The Rejected Ideas of Batman Beyond | Cancelled Episodes, Early Concept Art and more!
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In the comic spin offs I remember reading that Mad Hatter was an old man and in a vegetative state due to his mind controlling tech frying his mind and Scarecrow retires from his life of crime and dies of old age. I like the concept of Bane and Mad Hatter suffering from their own weapons and gadgets. Love the Poison Ivy concept, becoming a part of the rainforest. Penguin would probably continue his gang dealings and nightclub, Riddler i could see retiring once Bruce gives up Batman, Croc would have been cool as a return and Two Face I ld say actually being medicated and helped and plastic surgeons in the future heal him
I didn't know that about Mad Hatter from the spin off comics! That's so cool, I really like the idea of some villains ruining their lives due to the items they used for crimes while other villains ended up reforming, it adds a lot of nuance to Batman's history in the DCAU
@SantiBarrios agreed! I like to look back at the episode, The trial and how basically the villains are responsible for their own fates and that would hammer it home with Bane and Hatter. I could Def see villains like Riddler and Scarecrow retiring and or reforming once Bruce retires as Batman. Riddler would have Noone to challenge and, like in Riddlers Reform, would just call it quits
Unfortunately for Croc, I think it was confirmed that he died and then taxidermied in the DCAU by time _Batman Beyond_ begins.
@Ability-King-KK Actually in the comics of Batman Beyond, Killer Croc was locked up underneath futuristic Gotham in the old ruins of Gotham only to mutate into literal kaiju size waiting to bust out.
I think that thing with the Mad Hatter, is from the Batman Beyond 2.0 universe which is not canon to the DCAU.
Wow I didn’t know a lot of the villains were reformed. They really should’ve said all that in the show. It helps prove why Batman’s no kill rule is important and effective. A lot of people think it’s stupid since the villains never seem to change and are constantly escaping prison. But this could’ve been a huge addition to the overall Batman character if an episode focused on Bruce explaining to Terry his decision to let his villains live and the episode ended with showing a lot of his former enemies living productive lives
I completely agree! It was kind of a missed opportunity for the series to not showcase how some villains reformed, especially since a lot of episodes from BTAS had already focused on the reformation of some villains trying to better their lives (e.g. Harley's Holiday and Birds of a Feather) so it would've potentially completed the arcs of some characters and shown that Batman's mission really does work in helping even the worst people
@@SantiBarrios That would have made great episode to see. Maybe help Batman Beyond.
At least they did it with harley
Bro that whole argument is strange people will complain about Batman’s no kill rule like the joker is actively killing people in real life and now I’ve even heard that people are arguing about sonic not killing his enemies in his comics
Maybe one of his reformed villains could served as mentor of sorts to Terry. Just because they reformed doesn't mean they don't have any knowledge to impart on him.
In a comic that is canon to the DCAU that tells what Batman was doing during the Justice League series it was stated that the Riddler had reformed and become a Private Eye where instead of competing with Batman by committing crimes he decided to compete as Detectives instead.
Love this!
To be fair, Terry wasn’t technically Bruce’s “clone.” Genetically speaking, he was the son of Bruce and Mrs. McGinnis. Mr. McGinnis’ “reproductive material” was overwritten with Bruce’s (meaning Terry’s brother is likely also Bruce’s son). Waller specifically went out of her way to point out that Terry didn’t end up being the perfect Bruce copy that she’d hoped he would be. He wasn’t as smart or tactical as Bruce, and he was prone to snap decisions and judgments. The fact that he ended up as Batman was due mostly to luck and the fact that… it’s Gotham. The town’s a total cesspool; something bad was bound to happen to someone Terry cared about eventually. Him running into Bruce was where the luck came into play.
On top that, it was the early 00’s, and the “chosen one” trope (as you put it) was really making a resurgence. A lot of major fantasy or superhero series/movie that came out around that time had some sort of prophecy or preordained hero. The whole “every-man” hero story didn’t start to become more popular until around the mid 2010’s.
That being said, I kinda like it for this episode due to the drama because you KNOW that Bruce had to have known from pretty much the beginning. I mean, “He’s Batman”, there’s no way he didn’t grab a DNA sample from Terry and run a whole plethora of tests on the thing. I don’t think he was looking to see if there a genetic link between the two of them specifically, but that it just happened to come up when he was running it against the whole database. I mean, his mom’s a redhead. What if she could’ve been the daughter of Poison Ivy or something. He could’ve also been looking for genetic diseases or other sorts of manipulations that’d make him a ticking time bomb. After that, it wouldn’t be too hard for him to come to the conclusion that it was Amanda Waller’s doing since Cadmus and genetic manipulation was her whole thing.
Plus there's that episode where Terry was Man Bat, Bruce could've gotten a genetic sample at the time
Plot twists😂
God I hated that twist.
