Beating the Cost of Living Crisis - using a diesel heater (boost) as a heat source
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- In tis video it's seeing if we can heat a house, well boost the heating using diesel as the heat source...
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I installed one of these under the stairs inside the house with just the exhaust going outside (fuel tank outside!). It has already done 3 winters and has been a blessing with only a log burner in the house for heating. It gets the whole house (small 3 bed) up into the 20's and very comfortable in no time. We now only use the log burner in the evenings since having this even in sub zero winter months.
Ducted warm air systems were very fashionable back in the 70s over here in the U.K. for smaller houses but didn’t really catch on as some customers complained that the warm dry air caused them to have dry raspy throats. Eventually houses went back to wet rad systems on a gas boiler. They are now also on their way out (2026) for new builds to be replaced by electrostatic heating and ground source heat pump systems. (No gas in new builds after that)..
What a load of shite , you need to do some maths , one litre of oil can only produce 10 kw of heat total maximum at 100% efficiency , oil costs £1.60 pet litre , so if your 5 kw heater is 100% efficient it would cost £0.80 pence per hour to run !! Not £0.12 pence as you say the real problem is that your heater is only 80% efficient so the real running cost is £0.96 pence per hour , or to put it simply £24 per day approximately!!!!!!! Unless your heating a 4x4 room up . With a thermostat to switch it off for 23 hours , you are totally conning people who really cannot afford to put there heating on let alone afford to buy install or run a pice of shit that is designed to heat a lorry cab , just a thought if your that tight and you cannot afford your gas bill why not sell that posh house and down size you prick 🤔
if you dont have gas central heating then bang on..... no good for a house with central heating
What's that you say? It's efficient and gives you some degree of self sufficiency? Better ban it quick!
Please install CO detector
World needs more people like u mate. People try sort problems rather than just waiting to be victim but also generous enough to share what they found. Well done
You are so right, my ex boss always said to me (come to me with Solutions not problems) that always stuck in my head 😊
💯 agree
@@trevorford9432 staff always work better for a good boss.
@@alanjackson2540 unfortunately Alan there's not many good ones left now, we are all just a number now. 😊
@@trevorford9432 How different workplaces, manners, etiquette and attitudes were just 20 years ago. I left the workplace and became self employed. Imaging doing a desk 9-5 now. I'd get arrested for correcting wokeness and general stupidity.
Great video. Just a little tip, I saw this on a US video, the exhaust baffle should be level and the little opening in the centre/bottom is to allow moisture out condense and drip out. Currently, you’re gathering water in the bottom left side of it. The rest of the exhaust should be level not facing up. Hope this helps!
Thank you
Great tips. I will also add to have the exhaust even further away. The reason is that your setup is in a corner, so the wind could create a mini tornado and the fumes going to the intake. This has been seen more than once at dive centers with a bad compressor installation and they filled scuba tanks with toxic fumes. And if the wind comes from the right, it'll push back the fumes to the intake as well since the turbulence will spin in the corner.
I don't know much about anything - but wouldn't you want to insulate the hot air outlet so that you don't instantly lose heat?
And if the "cumbustion" air is hot, wouldn't you want to coil it round the hot air outlet for the length of which it's still hot? (or around the air intake to pre-heat the air a bit)
Does the temperature of the fluid affect the performance? In that case you might want to insulate that as well.
1l heating oil 72p contains approx 10. kwh of energy. 10kwh of gas =£1.50. 10kwh of electric £5.20 (Oct 2022 UK).
The way you have it installed is probably the most inefficient way to do it, it will not be very effective in really cold weather. Recirculating would be just one step in the right direction. This heater has to be located inside the space you're heating in order to be efficient, only with exhaust and burner intake going outside. Ideally in some adjacent space like the basement or utility closet and air in/out vents going to the main space you're heating.
Just curious how this is beating the cost of living? I understand that having these heaters in cooler areas of the house can provide a comfort convenience. But when factoring in savings on primary heat while running this supplemental heat, is it actually cheaper? Here in Canada I believe natural gas is quite cheaper than diesel. Can you share your cubic meter and per litre prices for gas and diesel?
Great video by the way, I like the idea of experimenting with different fuel sources and setups.
We are $0.0979 per cu M
$0.0923 per KWh
And currently $2.08 per L of diesel
Diesel is usually between $1.60-1.90 per litre.
Thank you
I believe whenever possible the cheapest and more environmentally friendly options is geothermal, as long as you have a backyard it is possible to do it on a moderate budget. After that I'd say solar, and on a third place natural gas.
@@zaratrusta79 my freind has geothermal its no cheaper
@@Commsfarage how is it no cheaper? the installation costs if it’s a DIY project are quite affordable, and maintenance is extremely low. Other than that the energy itself is free, it naturally uses the differential of energy accumulated in the underground.
@@zaratrusta79 it's certainly not free to run unless he's lying
@@Commsfarage take a look at this guy,
ua-cam.com/video/xc_BbbMi1cg/v-deo.html
everything is very well detailed in his videos, he’s definitely not lying. There are running costs because he’s using a heat pump, still it’s way lower than a conventional AC unit because it’s taking advantage of the free energy on the ground, and you can offset it with solar (like he does). I suppose with an even more efficient system (bigger loops, very well insulated house) you could entirely offset the heat pump running cost or with a fully “passive” system you could entirely go without heat pump thus reducing running costs to virtually zero.
