5 Hidden EV Expenses No One Will Tell You About
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gas tax doesnt pay for roads, hasnt for at least 30 years. legislators stole the gas tax and any roads they repair come out of general taxes.
Are you channeling Al Gore and his Social Security lockbox?
THIEVES!
Actually she’s talking about State taxes, and each State is different
Yeah, because you have access to all the information on how tax dollars are spent. I’m tired of paranoids flapping their gums about things on which they are completely ignorant. Just spinning hate.
For many years, Virginia has based annual vehicle registration cost on the vehicle’s fuel efficiency. You have to pay MORE for hybrids and EVs to compensate for the loss of gas tax revenues.
Something that wasn't mentioned was the long waits to repair electric cars. Very few shops work on them and it can take weeks-months to get something fixed properly on an EV
The shops do not have diagnostic tools and that is a new headache in the Right to Repair law that I think congress has passed. Tesla and others have so far reserved the right to be the only repair choice-- on purpose to grab cash.
Most dealerships can only do minor repairs to BEV's since they sell few if any each year just like the rest of the dealerships in their region.
Select General Motors dealerships are quietly repairing Teslas.
Nothing to repair, that is why evs are so reliable
Hey Guess What? there are long wait times for repairs on gas cars too, just ask Biden why!
According to everything mentioned in this video... my 2012 Fiesta is still cheaper to own.
Yeah, I will keep my 2003 Chevy tracker also. And skip the EV craze when I need to replace. No outside plug I can use at my apartment building, and yet to see any public chargers here. And EVs like the Bolt need to be plugged in before they will start if the temp gets too cold, like it does here in the winter.
@@davidclough3951 I’m in Michigan. People I work with complain about needing a winter car because their EV often won’t start on really cold days; especially when it’s windy too. Worse than a diesel if ya ask me.
I keep my 2012 2009 and 2014 Infiniti
And quicker to fuel up!
@@1940limited you got that right!
1. No registration fee here
2. Haven't noticed tire wear increase
3. I charge for 8 cents /kw at home
4. Insurance went up $25 per year based on value of car.
I drive 120 kms per day. EV is the only way to go.
I expect the charging fees to increase in the future. It's only"cheap" now as incentive to buy electric. When everyone is on electric, they'll start to come out with headlines of what a massive toll millions of charging cars puts on the grid and in order to be able to supply to everyone it'll cost more. They'll up the prices insanely high.
Hello! I had a similar thought not too long ago, but I found some interesting info by Tony Ceba. Electricity is actually super easy to make- think solar, wind, and dams (of which solar is the cheapest)-the problem is storing it. It turns out that the cost to produce solar and battery storage is now the cheapest it’s ever been with costs declining even more so. There may be some blips, but I think that electricity will actually remain low cost OR cost even less in the near future.
Bingo
@@Varosphotographs wrong, power is NOT cheap to produce. Ive been 100% solar since 2012 and can tell you it could not replace 10% of power requirements. (EDIT- power can be cheap if its hydro, thats the only exception and doesnt require storage batteries.
If you are in a warm area that does not go below freezing the battery will give you a full charge. If you are north in cold country you can lose nearly 40% of you battery's charge at 0 deg/F.
@@cupera1425 exactly and an EV will drain power to keep the batteries at the right temp. lithium batteries dont do well over 104f. or under 0f.
Just a small correction. Idling fees aren’t for keeping people from charging too long, they are for keeping people from using the charging space as a parking space.
Wonder how they charge the idiots who park their non evs in the charger spaces?
@@Procrastinator1948 If the property owner cared, with a tow. It would only take one change to the "EV parking only" sign to include "non-ev parking will be towed at owners expense"
OIL INDUSTRY LIES
@@mark-wo2wj yes we KNOW EV companies would NEVER lie.
@mark-wo2wj ELECTRIC INDUSTRY LIES
1. EV “gas” tax
2. Shorter tires lifespan
3. Multiple charging expenses
4. Higher insurance premiums
Those taxes and fees discussed will only increase. Governments will milk them forever.
Any thing that is variable will vary but only in one direction when it’s a fee.
I believe EVs will only be more reliable than ICE cars when they don’t get into any major accident/s. It would really be a huge problem fixing those sensors and cameras that are attached to the body of the car.
@@aeronYTco We'll find out in another 100 years when EVs have finally been around as long as some of the cars still on the road. We already know the expected life of the battery is current only 10 years or 1 million miles, while an ICE engine block can last upwards of 100 years and tens of millions of miles.
You left out the cost of EV battery 🪫 replacement (over the roof)
@@happytappyslappy The batteries should be considered. This is the heart of the car.
Insurance is really the big elephant in the room so whatever you have saved in gas, insurance companies has taken it away. Had I known…
My buddy had his right rear quarter panel dented in a parking lot. I was completely shocked that the repair estimate was $26,000! No wonder nobody wants to insure Teslas.
Literally every auto insurance company insures Teslas.
@@Rich_123 I was incorrect on that part. Thanks for making me look. :)
I knew what you meant. At first, years ago, that was what I was hearing also. Almost sounds like the shop is taking advantage or they just don't want or know how to do it.
Tesla service centers will usually recommend third party body shops for body repairs. Get more than one estimate.
For those who live in the states where it is offered, Tesla insures its own vehicles, often at a much cheaper price than competitors.
Saving money on gas means nothing when you have to make payments on a $100,000 vehicle. Even so called economy cars start at $35,000.
Thank you for making this video. Often we hear 'ev has no maintenace' and that is just not true. There is nothing magical about the suspension components on Tesla vs ICE. Ball joints, control arms and shocks wear down no matter which you pick.
You are taking the "no maintenance" statement too literally. All it means is that there is no maintenance as is required by an internal combustion engine, ie. oil changes, fuel and oil filters, transmission fluid, spark plugs, and other ignition and fuel system maintenance. Of course, they have many systems in common: HVAC, suspension, brakes, wipers, lights, etc. But I should tell you that my original brake pads are still at 75% at 111,000 miles on my 2013 Tesla due to the regenerative braking.
@@UTArch1 Teslas do require an oil change.
@@UTArch1 I have a plug in hybrid Fusion I use for back and forth to work, after 30k miles with the regen braking, the machining marks are still there on my rotors. :) I guess I bought the powerstops because they look cool and I might need them one day. lol
@@UTArch1 Please document WHO said that EVs need no maintenance.