I agree with you. It wasn’t necessary for Terry to be Bruce’s son. I’m particularly glad we didn’t have Selina cloning him in some nefarious plot to control him. That sounds way too evil for the Selina Kyle that was previously established in BTAS. Sounds like they had her confused with Talia al Ghul.
Also in the Animated series, she gets mutated into an actual cat humanoid. Now her reappearing as that looking for a cure because the mutation makes her not age would have been a great Bruce/Selene moment.
Bruce being at Selene's side as she dies as he did with Ace would be a moment that would be Epic.
I always hated that twist. It was so stupid
@@Master-Worksno it wasnt
@@emperorsean1 It was! It really was!
@@Master-Works Not really. People act like it detracts from anything in the series when it doesn't.
10:26 okay in the JLU Epilogue. It was specifically stated that Terry wasn't Bruce's clone, he was his SON. He was similar to Bruce in many ways obviously but had enough differences too, like how he didn't have Bruce's amazing mind but he still had his heart. But most important of all, he still had a choice. And in the end, he chose to marry the girl he loved. Thats what that episode was about, exploring choice vs fate.
Besides, the show did hint at this twist early on when Terry met Superman and rejected his offer to join the Justice League. He said "I guess I'm more like the old man than I thought"
Superman then quietly says "More than you know" indicating he took a peek at Terry's DNA and quickly put two and two together.
I just left a comment saying about what Amanda Waller done
I've always felt back and forth on the epilogue storyline, yeah it does feel like a bad message that you have to be somehow related to Bruce to be Batman but also like Amanda Waller said Terry isn't Brice one for one genetic he's his son. Terry and Bruce are similar in ways like their sense of Justice and saving people but also extremely different in other ways like their personalities and upbringing and also Terry doesn't have to be Batman he's not obsessed with being Batman like Bruce is Terry can walk away from being Batman anytime he wants to he's not shacked to it but he chooses to stay as Batman because it's the right thing to do. I think this is the message the writers were going for with this Terry is Bruce's son and is related to him but Terry is his own man that choosing to stay as Batman not because destiny or some higher power says he has to but because he chooses to.
I do find it cool how the reveal payed respect to Terry as being a worthy successor to the Batman title thanks to his own merits and that his Father/Son relationship with Bruce is legitimate, but my biggest problem with it is that it's unnecessary, Dick Grayson for example doesn't need to literally be Bruce's son and yet everyone understands that they also have a Father/Son relationship without the need for them to be genetic clones or something like that.
But I still think that Epilogue is an awesome episode, even though I might not like the reveal the episode itself was amazing, I loved the Batman and Ace storyline and the scenes of Terry having conversations with Bruce and Amanda, the dialogue and acting were really great.
@@SantiBarrios yeah I agree Dick Grayson did need to be Bruce's genetic son to be a worthy successor and I know right this despite my mixed feelings on the Terry reveal Epilogue is a great episode indeed
Touche' (smile)
I think Dini's blurbs about the fates of the classic rouges are mostly just intended to be jokes, the truth is that the writers didn't give it much thought and we'll probably never know.
We know what happened to Freeze, Bane, Scarecrow, HQ, Joker, but everyone else, I'm unsure about.
Scarecrow?
Waller straight up says Terry isn't Bruce's clone.
Yes, TY. It also explains why Terry does not have Bruce's magnificent brain. "Per Waller."
And I like that he wasn't just a "copy" of Bruce. That way, his strengths and weaknesses were unknown and all his own.
Qp
If you rewatch Epilogue they call Terry both a "clone" of Bruce artificially made with his genetic material and they later make the argument that Terry became his own man through his life choices and he's more so the "son" of Bruce; that's why technically he's both, even though some people may not like it it's still correct to call Terry both a clone and the son of Bruce.
@@SantiBarriosI liked the reveal that Terry is Bruce's son it made sense. I wonder though did that make Terry's brother Bruce's son to as he looked allot like terry and young bruce with black hair.
Amazing video. I completely agree with Terry being better as an Everyman. It also fits with how Dick grayson and Tim Drake establish that a Batman that can give up the pain and trauma of his parents death tends to be a BETTER batman. Terry being a great batman while not being grim is awesome
"Terry's Friend Dates a Robot" was the funniest episode of the whole series and I love watching it. It doesn't have any long arcs...it's just fun. And the snarky commentary...(Howard) "We can still be friends..."/robot goes nuts/(Howard) "Did I say the wrong thing?"/(Terry) "Is it ever the right thing to say?"
Honestly. Having black hair while the parents have red and brown air, is really not all that uncommon to be fair. It happens often. Cause brown and black are from the same sort of gene.
While not the biggest fan of Terry being a clone. The way they did implemented was very well done. And very well thought out.
I watch this series every couple of years or so. Simply because I love it that much!
