That's the video I've been searching for so long. People always talk about best combos and ‘base game changing operators’ but somehow the concepts about what to do, when those operators are recovering is seemingly never mentioned anywhere. Especially early switching and staggering sounds like easy concepts in retrospect but doesn't come to mind intuitively. Probably will still stay in the ‘taking appropriate operators but neglect actual combos’ group because niche-y account and not gonna E1 or E2 for base only - but just knowing what is possible is a huge help. Thank you!
You need to mention there are some of certain combo that cant be staggering. Such as "tequila shamare bibeak" you cant change just change shamare or tequila for other..
I leave that for people to intuitively understand that, as long as you understand numbers are to be kept high, you would figure that certain 3-operator combos are hard-linked and shouldn't be cracked open.
@@sweetdreams5454 Yea, especially when they would drain 0.65 morale per hours (assuming that you have 5 operators in the command center) that would mean they would last a little over 36 hours with full morale. Adding the fact that Fiammetta only need 12 hours to fully charge her morale, it make it easy to rotate Shamare and Bibeak every so often just to keep at least one of their skill ramped up.
@@kukkikaze I think you should mention that especially for veteran players who have a lot of 3 operator combos, you can stagger the whole team instead of a single operator. E.g for 2 trading posts, you only need 3 good combos (instead of 4) where each team works for 24hrs and you rotate one team every 12 hours. Since you are checking in twice a day anyway, this lines up nicely for staggering without too much micromanaging.
Tbh, most of the stuff is pretty self explanatory for me, but what makes me stumble is understanding weird stuff like Rosmontis, and no, it is not easy to see how much she does, because there are so many different operators in different parts of the base that add to that, that I gave up after a while.
Rosmontis and Mr. Nothing are both operators that do require a lot of operators to make work. There is a Google Spreadsheet that is out there that does indicate each part of the combination and how they interface, which may be worth looking into if you want to deep dive further
PeterYR has videos that explain almost all the convoluted combos, including Rosmontis's. The basic gist is, Rosmontis needs E2 Whisperain, Iris, and someone (forgot) to be worth it, right? And nobody would E2 WR or Iris just for the base (they take like a year to ROI), so basically, just forget about Rosmontis, unless she or her supports are your waifus.
9:45 For more casual & new players, I advise just to know what "staggering" is. HOWEVER, know that you can still play the game just fine without it. Why, I'm saying this? Because staggering is kinda tiring, and makes you feel burned out more easily, depending on the case. The increase from staggering is okayish, but nothing for the player need to feel stressed at. If you are playing AK, hopefully you'll stay for a long time, which is why, comfortable gameplay should be your priority. Kukki's explanation in this video and the previous one might be daunting, but just know that base management IS ACTUALLY EASY once you dip into it. And There are in-depth arguments for min-maxing AK's base, which is nice, but the game is lenient enough that even the casual (but-running) base can enjoy the game and upgrading operators just fine.
Kukki, great video, but maybe you should add an explanation about how productivity really reflexes on production, because some people tends to confuse productivity with time reduction, like in the case of the Training Room, and that's a concept people think also applies in the other facilities, but it doesn't really work like that. Keep the good work!
Thank you for the series and I have to admit, I learned a lot, even as a long time player. I really would love to see the special combination and your own thoughts on them, when one raised for example all operators to e2.
Thanks for these videos, I already knew most of it by my own research over these last couple of years, but it's still too useful und productive for more casual or newer players 😁
For the CC we finally have 3 alts with Alt Op Skill, so for people without rainbow6, so when you use Kroos, Lava, and Hibiscus with 2 other alts their basic energy consumption is 0.
For sure but besides the limited we have a few including those upcoming Grey Exacutor, Swire Silence, Reed, and eventually Jessica who all work for 0 cost. In any case Yalter has extra sanity consumption so she's on a 48 hour rotation.
Does 2-5-2 offer much flexibility on operator rotations? E.g., Am I screwed if I am 2 hours late rotating my operators one evening? I'm curious about trying it out.