This unit was designed for boats and works really well I have a 42 ft sailing yacht the heater is in the back of the yacht and has been chucking out heat for 20 years! and is ducted from front to back quiet efficent and very very warm even with snow on the decks. the hosue is a walk in the park to do.
We are on the same page with this idea Mark, I've got a LPG tank to go in my Ford transit Custom which I could run a Propex in the same configuration. You can go 'Off Grid' if you have enough Hate about the current Energy Crisis, as I have. I'm prepared to sleep in the Living Room because I can't let these bastards win.
Man after my own heart - good luck with yours
That's what the bastards want you to do though.
@@markrainford1219 they want you to...give them less money? Sometimes you jut have to cut your cloth with what you have.
@@user936 More then one way to skin a cat
LOL
You think sleeping in your lounge is winning?
I’m intrigued by that logic.
You can optimize it more, by elongating the fresh air pipe and adding another one, with a bigger diameter, over it and redirect the exiting combustion air in the chamber between the 2 pipes. The same should be done with the inlet combustion pipe. In this way you are using the combustion air temperature to preheat the inlet fresh air as well as the inlet for combustion air.
When I get mine I will like set it up with internal circulation (for simplicity). However after a welding course I'll make a box to mix the fresh/hot flows like you said - seems like a good compromise.
Also looking at extending the exhaust down the wall and through my electrical cabinet - it is big and contains my plumbing; this way as the pipe passes through it can keep that cabinet warm with the waste heat.
At about -6.6C my water inlet freezes up so this would be a useful secondary feature, albeit not used often.
Be careful with doing mods to these systems...it's not so called "common sense" it has technical implications.
@@jimosullivan1389 and Safety ones, no doubt?!
Good idea
Paul Pantione designed and patented the reburner you speak of..
Maybe worth pointing out that a 5kw heater like this might not be enough for an old draughty Victorian house as you say but if you have a reasonably modern, open plan house, well insulated and are happy with room temps a bit lower this could be used in isolation
By having the heater air inlet on the outside of the building you are causing positive pressure inside the home stoping cold air entering through the gaps
Your 24 or 30kw boiler is mostly devoted to hot water production if it is a combi. If you have a small maybe 6 -8 radiator house then the heating part of that might only be 10-15, call it roughly 1.5 per rad.
I drilled a small hole in my wall and put the exhaust in to the house. I am really impressed with the heat coming out of it. I will check the fuel level in the morning.
Assuming you didn't wake up dead...
@@koitorob Not yet.
Yes!!!!!! I’m so glad someone else has done this and put it up on UA-cam !!! Iv done this and I havnt put my heating on once! 15l tank has lasted 2 months and iv got 4l left , Iv also put it through my dryer vent so I didn’t have to core drill my house
How much liters an hour do you work it out till
I understand what you mean but just for clarity. In old houses earth under a wooden floor doesn't transmit cold into the house. The heat from the house transfers to the cold area under the floor.
Heat energy always transfers from a hot area to a cooler area. I had a lot of trouble with this so I temoved the floorboards, insulated beneath them and replaced the floorboards. This took some time but it made a massive difference to my heating bills and to our living comfort.
Thermodynamics
You're right but, the house remains cold...that was the point. The heat at the floor is always colder in Victorian houses because heat rises. The top of the room heats up first and it takes a lot more energy for the heat to get to the bottom of the room.
Absolutely brilliant video. This is the best in home install I’ve seen and I’m inspired! Few questions - could/would you put up a link for where you bought the green box from? Also you seem to have your heater in a suitcase inside the box. Is that something else you added, or did your heater come in this box? Finally, cavity insulation, did you have to do anything to remove the insulation from around the hot air inlet into the house! We are struggling like crazy with the rising cost of keeping warm. I have installed one of these in our camper and two in a couple of old VW beetles. Seems the next natural step for me to install it in my house !
My house is sold wall, so no cavity to go through. The Hcalory comes in a box already, the outer green box is from eBay branded as an Amazon parcel delivery box
@@MarkIansonProperty really helpful. Thanks for taking the time to reply, mark. I’ll let you know how the install goes.
Merry Christmas 🎅🏿
Have done the same although mine sits inside at the far end of my kitchen. Its often too hot to even be that end but it has meant I could actually stop using my central heating. Its presently 21.7 upstairs with all the doors open. The second benefit is being able to dry washing on a clothes horse very quickly so no need for a tumble dryer. ua-cam.com/video/RefOAhTdzVE/v-deo.html
I've got a 2kw diesel heater in my camper van & another one in my double garage sized workshop.
Will look into a larger one for the house .
Proper game changer.
Great upload 👌
Great idea. Good for a greenhouse too! Ps You can buy a pellet stove. Uses wood pellets And very efficient
Unless your using RED Disel it's not cheaper than gas surely especially the cost of the unit and the installation you wouldn't make your money back... same loss
NOTE!!! I have a Chinese diesel heater and whilst they are very good and economical there is one major flaw with them and that is they should come with a battery back up in case of power failure. The reason I say this is when you turn the heater off it take about 5 mins to wind down and within this time the fan continues to run. If the power is shut off at the mains or there is a power cut then the fan stops and the heat stays inside the unit and could be a fire hazard.