@@MrCPPG Electric motors use no oil.
Who knew saving gas would be so expensive.
When I first got my 2019 Model 3 at the beginning of June 2019, I recall Superchargers were $0.15 per kw and now those same stations are at $0.43 per kw. Definitely creeping up. Being a younger EV owner, I was also never warned about the high insurance premiums. I just turned 25, so I’m hoping to see this change, but for the last 3 years I’ve been lucky to find a company that will provide $280 per month. When looking for quotes I’d get rates of $350, $450 and one was even $500 per month! Overall, I’ve enjoyed owning an EV, but I would say all the money saved on gas gets spent elsewhere such as insurance and tires.
Is Tesla insurance available in your state and if so have you looked into it? I got a Model Y performance at 20 years old and my rate came out to $160 a month which I think is great for a performance suv most other places were charging me at least $400
My State Farm has ins at 75/ month for 2022 model3, free charging at work, Volta has free charging for 1st 2 hours at about 20 miles per hour, look for Volta chargers in your area
@Ana C. Definitely shop around for insurance, and try Tesla's insurance.
@@LoanwordEggcorn my insurance is 75/ month with state farm, tesla insurance not available in MN
Turning 25 was magical for my insurance premiums. I also got married. The combined effect was a 50% decrease.
Thanks for making this video! There were somethings I knew, but other hidden fees make not getting an EV more sense for me. My Prius cost only 24k and maintenance is zero with 100k miles now. Every fill up gets me 450miles, tires are like $240 for all 4, oil change is $60 every 10k miles, gas is 87 octane, and it can carry a lot since it's a hatchback and the rear seats drop down. I think we needed to go plug in hybrid instead of all electric for the future.
maintenance is $0?
I hope U R doing more than changing your oil.
I'd hate to think how crappy 4 tires for $240 must be. Honestly, you're spending double that. And you're still driving a 12sec 0-60 Prius!
How does your Prius handle on the highway when a semi-tractor trailer passes you by?.
@@dwnwind Better than anything else I have driven (Usually minivans). Low-profile and great aerodynamics is a plus. I have full confidence while speeding up to pass a truck.
Hybrid is the Way to go....E.V's Won't get near the Range and Convenience of a Hybrid..Don't understand...???
I feel that electric cars are at least 20 years out from being really mainstream. There are still too many issues that need to be fixed. 🤷🏿
200,000 miles with little to no maintenance? What about the 25,000 mile Tire replacement? I don't mind if people want EV it's their money, it's not for me though, did my research months ago, my cousin has had Tesla for long time, it does good around the area but if your taking a trip it's much more costly, hope everyone does research and talk to someone in person that owns one, the upfront price alone for one EV would buy 2 if not 3 gas cars, i choose gas for now.
@@ronaldhowell4146 Average citizens NEVER do any research which means corporate and political Bullshit telling us EV's will save the climate are believed. What we need is smarter citizens but based on the US level of education that will not happen very soon.
Yup anything new will ALWAYS come with bugs and probs
@@ronaldhowell4146 Americans need a change in the way they think. You shouldn't purchase a vehicle so you can have the option to go on one long roadtrip every few years. If it's seriously that important, just get a rental. This country needs trains for the long hauls. Cars are a bad transportation solution as it is. Battery packs that weigh as much as a truck just so you have the option to drive across the country is stupidity at best.
@@Dudanation12 I wasn't implying one long trip, many people take one if not two vacations a year, I put around 100-200 miles every other day with my car, it only takes a few minutes to be back on the road when I need gas, I don't see any advantage in having a EV to have to charge, too many people fall victim to one sided stories only to be let down, Why would I use vacation money on rental car? I want a vehicle that I can use short or long trip without all the waiting for charging,
Yeah, the right to repair issue is just another reason why I’m excited about the Aptera. They are working on making things so that you can work on them yourself. And you almost never will have to charge it. Though depending on your driving.
It takes about 38hrs to charge it in direct sunlight. So unless you drive very very little-yes you'll need to charge it. And this is 38hours of direct sunlight not 38 hours on a clock where 1/2 of it is nighttime.
@@ddeboy002 True, also depends on where you live as well. From what I got on the estimates on the website, in my area and how much I drive, I would probably charge it 2 times a year. Which in my opinion is still amazing.
@@ddeboy002 How far can it go charged like that?
I got this great 50 acre ranch in the Nevada desert complete with palm trees , a crystal clear spring fed lake and private ski lift on a snow capped mountain. It's yours for 50k.
Wow! $30 for a full charge. I pay $50 for my prius fill up even with the high gas prices.
And what’s the range of one tank on your Prius?
@@brokenwrench404 495 at 9.3 gal tank thats when i fill it up right at the 495 mark it can go 565 miles and the tank capacity is 11.3 gal.
Most people that buy a Tesla or any other EV is overpaying something that they drive from A to B and most of these people are not Rich but they still buy it .
Wow, when the range of your Prius is twice that of the EV, it's like you're only paying $25 vs $30 for an EV Charge
A lot of good information, I don't really like EVs because of the right to repair and we've been informed of outages this year by our electric company due to closing of fossil fuel plants. Its Michigan and they plan on closing more every year for the next few years. The infrastructure here is questionable as we were already dealing with power issues the last few years. If you have the money and want to buy an EV that's fine with me, I just question a government that's trying to push EVs without having the proper infrastructure in place.
The proper infrastructure to completely replace gas cars with EV only will not be ready in the next 500 years anywhere in the world
Better get a new governor and keep those fossil fuel plants humming! Whitmer's insane.
@@1940limited I'm doing my part, I hope the rest of the state does!
@@TheWabbit Thank you!
@@1940limited Have a great day!
Great video. Well thought out, IMPORTANT information and presented very well. Thank you for taking the time
A good point about tyres ! Mine almost fully worn at 15K miles (model Y with acceleration boost)
Drive better
I think the higher insurance rates are unique only to Tesla due to the materials and repair process required for the body panels. Previously I had a Mazda 3 paying $63/mo and jumping over to the Bolt was the same at $61 per month.
Depends on your past, tickets, marriage status, etc.. My 2023 M3P cost 40$ more a month than my 2012 Honda Civic, and that's only because I upped the coverage from 50k to 100k, and lowered by deductible to 100 from 500. Worth 40 extra dollars imo.
Is Tesla the monst unreliable EV?