Also, fun fact for anyone who might not know. The blonde in the picture that Tim shows in ROTJ, is Stephanie Brown. (A.K.A Spoiler / The Third Batgirl)
Terri is not a clone, he is the genetic son of Bruce, watch "Epilogue" again.
@@johnnywoods5549 genetically altered but originally intended to be a clone. So that Bruce's DNA is intertwined with Terri's.
@@WinchesterxNL What you just wrote makes no sense, watch epilogue again. Amanda Waller used cadmus tech to rewrite Mr. McGinnis reproductive DNA and replace it with Bruce's, Terri is the son of Bruce and Mrs. McGinnis.
@@WinchesterxNL Wow how pathetic, false flag a reply so you can be childish.
@@johnnywoods5549 I have better things to do than to false flag something, my guy. I don't touch that stuff ever. Sorry
Funny that YT recommended me this video on the same day that Yuhki Demers revealed that he pitched an animated Beyond movie to WB, which of course they rejected. The concept art looks splendid too, man… I miss Beyond and I miss Terry, but I know WB keeps taking the most moronic decisions lately, so I don't wanna get my hopes up. Great video btw, I learned a lot.
They didn't exactly rejected, the project is in a sort of stand by mode, were no one is working on it, but it isn't canceled
I kept expecting Max to become some sort of Robin, as she was frankly the better detective of the two, and because the coloring or her hair and clothes resemble Robin's colors, and she knew Terry's secret. Plus she was a hot black girl and could fight.
I agree, even though most writers from the show seem to be frustrated with Max because Kids WB forced them to include her in the series I've personally always liked her character, and I actually would've liked them to expand Terry's supporting cast even further because the fact he was a teenager with a social life was one of the things that gave him a unique identity compared to Bruce
Yeah I liked max a lot
In the newer Batman Beyond comics, her role is expanded.
She is talking to Terry while he is in the Batman suit, and using the Bat computer to support him. I think she finds info on another Batsuit and the League of Assassins in that same storyline.
I think they are still canon.
Max would have became his Oracle
I expected her to become batgirl and have a pink Bat symbol to match her hair color. I mean it was RIGHT THERE😭
Batman beyond is turning 25 this year man this show is amazing my childhood 😍 ❤️
You're right! I didn't notice that it's turning 25 this year, that's so awesome
Return of the joker is very rewatchable and one of the best Batman movies ever
We're very lucky that we got Batman Beyond as it is. The previous "anime-esque" pitch that was being worked on sounded quite....out there, to be kind.
I actually read that one of the concepts for Catwoman was that both she and Bruce would have had a daughter together named Helena. I don’t know where I read this, but it was an interesting idea.
That happened in a alternate universe in the comics
@@NovaPrime-91 I know that. I was talking about a possible concept of Helena being in Batman Beyond
@@redlycan5064 Would've loved for that to happen. It wouldve shown that Bruce at the VERY least had some form of HAPPINESS
My idea for Riddler is that if he appeared in Batman Beyond is that he had developed a terminal disease so he transferred his consciousness to a supercomputer in an old abandoned factory in Gotham he was believed to be dead by most Gotham residents while others believe he had just gone into hiding.
An AI uploaded Riddler might just have the potential to be Terry's Joker if done right.
The evil of Bruce's Gotham was defined by wanton violence and psychopaths, The Joker embodied that.
The cyberpunk future that Terry knows as Gotham would be better embodied by someone who has mastered confusion, misdirection, the control and manipulation of information, a skill that has been given so much power by modern technology.
They kinda did that in the Robert Vance episode
Bruh turned himself into AM (alied master computer)
@@j.jonahjoestar7924unfortunately, that role went to someone else that made themselves into AM, but unlike AM, he didn’t hack into the government networks and military communications to cause WW3 but to posses his fleshy grandson and retake his company like a fink.
*21:15** I heard that actually the REAL REASON the show was not continued was due to the fact of Poor Toy sales*
_Due to the fact that Hasbro took A LOT of liberties to make more colorful & nostalgia appeal Figures(most of them even resembled a LOT to the toys of the Previous Lines of Batman TNAS) & made a pretty bad Job with the characters, to the point that 90% of the toys were only Batman's & most of the Villains didn't even had a proper Toy_
No it was cuz of the justice league cartoon
@@ijionclifton9148 I mean, have you seen the awful toys, No wonder why Hasbro couldn't sold it, We didn't even have a proper toy of Blight
Hasbro didn’t have the license to DC toys in the 2000s period. Mattel did.
@@ShockwaveFPSStudios Nope, Mattel got the licence Between 2004-2019, Before them Hasbo had it & after that Now Spin-Master has it
So because of the Toy manufactures and execs being IDIOTS...they self sabotaged their own toy sales and then blamed the tv series....WB is the most mismanaged company on planet earth I swear. Its a MIRACLE that they're still a thing
If only Rocksteady made Batman Beyond game instead of Suicide squad.
You got that right.