So it still needs electricity to run ? That's not practical.
battery backups can be bought separately
@@lise1255 maybe 10 watts to run the fan and 100 watts on initial start up for a minute or two. I doubt you'd even notice a change to your electricity bill.
As for the power cut issue just run it off a leisure battery and keep it topped up with a trickle charge.
@@antman5474 Better to use a smart charger which turns itself off when charged,
saving electricity.
They are sorted Mark well done. We have one in our garden shed bar. Top tip though Mark, make sure your ambient air inlet comes from inside the house. You will have trouble in winter where the ambient air will get too cold and prevent the burner from running at full temperature and fouling up and shutting down, which then often requires a strip down 😉👍
Good tip, thank you
Yup. I recirculate mine. Good vid. 👍
Unless your mechanical minded person you will find it difficult to keep it running I used the webasto water and air heater for 20 years although they been around for 30 years it would be one off the best however if you had to pay everytime it stop it would cost a fortune if you use diesel it will block up with soot and need strip down and cleaned at least once a year best to use kerosene it much cleaner and cheaper under 1 pound a litre uk service every 2or 3 years ps when we used then in camper van we got nothing only complaints to do with fan noise and the constant ticking off the fuel pump however this may not be the case here as the unit is out side the house however the down side to that is it outside when it needs refueling or service plus the damp which they don't like however it is Chinese and fraction off the price webasto which it was poorly copied off and maybe spare parts could be hard to get I'm just making some facts known before everyone rushes to eBay as the excitement could be short lived also these heater were never intended to run all-day every day (keep warm )
@@patkelly9907 Some valid points there...they're not for everyone but, serve a purpose for some.
yup, personally my first instinct would be to combust the air from inside the house too.
Monoxide is the stuff you get out of a 'M'OTOR cars exhaust, Dioxide is the stuff in fizzy 'D'RINKS pop.
Absolutely brilliant, thanks for the video Mark! Considering giving this a go myself
You could plum the could inlet into the house and a have a tapping on the inlet to allow fresh air in as well..sort of a T piece. It would be more efficient and still give fresh air in.
can you put a link to the diesel heater you use?
I'm using a 8kW diesel heater to heat my small condo - I ended up using about 5 gallons US in 10 days, about $30.00 US, which means it will cost about $90.00 US a month to heat my condo. I only have electricity for heating (no natural gas lines in our old building), so this little diesel heater is far more economical to run. It will even run off one of those solar battery power systems and is portable enough to use for winter camping - no wood stove in the tent! The only thing different in my set-up is I have the fuel line running directly in to a 5 gallon fuel can.
Spot on - next step is to run on solar, when I've figured it out.
Your 8kW heater does not exist, if it is of the cheap chinese variety. It would need about a litre per hour for 8kW. Your 5 US gallons is 20 litres. Ten days is 240 hours. Go figure.
They are not even 5kW output, actually, so might last 40 hours at full tilt. I don’t disagree with your costs, just the real size of your heater. Let’s not exaggerate how good they are on fuel. S litre of diesel only contains about 10.5kWh of energy.
The 5 and 8kW heaters have the same output it's only the sticker that is different
@@benwouda yup, you got it
I've got a model that goes up to 8kW. The fuel pump doses 0.02ml per cycle, so at the fastest speed (5.5Hz/cycles per second) it uses 0.02 x 5.5 x 60 x 60 = 396ml per hour.
Red diesel currently costs £1.30 in my area, so £1.30 divided by 1000ml = £0.0013 per ml, times our 396ml in an hour = £0.51.
Divide that by 8 to get a single kilowatt = £0.06 per kilowatt hour.
6p per kW/H is very attractive in comparison to 35p per kW/H for electricity or 10.3p per kW/H for gas.
Of course we have the additional electric cost of powering the heater, which is high on startup but drops during use.
None of that stacks up. Total energy in 1 litre diesel is 10kWh - and that's if you can burn it with 100% efficiency. So it it costs £1.30 a litre, and you reckon it only gets through 396ml an hour, the maximum the heater can be outputting is 3.9kW.
@@fredderf6491 The pump doses 0.02ml per cycle so it's just maths.
@@GaryMcKinnonUFO Maybe you shouldn't believe it really produces 8kW. Fred's data and math is correct, so something in your data must be wrong, that's probably the 8kW. And you can't burn with 100% efficiency, a lot goes out of the exhaust, so that 8kW you are using is probably closer to 2kW.
Hi Mark, great video! What is the box you have this in? I’m looking for one just like it to do the same thing. Could you also show a bit more of how the box is set up in another video. Thanks for sharing.
I fitted one in my home workshop two years ago. At that time red diesel was 69p a litre. Last year it was 99p now it’s 1.35! It’s getting more and more expensive to run them but still far cheaper and more efficient than electric. Mine is a 5kw and over 8 hours it uses a shade over 1 litre of fuel. Currently costing 17p an hour to run. Two years ago it was 8.5 🥹 Recirculating the air won’t make it run more efficiently or use less fuel but it will mean the outputted air will be slightly warmer but it will be negligible.