1 concept that I would add for people trying to determine their own rotations that don't have a degree in astro physics or want to build excel spreadsheets is Ratio Equality. The core idea for this concept is that for your 1st best group the thing that determines efficiency of production is not how much morale they have when you take them out of the trading post or factory but how long they sit in the dorm with max morale. So there's nothing wrong with swapping out your best group when they're not low on morale, say they're at 50% morale. However, the longer they sit in the dorm with max morale the more efficiency you lose. So how to apply this to thinking about your rotation is to understand that if I have a 1st best group that can work a maximum of 36 hours and then recover their morale in 6 hours and I am going to express that as 36/6 then: 36/6 = 30/5 = 24/4 = 18/3 = 12/2 = 6/1 The reason this can be valuable is in case the 36/6 requires you getting up at like 4 am to swap operators you can use a different equivalent ratio that fits your schedule better and you won't lose any efficiency of productivity. In general most people want to swap their operators less so you would usually choose something from the left end of this spectrum but in some cases the 30/5 might fit your schedule better than the 36/6 would. There are about 12 operators in the game that are an exception to this, examples include: Scene, Bibeak, Kafka, Ceobe, or any operator that doesn't reach their peak production until they've worked for 5 hours. For these types of operators you want to leave them in their respective work zone as long as possible to optimize their productivity.
For an endgame account like mine there are very few facilities that don't have two equally good shifts. I just swap my entire base every 24 hours and there is never more than about a 5% difference in productivity. Also, a 32 hour rotation of two shifts means you will end up with shift changes in the middle of the night. Like, change shift at 12 noon, then 8pm, then 8pm the next day, then 4AM! Then 4AM AGAIN! Nah, I'm good. It's a fun game but my entire life is not going to revolve around it.
because of how time consuming irl is, i am so glad i found this 2 games that i play, arknights and limbus company. they are very generous with time management. i like gathering resource on weekdays and play the actual content of the games on weekends. (*for tmi i really hate cc because it "forced" me to do manual runs everyday.) and that's why i really love when content creator create base-in-depth content. (except if it's spreading misinformation for clout ofc 😅) while some parts of the community will say "252 uSeRs oN tHeiR wAy tO eXpLaiNinG wHy ThEy hAVe tHe BeSt bASe sEtUp: (aNd I dOn't CaRe)" i just want to tell you there are people who found this very helpful and really appreciate it ❤ (as long as it's not spreading misinformation ofc 😅)
While you did touch upon recovery that affects all in dorm, i hope you include people who adds recovery to single unit as well (Shining/Honeyberry/Saileach/Lancet 2 are who i use) Personally i have 1 all-recovery and 1 single-recovery, just so i maximize recovery for 1 unit. But this is really for people who log in more than 2 times (I do it on average 4 times - cycle every 6 hours) I also set an order of importance (ie people who give better efficiencies - ie Feater with 35% - would always be the ones that enjoy max recovery), and for every one that gives baseline (30%) i would just put into dorms as long as there's a replacement Obviously this only works if you're willing to invest into E2-ing units for base exclusively , which i've done solely to increase the number of choices i have on hand (Proviso, Bubble & Vulcan, Waai Fu, Mayer) For info: I run a 252 with right side max (came from a 243), with 1 T2 trade and 1 T3 trade (I invested in a Proviso combo hence this is efficient for me - don't do this otherwise), and 3 T2 Factories (EXP) and 2 T3 Factories (Gold)
If you make a video about strong combo's could you mention return of investment? Like does e.g. an e2 bibeak for shamare comp justify the resources to e2 her if you just have her for base?
If you want the answer now, the shamare bibeak tequila combo takes 2 year to pay back. Proviso needs 7 month. Every other 5* is not worth to E2 for base only as they payback time is so long that the arknights server may close long before they pay back, just choose them if you also are going to play them or if have spare resources.
