Excellent advice. I've had two extremely dominant, disrespectful and distracted "studdish" geldings who finally started to listen and not run all over their handlers using this type of groundwork. It is imperative for safety to gain a horse's respect. This trainer does it very well, in a way that does not hurt the horse. The only thing I do different is praise the horse much more frequently when he does what I ask. Plus, I also teach my horses to calmly come to me on the lunge line when I call their names, for which they are rewarded with lavish praise and treats. A horse has to respect your space but you also want to form a connection and friendship with him.
BlackRoan22 you’re right, praising by rubbing a bit between the eyes or shoulder. In my experience body language is really important. If you are calm, proud, respectful and self aware your horse will see, feel and act like that. I only call them by their name to get their attention, not for another command. And even this is not always necessary, they pay attention the moment they see me. Horses are incredible :-)
Too much fear. Not enough fair relationship here. Demanding respect and not giving any is an unfair relationship. The horse will not keep you safe in a stressful circunstance, only out of fear, but of the horse fears the situation more, you will not be safe because the horse will feel it is every man for himself. This is exactly why every six seconds someone goes to the ER with a horse injury and why, every two days, someone is killed by a horse. Most people killed and injured are people who are long time horse people, trainers, and competitors who are all about just getting respect from the horse snd never about being friends with the horse. Best friends keep each other safe. No respect for the horse and no friendship with the horse creates animosity, fear and often, when opportunity arises, retaliation.
Nancy Nunke hello Nancy, I’m not sure if I understand your comment but honestly I think this is one of the better basics video on the tube. In my experience this type of training fits even the ‘total liberty’ approach and I don’t see signs of big pressure or fear. Respect is mutual like you state and starts with getting and giving attention. Focus is approving ‘good’ behaviour and ignoring ‘bad’ behaviour. In the case of fear training people focus on getting right the ‘bad’ behaviour ( even by beating, swiping, hurting ...). This will never be my approach and I don’t work with people doing this. I absolutely agree with your comment of injuries etc. I start my groundwork always just in the field without lead rope and harnas to get and give respect in total liberty (the horse decides if it wants to work with me and not me). I think eventually putting a horse in a round pen to get her feet moving and even to use attributes to guide this aspect would not mean that you are training the horse in fear. Condition is that the horse is familiar with the attributes and that you never beat or punish the horse with it. And that you praise the horse and focus on the positives. You can notice fear mostly in the eyes, ears, shoulder of the horse and the fact that it is not looking. A horse that runs and kicks in the pen is not necessarily a sign of fear. And fact is also that in nature a horse is a pray animal and we are predators, even if we would like not to, this is key. There is always a ‘confidence building stage’ in the beginning, because a horse wants to be able to trust. I love my (draft) horses and I hope they love me :-)
At last!!!!!!!!! A well explained and using horses who are not trained beforehand therefore showing the time n exact results whether good or bad but the end result perfect in time once your direction is clear and fair. Nice to also see the different results with different horses n perseverance is key. Well done!!!
Yes! I've watched so many videos and went out to use some of the techniques and my mare goes crazy, doesn't act at all lile the perfect horse in the video! Then I'm left like, "well what the heck do I do with this?" Lol🤣🐎🐴
My Haflinger didn't like backing up at first either. She is now very good at it. She took the longest of all the horses I have worked with to accomplish it.
hey man, i really like the commentary, teaches a lot. we people, really get stupid sometimes around the horse, because "beautiful and so powerful" makes us to forget to act in accordance with the animal. if you have some more good tips regarding the psychology of the horse and respect, share :)
I personally, dont worry about which way my horse turns as long as they arent turning in a disrespectful manner. Some horses are used to turning on a lunge line so they were taught to turn towards the person. I dont use a lunge line much so the horses that i tought generally turn towards the rails.
so the reason your horse is bucking is because you arent giving pressure release. they then think that they are doing everything wrong and will not respect you. you have to respect the horse as well.
Lindsay Gonzales It's to get the horse to move AWAY from you when you move toward them. You dont want a dominant horse moving into your space until they first respect your space and requests. Once they respect your space and requests, then you can ask them to move their hind end away and turn toward you.
