I have seen around 20 comments asking why the dive at 9:52 has been cut out, so I better pin a comment with a response. And honestly, my editor just made a mistake here. While it has some comedic value hyping up the dive and then skipping over it to me saying "that was insane" afterwards, it definitely wasn't intentional lol. Sorry about that, will try to avoid similar mistakes going forward - hope you all enjoyed the video regardless!
To me Bel'veth very much feels like a feast or famine champion, but in this case the feast and famine relies on early macro because the most reliable source of coral early on is from Herald and Drake. If the enemy pressures really hard and Bel'veth can't get any coral, she's not really a threat at all. Bel'veth is also really predictable since Herald is such a huge priority for her, she's almost guaranteed to gank top around Herald spawn and I've seen teams send 4 people top lane around herald and just snuff out her entire game plan. The whole champ design is just strange and a bit flawed imo. Relying so much on objectives for coral when objectives is how the game is won, it makes the champ feel like she's only good when the team is ahead and already winning.
all you said is well said and applies to higher elos, but in lower elos where most people dont know how to play the game he 1v9s every single game, which is why i think she needs to get nerfed because most people play in lower elos.
@@zezanje1 Balancing around the bottom of the game is how you end up with Dead by Daylight. Or Siege nerfing shield operators, Valkyrie outdoor cameras and screaming about Caviera.
@@nebiros_at9473 i dont play dead by daylight or siege but balancing so that a champ is not pick or ban with 60%wr in elos whwre 95%of the playerbase plays should be riots priority sonce pro players wont die if they cant play 1 champ, and it would make low elo much more fun to play dont you think?
Thanks for all your job but why at 10.08 you did skip your dive and just after show broxah saying that was very well played? We wanted to see as well aha
The only thing about Belveth i noticed was the 70% damage reductionn she has, even though they nerfed yi for having that same stat. That's my only thought about that. lol
bel is broken when fed and if she has a good peel, super broken in low elo cuz they're just bad and most of their games go to late game , but in higher elo games where some games end before bel veth is full build and fed , and they can kite her
dam i fucking love elise but i legit cannot close out games on her for the life of me. btw at 20:46 Does the tower prioritize your spiderlings as bc they are like minions ??
saying she is broken isnt strange or wrong. its a matter of stats. belveth has a 56.2% wr at the end of patch 12.11, if that isnt broken idk what to say. like if a champ isnt optimized and has barely been out and has a 56% wr with lots of games, calling that broken isnt strange
Only counterplay to bel'Veth is dumpster her in her own jungle, hard cc chain or picking rammus. Neither of that can be expected in low elo, so it's pretty much one gated game when any team has bel'veth. Plus her splitpush power is stupidly strong given that she has no attack speed cap and when she kills minions they turn into voidlings. In short: if she snowballs and you don't have rammus or hard cc comp - you can surrender
Another champ people didn't know what to do at first was Yone. Everyone thought he was not good, but nowadays a good Yone player is so fun to play with and against. P.S. Naut good play but decided not to show it...
3:00 well she can solo Baron with 3 items staying on full health and even getting her r buff after it.. No discussion that people still need to figure her out to determine where she is in the long run, but being able to do that seems pretty nerfable to me
ye but broxah wouldnt think of that because she wont be able to solo baron in any rank past gold without anyone noticing, that is why she has 56% wr in lower elos an 45% in higher elos. people understand how to counter her and its really clear, but when players dont understand all those things and all they know how to do is farm and kill eachother until 20 and then group mid, she becomes a bit of a problem, also her e is ridiculous and should just get reworked imo. also champs that do too much true dmg are just annoying to deal with.
@@zezanje1 Sure but it still reminds me a bit of the Sunfire Amumu incident..^^ About her E actually the strongest counter against that is Teemo Q. ik ik not an high elo (or any elo) champ as well but still something that caught me off guard pretty hard when i first experienced it on her. Also when i am talking about broken stuff i mean gold or lower cause that is where the majority of the players is, if it was broken for high elo or pro play i would have specidied that, but i might have been unclear on that..