Him being a clone doesn't take away from that original "just a random kid" cuz in essence he was...he learned everything despite it being in his blood...he earned the right
Apparently we might’ve dodged a bullet regarding the Keaton film as apparently they would’ve scrapped the cyberpunk element.
Batman beyond is still one of the ambitious super hero shows I’ve ever seen, mature and cool, everytime I rewatch it, it’s like seeing it for the first time again
I really love Epilogue. Shows my favorite Andera Beaumont being awesome, Terry becoming his own man and a shocking Boys from Brazil plot.
I thought it very cool that Waller lined up the nature and nurture for a Batman and never pulled the trigger. ... Until crime again made it's worst enemy.
I dig that there was only a few cameos by the old villains and homages like the Jokerz street gang (Nana Quinn was the only thing I liked in The Return of the joker). If they were to include anything I would want a deep cut like an old Tygrus saving people lost in the woods or Bruce having Terry melt newly discovered HARDAC drives or Kimberly Ventrix recognizing Bruce's voice
WB has a long history of canceling DC shows that were hits
What’s crazy is the Dee Dee Twins are Harley’s kids and they ended up working for the joker..it makes me wonder if she saw the return of the joker
I don't need Terry to be Bruce's son, but I think Timm did it to shut up fans who say that Terry isn't worthy of the Batman mantle. Great video, you shed some light on little known facts, so good job on that.
You know, I never had a problem with the storyline of "Epilogue", because the episode makes it pretty clear that Waller was wrong into thinking that Batman's DNA was what would make a proper successor. She even recognizes that Terry is very different from Bruce, and the things he has in common with him are learned and not physical attributes.
On the flip side, there's always been an element of mysticism to Batman. The bat that breaks through his window when he asks for a signal, the city itself being built by an architect terrified of demons, even the fact that many of its inhabitants seem destined to turn into monsters by their very names. It's really not that farfetched that Bruce and Terry would meet anyway.
Killer Crocs ending is sad. He's a guy with a condition not an actual animal.
being a genetic clone of Bruce kind of makes some sense. it implies that the Wayne blood line is cursed to become Batman through tragedy. even his Robins don't keep the mantle of Batman because it's not their fate.
What about Damian does he ever become Batman
@@colecaldwell4278 He becomes Batman in DCeased when Bruce becomes infected by the virus and in Batman 666 where he gives his soul to a demon to be the ultimate Batman living for a long time to protect Gotham. Damien is also Bruce's only true son since he haves Wayne blood so he is Bruce's heir but also Ra's given his Ra's Al Ghul's Grandson.
So in truth he does but first makes an identity for himself since all four Robins have 4 things Bruce have. Dick the master leader, Jason the marksman, Tim the detective, and Damien stealth.
All 4 Robins essentially have things that make em Batman. Dick was Bruce's main choice as Batman since he felt he was a better leader than him as well Dick was more hopeful than what Bruce had always dark and brooding even pushed people away.
Dick as well knew Bruce then other Robins and people who worked with him more. Lastly, Dick was more cheerful very different than Bruce. Despite that Dick never wanted to be Batman as he felt he would never live up to even that's too much darkness he felt he should take on the mantle.
No it doesn’t. If anything, the Robins would’ve became Batmans as well, because most of the Robins are literally born through tragedy. You’re telling me Dick & Jason didn’t have tragic backstories. The only reason the Robin mantle even existed, was because Dick lost his parents in a circus show, and Bruce didn’t want to have a kid to spend a life the way he did.
@@ShockwaveFPSStudios coming from the Guy who Thinks Iron Man Archenemy, Mandarin, is R*cist just because he is chinese, Saying that a character is r*cist just because he is not white speaks worse about you than about him, Bozo 🤡
Terry is s Bruce son not clone Waller told you that
The clone reveal for me is fine. It doesn’t matter if you’re on that bloodline or not since Terry IS just an ordinary kid that accidentally met Bruce Wayne. He still needed to prove himself and build his character which we all love today. It’s what Amanda said You want a better life than the old man? care for the people that are close to you. Which sets him apart from Bruce blood relations or not.
I know in the recent Batman Beyond comics they made Killer Croc into a giant Kaiju monster that eats people from the underground and Terry and Ratman have to work together to stop him. It's crazy the comics is doing this idea with Killer Croc and making him a giant killer Croc monster. Such I wish the animated show from the future did. Oh well. Maybe the universe reboot will still have that idea intact
Unlike somwe of the writers, I actually like the idea of Terry being with Max instead of Dana, because she never brought anything interesting to the table, we didn't know why he was even with her. With Max we had a more active dynamic, spurned by different viewpoints and stronger personalities with more agency. There also was the obvious lack of secrets between the two. But that's just my viewpoint.
All true! As much as I like Dana, Max was a good choice too. A few times it felt like they were setting up a Gwen Stacy or Mary Jane Watson love triangle
I also like Max, that would have been an interesting relationship. But I also think that they staying friends is also good. Terry staying with Dana makes him a good role model, people should be faithful.
