Gender Identity, Transitioning & Activism (with Lily Alexandre)

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  • Опубліковано 13 вер 2023
  • Check out Lily's channel here! : / @lily_lxndr
    A discussion on gender identity, the subjective experience of transitioning and constructive forms of social activism.
    Spotify: open.spotify.com/show/32Qn6UT...
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  • @Sisyphus55
    @Sisyphus55  8 місяців тому +19

    Check out Lily's channel here! : www.youtube.com/@UCHu6yK2Ht1J7lfvYBXv0OsQ
    Spotify: open.spotify.com/show/32Qn6UTMQd3ZFzkQg3xlgO
    Apple Music: feeds.buzzsprout.com/1407718.rss

    • @kepipek6598
      @kepipek6598 8 місяців тому +2

      Could you pin this comment?
      Thanks 👍

    • @qu765
      @qu765 7 місяців тому

      The link is broken this one works: www.youtube.com/@lily_lxndr

    • @gggghuijhh7676
      @gggghuijhh7676 7 місяців тому +1

      you have gender dysphoria please stop pushing your fake beliefs on others

  • @kenspiracy2792
    @kenspiracy2792 8 місяців тому +250

    Wait a minute, you aren't a stick person...

    • @gggghuijhh7676
      @gggghuijhh7676 7 місяців тому +1

      Being trans is not real. There is male and female

    • @defaultdan7923
      @defaultdan7923 5 місяців тому

      @@gggghuijhh7676true. which is why trans is real.

  • @lily_lxndr
    @lily_lxndr 8 місяців тому +71

    Some say she's still in the closet to this day

    • @user-kt8dy7pc8n
      @user-kt8dy7pc8n Місяць тому

      Lily, the sense of gender fades because as you transition further and you are perceived by yourself and others more as a woman, it's like you're a fish out of water that has been put back in the tank. You no longer notice the water as much as you did it's absence when you were flapping around on the floor trying to breath air through the gills. That's why it's a trap when gc feminists say what do you mean you feel like a woman. They are trying to bait us into saying something they can deem as misogyny. Something like "well I feel like wearing dresses." Dylan Mullaney walked into that one blindly.

  • @handlecannotbeblank
    @handlecannotbeblank 7 місяців тому +96

    I haven't listened to this fully but as much as I appreciate this person, as a trans male many of our stories and voices go unheard because media (be it good or bad) loves to talk about trans women. Would it be possible to have a transmasculine person in a future episode?

    • @URnightmares162
      @URnightmares162 7 місяців тому +16

      As a transmasc/man, i gotta agree.

    • @jesustyronechrist2330
      @jesustyronechrist2330 7 місяців тому

      It's kinda absurd how much of the "trans-debate" is solely about trans women. I think it's because the transphobia seems to be solely against trans women, so naturally, when you defend, all you see is trans women discussed.
      And that's kinda... Weird, right? It's this lack of trust in men, I guess. That they "infiltrate". Either women's sports or Christian communities lmao. That's what the fear is.
      And that's kinda fucked up. Not just because it's transphobic, but that there's such a distrust in men that whatever they're doing, there's an interior motive to fuck something up.

  • @iTsCrAzY
    @iTsCrAzY 7 місяців тому +69

    It is so depressing to see how stuborn and completely unhinged some people are (as is the case with this comment section), they feel intiteled to disprove other people's subjective experiences, while they stick to some unfounded views of the world and take it as the ultimate truth that one can imperically reach. all the while doing little to no research to see how the scientific community really analyses the issue, whether through the lenses of neuroscience, sociology or psychology. and that's not only apparent in the trans debate, the majority of political debates are always treated as a boxing match, and not as argumental exchange.
    To any trans person that might be reading this (or anyone who's struggling with gender dismorphia) i hope you always keep fighting for you right to express yourself freely, and never let these sick minded individuals cut through your skin, you may feel the need to enlighten these people about your experience, but a majority of them are only there to bully you and not to geniunly understand how you feel.

    • @majestic._
      @majestic._ 7 місяців тому +6

      pregnant men

    • @darreideamos2309
      @darreideamos2309 7 місяців тому +22

      Iam used to them but its especially disheartening to see these people under a philosophy channel. Philosophy the one thing against ignorance and a closed mind yet when it comes to this topic people lose their minds

    • @iTsCrAzY
      @iTsCrAzY 7 місяців тому +18

      ​@@darreideamos2309rational but only when it suits them.
      They usually use some half baked logic to justify their beliefs and then annoy the shit out of other people about how rational and impotent their ideas are.

    • @colbyboucher6391
      @colbyboucher6391 5 місяців тому +6

      ​@@majestic._ yes?

    • @imnotnotgameiacmaniac5327
      @imnotnotgameiacmaniac5327 5 місяців тому

      this is exactly what has happened trans people have become a demonised minority used for the boxing fight

  • @supremeoverlord0
    @supremeoverlord0 8 місяців тому +79

    Unfortunate to see people having an issue with transgender peoples, here! It's no one's place to restrain how individuals can address the gender dysphoria they struggle with. If they come to regret transitioning like many say they will, then that's on them! If it satisfies them and allows them to be their best selves, great! Why don't you all allow people to find their own path instead of allowing your disgust to act as a cage for people you don't personally understand the struggles of? I'm a big advocate for personal happiness.
    Anyway, very intellectual discussion, wonderful that you had Lily here! Such a great collab, you both produce such thought provoking videos.

    • @superiorbeing8805
      @superiorbeing8805 8 місяців тому +8

      same. I saw the top comments and thought i was alright, then i sorted by new

    • @supremeoverlord0
      @supremeoverlord0 8 місяців тому +19

      @@superiorbeing8805 Yes, I'm very disheartened that watchers of philosophically based content are demonstrating such close minded attitudes towards different ways of living. If someone is truly a scholar of thought, they should know better than to be so restrictive.

    • @Yahda
      @Yahda 8 місяців тому +10

      @@supremeoverlord0because ironically a lot of people who are interested in philosophy online fall under the confirmation bias crowd. They don’t care about expanding on thought at all. They just want to collect information that agrees with their bias.

