Making The Shed Roof (PART 5 SHED BUILD PROJECT)
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- Опубліковано 12 вер 2024
- In this video I make the roof for the shed, which involved making two timber frames, sheathing the roof with plywood and finally adding roof felt - although I also talk about the other roof coverings I considered which included EPDM rubber, onduline bitumen roof sheets. The roof felting process did not go well - at all! But hopefully it will be watertight and weatherproof, and that's the main thing!
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Looks really good mate. Its great that you point out your mistakes rather than edit them out. So many youtubers make it seem like everything goes without incident & we all know thats utter rubish.
Thank you 🙂
“If it works, it works” that’s the spirit ol chap!!! Don’t let a little rain and some miscalculations get you down you completed the project at hand. In the end, it’s not giving up that matters
Can I just say how much better you have been at presenting to camera recently. Especially on this shed series. From someone who at one point hated talking on camera and sounding robotic its starting to sound like it's coming naturally.
Shh, now you make him aware again, hahaha
No, good compliment actually! :)
@@p_mouse8676 been watching a long time and he's come a really long way. I feel like a parent watching their child's first play. Haha
@@liamcowley8679 Haha, yeah, same here. It has been so long!
And for me always perfectly around dinner time when the weekend starts!
@@p_mouse8676 YESS!! I got home from work at 5 and was like shed time!
Thanks so much 🙂nice comments to read - made me smile
Smashing job Keith. I love how open you are about your mistakes. Makes me feel so much better about my own screwups
Just a suggestion, put a batton along the edge of the roofing felt. If you leave it long enough you can even tuck it under and screw the batton from underneath the roof rafter. It looks a lot better.
I'm also a big fan of "here is my well laid out plan, here is how I cocked it up, here is how I fixed that cockup". Way more useful to watch than a pristine job! Thanks!
That was some serious bowing wasn't it Keith, it's crazy how we spend so much time getting everything square plum level and then the timber says nar don't think so mate 😂
Yeah, I know, why did we choose woodworking?? It does whatever it wants and we have to deal with the consequences! Sounds a bit like my cat
Rag 'n' Bone Brown Sounds more like my wife to me!
Is there anyone that likes putting roofing felt on sheds?. If so they must have masochistic tendencies 😁. Great video as always as it is real rather than staged.
I really love it, cant think of any better job! Not being sarcastic at all ... ok maybe I am.
I love it done them lots even irened torch on felt on in past
This has been my favourite of the shed series so far. Good on you for showing us the inevitable cockups that delay even the most competent person doing an unfamiliar job. 👍
Nothing shoddy about that job Keith, well thought out and executed solutions !! It seems to be sealed well .... it will last for years !!
My dad always says .... " a man may run out of money, as long as he does not run out of plans ... he'll be ok !! "
What a lovely guy, pleasure to watch, cracked up at the grime tunes in the background 😂
Build is coming along well, you really "nailed it" in this video 🤔🤪
Not being funny but I really like your style, in terms of not being Mr Perfect, and in showing how you overcame unforeseen issues - I'm just starting out at the whole "woodworking-as-a-hobby/DIY" thing, never having done much in the way of DIY before, and I must say that having someone who also runs into trouble, but then thinks his way out of it (even if it requires some compromises) is a genuinely inspiring and encouraging thing ... so thank you :)
You can't beat the smell of freshly cut Timber when you walk inside a newly built shed 👃 looks like a nice solidly built structure. Increasing the overhang was certainly a good idea I feel 👍
Always admire your honesty on your videos about making mistakes.We all do it.That is the only way to learn.Shed is looking solid.Plenty good enough for a workshop to be honest.
We all have days like that, especially when we are doing something that's out of our comfort zone.
As always, your honesty is refreshing and will help others avoid the same mistakes.
Lovely shed in a great spot. For future reference, when doing the drip edge you should fold about 2" underneath and nail it flat through both layers. This gives a stronger edge, both for wind shear and nail fixing. It also looks really neat. Thanks for posting.