Not if horse does it in an aggressive manner they also need to get used to you asking them to move forward from behind n you shoeing them because your behind your still in control of their hind legs n not afraid also
Nice and informational video, but the extra people in the round pen seem to be in a constant danger of being run over or kicked. If he or she is the owner of the horse, it seems like him/her being there with the trainer/teacher does no good, since not only do they absent-mindedly take steps back in a passive and confused manner all the time, many times they have to actively move out of the way and yield to the horse. Even if the horse learns to listen to the person who is being active and assertive, the horse also learns that their owner is passive and that the owner will yield both to the trainer and the horse.
Maggie D hello Maggie, i hope you got an answer but if you start to move the nose of your horse with the lead rope towards you (small, firm and decisive pulls evading it becomes a power game OT pressure) than it will start paying attention. Second step would be moving her feet in small circles, third step making zigzag movements always pulling the nose of the horse in your direction, if this not helps you should try to get the horse in a round pen to train respect and attention. This video is really one of the best basics! I train my draft horses also like this!
Alexandra Kruid Im not a trainer but have been around horses all my life, on and off. A horse can kick with the front just as easily as the back but, the warning kick usually comes from the back leg. So if your goal is to correct this behavior full view of the reaction and instant correction would be the quickest way to go 😉 you can tech them to turn in later when your just lunging fo r exercise.
Very well done! and about your question: I am an Instructor and trainer. Definitely one of the goal is for the horse to change direction always by turning in. But if your horse are in a process of learning goals far away before that step, focus in the goals that you want him to reach. Like a little baby, you don't want him to eat meat before milk. Step by step!
Great video! Thanks I have all the respect on the ground with my horse but when I ride his ears are all over. Spooky horse. I’m to the point of him either being sold or a trainer.
Yes, he kicked out at you in the round pen. But you don't ever use the whip on a horse. You use your body position and ramp up the pressure making him move, change his direction, and his speed. Wait for the signals from the horse that he is ready to ask permission respectfully to come in and stop working hard.
sonseere10 But when in reality.. if the horse did that to a higher ranking horse, the higher horse would go after him, pushing, biting, kicking.. so is it really that different? No
I agree. I seen a few times when the horse looks at him trying to come in respectful but he was still chasing that horse away and that's when the horse kicks. I think that horse was trying to find out what he wants. Looking at him respectful for an invite in didn't work.
Also, why do you want the horse to back away from you when you approach it? How on earth would you saddle it up if it is trained to back up and away from you??
Whips when used correctly are nothing more than an extension of an arm... A horse kicking another horse isn't very kind either.. but then again affective!
Gerry Cox Rick Gore never uses whips and manages to get the wildest of horse moving with his body language alone - he doesn't need any 'arm extentions'.
Rick Gore? You mean Mister GIGGLES?? he's never really worked with many horses... a couple here and a couple there... In my opinion a very unskilled horseman...
I saw a video were you can just put some metal farm stakes in the ground with rope. Three layers of rope like a fence. Lunge line I would say no if a bad horse. You need distance and your hand to whip him.
Hi Radak, I was wanting to download a small portion of this video to expand on it and talk about it in my video. I would give you the credits and link to your video. Specifically 3:26 to 8:44. It's hard to talk about different situations when you don't have the specific horse type . My channel is gonetothehorses. Thanks, Laura
Okay, so I refuse to use fear with my mare. She will back up on command, but she will NOT stop bumping into me and trying to rush ahead of me. Advice? I will NOT use fear. I use positive reinforcement, and she is doing really well with it. I just can't seem to get her to stop running me over. 😬
She is trying to get you to respond. When you see this coming, just turn around and walk 'through her'. Put in determination, she will step aside. Not out of fear, but out of respect. For showing leadership
How is the horse supposed to know when to follow you with his feet and when to stand still? Do you give the horse a cue to let him know which it is you want?
Voice commands is usually the way to go with that. whoa means whoa, when he's moving, the horse stops when he stops, and walks when he walks, or trots when he trots. If he wants the horse to stay still while he walks, I'm sure he tells him "whoa"
Ebony Eclipse Though I often use a voice command, horses are experts at reading body language and can easily tell when you are wanting the backup and when not.