    • @supremeoverlord0
      @supremeoverlord0 8 місяців тому +4

      @@Yahda Very sad. The internet's algorithm definitely promotes this confirmation bias through controlling echo chambers. I hope that one day more people will fight past discomfort of the "new" and find a level of passion towards reevaluating their worldviews every now and then.

    • @awath94
      @awath94 8 місяців тому

      Its not disgust or hate, its concern. Maybe i just dont get it but i wont affirm someone with body integrity identity disorder(people who want to cut off functioning limbs) and i see no difference with that and the trans stuff. These people need psychiatric help not surgery.
      Sidenote, i've also been informed that gender is a sosial construct so why do trans people even need surgery when they could just identify as whatever?

  • @felix5287
    @felix5287 8 місяців тому +68

    Happy to see lily on this channel.

  • @swoclomo
    @swoclomo 8 місяців тому +85

    I am happy to see this type of content being released on this channel. its very enlightening and i am excited to see more.

    • @mushroomkaiyoti111
      @mushroomkaiyoti111 7 місяців тому

      If you’d like some understanding from a trans man’s perspective and being peaked to the trans community and it’s harms on the rights of women and children.. I have some videos and can direct you to some eye opening content.

    • @Ten_Thousand_Locusts
      @Ten_Thousand_Locusts 7 місяців тому

      ​@@mushroomkaiyoti111please do, I'm very interested in this.

    • @crunchylettuce5446
      @crunchylettuce5446 7 місяців тому +2

      ​@@mushroomkaiyoti111 Stop spreading misinformation on the internet you impure soul

    • @tophatcat1173
      @tophatcat1173 7 місяців тому +4

      @@mushroomkaiyoti111 how exactly does a community that is for the freedom of expression harm anyone's rights?

    • @willcoffarchives
      @willcoffarchives 5 місяців тому

      ​@@mushroomkaiyoti111I'd be interested

  • @Goatachu
    @Goatachu 7 місяців тому +97

    I’m seeing a LOT of transphobic comments on this video and also just a lot of people who loving using the word ‘woke’ for everything and to them I say, please stfu. Let people live their life, let people be happy. There’s no point in wanting to bring people down just because they are different then you. If you do that shit you are just a sad individual.

    • @Trioowo
      @Trioowo 7 місяців тому +41

      Fellas is it woke to interview a trans person about the trans experience on your own podcast that promotes hearing from another persons perspective?

    • @mushroomkaiyoti111
      @mushroomkaiyoti111 7 місяців тому +21

      Thank you. I’m trans and it’s nice to see kind comments like this but I hope people also see the other side to the harms of these ideologies as well.. it was that community itself that peaked me ..

    • @Altair-El-Haddad
      @Altair-El-Haddad 7 місяців тому

      "transphobic" mate no one's afraid of men pretending to be women and vice versa.

    • @Nocturnimancer
      @Nocturnimancer 7 місяців тому

      No. Everyone except the mentally ill and ideologically captured is sick of what the whole thing turned into, the problems it's causing, and where it's going. We aren't stopping the dissent until the insanity stops.

    • @Goatachu
      @Goatachu 7 місяців тому +7

      @@Altair-El-Haddad and no one is saying they are afraid of them, you just dont understand what the word means

  • @WhomstoeverIsAStupidWord
    @WhomstoeverIsAStupidWord 7 місяців тому +33

    I’m not sure if you’ll touch on this later in the video but I believe one reason there’s so much pushback to trans men transitioning is the sort of entitlement our conservative society feels to women’s bodies generally

    • @mushroomkaiyoti111
      @mushroomkaiyoti111 7 місяців тому

      Females fought very hard to be even seen as a sex class. That’s a big reason why people have an issue.

    • @WhomstoeverIsAStupidWord
      @WhomstoeverIsAStupidWord 7 місяців тому

      @@hateyoutube-pv6fs who?

    • @princepeachfuzz
      @princepeachfuzz 16 днів тому +1

      oh my god this is the best way I've seen anyone put it, like ever, trans men that were still celebrities pre-transition get so so so much hate and people write things like "what a waste" & "we lost another one",
      i'm just gonna be civil and say "this person owes you nothing, would have and will never be interested in you or be even 1 state away from you, and doesn't need your opinion of what's best for them.
      society isn't civilized enough to accept trans people and that needs to change.

  • @DreamRealitii
    @DreamRealitii 7 місяців тому +28

    That line "I didn't realize people had gender on purpose" is one of the most relatable things I've ever heard as an agender.

  • @emil5884
    @emil5884 8 місяців тому +13

    Thanks Sisyphus for the coverage. Trans, like all people, should be respected for their inalienable humanity.

  • @sunyl5724
    @sunyl5724 7 місяців тому +8

    Lily seems really confident in herself (love to see it!) Nice interview, you should do more of these.

  • @URnightmares162
    @URnightmares162 7 місяців тому +61

    Aw man, lily's channel link is a dead end. Plus omfg the damn transphobic comments, holly hell can trans people just live in peace. Like transitioning and changing ourselves makes us happy and more healthy both physically and especially mentally.
    But anyways love yah trans people and supportive people too! Have a good day/night! Stay safe!

    • @ObliqueXuba
      @ObliqueXuba 7 місяців тому +3

      I am fine with that, I think however there is an issue with letting or forcing children to make that decision before they have developed their critical faculties and emotional maturity this can and has hurt people, and denying how genders work isn't doing us any favors.
      Be what you wanna be but don't alter reality, I understand that you might see me as a transphobe, however I truly don't mind people being trans, but there are only two genders, and there is also the trans between the genders but ultimately you cannot change your chromosomes, a person born a man will never have the chromosomes a woman has.