@@fynkozari9271 Na prob Toyota.
@@Buggabones Overall, the brands with the highest average reliability rankings were Toyota, Lexus, BMW, Mazda and Honda. Tesla (TSLA) only ranked 19th out of 24 brands.
Bolt is like a Chevrolet Spark lol, small cheap EV, of course it's cheap insurance. But most real EVs have higher insurance.
Hi Kim: Love your channel. Thanks for the video regarding miscellaneous charges. In Illinois the charge for my Model 3 is $278.00 sticker price FYI.
I got all the hard and fast in the first several trips after I first bought my Mach E. Now I only use all that power when I have to. I'm at 35k miles and still on the first set of tires. It looks like I'll probably be changing them at 40k or so.
i bought a 1964 cadillac 35 years ago for $150.00 and i'm still driving it. NO ONE can beat that for economy. literally pennies a mile to ride in grand style.
I’m the same way! Put 100k mils on the Ford escort I paid $300 bucks for.
I don’t have to have the ‘best, newest’ syndrome.
Keep that old girl going!!!!
Regarding insurance, my 2017 Bolt insurance is roughly the same as on my other 2 cars (the other 2 are Ford Fusion Hybrid and Chrysler minivan), all have the same full coverage with State Farm. I pay $1750 per year for all 3 (under $600/yr or $50/mo for each). I am now living in Tucson Arizona, but there was little change in cost from when I lived in NY. I think the cost to insure Teslas must be higher due to the high cost of collision repairs - unless you don't have collision and comprehensive coverage... Also in Tucson, I was able to register my Bolt for 5 years, the other two were only allowed for 1 or 2 years, and the annual registration was MUCH less than for each of my two hybrid/ICE vehicles (which also need emission inspection for renewal). My only maintenance in 4.5 years for the Bolt has been wiper blades, but the original tires are about worn out after 42K miles.
Thanks for the info. I'm looking into getting a 2022 or 2023 Bolt and this is very helpful!
A used lot here in UT, is asking $53k for a model 3 w/115k on the clock. I'll never be able to afford one.
Had my Nissan Leaf for 14 months. I did a one year cost analysis based on gas cars I owned before it. After factoring in $200.00 at charging stations and money paid to my electric company for charging at home before my solar panels went active, I saved $2700.00 by not driving a gas vehicle. Since the analysis I have purchased two Michelin tires which I purchased for $549.00, including installation. There is no way I will ever own a gas car again.
Very good info. Thanks. I'm surprised the designers/manufacturers don't provide an alternative algorithmic solution in motor control subroutines to reduce the tire wear problem.
E.G. if you want to slow or reduce tire wear, select the "tire saving tire motors control profile". If you want the "standard" torque response then select the "standard tire motors control profile". I would think that (on demand) it should be fairly easy to emulate a standard gas vehicle's torque profile(s) to give the car the feel, performance and tire wear of a gas vehicle...if that's what the driver wants.
You already have that option on all Tesla's. You can choose the driving modes, and if you want the car to drive like a Corolla, put it in Chill mode and the car will drive like 4 cylinder Corolla.
Excellent video. EV fuel tax here in MO is about $80 - which reminds me I haven't paid it yet for this year. I have over 40K on original tires (2018 Model 3LR) and should be good for 10K more. Of course I'm an old geezer and put it in chill mode on day 1.
MO just raised their alternative fuel sticker to 90 I believe.
Same, my 2020 LR Model Y with base wheels still look fine (over 20k miles). I think it's when you get the thinner wheels that you ride quality and tire life declines massively
@@PerfectorZY It is all about how you drive the car. If you look up tire wear on any performance car with a gas engine, tire wear is basically identical. I just replaced the tires on a performance car with barely 12k miles on them which were getting worn out. People are comparing Corollas and Camry's to a Model 3, which is obviously a pretty absurd comparison with cars that have probably half the HP and torque of a Model 3.
Wait missouri charges tax on your electric vechile???
Should be a tax on the child exploitation you've contributed to by purchasing your EV. Congratulations on your purchase
I drove 32,000 miles on my 2020 Tesla Model Y before I had to change tires… it is very important to rotate your tires regularly like any other car. I spent $400 per tire installed for some higher quality Michelin tires.
@Jave Nilson speaking ignorantly Jave. Go see what a Tesla tire life span is… the tires are like a higher performance sports car tire. Getting 32,000 miles on a 30,000 rated tire is responsible driving not beating the piss out of tires.
OUCH!!
I'm a big fan of the plug-in hybrid. The average commute is about 40 miles a day and most plug-ins can handle that on one charge. For longer trips, you have the benefit of the gasoline engine. Unfortunately, plug-in hybrids are hard to find.
With the plug in hybrid, do you have the same additional expenses as you do with the ev?
Issue with PHEV where you do most f the driving in EV mode, is the gas engine is not running. Gas will actually go bad. So, do you only keep half a tank max, so refreshing the gas before it goes stale? A small hassle there. Gas stabilizers don’t work very well.
Next, you still have break in period for gas engine. That could take forever.
Still doing oil, radiator fluid changes.
@@edsmale if you do not have a house and you own a EV you have no choice but to Goto a charger and wait what 20 to 30 minutes a charge.
You are doing this what twice a week if you run your air or heater and commute 230 miles a week.
You go get an oil change its 20 min and it last 4 to 6 months till your next oil change or fill your gas 5 min.
You are charging twice a week that's that's a lot of down time would you not say.
@@edsmale first of all gas engine starts anyway whenever you need to heat cabin or accelerate hard, so gas going bad is not an issue lol. Plug-ins are not full EVs lol, you will still use gas everyday. The only difference is full tank will last 3 months instead of 2 weeks. Gas is fine for 3 months, it won't go stale that fast lol. It takes more than a year to even notice some change in gas condition. If car was sitting for couple years - then yes, but not in 3 months lol. As for break in period lol - almost all modern engines don't require any break-in period, and those that still do - it's usually 600 miles. Considering you'll use full tank in 3 months - that's about break in period right there. no problem. Oil changes are a non issue lol, change once a year yourself for $15 Walmart jug or pay $50 once a year. Not a big deal. In short - you are not a car guy and don't know much when it comes to cars, but I tired to educate you.