@@mr_z_____ bro didnt terry go out with the chick in the Royal flush gang? I forget her name.
@@elusivent he did, but in the end he chose the girl who was very patient with him and stood by his side
Melanie better.
love how Terry's costume looks originally more cybernetic in its design
great video! I love batman beyond and as an aspiring writer/director, i've been slowly writing my own adaptation of batman beyond for live action. Sadly i will probably never be able to do anything with it, but with batman already being an avenue to tackle so many different themes, batman beyond opens so many more doorways that are fun to explore.
Thank you! And it's awesome that you love Batman Beyond so much that it inspired you to write, and you should definitely keep writing since it's one of the best creative outlets
There was some much potential untapped throughout the series that could've expanded to other heroes such as Wonder Woman, Flash, Green Lantern Corps, JSA, Titans, Aquaman etc as well as futuristic updates to Metropolis, Atlantis, Bludhaven, Themiscyra plus include episodes that led Bruce to create the suit prior to the Rebirth episode, the remaining high school days & life afterwards for Terry and the gang as well as showcase the villains like the Court of Owls, Black Mask and the crime families of Neo Gotham.
10:19 I didn't have a problem with that when they revealed it in the show, it made sense to me because for the characters involved, and how it all happened.
Terry was not "The Chosen One" nor is knowing that his DNA was changed to make him Bruce's son would make him the chosen one, because of the characters involved, which is why he is not the typical the chosen one type of character that people don't like.
Amanda Waller saw Bruce Wayne (Batman) as a great figure who deserved all her respect, to the point where she became obsessed with him seeing how important he was, and she was so convinced of this that she thought no one else could be Batman except for him, so she decided to create an almost identical copy, and probably had a whole plan to shape this kid's life to grow up to be Batman, but why is Terry not just a simple clone or the chosen one to be Batman, it is not because of Bruce's genes, but it is because all the things that happened to Terry which led him to become Batman, the things were not set up, they happened regardless of whether or not Terry had Bruce's DNA, but he became Batman and continued to be Batman because of the course of his life and the situations that led him to the life he has.
Amanda gave up on her plan when her killer gave up on killing Terry's parents, because it was wrong and something Batman wouldn't stand for, and was no way to honor the person she respected and admired.
With that Terry is not just a clone who was chosen to be Batman because of his DNA, but because of the circumstances in his life that made him seek justice, and where he found a way to get it.
Honestly I think Terry and Max would've made a better couple
I would’ve loved to see Terry fall into a riddler or even riddler like trap and the radio is jammed so it’s Terry having to use his own wits to get out. I know they did the similar thing with the shriek episode, but I’d love to see Terry completely by himself with only the villain’s voice there mocking him.
That would've been a very cool idea! Terry could've still had a Riddler-type villain even if it wasn't the Riddler himself, maybe they could've done a futur reinvented version of Cluemaster as a villain that psychologically challenges Terry just like the Riddler
The execs said to make it like Buffy the Vampire Slayer... but for kids.
This is so stupid it makes my head hurt.
Interesting stuff. I always thought there should have been some connection between Cuvier and Kirk Langstrom. In my head I had just thought of the explanation that Cuvier was an assistant of Langstrom's who became radicalized during his time working under him. Then copied Langstrom's research notes, being smart enough to not just steal them. But using those notes and research he eventually worked out an effective way of starting his beast revolution.
I just didn't like how Nightwing never appeared or was referenced on the show. Terry should've at least had one adventure with Dick.
there was that one mention of him during 'Return of the Joker' before the flashback story. I understand they do meet up and work together in the comics.
It was cool to see that concept art from Glen Murakami!! It was cool to hear that his "Batman but Spider-Man" idea was the reason he thought Beyond had promise, I really think it's what made Beyond such a success.
On the note of lesser known comic villains being reworked as Terry's rogues gallery, it should be noted that the pilot episode's plot is essentially a reworking of the first appearance of Batman in Detective Comics#27 and the introduction of his first supervillain in Detective Comics#29. Like Stryker from 27, Powers is a ruthless business man getting rid of associates for his personal gain and like Hellfern from 29 his gambit involves a newly developed nerve gas he plans to profit from. Like both he is ultimately undone by his own machinations and like the latter he would return morphed and mutated by the experience. To drive the similarity further, the former story also counted amongst its victims a father and son pair, and the latters chemistry project also had its roots in plant experiments.
The 3 Seasons of Batman Beyond is Like the 1 Season 26 Episodes of 1964 Jonny Quest, the Greatest Series Ever.
i also hated the clone thing even as a kid
Same, it's been like 20 years and I still get kinda pissed when I think about it lmao
4:25
[ Bruce opens fridge ]
Freeze: Kill me.