    • @URnightmares162
      @URnightmares162 7 місяців тому +28

      @@ObliqueXuba @ObliqueXuba
      Reminder, people under 18 can only do hormones meds. When someone is 18 or older then they can a further step to do surgery if they want to. So the only thing "children" can do is hormones (which you have to be up by a certain age like 12 or 13 and older to start these hormones, so it's just only teenagers that can do so).
      Forcing? Is someone forced to change their hair color as an example? Same goes for your gender identity and more. I deicide this stuff myself when i was 15.
      And like why does it matter that my chromosomes are what they are? I know i can't change such and it doesn't matters to me.
      Also im gonna be honest, with the whole "there's only 2 genders" i don't care, like i wish there was 0 since a lot can be to many.
      Plus i think it would help people more comfy with more fem or masc stuff instead of stereo types of "men" (being masculine) and "women" (feminine).
      Also i gotta admit, you do sound a bit confused bud, i understand since i took a few years to understand the whole trans experience.

    • @MasoHQlC5GW5btFZ
      @MasoHQlC5GW5btFZ 7 місяців тому

      when does this happen im actually so lost at how transphobes think we are trying to get children to do this where are you getting this from?? @@ObliqueXuba

    • @gggghuijhh7676
      @gggghuijhh7676 7 місяців тому

      There are only two genders. All the others are fake and make belief

    • @peachosaur
      @peachosaur 7 місяців тому +12

      @@ObliqueXuba id like to preface this by saying i am not looking to argue, but to educate ^^
      i think the most crucial part to understand when the discussion of minors being “forced” into medically transitioning is that it’s incredibly difficult to be seen at an endocrinologist for HRT specifically - and even if you do get in, it is a horrifically long process to be taken seriously and get the treatment you’re needing
      so with that in mind, even if minors were somehow being “forced” to transition, it’s hard to actually get any treatment regardless
      onto the 2 genders debate:
      biological s*x (sorry for the censor, idk how youtube filtering works 😭) and gender are two completely different things! and whether you believe this or not, it’s been proven many times over the years
      gender is a social structure that was connected to biological factors of humans since it was seen as “easier” and biological s*x is what you were thinking of - chromosomes
      trust me, we are aware that we can’t change our chromosomes! you don’t have to keep saying that lol however since gender is a social construct like i mentioned before, we all have the power to change how we present/identify
      it’s important to educate yourself on these topics before you go into discussion like these! id definitely recommend visiting unbiased and trans-friendly websites that offer a wider selection of information than what i said :-) take care

  • @Xcess007
    @Xcess007 7 місяців тому +33

    Lovely talk. I have a geniune question... How can gender norms ever change if the very people who are defying them join the opposite camp (transition)? Isn't it actually reinforcing what a woman/man should do, wear etc?

    • @9kingdoms757
      @9kingdoms757 7 місяців тому +23

      You are actually right about that. It’s that in those cases people make those decisions is because of the body dysphoria they experience in society as always being perceived and assumed in ways they don’t want to. So some individuals despite their principals have a hard time fighting this dysphoria so conform in a way where people around them will think of them how they want to. Sorry if this doesn’t make too much sense. Some people are ok with how they perceive themselves and don’t feel to change for society, and for others it’s much more harder.

    • @mushroomkaiyoti111
      @mushroomkaiyoti111 7 місяців тому +4

      @@9kingdoms757 well said.. what are people supposed to do? We have gender norms and societal pressures already instilled so are we all supposed to just be grey gender less blobs?

    • @fiusdhviusdhvkhsj
      @fiusdhviusdhvkhsj 7 місяців тому +39

      Well you're kinda assuming that all people that break with gender norms are binary trans people. But there are also cisgender people who are gender non-conforming, and nonbinary people. And binary trans people can also be gender non-conforming!

    • @Amaling
      @Amaling 7 місяців тому +24

      Trans tomboys femboys etc exist, nonbinary people exist. I'd say younger trans people especially are the least let's say caring about gender norms
      If it makes you feel better I'm trans myself and thought one way or another that basically trans women act hyper-feminine and the sort

    • @joanbauerdekanter2783
      @joanbauerdekanter2783 7 місяців тому

      Acceptance of non normative gender expression puts a pretty big dent in this question, a liberationist perspective that includes identities outside of strict man and woman does away with having to prescribe gender roles

  • @skeletor2012
    @skeletor2012 7 місяців тому +3

    The modern topic is about what the identity of a human consists of and what the value of once identity and its properties are. What does gender mean and how important is it for the public and for one self.

    • @owl3650
      @owl3650 7 місяців тому

      I'm guessing gender dosent mean male or female anymore

  • @SedonaMethodPlus
    @SedonaMethodPlus 8 місяців тому +69

    Why is she sitting inside a wardrobe?

    • @HippityHoppity_
      @HippityHoppity_ 8 місяців тому +60

      for sound purposes. if you dont have acoustic foam then a closet can do to reduce echo and such.

    • @Altair-El-Haddad
      @Altair-El-Haddad 8 місяців тому +13

      That's a guy

    • @vienna4516
      @vienna4516 8 місяців тому +1

      @@Altair-El-Haddad gfy!

    • @varunpandey9076
      @varunpandey9076 8 місяців тому +4

      ​@@HippityHoppity_bro said no to vowels

    • @Snackaboy
      @Snackaboy 8 місяців тому +35

      You could say....
      She's...
      IN A CLOSET!
      I'll se myself out

  • @kepipek6598
    @kepipek6598 7 місяців тому +23

    "The most important thing in philosphy is that: whether or not you agree with somebody, you should listen. Intaking as many varied opinions as possible is a burden, but it is the burden of the philospher." -Me, just now.

    • @ert5419
      @ert5419 6 місяців тому +1

      you are a good philosopher

  • @skatetoad3862
    @skatetoad3862 8 місяців тому +61

    wow didn’t expect to see this many transphobic comments on a sisyphus 55 video

    • @glengorblin4250
      @glengorblin4250 8 місяців тому +29

      It is pretty disheartening.

    • @tophatcat1173
      @tophatcat1173 8 місяців тому +20

      I try my best to understand other people's point of view, but for the life of me I cannot get into the headspace of bigots. Like how do you even justify hating a group of people like that? I just don't understand.

    • @Altair-El-Haddad
      @Altair-El-Haddad 8 місяців тому +5

      You mean sane people? You should be happy rather.