@@azerogliev6520 Toyota PHEV like the rav4 prime will stay in EV mode. But if it's too cold for the heat pump, then the engine might kick on. It also kicks on if you pick the defrost button. But it does defrost a bit with the heat pump. The latest Prius prime is the same thing.
Speaking of charging. Sandy Monro did a program on the safety of home chargers. Everyone who owns or is planning to buy an EV should watch that video. It might keep you from burning your house down.
Great comments about the "fear of battery replacement" after 10yrs. As an example, Toyota just announced a battery warranty of 10yrs/600K miles with a max of 70% degradation.
My Lexus hybrid is 11 years old with 110k miles. I see no difference in performance yet, but I fear its coming LOL.
@@johnbogert7306 All batteries degrade in time. You may be able to get another 90K miles. I'll stick to my Jeep, almost 275K miles, same engine and transmission, still runs great and can go anywhere!
@@kafilkavich707 ice car parts wear out at a pretty good rate too. That ev's don't have to pay to replace as they don't have as many parts
So don't replace the battery. Have it refurbished at a fraction of the cost of a full replacement instead.....
@@kafilkavich707 Hmm well I'm honestly surprised your Jeep has been that reliable. I'm looking at Landrover. I hope their reliability is a myth too LOL.
My tires on my old Leaf and B250e have been fantastic. They're the lighter cars so tire wear is normal
Terrific video with quick logically thought out and useful content. Thank you for this...
i question the logic of a person who owns am electric car
I’ve never owned an EV. I’ve driven the Tesla model S several times. However, while getting my gas powered car fixed, the dealership gave me an EV as a loaner. My conclusion is that my next car will absolutely not be an EV, nor the car after that, nor the car after that. After searching for a charging station, it took 90 minutes for my car to charge to full. Factoring in the lost time in charging, Plus, the two people patiently waiting behind me, as someone that drives a lot and depends upon his car for many things I can clearly conclude this technology is nowhere near practical at this point.
nothing beats a real car with a real engine..
I have owned a tesla model X in Brazil for 7 years and I am very satisfied with the car and the cost I had!
I just changed tires and air filter!
It has 25000 Miles now!
excellent video!
Congrats
Call me when it gets to 175000 like my Toyota
@@mannywilliams6409
My plane got 7000 hours !
Kkk
Thanks !
On my model 3 performance I get really good range on my tires. Even with a few track days
Hi, Thanks for making this video! Very good tips. I want to seek your advice on hybrid or plug-ins? Are these better options when it comes to maintenance ? I drove hybrid for 10 years and now want to move to EV but little cautious and wondering if get a plug in or EV or just keep to hybrids till this EV market settle down. Appreciate some insight 😊
Please stay with hybrids, do not waste your money in an ev, maybe 20 years from now, when they will get them good enough and when toyota will make ev mainstream. Not worth it the pain.
As Buv says, DON'T DO IT "
Two years ago I drove with my friend her Tesla 3 from Cincinnati Ohio to Tampa. 900 miles 4 times we recharged at Tesla super charging stations Roughly 20 minutes per recharge
when EV's become more prevalent you better bring a tent since you'll be there for days.
Really nice video. Lots of good info. We have cheaper charging at low use times that is around $.07 a Kwh. That is the way to go and best to use 110 outlet for around town driving.
Not everyone pays 7c. Some in 48 states pay higher rates than HI & AK. So not sure how EV will be cheaper than gas especially with very high initial cost.
Not for long, power rates are doubling soon. Enjoy!
@@standm6130 He didn't say YOU had that. Read for meaning. Sigh.
I live in Florida and have paid about 14 cents per kWh for the last 10 years ( with little to no fluctuation ). My model 3 standard range is 225 Wh/mi ( though I have been beating that ), so it costs me less than 3.5 cents per mile. My Prius got about 50 mpg so at $3.50 per gallon, that was about 7 cents per mile, or twice as much. And I don't have to pay $100 every 6 months to change the oil now, and more every year or two to clean the fuel injectors and throttle body. I can't see the price of electricity doubling any time soon without a similar doubling of gas prices. And if electric prices do go up, then that just makes solar all the more attractive. It was about break even the last time I did the calculation.
Great video! I agree with everything you covered. Especially the tires. But I would still never consider driving anything but a Tesla again. Like ever.
Well said!
You've obviously got more money than common sense 💰🙄
We thought the same,,, until we drove the EV6.
The million mile model s needed 8 motors and 3 battery packs yep your rich
@@derekmaxwell8164 the initial battery pack went 700k miles.....
Question you talked about all the new EVs coming online is there one standard for charging? or are we going to have many different types?
Very informative, thanks for sharing the knowledge
I think the car insurance cost really does depend on the company. I had a 2017 Hyundai Elantra base model and I cost me $95 for full coverage and when I switched to my 2020 Chevy Bolt Lt my rate only went up $2 a month for the same plan/coverage. Even though the Bolt was almost twice the value of the Elantra.
As for home charging; I would recommend calling your utilities company because some offer incentives for home chargers. My electric company gave me a free level 2 charger and covered half of the installation cost. It also might be worth looking into solar panels if you live in an area with high electricity rates.
Exactly. When I added my Model S to my fleet of 3 other cars, my insurance rate for my Model S was exactly the same, or slightly less than my Acura TSX and my Infiniti FX35, around $1200 a year. So, insurance rates are a lot more complex, and depend on the driver, your age, credit score, home location, state, driving history and probably your height and shoe size.
Wow! $1,200 for annual car insurance? I can’t afford that.
Same here in NJ, my electric company is offering rebates for home chargers as well.
bolt is tiny and cheap ev.
I paid more for my prius C than I did when I got my Model 3. Tesla insurance is the way to go for us. Pay $283.00 for Model 3, X, Y,
Is that $283 Per Year ... ? Geico was charging me that per month, @ end of 2019 ... two cars ... 2013 ford focus, 2005 Mazda 3 ... Hmmm /...
@@larrylong9367 per month
I think you did a really great job on this. I learned so much!
Thank you for all of the great information. 😀
We've had our 2018 Tesla Model 3 for 4 1/2 years now and 48,000 miles. Our experience has been much like yours, except we got 33,000 out of our first set of tires, our insurance is just under $100/mo and we've noticed some high-use superchargers here on the west coast and traveling through Utah are as high as $0.48 per kWh. But our home charging is still 90% of our costs and is still $0.09 per kWh. Wouldn't go back to gas ever.
