HOW DOES IT FEEL TO BE LOOKING AT THE ELECT ONE IN THE BOOK OF ENOCH WHICH IS OLDER THAN THE BIBLE IM ALSO IN THE BIBLE IM THE BRANCH THE SERVANT THE HELPER THE CHIEF CORNER STONE IN OTHER WORDS ITS OVER BOYS TELL A LOVE ONE .THE WHO IS MADE A LITTLE LOWER THAN THE ANGELS IS GOING TO BE CROWN THE KING OF THE WORLD AND YOU AND YOUR OFFSPRING CAN'T STAY.
Thank you, Larry, for advocating openly for the lucid empowerment of the power of bishops and their designation within each nation. I moved from ultramontanism to gallicanism after reading Bossuet, whose work is absolutely relevant. Having strong bishops is the constant tradition of the church. Bishops are instituted by divine right from Jesus Christ to be also partakers in the power of the keys. They ought to have, in their own diocese, similar powers to what the pope has on a universal level, given that due procedures of appeal and veto are retained.
Larry's got it right here. The papacy is not about the personality sitting in the Chair of Peter, it's the role, it's a "divine office," it's impersonal. Not unlike the monarchy. Queen Elizabeth II represented the British state and its legacy (I've chosen not to mention the present King Charles; he's another disaster) So too, the Pope should represent the body of faith of the One True Church of Christ. The doctrine, the creedal faith is unchanging, accomplished, finished, settled. The teachings of Christ are the narrow way, the strait gate. You cannot bend them to your own will. Choose to live by them and you choose grace. Choose otherwise and there is only sin and loss.
It seems to me that Pope Francis' statement that 'God wills the diversity of religions' was deliberately ambiguous because it can be interpreted in different ways based on how one construes the term 'wills'.
Funny that, my Lutheran Bible studies are held around round, cafeteria tables, with Pastor as "facilitator." I've tried to hang with it, but I can't help feeling hustled on some level. It turns into a kind of Bible trivia or double Jepordy as the congregats carp for points from the MC. Frankly, it makes one feel like they are back in grade school. I left Lutheranism for 40 years and came back a few years ago. The problem being, I've perhaps been in the "wild," reading and thinking too long. I have a beautiful Catholic Bascillca down the street in St. Louis. I say the rosary and attend Mass from time to time, but wonder if y'all'd be any less patronizing. Wherever I'm led, my prayers go out to the Catholic Church as perhaps an essential Alamo in this cultural insanity we ALL are experiencing.
Be still and know that I am God. Perhaps instead of the constant blathering around the synodal tables, the participants should sit in silence like the Quakers. I would be more hopeful then of discerning the will of the Holy Spirit.
While i can agree that it might be h lpful to give a Bishop authority to laicize... HOWEVER! With the way too many bishops are todsy it would be abused to SUCH a degree! I mean ....
Wonderful enlightening discussion. Could listen to these two all day!
HOW DOES IT FEEL TO BE LOOKING AT THE ELECT ONE IN THE BOOK OF ENOCH WHICH IS OLDER THAN THE BIBLE IM ALSO IN THE BIBLE IM THE BRANCH THE SERVANT THE HELPER THE CHIEF CORNER STONE IN OTHER WORDS ITS OVER BOYS TELL A LOVE ONE .THE WHO IS MADE A LITTLE LOWER THAN THE ANGELS IS GOING TO BE CROWN THE KING OF THE WORLD AND YOU AND YOUR OFFSPRING CAN'T STAY.
Excellent discussion!!!
Love that you included "raison d'être" in your analogical speech about English being the final and definitive form of communication :)
"Everyone is indeed welcome in the Church but on God's terms, not our own."
- + Cardinal Francis George
Thank you, Larry, for advocating openly for the lucid empowerment of the power of bishops and their designation within each nation. I moved from ultramontanism to gallicanism after reading Bossuet, whose work is absolutely relevant. Having strong bishops is the constant tradition of the church. Bishops are instituted by divine right from Jesus Christ to be also partakers in the power of the keys. They ought to have, in their own diocese, similar powers to what the pope has on a universal level, given that due procedures of appeal and veto are retained.
"In the evening we will be examined in Love." ~ St John of the Cross.
This is gonna be good
Larry's got it right here. The papacy is not about the personality sitting in the Chair of Peter, it's the role, it's a "divine office," it's impersonal. Not unlike the monarchy. Queen Elizabeth II represented the British state and its legacy (I've chosen not to mention the present King Charles; he's another disaster) So too, the Pope should represent the body of faith of the One True Church of Christ. The doctrine, the creedal faith is unchanging, accomplished, finished, settled. The teachings of Christ are the narrow way, the strait gate. You cannot bend them to your own will. Choose to live by them and you choose grace. Choose otherwise and there is only sin and loss.
It seems to me that Pope Francis' statement that 'God wills the diversity of religions' was deliberately ambiguous because it can be interpreted in different ways based on how one construes the term 'wills'.
There is no longer any ambiguity in relation to Papa Francisco.
Funny that, my Lutheran Bible studies are held around round, cafeteria tables, with Pastor as "facilitator." I've tried to hang with it, but I can't help feeling hustled on some level. It turns into a kind of Bible trivia or double Jepordy as the congregats carp for points from the MC. Frankly, it makes one feel like they are back in grade school. I left Lutheranism for 40 years and came back a few years ago. The problem being, I've perhaps been in the "wild," reading and thinking too long. I have a beautiful Catholic Bascillca down the street in St. Louis. I say the rosary and attend Mass from time to time, but wonder if y'all'd be any less patronizing. Wherever I'm led,
my prayers go out to the Catholic
Church as perhaps an essential Alamo in this cultural insanity we ALL are experiencing.
Noli esse asinus!
Not- a nothing burger. Not.
Be still and know that I am God. Perhaps instead of the constant blathering around the synodal tables, the participants should sit in silence like the Quakers. I would be more hopeful then of discerning the will of the Holy Spirit.
While i can agree that it might be h lpful to give a Bishop authority to laicize... HOWEVER! With the way too many bishops are todsy it would be abused to SUCH a degree! I mean ....