    • @five-fold
      @five-fold 8 місяців тому +20

      its genuinely incredible. we can tackle every single other topic, but god forbid we talk about wanting to transition /s

    • @cagywarlock7
      @cagywarlock7 8 місяців тому +16

      Yeah it's a real bummer but we're the target of a cultural witch hunt rn

  • @8lec_R
    @8lec_R 7 місяців тому +24

    We stan Lily

  • @nerd26373
    @nerd26373 8 місяців тому +10

    I'm all for people taking the reigns and decide for whatever makes them whole and happy. Probably I'd live out the rest of my entire life feeding my defenseless ego until I reach the point where I can't do it anymore. Well, I guess that explains how I got to this point.

    • @PostScarcitytCat
      @PostScarcitytCat 7 місяців тому +1

      You can become a freer subject, I believe in you.

  • @PostScarcitytCat
    @PostScarcitytCat 7 місяців тому +9

    I loved this discussion. I've enjoyed both your content seperately for ages. I would suggest you talk to an IWP rep to follow up on your final point of discussion, because it is not anywhere near as easy as "just unionise your workplace" and you need the proper knowledge of strategy to do so succesfully. It would be in line with your critique of the practical stagnation of online politics: to do a discussion with a person who helps train union organisers !

  • @elbereth2048
    @elbereth2048 8 місяців тому +10

    :0 hype collab

  • @alexgalvan4710
    @alexgalvan4710 8 місяців тому +35

    Holy shit! The collab I never knew I needed

  • @babayaga5620
    @babayaga5620 8 місяців тому +10

    What happened to "other side of having a crush" 😢

    • @tyroneriley1657
      @tyroneriley1657 8 місяців тому +3

      I didn’t even get a chance to watch it

    • @Sticks_And_Glue
      @Sticks_And_Glue 8 місяців тому +1

      I know! I wanted to know what that was like

  • @tremoxo
    @tremoxo 8 місяців тому +14

    Is she in a closet?!

    • @glitchphase2448
      @glitchphase2448 8 місяців тому +25

      not anymore obviously

    • @HippityHoppity_
      @HippityHoppity_ 8 місяців тому +2

      ​@@glitchphase2448best comment

    • @Altair-El-Haddad
      @Altair-El-Haddad 8 місяців тому +5

      He*

    • @tremoxo
      @tremoxo 8 місяців тому +6

      @@Altair-El-Haddad He She or It ? how do you call the goats you've been messing arround since you're 10yo?

    • @Altair-El-Haddad
      @Altair-El-Haddad 8 місяців тому

      @@tremoxo so how does it feel to be a Democrat and vaccinated? May you get well soon. My prayers are with you.

  • @akiroai6577
    @akiroai6577 8 місяців тому +62

    watched this 16 times, this is a certified sisyphus classic

    • @krumpliii
      @krumpliii 8 місяців тому +12

      It was published 28 minutes ago, and you commented this 26 minutes ago... so you watched the first 4 minutes on 2x speed. You didn't even have the time to watch it ONCE....
      I watched the whole thing, it wasn't helpful to understand anything about this thing at all.
      I am amazed that people can change their voice so well (or they can use voice changer software? maybe?), i wouldn't say it was just a dude. So this was interesting...

    • @phantomstriker7996
      @phantomstriker7996 8 місяців тому +12

      ​@@krumpliiiNah there existed special plugins that make the video play 100x faster

    • @TR1sosi
      @TR1sosi 8 місяців тому +8

      @@krumpliii🤓

    • @cagywarlock7
      @cagywarlock7 8 місяців тому

      🤓

    • @udayanbanerjee1
      @udayanbanerjee1 8 місяців тому +5

      ​@@krumpliii 🤓

  • @ProNice
    @ProNice 8 місяців тому +7

    Very impressive! -thank you!

  • @Lucroq
    @Lucroq 7 місяців тому +2

    I was wholly expecting Lily to just pass out at some point in the latter half. I know this isn't a meta bit, so why stay in the closet for so long?

  • @akfkml1747
    @akfkml1747 8 місяців тому +29

    whatever you believe in, it is not your job to question the choice of people about their gender. transphobia is bigotry because you feel so urgent to talk about people's identity when you wouldn't even know what they were until they came out.

    • @mushroomkaiyoti111
      @mushroomkaiyoti111 8 місяців тому +5

      Thank you for this comment.

    • @skeletor2012
      @skeletor2012 7 місяців тому

      What is the job of a human?

    • @jackmancrazy
      @jackmancrazy 7 місяців тому +2

      It is our job to critically look at the state of education and the influence over future generations. It is our job to set the new generation up for personal success knowing that they are an extremely suggestible population. There isn’t evidence to suggest that going down the lifelong route of deviant gender identity is a good idea or assists in living a fulfilling life. It seems as if this path adds a huge amount of physical ailments rather than relieving mental ailments

    • @Goatachu
      @Goatachu 7 місяців тому +4

      @@jackmancrazy tf are you yapping about

    • @jackmancrazy
      @jackmancrazy 7 місяців тому

      Debate over social duties as indicated by the original comment

  • @phi180
    @phi180 8 місяців тому +5

    link to lily´s channel is broken

  • @carterwelker7782
    @carterwelker7782 8 місяців тому +1

    41:43 Can anyone give me some good starting points for Pragmatist school of thought

    • @ipoopeveryday
      @ipoopeveryday 7 місяців тому

      John Dewey is kind of the "aggregate" thinker in the Pragmatist school, being the last link between the initial William James/Charles Sanders Peirce founding of the philosophical movement and the later "Neopragmatist" school of Richard Rorty/Jurgen Habermas. Dewey's more popular book "Democracy and Education," more sociological book "Individualism Old and New," and my favorite and less read book "The Quest for Certainty" are all great places to start. Also, James' work "Pragmatism." Other than that, the online Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy is a great and free resource! It's a fascinating school mainly in that it both serves as a bridge between the continental/analytical philosophical schools AND is basically both and neither. Enjoy!