For someone who not always E2 any operator, E2 a base operator that give you best combo or able to work long is always worth. Especially if its add more storage. Since i only login AK like twice a day and the usually comp storage is too low that usually max up like 8-10 hours so thay 90% speed is useless if your max on production
@@Kindi001 For 3 and 4 stars yes, they repay back in days or weeks, for 5* and 6*, if you are never going to play them you just burned resources that will never return, and will cry when you need that for someone you may want to play.
ooooo I'm playing game for almost 3 years and I even use a high end combo like Tequila Shamare and Kafka ( instead of Bibeak it works just the same) and yet I was receiving the mediocre amount of recourses. your guides were very educational and I guess my issue is a lack of second best squad that I know and set for my trading posts
4 stars and 3 stars only need E1 for their second skill. Frostleaf, Purestream, Vermeil, Bubble, are small example of operators with good second base skill. As for 5 stars and 6 stars, many of them do need their E2 for their skill. But, E2 them simply for their base skill is really not recommended unless it's Proviso or you're planning to use them a lot.
Proviso, Shamare, Gnosis, Młynar, Ling, Mulberry, Rosmontis, Morgan, Delphine, Gladiia, etc. all need to be E2 since the important skill for their combo that is their second skill (if you're interested). Operators like Tequila, Pozy, Tuye, Mizuki, Highmore, Chongyue, MonHun gang, Rhine Lab factory crew, etc. can be E0 for the base, but gets better at E2. Meanwhile Dusk apparently doesn't have base skills that scale by promotion, so she can be left at E0
Other than the pointers mentioned by others, the easy way is to look at the left panel as you assign operators into the facilities. That panel will show you the state, time remaining and base skills. If there is a new skill to unlock or upgraded upon promotion, then that panel will show that to you eg - at 6:18, you can see that Kukki's Frost second skill is locked, with the panel stating that to unlock it you need her to be at e2. Another one, at 1:53, Kukki's Wildmane skill has this double arrow on the right corner of the textbox. When you click/tap on it, it should say "upgrade at e2" or something along that line. ** these 2 examples require e2 just cause they are 5* ops, as pointed out by the rest. hope this helps
I like the idea of the base and base skills but having a standard 2 4 3 and leaving it already feels comfortable enough for me You have to "have a "best combo" and "second best combo" for 1 facility" is the crucial part You have 4, 4 facilities (more or less) which means you need to have like 3 x 4 = 12 ops who have a good mentioning base skill to changing the changing things already tired enough, you have to check on every op's skills and then check on combos,... and then you realize that you don't have this or that ops. And you think that is it? NO! You have that OP but didn't build them. It also notes that it is not worth e2 an op for their base skill as they cost much more materials than they could have gained for you. Not to mention that it also tired to maintain the daily basis of swapping op with all the things happing in life too. For a mobile gacha game that comes in the long run. I think you should have just ignored all the base concept that is too complicated and felt happy to play it every now and then, more than try hard with it and stop playing the game for like a year or smth. The gameplay itself is already stressful enough
Honestly, you don't really need to have complicated combos to make the base functional. Those combos are mainly just QoL updates that'll help you gain more resources. You can make by with whatever base skills you have, just make sure you don't make silly decision like putting gold workers to a factory that generates EXP and vice versa.
That's the video I've been searching for so long. People always talk about best combos and ‘base game changing operators’ but somehow the concepts about what to do, when those operators are recovering is seemingly never mentioned anywhere. Especially early switching and staggering sounds like easy concepts in retrospect but doesn't come to mind intuitively.
Probably will still stay in the ‘taking appropriate operators but neglect actual combos’ group because niche-y account and not gonna E1 or E2 for base only - but just knowing what is possible is a huge help. Thank you!
this video really help since I'm just starting to learn rotate my character in the base
ngl your hand drawn illustrations for each topic are really cute lol
You need to mention there are some of certain combo that cant be staggering. Such as "tequila shamare bibeak" you cant change just change shamare or tequila for other..
I leave that for people to intuitively understand that, as long as you understand numbers are to be kept high, you would figure that certain 3-operator combos are hard-linked and shouldn't be cracked open.
If you got Fiametta, you totally can stagger those too!
@@sweetdreams5454
Yea, especially when they would drain 0.65 morale per hours (assuming that you have 5 operators in the command center) that would mean they would last a little over 36 hours with full morale.
Adding the fact that Fiammetta only need 12 hours to fully charge her morale, it make it easy to rotate Shamare and Bibeak every so often just to keep at least one of their skill ramped up.