Great stuff. Thank you for a really useful vid. My shed roof disintegrated today (Storm Eugene), and you’ve given me to courage to have a go, following your lead, doubtless with a bunch of mistakes. Yours looked grand in the end.
A guy I know who builds himself a lot of wooden sheds/outbuildings for different things, and he advised me to always put the thick plastic sheeting you can buy from builders merchants etc, underneath the roofing felt. I've done it now a couple of times, stapling the plastic sheet to the boards and then tacking the felt over the top, and I have never had a leak, even when high winds wrecked the felt once, the plastic saved the day.
He also staples the plastic to every wall as well, before he puts on the cladding which he says makes everything really watertight, although i've not tried that as yet..lol
Great video Keith, and it's given me a little comfort as I thought I was the only one who had to keep "redesigning" as I call it, whenever I start a project.
No Mike, you're not alone...
Thanks man, been patching my old shed up, you have given me enough belief to tackle it.
I'm really enjoying this series and look forward to the next installments. I also appreciate the candid admissions of mistakes. It's comforting to know I'm not the only person who makes them and you're doing us a great service, if we learn from your errors, we'll save a load of time and money for which we owe you our gratitude whether we realise it or not. Thank you.
30 years ago we left Norwich for Australia. At the time i owned Norfolk Flat Roofing and you are right that was a hard to watch. really enjoy your channel and the videos. Well done.
Considering it's only a storage shed I would have patch the roof too instead of spending more money. Love the clip of Dylan watching you, making sure that you aren't slacking 😉
Using the buckets to hold down the tarp...pure genius!!
I love your honesty in this video. You’re just like the rest of us which makes it more real. Thank you for doing it
good job my man , music taste too 👌
Don't be so hard on yourself. You have a fine workable shed there.
I liked your idea to build the roof frame in 2 pieces and before the walls went up. I'll do the same when I come to build my workshop. Great job and great video.
Thank you
I enjoyed this series. You are an excellent problem solver. Thanks for sharing these videos and stay safe.
Since i dont know a thing about roofing i found it perfect you cover your mistakes just fine !!!! I think you do great job !!!!!!!
Not an honest days work without a bit of rain, good job👍
I used epdm on mine. Ordered it to size with some overlap and chucked it up in an hour using the appropriate adhesives. No nailing (which I hate the thought of) and ideal for green/living roofing later. Wonderful stuff.
I didn't bother with noggins on the roof but went for 4 x 2s to take the weight of succulent planting later (much lighter living roof choice).
I also used concrete blocks instead of timber for the main build to counter fire risk and made up some nice hinged windows. I also used a reclaimed front door for extra strength and security.
Thanks for candidly showing all the trials and tribulations - something we all suffer from, but good job in then end 👍🏻
You basically made a very different building to a storage shed and wanted everyone to know about it, top class hijack.
I'm a woman and I've learned alot, so don't apologize about your mistakes.
Very honest video, sometimes things dont go to plan but i think guys who are good at diy arent the guys who never make mistakes but the guys who make mistakes but have the resolve and the skill set to get around them , well done Keith great build great video
Form and function. You pushed through and got it done! Great work!
I’ve been following this mini series and making my own shed following your instructions. Sorry, I’m late with my comment, I’ve just been taking my shed walls down to build the roof on the floor of the shed 🤣🤣🤣. Seriously, a great build, and despite the errors I think that’s a far better shed than many of us will ever have! Loving it!
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Great video I’m about to build a 16 foot by 8 foot summer house glad I watched this
You’re vids are amazing really do help me out with regards to timber quality and techniques to use.
Everyone makes mistakes I appreciate an honest video!
We all have those days Keith. You chose the best approach, pack up and leave it til tomorrow 🤣! Despite the setbacks the shed is shaping up well.
It's sooo good to see where things can go wrong and how you fix them. Makes me more confident to take on tasks I have no experience with yet.
Thanks for sharing the good and the bad I admire your perseverance.