Bruce: Later..
bro some concepts looks like the arkham knight suits lol, btw nice video dude! loved it!
I am glad i was able to watch batman beyond as a kid some of the best memories of my life.
Me too! I'm really grateful that I grew up with Batman Beyond and the entire DCAU, it was the best way to get introduced to the DCU and comics in general
@@SantiBarriossame
3:01 and 20:03 Let's tribute Kevin Conroy by creating Batman Beyond 2: Neo Gotham Forever, featuring new villains and allies.
I agree with you too I don't like Terry begin a clone of Bruce and Amanda doing what she was planning is crazy losing your parents the trauma puts you on the path to becoming batman no it doesn't there's no telling what might happen she just Assumed that that's what would happen
I watch parts of Batman Beyond and I love it because of the matured writing that is why.
Absolutely agree with your take on Terry being a clone. I always despised it for the same reasons you did. Terry was better off as a random punk with a heart of gold
12:42 honestly I could’ve seen that happening. It’s not uncommon that some shows do this when it comes to romance or like having multiple potential partners and it even happens IRL. Speaking of personal experience where a friend of mine came to me during her “break up” and heard a few stories too similar too.
But wow I haven’t heard half of these and it’s always amazing to see what could have been for Batman Beyond. BB was one of my favorite shows back then and I revisited the show last year and to me it still holds up.
watching the Whole DCAU back to back for the past 2 years, wen you start at Batman and finish at Batman beyond, it’s such a dope feeling the first time through bcuz theirs so many episodes from Batman Superman justice league static shock, justice league unlimited then Batman beyond, it feels like one big ass movie I love it
9:50 I remember seeing it that way when I was first making my way through the episode, but as I watched on, I ended up changing my mind. This is because they make it really clear that you can’t make a Batman, they have to be born without being forced to be. Amanda intended to kill Terry’s parents by hiring Phantasm, but after Phantasm refused, Amanda saw the error of her ways and just let Terry be a normal person. It was still fate that brought Bruce & Terry together, so in the end it could have still been anybody. Even after Terry learns the truth, he still continues to be his own man. It really hit me hard that if you’re going to do these kinds of clone stories, this is the way to do it.
I’d like to see an original story involving Jason Todd AKA Red Hood and what happened to him not just in comics and in the Beyond The White Knight storyline but I would still love a Batman Beyond live action movie or an animated movie with animation styles of Spiderverse
1:40 Same here, I was always unhappy the show didn't explore this more often.
I think some of the unused episodes, for BATMAN BEYOND cartoon show, could be used for a new different version of it.
I imagine the new version being titled, as (BATMAN BEYOND: OF EARTH-63) & I imagine it has new characters in it, and to add show BatWoman-Beyond in it.
I also imagine that a variant of Terry McGinnis, is biologically connected to Richard “Dick” Greyson, Dick has secretly been the 2nd. Batman for many years, after (Bruce Wayne) retired from being Batman.
To add I imagine that (Richard “Dick” Greyson) is a widowed man, who has a daughter that he had a fall out with, and he hasn’t seen his grandkids in a few years.
In addition I imagine that (Bruce Wayne) is dead in Earth-63 realm, he died of a heart-attack at age:90.
Can’t remember if it was Batman :TAS or Batman Beyond. But there was an episode where a gorilla was mutated. Had super intelligence. He was released into the wild, Bruce said to leave him as he was recognizing him as a kindered spirit. The intelligent gorilla was going to fight for apes/jungle creatures against poachers, etc. if it happened in Beyond, we could have seen Terry fighting Ivy and possibly the Intelligent Gorilla(or his kids) stepping in. Who would the Gorilla have sided with.
Also: don’t forget what Barbara told Terry. She told he to go look for Nightwjng. He has some stories to tell. Hoped to see Dick Grayson in that time. Is he still active or did he pass the torch.
Still an all-time classic, I'm surprised we havent't gotten a Batman: Arkham Beyond game especially now after how subpar Gotham Knights was. It's confusing because I've only ever heard people love the series, we are sadly missing Kevin Conroy now......Great video.
Now Terry would fight to save the Animated Multi Verse
I can't wait to see this.
man i love your channel because you always bring up these awesome trivia to the table for DC fans 💙
Thanks bro, I really appreciate the kind words ❤️❤️
I love that Terry and Matt are Bruce’s sons! There must always be a Batman!
That is not why people dont like this ideia. Yes, there must always be a batman, but there must be always someone especific? If so, why bother do something new
Terry is not a genetic clone of Bruce. Waller used CADMUS tech to override the genetics of Terry's "dad" with Bruce's. Terry's mom is still the mom, but Terry's biological father is Bruce Wayne. So...not a clone, but pretty messed up.
I like the suggestion of Superman's son going evil and being Terry's nemesis. That would've been interesting!
Good video! I have one note: in the future, could you check the sound mix? There were several times in this video where your narration was drowned out by the music.