@@kukkikaze I think you should mention that especially for veteran players who have a lot of 3 operator combos, you can stagger the whole team instead of a single operator. E.g for 2 trading posts, you only need 3 good combos (instead of 4) where each team works for 24hrs and you rotate one team every 12 hours. Since you are checking in twice a day anyway, this lines up nicely for staggering without too much micromanaging.
Tbh, most of the stuff is pretty self explanatory for me, but what makes me stumble is understanding weird stuff like Rosmontis, and no, it is not easy to see how much she does, because there are so many different operators in different parts of the base that add to that, that I gave up after a while.
Rosmontis and Mr. Nothing are both operators that do require a lot of operators to make work. There is a Google Spreadsheet that is out there that does indicate each part of the combination and how they interface, which may be worth looking into if you want to deep dive further
PeterYR has videos that explain almost all the convoluted combos, including Rosmontis's.
The basic gist is, Rosmontis needs E2 Whisperain, Iris, and someone (forgot) to be worth it, right? And nobody would E2 WR or Iris just for the base (they take like a year to ROI), so basically, just forget about Rosmontis, unless she or her supports are your waifus.
9:45
For more casual & new players, I advise just to know what "staggering" is. HOWEVER, know that you can still play the game just fine without it.
Why, I'm saying this? Because staggering is kinda tiring, and makes you feel burned out more easily, depending on the case.
The increase from staggering is okayish, but nothing for the player need to feel stressed at.
If you are playing AK, hopefully you'll stay for a long time, which is why, comfortable gameplay should be your priority.
Kukki's explanation in this video and the previous one might be daunting, but just know that base management IS ACTUALLY EASY once you dip into it.
And
There are in-depth arguments for min-maxing AK's base, which is nice, but the game is lenient enough that even the casual (but-running) base can enjoy the game and upgrading operators just fine.
Kukki, great video, but maybe you should add an explanation about how productivity really reflexes on production, because some people tends to confuse productivity with time reduction, like in the case of the Training Room, and that's a concept people think also applies in the other facilities, but it doesn't really work like that. Keep the good work!
Thank you for the series and I have to admit, I learned a lot, even as a long time player. I really would love to see the special combination and your own thoughts on them, when one raised for example all operators to e2.
I love your work bro ❤❤
I run on r6s ops so staggering base setups is a lot more easier! You explained it very well piece by piece, good job! :D
R6 ops allow me full base swaps if I don't take into account crafting, power plants, or the HR room. I can't live without them at this point.
Thanks for these videos, I already knew most of it by my own research over these last couple of years, but it's still too useful und productive for more casual or newer players 😁
its 22 Oct, Kukki, you have less than 24 hours left
Latest community post he said Oct 24 by the latest
For the CC we finally have 3 alts with Alt Op Skill, so for people without rainbow6, so when you use Kroos, Lava, and Hibiscus with 2 other alts their basic energy consumption is 0.
The only set that comes to mind is having yato and noir corne with kroos, lava, hibiscus.
For sure but besides the limited we have a few including those upcoming Grey Exacutor, Swire Silence, Reed, and eventually Jessica who all work for 0 cost. In any case Yalter has extra sanity consumption so she's on a 48 hour rotation.
shet i cant pull hibiscus alter cuz was saving back then.
Kuki absolutely cooking, thank you for these illustrations, helps newbies quite alot.
Does 2-5-2 offer much flexibility on operator rotations? E.g., Am I screwed if I am 2 hours late rotating my operators one evening? I'm curious about trying it out.
I just to 243 cuz of irregular playing time
1 concept that I would add for people trying to determine their own rotations that don't have a degree in astro physics or want to build excel spreadsheets is Ratio Equality.
The core idea for this concept is that for your 1st best group the thing that determines efficiency of production is not how much morale they have when you take them out of the trading post or factory but how long they sit in the dorm with max morale. So there's nothing wrong with swapping out your best group when they're not low on morale, say they're at 50% morale. However, the longer they sit in the dorm with max morale the more efficiency you lose.