Fitted two to my ground floor a number of years ago, plus one in my work shop and one in my van. They can save money if you don't run them flat out.
Actually, very often a 30 kW boiler refers to a combi boiler where the 30 kW output is on the hot water. The heating output is less, sometimes by a wide margin, such as underfloor heating. For example, 70,000 BTUs (yes, I'm an old engineer) is equivalent to only 20 kW. And that would give you ample 'heat' for heating a 4-bed house. Thanks to home efficiencies, most modern rooms only need between 1.5 and 2 kW - so 20 kW is over 10 rooms capacity. A 5 kW diesel heater really would go some way towards providing you comfort heat in an average home, especially as the heat is convected (forced draught). Two diesel heaters would probably see you getting away with shutting your gas boiler off completely.
Can the poster tell me what make of heater that is, please?
Hi Jim - you're actually completely right and obviously know what you're talking about. I tried saying that in a mechanical engineer (hamfisted) way in a previous video and got slated for it.
I haven't had the GCH on this year yet and although not winter yet, it's providing the whole house's heat. Thank you.
@@MarkIansonProperty
Thanks, Mark. You've really got me thinking about this, as my house uses 14,000 kWh annually. I think I am going to have to do some research on these and buy one. The 8 kW ones I have just looked at require a 12v supply. That's normal, is it? Which one did you buy?
Thanks for posting the video - we need people like you.
@@jimskirtt5717 Some say that there's only really two types, the 2kw and the 5kw - I've seen them branded as 8kw but, that might just be marketing. I've got a Hcalory as it came in it's own case, so it's simpler to site
@@jimskirtt5717 8kW?? Check out the pumping rate in the specification. It will need to deliver about a litre/hour for 8kW. The chinese (and the Uk suppliers) simply con a lot of people with their marketing hype.🙂
@@oliver90owner
Thanks for that. It's on ebay under this heading:
12V Air Diesel Night Heater 8KW LCD Remote For Car Truck Motor Boat Home Bus UK
Do you have a link for purchase of the whole set up you have , including the box . Great video btw game changer for me & the family at todays gas prices.
Not really, I got different parts on eBay
What a brilliant idea Mark, had seriously looked at one of these a couple of years ago to replace my Carver heater in my old motorhome, never thought about using it this way, pure genius, methinks this is the answe to helping heat my old (1927) 2 bedroom end-terrace house, thanks for sharing 👍😃
Mines an old 3 bed and although it's not deep winter yet, it's heating the whole house, just fine. Good luck
@@MarkIansonProperty Do you have any links/videos to the products you used to make this? Cheers!
@@craigwalker5032 The company has asked me to do a video, so I'll do one
I might have to look into getting one of these as an alternative to lighting the fire during the day when Im home.
My house was built in the early 1700's. When it gets cold. its 2 jumpers, woolly hat and a coat on cold.
another top tip. Route the exhaust pipe through an old empty radiator. There's still plenty heat in the exhaust gas and you can use it. Bumps your effiency from 65% up to higher than 90%
That’s a good idea 😊
Bad idea. You want free-flowing exhaust on these so they burn efficiently, also if you are talking about running the exhaust inside through radiator and then back outside that is just asking for carbon monoxide poisoning.
@@moretrash4you correct.
@@moretrash4you Not necessarily correct. If you use a small fan downstream the radiator, that can completely made to balance out the flow restriction of the radiator. Also you can handle the CO poisoning by 1. Having a tight system - you are normally not having water seeping out of your radiators and piping do you? 2. Have a CO alarm to warn if the unlikely happens.
@@moretrash4you a big radiator will not pose a big obstruction to the exhaust flow and of course you'll still route the exhaust outside
This sort of innovation is what Britain was built on! Brilliant idea and, with a basic d.i.y skills, easily installed. No doubt the government will ban the use of diesel heaters but, in the meantime, this would prove invaluable to o.a.p's and struggling families if someone could, at a very reasonable rate, completely install these into people's homes..say a one off price of £400 for equipment and installation(just guessing the cost). If someone could, professionally and safely install a diesel heater(s), with a digital readout with start/stop function inside(just like they have in a campervan), change over lighting inside to low power led lighting all for a single cost(depending on how many heaters and lights needed) you could have a growing and successful business. It's funny though, with so much renewable energy available but such extortionate energy prices people will be turning back to burning fossil fuels to warm their homes, or even cook. How many homes still have old fireplaces that are boarded up? I wonder how many people are now using wood/multi fuel burners or will be using them this coming winter? Or how many boarded up fireplaces will be renovated and put back into use? So, renewable energies and the green agenda may actually cause more pollution from people trying to keep warm/cook food through burning fossil fuels.
This is great, thanks Mark. Do you have a shopping list and idiots guide? I have an extension with bifolds and I think this would be a perfect solution to the cold.
I'd love a link to the manufacturer or to where you bought it from.
Please could you send a link to the heater you are using?? Thank you.