Dont worry about that patch, I always paint the whole roof with the bitumen tar paint before laying roofing felt, it does add to thecost but the extra protection is worth it.
Great work. Fun to watch and educational. Honest. Thanks very much
I like the bucket idea. Good job!
I also worried about using felt nails through to the roof, but I did our allotment shed that way a couple of years back; it's in a very open area and has gone through 80mph winds in the winter, and various downpours, and it's still 100% intact and water tight. Good to see your work, mistakes and all; I think it's good to show problems, as we can learn from them rather than making the same mistakes ourselves. I was surprised at how much those walls warped out of true, but good to see that the roof frame was able to get them back nice and straight.
I like your idea of using buckets of water to help with the tarp
Well done Keith, You are getting there! I think 1 of most valuable part of your videos admitting mistake- this way you educate DIYers what not to do or if already done how to fix. Please remember Bob Ross: "amateurs make mistakes, professionals have happy accidents" :) consider things like happy accidents
All too easy to overlook all those brilliant and well-planned parts of your build that will improve the shed's resistance to water through a broader overhang after one mistake. If you only built sheds there'd be room for self reproach but you have a huge back catalogue of great pieces so give yourself the benefit of the doubt and shake it off. Great video again.
Shed's looking great Keith! Sorry to hear of the hassle with the weather - it's such a pain when that happens. I had a similar situation a few years ago when recovering my shed roof. I found on Ebay a factory second of 1.2mm EPDM (with minor miscolourings/ insignificant marks) in the size I needed. Although the product is more expensive, the faff factor is zero. You know you have little wastage, no clout nails or bitumen paint to deal with, & the best bit is that it comes in one complete piece, so no chance of it ever leaking. You use EPDM adhesive in the middle (applied easily with a roller) & contact adhesive around the perimeter. It really is a joy to work with in comparison & in my opinion well worth the extra £, particularly as it is so much faster to install. You can do away with the plastic edging strips for a shed I think, & just use timber to hold the edges to save some money on the gasket type strips. Thought I'd mention it in case other followers are considering methods.
i like when people show mistakes there the bits that help others.cheers
You did great and it will shed 100% of the water (former roofer speaking). It looks fine and it's a garden shed, not the Taj Majal, LOL. In 15 years you can put a fancy roof on it if you want, though I doubt you'll bother.
Glad to see I'm not the only person who makes mistakes!
Not bad at all mate, does the job and doesn't look as bad as you think. 👍🏾
You really did a good job man , I'm from Belgium and sometimes I need to use Google Translate for some words because my English is not perfect ( you know I speak french ) but it's very interesting to see all your progress. My father and I are going to begin our shed at the end of the week. I will give you news! Thanks
You are a hero. Keep up the great work !
It looks good! The patch will be fine too. I’d tidy up the folded over sides by cladding them on the front and sides with some timber 👍
Excellent series. Keep up the good work.
Great work mate when I had a beach hut on the south coast we put the felt on the roof the other way with the joints against the prevailing wind ie over the top of the ridge then put a baton next to the joint with a generous overlap never had any leaks 👍
At the end of the day if you enjoyed yourself sod the rain, skin is waterproof and we only learn by making mistakes. Honest video we like.
Love love love the honesty
Hey Keith.... Gotta take the bad days along with the good ay 👍..... I recently did a job and I used the rubber roofing kit you mentioned.... I know I costs a bit but I tell you what.... does a cracking job and easy to fit..... Once you've wrestled the one big massive piece of rubber into place that is 👍
Looks really great mate I like the way u point out your own mistakes I pick holes in some of my work but it just makes u do it another way next time me I just redo it anyway keep up the great work and videos
Great appreciation about the knots! 👍🏻
Really interesting to watch Keith. I think my shed didn’t bow because the modular idea meant the timber frames were locked solid against the internal OSB before it was clad. It’s a positive I’ve never considered as I’d struggle to deal with that bow the way you did. Also I know EPDM is more expensive. The membrane itself is pretty reasonable, it is when you add the additional gubbins the price adds up. I went for it on my shed as I’d had a very bad experience with roof felt previously and didn’t want my biggest project to date wrecked by inferior products. I managed to sort the EPDM in a day and it is really good stuff, will be fitting to the workshop (whenever that may ever get built)😀😀
Cheers Leo. Look forward to seeing a workshop build! 🤞
I stand corrected. As my old mum used to say "It takes all sorts to make a world" 😁.