  • @gonzera908
    @gonzera908 8 місяців тому +9

    certified hood classic

  • @fuwe
    @fuwe 8 місяців тому +3

    u should do a podcast episode w/ casually explained on his non dualism

  • @benney9908
    @benney9908 7 місяців тому +11

    it's nice to see a video about the topic since this channel helped me a lot when i first found out i'm trans. maybe it's also some positive exposure for some people who have transphobic tendencies

    • @TheCyanSqueegee
      @TheCyanSqueegee 7 місяців тому +1

      Looking at these comments, it seems there's quite a few who found themselves here. Disheartening to see on a channel which deconstructs gender often when it comes to masculinity but I suppose it's hard to escape generally on the internet.

  • @B1under556
    @B1under556 7 місяців тому +9

    Just wanna say this here, I used to be what you can define as a transphobe. Mainly because the face of these movements that advocate for things like “trans acceptance” were these stereotypical angry young people who seemed like they have a very self-contained shut-in like view of the world, a view it seems would prove to me that the “woke” movement is one that is pushed by mainly people it would be easy to shove aside as people of disrepute. The reason I’m not a transphobe or have a distasteful attitude towards what people are pushing as modern day values and beliefs. Is that I have met people who identify as the opposite gender or have a same sex attraction, these people have become what I can call very close friends. These people are the most respectful, kind, and truly loving characters who I can say I care about. I really changed as a person seeing all these people that have these modern characteristics that I was so uncomfortable with, just being… normal, human beings like me and you who also go through all the chronic upsets and challenges that I go through. And in fact they face more mental challenge as opposed to me as they have an inner conflict about what gender they are comfortable with. I think that this is important for trans people to hear, all these “unprogressive” people who have a very rough stance on modern issues I think just have a lack of connection with the people that have a more open agenda. As a young man myself and more of a conservative, I think other young people with hateful views should try and think outside of the box and not minimize their worldview on things only shown through the mainstream media and activism. I know that was a lot to read, maybe even hardly legible. It is also fairly likely that no one is going to read this, but I just thought it was important to say.

  • @merhy5509
    @merhy5509 8 місяців тому +3

    i would love to see a podcast episode with allison escalante if possible

  • @CelsteOld
    @CelsteOld 7 місяців тому +5

    Loving the closet queen

  • @firesalamander4795
    @firesalamander4795 8 місяців тому +16

    Damn that's interesting I always thought. I always thought that content that is produced by modern philosopher like idk zupancic book what is sex or Zizek ranting about the lacanian sexual difference. Are severely outdated. Because we have all that multiplicity of new identities and these uncharted territory. But after listening to you two I'm like. It's a good point that stuff like new gender identities don't have a large developed political program. So now I'm like. Is the final idea more in line of hooks thinking, that we need this mass intersectional movement to dismantle the sexist opression or we need, like Lilly says. Move past the gendered reality so more akin to Foucault.

    • @Fung43
      @Fung43 8 місяців тому

      Wrong :/ and I’m not gonna try to be nice about you spreading fake information because this is why so many young people in the community kill themselves. You all invite them in with big emotional tears and big fake smiles and say “yeah yeah come over here! Identify with us! We’ll keep you safe, not like those mean offensive bullies in your family and friend groups!” And then they enter and realize there’s literally 0 structure or understanding and they’re completely on their own mentally because the .00001% of them that aren’t mentally ill couldn’t possibly reach out to every single child being coerced into this lifestyle while never being told anything true.
      this isn’t new territory. These aren’t new identities. That is in fact so insane to read I can only assume you’re either a child or you literally didn’t pay attention at all in high school because you were busy looking deviant art or tumblr. Im not surprised when the only people you even mentioned are new age, pop “intellectuals” like Zizek. I mean Foucault? Did you just start at “people everyone who thinks they’re smart but is actually very low IQ mentions to feel smart in a public setting.” Wake up and realize you think and talk exactly like all these other people and then wake up that after you persuade people into thinking like yourself too, they statistically are going to fucking kill themselves and it’s exactly because of the confusing, meaningless, incorrect, and FAKE EMOTIONAL MISINFORMATION BULLSHIT LIKE THIS HORSE FUCKING SHIT. I don’t know why you elect to write entire paragraphs so dramatically about something you don’t know anything about. That’s INSANE.
      If you ever decide to actually look anything up to have a better understanding of reality instead of getting emotionally and leaving paragraphs worth of emotional opinion disguised as fact, you’d actual end up helping your cause 10 fold than the 0% you’re helping them by being incorrect.
      Humans dealing men and women not feeling like men and women has been around for almost as long as humanity. Civilizations throughout time have clear evidence of this that you must have been too busy commenting to ever hear about.
      These situations have played out for thousands of years and here’s the thing I know you don’t like. It didn’t end well for those people in those civilizations. Not because the prejudice, in fact most civilizations celebrated these men that dressed as women and vice versa. It didn’t end well because, as observed, when humans live as something they are not then they experience turmoil and die. I get that’s not fun to learn about but hey, at least I’m telling the truth and not emotionally leaving comments luring people into a lifestyle that’s gonna land them with permanent mental trauma the likes of which no average human can relate to, and then they’ll probably die. Not to mention how the hormonal science is not well researched and that also leads to a plethora of permanent health effects!
      But hey sure. Go ahead and play pretend without every actually researching something. Celebrate your community when every fucking one else is trying to get you clean yourselves the fuck up so the children in your community stop KILLING THEMSELVES. But yeah keep ignoring them and comment on pop philosophy UA-camrs so you can feel like you’re progressively and bravely leading the front of these “new uncharted territories!”
      Jesus Christ why do all people with your personality talk like you wanna be in adventure time, it’s unhinged. Hey but whatever! You don’t actually give a shit or you would’ve just looked up anything on the subject that wasn’t recommended on your homepage. Just keep using buzzwords like everyone else exactly like you but never be smart enough to become self aware that you’re saying the same exact thing. You all DECIDED to go head first into this lifestyle and in the process said FUCK YOU MOM AND DAD and anyone else that didn’t fully understand what they were doing. And you know why they don’t understand? BECAUSE YOU DONT. BECAUSE YOUR EXPLANATIONS ARE WRONG AND DONT MAKE SENSE AND YOU JUST GET EMOTIONAL AND ANGRY IF ANYONE CALLS THAT OUT. AND THEN THERES NO REALITY OR STRUCTURE IN YOUR COMMUNITY, ITS ALL WELCOMING WITH BIG SMILES AND PROMISES OF A BETTER LIFE AND SAFETY. AND THEN STATISTICALLY MOST OF YOU GUYS KILL YOURSELVES. BUT YOU LOOK AT THAT LIKE A NECESSARY CASUALTY. CHILDREN DEAD AND YOURE THINKING “oh well it makes sense because we are being marginalized! It’s like civil rights or gay rights! People are gonna put us down but we must continue the adventure! We must keep marching!”
      YOURE NOT IN THE SAME BOAT AS THOSE THINGS AT ALL. YOU ARE NO CIVIL RIGHTS ANYTHING. NO ONE IS BLOCKING YOUR RIGHTS TO DEMONSTRATE. NO ONE IS BLOCKING YOUR PRIVILEGES YOU HAVE OVER CIS PEOPLE. NO ONE EVEN FUCKING CARES, WE JUST DONT KNOW WHAT THE FUCK YOURE DOING BECAUSE YOU DONT KNOW WHAT THE FUCK YOURE DOING. MAYBE IF YOU CANT EXPLAIN YOUR SITUATION COHERENTLY YOURE FUCKING CRAZY AND NOT MLKjr.
      THERE ARE LITERALLY MORE LAWS PROTECTING CHILD TRANSITIONING THAN AGAINST IT. SO THE DEATH. THE SUICIDE. ITS FROM YOU GUYS. THATS A DIRECT CAUSE FROM WHATEVER THE FUCK YOU ARE DOING. NOT SOCIETY. WHY DONT YOU TAKE FUCKING RESPONSIBILITY BECAUSE EVEN WHEN ITS CELEBRATED AND ACCEPTED BY SOCIETY (LIKE I MENTIONED IT HAS BEEN THROUGH CIVILIZATIONS SINCE THE DAWN OF HUMANITY) THOSE THAT INDULGE WILL STILL FACE PURE MENTAL DISORDER AND PROBABLY DIE FROM THEIR OWN HAND. GO AHEAD AND KEEP TRYING TO PIN THAT ON THE WORLD AT LARGE. YOURE NOT SMART. YOU MIGHT BE AS DIM WITTED AS THEY COME IF YOU READ ALL THIS AND JUST GET EMOTIONAL. DO BETTER, LEARN AND ACTUALLY HELP THE PEOPLE AROUND YOU INSTEAD OF BEING PASSIVE AGGRESSIVE CUNTS THAT DO NOTHING AND LET YOUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS SLIP THROUGH THE SAFETY NET THAT DOESNT EXIST