Thank you so much! And you're right the mixing could've been better, my mic recorded my voice a lot lower than usual so I'm gonna try to fix that next time
Great video my brother keep up the great work. I love that show back in my high school days
Thank you brother 🙏🙏🙏 A lot more videos are coming up and I wanna improve with each one
WB not continuing Burton's Batman series with a Beyond movie was such a missed opportunity. Introducing what would be a new take on Batman for casual audiences, whilst being able to bring in familiar characters like Superman and Wonder Woman and new takes on Green Lantern and the Flash. This could have allowed them to develop a fresh take on the DC universe without rehashing the same thing. Bringing Keaton back would've been the icing on the cake. Unfortunately, the Flash movie has ruined any chance of us seeing him in the role ever again.
I would love to see an elderly Riddler attempting to make a comback
What if Gotham forgot all about him and most of of his crimes were attributed to The Joker or some other villain? (He did erase all mention if Nygma from the GCPD in BTAS after all so that could have far-reaching consequences for him)
I can imagine him trying to boast to Terry: "The REAL Batman always struggled to best my intellect, what hope do you have, pretender?"
Maybe he has Terry go through an updated version of his old Minotaur game?
I'm just spitballing here but there's a ton of things he could do
Riddler & Mad Hatter opening up a men’s clothing store is so funny to me
True, but I personally can see this happening for two reasons:
One: both Riddler and Mad Hatter are quite stylish and have a taste for the finer things in life.
Two: Riddler has history being an accountant and mathematical computer genius in Batman media and Jervis, restraining himself from Alice, could help him mentally, as well as physically.🤔🎩💚
9:58 FACTS. Highly agree. When I found out they did that i was so disappointed. It ruins Terry's uniqueness as a character
Man I wish they'd kept with the white collar crime focus. Between white and blue collar crime, white collar crime is by far the more damaging one, and yet less prosecuted.
As much as I would have loved to see Catwoman brought back in Batman Beyond, I like the version that we actually got in Justice League. It was just more interesting, and also. . . I remember how much I liked Talia in the original BTAS as a kid, how much I used to look forward to seeing her episodes come up in syndication, and how disappointed I was when I found out about how Damian came to be. It was like when you hear about an old friend you didn't keep up with turning into a psycho down the line. It would have been really depressing to seeing Catwoman take a similar evil turn in Batman Beyond.
Fun fact, in the EU (at least germany AFAIK) the show was called BATMAN OF THE FUTURE.
That's so cool! And in other regions they did the same, in Latin America and Spain for example the show was called Batman Del Futuro (literally Batman of the future in spanish lol)
We really need to see Batman's villains reformed for good so Batman's overall theme will finally make sense.
loved the mr freeze episode so sad dark and seeing him just filled with guilt and not being angryover the attempted murder on him
In my opinion Terry being a son/clone of Bruce thanks to Amanda Waller meddling around does make sense. If you watch Justice League and Unlimited you’ll find that Supergirl has a clone thanks to her and CADMUS. There’s Ace who was forcefully made to be a super weapon and when she was going to die Waller had a device ready to kill her but Batman purposely didn’t use it. Many high ranking government officials will use their power to get away with all sorts of unethical things. Waller even admits in Epilogue that she couldn’t imagine a world without Batman. Combine that sentiment with a high ranking government official with scientists at her disposal something or someone like Terry would’ve come about. Heck, even in Superman the animated series Luthor made a clone of Superman named Bizarro, but he was a failed clone.
Batman Beyond was always my favorite of the DCAU shows, I would love to see a revival either as a new animated show or movie. All the areas I felt like show could have explored, would be such a long list I would be typing too much for a comment section.
Would love an episode that took place after Hitman, when the college kids go to Noonan’s and learn about Tommy and his crew.
Very insightful and I learned something new today. Thanks man also Batman Beyond movie that takes on the style of into the spider-verse mixed with blade runner would be amazing idea for Batman Beyond movie!
A Spiderverse style Batman Beyond movie would be absolutely insane, and the Lego Batman movie already proved that a big budget animated batman film can be successful at the box office so I'm sure it'd be a hit. I'm glad you enjoyed the video :D
@@SantiBarrioshey question where did you find that concept art for the potential Batman Beyond movie? i looked it up and I can't find it
@@tobiaspegues7318 Sure, I found them from geeksworldwide and other websites that reported on the movie back in 2019
www.batman-online.com/forum/index.php?topic=2430.20
thegww.com/report-warner-bros-developing-animated-batman-beyond-movie-for-theatrical-release/
@@SantiBarrios Thanks man really appreciate it. I know James Gunn said animation is also gonna be a part of DC more in the future here's hoping Batman Beyond makes come back
@@tobiaspegues7318No problem! I've been thinking the same thing ever since James Gunn said that lol. I honestly think that eventually we'll get to see a Batman Beyond movie, it's only a matter of time
I could never see catwoman wanting to clone batman just so he'd obey her.
