o?
Shrey Sharma thanks! I think you start with the ES-8 and expand it with the ES-5/6 but I suggest you email expert sleepers to get advice for your particular needs. Enjoy!
ES-8 = ES-3 + ES-6 + USB. I.e. you need optical adat cable to the ES-3, and optical adat cable from ES-6, into any audio interface that has ADAT IO. The ES-8 however is a fully stand-alone audio interface...
I think I will go for the ES3 + ES6 cheaper, need to swap my audio interface for one that supports ADAT, more inputs, more power
Thank you again for this great video. This might not pertain to this video, but do you think sending Audio from Bitwig (say Sample Libraries sampled from original instruments & Key Mapped Multi Layers) to External CV Modules, using a DC coupled Audio interface, ES-9, with multiple ins and outs, would really give these VST type instruments a more analog, rich sounding tone, like a well designed synthesizer, or staying ITB is just as good. I am just thinking of the computer, daw as a big Digital Data(infinite storage) center, but it being controlled by CV, to give it a bigger and complex sound. I hope that makes sense, something like the older Emu samplers would give us back some decades ago. Thank You!
Does your ES-8 still work with VCV Rack? I just got one, it works with everything except VCV Rack. Sending CV from Rack into my hardware works fine but I'm having difficulty with the other way around.
I want to use my DAW(Ableton) as my sound source to send the audio from the DAW
into the "ES-9" via USB to one of the "ES-9" outputs,
from there to a filter module for example a "Doepfer A-106-5 SEM Filter",
and from the "Doepfer A-106-5 SEM Filter",
back to one of the "ES-9" inputs,
back to the DAW via USB.
My goal is to give digital sound a warmth character through modular filter modules
Is that possible?
Greetz
the best way of mixing both is just usin an external mixer a Sync Gen from innerclock or similar system for sync all your hardware and your go lot cheaper, (no interchanganble cv signal but for what the hell do you want that?), if you monitor through your DSP sound card no latency and all is OK, that´s my advise, cheers
Is there a consensus now for Eurorack to VCV Rack what is the best ES-9 or the Motu 8A? I'm in need now and after reading and watching I don't know where to go. Is latency and issue with both? do both provide seamless audio and CV back and forth between VCV rack and hardware Eurorack? Seems both of these had some isssues.. Help!
The Disting Mk4 also works well.
Disting costs a lot less than es8 I think.
How would you go about this? Disting doesn't ha e usb
You should do a vid on how to integrate further in terms of how to add the extra virtual HP to your rack system. It's really cool how you can show the full patch virtual or hardware, cause that makes sense if you're combining video production's potential with hardware/software hybridization like this.
Like... How did you set this up so well?
Thanks! The magic of video editing :)
I wonder if an older audio interface like the M-Audio Delta 66 would work ?
just an idea: How could a BeagleBoneBlack board with a 7"-Touchscreen be integrated as a computer in a portable Eurorack (mounting, power supply, USB I/O)?
Does the es8 have to be the main audio interface if used in a Daw? Or can you send and receive through a plug-in I.e VCV?
I have an pro audio interface and want to send audio in/out and also control Modular in a daw with a es8?
Excellent tutorial and showcase for this hybrid setup. But now my question is: which physical modules make sense to add to VCVrack (on a budget)?
Thanks! You may not need physical modules at all :) that said I think what limits me most about VCV is lack of physical controls (you can map midi controllers to parameters that have cv in but not all do) - so I would go for modules that are knob/slider heavy (for example Elements or Stages from Mutable have a lot of hands on control options - assuming those modules interest you). Or modules that don’t exist in VCV or analog modules that may not behave or sound the same, of course
That's what I thought! For now I went for a Theremin A178, pedal input A177 and Mutable Instruments Ears. Next is a Midi Thing. I intend to build my own Solenoid and Servo, since Bastl's are somewhat expensive and limited. Though all of this fills up the ES-8 quite quickly.
Cool! Love the theramin! Yes, you run out of jacks quickly, especially inputs, but ES have an expander that gives you 8 more
Hi great video, one question if I may? Does the soft tube modular work with the es8?
Should work if I remember correctly! I believe I discuss it in this video but it has been a while
@@loopop I could not think of a reason it would not work, but with you using the motu it made me wonder.
Try connecting the es8 to the MOTU via optical/ADAT
I like your method of cable labeling with the white dots vs bulky sticky labels from a label maker. Is that just whiteout or something else?
FilchMedia thanks! I use a white marker I bought from a local art store - I haven’t tried white out but I imagine it would start leaving crumbs quickly. Mine is called “Leto paint marker” and works quite nicely - not sure if it’s a known brand or anything and careful when you shake it - keep the cap on or wear white clothes ;)
Yah, I didn't think whiteout would have been the best choice either over time, which is why I was asking. A paint marker sounds obvious now. Thanks for info!
Would you be able to use a Hermod for this purpose as well?
Hermod is midi to cv, so it would work for notes from a pc to modular but not a completely transparent back and forth hybrid setup
@@loopop Thanks so much for the reply! I was hoping the hermod would be able to take care of my needs from the es-8 and give me all the sequencing power it has along with it but it seems like I need to decide if the sequencing power or a hybrid system is a larger priority for me
Yeah, it’s a problem. Hermod is truly a powerful modular brain and ES-8 is “just” an audio interface, but if you’re planning a hybrid VCV setup then ES-8 is essential
What do you use to put the dots on your cables to label them? I like the white dots method!
I got a white marker at an art shop
loopop Well that was just so simple that I feel silly for asking now haha! Bought the Moog Matriarch last week and am IN LOVE!!! Your videos are great, thank you 👍
Great video and hugely useful. How did you do the video screen insert for the virtual devices? Very effective.
Thanks! Just an overlay layer in Premiere
hello... Help... I just purchased an ES-9 and want to use it with vcv rack. My experiments have me confused. vcv to es-9 works great... physical rack to es-9 to vcv is not working.. I am using the free vcv. Do I need to purchase the PRO version to take full advantage? I can't find the answer anywhere.. :(
awesome...watched this video earlier but now, as I looking into the ES-8, comes in very handy... but: if already having an audio interface (Qu-16 Allen and Heath), what DAW can manage handling two interfaces simultaneously ? Or the Es-8 would work “separately” in such a situation?
on a Mac you can configure an aggregate device with two interfaces. ES also have output extension modules for regular interfaces.
loopop thank you
thanks for this great video again, if I may ask again :-) , if I connect the es8 via adat to my audio interface, (for example presonus 1810c), do I need my daw, or does the audio, (produced by vcv in this case) from the es8 comes out straight through the audio interface to my mixer/speakers. With vcv/windows I cannot use two audio core modules in vcv with two different audio interfaces, so I want to use adat, but not also my daw with that, thx
Hey bro on your softube is an in and output but i have only 10 outputs but not an input on my Softube Modular. Why ? How must i do that i have an input too. What i am doing wrong ? Please answer me !?? Thank you !