Way too much stuff flopping around with that Palamino in the round pen - with the whip and the lose long lunge rope. This exercise should be done onely with a horseman's rope - maybe 8 feet and the flagged crop. Also, the horse should first have been introduced to the rope and the flagged crop so it knows those things won't hurt it... they aren't snakes, etc.
Teaching a horse to 'stay out of your space' is unfortunate. You are missing out on so many wonderful horse/person interactions. The first thing that should be established with any horse is that you are the 'herd leader'. This can easily be accomplished through the process of 'join up' or 'locking on' as it is also called.
sonseere10 It's just another skill. In my experience, so many domestic horses coming in for training have been "babied" so much, teaching respect first is a necessity. It's the trainer's call whether a particular horse needs work on bonding vs respect first.
sonseere10 I don’t mean “keep the horse ten feet away at all times.” What I mean is if I say move away, then move away. Don’t be so close that you step on my feet and run me over, but don’t be so far that we have difficulty interacting.
Hymmm, it looks to me like that mare in the round pen has this poor bloke moving as much of more than he has her moving - so I'd say the mare has him dominated. Our "hero" shouldn't have to move much more than his buddy standing in the middle of the ring with the red cap.
I know these horses would not have much respect for him if they were off line. Very easy to see that. This guy doesn't understand pressure and "true" release at all.
The horse is actually suppose to be beside you while listening and having the same speed as you where as the horse could nudge you from behind or even step on your boot. Its very dangerous for the horse to be behind you. The horse could get spooked and it doesnt look like he even holds the rope firm or correctly. I wouldnt listen to him about the walking with a horse.
fiona daniells It depends on your body language. If you want him out of your space, approaching with broad shoulders and bold body language, he should move away. Maybe not back away, but move away somehow. If you approach with passive body language (eyes down, shoulders relaxed, etc) the horse shouldn’t move away unless they are intimidated by how you approach them, such as walking up to them face to face. Some horses don’t like that and move away from that confrontation
M Chom The guy said everytime he approaches his horse he wants him to back away which didn't make any sense to me. Still do not agree with the use of whips - Rick Gore at Www.thinklikeahorse.org in my opinion shows true horsemanship - no whips...no bits ..no shoes...nothing. He was given a Mustang who was going to be destroyed as he was branded too dangerous. I agree it is all about body language.
Excellent advice. I've had two extremely dominant, disrespectful and distracted "studdish" geldings who finally started to listen and not run all over their handlers using this type of groundwork. It is imperative for safety to gain a horse's respect. This trainer does it very well, in a way that does not hurt the horse. The only thing I do different is praise the horse much more frequently when he does what I ask. Plus, I also teach my horses to calmly come to me on the lunge line when I call their names, for which they are rewarded with lavish praise and treats. A horse has to respect your space but you also want to form a connection and friendship with him.
BlackRoan22 you’re right, praising by rubbing a bit between the eyes or shoulder. In my experience body language is really important. If you are calm, proud, respectful and self aware your horse will see, feel and act like that. I only call them by their name to get their attention, not for another command. And even this is not always necessary, they pay attention the moment they see me. Horses are incredible :-)
Too much fear. Not enough fair relationship here. Demanding respect and not giving any is an unfair relationship. The horse will not keep you safe in a stressful circunstance, only out of fear, but of the horse fears the situation more, you will not be safe because the horse will feel it is every man for himself. This is exactly why every six seconds someone goes to the ER with a horse injury and why, every two days, someone is killed by a horse. Most people killed and injured are people who are long time horse people, trainers, and competitors who are all about just getting respect from the horse snd never about being friends with the horse. Best friends keep each other safe. No respect for the horse and no friendship with the horse creates animosity, fear and often, when opportunity arises, retaliation.