While I'll be doing rigor mortis before buying from the fleet of Musk, I will say that one great appeal of a battery EV is being able to plug the thing into a standard 15A outlet and just leaving it there for the 16 hours out of the day that's not peak and that the car is also parked. (Just unplug for the 4 hours that cost me $0.25/kWh and plug back in for the periods that cost $0.04 or $0.08/kWh). In the midwest, this is probably more the rule because EV charging points are pretty much an afterthought here. I can charge slow by default and make it go faster when I need it to.
@@junker15 Or, you can just schedule your charging. No need to unplug anything. Or use a timer. Or use the dryer plug if you have a dryer in your garage. There is even a cable that you can plug into 2 different 120V power outlets in your house, and if the outlets are on the opposite phase of your 240V bus bar, you will charge at 240V at 12A.
.09 cents will NOT last.....
@@redbaron6805 I'm not an expert but I have the 220v setup and mine says 30A so idk may be more than 12 in some cases unless I'm understanding wrong
To you realize when they're are to many EV's and charging becomes an issue. Because the grid won't be up to snuff.
Great video, I'd like to see a comparison of the best (mpg) Hybrids vs EV's by category and whether it avoids the gas tax. Having a Lexus RX450h, I'm researching the switch. I installed solar 6 years ago in anticipation of an EV, so a Tesla Wall would fit my usage.
You will not get this information on YT because of the EV agenda. Hybrids and PHEV's are cheaper to own, operate and maintain than any Tesla EV, even with $7+ gas.
Hi, Did you finish research? What would be a good switch ? I am also driving Lexus’s 450rx and contemplating between plug in or Ev.
I really don’t like how EV maintenance is expensive and charging not so mainstream.
I plan to (over)build a solar power plant on the roof of my house before I go EV. This will hugely mitigate the fueling expenses. I have also debated on a conversion system/kit for the car in order to avoid taxes. Vintage vehicles have a one-time registration fee as well. Food for thought...
How did this work out?
Very impressive and well done. You must do a ton of documenting your subject material and much time sorting and editing. Again, well done. Thank you!
Hi! I was also surprised at how high the plate fees are for EVs. I live in Ohio and it costs $45 for all plates plus $200 for EVs, so I was out over $500 for the two year tag I purchased 😬
Ps I still love my model Y lol
In New Zealand they have not done it yet but rather than attach road maintenance to registration they will be doing it by buying permits that cover the distance you intend to travel over a specific time.
The EV fee makes up for the state gas tax you are not paying at the pump.
@@JBoy340a and then some
They should split the EV plate fee to lesson the seeming burden but that will never happen.
That's what we pay in Quebec, Canada to plate a gas car. 🤪
We have a 2018 model S 75D. The original tires lasted 27600 miles. But the EV tax for out Tesla in King County, WA was about $850 in 2018 and is about $750 this year. At least we have free supercharging, saving a lot on road trips. Good luck on you model X.
Nothing is free.
Each state can levy its own %, it’s a tax after all. If you cut gas tax revenue with EV, we’ll guess what you’ll pay a high EV fee to make it up. It’s a shell game and you lose.
I’ll keep my guzzler
I had a Lyft driver tell me his Model 3 was $2000 for tabs. Your $850 sounds like a steal compared to what he said.
Umm, what are you talking about? Who are you paying this 850$ a year to?
I have a 2022 LR Model Y with the base tires and wheels (so the tires are much thicker) I have over 20k miles on it so far (I drive a lot) and my tires look like I'd expect for a normal car. I feel like it you get bigger wheels/thinner tires that's really when you notice it. At least this is my experience. I also am on auto pilot and stuck in traffic at least 40% of the time where I can accelerate like a mad man so that's probably helping too.
This was a great video.
Thanks so much for all of this info.
my only issue was that my 2017 Bolt needed a new 12 volt battery. I knew 12volt battery would need to b changed , regular ICE cars need to ,to, but you would think the dealership would keep them in stock. I had to wait 3 days for them to get a replacement
I work at a Tesla Service Center and we keep dozens of each type of 12v battery in stock. We do a lot of 12v replacements via mobile techs too. I would think most places would keep these in stock.
When do you get your new main battery from Chevy? Are you getting the battery for free including install?
Washington raised the yearly EV fee from $150 to $150 plus another $75 fee to total $225 just for grins.
In California you can lower your DCFC prices by charging off peak at least with Tesla but I have free Supercharging for life, so I'm not up to date. However right after Christmas they were kicking me off at 80% which is generally fine because of crowds, but my car has a much shorter range than new cars and sometimes I need a little more. California was the only place that the SC stopped, but I only charge enough to get to my next stop, so I rarely charge to 80% let alone higher.
I bought a EVSE for my Fiat and I am still using it on the Tesla with an adapter, but I bought it from Amazon for $300 at the time and later it dropped to $200. It is a 240v, but only 20 amp, so it doesn't stress the house at all. However it only charges the Tesla at 11 miles per hour. This is fine for me since I rarely drive more than 50-60 miles per day and it easily charges up while I sleep.
I think a lot of people go overkill on home charging. Unless you are a massive road warrior, you really don't need to charge your car in two hours at home. Between sleeping, showering and eating chances are you will be there at least 10 hours. Otherwise why pay the mortgage?
I initially did pay a lot for insurance, but I questioned them and shopped around and my Model S is no more than most cars as far as premiums go. Same with tires, I think I paid a lot for tires, but after 34,000 miles they still look good and I am going on another 5,000 mile trip so I expect them to last 60,000 like the first set. My car is at 94,000 miles and I have only bought one set of replacement tires. They get rotated pretty often since that makes them last longer.
I replaced one door handle and one window regulator under warranty and got the screen memory upgrade, but still the original screen. Going to the newer version would add a lot of features and cost $2500 or so. My car has 4G, but I figure at some point they will add 5G or Starlink and then I will upgrade
We shall not escape road taxes with these cars. You can bet ALL 50 states and the Feds are looking at legislation.
useless toy car
In Victoria Australia, that has gone even further . I've heard of EV owners getting way over a 2000 dollar bill at the end of the year. It's a bloody crazy thing to be doing when we need to transition away from ICE vehicles
I'm sure the poor black children you exploited will be ecstatic that you'll soon be upgrading your EV. Maybe you could send them some pics of your car and how happy you are with it. I'm sure that'll make their shift in the cobalt mine much nicer.