I must be missing something! If this can't substitute for gas central heating, it is an additional cost to central heating, so how is it saving money? If it is just being used to boost home heating, you may aswell increase the thermostat on the central heating. I could understand it if a low or no cost fuel was being used, like waste engine oil, but diesel is far from cheap.
My take on is it’s not cheaper to run,,BUT once you’ve paid cash for the fuel, there’s no increase in my monthly bill..
Spend the money on insulating the external walls on the inside. Room by room if need be. This will reduce your heat loss drastically relative to the insulation thickness. Your heating expense will reduce by a greater margin every year as the cost of your heating medium increases and your insulation installation cost was a one off expense...
It's a no brained. All you're doing by trying to keep a poorly insulated home warm internally is wasting money on the heating energy source.
@@stephenmontgomery6186 yes that's sound advice, however how would I insulate my conservatory walls, they being glass for the most part, and I've already done the roof with 5" insulation most I could practally fit.
Still good comment though ..
If you can get hold of waste oil you can run these for free…
I have installed 2, there's a way to replinsh the heat from the exhaust by using an egr from a diesel car and running a pump with water, or antifreeze straight into a radiator, that way you are utilising 100% efficiency from the heat produced
What is the egr doing in this idea
@@leeyo5494 EGR would imply that the exhaust gasses are recirculated into the combustion air to burn off any remaining hydrocarbons. However it almost sounds like they are recirculating the exhaust gasses through an air to water intercooler to dissipate the heat from the exhaust, and convert it into additional heated air.
I think that you are referring to an EGR cooler, that's a good idea 💡
A litre of diesel contains 10.25kWh of energy. From a petrol station this works out around 18p per kWh. Gas is 10p per kWh. Red diesel comes in around the same as gas.
A modern gas boiler will be more efficient than one of these diesel heaters.
This is no silver bullet and this won't save money over a gas boiler. If you're off the grid or need to heat somewhere not connected to the central heating then it is a reasonable solution but don't fool yourself.
The kWh doesn't make any difference as it's direct heat - so many don't understand this - a GCH system is indirect...ie. it heats water, then air. A direct heater just heats the air.
The two aren't comparable as you've described and I actually pay the bills so I know what it does. The peops that are quoting "numbers" at me aren't usually the ones running them as I've described.
Mains gas currently 16p per kWh, plus Vat. Diesel nearly 10 kWh per liter or 20p per kWh with fuel at nearly £2 per liter. No standing charges with the diesel heater.
You would use agri red diesel at approx £1.25 pl
There is more to it than that. Localised heating. Reduced fuel flow rates possible. Oil can be stored. Not all are on a gas main. There is a price for the electric to run the heater.
@Spirit - you are correct: 1Kwh produced from diesel does indeed cost 20p. How can anyone therefore hope to run a 5Kw heater at full chat for 12p an hour?
Where did you get the box
But diesel is really expensive. Even though the cost of the heater itself is low, over time the cost of diesel will make this unsustainable. I have the 8KW that I use for camping in the winter. Running at 75% capacity non stop, the 1Gallon tank of diesel last about 20 to 24 hours.
use "free diesel", worn out car engine oil
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Like everything mechanical, if you run at high power all the time it will use a lot of fuel. This is a top up to GCH not a stand alone so it's used as a boost and settles into low power mode when temp is reached.
REd diesel is still available to the agricultural and boating industries ...if u can find a supplier then its much cheaper and legal.
@@mickymost8887 Not in Polin :(
These heaters run perfectly well on kerosene heating oil which is half the price of diesel at the moment but in normal times it’s around 30-35pence / litre. Trouble is you have to buy minimum of 500 litres. Ok if you have a oil tank.
there will be lubrication issues with the dosing pump due to the lack of lubricity of the kerosene if running on 100% kerosene.
I've got a spare Eberspacher heater in my shed that I took off a 28 ft boat we used to have. I'd been considering using it in the house for extra cheap heat especially bearing in mind I have around fifty gallons of red diesel available too. I'm please to see others doing the same thing. I hope you're using domestic heating oil, not road diesel. It's much cheaper and basically the same thing.
Thanks, I'm using red diesel. Good luck with yours.
Paid £89 for heating oil 2 yrs ago it is now £500 unbelievable now ridiculously heating my home with electric convector heaters
@@statementallity red diesel
@@MarkIansonProperty where the hell can you buy red diesel ?
@@statementallity Some BP garages sell it from the pump - it's readily available.
I have just spent £27 on gas in two days ,,and that is with my CH on at just a trickle... JOKE EH! this looks good to me ,,
It works as an addition to a cold house
This will hope to get rid of condensation. There is products on the market that put cold air into your home to help with condensation .
Recirculating is the way to go, I get the point about stale air but it sounds like your older house is draughty enough for that to not be a problem anyway.
What this is currently doing is creating a positive pressure inside your house, therefore forcing warm air out. Recirc would mostly eliminate that. Its a similar story as to why portable air con units aren't as good as the 2 part systems, because the portable ones create a negative pressure and pull warm air in from outside in the hot summer.
Furthermore I'm pretty sure depending on wind direction he's pumping contaminated air into the house, what a terrible design.
Iv got 2 running on kerosene cheap as chops
I'd have personally connected the intake to circulate the inside air, for efficiency, then you can just choose to open a window when you feel like it, I like the video though, I had the choice between electric heating or diesel and I went with diesel!