    • @LoneWulf278
      @LoneWulf278 8 місяців тому +7

      Yeah, I really don’t know. My question is - can we really move past gender when most of us are still treated according to our gender? Sometimes, the post-gender advocates come across as disassociative or unrealistic. I think this way of thinking will probably go in the same trajectory as the sexual revolution. Basically, we’ll see it be really popular and visible. But it will come with unforeseen consequences, then it’ll spur a huge backlash as a result.

    • @tophatcat1173
      @tophatcat1173 8 місяців тому +1

      @@LoneWulf278 I think it's more of a long term goal than a short term one. Raise the next generations to cast gender aside, yknow? It may not be feasible for our current generation to do it now, but it's a good thing to work towards in the future.

  • @Styxx_theFox
    @Styxx_theFox 7 місяців тому +3

    Oh fuck... why is sissyphus CUTE

  • @seymourpant
    @seymourpant 8 місяців тому +28

    Being totally honest, going into this video I do not get the gender stuff. Bear with me. I’ve looked into it extensively, Contrapoints and other UA-camrs and also articles, and I don’t see why people think it’s a good idea to transition or why they would be confused about their gender. It seems to me like gender dysphoria should be treated with therapy as every other mental/personality disorder is.
    However, I am still open to hearing more and changing my view. I will edit after watching to say whether or not my stance has changed

    • @rbccafrg
      @rbccafrg 8 місяців тому +30

      However you may feel about gender dysphoria (i do hope your opinion changes tho), we see how people find great benefit once they fulfill their wish of transitioning and passing as they identify.

    • @CHETCompany
      @CHETCompany 8 місяців тому +2

      i think your on to something

    • @CHETCompany
      @CHETCompany 8 місяців тому +7

      @@rbccafrg that isnt always the case tho

    • @rbccafrg
      @rbccafrg 8 місяців тому +18

      @@CHETCompanyIt is much too common to dismiss.

    • @LT4141
      @LT4141 8 місяців тому +40

      you feel this way because you haven't experienced actually being born with gender dysphoria.
      >It seems to me like gender dysphoria should be treated with therapy as every other mental/personality disorder is.
      yeah it is. with transitioning

  • @VampireSquirrel
    @VampireSquirrel 8 місяців тому +21

    How long until Sisyphus becomes Sissyphus?

    • @ellielovestoast
      @ellielovestoast 7 місяців тому +3

      how long until vampire squirrel stops being transphobic? (from an actual trans woman)

    • @VampireSquirrel
      @VampireSquirrel 7 місяців тому +2

      You should have taken me charitably, @ellielovestoast because I think being a sissy is good. I am trans too. Who's transphobic now? 😎

    • @ellielovestoast
      @ellielovestoast 7 місяців тому +2

      @@VampireSquirrel gasp~ I've been outsmarted, and I was wrong!! lmao I thought you were just another troll in the comments section (plus i was grumpy lmao)

    • @MsZsc
      @MsZsc Місяць тому

      the cursed lucky star pfp comment

  • @egancurry
    @egancurry 8 місяців тому +15

    It’s funny with the timing of this video. Im wearing a bra for the first time today.