@@blnunya6689 I'm sure you know that a pound of Cobalt is consumed per 80,000 gallons of gasoline in the refining process to get the sulfur out. I'm also sure you are aware of LFP batteries that don't even use any Cobalt at all, and that 50% of 2022 Tesla's have these batteries. But I bet you didn't know that global temperature increases and droughts are affecting more black children than those that work in the mines supplying your gasoline addiction. Putin also thanks you for your help with his war efforts since Russia earns $100 million per day from oil and gas.
So basically with all the additional fees, premiums, and additional dealership markups it would cost almost the same as owning traditional gas powered cars.
one charge 1round 30 dollar for 40 dollar gas for at least a week plus dont they have to plug it in every after use? :)
Lithium for batteries was around 6,000 dollars in 2020 now 78,000 dollars . High devaluation of the car battery packs are incredibly expensive and getting more so as lithium gets more expensive . Higher cost to buy and power prices are rising fast .
For me I want a Tesla model Y.
However, the insurance price on it will be nearly double of my current car.
Shop around. My rates went up just $17 every 6 months for my 2021 Model Y over my Toyota Highlander rates.
@@chrisshinkle7224 It takes more than just shopping around. Not all insurance companies are quick at paying up claims.
I have a 2021 YLR with 19 in wheels I keep it on Chill mode 98% of the time. I drive it about 33K a year just replaced the tires with 39786 miles on them I could have gone 5K more before I got to the tread bars. with the Alignment $1538. Yes tires are more but just like ICE it how you drive.
Thanks for the good video. I’m looking into purchasing a hybrid and this showed up on my feed.
The tire replacement cost is certainly a big one. I wonder if any ev owners out there noticed if their second set of tires lasted longer than the first as the number of times they felt "obliged" to show their friends what the acceleration felt like dropped. 😜
Yes, that may be an issue. I walked past a parked Tesla Sport of some kind and noticed what looked like tar spots on the rear. Out of curiosity I wiped them with my fingertip and they were specks of black rubber
But you save on brakes and maintenance
Also did not discuss ADDITIONAL wear and tear on the INFRASTRUCTURE (roads) caused by the 150% heavier EVs. You can't win for losing. When you slam across pot holes, thank the Green New Deal, & the money laundering in Ukraine, etc etc. Also, didn't I hear that hitting a pothole sometimes causes EV to explode?
@@SarahSmith-vt3oc Oh sarah you are a very silly person....
We just replaced tires on our 2019 model 3 Long Range Sport wheels at 33K miles. Total cost for new tires with warranty was $1250 at Discount tires. I thought this was reasonable, however tires on my ICE cars do last longer, maybe 40K miles. Driving both types, the EV is still the best bet for transportation in most cases, and expenses are considerably less as is total cost of ownership by far.
So, the tires are costing you about 4 cents per mile or so. Not that bad really.
You think $1200 for tires is reasonable????
over paid ICE like my Prius is only $650 and has 65000-mile tread.
@@kuladoma3 That is because the Prius is lighter and has very little power.
All cars with any level of performance suffer a shorter tire life, unless you drive it like you are 80...
If it cost considerably less to own a Ev over a gas. Why not trade the ice car in on a nother Ev? why keep the ice car?
My tag is $475 in Alabama, was $320 last year. Thanks for the videos Kim.
Saw a study recently that tire pollution from EVs was worse for the enviroment than tailpipe emisions from ICE vehicles
This is so completely laughable...
@@chrisshinkle7224 we must not let anything happen to the narrative
Indeed it did. A study funded by the oil industry.......
@@Brian-om2hh I knew I shouldn’t believe my lying eyes! Despite the fact that electric vehicles weigh on average 25% more than their ice equivalent, and tire wear being more with heavier vehicles it simply can’t be true! Let us never again question the prevailing narrative of electric vehicle perfection
I noticed in all the EV videos no one ever takes into account the cost of delivery of electricity, where I am in Ct. That is more expensive that the kwh of electricity. So with that you can almost double the cost of home charging. I own a Camery hybrid that gets me at present 45mpg , your car is $30000 more than mine without all the other cost. With the price of gas where I am $3.40 per gallon I can purchase 8823 gals. Of gas and go 397,058 mile before I get to the cost of your tesla, oh and not have to wait hours of your life to charge my car.
Hey Kim, Do you know of a website or app that shows Tesla kw charging prices for the Superchargers?
Not sure, but try Supercharge.info and click on maps in the top corner. It's one of my favorite Supercharging sites.
Thanks!! You’re the BEST.
Greets from the Czech Republic. As always great content. electricity same as gas is much more expensive here. 1kWh is 0.56€ at Superchargers and can go up to 1€ at others. Home charging is much cheaper at 0.16-0.30€. Also here EVs are exempted from road tax. But Teslas esp are much more expensive. Model 3 LR is here at 60.000€ and that with average annual net inclmes of app 20.000€. But I would say once one owned a Tesla you never go back to ICE , like ever... and its efficiency is insane. I show in my last video: 50km at constant 140kmh was at 201Wh/km and 50km constant at 120kmh was at 144Wh/km.
So good to hear from the Czech Republic. I live in central United States and I have visited relatives in the north central Czech Republic. They live in a town about 30 km south of Ostrava Poland.
All my best to you.
@@johnvana1207 what is the name of the town. and greez to you wherever you are in the US
I have Hyundai Ioniq EV past 4 years and SoH 99.8% and it runs without any oil changes, gear oil, no gear = no gear repairs, spark plugs, long and short service, no drive train issues!
Thanks for the video. But I think I'll stick with my 1.0 litre 3 cylinder petrol Dacia Sandero. Much less hassle than an EV I think.
We ran into an impressive amount of expense when replacing tires but ultimately our costs have been very manageable. I think it's important to note that car washes cost more owing to the specialized paint and we never go through a conventional car wash (Tesla isn't alone when it comes to discouraging you from going through car washes because of scratching). We've used 110 V outlets, destination chargers (fee and free), superchargers and we also have the NEMA 10-30 plug which we use to charge at home vs. using a dedicated Tesla charger. The model 3 has performed brilliantly and we have zero regrets with our purchase and because of EV incentives and when we purchased we got the best deal possible. The only thing I regret comes from how much battery we have and that was simply a function of how much we could afford. I wish we could extend the battery distance employing aftermarket upgrades and I'm hoping for a long term option but for now, it is what it is :) Thanks for the video Kim!