Nancy Nunke hello Nancy, I’m not sure if I understand your comment but honestly I think this is one of the better basics video on the tube. In my experience this type of training fits even the ‘total liberty’ approach and I don’t see signs of big pressure or fear. Respect is mutual like you state and starts with getting and giving attention. Focus is approving ‘good’ behaviour and ignoring ‘bad’ behaviour. In the case of fear training people focus on getting right the ‘bad’ behaviour ( even by beating, swiping, hurting ...). This will never be my approach and I don’t work with people doing this. I absolutely agree with your comment of injuries etc. I start my groundwork always just in the field without lead rope and harnas to get and give respect in total liberty (the horse decides if it wants to work with me and not me). I think eventually putting a horse in a round pen to get her feet moving and even to use attributes to guide this aspect would not mean that you are training the horse in fear. Condition is that the horse is familiar with the attributes and that you never beat or punish the horse with it. And that you praise the horse and focus on the positives. You can notice fear mostly in the eyes, ears, shoulder of the horse and the fact that it is not looking. A horse that runs and kicks in the pen is not necessarily a sign of fear. And fact is also that in nature a horse is a pray animal and we are predators, even if we would like not to, this is key. There is always a ‘confidence building stage’ in the beginning, because a horse wants to be able to trust. I love my (draft) horses and I hope they love me :-)
At last!!!!!!!!! A well explained and using horses who are not trained beforehand therefore showing the time n exact results whether good or bad but the end result perfect in time once your direction is clear and fair. Nice to also see the different results with different horses n perseverance is key. Well done!!!
Wow this is an amazing video. I’ve been looking for this kind of training everywhere online! Very well explained
Thank you for showing what to do when horse plays up. so many video's out there where the horse acts perfect and hard to learn from that.
Yes! I've watched so many videos and went out to use some of the techniques and my mare goes crazy, doesn't act at all lile the perfect horse in the video! Then I'm left like, "well what the heck do I do with this?" Lol🤣🐎🐴
My Haflinger didn't like backing up at first either. She is now very good at it. She took the longest of all the horses I have worked with to accomplish it.
hey man, i really like the commentary, teaches a lot. we people, really get stupid sometimes around the horse, because "beautiful and so powerful" makes us to forget to act in accordance with the animal.
if you have some more good tips regarding the psychology of the horse and respect, share :)
I agree the bottom line is RESPECT otherwise they do not care about what you ask
Great no nonsense explanation and demonstration. Thanks.
I personally, dont worry about which way my horse turns as long as they arent turning in a disrespectful manner. Some horses are used to turning on a lunge line so they were taught to turn towards the person. I dont use a lunge line much so the horses that i tought generally turn towards the rails.
so the reason your horse is bucking is because you arent giving pressure release. they then think that they are doing everything wrong and will not respect you. you have to respect the horse as well.
Simple and easy advice, good job.
I seriously LOVE this trainer.
Why would you want your horse to turn their back to you when they change direction?
Lindsay Gonzales It's to get the horse to move AWAY from you when you move toward them. You dont want a dominant horse moving into your space until they first respect your space and requests. Once they respect your space and requests, then you can ask them to move their hind end away and turn toward you.
It’s a sign of disrespect when the horse turns it’s but towards you.
Not if horse does it in an aggressive manner they also need to get used to you asking them to move forward from behind n you shoeing them because your behind your still in control of their hind legs n not afraid also
It doesn’t matter if a horse turns away from you when turning direction as long as it’s not aggressive.
Nice and informational video, but the extra people in the round pen seem to be in a constant danger of being run over or kicked. If he or she is the owner of the horse, it seems like him/her being there with the trainer/teacher does no good, since not only do they absent-mindedly take steps back in a passive and confused manner all the time, many times they have to actively move out of the way and yield to the horse. Even if the horse learns to listen to the person who is being active and assertive, the horse also learns that their owner is passive and that the owner will yield both to the trainer and the horse.
I was told NOT to walk in front of a horse because if they BOLT because something FRIGHTENS them....But yes, you explained your ideas very well.
What do you do if your horse doesn't want to move in the first place while on a lead rope?
Maggie D hello Maggie, i hope you got an answer but if you start to move the nose of your horse with the lead rope towards you (small, firm and decisive pulls evading it becomes a power game OT pressure) than it will start paying attention. Second step would be moving her feet in small circles, third step making zigzag movements always pulling the nose of the horse in your direction, if this not helps you should try to get the horse in a round pen to train respect and attention. This video is really one of the best basics! I train my draft horses also like this!