I would hope these are just "light hearted ideas." First, the idea of all of the villians being reformed (or most of them) is ridiculous.
And then the particulars...
Two-Face getting his license back and being able to practice law? Harley Quinn becoming President of the US?? That's just stupid.
I loved watching this show as a kid the concept the suit everything i loved it all what hooked me on it was how alien everything felt how the villains were not the usual's the city the characters and the darker themes it always had my attention i hate that it was cancelled i really do it just makes me wonder what else they could have done and leaves me craving for more batman beyond stuff in media haha this show definitely cemented Terry and my favourite batman
Personally, I never had a problem with Terry being Bruce's son. I can understand where you're coming from, but I don't think that the implication was that Terry is the chosen one or that only the Wayne line is capable of becoming Batman. The events that led Terry to become Batman sound more like bad luck rather than a chosen one's destiny. Terry is still distinct from Bruce. He has his own identity as Batman instead of treating it the way Bruce did. For Terry, being Batman is his own choice. He could have stopped after dealing with his father's murders, but he didn't. He kept being Batman because he chose that path. But for Bruce, being Batman is his identity. There was never really a choice for him to stop until his body finally couldn't handle it anymore. That's what I thought the main takeaway from Epilogue was. Terry being Bruce's son didn't take away his own distinct identity away from him.
That being said, as much as I would have loved another Batman Beyond movie, I think it was for the best that it didn't work out. Getting to see a future Catwoman would have been interested, but having her being behind making a new Batman just wouldn't make sense. It fits much more with Amanda Waller by comparison and fits in nicely with that season of JLU too. I would love to see more Batman Beyond, but it would be rather sad to not have Kevin Conroy there voicing Bruce. They could just set it far enough into the future where Bruce already passed on, but it would still be sad regardless.
Its good that made ending for villians, not typical "i will return!" Over and over for tv bs.
I wonder how interesting it would be to explore a storyline where Wonder Woman achieves her desires by marrying Batman, similar to the narrative with Justice Lord Batman in the comics in the DCAU. She has a child with Bruce like Kull from the Dark Multiverse comics, and she would be a mother figure to Terry and maybe Matt.
Warner wasted the chance to make an Arkham Asylum-style Batman Beyond game.
It would be never the same without Kevin Conroy though.
Tom Ruegger said that what killed WB animation was Pokemon, WB didn't create Pokemon and just cheaply licensed it to be broadcasted, but it brought monster ratings. After that WB wanted everything cheap for the same ratings. Tom Ruegger is a producer/animator behind such WB animated shows as Tiny Toons, Animaniacs, Pinky And The Brain, Histeria and Freakazoid.
You're right! I've heard about that before and Tom Ruegger did say that on a Reddit AMA, Kids WB getting the rights to air Pokemon for so cheap and its huge success also most very likely had some influence in Batman Beyond (and the rest of WB animation from that time) being cancelled
I disagree with your opinion on the clone thing because Dick is the perfect Batman and he doesn't have Wayne blood, and Damian isn't a good Batman. It doesn't matter if Terry has Wayne DNA or not. He's still Terry and not a Wayne. Waller didn't even kill his dad.
The whole idea of Catwoman cloning Batman and making Terry sounds...VERY out of character for her. Seriously, Catwoman isn't a straight-up supervillain! She's an anti-hero! So what the hell makes her a villain?!
Depends on the world most times she's a villain
@@ijionclifton9148 I dislike her being a villain. To me, she's just a burglar, not Talia Al Ghul.
Red Hood's whole thing is his character arc from anti-hero, back to some one level headed. Who is dealing g with his trauma. I wonder how does that pay off in his old age. Also, I want to see a "Red Hood Beyond" suit.
So valve had the same idea with the whole Mr freeze head
That's funny
Batman Beyond was great and I’m glad it didn’t overstay its welcome. Though I would like to see an animated Batman Beyond film, especially considering how good Return of The Joker was
Thank God we never got to have a live action Batman Beyond movie
Batman Beyond and Beware the Batman are Two Series i think can match well together. Infact i think the Idea of the Batman Creating his Own Team Full of Misfit.
Actually, I want to see a prequel about Bruce starting wearing the tech swit.
I never thought about that! Awesome idea, I'd also would like to see more of Bruce with the beyond suit
@@SantiBarrios Yeah But the Beyond Batsuit is Really For a Younger Man Like a Ironman Suit.
That's something I have wanted to see for years, at one point I thought about writing a fanfiction about that era.
But wasn’t Terry’s dads dna overwritten with Bruce’s dna by Amanda Waller that’s why he’s got black hair
But that’s the thing here… As a kid growing up watching BMB we was too young to noticed of how dark the show was lol as a kid we didn’t care but lived the action part tbh lowkey I wished they did more seasons.