You wash your car?
The car wash thing is more of a “new expensive car” thing, not EV specific but I guess it is an unexpected cost for people buying more up-market than usual because they want an EV. The biggest problem with machine car washes is they have a chance to scratch the paint if dirt gets caught up on the brushes and they often use strong chemicals that can mess up other paint treatments.
@@walsakaluk4630 Ya, I live in Vancouver, I just move my car outside when it is raining like crazy, there you go, thanks Mother Nature.
I would get a wrap on any new car, why risk your paint degrading, it's not that much more to get one.
You say you have "zero regrets". How long have you owned the car for?
States extra fees are trying to undermine EV adoption. EVs can help gas drivers by freeing supplies. Vote carefully.
Because voting changes stuff. Interesting
Great video. Didn't know states starting to charge for taxes.
Once the infrastructure is ready then I’ll switch. I love road trips so an EV is not feasible unfortunately
I have done several road trips with my Tesla Y, I don't think you are well-informed about just how easy it is to road trip with an EV. Just got home from a 5 day, 2700 trip that cost me less than $300 in charging costs. It would've been over $600 in my ICE car.
@@chrisshinkle7224 Where do you reside? Where did you travel? How long were your stops?
Yes, once infrastructure is in place compliments of the US Taxpayer. Are gas stations and oil wells paid for with tax money? So people will be forced to subsidize EV owner's dream of saving the planet as they virtue signal with their electric car. 2030 will roll around and there will be no change in the climate.
@@BrooklynBound4 don’t try to reason with Tesla fans, it’s useless and they are brainless
Get a Tesla with lifetime supercharging. I am planning a road trip from Austin, TX to Southern California in October. My fuel cost will be zero and I will only have to stop to charge for about 30 minutes every 3 hours or so. The Tesla trip planner has already mapped the route with all necessary charging stops along the way. No problem.
Very happy three+ year 2019 leaf owner here. I did have to upgrade my electrical panel and run a circuit for my home charger, but I was getting solar installed as well which also required the electrical upgrade, so just rolled those costs into the solar installation.
Solar plus EV is a fantastic combination: literally "driving on sunshine." Along with powering your house on sunshine, especially if you have net metering. Congrats!
Wow, had to get a solar system to afford to charge your electric vehicle. Fast charging is now $48. $1200 for tires at 20,000 miles. Wait until the battery goes bad at over 10k a pop. Can you go on long trips? Absolutely nuts to buy an electric car.
@@phoenixrisin2269 Please stop repeating tired old lies from the oil company playbook.
Charging an EV at most places, especially home, is like buying gas for about a dollar a gallon. If you use chargers like Volta, it's free.
Current (Tesla) battery packs last more than 300,000 miles. By that time, 20+ years from now, a replacement battery pack will probably be $2k. And the pack doesn't suddenly stop working then. It just has a few percent less capacity.
Fast charger networks like Tesla's and soon others allow easy cross-continent road tips in the U.S and Europe, and people do them all the time.
Tire wear on an EV is like any other car of similar size and performance.
Buying a gas car is nuts with gas at $5 to $8 a gallon.
Even with gas at $3 a gallon, EVs costs much less to own over the long term, like thousands of dollars less. Now that is accelerated with gas costs double that.
You do not need to get solar to charge your car at home, but if you do, you power your car and home for free after about 7 years when the system pays for itself.
@@phoenixrisin2269 troll
My friend has a leaf and she loves it.
My 2021 Model 3 registration renewal in California was $679. This was my first renewal since I bought it new last year. California is nearly the worst for everything.
That is crazy high!
@@Cozzera yeah, California is horrible with their renewal tags.
The state of California is out of control.
@@Cozzera You’re right, it’s a complete disaster. They just put a ban for the purchase of new gas powered vehicles by 2035, and recently they’re telling people that charging their EVs at home is putting a strain on the power grid 🤦🏻♂️. Sure, that’s 13 years from now, but they’ve had power grid issues for over a decade and nothing has been done. Reality outweighs their far-fetched ideas, just like their dumb “high speed rail” that is never going to be done. Hahaha ok, rant over. Have a great weekend!!
Someone I know got his model 3 rear ended and the damage just looked like a scrape on the rear bumper. It cost like 11k for repairs because the the plug was misaligned a little and for some reason the front sensors or something like that were affected also for some reason.
Thanks, this is valuable information.
Love my 2016 Nissan Leaf. Someday I’ll upgrade but so far I haven’t had a need.
Mine is a 2014.
No need, leaf is the best economical ev choice
Thank You. I just purchased a 2022 Kia EV6 GT Line, and already experienced higher insurance rates, the electric plug setup in my garage, and the level 2 charger, so now I can look forward to the the rest of the expenses up, and coming. However I'm enjoying the EV immensely, and in some small way contributing to lowering my carbon footprint.
shop your insurance. My EV6 is costing $120 a year above what I was paying on my 2011 maibu.
Good thing there's no carbon foot print on electricity generation and battery mining hmmm ?
@@owenmclain3327 I hear you, and I had considered that before I made the choice of an electric car. I"m aware of the cost on the environment in the mining of the materials needed in producing the batteries. Staying with fossil fuels is not a solution either, however because of the high demand for electric vehicles now it has inspired new innovation in sourcing less caustic materials for making batteries, and making them more efficient. So without the demand for EV's, innovation for better ways to power them becomes stagnant.The science is moving forward.
Remember Blood diamonds it's the same thing with Colbalt mining with kids and slave wage earnings that is mining that precious medal .
My first EV is now thirteen years old and has lost only about 12% of it's battery capacity since it was new.
My hybrid has lost about 35-40%in 7yrs
@@jimbob1096 That's not very good. I wonder if that's because the battery frequently cycles between 0 and 100% charge and/or doesn't have as rigorous temperature management as a pure battery electric car.
@@mdrudholm no should I really have to worry about issues like this. Ice is still better. I'm sorry it just is. The battery has its own coolant and radiator. It's been a decent car m
@@jimbob1096 You absolutely shouldn't have to worry about that kind of thing, I'm just interested in why your battery degradation is so much worse than what happens in battery-only cars. Based on what you've said, I think it must be because of the frequent 0-100% battery charge cycling (which doesn't happen in a full BEV).