Why do you have her turn to the outside in the round pen? I have been instructed int he past to always have them change direction by turning in.
Alexandra Kruid Im not a trainer but have been around horses all my life, on and off. A horse can kick with the front just as easily as the back but, the warning kick usually comes from the back leg. So if your goal is to correct this behavior full view of the reaction and instant correction would be the quickest way to go 😉 you can tech them to turn in later when your just lunging fo r exercise.
Either way. But it depends. Your signals determine if the horse turns to the outside or inside.
Very well done! and about your question: I am an Instructor and trainer. Definitely one of the goal is for the horse to change direction always by turning in. But if your horse are in a process of learning goals far away before that step, focus in the goals that you want him to reach. Like a little baby, you don't want him to eat meat before milk. Step by step!
Great video! Thanks I have all the respect on the ground with my horse but when I ride his ears are all over. Spooky horse. I’m to the point of him either being sold or a trainer.
Yes, he kicked out at you in the round pen. But you don't ever use the whip on a horse. You use your body position and ramp up the pressure making him move, change his direction, and his speed. Wait for the signals from the horse that he is ready to ask permission respectfully to come in and stop working hard.
sonseere10 But when in reality.. if the horse did that to a higher ranking horse, the higher horse would go after him, pushing, biting, kicking.. so is it really that different? No
M Chom------What I said before is valid.
sonseere10 I never said it wasn’t.
I agree. I seen a few times when the horse looks at him trying to come in respectful but he was still chasing that horse away and that's when the horse kicks. I think that horse was trying to find out what he wants. Looking at him respectful for an invite in didn't work.
sonseere10 This man is not hitting this horse..
Also, why do you want the horse to back away from you when you approach it? How on earth would you saddle it up if it is trained to back up and away from you??
Your body language talks to the horse. They know when you want them to back away vs stand still for tack or mounting
A horse will only back up to those who are higher in the herd rank. Its showing them that they can respect you .
Good work... Firm and Kind...
Gerry Cox Kind!!!! Whips are not kind or necessary Www.thinklikeahorse.org
Whips when used correctly are nothing more than an extension of an arm... A horse kicking another horse isn't very kind either.. but then again affective!
Gerry Cox Rick Gore never uses whips and manages to get the wildest of horse moving with his body language alone - he doesn't need any 'arm extentions'.
Rick Gore? You mean Mister GIGGLES?? he's never really worked with many horses... a couple here and a couple there... In my opinion a very unskilled horseman...
Gerry Cox LOL
If you don’t have a round pen can you do this stuff with a lunge line ?
I saw a video were you can just put some metal farm stakes in the ground with rope. Three layers of rope like a fence. Lunge line I would say no if a bad horse. You need distance and your hand to whip him.
What type of drone do you use in some parts of this video?
Thankyou for your video but please can u make more
I prefer they turn with their head to me I think turning their hind legs to me is more disrespect as you're in the kicking direction.
It shouldn’t matter unless the horse is clearly showing disrespect.
@@gloom0259 i imagine if you're having issues with the horse some disrespect is involved already...that's what the video is about.
too much fear! Not necessary!
Can someone please tell me what breed the first horse is?
Hi Radak, I was wanting to download a small portion of this video to expand on it and talk about it in my video. I would give you the credits and link to your video. Specifically 3:26 to 8:44. It's hard to talk about different situations when you don't have the specific horse type . My channel is gonetothehorses. Thanks, Laura
Awesome video! good job!
Okay, so I refuse to use fear with my mare. She will back up on command, but she will NOT stop bumping into me and trying to rush ahead of me. Advice? I will NOT use fear. I use positive reinforcement, and she is doing really well with it. I just can't seem to get her to stop running me over. 😬
She is trying to get you to respond. When you see this coming, just turn around and walk 'through her'. Put in determination, she will step aside. Not out of fear, but out of respect. For showing leadership
How is the horse supposed to know when to follow you with his feet and when to stand still? Do you give the horse a cue to let him know which it is you want?