Hi
What is the name of the heater in the video and where can I buy it?.
Nice video 👍
it's a Hcalory from eBay
A lot of people are now sneaking these into their everyday life and using them for the home. I say fair bloody play to you all! I have 2 in my workshop, 1 in my utility area as thats not heated and a portable one for the summer when on the patio having a beer in the evening especially, when the missus is chilly, she loves it! So yes, I have 4 and they work faultlessly.
Hi.
Have you used a kerosene
@@CharlesPiston Yes, it burns hotter (which is great) but doesn't have the lubrication properties of Diesel. (some will argue) You can suffer early pump failure and this has happened to my neighbour that has a small canal boat but that said it took about 2 yrs to happen and that was running on pure kerosene. So I use a 50/50 mix and have done for 9 months now and I have had no problems so far. hope this helps.
@@crazy-diamond7683 Nice one mate. Thank you very much
You can automate co2 your inlet /stale air
I have mine inside using inside air. The exhaust is redirected into my radiator water boiler to absorb even more of the energy before it gets exhausted in the chimney. The chimney bricks absorb the last heat available and i cant feel any heat at all on the top of the chimney=)
I disagree that anything is better than stale air. Your air inlets are in the same general airspace as your exhaust fumes. Recirculating a vehicle's air when in heavy traffic reduces the chances of suffocating to death on car exhaust fumes. It's also more energy efficient in this case, as you point out. I think the best configuration of these heaters is three inlets plumbed inside, exhaust safely and exclusively outside, well away from all intakes. I wonder if joining the combustion air intake to the exhaust in a closed loop would make everything ten times hotter and make fully certain that those exhaust fumes have been fully contained and accounted for. I'm half joking.
I just fitted one of them for my father who lives in a Park home . It works brilliant and heats the home so much faster than his central heating as its blown air . Blown air heating is very good and can help deal with condensation. I think having the heated air intake from outside will introduce moisture so better to circulate from inside. Just make sure you have a co detector in the area . Inside.
How about the repairing costs
@@tamasszuroes9451 you can get replacement parts very cheap and the actual whole unit you can get for around £100
How much per kw does it cost to run compaired with your central heating boiler?
Hi Mark, great video. I have just purchased one for my workshop a few days ago and now UA-cam is bringing back lots of related videos.
What a great idea, just having this trickling over to keep the temperature up a few degrees in the winter to reduce the demand of central heating.
I like the box you have housed it in. Did you make the box or was that purchased?
I think I will be buying another one for my house as well.
Thanks very much 👏👏👏
Thank you, this is a box off eBay, branded as an Amazon parcel delivery box...pretty watertight with a sloping, overhang lid.
How have you found it ? Ive just yesterday bought one form y own workshop. I was running an oil filled rad but this should work out cheaper ??
@@bonesshed. I haven't fitted mine yet. I am finishing my shed/workshop at the moment. I am just at the point of first electrical fix, membrane and insulation and still trying to paint when it's not raining.
I was going to use an oil filled radiator or one of those tube heaters used in greenhouses.
I can't wait to fit my diesel heater.
Report back when you have fitted your heater. Are you fitting it on the inside or outside. I will Defo go with the Amazon box and have the heater outside. I don't fancy running the exhaust through the shed walls.
Maybe see a video from you on UA-cam with your diesel heater installation?
Are you using road or red diesel or paraffin / kerosene? I worked out that in terms of heat energy, if you have Economy 7 at 24p pkwh and road diesel at £1.85, there's almost nothing in it, but if you can run on a non-road fuel, particularly if no access to a cheap night rate, then doing this starts to pay. What's your 12v power source? Nice installation btw!
Great video, I am a domestic gas engineer and have installed a few of these diesel night heaters in my friends campervan conversions.
The truth is a 5Kw unit would probably keep an average home in the U.K. to decent comfort temperature even in below freezing ambient temperatures
Thank you, we have the GCH on but quite low and the house is warm
Thats interesting. I live in a small cottage. I just want it to be able to take the chill off.
Why not just use Central Heating all the time & claim it on MP expenses. Paid in full by Joe Public.
I demise the public and sell off all her assets to my mates, then I pay the media to blame the poor, social service and immigrants. Please go be angry at a bunch of brownies fleeing war not us.
Because I'm not an MP
That is GOOD, crikey I have a little fan heater that would cost ( at my current tariff) 54p an hour to run. Really made me think watching this.
Doing a google search suggests that diesel heater use approx half a litre per hour. Thats currently about 87 pence per hour to run. I live full time in my campervan and im spending £30 per week on diesel in my heater. I dont know how that compares to gas or electric.
I use a Paraffin Inverter heater which, if used sensibly, gives very economical heat. These heaters have many safety checks, CO2 , movement etc. Found on Amazon, not cheap but worth every penny.
Nothing about purchase price and consumption? I found a 5kw 12v diesel heater on the internet. It had a projected consumption of 0,48 ltr pr hour on highest setting. Diesel price is at the moment about 218p pr/ltr, where I live, so with a consumption price of over 110 pence pr hour, I can't see the economic point in this, unless you are a farmer that produces own biodiesel. !?