So how to apply this to thinking about your rotation is to understand that if I have a 1st best group that can work a maximum of 36 hours and then recover their morale in 6 hours and I am going to express that as 36/6 then:
36/6 = 30/5 = 24/4 = 18/3 = 12/2 = 6/1
The reason this can be valuable is in case the 36/6 requires you getting up at like 4 am to swap operators you can use a different equivalent ratio that fits your schedule better and you won't lose any efficiency of productivity. In general most people want to swap their operators less so you would usually choose something from the left end of this spectrum but in some cases the 30/5 might fit your schedule better than the 36/6 would.
There are about 12 operators in the game that are an exception to this, examples include: Scene, Bibeak, Kafka, Ceobe, or any operator that doesn't reach their peak production until they've worked for 5 hours. For these types of operators you want to leave them in their respective work zone as long as possible to optimize their productivity.
Kukki understood the real based meta, base meta
For an endgame account like mine there are very few facilities that don't have two equally good shifts. I just swap my entire base every 24 hours and there is never more than about a 5% difference in productivity. Also, a 32 hour rotation of two shifts means you will end up with shift changes in the middle of the night. Like, change shift at 12 noon, then 8pm, then 8pm the next day, then 4AM! Then 4AM AGAIN! Nah, I'm good. It's a fun game but my entire life is not going to revolve around it.
Man, that's some quantum shit in the last....😂😂😂😂😂😂
HG needs to automate this, if we need university lecture it's not good.
because of how time consuming irl is, i am so glad i found this 2 games that i play, arknights and limbus company. they are very generous with time management.
i like gathering resource on weekdays and play the actual content of the games on weekends. (*for tmi i really hate cc because it "forced" me to do manual runs everyday.)
and that's why i really love when content creator create base-in-depth content. (except if it's spreading misinformation for clout ofc 😅)
while some parts of the community will say "252 uSeRs oN tHeiR wAy tO eXpLaiNinG wHy ThEy hAVe tHe BeSt bASe sEtUp: (aNd I dOn't CaRe)"
i just want to tell you there are people who found this very helpful and really appreciate it ❤ (as long as it's not spreading misinformation ofc 😅)
While you did touch upon recovery that affects all in dorm, i hope you include people who adds recovery to single unit as well (Shining/Honeyberry/Saileach/Lancet 2 are who i use)
Personally i have 1 all-recovery and 1 single-recovery, just so i maximize recovery for 1 unit. But this is really for people who log in more than 2 times (I do it on average 4 times - cycle every 6 hours)
I also set an order of importance (ie people who give better efficiencies - ie Feater with 35% - would always be the ones that enjoy max recovery), and for every one that gives baseline (30%) i would just put into dorms as long as there's a replacement
Obviously this only works if you're willing to invest into E2-ing units for base exclusively , which i've done solely to increase the number of choices i have on hand (Proviso, Bubble & Vulcan, Waai Fu, Mayer)
For info: I run a 252 with right side max (came from a 243), with 1 T2 trade and 1 T3 trade (I invested in a Proviso combo hence this is efficient for me - don't do this otherwise), and 3 T2 Factories (EXP) and 2 T3 Factories (Gold)
Bro do you have discord. I would love to discuss some base strat with you. As I only have a little knowledge about that.
If you make a video about strong combo's could you mention return of investment? Like does e.g. an e2 bibeak for shamare comp justify the resources to e2 her if you just have her for base?
no operator is worth e2 for base skill except proviso
If you want the answer now, the shamare bibeak tequila combo takes 2 year to pay back. Proviso needs 7 month. Every other 5* is not worth to E2 for base only as they payback time is so long that the arknights server may close long before they pay back, just choose them if you also are going to play them or if have spare resources.
For someone who not always E2 any operator, E2 a base operator that give you best combo or able to work long is always worth. Especially if its add more storage. Since i only login AK like twice a day and the usually comp storage is too low that usually max up like 8-10 hours so thay 90% speed is useless if your max on production
@@Kindi001 For 3 and 4 stars yes, they repay back in days or weeks, for 5* and 6*, if you are never going to play them you just burned resources that will never return, and will cry when you need that for someone you may want to play.