Voice commands is usually the way to go with that. whoa means whoa, when he's moving, the horse stops when he stops, and walks when he walks, or trots when he trots. If he wants the horse to stay still while he walks, I'm sure he tells him "whoa"
Ebony Eclipse Though I often use a voice command, horses are experts at reading body language and can easily tell when you are wanting the backup and when not.
@@judymiller5154 I was gonna say the same thing, they can tell by the way you carry yourself whether you want them to move away or stand still
Great video!
Way too much stuff flopping around with that Palamino in the round pen - with the whip and the lose long lunge rope. This exercise should be done onely with a horseman's rope - maybe 8 feet and the flagged crop. Also, the horse should first have been introduced to the rope and the flagged crop so it knows those things won't hurt it... they aren't snakes, etc.
At what age is this to start young foals .Be nice to see you work a yearling
This is why I don´t want those NH Yahoos around my horses! 'They cause problems where there was none.
Teaching a horse to 'stay out of your space' is unfortunate. You are missing out on so many wonderful horse/person interactions.
The first thing that should be established with any horse is that you are the 'herd leader'. This can easily be accomplished through the process of 'join up' or 'locking on' as it is also called.
sonseere10 It's just another skill. In my experience, so many domestic horses coming in for training have been "babied" so much, teaching respect first is a necessity. It's the trainer's call whether a particular horse needs work on bonding vs respect first.
Judy-----Respect comes along with the bonding process.
A horse staying out of your space is being respectful. And horses can lock on without getting in your space.
M Chom-----Don't get hung up on this 'keep the horse out of your space' stuff. That is lack of horse knowledge talk.
sonseere10 I don’t mean “keep the horse ten feet away at all times.” What I mean is if I say move away, then move away. Don’t be so close that you step on my feet and run me over, but don’t be so far that we have difficulty interacting.
Hymmm, it looks to me like that mare in the round pen has this poor bloke moving as much of more than he has her moving - so I'd say the mare has him dominated. Our "hero" shouldn't have to move much more than his buddy standing in the middle of the ring with the red cap.
When you turn your horse, etc, how do you know theyre not going to turn away or to when you dont want them to?
I know these horses would not have much respect for him if they were off line. Very easy to see that. This guy doesn't understand pressure and "true" release at all.
+Cathy The Grey WAS off line.
widgeasha he wasn't paying any attention to him. Very very little if any. He doesn't know release
When watching this video, the releases seem obvious.
I agree there is never a true release when the horse does something good
good
The horse is actually suppose to be beside you while listening and having the same speed as you where as the horse could nudge you from behind or even step on your boot. Its very dangerous for the horse to be behind you. The horse could get spooked and it doesnt look like he even holds the rope firm or correctly. I wouldnt listen to him about the walking with a horse.
absalutly brilliant so easy 2 watch
Why would you want your horse to back away from you when you approach him? Www.thinklikeahorse.org
NO WHIPS.. .NO BITS...NO SHOES....NO TIE DOWNS
fiona daniells It depends on your body language. If you want him out of your space, approaching with broad shoulders and bold body language, he should move away. Maybe not back away, but move away somehow. If you approach with passive body language (eyes down, shoulders relaxed, etc) the horse shouldn’t move away unless they are intimidated by how you approach them, such as walking up to them face to face. Some horses don’t like that and move away from that confrontation
M Chom The guy said everytime he approaches his horse he wants him to back away which didn't make any sense to me. Still do not agree with the use of whips - Rick Gore at Www.thinklikeahorse.org in my opinion shows true horsemanship - no whips...no bits ..no shoes...nothing. He was given a Mustang who was going to be destroyed as he was branded too dangerous. I agree it is all about body language.
fiona daniells I follow him too! He’s an awesome teacher for learning about horses and their behaviour
fiona daniells and yes, Tanner is awesome! It’s funny how he’s so feisty with buddy sometimes!
M Chom Buddy Hollywood 😂 love those three so much and really admire the horsemanship - I'm a whole lot less of a dummy now lol
Me the entire video or her
Is he your servant or partner?
Eeese dare annie reazzin far meei to drust a russkie?