@@jamalsonicova2509 no i understand that you meant that you were talking about low elo, but im saying that these challenger players dont look at the big picture. all they think is high elo because they have been there forever, but like 95% of the playerbase is below plat 3 so if a champ has close to 60% winrate in those elos while being pick or ban, the champ needs to get hit with nerfs really hard, which riot didn't do, instead they did some minor nerfs like health regen nerf for a fucking jungler that has build in lifesteal in her kit anyways, while buffing her to be more viable in higher elos and we end up with a champ that has 56% wr in every rank from iron to challenger peaking in both iron and challenger at 60% :/
i experienced playing vs her yesterday for the 1st time and like she was 2 items bork and kraken and i was wukong with tabi trinity dd and maw and i died the second she turned on e because she healed to full hp and 1 tapped me with it dealing 50-60% true dmg which was llike almost 2khp in 1 ability that makes her heal to full hp every cast.
@@zezanje1 I dont think it has to do with his elo nobody can always consioder everything and of course he has a little different perspective when he is used to meet a different type of player experience but that doesn neccessarily mean that he doesn't try top see the whole picture maybe sopmetimes people just dont know certrain things (yet)... I also don't think that she is completeley broken after the first nerfs - yes when she was released but that is true for almost every champ - now she is pretty much get fed or be useless like every other hyper carry.. I just think there are some things on her that need to be fixed
Riot decided she should be nerfed because they've made their skin and champion purchase money already after releasing her in a broken super strong state. They always do this. It's not about stats or anything. It's all about money.
Tbh I think you stayed repelled to long on that one that caused Camille to die and you said she ran it down when you couldve dropped sooner and both of you kill but I could be wrong.
I watch your lee sin and everyother video, but especially lee sin. And I try to play it on G4 I have 230k Mastery and know most combos and can usethem to max out dps or make plays, yet I can't seem to find myself having a good wr and no matter how ahead I can bring my team even with a 4k Gold lead or 5k we loose lvl 13 upwards the game. I really want to change and improve I am trying my best but I just can't seem to carry. Any advice anyone?
I've hated Bel'veth because she has caused such a massive shift in roles. Like there are so many people trying to Jungle when they don't know anything and other roles are becoming autofill centric so it's at least 2 roles that might be less knowledgeable
Yes man, The lowest winrate Bel'veth has as of writing this comment is 51.96% in platinum on the 12.12 patch after getting NERFED. Weak champion indeed.
@@saynsasaym4636 Exactly, And I am not sure in what context you meant this comment in? when I made this comment a month ago, That was her lowest winrate point, She had 55-56 something % winrate in masters and grandmaster. And oh incase you did not pick up on it, The comment was satire, The champion was omega overtuned.
I have seen around 20 comments asking why the dive at 9:52 has been cut out, so I better pin a comment with a response. And honestly, my editor just made a mistake here. While it has some comedic value hyping up the dive and then skipping over it to me saying "that was insane" afterwards, it definitely wasn't intentional lol. Sorry about that, will try to avoid similar mistakes going forward - hope you all enjoyed the video regardless!
that ok, we always taking fun. Look your video is like taste the best tea and admire the carnage and said "git gud, jg gap, papa Broxah"
At least it definitely was a play 🙌🏼🙃
It was actually pretty funny lol
Lmao the best part gets cut that's wild.
To me Bel'veth very much feels like a feast or famine champion, but in this case the feast and famine relies on early macro because the most reliable source of coral early on is from Herald and Drake. If the enemy pressures really hard and Bel'veth can't get any coral, she's not really a threat at all. Bel'veth is also really predictable since Herald is such a huge priority for her, she's almost guaranteed to gank top around Herald spawn and I've seen teams send 4 people top lane around herald and just snuff out her entire game plan. The whole champ design is just strange and a bit flawed imo. Relying so much on objectives for coral when objectives is how the game is won, it makes the champ feel like she's only good when the team is ahead and already winning.
I completely agree with you, well said!
all you said is well said and applies to higher elos, but in lower elos where most people dont know how to play the game he 1v9s every single game, which is why i think she needs to get nerfed because most people play in lower elos.
@@zezanje1 Balancing around the bottom of the game is how you end up with Dead by Daylight. Or Siege nerfing shield operators, Valkyrie outdoor cameras and screaming about Caviera.
@@nebiros_at9473 i dont play dead by daylight or siege but balancing so that a champ is not pick or ban with 60%wr in elos whwre 95%of the playerbase plays should be riots priority sonce pro players wont die if they cant play 1 champ, and it would make low elo much more fun to play dont you think?