Is anyone else concerned that he refers to fatigued workers as "dead" 😂
ooooo I'm playing game for almost 3 years and I even use a high end combo like Tequila Shamare and Kafka ( instead of Bibeak it works just the same) and yet I was receiving the mediocre amount of recourses. your guides were very educational and I guess my issue is a lack of second best squad that I know and set for my trading posts
the idea of "operator working better = operator get overworked to death" is so funny to me
I hope to see you during 4.5 anni stream
Godspeed kukki
I curious about which operator that need to e2, the operator that stay e1 @ e0 to be use on base and see you soon on 4.5 anniversary kukki
4 stars and 3 stars only need E1 for their second skill. Frostleaf, Purestream, Vermeil, Bubble, are small example of operators with good second base skill.
As for 5 stars and 6 stars, many of them do need their E2 for their skill. But, E2 them simply for their base skill is really not recommended unless it's Proviso or you're planning to use them a lot.
Proviso, Shamare, Gnosis, Młynar, Ling, Mulberry, Rosmontis, Morgan, Delphine, Gladiia, etc. all need to be E2 since the important skill for their combo that is their second skill (if you're interested).
Operators like Tequila, Pozy, Tuye, Mizuki, Highmore, Chongyue, MonHun gang, Rhine Lab factory crew, etc. can be E0 for the base, but gets better at E2.
Meanwhile Dusk apparently doesn't have base skills that scale by promotion, so she can be left at E0
Other than the pointers mentioned by others, the easy way is to look at the left panel as you assign operators into the facilities.
That panel will show you the state, time remaining and base skills.
If there is a new skill to unlock or upgraded upon promotion, then that panel will show that to you
eg - at 6:18, you can see that Kukki's Frost second skill is locked, with the panel stating that to unlock it you need her to be at e2.
Another one, at 1:53, Kukki's Wildmane skill has this double arrow on the right corner of the textbox. When you click/tap on it, it should say "upgrade at e2" or something along that line.
** these 2 examples require e2 just cause they are 5* ops, as pointed out by the rest.
hope this helps
You can just check a wiki for their base skill
Or aceship for arknight
I just add ops in dorm that adds additional morale recovery
Hardest part, let's go!
I wish they update the base mechanic or at least expand it.. I have tons of room themes and can only use 4 >_
I really want to do these rotation for almost 2 years now, my day job just won't let me kekl
Meanwhile, you have me, having enough resources to the point of simply only using base for trust farm.
we Need projekt red alter, also nice video
Am liking the series. Am veteran player... but I been slapping random plp on the base 😂 bcz am not bothered to read all those skills.
I wish there was a more convenient way to check operators' base skills.
Are you going to make Lee guide?
Maybe after this base series is done and I'm not clouded by my university projects
@@kukkikaze :D I'll look forward for it, thank youu 🙏
I'm too lazy to do this
252 users on their way to explain why they have the best base setup: (I don't care)
009 is best, go green, save the planet 🌳🗿
I like the idea of the base and base skills
but having a standard 2 4 3 and leaving it already feels comfortable enough for me
You have to "have a "best combo" and "second best combo" for 1 facility" is the crucial part
You have 4, 4 facilities (more or less) which means you need to have like 3 x 4 = 12 ops who have a good mentioning base skill to changing
the changing things already tired enough, you have to check on every op's skills and then check on combos,... and then you realize that you don't have this or that ops. And you think that is it? NO! You have that OP but didn't build them.
It also notes that it is not worth e2 an op for their base skill as they cost much more materials than they could have gained for you. Not to mention that it also tired to maintain the daily basis of swapping op with all the things happing in life too.
For a mobile gacha game that comes in the long run. I think you should have just ignored all the base concept that is too complicated and felt happy to play it every now and then, more than try hard with it and stop playing the game for like a year or smth. The gameplay itself is already stressful enough
Honestly, you don't really need to have complicated combos to make the base functional. Those combos are mainly just QoL updates that'll help you gain more resources. You can make by with whatever base skills you have, just make sure you don't make silly decision like putting gold workers to a factory that generates EXP and vice versa.
lets go and video end
anyway it was fun until the staggering explanation
First