Very nice installation!
I am testing my diesel heater which had been sitting in a box for a year. I put it inside the house clamped to the top of my fireplace wood stove insert. I drilled and tapped a 3/4 inch pipe thread hole into the wood stove and the corrugated exhaust pipe fits the hole perfectly. The unit is powered by a 12 volt lithium battery pack that I built a few years ago. It will power the heater for 17 hours on a single charge if the power goes out again. I have a central natural gas furnace, but it will not work without the utility grid power. In my area, the temperature inversion layer sometimes holds smoke down low, and the Air Quality District forbids the burning of fireplaces in those conditions. With the grid down, the diesel heater will be employed.
Exhausting the diesel heater into the wood stove eventually warms the stove top but also provides enough updraft in the brick chimney to draw combustion gasses out. A stick of burning incense showed the smoke being drawn into the wood stove lower intake such that no diesel exhaust will enter the house. The diesel burner keeps the living room at a comfortable temperature of 88F, 20C, with the central furnace shut off. I burn about 3 liters a day of diesel on the H2 and H3 settings. The central furnace burns about $12 of natural gas a day to maintain 62F, 17C, but 3 liters of diesel costs me $4 US. In 4 days of testing, refueling was a concern until I found a plastic 5 liter fuel jug with a push button fill spout. I keep a towel handy but so far, the spout does not spill a single drop of diesel.
Great job
You've pressurized you're house slightly. This makes warm air in your house want to leave. It already wants to find gaps to get out, don't help it. Recirculate. You have enough leakage, unless you have a new home you're always getting "fresh air".
Great installation! It fits very well in that green box 😉👍👍👍
And if every house had this Antique fitted the streets would stink as bad as they did 50 years ago when we all had coal fires🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
problem with this system is .. its more expensive than gas according to your figures , and polluting to boot. pointing the heat upstairs ? .. yeah.. not a good plan .. ideally it wants to go under your floor boards , it'll end up upstairs eventually (heat rises) ..pointing it upstairs is very inefficient . recirculating the air wont result in stale air....thats a nonsense in practical terms.. your house can ingest enough fresh air as is ..re-circulating is much better .. you wouldnt notice anything stale.. except..also, the exhaust is not a long way from the intake as you say.. needs to be about 8ft away, or you are adding carbon monoxide , makes me cringe seeing it . better to buy a pair of long johns ..
Also that exhaust is still close to the intake, so you'll still be breathing in exhaust fumes.
There is no way I would have an exhaust within several meters of a fresh air intake. Weather conditions make this an accident waiting to happen. Even on a still night these fumes will not disperse. Not even considering diesel particulates which are emitted. Health hazard.
If you observe the cloud of exhaust around a car on a frosty and still morning, you'll get some idea of the seperation required. This setup will surely be drawing in exhaust fumes in those conditions.
this is awesome. i live in an area with an extreme air pollution. using "fresh air" from outside would be risky. in my loft, i installed a high performance air filter. DIY myself from scratch. 50m3 per hour dual hepa and activated carbon cylinder handled by 100mm RAM fan and ducting system. that lowered the in house smoke pollution from seriously dangerous levels to negligible. i think that both the diesel heater and the air filter could work in combination.
Just to let you know i have subed you dont go on here to often but just like any small operator I do support you like all the others i support small shops included even if it does cost me a little more who gives a dam without the small man/woman we are nothing are we ??
Nice install!
To be 100% safe could the exhaust be extended and moved further away from the cold air intake, for instance to roof level,Or would this cause issues?
This is great until you can no longer afford or source diesel or they bring out a by-law prohibiting the use of such devices. They would just like us all to freeze.
Yup, agreed - but, until then we don't have to freeze
Here's more info on fuels I've tried in the UK spec Vevo 5kW unit, with stock settings (with the controller-new type, late 2022, without the antenna signal indicator):
Best fuel, most heat, Kerosene=heating oil=jetA1=paraffin
Diesel, red or standard next best
Brake fluid, DOT3 diluted with 10% petrol next best
Old dirty engine oil diluted 20% with unleaded petrol next best
Transmission fluid/old gearbox oil diluted with 10% petrol next (but smelly)
Old gunwash thinners with 10% old engine oil to give it some lube properties not very good
Old petrol with 10% old engine oil, also not very good.
Acetone, brake and clutch cleaner (trichloroethylene- don't breath the smoke at all) or alcohol/meths don't really work at all.
With all of the hydrocarbons, it is pretty obvious that there is way too much air running through the combustion chamber, because the exhaust pipe gets really hot (wasted heat). If the combustion air inlet is choked a little, while still maintaining a lean and clean burn (at max fan speed), the exhaust temp drops while the heat exchanger actually gets a lot hotter. More time for the hot combustion gases to transfer the heat into the heat sink, as the gas is moving slower.
Oh and throw away the little fuel filter they supply, as it doesn't filter anything! Get a proper fuel filter...
If anyone knows how to crack advanced settings on the new controller unit (without antenna signal indicator), please post! 👍🏻😀🇬🇧
Great video 👍
I would install one or two of these in a heartbeat if I still lived in a house, I'm currently in a flat which is part of a listed building so can't do anything like that!