I've never seen such clean teamfighting from an elise before. being useful on elise past 20 minutes is so difficult but mr broxah can pull it off
@Broxah 9:58 the dive on bot was cut out, Sadge
"That was insane." Thanks mr editor
lol broxah talking about how awesome the bit dive was but we never got to see it 😔
Oh lol, this is definitely a big oopsie. Will forward this to the editor and we'll try to make sure similar mistakes won't happen again!
The timing was weirdly comedic, he's like "if we can get this it'll be insane." * cuts to next scene * "that was insane." 🤣
@@fredxu99 Could be it was done intentional with the comedic effect as its purpose 😂
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Video is really well edited, the flow of the game is so smooth. And the little dive mishap actually turned out to be pretty funny lol
Even the new adc champ on pbe, no one knows how good it is.
Thanks for one more video ;) 41 years old player here, playing since season 1. Old times.
Those games were awesome, definitely inspiring me to try Elise!
Man so happy I found this guy. Thanks NEACE!
Legendary ex pro, has some amazing performances in his professional career you should check out when you can
this man made me love jg, and main elise
Omg i looove your elise gameplay bro. Like nobody plays her. You play so clean!
Gotta like the videos before it's even a second in. I find myself doing that for all your videos 😅
love ur calm mindset
9:56 who cuts turret dive out?
Editor made a mistake, pls forgive :(
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Not showing the play at 10:00 really bothered me
Yo broxah, would love to see graves gameplay again!
hey broxah can you do a video on zac jungle?
9:56 why would you skip the good part, editor?
Nothing like editing out a "Really insane play".
10:00
Mr Broxah!! Just in time
lol uh what happened between 09:56 - 09:58 why did you remove the play from the video??
Wow that was fun!
Thanks for all your job but why at 10.08 you did skip your dive and just after show broxah saying that was very well played? We wanted to see as well aha
The only thing about Belveth i noticed was the 70% damage reductionn she has, even though they nerfed yi for having that same stat. That's my only thought about that. lol
She's op bc of that. Make it 50% and she'll be more balanced since the most common builds are glass cannons.
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bel is broken when fed and if she has a good peel, super broken in low elo cuz they're just bad and most of their games go to late game , but in higher elo games where some games end before bel veth is full build and fed , and they can kite her
dam i fucking love elise but i legit cannot close out games on her for the life of me.
btw at 20:46 Does the tower prioritize your spiderlings as bc they are like minions ??
saying she is broken isnt strange or wrong. its a matter of stats. belveth has a 56.2% wr at the end of patch 12.11, if that isnt broken idk what to say. like if a champ isnt optimized and has barely been out and has a 56% wr with lots of games, calling that broken isnt strange
nice vid keep it up you are doiing a great job
I personally enjoy your voice so much. lol
I enjoyed this! I love watching Elise, but i feel like she doesn't get played that much. And I still haven't gotten the hang of her.
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Man please more vids :(
Unfortunately the Gank at 10:00 got cut Out of the vid @broxah
Perfect.
Only counterplay to bel'Veth is dumpster her in her own jungle, hard cc chain or picking rammus. Neither of that can be expected in low elo, so it's pretty much one gated game when any team has bel'veth. Plus her splitpush power is stupidly strong given that she has no attack speed cap and when she kills minions they turn into voidlings. In short: if she snowballs and you don't have rammus or hard cc comp - you can surrender
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Can you please ever play elise with Press the attack and nashors tooth, it might sound troll but its actually good.
Draven made the best of a bad situation...meanwhile, Camille made the worst of a great situation 😂
What a game, this guy is the bollocks .
I saw a broxah new upload and I immediately clicked
Another champ people didn't know what to do at first was Yone. Everyone thought he was not good, but nowadays a good Yone player is so fun to play with and against.
P.S. Naut good play but decided not to show it...
I'm actually curious why you think a good yone player is fun to play against.
Having Elise as your comfort pick would be nice lol
9:55 lol why would you cut that dive
I haven't had an issue with bel veth. Tho I've had several games were other ppl feed her and then she is a nightmare
Can you be called Mr. Spiderman now?