You should take a look at 'Handy Pack' sizes of nails. Usually around 500 nails for less than £10. Will get a job done without having lots left over. I find them useful for when I want to have all the sizes on the shelf for those little jobs that need them but don't want 5000 sitting around doing nothing.
Where are they available?
@@RagnBoneBrown I generally use eBay for them but the brand I use is available from other stockists too. I use aftermarket nails and Brad's in all my nail guns.
Great video! Well described, great edits, and nice job on your shed/roof!
Thanks for another great video, Keith. Sorry this phase was frustrating - but then that's what DIY is like :). Keep up the great work. Oh, and more kitty cameos, please?
I've never built a shed, but I plan to build one. These videos are one of the best. I'm just wondering why you didn't make birds mouth? There is space between the front and back frame (long edge) and roof frame.
Bird mouths not really needed here as mechanical fixings will be plenty strong enough. About to start a series of a new shed build by the way!
This has some parallels with the summer house I'm building: similar pent shape, and I made the roof pretty much the same as you, with side and front overhangs. I also used the good quality felt, and bitumen adhesive. I was lucky with the weather, and got the roof up, sheeted (18mm OSB) and felted in one go. I've also made many, many mistakes (or opportunities to learn for next time) in my build, which is still far from finished.
Good job Keith 👍 I've done this many a time as part of my Handyman service, always used good quality felt, none of the cheap thin stuff, lasts for years then. Would suggest fitting some facia trim to finish it off.
Good job
Please continue to leave the bloopers in. It really does help us DIY'ers to understand that critical thinking and problem solution is about 30% of the job.
Don’t worry Keith, the odd balls up is part of the game.....by the way I thought you bounced back with a good plan and it turned out just fine.
Well done lad.
The roof looks proper mate. Very tidy and not shabby at all. If I had the space and the funds, I'd be saying pretty please, could you build me a workshop of the same quality and perhaps a little bigger 😁😆😅 great video chap.
Good honest job, thanks
If the felt has bitumen on the back, you can use a plumbers lamp on the underside of the lapping roll of felt and seal the lap by pushing out the bitumen after heating it up either with your thumb or a small silicone roller. Be careful not to overheat on thinner felts tho 👍🏻
Comment for the nailing. Years with hot sun and some tiny expansions and contractions around the nails can make this a bad solution and rain can enter the plates under it. At least this happened on my roof after some years. I would never allow this way of having open nailing punctuation the layer again.
If you used the bitumen roof sheets, they would have screwed direct into the roof joists you already had. So you could have saved the cost of the 12mm ply which would conteract the cost premium. I used aluminium box section sheets on mine.. Keep up the good work
Only if the joists lined up with the arcs in the roof sheet, which they probably wouldn't have, and also I don't think fixings spaced apart that far would be reliable enough due to the spacing I used
I didn't explain that very well, I guess what I meant was I'd have needed to buy the onduline sheets first, and buy more joists to secure them to, but then I'd have all the eaves to fill also to stop the critters getting in
@@RagnBoneBrown I’ve used bitumen sheets in the past and I hate them. The corrapol ones I used, although they are all the same. Not very nice to work with, too soft and with one bad swing of the hammer you can make a huge hole when putting the nails in. Also the water gets in through the surrounding nail holes. Not very nice to cut either. While they are fairly cheap the begin with, realistically you want all the trims too, to stop critters getting underneath and then with flashings etc the costs fly up. I spent almost £120 on the sheets, ridge pieces and fixings alone. (Without their propriety trim) when I could have spent £89 on a similar size EPDM rubber sheet kit with the glue and sealant everything you need. I’m using Skyguard EPDM for my new roof, very interested to see how it goes, meant to be the best stuff though.