@@jimbob1096 You're lying
This is really good video about the pros and cons about evs ill be getting my first one next year the only thing is what the benefits of owning a ev?
My 2018 Model 3 insurance with State Farm is $600/year. That’s less than my wife’s 2017 Sorento.
SO???
@@edwardecko So insurance for Teslas is less than gas cars due to very advanced safety features. That's all figured into insurance costs. They almost never crash except for extremely bad driving.
@@LoanwordEggcorn yeah I just checked on my Tesla app today quote per se, very happy with the results.
@@edwardecko Great to hear!
My insurance on a 2004 Silverado and a 1999 Honda civic is $98/month with USAA. I'm under 25 no less.
I have EV for almost 9 years now. It started with Chevy Volt to Chevy Bolt and finally with Tesla Y. It is just a bit hard to start but then you enjoy the ride... I used to hate my Tesla Y in the beginning for many reasons... Now I think I love it. I loved the Bolt the most but it was too small for my needs and driving. Tesla Y on the other hand feels like a premium luxury car. I think EV isn't for everybody yet! so unless you know what you are doing, don't even test drive one! once you do, you will get addicted and you will be looking to have one. That's what happened to me...
I lease a new Hyundai Elantra every 3 years for $7,500. Since I only drive about 3000 miles per year (work close to home), other than a gas refill ONCE a month, I put exactly ZERO dollars into it (yep not even oil lol). So 9 years is costing me $22,400 + gas, say $25,000. Just can't beat that with any EV yet for the same 9 years, after which you need to replace the expensive battery and other things. This works for me, may not for others.
People like u are the problem
I know what I'm doing. I'm not buying an EV! I haven't even any information anywhere yet that even comes close to convincing me to buy one. High gas prices aren't going to last. All that will change once sane management returns to DC.
@@1940limited
EV not for everyone. Keep driving the car you like.
@@geniusfde Joe Biden doesn't think people should have that freedom.
I have two concerns. 1, charging. I don't have a garage to install a home charging station in. 2, The "App". I don't have a data plan for my phone, so checking charge levels, and other features, and diagnostics in the middle of nowhere, wouldn't be accessible to me. This seems like an issue.
The tire shorter span is entirely the driver’s fault. If you are not a lead foot with acceleration and breaking you can get a significantly longer lifespan. I drive a 2017 Bolt EV with 47,000 and original tires still on it.
Isnt california paying $700+ for registration? I saw that from Ryan Shaw when he made a video and talked about his reg... My reg here in Texas is $75 total including government fees.
I just took delivery on Saturday for my MYP, and THANKFULLY the mobile connector was included.. And since my brother who is an electrician, he taught me how to install my Tesla wall connector. So now i have 3 mobile connectors and 2 wall connectors and i avoid having to pay someone to install including the NEMA 1450 outlet. But i did purchase a 40ft NEMA 1450 extension to reach the second Tesla in the drive way. Since I also have insurance on my tires w/ discount tire, i avoid paying for new tires every time.
The only thing I noticed on all my 3 Tesla's is the fact that the black tips in the charge port get damaged or stuck in the wall connector wand or mobile connector wand, and it causes issues when trying to charge.. luckily Tesla will fix on warranty but, if your not on warranty, you are screwed to pay out of pocket.
While having tire insurance, how much do you pay out of pocket for a new set each time?
@@rcfreak9 depends on the type of tires a consumer gets for their Tesla.
Tesla already come with michellin tires on AWD and Performance and continental on Standard Range +
and then,
There is also the type of tires for the michellin pilot sport all season = $289
And
Michellin pilot sport 4S = $350
And
Continental = $189
So it all depends on what version you get as well as the prices in your state given the inflation. Texas discount tire might have slightly cheaper prices than that of Georgia or NY. Etc. You should contact discount and compare prices.
I feel like that last point mostly concerns Tesla with their lack of repairability. Tesla refuse to sell parts and will only replace entire module at their Service Center. I have a Chevy Bolt and never had an issue ordering parts online and replacing everything myself. Tesla is also the only company not using the industry standard OBD2 port for diagnostic. It was the deciding factor when I was considering the bolt vs the model 3.
USB > OBD2
Regardless, there's no engine or transmission, so what exactly is an OBD2 going to do on an EV anyway? What silly thing to worry about. 🤦🏾♂️
When You own a Tesla..best Realize they own You.....!!!...Only Car Company that will not Share their Repair information/Manuals...All other Car Companies..Will....!!!
You forgot to talk about the actual cost of replacement batteries or potential repairs to “intellectual property” technology failure.
Thanks for the video, tons of great info
I have found that the tires on model 3 and Y last 50-80,000 miles if you don’t drive to fast to furious.
I have found the the tires on my wife's 2016 model X do seem to wear out a little faster and are more expensive to replace, but it probably amounts to $100 a year, which is canceled out by the fact that you don't have to change the oil and clean the throttle body periodically.
Great job explaining the issues and costs. We have a 3 and X are never going back to ICE vehicles. We can charge from home solar and compared to the gas tax here ($0.50/gal), paying $200/yr for an EV fee cheap. Also the Teslas today are worth way more than what we paid for them.
The Teslas today are worth more than you paid for them because they are devaluing the Dollar, and calling it inflation. Almost all cars are worth more than they were a year ago.
how lon you charge from solar?? a week ., especially in winter time !! if you go on longer journey you will pay more for electricity charging then for gas especially for diesel while you will charge much longer and have much lower range
Hi Kim! Great video. Don't forget about the infamous "Ad Valorem" tax in Georgia as well. 😕
I have to drive from DeKalb, IL to Tullahoma, TN in 1-day every so often. I just make one stop for gas and I make it all the way in 10 hours. How long will using an EV take me or should I wait a few more years and see if they ever get one that can do 800 miles on a single charge? I need more power because I would be using the A/C and radio so that will eat up some of the electricity too...nobody ever mentions that when you look at them. (along with heat in the winter).
Thanks Kim appreciated the honest talk, based on your 200,000 miles experience!
We put in the level 2 charging plug on our carport, we don't have an EV yet, just getting ready, and for visitors!
Regarding insurance, I have a near perfect safety score. Through Tesla insurance I’m only paying about $500 per year!
I wish it was available more widely.
nicely done !! very thorough !!
I also live in Ga and thinking about an electric car, what specifically should I be aware of or benefits from the state. I live just outside of Atlanta if that means anything, thanks.