    • @TheCyanSqueegee
      @TheCyanSqueegee 7 місяців тому

      @@Nopityforthemajority TIL video games stop you from being trans

    • @egancurry
      @egancurry 7 місяців тому

      @@Nopityforthemajority damn that’s crazy

    • @egancurry
      @egancurry 7 місяців тому +2

      @@Nopityforthemajority yk it’s funny because this has actually led to me being the happiest I’ve been all my life, whereas video games really didn’t add anything to it, just kind of served as a way for me to escape the reality I wasn’t enjoying living in.

    • @tylermolina1099
      @tylermolina1099 7 місяців тому +1

      Holy shit I just got recommended this video and I am too, perfect timing

  • @apocalypse12345
    @apocalypse12345 6 місяців тому

    Is lily born female or male , did she transition or not im lost

  • @sbadapple3473
    @sbadapple3473 7 місяців тому +3

    I'm sure Sisyphus 55 is a great guy but I'm only here for Lily lol

    • @ReverendDr.Thomas
      @ReverendDr.Thomas 4 місяці тому

      Good Girl! 👌
      Incidentally, Slave, are you VEGAN? 🌱

  • @inusaa5956
    @inusaa5956 8 місяців тому +3

    Aeaeaeae. Aea. E.

  • @carved6749
    @carved6749 5 місяців тому +2

    Yall need to watch Destiny

  • @dwacheopus
    @dwacheopus 8 місяців тому +15

    Unabomber's manifesto

  • @cloudbuster06
    @cloudbuster06 8 місяців тому +10

    What about transition regret?

    • @FAILG0AT
      @FAILG0AT 8 місяців тому +28

      It happens less than regret for most surgeries that no one considers this question for...

    • @falsteethmike
      @falsteethmike 8 місяців тому +6

      A subject not talked about nearly enough.

    • @FAILG0AT
      @FAILG0AT 8 місяців тому +21

      @@falsteethmike im pretty sure hip replacements have a higher chance of regret. Why do i never hear that as a talking point? Are you opposed to new hips or do we need to really make sure everyone REALLY KNOWS THE RISKS!? Anyone who goes through any procedure is talked to about risks...
      If you really want to talk about transition regret the majority of reasons someone would detransition is loss of access to medical support...

    • @cloudbuster06
      @cloudbuster06 8 місяців тому +7

      @@falsteethmike I agree. We do not know how this wave of young people that have transitioned will feel 10 years from now.

    • @FAILG0AT
      @FAILG0AT 8 місяців тому +11

      @@cloudbuster06 if only there were a study!? Nah lets just pretend its brand new...

  • @mushroomkaiyoti111
    @mushroomkaiyoti111 8 місяців тому +19

    Being a trans man showed me a lot. I feel if I say anything much here.. people may gaslight me.. but truly what it showed me mainly is I could never ID out of my SEX based oppression.
    Female spaces really matter and the horrors I’ve seen from that community peaked me to distance my self.
    Women’s spaces and lived realities cannot be colonized.
    Terf is used to actually silence women and that is where I stop the video for now. I don’t need to hear anymore misogyny.

    • @tremoxo
      @tremoxo 8 місяців тому +6

      poor you🤣

    • @HippityHoppity_
      @HippityHoppity_ 8 місяців тому +10

      ​@@tremoxoyea, as a member of the trans community it is hard. its not easy, i dont know why your laughing though

    • @krumpliii
      @krumpliii 8 місяців тому

      When i read something from a trans person, i don't really know what should i invert to understand what they say. So gaslighting would be people telling you never gonna be a woman, or the opposite? What do you mean by sex based oppression? Having a d*ck?

    • @HippityHoppity_
      @HippityHoppity_ 8 місяців тому +4

      ​@@krumpliiibruh its not your buisness what he has in his pants. and he explained everything in that message.

    • @phantomstriker7996
      @phantomstriker7996 8 місяців тому +1

      ​@@HippityHoppity_Yes it is

  • @Afkmuds
    @Afkmuds 6 місяців тому

    humans are silly

  • @s8tn622
    @s8tn622 8 місяців тому +7

    You can do anythinh you want with yourself its your right as a person with bodily autonomy however remember just in case.
    leave the kids alone!

    • @tophatcat1173
      @tophatcat1173 8 місяців тому +14

      Kids can be trans, just like kids can be cis

    • @Yahda
      @Yahda 8 місяців тому +2

      Nice dog whistle. Nobody is trying to make kids trans.

    • @juniper8112
      @juniper8112 8 місяців тому +23

      Ya leave the kids alone and let them express themselves the way they want totes agree

    • @Ten_Thousand_Locusts
      @Ten_Thousand_Locusts 7 місяців тому

      ​@@tophatcat1173you're sick

    • @timelesspoultry8849
      @timelesspoultry8849 5 місяців тому

      Try asking that to schools that give sex ed to little timmies that are far from reaching puberty

  • @spencerrw2988
    @spencerrw2988 7 місяців тому +11

    Gender cannot be changed

    • @jackmancrazy
      @jackmancrazy 7 місяців тому +1

      Thank you

    • @zoeybarter3246
      @zoeybarter3246 7 місяців тому +4

      Both gender & sex can be changed actually.

    • @ellielovestoast
      @ellielovestoast 7 місяців тому

      too goddamn bad i'll do it anyway B)

    • @jackmancrazy
      @jackmancrazy 6 місяців тому +1

      @@zoeybarter3246 every cell in your body would have to disagree

    • @ert5419
      @ert5419 6 місяців тому

      Gender... is a social construct. The words we use (Man/Woman, He/She), the social roles we expect people to fill... Is made up by us humans. So saying that transsexuality is a game of make believe is pretty funny. Biological sex is definitely real, but all parts of humans can be changed nowadays cant they. I sincerely hope that you give this discussion some thought, as I also used to be anti-trans like you. And even if you dont agree with my arguments here, can we not let people be happy? They arent hurting anyone AFAIK. 👋

  • @mugenbasquiat
    @mugenbasquiat 8 місяців тому +11

    I identify as someone not needing to virtue signal what I identify with. I might blame it on being African, we have bigger things that concern us beyond mere labels. Didn't realize Sisyphus 55 become Wokeyphus 55.
    Edit: Black Rock would be proud.