9:55 wtf editing
I tried your udyr build bro 2/2 rounds an S :D keep going
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9:55 why not show it then?
i guess they decided Bel'Veth was a bit too dominant in lower elo games, cause her banrate was 50%+
I see mr renekton is enjoying his weakside gaming experience
3:00
well she can solo Baron with 3 items staying on full health and even getting her r buff after it.. No discussion that people still need to figure her out to determine where she is in the long run, but being able to do that seems pretty nerfable to me
ye but broxah wouldnt think of that because she wont be able to solo baron in any rank past gold without anyone noticing, that is why she has 56% wr in lower elos an 45% in higher elos. people understand how to counter her and its really clear, but when players dont understand all those things and all they know how to do is farm and kill eachother until 20 and then group mid, she becomes a bit of a problem, also her e is ridiculous and should just get reworked imo. also champs that do too much true dmg are just annoying to deal with.
@@zezanje1 Sure but it still reminds me a bit of the Sunfire Amumu incident..^^
About her E actually the strongest counter against that is Teemo Q. ik ik not an high elo (or any elo) champ as well but still something that caught me off guard pretty hard when i first experienced it on her.
Also when i am talking about broken stuff i mean gold or lower cause that is where the majority of the players is, if it was broken for high elo or pro play i would have specidied that, but i might have been unclear on that..
@@jamalsonicova2509 no i understand that you meant that you were talking about low elo, but im saying that these challenger players dont look at the big picture. all they think is high elo because they have been there forever, but like 95% of the playerbase is below plat 3 so if a champ has close to 60% winrate in those elos while being pick or ban, the champ needs to get hit with nerfs really hard, which riot didn't do, instead they did some minor nerfs like health regen nerf for a fucking jungler that has build in lifesteal in her kit anyways, while buffing her to be more viable in higher elos and we end up with a champ that has 56% wr in every rank from iron to challenger peaking in both iron and challenger at 60% :/
i experienced playing vs her yesterday for the 1st time and like she was 2 items bork and kraken and i was wukong with tabi trinity dd and maw and i died the second she turned on e because she healed to full hp and 1 tapped me with it dealing 50-60% true dmg which was llike almost 2khp in 1 ability that makes her heal to full hp every cast.
@@zezanje1 I dont think it has to do with his elo nobody can always consioder everything and of course he has a little different perspective when he is used to meet a different type of player experience but that doesn neccessarily mean that he doesn't try top see the whole picture maybe sopmetimes people just dont know certrain things (yet)...
I also don't think that she is completeley broken after the first nerfs - yes when she was released but that is true for almost every champ - now she is pretty much get fed or be useless like every other hyper carry..
I just think there are some things on her that need to be fixed
that jhins name in the second game a bit sus tho
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Riot decided she should be nerfed because they've made their skin and champion purchase money already after releasing her in a broken super strong state. They always do this. It's not about stats or anything. It's all about money.
Why stop the clip before the fight and then continue after? And then say it was a nice play :( i wanted to see man
Tbh I think you stayed repelled to long on that one that caused Camille to die and you said she ran it down when you couldve dropped sooner and both of you kill but I could be wrong.
I watch your lee sin and everyother video, but especially lee sin. And I try to play it on G4 I have 230k Mastery and know most combos and can usethem to max out dps or make plays, yet I can't seem to find myself having a good wr and no matter how ahead I can bring my team even with a 4k Gold lead or 5k we loose lvl 13 upwards the game. I really want to change and improve I am trying my best but I just can't seem to carry. Any advice anyone?
Dieing to much Bedford the lvl 13? Focussing to much on ganking or farming? Objective control?
Lee Sin is terrible atm
Bel'Veth feels nice not strong not weak straight forward doesnt need a nerf
if that kha took electrocute instead of first strike you wouldve died i dont understand the first strike thing for econ just take treasure hunter
you just trolled at 9:18 mr.broxah
I've hated Bel'veth because she has caused such a massive shift in roles. Like there are so many people trying to Jungle when they don't know anything and other roles are becoming autofill centric so it's at least 2 roles that might be less knowledgeable
nothing to do with belveth - happened with viego too
Yes man, The lowest winrate Bel'veth has as of writing this comment is 51.96% in platinum on the 12.12 patch after getting NERFED. Weak champion indeed.
Plat is super low elo.
@@saynsasaym4636 Exactly, And I am not sure in what context you meant this comment in? when I made this comment a month ago, That was her lowest winrate point, She had 55-56 something % winrate in masters and grandmaster. And oh incase you did not pick up on it, The comment was satire, The champion was omega overtuned.
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