It's a long time since I've seen the British method of felting a roof - everyone in the US uses underlay - but their houses tend to avoid slate rooves. You could have used a couple of strips behind the gap to overlap and then fixed down the adjoining strips on top.
To be fair mate you did a good job, Didnt need to cut the corner, just fold the felt and tuck in under then nail it.
So where you are is their synthetic? Because where I am we put that on every roof we do, it’s not expensive, it does the job really well. Lasts longer than the roof does
If you have not tried it, then its worth having a go with "torch on" felt - a really nice product and so much faster to apply with no nailing! Normally best applied with a separate underlay and top coat - so more pricey than basic shed felt.
And it will last a hell of a long time. I think I,d use a green mineral top layer tbh.
Brilliant upload, weather does get in the way, your shed looking really good, soon to do roof on my shed my dad wants me to build a frame like the way you did, - I will need to get the wood for that yet - but I am having clear corrugated for light
Love you Keith.
Great job looking real good Keith, another option would have been to GRP the roof, that would have given you 30 year lifespan, and is fairly easy to do, but like you said felt gives 15 years which is more than enough, it is what you are happy with that matters. Glad you did not go with the EPDM rubber option, people I know who have had it done have had nothing but bad things to say about it and they are all in the trade.
Would be interested to know what the negative experiences are?
Good one mate.. i am still working on mine too but my case is i have my back yard 3 walls already made of brick so i made long timber as a roof structure and gor 11mm osb sheets and i had the EPDM thing and just waiting for a good 2 or 3 days to work on as the osb will get damaged by water easily.
Great vid as always
good job. Waste not; want not..
Adapt and overcome. 👍
Feeling the pain with you. 🤣
Sterling Job
Keith, blame Jeff Wilson for that miscalculation of roofing felt, because of the 'oversized' overhang ! 😅
As my old mate said to me up the allotment: "it's a shed". Good advice
Looks good from Winchester VA 🤓
Where is VA? Canada?
United States
I bought 2 rolls of EPDM as temporary roofing, when I roofed my house. The juncture of the Porch into the existing roof was a hack job, and some of the porch roof was rotting, so I had to rush and repair before snowfall. I needed something to ensure it would survive the winter and bought the first 10ft by 20 foot roll of 45 mil (iirc $99us), and the winter was well endured. I then got all the metal I needed to replace the whole house, the first 891 sq ft went slower than planned, but as I got the first portion done, but my walking on the other part exposed some minor leaks and made them not so minor. Some of the repair pealed more roofing off and showed some rot I had to deal with, that was not going to get reroofed in time so I used a second roll of EPDM, then a new area that had no signs of issue and I hadn't even walked on, leaked like a faucet running, and I was forced to roof that side ASAP, so a quick toss of some tarps was done until then (a few months was all) and I just managed to get that 230 sq ft portion done before the snows hit. The porch, roof section went a second winter with just the EPDM on it.
Over all I roofed 1500 sq ft using mostly 13.5 foot lengths of metal roofing the others were 12 foot and 10 foot Pro Rib style (36 inch wide coverage per length) on a two story with 9 in 12 (36 degree) roof, alone. One should not try this.
The day I finished the last trim piece, I walked into the garage and found it had started leaking.
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Now the two rolls of EPDM are on it until I get more metal roofing. Less slope and not nearly as high, so easier, once I get the materials. I also wish to expand the shed that is attached to it.
i definitely don’t miss battling the rain or tackling roof felt and lengths, i actually went for box profile sheets for my workshop just because i’d end up with at least 7 lots of 3m length left over, seems like a lot of waste.
Box profile sheets are a good idea! Wish I'd thought of that. Used them on my first workshop and worked well aside from condensation issues but that wouldn't be a problem here because of the sheathing 🤔