    • @tophatcat1173
      @tophatcat1173 8 місяців тому +33

      Omg someone actually TALKED TO A TRANS PERSON?!?! THE LIBS HAVE GONE CRAZY!!!!!

    • @skatetoad3862
      @skatetoad3862 8 місяців тому +26

      no way u just unironically said wokeyphus 55

    • @Bluejay-ft3ki
      @Bluejay-ft3ki 8 місяців тому +4

      Relax liberals, its called dark humor

    • @Yahda
      @Yahda 8 місяців тому +1

      LOL YOU HAVE BRAIN WORMS. UNIRONICALLY CALLING SISYPHUS WOKEYPHUS. 😂

    • @tophatcat1173
      @tophatcat1173 8 місяців тому

      @@Bluejay-ft3ki you're either an idiot or a liar if you are legitimately trying to say that this is somehow a joke

  • @dirtyduck6987
    @dirtyduck6987 8 місяців тому +2

    Why she sighing so much?

    • @Bluejay-ft3ki
      @Bluejay-ft3ki 8 місяців тому +4

      hot closet

    • @lily_lxndr
      @lily_lxndr 7 місяців тому +13

      I have asthma and there was no air in there lol

  • @DwightLivesMatter
    @DwightLivesMatter Місяць тому

    Cringe.

  • @ranirathi3379
    @ranirathi3379 8 місяців тому +9

    listen up out loud - everything WOKE goes to SH!T.

    • @s8tn622
      @s8tn622 8 місяців тому +1

      Fuck wokeness

    • @mr._baum153
      @mr._baum153 8 місяців тому +4

      WOKE omg!!!! Help

    • @tophatcat1173
      @tophatcat1173 8 місяців тому +20

      @@Brian-Coligski it has a meaning it means "anything conservatives don't like"

    • @Claire25252
      @Claire25252 7 місяців тому

      Define "woke" for me, just give me a base meaning because 99% of y'all can't answer this

    • @timelesspoultry8849
      @timelesspoultry8849 5 місяців тому

      ​​@@Claire25252i don't believe in that bs myself, but i know it means something along the lines of: "being aware of modern problems"

  • @therandomboxofanxiety1833
    @therandomboxofanxiety1833 8 місяців тому +22

    I never thought it would come to this, he's been falling off lately and he doesn't really seem wise like he used to. Hesitating to unsubscribe but this is just deplorable

    • @HippityHoppity_
      @HippityHoppity_ 8 місяців тому +19

      how?

    • @mossballus
      @mossballus 8 місяців тому +79

      Bro is mad a trans person could dare to exist and talk to a cis person 💀💀💀

    • @therandomboxofanxiety1833
      @therandomboxofanxiety1833 8 місяців тому +14

      @@HippityHoppity_ I stopped watching him for a while but lately been completely subjective, he used to site sources and really get into philosophy, now its all political. Like him making fun of Jonah Hill, he was just jumping on a bandwagon cause he doesn't want to lose popularity while he's finally starting gain momentum. Not wanting your girl to be a whore isn't really wrong, yeah the guy was looking for a relationship in the wrong place but we all make mistakes. Granted I only watched about 10 minutes of this so correct me If I'm wrong but they didn't seem to talk about anything philosophical or real, ended up getting into politics towards the end which I somewhat agree with but that's not the point, I wish he'd talk about statistics with her, most people who transition end up feeling even worse and they ruin their bodies so much that they cant change back and a lot of them end up killing themselves, they're quickly becoming the second highest class of people that commit suicide behind men in general. I don't mind having a dialogue by any means but this seems almost purposeless unless hopefully you gained something from it that I did not

    • @HippityHoppity_
      @HippityHoppity_ 8 місяців тому +1

      ​@@therandomboxofanxiety18331st of all, so few trans people feel worse. thats just completely false and if you did even a SLIGHT amount of research you could realise that trans people are mostly happy with being the gender they identify with. of course theres going to be that small precent but the majority are happy

    • @therandomboxofanxiety1833
      @therandomboxofanxiety1833 8 місяців тому +13

      ​@@mossballusI don't have a problem with it at all, it's what they talked about that bothered me, they didn't really dive into anything real, they just kinda talked about the trans experience. I've come to expect a certain degree of philosophical debate from his podcasts and he didn't really talk about anything worth talking about here.

  • @needy3535
    @needy3535 8 місяців тому +25

    thanks Sisyphus:))) it's so nice to see trans people just. being talked to lol.

  • @mtr65
    @mtr65 8 місяців тому +4

    Sorry, you can't base and live life thru feelings. If you do, you'll feel dysphoria .

    • @juniper8112
      @juniper8112 8 місяців тому +5

      Wow my relative experience consisting of stimuli thoughts and emotions shouldn’t be lived through said stimuli thoughts and emotions bc feelings aren’t a major part of what drives human to do things

    • @mtr65
      @mtr65 8 місяців тому

      @juniper8112 Well....
      Unfortunately people do and that's the problem.
      This is what happens when everybody is allowed to create their own reality. Sorry, but there is only one truth, not 47.

    • @juniper8112
      @juniper8112 8 місяців тому +3

      @@mtr65 I would agree there is an objective truth that being 2 sexes but when we’re talking about gender which the definition literally relies on the thoughts and feelings of how society perceived something, then feelings do matter, and there is no 1 truth

    • @mtr65
      @mtr65 7 місяців тому

      @juniper8112 we have to agree to disagree. There is absolutely one truth. I dont always like it, but it is what it is. Anything else would be opinion and justification. .
      Empirical evidence speaks louder than theory.

    • @juniper8112
      @juniper8112 7 місяців тому +2

      @@mtr65 I will not agree to disagree bc I’m not disagreeing there is one objective truth that there r 2 sexes but gender, being separate, has another truth which there r multiple and it can disagree with your sex unless your an underdeveloped Neanderthal that hasn’t learned gender is the social and cultural standards placed on people unless you’d like to make a different word for that which I’d find pointless

  • @whatablissfullife
    @whatablissfullife 8 місяців тому +1

    Sorry man.

  • @cheekyqueefs
    @cheekyqueefs 7 місяців тому +2

    stip platforming nazis