Hi, you can put the heater inside and the exhaust and air intake for the burn from the outside.
They ae efficient and you can use Red Diesel or Parafin to run them on.
Take care M.
I'm sorry but you are doing it wrong! the heater will normally only raise the tempreture by 10 deg the air intake to be heated by the heater should be recirculated from he house (ONLY AIR TO BE HEATED NOT THE THE BURNER AIR OR EXAUST) so if the house is 10 deg it could go to twenty after reheating that warmer air. if you use outside air when it is freezing the most you can hope for is 10eg and use a lot of fuel. I have used these heaters for over 30years on boats thats what they were designed for. You can buy red diesel from rural garaes you may have to fill a form out to buy it, it's a one off. Also the noise the heaters make is like a small jet engine could make enemies of neighbours quit quick. Also all pipes need heatproof insulation apart from heater inlet air for combustion and exaust this MUST remain outside, sounds stupid but we live in an age where people are told not to drink the contents of a battery, so someone did!
Hi Mark, Great video. I have one of these heaters in my vehicle, it the best £100 quid have ever spent. Im considering fitting one in the house but can I ask, do you have a battery back up in the event of a mains failure because if that did happen your fan would stop and your diesel heater control board would melt.?
Yup, you're right
You could make that way more efficient.
I couldn't
I'm currently planning to build a tiny house for next summer (2023), and I had this alternate heating source in mind. I even already bought a fuel tank, brand new, from a thrift store the other day!
Certainly doable as a secondary heart source after log fire ..
@@thorselckmo7378 That's my plan :)
There needs to be a down slope on the exhaust pipe to drain condensation. Or drill a small hole at the lowest point.
Also, in this position rain water could accumulate.
Thanks, you're right
@@MarkIansonProperty Absolutely awesome how you're using this for residential heat :)
You're injecting "fresh" air into your house that's captured what it seems less than one meter from the diesel burner exhaust pipe?? And you say it's better than recirculating "stale" air within your house.... I'm 100% sure that's not the case. Depending on wind direction on that exhaust pipe (or if there's no wind) you're most definitely injecting contaminated air into your house.
5kw/h will replace your heating + you can run free waste oil. Your 30kw gas boiler is ridiculous. You can calculate how much kw you need in 24h buy looking how much gas boiler consumes and look up boiler efficiency.
last one.... diesel produces roughly 10kw of energy per litre, assuming this is running at 60% efficiency before using cold air (which will increase flame impingement) then the loss of efficiency with using cold air rather than recirculating. Then factor in the price of the heater itself and installation costs...... this will take more money out of your pocket than save it.......... unless your nicking your diesel anyway
Good to see some one thinking outside the box When i saw these on youtube my first thought was how to use in my hous you my friend have hit the nail right on the head Well done Really well done sir !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hey Mark. Great vid! I've been debating one of these for a while now but your video has just sold me on it. Hope you don't mind me asking, where is the box from that houses the heater?
It's an Amazon parcel delivery box
Diesel heater in my conservatory with the exhaust going out the cat flap blocked of with a cat eating mat made of silicone cost a couple of quid silicone has a high temperature resistance and a carbon infrared heater on 600=1200w in the lounge small built-in gas fire in the hallway don't have central heating yet manage around 17ish on freezing cold day..
Good to see these improvements. Definitely much better. Glad to see you are safe.
The bottom line is that this will reduce your heating costs compared to electric heating by between 50 and 75%. I’ve heard the argument for using already heated air in the engine intake (with the hose taking heated air from inside the house) and it doesn’t make sense to me; I prefer the fresh air intake suggested here as it is probably healthier.
I've been using a diesel heater for about five years to heat my house,no standing charge, instant heat,5kw,25mililiter per hour,five gallon tank,lasts for ages with the hundred amp battery,small solar panel to keep battery charged up, when heated up it uses 0.6 amps per hour
Bollocks. a litre of diesel contains ~10.3 kWh energy if your burning 25ml per hour your getting 0.25kWh of heat minus inefficiencies. The heaters do not run this low.
Sorry, about one hundred per hour,not twenty five,
Funny that those that tell me the numbers aren't the ones paying the bills and often don't understand how they work.
Very good, Mark. Im looking at doing something similar, hence this visit !
it is a shame that not too many people use the Exhaust to heat water. or create steam for a steam generator or whatever. my point is that the exhaust heat just a waste for energy when you do not recycle it for something. because the exhaust on these things can easily get between 120-200c its actually enough to feed a Double Convex Radiator. Just saying!
Iv one of these in me caravan and the boat....i waz thinking about the house....but what you ain't showing the folks here....is were you put the ducts...does you haves the ducts alover the house or just in one room....be interesting to see a video about that pal much appreciated ty.
great video can i ask where you got the green box and whats the paint you used for the pipes and tanks
How dare you!
Hopefully the "diesel" is bought as heating oil and not diesel fuel for vehicles, otherwise the price per kilowatt-hour is going to be even higher than natural gas...
This is a proper house built from brick and mortar while the guys in America builds cardboard houses which is stupid since they live in hurricane proned areas and always end up homeless every hurricane season
But they never learn